RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 49 Ep 3

Episode Date: October 11, 2025

Why ___ Lost: Survivor 49 Ep 3 Jake was taken out by a snake! While that’s not uncommon on Survivor, it’s usually a metaphor! Meanwhile Jeremiah was not in as good a spot as he thought he was, even before Jake was gone. How did each of them do in the lead-up to getting taken […]

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If you're a survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You're playing yourself and got those. this is why blank lost this is why blank lost oh baby this is why blank lost welcome back to the 10th anniversary season

of why blank loss i'm david blamberg and i always warn players to be wary of snakes survivor. But those have been metaphorical until now. Now, those of you on video will notice that the woman sitting next to me is not a regular co-host, Jessica Lewis. An unexpected situation came up that may or may not have involved a snakebite. I can't say. But joining me is returning special guest, Lindsay Carmine. Hi. Thank you for that wonderful introduction. Congratulations on 10 years. I can't believe it's been 10 years. years of Y Blank Loss, 10 years of me listening to Y Blank Loss, which is really exciting.

Yeah, I can't, I mean, I can't believe it either. You know, when the date came up, I was like 10 years, really? I know. I know. So we've got to, we've got to celebrate this season. Yes. Yes. Let's celebrate tonight with a double elimination podcast.

A very weird double elimination podcast. Now, speaking of celebrating, if anybody, I've, I've mentioned this before. If anyone did not yet see the 10th anniversary special with me and Jessica and Rob, that was a few weeks ago. You can still find that on podcast or video. But getting back to this week, I have to say, I really did not think Jake would be medevac.

I thought it was such an obvious red herring when I saw the preview last week. I didn't even bring it up in predictions. I ignored it in predictions. And really? Yeah, I mean, now I feel a little bad that I made fun of him last week for all of his shoe bandit stuff, although just a little bad because, you know, he ends up okay. And I still stand by saying the shoe bandit stuff was dumb. So we may talk more about that later. I would love to.

I would actually love to talk about the shoe bandit. But, yeah, I had a feeling they were going to met a vacuum. him. I don't think they would have made as big of a deal. But, you know, when I was watching the episode, can we talk about the bite right now? Is that okay? I sure, sure. Okay. I didn't think it was serious enough. The second they said, a dry bite, I was like, put him back in the game. And I'm curious to know, and I'm not sure if, like, you heard it in his exit interview how much of a decision he, how much he got to help make a decision. as to whether he could be pulled out or not, zero.

No, zero. And, yeah, I think the main problem, which we heard from Jeff's podcast and then further interviews from Dalton and Mike of Jeff, the main problem was they couldn't be sure. You know, they didn't know. It was probably a dry bite at that point, you know, that they knew. But what if it was injected a little bit? And it would take longer to, you know, to work its way through his muscles.

And, and, you know, plus, as Jeff pointed out, and as the doctor pointed out, he'd been out there for over five days of no food, bad sleep, little water. It's almost like you shouldn't make a disaster tribe every, every survivor. And so those things all contributed to his state. plus on top of that he they pumped him full of fluids you know that was one thing they were doing and jeff pointed out that's not really fair if he was in good enough condition to go it would have been because they pumped him full of fluids that none of the other players had right i mean i think everybody can agree that a lot of those players if they had got to choose whether he could come back into the game or not They're not going to necessarily look at that as like, you know, an advantage. They just want him to be able to play. And I'm a registered nurse. I've been a nurse for almost two decades now.

Like the logical side, it makes total sense to pull him from the game. But when you think about how long people wait to get on the show and then go through casting and even having to deal with the emotional turmoil of like leaving your wife and not knowing if she's going to be able to deliver safely you make a lot of sacrifices and and for him to have to go out like that it sucks um so of course a lot of us a lot of the alumni we just kept shaking our heads because we're like i can't believe he allowed them to pull him out i can't believe he didn't fight harder and and looking back i feel really bad because i know what the right decision would have been and i actually got to listen to omers um know-at-alls and i just found his

insight and the input that he gave us, you know, I think it helps everybody understand. From what I understand about why they had to take him to Australia was because they didn't have any anti-venom in Fiji and they weren't, they didn't know how to handle a bite like that. And so I'm curious if they had had anti-venom and if they had known how to handle a bite like that, would the outcome have been different. But there's nothing we can do about it now. I mean, I suspect not.

I suspect just his overall condition. And I have a bit of a personal story here. It doesn't involve a snake bite. But, you know, I didn't necessarily plan on discussing it. Didn't, you know, I often don't discuss personal stories here. But when, you know, one thing that they talked about was Jake's mindset. You know, I mean, he had been told he was bitten by like one of the most venomous snakes. out there. And so I'm, you know, he kept saying, I, my baby's about to be born. I've got to

live. I, you know, and so I, I often joke about Big Brother 22 having sent me to the hospital. Because at the end of Big Brother 22, I ended up in the hospital for 10 days. Now, the condition that got me there was initially misdiagnosed by the doctor who was speaking to me. And he said to me, and I don't remember the name of the blood cancer that he mentioned. I don't know if you know blood cancer types off the top of your head. Like leukemia? It wasn't leukemia. It was something else.

But he said, I'll just, you know, he said, looking at the information he had, his words to me were, well, you know, some of these cancers are treatable. This was his way of encouraging me. This was his way of dropping a massive bomb on me. Okay. And so, you know, obviously my kids were much older.

I wasn't waiting for them to be born. But one of them was just graduating college. He had literally just a few weeks ago gotten what we thought was going to be a really great job for him, you know, we were making plans on where we were going to move in retirement. And all of that just immediately came crashing down when he said. And so I kind of know the mental headspace of Jake, because I was there for like three days before the tests came back and said, oh, no, that's not what you have. So I, you know, even after that, if I had been I was in no mental position to, you know, go do anything.

So, so like I said, I somewhat understand, you know, what even where he was physiologically, but also emotionally and mentally. And I've already seen some people, I'm just going to call it like I see it, some jerks out there being like, ah, he's just, he's weak, you know, these weak. players they you know man up and go back out there you know these these these basically these kids these days you know they're raised weak and and you know so what you know it turned out to be a dry by he could just go back out there and i i want to say to them you go get bitten by a snake right old it's like the most venomous one of the most venomous in the world and see what your mind says right um

was that on the facebook group chats it was in yes it was in one of them that you're in. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Look, people can judge all they want. We have no idea what was going through his head. And I'm sure when you feel like your life flashes before your eyes, you start to prioritize what's important in your life. And, you know, you heard him say, I've got a kid on the way.

I've got a kid on the way. Sorry, go ahead. I was just going to say, even so. I mean, he still had no choice. in the matter. You know, again, it was, it was the doctor and Jeff who made this, mostly the doctor, but, or at least Jeff made sure the doctor took the blame. But it was, it was, you know, most, it was, it was a medical decision. But even if it hadn't been, I don't think he was in any position to go back out. Again, it's just so hard going through casting and, and, and everything that

goes into playing and then to have it ripped out from underneath you. So the logical decision is obviously to pull him from the game. It doesn't make sense to put him back in. So yeah, it just makes me sad. But I'm glad he got to be there for the birth of the baby. Right. Yeah. So that, you know, that part was good anyway.

Absolutely. So, yeah. So, yeah, even though Jake was taken out as a medevac, we will still discuss his game and how he played up to that point, along with, of course, Jeremiah. Remember him? Even though this was a rather odd double elimination episode, we'll still follow the same path as usual by comparing how they played to a set of guiding rules for winning I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. We use all of the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV,

interviews, which we've already talked about, social media, which we've already talked about, and secret scenes. The newest published version of the rules can be found by going to Rob has a website.com slash YXLostFeed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules. But before we get to all of that, now you've already talked a bit about, you know, your thoughts on what happened, but I know you were in New York for the live show on Wednesday. And, you know, just wanted to catch up with you. How have you been doing since we saw you last season?

I've been doing great. I found out that I have a gluten intolerance so I've been managing that all summer and I spent a lot of time at sleepaway camp working at the health center there and I think you should just left it that you spent a lot of time at sleepaway camp and let people you get to you go to camp still you know I do I do it's super fun so yeah I just got back from a 20 person family vacation at the beach last week and or celebrate my son's birthday next week. So, yeah, we got a lot going on. How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. It's, you know, I mentioned my son who I, at that time, I thought had gotten a great job.

It turned out to be a not so great job. So he switched to a much better job, but, you know, visited him. And that's why I wasn't able to be in New York. And so. We missed you. It was a good time. So we had a great turnout. out, you know, every two seconds you hear somebody saying hi, and it's just another alumni.

So just wonderful turnout. The fans were absolutely incredible. And it's just nice to be able to talk to people that love the game as much as I do. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, before we do move on to Jeremiah and Jake in terms of the rules, we have some other in-game things to discuss. And so there were some things.

We've already talked about, you know, the snake bite and that. aspect of things. But moving on to some other things that happened in the episode, we saw not one, but two people finding beware advantages. And both were during group idol hunts. But they handled them very differently. MC found hers and hid it in her underwear because she realized she wasn't wearing pants. Now, this brings up something I think we discussed in our special 10th anniversary podcast, if I remember correctly, if I'm remembering when things came up. which is that one part of my Rule 7 talks about picking out clothes you can use to hide stuff in. And yes, I know that technically production picks out your clothes,

but if you send them all stuff that you could use to hide things in, they got to pick something or else they're buying you new clothes. I don't know. So MC was at least lucky she had a loose hanging shirt she could use to cover where she hid the advantage. But more importantly than all that, She only told her closest ally Stephen. Did I lose you?

No, I'm sorry. What did you say? I'm so sorry. I was just talking about how she only told Stephen and not the rest of the tribe. I'm sorry. I thought you were saying something afterwards. So I thought you were comparing the two. I'm like, yeah.

I will. I will. I don't know if you had anything to add for. I mean, I'm not a big fan of sharing information yet. And we can talk about it when we talk about, you know, Alex, Sof, Jake, and Jeremiah and their idol finding. But I just feel like that's information that you need to hold close to your chest. And we kind of talked about it at the live show about. why people feel the need to share information and share idols. And different players had different opinions. You know, I thought Tiffany had a great, honest input, which was sometimes you just get scared

out there and you start to get nervous and your emotions overtake you and you just need somebody that you can confide in and that will kind of ground you and might help you make sense of things when you aren't thinking straight out there. and I thought that was a really great way to put it. I wouldn't know because I've never found anything out there, but I have to imagine that's probably how I would feel if

I found one. Yeah, I mean, I can understand MC telling her closest ally. I would prefer she didn't tell anyone, but I think she's looking to make a break from this four person group that she's in.

And so I can understand her wanting to forge a tighter bond just with Steven, so maybe she can, you know, pull him away from that Matt group. But, you know, comparatively, on the other tribe, Rizzo found it, and immediately told everyone. And I think it was because it was a group, Idle hunt. And I think there was otherwise a risk of getting caught trying to hide it while other people were around him. Now, he said all the right things, of course, like, oh, this is for the tribe. but then he privately told us oh no it's it's for me but are we surprised i mean how many different

people say it's for the tribe and then go back in a confessional and they're like it's mine so i mean i'm not right i'm not surprised by that but didn't was it alex who told annie about an advantage Alex who told oh yeah Alex i mean everybody on that tribe knew that was right but I felt like, you know, he kind of did something similar, which was he was trying to talk to somebody that wasn't in his alliance, too, not necessarily set, like to break away from his alliance, but for him to be able to say, I have options. I really, I still don't know why he told Annie because he knew Annie was going. Right. The only thing I can think of was it was part of making Annie comfortable, which was his mission. Uh, you know, and so to tell her, I have this idol.

if I have any hint that there's a problem, I will play it. Then what that tells her is, don't bother playing your shot in the dark. Right. So that's the only reason I can think that he did it. Yeah, over there,

that turned into a huge mess because everybody ended up finding out. But, I mean, as it turns out, he would have needed at least one person, just because, you know,

and I think that's, we discussed it a little bit, I think last week, that Jeff and Producton know that there are people like us out there yelling to the hilltops, keep it a secret, don't tell anyone. And Jeff's like, ha-ha, try to keep this ball and chain a secret, you know? I would have been so mad. I mean, that thing was so loud. And I think my favorite was as they're walking through the woods, you can kind of see Jake in the background. he's got it like wrapped around his neck and yeah yeah so we'll see if it's similarly a ball and chain for the other two eventually or if it's something i gotta think it's something similar it has to be fair

at least you know equal right so but getting back to uh risgod's tribe there we also saw Nate talking about how sage and joan were on the outs and then sage and joan talking to each other about how they weren't sure where they stood. Sage, if you're six days in and you're saying you haven't heard anyone's name and wondering about that, yeah, that's a problem. If nobody is talking to you, they're talking about you. Right. I'm wondering, are they talking strategy and we're just not saying it again?

Or is it a case of the kumbaya's. And she just doesn't think now's the time to start talking strategy. But you have to start to stop talking strategy immediately because everyone else is doing it. Right. Exactly. And it doesn't seem like she really has been. Now, to her credit, she decided to address the situation. Unfortunately, she went about it in completely the wrong way. Rather than trying to make inroads, she threw someone else under the bus and talked about Savannah to Savannah's closest ally. Yeah.

I mean, like I said, you don't want to do that out there. But people not only talk strategy, they talk about you to other people when you're not talking strategy. So you might as well do it. You might as well talk strategy with each person out there. I couldn't understand why she threw Savannah under the bus. I think they'd be great together. I think all three women would make a great alliance.

Yeah, I mean, Savannah seemed very surprised when Shannon told her that, you know, saying, saying, oh, I thought we were good. Now, while she said, I thought we were good, she was also planning to vote her out if that happened to come up. But, you know, so I do think that she, uh, she jumped ahead. head in the line if this tribe stays together. You know, she jumped in front of Joanne, possibly saving him, which is good. Just

Joanne is my pregame winner pick. So, you know, I mean, I like Sage too. But I got a route for my pregame winner pick above all else. Yeah. And if the team were, if the tribe were to stay together and she might be the

first on the chopping block, but I think that, you know, the tribe mix up, switch up next week could change everything for her. You know, it could really change your game, especially if her and Sophie end up on the same tribe. Yeah. Yeah.

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Eligibility restrictions apply. See golden nuggettcasino.com for details. Please play responsibly. All right, well, there were, of course, some other things going on that I will be talking about either on TikTok or YouTube. Unless you have anything else or anyone else, you want to discuss before we move on to the rules. No. I don't think so. At least not yet. I was getting a lot of Justine from my season vibes with Savannah. And I mean that in the most loving way ever. I love Justine. So I'm really enjoying seeing Savannah on my screen. But yeah. Yeah, the rest we'll talk about when we go over the rules. Yes. So before we quite get to that, I do want to mention the rules that we are about to discuss. come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form.

You can go to rob has website.com slash yxlost feed, scroll down to the poster, click on it, and order it. In addition to the poster, you can also get that design in t-shirt form, so you can always have them on you, literally and figuratively. And then you can also get the checklist version of the rules as a t-shirt, if you'd like. So again, that's rob has a website.com slash why, X lost feed. You know, we need like a 10-year anniversary.

Y blank lost merch. I thought about that. Just saying. But yeah, I don't know. I'll have to talk to the merch people there, too. You know, to see if that is a thing. But I think they try to keep the store fairly compact. So there used to be a time at their old store where, yeah.

I was going to say, last time I went, there seemed to be a lot of stuff. But if you just did like an all black mug and put like the rap logo on one side and why I blank lost 10 years, I don't know, just same. Okay. I like the idea personally. So. I do too. All right. Let's get to the rules.

Yes. Well, Jake was taken out by a snake. While that's not uncommon on Survivor, we usually don't mean it literally. And Jeremiah was not in as good a spot as he thought he was, even before Jake was gone. How did each of them do in the lead-up to getting taken out? And what would likely have happened this week if Jake had stuck around? At RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why Jeremiah and Jake lost. The first and most important rule is, of course, to scheme and plot.

We've talked about the pregame alliances for the first two weeks of this season. And for anyone who may have missed those, the quick recap is that Jake and Alex mutually wanted to work with each other in pregame. game Ponderosa, Sophie wanted to wrap Jake the Meat Shield around her little finger, and Jeremiah knew Sophie would be his ride or die just by looking at her. So we saw those four get together right away, meaning Nicole and Annie were pretty much screwed. And indeed, Jeremiah confirmed all of that in telling Gordon Holmes that they knew coming in they needed to create a four-person alliance. Quote, so that four is created within minutes. And then the two people who are on the

outs are always going to be on the outs. The fourth person is always going to be the fourth person. What Jeremiah didn't say, and frankly, I still don't think he realizes, is he was the fourth person, which is, you know, why Jessica and I both predicted he would be voted out this week, though, of course, the actual situation was a little bit different. Yeah, I mean, I think he would have definitely. been voted out regardless of what it happened because we definitely know that

Jake said over and over and over again that Alex was his bro and that it was his number one. He was his number one with, you know, I think he, a couple times he said I'm they're both my number one but

yes. Yeah and we I mean he should Jeremiah should have known this because he commented on the show about how he was the last among the alliance to know about Alec his idol. And frankly, I mean, he probably didn't know this, but he never would have known if he hadn't happened to stumble on them in the jungle. And yet, he still told Mike Bloom, I know Sophie is a player and she can use her words really well. And because I knew that she had

Jake wrapped around her finger, part of me strongly thinks that she would have been able to convince Jake to vote Alex out. I'm sorry, Jeremiah, that is a really bad read. I had a whole list of things that I was going to go through to note, these are reasons why it was a bad read. But then Jake did his interview with Rob and flat out said, they always knew Jeremiah was going. So I don't even need to, you know, try and infer it using all this other. He set it out right. They always planned on Jeremiah being the number four. So even if Jake had not been bitten by a snake, Jeremiah was getting voted out next.

He just had a complete misread of that situation. yeah now when he said that he thought that he would have been able to convince sophie to i mean he would have been able to convince um jake to vote out Alex was he saying like further down the line or he was saying should if the four of them had gone to tribal that night he was saying the four of them that night yeah you know i yeah Alex wasn't going anywhere no no no And, but that was perhaps not the worst misread that Jeremiah had because a big one was his use of astrology as a tactic. As my friend Rachel Darwin said on Blue Sky, I do think his whole astrology thing was a big part of his loss, deciding to engage with Alex based on pseudoscience instead of reality. And she's exactly right.

We saw him decide how to deal with Alex before tribal council. according to what his sign was. And based on what Alex said in that conversation, Jeremiah had clearly mentioned it before, which meant Alex knew Jeremiah believed he couldn't make a decision. Now, I don't know if Alex used that information to help keep Jeremiah in the dark or play him in other ways.

I sure would have. Because if you base your arguments on BS instead of actually just dealing with the person in front of you, you're not going to be able to really talk to them. And what he specifically said was, because Alex is a Libra, I'm trying to be as neutral as possible so he won't play his idol.

I know that works best with Libra's. Not a lot of pressure, not a lot of confrontation. But that was not the way to handle this situation at all. When Alex talked about the possibility that Sophie might not be loyal, Jeremiah needed to jump on that, push that idea, saying, well, She might not be loyal, but of course, I would.

But his belief in the astrology stopped him from doing that or from what we saw making really much of any argument in his own favor. And I know it was edited. But he specifically told us his plan was to avoid saying anything that basically had the potential to help him. Yeah. Do I know, you know, sorry. No, you're fine. I mean, I just want to say this before, you know, people jump in and say, well, it wouldn't have mattered anyway. Yeah, it might not have, you know, but because we already discussed how he was the fourth in that alliance.

But he also told Dalton Ross that he felt he had, they had a strong friendship while not being really aligned strategically. And in fact, never talking strategy one on one with Alex prior to that. I, I don't know how he could be aware. of that and still decide to just let it be and not really push it could not have hurt to you know try a little no I hear you on that

I'm a firm believer that anything's possible in the game of Survivor and it's because we've seen almost anything happen in terms of you know we think the vote's going to go one way and that there's no way somebody's going to be willing to flip the vote

and all it takes is like one conversation from someone. All it takes is the right person saying the right thing at the right time. And this is why I firmly believe that a longer game is better for the game of Survivor, because when you have so much more time in between tribals and challenges, you have more opportunities to have those conversations. You know, you see how quickly people will change a vote. When people are scrambling on an island, we see it a lot during a merge vote. So I just, think it could have happened, but I honestly think Alex never trusted Jeremiah to begin with. And so it was a long shot. I think Sophie knew that that Alex was going to take her

because he, she knew that he trusted her more because Jake trusted her more too. Right. And I think, you know, the one thing that, um, that Alex kept saying, was I've got to think about my long game and who I can trust more. Yes. And he was clearly always going to trust Sophia over Jeremiah. Could trust have been built eventually? Yes. But it wasn't anywhere close to where it needed to be in order for Alex to be able to switch his vote from, you know, Jeremiah to himself.

Yeah. I mean, all we have to do also, I mean, like you said, was it likely? No. But he says the right thing triggers the right thought and maybe it switches. But he believed, and that's all it was, was a bad belief that this was the way to handle him because he happened to be born at a certain time of year. He knew nothing about Alex. Like he was saying people like Alex don't like a lot of pressure or confrontation. This man is a communications director for a sitting congresswoman.

And he thinks he can't handle decision making. he was the youngest communication director ever and he thinks he can't handle confrontation or making decisions or pressure there is there i'm sorry but he's not the one out there actually making the laws but he is controlling what gets said by this congresswoman i know but we're also delusional out there you know like and i am a big fan of this past but you listen to like in real life too it sounds like you know you leave it based on okay but look I don't believe in astrology it's just not my thing I think my response is similar to sophies which is like I don't believe it but like I'll listen

to you talk about it I'm not going to like walk away but I I'm not also going to engage and ask questions but okay so we're judging people based on like their astrology sign I could argue that it's equally annoying when people are like, I know women like her or I know moms or I know teens. Oh, it absolutely is. You know, so we can kind of say the same thing's pretty ridiculous. I honest, I think Jake even said it at the, I think one of his like intro statements was like,

I know how to talk to women or whatever. And I'm like, all women? Oh, yeah. Any generalization like that. Yeah. Absolutely. talked it up to that instead of like it's this like whimsical nonsense thing i don't know i think it's just as ridiculous as thinking that you know you can talk to all women or you know how to

manage all teenagers or all toddlers i don't know yeah i mean i get annoyed when people say you know millennial this is well no lawyers they're right but you're not a lawyer no but andy can hear you. But I mean, I worked with lawyers for a long time. I feel for over 30 years. So I feel like I can say that. But the, you know, when when people are like, you know, kids these days, these millennials, these, you know, they don't want to work. They don't want to do this.

They don't want to do that. And it's like, I have two kids who absolutely disprove everything you're saying right now. So just be quiet about that. that. And so any sort of generalization, but he just went beyond generalization to specifics. Like, I know who you are and how to handle you. And I'm going to do it, even though I've known you for six days in this game, I'm going to ignore that and treat you this way because of when you were born. And so, I mean, you know, as it turned out, Jeremiah said, or he told Rob, in his interview, he didn't think there was anything he could have done to change the outcome.

And now, we just talked about, we don't know that. He's likely right about that, but we don't know that. But even if this was the case at this point, he should have tried something sooner. And you said this earlier. It should have been a longer process of getting to know him. But he said he hadn't spoken strategy directly with Alex the whole time. He should have realized that in change. shit if you're at a four-person alliance but you only talk strategy with two other people

you pretty well know where the fracture could be in that group and you might not be on the right side of it the only time i want to be able to defend not talking as much strategy as you should be is like if there are people that are talking a ton of strategy and you're only talking a little bit of strategy, you don't realize how much more strategy is taking place. You think that's the most amount of strategy that's happening, right? So there's that surface level, not realizing everything that's going on below. And I'm just wondering if he thought everybody was just in such a good place that they didn't have to talk about strategy.

Did he mention anything about it in exit interviews? Did he say, I probably should have talked to, you know, Alex Moore? or I should have tried harder to drive a wedge between Sophie Alex and Jake. He didn't say it. He said he only talked strategy to Sophie and Jake. If you're talking strategy with two of the three members, you should be talking with the other member too. Even if it's just confirming, even if it's just a little bit.

Yeah, I agree. He said he talked none. And then to believe, like we said earlier, that Jake would would cut Alex instead of him I mean they had him they had him bamboozled if that was the situation now I so so yeah I I think I think we can move to Jake now speaking of him um because he was in a much better spot than Jeremiah at least for now he had as we mentioned two number ones, Sophie and Alex. Sophie felt like she and Jake were so tight they were controlling the tribe.

And indeed, Annie said in her interviews last week that she saw the two of them talking to each other secretly in the middle of the night. Meanwhile, Nicole said in interviews that she thought she'd built a relationship with Jake, but of course that wasn't the case. Alex made an interesting point in tribal council that Jake was the one with all the relationships, the multiple connections. He was the linchpin of that. lines.

Yeah. I mean, are we talking about scheme and plot here with Jake? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he was the common thread. The fact that Jake and Alex could so openly, like, display their bromance. And I want to say that the first time, who was it? I think it was Jeremiah or Sophie.

I can't remember who was talking to Jake. And Jake was like, yeah, let's be together. but Alex is with us too. Like, he's my bro. And he's like, that's not going to change. I can't remember what his wording was, but I was like, oh, that's a bold move. But, you know, he had no problem hiding it. And I think that speaks volumes as to how comfortable he felt about his position.

But like, I think when Jake added Jeremiah to the foursome when they were finding the idol, like Jeremiah was super appreciative of Jake. And I don't know, you could, you could just see that he genuinely had a great relationship with each person out there, especially Sophie. I mean, Sophie, like, came out and said, I'm jealous. You're making me, like, it's the Italian woman in me, but, like, I want you looking at me and nobody else. And for Jake to have so much power in the game that early to where he is making another player want to vote a different. player out. It's a pretty powerful position, in my opinion. Yeah, it is. And I mean, I think a lot of it was he was easily the most recognizable in the pregame. Like everyone saw him. Everyone wanted him on

their tribe. And so when he was on this tribe, it was like, oh, right, bonus. You know, we get him and we want to keep him. And then he turned out not to just be a piece of meat, but to also, you know, seemingly be a nice enough guy and you know someone who could scheme and plot now speaking to the bromance aspect of things it this kind of will take us it'll act as the bridge between rule one and two because jake said in his interviews that his true ride or die was sophy and he made a public bromance with Alex on purpose to distract from himself and Sophie. Now, when he talked to Rob, he still put them as very close to even. Like Rob pinned him down and said, if you had to go, what percentage?

And he said, uh, 51% Sophie, 49% Alex. But that could have changed as they went forward in the game. That was at least his claim in his interviews, you know, that he had this, this interesting plan, which then takes us to the second rule, which of course says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. Because even if you seem to have an obvious duo, that could still present the problems of having an obvious duo. And at the same time, he said he wanted to go to the final three with Alex and Sophie, and as we mentioned, considered them to be his two number ones. So how much of a smokescreen was it really? Like he's saying this

in his interviews. Ed, who were they smoke screening? I don't understand that they've already voted everyone out. Who's left? Maybe, maybe he smoked. Well, no, I can't even see he smokescreened Jeremiah because Jeremiah worked in reverse by thinking he'd vote out, Alan.

So I don't know what the point of the smokescreen was. No, I mean, was he talking long game? Or was he saying that was just the way that he was playing the first six days? You know, he could have been talking about, you know, when Annie and Nicole were there as well. Oh, he was, but, I mean, they still had a four. Who cares what Annie and Nicole think? Yeah.

And I mean, it really doesn't matter if they think he's with Alex or Sophie. Well, it would because let's say somebody gets chosen to go on a journey and they start sharing information. It's going to suck when, you know, Annie goes out and says, hey, you know, Sophie and Jake are a pair. If you have an opportunity to give them a disadvantage or to steal one of their votes or if there's a merge, somebody's got an idol or a advantage. I mean, you're right. But again, he was making a smokescreen to hide his 49% and go with his 51%.

You know, somebody's still going to win there, David, and somebody's still going to lose. regardless of what the percentage is. And you know why I know that? Because I'm a Philadelphia sports fan. I heard they did well this week. I want to talk about it, David. I shouldn't have even brought it up. Yeah.

Sorry. Too soon. We're still hopeful here. We're still hopeful. We've got one game left. All right. I'll pull for you. I'll pull for you.

Well, hopefully we've got more than one game left. Okay. Fair. You know, so. All right. We're easing into a rule number two. Yes. so yeah I mean that's really all I had to say about Jake for this one because he didn't have much time to make anything else happen there as for Jeremiah he seemed to say way too much in that first tribal council by talking openly about how they were comparing two people to see who was weaker he even said the person in question had no idea and thought they were part of the majority and this almost alerted Nicole and should have alerted Nicole but

as we discussed in the first podcast of the season, for some reason, she believed Alex's reassurance in that moment that she was fine. But she really should have played her shot in the dark in that moment. He gave away. Jeremiah just gave away everything by talking in tribal counsel. I mean,

I think what I thought when I saw that clip was, I was more worried about Annie because I thought Annie is now going to think that everybody is talking about having to choose between the two of them. You know, instead of thinking that she might actually have a shot with, let's say, Jeremiah and Alex, because she does see Sophie and Jake together all the time.

Or she might think she has a shot with Sophie and Jeremiah because Jake and Alex are together all the time. I don't know. I mean, at that moment, we didn't know it yet until a second episode, but at that time, she thought she was. controlling the game. Exactly. You know, she never thought that she was one of those two.

She knew they were talking about Nicole, but it was, it was just, oh gosh, for him to say that in tribal council, that was just, yeah, that was too much. It didn't end up hurting him, but I could, you know, if he had made it further in the game, it certainly, you know, if he kept talking like that, it certainly could have, but he never had chance to. Sometimes I wonder how much confidence plays a factor in what people say when they're at tribal council. I don't know because I've never been to tribal council when I'm confident, but he seemed really confident when he was saying that. I can't think of any other reason why he would want to share that information. I don't know. Yeah, I, they, I mean, to be,

fair. They had, or mostly Alex, had fooled Nicole. So, but yeah. Now, other than that, did you see any problems from either player here? I didn't see any problems with scheming and plotting. I thought Jake did a great job of balancing scheming and plotting versus not scheming and plotting. I think the issue I had with Jeremiah's, I don't have anything negative to say. I just don't have anything to say. And that was. frustrating for me because when I found out who we were going to be discussing tonight

I went back and I intentionally tried to look for stuff and I just wasn't seeing it. Not as much as I was seeing it with Jake. Yeah. All right. Well, we can move into the third rule which tells players to be flexible. Speaking of Jeremiah and I think we may have just gotten

your answer, but how do you think he did in terms of this rule? I mean, he didn't really have anything to be secretive about and I'm trying to think if at any point he was trying to backstab anybody I mean aside from like a vote out or trying to turn on Sophie to get Alex to vote for her instead of him but otherwise there wasn't a lot of a lot of scheming and plotting from him right right yeah we're we're we're I kind of messed you up here by burging one and two at the end there but yeah what I I mean, like I said, I think you have the answer here for his flexibility in terms of rule three.

You know, he, like you said, he didn't have anything to be flexible about. Jeremiah? Yeah. I mean, I feel like we talked about how he got all his information through Jake and Sophie. And even though he had a friendship with Alex, they didn't talk strategy, I'm sure he felt probably like two out of three wasn't bad but again this is why you need to ensure lines of communication with everyone are open if possible because you never know when you might need to rely on someone which is what flexibility is all about the time came for jeremiah and he just

didn't have that history of talking game with alex that he could fall back right um and i don't even think it's confidence alone. I think it's control. You know, I don't want to say he was like being carried in the game, but I also don't I don't see at any point

where he was controlling the game. He was making decisions. I felt like he was being told everything. And I think that's wonderful. Being in the know and having information, that's wonderful. You know, that's one of

core components of being a great survivor player is having information and knowing what to do with it. I think the part that he was missing was doing something with the information that he had or trying to be a little bit more aggressive or trying to take control knowing that there were three other

people that were driving. Yeah, I mean, that's a very good point. Even when he talked about if they had gone to tribal council as a four, he didn't say, I thought I could convince Jeremiah he's sorry Jake he said I thought Sophie could convince Jay yeah so he you're

right you're absolutely right he was not taking a role in the actual direction that they were going okay I I'm going to say though if if he was able to get Sophie to vote out Jake I would put him in a power position at that point. Right? Right. I just didn't see him doing any of that. Right. Exactly. At the Nissan All In Clear Out, there's nothing more chill than financing an award-winning Nissan for just zero percent. Enjoy the soothing relaxation of zero stress, zero worries, zero indecision. Hurry in because once they're gone, there will be zero left. During the Nissan all-in clear-out, get zero percent financing plus up to $500 bonus on some of our best-selling models. You have zero reasons to wait.

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but also, of course, with Sophie and Alex, the members of his trio. And I mentioned in Rule 1 that Alex noted in Tribal Council how Jake was the one with all the relationships. If he had been able to continue, that would have come in very, very handy. Yeah, absolutely. I was fascinated by Jake's ability to manage

all these relationships so well. I think at one point he said something to Annie like, okay, but I'm not going to backstab self. And then I think Jake told Jeremy, Alex is my number one.

Most of the time people say that we're on the other side of the TV being like, what are you doing? Why are you saying that? Why are you giving them that information? They're going to turn on you. Nobody. Nobody had a problem with how wide open. Jake was about who his alliance members were, who his top alliance members were, and he still had people wanting to play with him and bringing him information.

I mean, I'm not sure if I can talk about it now, but I was so impressed with how Alex, you know, most of the time when somebody is with somebody else when they find an advantage or an idol, they're coming back at a confessional and they're like, oh, I'm so mad. I don't want them to be there. Alex is like, I'm so glad Jake was there. He's my ride or die. he was so excited to have him there which again I just think it speaks volumes for the game he was playing yeah yeah absolutely

you know of course we'll never know how it would have gone once he got there but yeah I think he would have made it pretty far to be honest with you yeah yeah I mean it's very hard to say

I know you know and that's yeah that's That's part of the problem. You know, we don't have a choose your own adventure book option here of, oh, you know, Jake doesn't get it and buy a stick. What happens then, you know? No, but we can hope he gets invited back.

Yes. So he'll have to, you know, find, find new allies at that point. That's right. Now, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. Yeah. Why did you think of Jeremiah here? I think you're going to appreciate my notes here. It says, astrology,

Boris, Lux's life. Because he just kept talking about, let's see, where did I have it, business class, five star, maxing out my hotel, all of that. And I was worried that that might be a factor. But no, I, again,

I just didn't. get to see enough gameplay from him to be able to determine whether his emotions were controlling his decisions. Yeah, I have to think that they didn't because he seemed to be on, you know, friendly terms with, with, with, with everyone. And, you know, Nicole had even done him a favor and gotten mud out of his eyes by from spinning him. But, you know, he still stuck with his alliance and voted her out.

And then the same with the second vote and Annie. And, you know, as I mentioned earlier, he knew, quote, the two people who are on the outs are always going to be on the outs. And that was pretty much that, that, you know, he was just, they were voting according to the alliance. Now, we talked about that he didn't necessarily have control over that. alliance but right now in those first two votes he didn't need control but that's the part that's the problem is you have to plan for the future and he did not no I think that goes back to again

there's just not enough time for these players to be able to think like that and and is that fun too like absolutely you know you're having to think quicker or more on your feet you know you can't you're eating less so therefore you know you're not thinking is straight that early in the game but um i just don't think he had enough time to establish the relationships that he needed with the people that were on the outs to feel comfortable taking a risk like that yeah yeah especially when you've got the the three people that are dominating the game that early wanting to include you i wouldn't have blamed him that early in the game Right. Yeah. And I think, you know, when we move on to Jake in this rule, the one issue, now, this didn't come up, but it was an issue that I think was set up to cause him problems going forward. I think he had a misread on the idea that he could use the emotions of the impending birth of his son and turn that in his own favor because he had only told Sophie and Alex about it so far. That was going to be one.

of the things on my list that indicated that Jeremiah was not in that trio there. You know, but I didn't have to mention it. But yeah, he had only told those two. Jeremiah was not in that, was not told about that. But he said to Mike Bloom that he was planning to tell others to keep himself safe because he knew he'd be a massive target at Merge. And he said it would, quote, pull the heartstrings. I think he has it exactly the opposite.

I think if you're out there and he tells you. tells you this, you look at him and say, so not only is he this massive physical threat, but he's got this whole baby thing to talk about if he makes it the final tribal council. Get him the heck out of here. Yeah. Or how about this? How about maybe people are going to judge you. Maybe people are going to think you're a shitty guy for leaving your wife to have a baby.

all by yourself. Lord knows people on Facebook and TikTok do. Yes. And I am not one of those. Let me be clear. I am in no place to judge. I am not here to give my opinion on whether he should have gone out there or not. I'm just saying that's a risk that you've got to take.

I was trying to figure out whether I told people that I was a nurse when I went out because it was so close after COVID. and I had been a COVID nurse. I was worried, like, are people either going to feel bad for me and want to keep me out there longer or are people going to use it against me because they're going to be like she's going to use it as a story to tell during final travel council? And so you just kind of, you try not to make a big deal about it

and just comes up in conversation. But again, I just, I feel like that was a huge risk. And a lot of people, because they don't know what the rules are after you get voted off, they're probably thinking, let's get him voted off. Let's get him home. Right. Like here, here is your ticket home to your baby. Let's vote you off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there definitely, you know, could have been people who thought like

the, you know, some of the Facebook and TikTok people who are like he's a terrible person for doing this. And to my mind, it's like, if it's okay with you and it's okay with your wife, those are the only two people that matter, especially since he was doing it with his dad in mind who's going blind you know i mean that's another even without that it's still only between those two people but with that added in there it makes it even more understandable why he would want to do it now so so but you're right there could have been players who were like what is he doing here well okay i think the more likely response uh would probably be uh you're kind of a jerk for using that knowing that people are going to you know haven't we had a couple of uh players at final tribal

that don't want people to know certain things about them like um uh Jeremy oh he waited till the end to tell everybody he waited until the end to do it but i think any player who knows about Jeremy would take one look if if if Jake told them ahead of time they'd be like he's not going to Jeremy us yeah we're not going to let him get the final tribal council with this information? But look, I don't think he'd even need to do that to get people to vote him out before final tribal council.

I think Jake is one of the most likable people on the cast in terms of seeing the way that he interacts with his tribe mate. So I think people would have just taken him out for that reason alone. Well, plus the challenge threat, you know, reasons.

I mean, as he got down to the end, I think it would. Is it okay. I mean, I don't feel like big players are winning the game? No, because people vote them out. I don't know. I mean,

it depends. You know, did these players see the, you know, the, I don't think they did see the end of 48 when they went out there. So they didn't know that like three quarters

of the post-merge individual challenges were based on arm strength. But if they did know that, you know they certainly would have been like get this guy out of here that's you know we don't need we don't need that again so yes but you're right i mean i said it last week when annie was saying oh we need to get him out now because he'll win all the challenges well no he won't win all of them he would win the ones that are geared towards strength but he's not going to necessarily win the ones that are geared towards a lighter person hanging onto a pole for example well i mean i think the other thing is is would Sophie or Alex keep him around as a meat shield and work together to keep him. Yeah. Yeah. I think they absolutely

would have. So, but that only works if you can gather more allies, which we'll never know if that would have happened. So. Well, I mean, let's be honest, I think Alex, Soph, and Jake are all great alliance members. I

would want to play. I'd want to play with them. Right. Right. Yeah. So. until you find out he has a baby on the way and then you're like, get up. So, all right, well,

the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And you have already talked about how, you know, Jake had a great social game going. Now, last week, Rob and Jessica and I discussed

Jake the shoe bandit and agreed that it was silly, not even good prank. And as it turned out, Jake saw a clip of our discussion. I posted on TikTok and YouTube and indicated in a comment that he wasn't too happy with what we said. But, hey, I'm always going to call him as I see him. And anyway, I did think that we were being shown that I thought there was a reason behind it. We were being shown it because someone would find out and they'd be annoyed and it would come back to bite him. But no.

something else bit him instead. So I guess they showed it because they expected. I mean, there's a large contingent of people who are like, we think that's funny. And hey, that's great. If you do, fine. I think it was both poor gameplay and not terribly creative, personally. But I think that the producers and editors put it out there to add more personality to him

so that we'd have more of a feeling when he got taking. out the way that he did. Yeah. So I think what pleasantly surprised me with Jake was, you know, the first intro that we get of him is, is this picture of the poster of him doing Sydney Hot Shots. And, you know, he's, they're portraying him as kind of like a macho, beefy, physical guy, right?

But as the episode goes on, absolutely, 100% just like you. As the episodes go on, you start to see a. softer side of him, I see just how supportive he's being and how affectionate he's being. It reminds me a lot of the guy friendships that I see at camp, you know, just, you know, so friendly and wanting to spend time together and stuff. It's just sweet. And I think that because you got to see the softer side of him, it allowed you to see what a great social game he was having. And I enjoyed seeing him. And then when he ended up doing the shoe band, stuff. I don't know. I just think it's in such bad taste. You see how sensitive people get about their

stuff. I mean, remember, Riem got voted out because she just moved people's stuff wanting to put it into the sun. So you're taking a huge risk, especially when people see you asking questions about shoes. And then the next thing you know, someone's asking where their shoes gone. I don't know. That's risky. I wouldn't take somebody's stuff. And some people may think it's funny. I just don't. And I'm not willing to take a risk out there. But again, maybe Jake was in such a great place that he felt comfortable doing it. And maybe the people there would think it was funny. I don't know.

Yeah, it's possible. And, you know, since it all stayed secret before he left, I don't think anyone had any negative feelings about him at that point. Like you said, he seemed to be everyone's friend. Sophie even said that he was the closest thing she'd had to a big brother. After knowing him for six days. Six days. Six days.

I know he'd be close out there quickly, but you made him into a brother in six days? I mean, I wouldn't have said James or Gio were the closest things that I had to a brother out there, but it felt like it at the time. I wouldn't say a brother, but maybe, you know, that's how Sophie felt. But instead of like mocking that situation, the first thing I thought when I heard her say that was like wow he's had that much of an impact on her yeah yeah that's true you know i mean i think i think it just shows uh how good of a bond they had out there yeah so now as for jeremiah i i think he was in a similar position to jake in terms of his likeability i i think that everyone liked

jeremiah i don't see any indication that people disliked him i i don't think alex chose to vote him out for anything associated with this rule. What do you think? I think they liked him. I don't think they saw him as a serious player, at least not yet. You know, you do get to make immediate decisions about who you have a great first impressions of or people that you're like, I definitely don't want to play with that one. And you can get that set up.

but as the days go as the days go on out there you start to realize oh gosh this person's going to be the crack in our alliance or wait this person is our alliance but i'm really enjoying spending time with them um i don't know where i'm going with that but um i sorry i'm getting old david i'm getting so old no you're not um yeah remind me what my point was i just you were talking about jeremiah being likable so yeah okay so i i think he's likable so i i think he's likable. And I think everyone enjoys him. I just don't think if they have to choose who is going to be the person that they're taking to the end, he hadn't given them enough to want to leave a really great thing and go off with him. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah. Would he be chosen if they didn't have Alex and Jake to choose from two? Yeah, he's great.

I just think, you know, the fourth three, exactly i think the core three just saw more in each other than they did in jeremiah and that stinks for jeremiah yeah all right well the sixth rule warns against being too much of a threat and i i guess the snake felt threatened by jake as he sat there on his beach with the he did technically he did yeah and luckily not enough of a threat to use his venom that is good so there's that that we know of yes that we know of right too much of a threat but not like murder levels of a threat. But otherwise, of course,

Jake knew he would be seen as a threat at the merge. And Annie wanted to take care of that threat in the second vote, but nobody else was going with her. While I think he would have been seen as a threat come the merge, you know, we've already talked about this a bit. There was a problem he never ended up facing. So for now, as of this point, it wasn't an issue for him. no it wasn't an issue for him but um i think we need to talk about what is a threat i i think

jake's level of threat is different than jeremiah's level of threat jeremiah's level of threat is never going to be physical right what's what's his level of threat going to be social social in theory if they had made it that far. Yeah. It's just, again, unfortunately, I feel like there were two other people, or three,

that were better social players with each other. Right. Than Jeremy. I mean, then Jeremiah. So. Yeah. And you talked about the Jake also could have had the social threat level as well.

I kind of feel like he was more of a triple threat. Yeah. And I also paid attention. to where the players were put during the marooning challenge. You know, Jake started out strong doing the physical part of it. You know, you see him immediately starting out, going to get the boxes running back. Then you see Jeremiah. He's swimming out to get the puzzle pieces.

He's coming back. He's clearly struggling. That's hard for him, you know, right away, I know, Jake's going to be a physical threat. Jeremiah is not going to be a physical threat. So, and then, as long as Jake has two people that are fighting to be his number one, he's always going to be a social threat. And then with strategy, as far as I'm concerned, he was one of the biggest strategic stress, strategic stress threats in the game because he had.

Easy for you to die. Again, he had enough power where he was controlling. somebody else's emotions on another player. He had somebody seeking him out to help him with a beware advantage.

That's a threat right there too. You know, whether they're talking strategy or they're making strategic moves, that's... Yeah. Yeah.

So when it comes to Jeremiah's threat level, you talked about it some. Do you think Alex Wade that at all versus Sophie and making his decision? No, I think Alex was basing his decision on trust. And who is going to help him navigate the second part of the game?

They knew they're either going to emerge or do some type of tribe swap. And it's way too early for emerge, right? So they're going to swap tribe somehow. And I think his thought was, if that happens, who's more likely to stay loyal to me? who's more likely to get information who is going to integrate themselves should we get split up into a different tribe

and will not only be able to get information from those people but find out who the movers and shakers are so when they all come together one of them isn't giving too much information and the other person isn't I think he's thinking

it's going to be more of like an equal trade I don't know what do you think I agree completely you know, took the words right off of my note page years. So it just goes back to what we talked about earlier. Like, who was he talking strategy with before? It was Sophie.

It wasn't Jeremiah. So there was no reason to think that Jeremiah would be a better person to go forward with him in the game. Right. And I think when, for future players, when there's like three or four people that are standing around having conversations and you start to notice that like a couple

of people are dominating the conversation, you've got to find a way to integrate yourself into that conversation as well. If you're continuously the person that's sitting around just listening to what everybody's saying, not only are you the person that's on the outs, but you're not doing anything to make yourself not the person on the outs. Yep. You know, give some input. Do something. Be a part of that conversation. Don't be the person that they're telling you what to do instead of asking you what they should do. Yep. All right, well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game mechanics.

And Jeremiah and Sophie sort of tried to talk Alex out of playing his idol. But as we discussed earlier, it seemed like Jeremiah didn't, you know, push hard enough there. Though I really do think it would have taken some masterful magic, plus a big mistake on Alex's part for him to not play his idol at that point. I think the days are gone of players having an idol and not playing it. I think it was smart of Alex to play it. We talked about it at the live show. Everyone firmly believes that idols are going to be put right back in. And so there's so many more opportunities to get advantages in the game that you would be stupid.

You'd be stupid not to play it. Yeah. Even if you wasn't coming back in, this is your, you know, are you, I mean, there's three people left. There's no way. I mean, he said it himself. He'd be kicking himself forever. You know?

And so, yeah, he absolutely had to play it. But speaking of that idol, we mentioned earlier that Jeremiah was right about his position in the alliance when he saw he was the last one to find out about it. But we also talked about how that didn't seem to register with him as he still thought Jake would vote to keep him if they had gone to tribal count. counsel as a for some. So he had a good read on the situation, but he didn't do anything with that good read and missed the logic completely. No, but do you think he was just saying that after the fact, you know, like you can say something and not actually believe it, right?

Like, yeah, I mean, he can say it now, but did he actually believe that when he was out there? Why would he have made the same decisions out there? based off of what he's saying now. I don't know. I mean, there was no decision, really. I don't know why he would purposely make himself look worse by saying this in interviews now.

Like, he knows Jake is out there giving interviews. And he's out there. He's saying at the same time, oh, Jake would, there's a big part of me that thinks Jake would have kept me. No. No, there was no part of Jake that was going to keep you. So I don't know why he's. would be out of saying that.

I mean, I understand people sometimes in interviews say things to make themselves look better. I know. That's what I was hoping. I'm just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I don't know why they'd say something to make themselves look worse. So I think he truly believed it. And yeah, he's having a little bit of a reality check by seeing these interviews in parallel. I don't think it was a reality check.

I think his psychic might have told him. Oh, would that be his psychic who told him he? was going to come in seventh place because he should really get his money back for that one. Wow, David. So are we going to go see an astrologer next time we hang out? Oh, yeah, definitely. Can we please? Can we please?

No. Please. No. Come on. Yes. Oh, I'm not giving one of those. We'll talk about it later. I'm not giving a scammer more money.

We'll talk about it. Okay. Okay. All right. So are we going to still talk about idols, rules, and advantages? Well, yes. because I do what we do should address his logic for not using the shot in the dark and I do somewhat understand it in this case what did you say well he didn't use it you know he didn't speak to

his did he speak to his logic he might have I don't remember but if he used it and it missed then he was guaranteed to go if Sophie voted for Alex then either Alex votes for him and he's gone even if Alex doesn't play his idol because Jeremiah would be the only available person to go at that point. It would be a tie. And it could have happened more directly if, of course, Sophie voted for Jeremiah and Alex did as well. But by not using it, there was a chance, a slim chance, but a chance he and Sophie could have voted out Alex if Alex didn't use his idol. I mean, the question is, was there more than a one in six chance that this would happen? You know, this is where we start making up numbers.

And we've, on various podcasts, we've talked about this when people, you know, when Nicole, like, was saying, well, change from a 50-50 to a 30-70. Where are you getting these numbers from? So it's, you know, clearly Alex must have done a decent enough job convincing Jeremiah. he was just a poor, indecisive Libra who might or might not do it such that Jeremiah felt his vote was more important

than the one in six chance of being safe. I think even if Jeremiah thought that Alex was going to vote for him, I still don't think he would have played this shot in the dark. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, his...

I mean, if Alex votes for him and then he and Sophie both vote for Alex, and Alex does not use his idol, then he's good. But that is a lot of ifs. There's a lot of it. But, but I just think he was willing to roll the dice on the Alex situation.

That's all he had. Or not roll the die. There. Roll the shot in the dark. I like that, David. Would work better if they actually did use it as a die instead of, you know, just plopping it into something and drawing a scroll. But I kept my shot in the dark die.

oh it's so beautiful they're going to come after you for that you know Jeff is going to hunt you down but let's talk about Jake and idols rules and advantages because I thought he did some really sweet things I thought when Alex found the wear advantage I thought he was like really encouraging and I thought that was a great way to like um you know really uh improve his social game with Alex um I thought it was sweet when Alex was like I'm really glad to have Jake it bonded us we're partners in this um and then uh you know jeremiah stumbles upon the idle hunt um and immediately uh they cut to him basically saying that he doesn't trust his alliance except then he did you know it's one thing to be in a four and not knowing that you're the fourth it's one thing

to be in a four you know for like me i didn't realize that james and carla were as close as they were. I didn't realize that Carla and Cass were talking a little bit. We knew how close Gio and Ryan were. I mean, they're like Alex and Alex and Jake. But he had right. He could feel it. He knew that he was going to be the fourth. I think he just needed more time to be able to work his way and try to figure out where the cracks were. And I truly believe cracks would have come up. I think between Sophie and Alex? I think there's going to be some cracks. They would have.

He needed to start exploiting those on day one or two rather than waiting until, oops, it's too late. But you get nervous when you are kind of on the outs, I think there's two different types of people. I think there are people that are aggressive and are willing to do literally anything. And then I think there are people that are like, I'm scared to be too aggressive because if it's not received well, then that just tells people like, this person is making me uncomfortable let me get them out yeah i mean you certainly have to be careful about but even just even just talking like we said earlier talking some strategy with alec could have

helped yeah you know so i yeah i did he say why he didn't i he didn't specify not that i recall in his interviews anyway i think it was more just he was fine with sophy and jake you know and so he didn't well actually he did say a little bit he said he said a little bit he said he said said that they they were similar people that both of them interacted with others in the similar way that they would share some information and then when you responded back they would just you know Alex would just nod and agree with you and that was also the way Jeremiah said he was playing yeah but I don't think having a similar style is a reason to not want to engage with someone Well, no, for a couple of reasons.

I mean, number one, at some point, those other three people in Alliance are going to be in a situation where they're having a conversation. And you don't want to give any of those three people a reason to bring up your name. What you want is for them to walk away from that conversation and want to come find you, right? but number two you want to have a connection with all three people because especially in a faster game there aren't always opportunities for information to go from one person to the next person to the next person before you either have to get on a boat go to tribal council whatever it is so if you do not have open lines of communication with people you you're not going to be able to like skip a step when time is a factor sometimes again people get

taken away on confessional for half a morning. And if that is your contact, you know, that's what happened with me. You know, Cassidy was my main point of contact. And so when she went missing and I needed her to go talk to Carla for me, I could handle James, but I needed her help. That's when I realized like, oh, I hadn't done a good enough job in all three social situations. So when I went up to Carla and I asked her to talk, she was like, no, I don't want to talk. Okay. You can't make somebody talk to you, right? and so that's why I think it's important you know to

hit him with seaweed till they talk with like palm fronds wrapped around them yeah it's not a bad idea yeah so talk you will talk

I do that to my kids and my husband so all the time yeah okay maybe more information than we need it just kidding not in a weird way All right. So, yeah, that's my take on Idol's rules and advantages. Okay.

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which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak, then the strong, and then the weak, then the strong. And as we discussed at some amount of length last week, because Rob loves this one so much. Being weak is not necessarily a matter of physicality or challenges. And indeed, being weak as an ally is usually more important. We say this, we say this all the time.

It's don't assume weak means like muscle weak. And certainly that was the case here, that it was weak as an ally. because, excuse me, we discussed how Sophie was a more integral part of the alliance, even after it was blown up by Jake being medevac. And, you know, simply put, Alex trusted her more than Jeremiah because as we covered, Jeremiah didn't give Alex a reason to trust him instead. And so it seems pretty obvious to me that Alex made the right call. Yeah, Alex definitely made the right call.

And I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier. But I also think Jake's ability to trust Sophia played a role in it. So it wasn't just lack of trust with Jeremiah. It was the amount of trust that Alex had in Sophie. And I wonder how much of that was influenced by Jake. Like how much, how much of an influence is he having in the game? even though he's not even in the game anymore. I suspect there was some,

but I think it was more that like, and maybe this was part of influence, maybe not. I think there was more that just Alex and Sophie actually talked to each other about strategy. Oh, definitely, but you can't tell me if Jake had stayed in the game that eventually, I mean, we already see Sophie talking negatively about Alex only because he's Jake's number one. At any point,

Alex's going to turn on South if Jake could step around. Because Alex is going to have the same issues with Sophie that Sophie's having with Alex. I mean, he could have tried, but then Jake would have said no if Jake were still there. You know, he wanted to take, he wanted the three of them to get to the end.

And I know at the at the live show, this was referenced, you know, the situation for Big Brother Watchers, you had Vince, who had his number one with Lauren and his number one with Morgan. And his ideal scenario was to get all three of them to the end. The problem was Morgan and Lauren didn't want to work with each other, didn't like each other, were jealous of the time he spent with each of the other people. And, you know, so it became, there became a time. when he did have to make a choice.

And that might have happened with Jake. Right. And what people are going to want to do at the end, you know, let's say the three of them get to the end. That would have been great. But I'm going to play on another scenario, which is more likely.

And that Alex most likely would want to take credit for getting rid of Jake's number one. Or Sof is going to want to get credit for getting out Jake's number one. Yeah. I mean, it really depends. Especially if they're playing the same game, right? How are they going to differentiate themselves from each other at Final Tribal? I mean, the other thing that could have easily happened was Jake wins a challenge.

The other players take a shot at one of Jake's lieutenants, as we often see. Okay, we can't get Jake right now, but we can get Alex or Sophie. So let's take out what I've even seen recently. I can't give you an example because, again, I'm 45 and my brain is mush. But how often, I want to even say it happened last season, people are wanting to go after their biggest targets ally instead of their target. And I'm like, what do you do? Like, you can get your target right now.

They're like, no, we're going to go after their ally. We're going to cut them off at the knees. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's been going on for a long time too. And it's just, I think, more obvious now. but usually, yeah, it usually only happens when they want to bring that out. They think they can bring that ally in, which goes back to the, you know,

the Jake versus Sophie situation, if it had been one of them. Like, I want them to myself, so I'm going to take out the other. Or we see a three get broken up during a double tribal. Right. Exactly. So the what could have beens. Yes. Mm-hmm.

I do also want to mention that. Alex, I mean, we said this already, but he definitely made the right decision in terms of playing his idol. And I know he was a bit annoyed that it turned out he didn't need, quote unquote, to play it. He still needed to play it. No, he needed to play it. No, whatever's the person needed to play it. Right, right. All right.

So with all of that is about time to wrap up. What are your final thoughts on Jake and Jeremiah? My final thoughts on Jake and Jeremiah. I felt like after my rewatch, I was really sad to see Jaco. I felt like he had so much more game left. Jeremiah, again, it's not that I don't feel the same way. I think I just didn't get enough screen time of him to be able to really understand what his strategy was going to be, what his gameplay was going to be.

I felt more like, you know, people were telling him what to do. Like, even when I was, when I was evaluating Jake and Jeremiah's votes throughout the season so far and how they made that count, I just wasn't saying anything from Jeremiah. I felt like he was more being told how to vote instead of guiding a vote or benefiting from a vote in some way more than the other players in terms of like being able to take credit for it or being able to say that I was part of that move, something, but I'm just not seeing it. Okay.

What about you? Well, just when you think things can't get any worse for a disaster tribe, reality comes up and bites you on the foot. And then Jeff didn't even cancel tribal council while giving Kale another challenge ending in their worst nightmare. The puzzle. Jake was playing a pretty good game before he got taken out. While I obviously disagreed with his shoe bandit antics and worried it would come back to haunt him,

we'll never know if it would have, and we talked about that. For now, he was very secure in his tribe. I suspect the future would have held some significant impediments for him once they made it to the merge, especially if he had chosen to talk about his upcoming birth of his son the way he was planning. I mean, maybe we'll find out how he navigates the post-Burge in a future season, but for now, Mother Nature had the final say. I was, as we mentioned, glad to see he at least made it home in time for the birth of his son. Jeremiah was going home this episode no matter what.

Kelly was going to lose that challenge anyway, and despite his beliefs that Sophie could talk Jake into blindsiding Alex with an idol in his pocket, all of the evidence points again. that. Jeremiah relied heavily on Jake and Sophie, even within the alliance of four. While of course you need to be able to count on your allies, you also have to take important matters into your own hands. You can't just have one member of your alliance who you don't speak to about your alliance. I know Jeremiah didn't see this situation coming, but if it hadn't been this, it would have been the others blindsiding him anyway.

It was simply too late at this point to try to get Alex to try to try to get Alex to trust him over Sophie going forward, especially since he wouldn't even push the issue due to his astrological beliefs. Despite what Jeremiah believed, it was not written in the stars for him to move forward here. He should have put himself into a position similar to Jakes, communicating with everyone in the group. Instead, he relied too heavily on other people and found himself in a situation we see all too often on Survivor, needing help from a player who had no good reason to trust him. Much like that sea snake apparently didn't trust

the big guy with his feet in the water. And that is why Jeremiah and Jake lost. So, all right. Well, I hope you're ready with predictions, but we're not there. Wait, what? What are my prediction? What are you predicting? I know, I know.

It's not like you're new. Content tonight. All right. Not yet. Not yet. Don't predict that. to keep people on the edge of their seats because first I want to mention that next week we will have somebody here who you've already mentioned one of your former tribe mates runner up cassidy clark oh yay that's so fun so she will be back and uh and then of course we want to remind everyone that the the rules we just discussed are indeed available as a poster

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I have been posting about three videos per day as they pertain to mostly Survivor. I have had a trickling more of a Big Brother 27. I think those are pretty much done at this point. And so it's almost all Survivor. There will, of course, be some celebrity traders UK and then maybe some amazing race. And, of course, Traders Canada, who will have. have some familiar faces, some survivor familiar faces there. So now it is time for predictions.

Would you like me to go first or do you want to? Yes, please, please. So it seems like the tribes will probably be split into two groups of seven. If they do that, I really, really, really hope. They don't just plop Sophie on one and Alex on the other. now if they do and yellow ends up going to tribal council it could lead to some interesting results

because we already know MC isn't happy with the force of Matt invited her into and she might be able to grab Sophie with an E, Stephen and the new player either Sophie without any or Alex to turn on Matt I mean even if they do shuffle the deck,

I just feel like we've seen the stuff about MC, not liking Matt, not liking that group, liking Sophie with an E, liking Stephen. I think things are going to shake out so that that matters. So I'm going to predict that Matt goes.

What if, though, they split up Alex and Sophie, give them both an idol, because that's the only way that it would be fair. let's say Sophie is on the out Matt's on the outs the two of them

together Sophie gives her idol to Matt to keep Matt safe and because MC doesn't play her idol she ends up going home because she finds out she finds out that because she finds out that Matt finds out yeah whatever you know where I'm going with this I mean

anything's possible I don't see I see Sophie as being a self-interested player I don't see her handing, Sophie with an eye. I don't see her handing off an idol to some guy she's just met. She would if she knows it's either that or they're going after her. Yeah, but she has the idol for this time. Yeah, but I don't, you, this is what I'm doing that is that with a second you give that person an idol, they're only safe for one travel house.

I know that it can go very far for some people, but. I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. Yeah. You think they're going to just split the two up and put them on separate tribes? I don't. I think they're going to do a full mix up. They have to.

I just feel like it's so unfair. The statistics are there's a 50-50 chance they're on the same tribe. Wait, who did you get statistics from? Just myself? No, if they split. Oh, I thought you met the statistics of previous. No, no, no, I just mean. If they do a full mix, either.

If they do a full mix, either. it can be Sophie and Alex on different tribes or Sophie and Alex on one of the same tribes. So I think it works out to 50-50. Oh, my God. It's so funny. Okay. Well, those are my predictions. So you're predicting MC.

Okay. All right. This will be interesting. I mean, I'm only doing that because you know I like to disagree with you. Yes. Yes. That is true. And we didn't disagree a lot tonight because I read the comments about what you guys said

about me last time arguing with David and then I had to text him and apologize because I felt so bad about it. I think I said don't worry about those people. Yeah, you didn't care. So I don't know. I'm a sensitive, I'm a sensitive Aquarius, David.

Oh, okay. I don't know what that means, but I'm going to go look it up. Yeah. Aquarius. No. Oh, David, thank you for much. Thanks for let me come and hang out on the 10th. anniversary of why

Blank lost. You guys could have ditched me a long time ago and you didn't. And the fans have still stuck around. So fans, thanks for still listening. We kept it under two hours for y'all for double elimination. It did go. I have to admit it took longer than I thought it

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Thank you. Well, thank you. Thank you for those compliments. And, yes, we wish you would have gotten farther. But, you know, that goes back to you had a majority on that tribe of why blank lost listeners. And we just, we need to come up with that secret code word to get people together. And we just, we didn't think of that yet. It's okay.

It's okay. Now I just come and hang out with you and talk about other survivors games. Yes. Yes. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you again. And, you know, next week, Jessica should be back.

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