RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 49 Ep 4

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

Why ___ Lost: Survivor 49 Ep 4 Matt chalked up his Survivor 49 loss to picking the wrong buff in the tribe swap. And it would be easy to just shrug and agree with him. But that simply wasn’t the case. He also said there wasn’t much he could’ve done and he went out swinging. […]

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I'm David Bloomberg, and I'm happy to see that my co-host Jessica Lewis has recovered from her snakebite. And unlike Jake, she was not Medevac for the whole season. Thank goodness I wasn't Meta-Vac. That would have been terrible, right? Yeah, no, I'm back. And I apologize for my absence, but I truly. appreciate the felon. Lindsay was fantastic as always. And David, thank you for understanding. There's a lot of things happening in my existence, but y'all did great without me. So it's

okay. It's all right. We did okay. We did all right. Luckily, it was a dry bite, you know, so. So glad. Yes. Was it Lindsay for my season? Sorry to interrupt. Yes. I miss her. Yes. It was. Check it out. Yeah, she's fantastic. So I, I felt comforted in the fact that, like, when I was like, hey, David, listen, I'm, I got a, I got a bow out this week. I knew she was going to be able to step up. You can trust her. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. And as you have heard and as video viewers can already see, joining us is our second Survivor 43 or in a row, special returning guest, Cassidy Clark. Hello. Oh, honey. Very happy to be back. It's been a while since I've done a podcast. I'm a little rusty. but I couldn't think of a better podcast

to be reintroduced to the Survivor Podcasting world so thank you so much for having me I'm honored you're always such a joy thank you for me oh shucks how have you been doing

I've been really good yeah just like normal life stuff you know but is it really normal I mean can you call it normal it feels compared to like the you know like the a couple years ago

it definitely feels a lot lot more normal. That's good. But yeah, like I really just have been just, I don't know, yeah, like just doing normal things and, you know, watching Survivor, obviously keeping up with the Joneses and all that. But yeah, it's been good. I've been happy. I enjoy like the more calm, casual life anyway. So, but it's exciting to get on and talk about other people living out this exciting incredible experience because I know how amazing this time was for me in my life a few years ago. And so I'm just like so I'm always so thrilled for the people that are like going through it in the moment because I know how special it is. So it's fun to come back and talk about it every once in a while.

And yeah, so I'm happy to be. We can live vicariously through them again. Yes. Oh my God, please. Well, and this week we've got something new. We can finally discuss someone who wasn't on Kelly. Oh, yes. So this will give us a bit of change from the first three episodes.

Now, even so, it would be easy for someone to just say, Matt got swap screwed, what's there to discuss, as indeed he has said himself. But that is by no means even close to the full answer about what went wrong for him slash he did wrong. Even after the swap, Jason was in the minority right there with him. Sophie had nobody. So to figure out why he was the one who ended up heading back to Ponderosa for cheeseburgers and beer, we'll follow the same path we always do and compare how he played to a set of guiding rules for winning, I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. And we'll use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews, social media, and secret scenes.

Of course, the newest published version of the rules can be found on rob has website.com slash YX lost feed, where you can then click on the link bubble for the survivor rules. But before we address how Matt did in terms of those rules, We always have some other things to talk about. And I want to start with a topic we've been discussing this season, which is the beware advantages. And I already dropped a video on this earlier today as we're recording this. But after Alex had to get a literal ball and chain in order to retrieve his idol, we were

talking, we figured, oh, well, the other two are going to have to do something similar, equivalent. But no. When Rizzo's allies dug around the well, there was just this little scroll, telling him, go find a chest in the absolutely clear water.

Yeah. It was super simple and could easily have been accomplished by one person if he hadn't already told everyone. As opposed to the ball and chain, which was huge and clanked and, you know, needed Jake to carry it. That's so true.

I have a theory, though. I do have a theory. And maybe I'm misremembering things. But they ended up on the Hina Beach, right? Yes. So I feel like it was a last minute like, oh, snap, we have to like install this beware advantage thing now because it was. for someone who was not from Hina.

Yeah, but I mean, they were always, it was always installed before they got back to the beach because remember they got the beware advantage and it said, you can look at the well after you lose a challenge and only then will there be something there.

They could have buried that pretty quickly though while they're at a challenge. Right. I mean, like, was it originally the Hina? Sorry, I like, I watched Survivor, but I don't watch it as closely as I used to. Was it originally a Hina person that found the first advantage? No, Kelly found the first one.

That was the ball and chain. Oh, okay, so it wasn't on the Hina Beach. Right. And then Hina, MC found the blue one. Yeah. I know, I agree with that. I actually didn't catch that, but I feel like that is significantly easier to get and to hide from your tribe.

because like honestly unless they like told you otherwise you could just say you're taking an aqua dump and go out there where nobody's going to look for you he was even like behind a rock face almost so I feel like even from the beach you couldn't really see what he was doing so you're right that was a good call I feel like that was that did seem a lot easier than carrying a ball and chain through the forest or anybody could come stumble upon you and see you like what that's so suspicious like what you're holding like you can't you can't write that off or talk your way out of that um so that is this interesting call. Yeah. If I were Alex, I'd be like, what the hell, man? Yeah. I mean, this is something that we've talked about. I think it was last season, too, where a lot of the

beware advantages, like some seemed much easier to figure out than others. And I do feel like there's a little bit of a sense of unfairness there. Right. Now, I understand Survivor wants to keep everybody guessing. But yeah, there's, there was something a lot. little bit cagey about that whole component and also the fact that he had already told everybody so everybody knew where they needed to dig and then they were able to just like do this without him even being present I thought was really quite fascinating as well so good for him for having like a backup group of people to do the work for him but also in the same time it didn't appear to be as necessary because it wasn't a ball and chain it was really just a quick little dig

yeah yeah and I think that it does speak to Rizzo's game so far that he could or should I say Riz God sorry that he had all these people working for him without him even having to be there and there was no question in their minds of like are we gonna tell him that we dug this are we gonna like it was like very much like we're doing this for him like they were so excited to be able to do that for him yeah and I think of that I mean that's pretty impressive this early in the game well and I did yes and I appreciate the fact that it was also for somewhat selfish reasons as well they wanted him to have his vote back Right. So it's so it's like this weird combination of we want to do this for Rizzo. However, we also need to do it for us so that way he can have his vote there. So it was interesting that they were willing to be like, oh, okay, well, we're going to do this. I'm curious if they hadn't told him and they had just taken it upon themselves to complete the task and get the, the idol, I guess. Would he have gotten his vote? well I don't think they could have done it so I I believe if I am remembering right and I really should have gone back and listen because I think Rob talked about this and other people have talked about it but I would swear that on the most recent on fire podcast Jeff answered a question similar to that like what happens if someone else digs it up first and he said no it belongs to the person who got the beware advantage. So it would be like if you found an idol and you decided you didn't want it on your

person, so you went out into the forest and you dug a hole and you stuck it there, no other player could come and steal it from you. You know what? I, I, a hot take, I feel like it would be more interesting and more old school survivor if they just let like anybody, because if you decide to tell somebody that you have to be a right advantage and you share the information with them, it should be fair game. And I think that that would be more interesting. to see how people would turn each other when they knew that they could get this you choose to share that with people

that information and I feel you should really use that to your advantage if somebody gives you that information and so I think it's kind of I like that. I like that. I agree with you because it's the same as if you know in the in the olden days when you just got a clue you know well if you

if someone else saw that clue or someone else found it before you use that clue right yeah then they got it but because I think it's to avoid over-complicating the rules for themselves. Wait, what? Yeah, that they were just like, no, once you get to be, once you get the beware advantage, that ties into everything, so it's all yours from there out. Because I don't think they want to answer the question of, well, what happens if someone

else takes it, does he still not have a vote? Is it now their vote that, yeah, that's fair. Yeah. And so rather than think about that, they were just, like, no, we're not going to work. Yeah, a little complicated, but. Yeah. Again, I just like the messiness of, I like the messiness of allowing it. Yeah.

Well, and that's a great point because it can be messy without it being complicated, right? Like, if they would just simplify things, it would be so much more fun because I do think that right now there are so many extra layers to all of these advantages and all of these rules and all of these advantages with the wear and patch them and all of this stuff. Just let them be. Just let it. Just let it. people will play people will look for those idols people will try to go through other people's things and look for them so i yes the limitations are unnecessary just let them be let them yeah i feel like if you're doing a bear advantage and then it's also like this like incredibly complicated task to perform it's like why are you taking away their vote also or the threat of their vote also because it's already risky for them to have to go through this whole this like jump through all these hoops in front of or around their tribe to be able to get the advantage i feel like it

It should just be an advantage and not. And then that way, if it wasn't like your vote's getting taken away, it would be less complicated when you're talking about people, like, taking the information for themselves and trying to find it themselves. You know, I feel like it's just the taking away the vote thing that makes it the most complicated. And I honestly don't love the taking away the vote either because I feel like it's, yeah. Oh, yeah, I hate that. Yeah.

But that's why it says beware. Yeah. But the beware part would be like, you have to like carry a ball and chain through the forest. in front of your, like, you know, around your tribe. And, like, that's, that's risky enough. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what MC has to do where her task falls on this.

Oh, that's right. She has the other one. I'm like, is there a fairness judge that decides between the three tasks? Like, this is. I mean, they may, they could consider. I do feel like they had a guy. They did have a guy. Oh, they still have a.

They did. They did. I forgot about it. I did have a fairest. But it could be considered. fair to randomize it. You know, it could be considered fair to just say

well, we you know, we picked out of the hat to see which they would get. Fair gets complicated in a game like this. Yeah, is that fair sort of? But it doesn't feel fair when you make the guy on the disaster tribe

have to do more than the person on, you know, the tribe that has everything. So, yeah. So, yeah. Did you all see the disaster tribe? Because I feel like in previous seasons, I've been able to see the disaster tribe coming.

Did you all feel that way previously? No. No. Yeah, I feel like that. Because everybody looked at, everybody looked at Jake and went, well, they're fine.

Because you just presume that someone on the tribe has the ability to do a freaking puzzle. Yes. Yeah. It really was. Boy, were we all wrong? about that one. Yeah.

Yes, we definitely were very wrong about that. So. Well, it was just one tragedy after another with the snake bite

and down to two, man, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. So, yeah.

Well, and I do think the, and I know this isn't this season or this episode, but like with the snake bite stuff happening, I just think it's, I think it's fascinating

to see, the decisions that are being made in situations like that because I was curious if they were even still going to vote someone or still have a tribal council with him leaving because even Jeff referenced it this week that we're now doing a swap sooner than we would have done because Jake ended up leaving. So there are like certain components to this game

where they have to switch things up and change their decisions. But at the same time, it's structured in such a way that there has to be this like timeline of things. So it is interesting to see how those determinations are made like what is considered fair

in a game like this because when you are now doing a swap earlier based upon someone being taken out of the game but you still had a tribal council like I just want like I would love to know like those conversations like what's happening? I mean I'm sure it comes down to if he had gotten bitten

after the challenge, I don't think there would have been a tribal council. You don't think so. But because he was bitten before the challenge, what are they going to fill an hour and a half with? Oh, that's interesting. That's a fair point.

I mean, they need that challenge and the discussions that happen after it. You know, as it was, they still had, so they had the challenge. They had the discussions for tribal council. They had two people finding beware advantages, and they had all the snake bite stuff.

They needed all of that to fill the hour and a half. Yeah. They need some more excitement, that's for sure. Can I say I almost stepped on that snake? Not thinking about me, but I did. Me and the night producers, we were walking. It was like, we were on the Final Five beach and we were walking to an interview late at night

and he had his phone flashlight like guiding us. And he had said he had this just like strong intuition to point it towards the ground because it was like kind of more facing like directly. and we literally were like there was a sea crate that just like what we're right in front of us it was actually so crazy and he was like I had this like

this like moment of God I find to like shine the light down wow that was pretty crazy I know so when I saw that I was like it's like that's so tough because like you know you're out there in the wild and you're obviously like a little bit nervous about like a coconut falling on your head

or getting bitten by something or you know there's like or me I slept so close to the fire I feel like I almost caught on fire a couple of times like there's definitely danger out there but when it like actually happens like something severe it's like I can't even imagine what that experience is like and then having no control over being taken out of the game or not I mean even though this was a dry bite the fact that he was still like it was out of his hands

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has been acting when using religion in the game and I agree with what Rob said on Know Italls about how he has an issue with people in these games using it as a part of the strategy particularly and mainly because they will never admit

that they were using it as a part of their strategy. You know? Go all the way back to Coach when he had his, you know, religion tribe stuff. There's no way that Coach will ever say oh yeah, that was totally strategy. No. Right. And I

think that really nails the point because Because it would be one thing if she was pulling a Johnny Fairplay and saying to the cameras, yeah, my grandma isn't really dead, but it's part of my plan. Or in this case, obviously, it would be, you know, modified for her religious stuff. Like, yeah, you know, I'm religious, but I'm totally just using this, you know, to get in closer to them. But she's not going to do that. She's never going to admit that this is what she's doing. doing. And I mean, I don't think she'd even admit it to herself. This is a tricky subject. Yes. Because I do I do understand that component of it where people

don't necessarily want to admit that it's part of the strategy. However, if that is part of who you are on the daily and that's just how you live your life, inserting that into part of your game almost feels natural, I think, to that person. I know people who are very in tune with their religious beliefs and they do end up inserting it into their everyday practices and the things that they do. Whether or not then utilizing that as part of your game becomes an issue, I don't really know. Because it is, you take into the game who you are and the beliefs that you have and the the way that you act and there were certain parts of me

that I knew I needed to like I've said it before keep Jessica in the box like I couldn't really include those parts of myself but you have to be mindful of that going in and so I'm curious if like I don't know if it's necessarily

if that is who she is every single day and then she's also being that way on the island is it gameplay or is it just her being her and then that becomes part of her game I mean according to Sage she saw a change from the way she was on one tribe to the other. Sure.

And that is a good. And obviously someone who's out there seeing it is going to be a better judge relative to that. And I do think that you are correct, that she will never admit that no, that was a purposeful decision. And I was inserting that into my game on purpose in order to further my game. Yeah, I don't think she would ever want to acknowledge that because there does feel like, that's kind of icky, right? If that's what that's happening. Yeah. Yeah.

It's interesting, like, the taboo lines that you kind of tread with certain topics. Like, you can lie about your professional all day. You can, like, lay it on thick with this and that. But when it comes to, like, these, like, bigger, like, well, sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, I was going to say. I mean, she is taking a risk by doing it because part of Rule 5 is, you know, keep your politics and controversial beliefs to yourself. And she has.

Absolutely. Now, maybe she took a temperature check. Maybe she looked to see how everyone felt about it. But going all the way back to Brian in, God, what season was that? Are you talking when Brian had it? No, Brian Gordon. So was that, gosh, that was a long time ago. I did a video on this exact topic because he, talked about on the show

like his tribe was all like let's say grace before the meal and let's do this and let's do that he's like yeah this is not me but I'm in this tribe so I have to pretend sure so you know you've got that situation going on where

you know I've seen it on Big Brother too a few seasons ago one one woman came in right at the beginning and she's like is it okay if I say grace at the meal well at the very beginning of the game, no one's going to stand out and say no,

absolutely not. Because it's a game. But then she did it. Like she assumed that she knew these people's religious beliefs throughout the entire season. And, you know, it's if there are enough of those people

who don't agree with you, you can get voted out for that. I don't know that Shannon will. Sure. But even just, you know, on a human level, it's it's kind of like the you know the the coach on a football team saying well I'm going to say a prayer if nobody objects well no you're not going to object to your coach saying it even if you aren't the same religion as him yeah I mean it's this is all this is all part of what makes Survivor in even more difficult game to play because there are decisions that you have to make and you and I'm sure you did this too Cassidy before you went out there you have a very

you have to have a very real conversation with yourself. Like what part of me am I going to put out into the universe? What part of me am I going to introduce to the people I'm playing this game with? Because they can judge you for literally anything. And they will because they will look for any reason to vote you out. And I do think that there's something to be said about creating this part of yourself that then makes someone else feel uncomfortable for potentially, utilizing that as a reason to vote you out.

Like if any of the other players who might say, well, we should probably vote Shannon out because I don't agree with what she's, what she's saying and how she's, the religious component of it, then it's going to make that person feel a little icky and can have that effect on individuals. So it is, it's a very, it's a very difficult thing to do when you're playing a game with real people who have real lives and have to make these decisions about themselves and then to see the effects that those decisions can have on the game and how people perceive you and then what they want to do with that information. So yeah, it can become very, very concerning for

everyone, not just the person, not just the Shannon's, but the people who are with the Shannon's and who are having to make these decisions about the Shannon's and how do we want to deal with this because you're right if someone says well I want to say grace are you really going to be the first one to say well I I don't agree with that or are you just going to let it be but maybe that's not part of your own beliefs and so it's it's very very tricky for sure yeah I think um because I'm also somebody who I like I would say I am a spiritual person but um I did and I did have like some elements of that in my game like not really with my strategy but like I would go and meditate every morning on the beach I would do yoga generally I did it alone unless somebody wanted to

join me. Um, but it wasn't the way I like really push on to people. I just kind of sort of kept to myself. I connected with my sister and that was really just more for me to like get through the hard moments in the game. And, um, I didn't really, I wouldn't say really, I mean, it was a part of my personality because I mean, I did feel strongly about it, but I feel like I really kept that part of myself more to myself. Um, there was one side of me though, like where I, I just really don't like to see animal suffering or just like the like, you know what I mean? having to kill the hermit crabs and those things were like really like touchy for me and tough and I remember my brothers before I went out there were like don't do the animal thing when you go

out there because you're you know what I mean so it's like subjects like that and and there was a time when Ryan um on my tribe wanted to like kill a snake and I was like the snake was sleeping in the tree and so to me I was like it seems unfair that you're like trying to kill a snake that's sleeping rather than like if you can catch it you know and it's just like of course Ryan like didn't take that well and he like I think that was one of the like many reasons why he was like let's get cat you know we've kind of had this like riff yeah but it's really interesting like you're and obviously like a lot of people don't feel that way and so it's like your beliefs um and especially with touchy subjects like that can really cause like riffs in the tribe or can you know what I mean

like in Shannon's case obviously she's trying to bond with people through that way um but it can be a precarious like line to toe um when you bring like politics and like like your stronger beliefs and things into the game. And sometimes it is best to leave that, you know, like on the fringes more so than make it such a pivotal part of your game. But if she actually feels that strongly, like, who am I to say that like, you know what I mean? You shouldn't connect with people over like spirituality and religion.

Because if you're bonding with somebody and it like feels real to you in the moment, then I totally understand that. But then like how is it being perceived and how is it not even just like to the audience, but to people that are around you on your tribe and like, you know, you have to consider all of these things when you're playing. Because if you want to get to the end, you have to, like, really minimize the amount of reasons that you're hitting people against you. And so it's, I don't know, it's kind of a tricky thing. But, like, I understand her from a perspective of, like, she feels so strongly about this and, like, connected.

And she wants to connect with people that, kind of to other people about things that she, like, feel strongly about and loves. But, yeah, it can be a tough. Well, and it's even trickier because, okay, what happens when you form those, what other people? people think are real true connections. And then you vote them out. Yeah. You know, that is a hard thing to get over if those people are in the jury or if other people

see you do it. Now, one area where I disagree with Rob was he said that Shannon was using some things outside the game, like bonding with Christina over the death of Christina's mother a few years. as much as I hate to say it and you know sound like I might be defending it which I'm not nothing in the game is outside the game

when Johnny Fairplay pulled his stunt at the time I was very much against it I said that was outside the game he should not have done that that was that was terrible but my opinions on that have evolved all's fair and love war and survivor it's still, as you said, Jessica, icky.

And you need to be ready for blowback from viewers and from social media and from your fellow players. Yeah. You know, imagine what would have happened if the other players found out that Johnny Fairplay's grandmother was not really dead. Right.

While he was still on the island, he would have been gone like that. Right. For sure. You know? And so, this is where, you know, it becomes very difficult what Shannon is doing. I just, I would like to see her own it if she's truly doing it as strategy to help connect with people and things like that. But yeah, I don't think we'll ever see that, especially since, well, her beliefs have already changed since she's gotten off the island.

So do either you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we move into the rules for math? I think we're, I think we're 35 minutes in almost. We should probably talk about Matt. Probably, probably. All right. Well, there were, of course, sweating. Yeah.

There were, of course, other things going on. But I'll be putting some of that in my TikToks and YouTube shorts or YouTube as at David Bloomberg TV. But before we do get to how Matt did, we want to mention the rule. rules we're about to discuss, come in a shorter, much more colorful version in poster form. Go to rob has website.com slash yX lost feet, scroll down to the poster and click on it and order it. In addition to the poster, you can keep scrolling and find that design on a t-shirt, or you can keep scrolling and find the shirt that I'm wearing.

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Let's do an eBay sale for David Bloomberg's shirt. The shirt off his back tonight. That's right. That's right. like game used uniforms you know the podcast used t-shirt I do believe that some

Survivor players have sold their clothing from their game so those are playing I consider selling my bra but nothing else I actually weirdly enough weirdly enough I did sell

the same exact bra that I wore while I was out there like the sports bra but I didn't want to sell the one I had been wearing I'm like, that's a little bit. So I, but I rubbed it in the dirt outside and then send it. No, I was very, I was very clear like this is a replica and I like, um, I did like a handprint

on it and I wrote it. I did not pretend at all, but it was to raise, it was raised money for, um, breast cancer. So I. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. So that was. Yeah. But I was, I was also like, I really don't want to part like.

Yeah. I still have my unwashed clothes. I still have my unwashed clothes. like in a box like you can't like i can't believe matt was like man i don't need that stuff in my real life like oh whoa yeah that's yeah i don't know there if i got voted out like that you know i feel like maybe i'd be like yeah well let's talk about how he got voted out uh because as i mentioned as i mentioned earlier it would be easy to say matt just got swap screwed he told mike bloom i picked the wrong buff and that's why i went home not much i could have done i tried i went

out swinging. But is that why he went home? Was he doing all he could have? Did he really go out swinging? If you're guessing the answer to all of these questions is no, you are correct. And we're going to explain why. Because at RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why Matt lost. Now, the first and most important rule is, of course, two scheme and plot. Matt immediately gets a failing grade here because he said, I hate how Sandra played the game. Now, as soon as those words came across the TV, almost all of Blue Sky wanted him gone, except for one Bozo who argued with me

and had a whole bunch of bad takes on his timeline that nobody was reading because he had one whole follower. But now, I am kidding about Matt, sort of. We'll get to that in a bit. for now, it did look like he started out well in his original tribe, making a tight bond with Stephen and then expanding that into what could have been a core for. And even though MC was skeptical, I think Matt is right when he said in interviews that if original Heena had gone to tribal council, he probably would have been safe.

But then the swap happened and he ended up in the minority and it all went downhill from there because, quite frankly, he handled it in completely the wrong way. As he told Mike Bloom, I'm not going to start a campaign to keep me and get rid of Jason. Here, I think we know why that ended up happening, because he did actually describe himself at the very beginning of this game, pregame, that he was loyal to a fault. And I think we saw that just beaming here by not throwing Jason under the bus, which I get to understand. You like Jason. You think he's a great human being and you want to be able to play the game. But this is a game for a million dollars.

And when it comes down to it, you have to make a choice. And the choice would have been, I have to throw Jason under the bus. I apologize. But a game for a million dollars. So, yeah, I do think that that was not a great strategy. decision at all. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like in Survivor, when you're like the, you know, that honorable, like,

I'll die on my sword before I give you to my enemy. It's like, you die on your sword usually. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You think that it's like you're going to be saved in this last moment by like your heroics, but a lot of time, unfortunately in the game of Survivor doesn't like, doesn't pan out that way.

And the thing is that when you go in like, and I, and I admire that truly like that honorable spirit and that loyalty like I do admire that especially like in real life like those character traits are so like important and like you know what I mean it's it's it's it's it's impressive like when you live that way because I feel like it's so easy to like in our world's like not and I sure it's like so I want to give credit where credits do but in the game of Survivor it's a different set of rules and you all sign up to play this game like by these these rules where it's like basically anything goes I mean you know obviously with caveats but it's like lie seat chill back so like do whatever you can to get to the end of the game and I feel

like that's more of the like vibe of survivor and um and so I think that when you come into this game with those like still real life principles and you're not willing to sacrifice that even a little bit like yes while it is honorable it's probably not going to win you a million dollars and so it's like is it worth is it worth your honor in that moment I mean for some people it is and I think that that's like you know what I mean all the more power to them like I really do. respect that. But, but it's not like you're doing something wrong in the game of Survivor by doing,

like by going against your scene because we all know what we signed up for is, is what I'm getting at. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's like playing a game of chess. It's not stealing candy from a baby, you know what I'm all adults here.

Yeah. You know, if you play a game of chess, you're not going to be like, oh, well, I couldn't put you in checkmate, but,

you know, I feel bad for the king. So, you know, I'm not going to do that. I'll just, I'll just, to take this pawn over here instead, you know?

Or, I mean, you know, any game. We've compared it to so many games over the years. And, you know, if you, if someone lands on your space and monopoly, are you not going to charge them because, oh, well, you know, they don't have much money in the game. So I, I don't want to knock them out. It is still a game, yeah. Right.

It's not like real life. And you end up putting yourself in a really bad. spot if you are going against the majority in the way that he was where all of a sudden he's now throwing Nate under the bus instead of Jason and so you are again in a game when they are looking for a reason to vote people out and you are literally handing them a reason because what did Nate say he's like he's dead to me that's it like he said my name so you you don't understand the the relationships of the other four you have no idea how close they are. You are trying to read a room that you've just entered into and you see Nate

as the as the leader and saying, oh, well, this will be the big move that we target him, we get him out without thinking about all of the other things that come with that. And I really feel like he did not really process all of the components of this because they had the majority. Unfortunately, they had the majority and he was not part of it. You need to become part of it as opposed to working against it. Jason was doing the same thing. Jason was like Heena, I'm Heena Strong. So both of them were like locked in this idea of what they had been

as opposed to what they could become. Whereas you had Sophie, she was like, take me in. I am with you like 100%. And that's the approach you have to take because that's going to get you inroads. That's going to get you connections. That's going to get you further in the game. and then you can try to make those big moves later if you really feel that it's still necessary

but at that moment when you're just getting to know each other that's not the time it's really no time it was it was truly too early and then also the fact that he he he did recognize that like Nate sort of was I mean maybe this wasn't entirely true but like Nate felt like the ringleader to him and I do think Nate holds a lot of sway and like respect in that group from what I've seen obviously I don't know for sure but I think that like even choosing to go after him

was like you you just met these people and like the odds of you being able to rally them all against that they're like perceived king in that moment it's just like so slim and you have to have the most charismatic like incredible personality to like

and just like perfect set of circumstances to ever be able to pull something like that off so it was just such a shot in the dark unintended I respect him for trying to like pull a move you know what I mean because like a lot of people are scared and we'll immediately throw the other person under the bus. And so I do respect that

like he tried to like actually make something happen without having to sacrifice one of his own. But it's just when it's so early and it's, you know, you're you basically is like Hina versus um, that's the other time. Oolie. That's what I mean. That's that's yeah.

And he knows who's Oolie? It's like you know what I mean? It's like most more than likely just going to, that's how the the chips are going to fall in this vote. And so you just have to do what you can to just make it one more one more boat you know what i mean even if it means sacrificing one of your own unfortunately but you don't know these people that well right i mean matt needed all the six days that will that will bond you yeah yeah and then he's like to hate each other on the seventh day

he needed to follow sandra's creed even though he said he was willing to go with anybody but him he actually wasn't that was just a decoy for nate while he went all in on his tunnel vision plan to target Nate. And he told Mike Bloom, I thought this was a bigger, better, bolder move. And if it worked, it would have been awesome.

Yeah. Well, it was bigger and bolder, definitely not better. And, you know, with that said, there was apparently more

to the whole situation than what we saw. Matt said in interviews that he and Jawan talked about it for much, much longer. And they also involve

Jason and Sophie in those conversations to come up with a plan. Of course, the main problem is that both Jawan and Sophie, ran those plans right back to the other original Uli. And, you know, one reason that they did that was the plan didn't make sense.

You know, Matt claimed that for Joanne turning on Natewood, move him from the bottom to a power position as the guy who saved them. That's not the way it works. He'd be trading in like a fifth or sixth position for a seventh or eighth position while also pissing off all of his fellow Uli. Yeah. And it didn't make sense for Sophie because as Matt admitted in tribal council, he, quote, had no idea that Sophie had been taken in.

So even aside from that, of course, it was smarter for the untethered single player to get in with the clear majority group rather than joining some rag tag rebellion. So, you know, even if he didn't know that, just take a look at the situation. It's a bad idea for Joanne. It's a bad idea for Sophie. So this is who you're proposing this plan to. Yeah. And I do think there's something to be said about this idea when you play Survivor.

You're like, oh, if that works, that would be so awesome. But how many times have we actually seen those moments in Survivor? We're like, if this actually works, this is going to be so great. It's feeling far between. Those moments do exist, but they exist when you have. have more than just one person creating this idea, this plan. And he

was one person who was trying to convince others that he knew very little about of this. This could be so awesome idea. When Joanne, no, it's not so awesome for Joanne. Yeah, you need to be like a cult-like figure to be able to pull off moves like this.

That's certainly like a Boston or a hub or something. And speaking of San, I know you mentioned Sandra, like, briefly. This is actually very funny. When I was watching it last night, I had my, like, subtitles on and I, and every time the subtitle said Xander. Yes, I've heard that from several people that. I was so confused. I don't remember Sander, like, playing like that, but okay.

And then I heard, I listened to Rob has a podcast like this morning. And I, and they were saying Sandra. And I was like, that makes someone more sense. But I thought that was really funny. I think it is funny. He really does not like Xander's game. I'm like, what? I just didn't understand the, like, animosity.

but Sandra makes a lot more thumbs. Yeah, yeah. I do think it's funny that clearly it was the Survivor subtitlers who or your closed captioned people who messed it up, you know, because it wasn't just like a live situation where someone randomly picked Xander. Yeah, yeah. They must not have a Zander. Yeah.

Yeah, they clearly were not a survivor fan. Yeah. They're only new school fan. that Xander is the only way. Exactly. They're like, that's all I hear, all I hear, Xander. Yeah. Now, as I said earlier,

the obvious thing that Matt should have done is turn on Jason. But he wouldn't, you know, Rob asked Matt if he feels he should have gone harder after Jason. Matt said, no, he's a massive fan of Jason. He added to Gordon Holmes that he wasn't going to do that.

Quote, I'm not going to play that game. But as we were saying earlier, I'm not sure what game he thought he was playing. because that is the game. It's him or you? I don't know. I mean, that's really what it boils down. Yeah.

All right. Well, we can move to the second rule which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. We could have talked about his plan to target Nate here. I consider that to be bad strategy rather than over scheming.

So, I mean, as we discussed, he obviously picked the wrong path. With that in mind, well, yeah, yeah. With that in mind, Cassidy, did you see any issues with Matt in this rule? With the scheming and not scheming pot too much. I mean.

With over scheming, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was, I don't want to like, I don't want to gripe on him for trying to make a move because this was like potentially his last chance to actually do that. And I feel like maybe he felt like he was back into a corner and this is like my last time

to like actually play the game and he didn't really get a chance to play the game when he was on a winning tribe so I think maybe he was like let me like this may be my last chance to actually do something and so I don't want to like go

go too hard on him for that because I feel like that was really where he was coming from but yes obviously it wasn't like the best plan and the best strategy and it didn't work it didn't work in his favor but I do think he was just like trying to play the game you know even if it wasn't the best

the best decision. He tried to make something happen. So I'll all, I'll plot him for that. All right, Bloomberg. Get into it. Well, no, I mean, we've already talked about it. So I mean, you know, Jessica,

I don't know if you had anything else to add for the second rule. No, I mean, it's just, it's much of what we've discussed. I understand, as Cassidy did say, that you have to, sometimes you feel like you have to do something, but there's so many considerations. that you have to make when you are deciding what path

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I don't think he did very well, considering he was so unwilling to throw Jason under the bus. And again, I get it. You like people and you don't want to do that. You don't want to have to turn on someone that you've been playing the game with. But if you don't make that decision, then you might not continue to play the game. So I do think that he needed to work on the flexibility, even though he might try to claim and people might say, well, but look at him. He was coming up with ideas and he was willing to go after Nate. And so he was willing to try new things and not just go along with what the crowd was doing.

Sure. And that makes sense. But at the same time, he was so locked in to Heena, this idea of Heena that I think he lost sight of this is actually an individual game. Even though you're part of a tribe, you are still like playing for yourself. And he needed to be more cognizant of that with the decision to his making. Do you all think that like their perspective of coming out of like, like, you know, especially more so with Jason like talking about Heena and like how he like is loyal to them? Do you think in his mind he's like, I don't want them to see me as like a flaky person

just in case they want to work with me in the future so they see that I'm loyal because I feel like there's like such a time rope that you walk with like immediately being like I'll turn on like whatever. Like I want to be with y'all and people think you're flaky and they can't trust you versus like this obviously didn't work well in Jason's favor although it worked well enough for him to say because Matt kind of messed up in his own right.

But it's like, do you think that from Jason's directive he was like trying to show that he will be loyal to the people he wants to work with or like Because to me, going into it, I mean, like, I'm Heena Strong. There's nothing you could do about it to the tribe that you're like on the outs or when you're like in the minority, it doesn't seem like a very smart move. So I'm trying to understand his, also his perspective of was he just trying to show that he's a loyal player, maybe?

Yeah, we didn't, I mean, we didn't really hear from him directly as to what his thought process was in doing it. I think he just believed he was in trouble no matter what. So he chose the path of, you know, because he did in the end vote against Matt. Yeah. You know, he didn't have that same unwillingness that. Yeah, he just gave the other tribe that he was like totally he and strong, right?

Like we didn't see much of the conversation, but that was like the taste that was left in their mouth. So. Yeah, I, I think the problem, you know, with Matt was like, like you said, Jessica, he was locked in on one plan. he admitted in interviews that that one plan was a Hail Mary and yet he still did it I mean yes there are times

when you have to throw a Hail Mary you know but this was not one of those times yet he came in to the fourth quarter being like okay I'm down a couple points I'm going to throw Hail Mary and everybody should have been looking at him

like okay coach but we've got a whole quarter here we have time to to talk this through maybe run a few other plays and see what happens you know maybe maybe go after this person and instead nope I'm throwing the Hail Mary and there's nothing you can do to talk me out of it and even when he thought he was likely to get voted out he never changed course and yeah he just it was he came to a fork in the road and ignored the most obvious path, which was to go after Jason. And he was like, nope, I'm going to, instead of taking this road, this highway, I'm going to take this treacherous foot path off to the side here.

I am curious, too, if part of this decision stemmed from his idea of old school survivor. And I love old school survivor. so I'm not speaking ill of it. But he really saw himself as a provider and someone who was like taking care of the tribe. And so perhaps he thought, well, maybe I'm tossing this Hail Mary, but at the same time, look at all the things I'm doing for these people. And I'm giving them food and I'm providing for them.

And in his mind, he thought that that was much more significant and important than someone like Nate who is just the child. tribe leader but what is he providing and someone like jason who is a puzzle guy and we need someone who can do puzzles so i i feel like also like he was kind of locked into that idea of what he thought survivor should be as opposed to what survivor is unfortunately survivor skills as much as it's it should be important it is called survivor um it's it's not going to make a break whether or not you will be kept on a tribe when decisions need to be made in moments like this.

And so I'm curious if that was part of his issue here as well, is that he just couldn't get away from that idea of what he thought the game was. Yeah, and I also think that in his mind, like he'd been providing and doing these things for his tribe for six days or whatever, however long it's been. And then he comes to this newer tribe and all, like, really, it's only his words about for like,

I can do all these things, right? like how much time did he actually have to prove to these four people that he will be that for them? You know, obviously in his mind, he's been doing this for so long. So he feels like very valuable. And I think sometimes, and I probably did this also in my season where I like had this idea of like how I'm being perceived because I am being this way. But I forget that like people haven't on the newer tribes, like the people that I merged with haven't had the time to actually see this from me. And like and see like these parts of my personality and like that are valuable that. like they haven't had enough time to like garner.

And I think that it may be something like that where he like knows that he's valuable and he's done all this first drive. And he just assumes that other people are going to perceive that as well when it takes more time to actually prove these things to people that you've just met. And so maybe that was part of the issue as well.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's, and I was trying to figure out where to bring this up. Because I didn't know. I think you're right, Jessica. I think it's the mindset. He thought Survivor should be like this. Yeah.

And that's why he didn't like Sandra's anybody but me. And that's why he thought survival skills should be more important. And that's why, you know, and I think it's part of his overall mindset. And you should stay loyal to your ally. Right. You know, and so even though I do think that, you know, you pick the example. exact right place. This is a rarity where I say, you know, that you pick the exact right rule to discuss

this in. Look at you. Oh, look at me. I'm not getting yelled at from moving ahead. Oh, my God. Because I do think, yeah. I do think that that's really the situation that he, he was not flexible in his thoughts about what survivor is.

And, and he's. David you're right for agreeing with me thank you I have a question do you all think this is more of like a generational thing

where like they come from a different generation where that's like those are like the values that were very much instilled in him and I feel like with these younger people younger players it's like you know as the times have changed it's more about like the line, the scheme and the productivity

to like, let's get it at any cost. Like I feel like the values of the generations are different. And I'm sure you, Jessica, also know, like with the season that you played where it was like Gen X versus Millennials, you probably saw some of that too. So do you think that that's part of it? It's just like. I think it certainly can be.

I know that there was a certain mindset with the tribe I was on as more of that like you work hard for the things. that you want to acquire as opposed to, well, I want these things because I looked at an app and it told me this is what I have to do to, you know, acquire these things. And so I do think that it is potentially a generational thing. But I've also seen people that have played this game who are still of that same kind of mindset and it's not necessarily attached to their generation so it might just be how they were raised um and this is something that we were talking about with shannon earlier you know that there are certain components of yourself that you bring into this

game and matt was very clear in his pregame interviews that this was going to be part of what he was going to be doing because he grew up like outside and he was outdoors all the time and he is an outdoorsy person and so for him making fire and for having to survive in the elements not difficult for him at all. And so it's probably a combination of both, like how he was raised, but then also he is part of his generation because he's, he's not, I mean, they were talking about smash pros and he's like, I don't know what I do what this is. Like, I have no clue. I'm going to go make a fire. That's what he knows how to do. So, yeah, I mean, I do think that that's probably part of it, but I do think it's also just part of who he was coming into the game. I think it's, I mean,

I'm older than him and I don't think the way he does so it's not purely generational I think it's I think this is something we talked about a little bit Jessica with Rob on episode two that there is this

thought that oh back in the old days of Survivor it was like this but it wasn't it really almost never was I used to have a rule i've talked about this before that said providing food wins allies and that was the first rule i dumped because it didn't it it you know there were still some people who thought that but i mean

it doesn't take long to get to boston rob's first season where he gets rid of hunter the biggest strongest guy there yeah you know and so you you have this concept it's you know the the good old days fallacy. Oh, things were always so much better in the good old days. This is the way of what? No. Richard Hatch won season one. He wasn't.

Yes, he went out and finished. That's so true. I mean, he went out. He was sitting in a tree. He's not the typical, like, survivor guy. I mean, he had more survival skills. He was the most, like, nefarious, like, almost sort of, like, crazy one. He won it for scheming and plotting and everything else, you know, I mean.

God, what an incredible season. Yeah. I love Borneo so much. It's my favorite. So, so yeah, it's, uh, it, it, some people get it in their heads. This is the way it should be played. Right. They're just wrong.

So, you just have to be able to adapt. Like, I think from all the seasons we've seen, I think that that is a mindset that you should come in with. It's like by now you should know if you watch enough survivor that that stuff just doesn't really cut it. Right. Yeah. Like, it can.

be definitely like a good addition to your game and a good like reason for people to keep you but it can't be the only reason. Right, exactly. Mm-hmm. Yes. All right. Well, we could go to the first rule.

Sorry, I was kissing my cat if anybody was wondering what about that. I'm sorry. Fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. Cassidy, speaking of emotions, what do you think of how Matt did here?

speaking of emotions well with the kid with the cat with the cat um sorry could you repeat the question i got distracted the cat the cat how do you think matt did in terms of you know not letting his emotions control um obviously he didn't seem overly emotional he seemed pretty calm and like he was trying to be strategic and i don't think he like had an emotional operas or anything but I think that his emotions, as far as Jason it was concerned, was what was his downfall. I think him just like, like, wanting, like seeing Jason as like this like good guy, this friend. And of course, you feel that way about these people that you bonded with. And you've had, I mean, the beginning of Survivor, like the first few days that the bonding that you have with your tribe, if you're lucky.

And you have like a good set of people is really hard to describe. And you do feel a lot for these people very early. even you're like six days like how much can you actually care but you do feel this like this like intense bonds and obviously you're going through a very like intense situation together too which bonds are even quicker but and so I think that his like attachment to Jason was really like the emotional downfall that he had um of just like not being willing to sacrifice him because yeah I yeah other than that I think you know like he wasn't I mean I don't know I think that that was really the biggest emotional like that he had was just like not wanting to turn on Jason because he he felt strongly about him.

But at the end of the day, you just, you know, it's you, it's you, it's you got to, you, it's, you're there for you. And you're obviously your other reasons that you have, your family and you're, but it's like you have to, you just have to put that aside. Even though it's so hard, I felt that way all the time. Like, especially when we, like, speaking of Lindsay, like, she was just on your podcast. When we voted Lindsay out, that was like one of the hardest votes for me. because I loved her so much like already at that point but I just didn't know

I was like but when I came back for my interview they're like we're voting Wednesday I was like but I had no time to like really you just have to be like anybody but me like really back to Sandra like at that point when it is when your back is against the wall you have to you kind of have to adopt that mindset

in order to survive like in this game you know you can go out with your like morals and all that but if you really want to survive in this game you have to at least be willing at times even though it's so hard and you love these people so much and you think they're amazing and they deserve the million it's like but you really like you have to put yourself first unfortunately and that can be very difficult you know at times but that's what that's what I think long winded answer yeah I mean I agree I think it's pretty clear Matt was controlled by his emotions after the swap with you know when it came to Jason you know it wasn't because of his

strategic plans it was he was a big fan he loved him et cetera and yeah i mean you said it you said it well you can't allow that to be your guide it was literally a choice between the two of them right and that's the game he signed up for yeah so yeah i mean the thing is the thing that gets me and jessica you mentioned this already that matt knew this was an issue for him coming into the game yeah he told mike bloom in the pre-game interview that his kryptonite was quote i'm loyal to a fault i need to make sure that when i make friends and alliances i keep my distance and realize we're playing a game there's a million dollars on the line and there's one winner he knew this he knew and when he saw the kryptonite he picked it up

and he held it he licked it yeah i mean you got to love when people are to so authentically themselves, though. And when it's like loyalty is your kryptonite, you're doing all right. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, you lost a million dollars. But a human being,

you're doing all right. Right. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. For sure. I don't know how you could say he's doing all right. He's clearly a sociopath.

Just ask, just ask Savannah. I mean, of course. They're charming, though. Yes. Or the psychopath. I can't remember.

I don't remember either. But we'll get to that in a bit. But for now. Well, we should just mention, you know, salespeople were the issue previously. Now it's finance managers. You know, now this is going to be the hood. Yes. Yeah, we'll get.

We'll get to that. Yeah, I always say it's, it's funny because, like, what's funny to me is whenever, like, lawyers are like, I can't tell anybody I'm a lawyer. And then people find out there are a lawyer and they're like, okay. But then it's like, all of a sudden, is branch manager of a finance company. It's like, you wouldn't, you like, that's it. You know, now that's the new lawyer, or not even, because I feel like lawyer, he didn't think it was a big deal. He was a branch manager, whereas lawyers think it's a big deal there are lawyers. And anyways, yeah.

Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And I think Matt was doing fine in this regard, at least for now. It did seem to take a little while for him to socially integrate himself in his original tribe. And it was hampered a bit by the age gap. But like I said earlier, I think if they had gone to tribal council in that tribe, he would have been fine. And he really didn't have time to do much socially either good or bad in his new tribe. So I don't think it was a factor here. Yeah.

And I know he and Stephen bonded very quickly. So he did seem to have the ability to make the relationships that were necessary. He had a quick four, even though MC didn't really like that she came in as late as she did, which he said was by like 30 seconds. But I think overall, he integrated himself better than I thought he was necessarily going to be able to do. I thought that he and Stephen were likely going to bond because of the pregame interviews and press. So he did seem to find that balance at the beginning. And I do think, yeah, if they had gone to tribal council, he likely would have been fine. Yeah.

Now, I do want to mention something that Matt told Mike Bloom. he said how different it would have been if they'd have put Annie, Nate, and me all on the same tribe where we did have that commonality with the older people. Instead, we were split, one on each tribe. And I don't know if that was intentional. I don't know what makes good TV. But I think it would have been interesting

to have some other players on my initial tribe closer to my age. And I completely agree. This is a problem. You know, we've seen it before. And it is similar, not exactly the same by any means, but similar to what they used to do with people of different races. They throw one on each tribe and say, see how diverse we are, except that one person would have no one they could really connect with.

And you have the same situation here. And it's, you know, yes, sometimes an older player can integrate themselves like Nate has done. But then you have other situations where they can't, so many other examples, point the other way that often Jessica, when we do our preview podcast, we'll be like, well, this is the one person who's 20 years older than everyone else. I don't know how well they're

going to do. And so I think it's interesting that he brought that up. Honestly, it may have been the most important thing he brought up and I think Jeff should listen to this. Now, Jeff was asked a question

on his on fire podcast about doing a golden survivor, kind of a survivor version of the Golden Bachelor. And he said there really aren't enough people applying of that age range to make it work. Which, fine. I get that. But

certainly there are enough to put more than one person over the age of 40 on a tribe. Give them a little. Get my mom on there. She is so buff.

My mom is like 10 times stronger than I am. Is she applying? Well, I don't know if she can because apparently people in your family can't apply to Survivor. That's what I was told.

That's what I swear to God I was like in one of the contracts or something. It was like people of your family can't apply. Am I losing my mind? I think you're losing your mind. I've never. You've got to be out of your contract by now.

Well, I don't even know who was it. Yeah, I don't even was like something I had signed at one point It was like, you or your family members can not, like, a, what? I think someone's messing with you. No, I swear.

All right, well, mom. Well, anyway, get your mom on. Get your mom on there. She, no, she's, like, so, she's, like, abs. And, like, she's so strong. She's got to me, like, back on my fitness track, because I'm, like, mom, I, like, you're an inspiration. She's incredible.

But, yeah, she would crush it in, like, a golden survivor or just, like, as, a person on Survivor in general. But yeah. Also, can I say that Nate? Nate looks like my grandpa. Not in like a way that he looks old. Like, I don't want to see like he looks old.

Their faces are like the same. He's just like it's just like a different skin tone, but they look so similar. I'm like, it's like tripping me out. Yeah. So I like love Nate for that reason also. And I like, I don't know. Yeah, it's just kind of crazy.

Anyways, I know. All right. Well, we could go to the sixth rule, which warns against being too much of a threat. And we know Mad is a threat because, as we said, a dozen years ago, he was a manager in finance. Oh, of course. And like we mentioned, those people are all sociopaths. You know what? It's amazing.

He didn't just murder them all in their sleep. He's such a sociopath. You got to be cutthroat to survive in a world like that. Come on. literal, literal cutthroat. That's it. Yeah, that was a hot take. She seems more cutthroat than any of the.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes, isn't that what you do, like people living at glass houses, like often throw stones and they should. Yeah, it's like you're, whenever you want it, whenever you don't want other people to call you that, then you call them that first. Right. Exactly. So that you're covered.

Especially since now, think about what question she asked him that got to this. What did you do before? then. Well, that's the one question she doesn't want to answer because she's in marketing, except until recently she was a reporter and she doesn't want to tell people she was a reporter. So she would not have answered this question the way he did. You know, and obviously, this whole thing cooked up by Savannah is ridiculous because first, by claiming all people who rose up the chain in finance were like that. Second, for not recognizing that he had left that field a long time ago, because it wasn't for him, which might indicate that he's not a

sociopath, even if, even if you say all the other people in that field are, he left because he didn't like it. Yeah. But with all of that said, I don't know why Matt told him that. He didn't plan to coming in. He could have just said he always worked at the airport. And, you know, he basically said that to Mike Bloom. And even if he did say he worked in finance, he didn't need to add that he was a manager and then kept moving up the chain.

So, I mean, even without the whole sociopath thing, that indicates a higher and theoretically more complex level of intelligence that could be seen as threatening in Survivor. Sure. And I think, again, this goes back to what we were talking about earlier. when you go into this game you have to prepare yourself for those parts of yourself that you want people to know about and the parts that you don't

and what are you willing to share and how are you willing to share that information and his explanation of well you know no one had asked me what I did before well if you had walked into the game with the idea of I don't want anybody to know that well then you should have been prepared

to answer that question if ever asked and so you know again this is when you are preparing yourself to play this game you have to work through all of these versions and you have to decide what it is you want to share because again people will look for any reason to vote you out

and now you are a sociopath because you are a finance manager yeah I feel like I almost feel like sometimes people can't help themselves like with their own accomplishments and not even like it's an ego like he's like ego driven but I think sometimes people

like nobody's asking and he's like it's too excited to tell them like I did have this like a accomplishment of my life and you know what I mean I think people almost can't help themselves but to tell that and that's fair like people are excited to talk about their accomplishments and that you know you worked hard for that

but it's not worth it in this platform specifically you know what I mean you would tell everybody yeah final tribal by the way yeah yeah exactly but also can I say really quick is the report I know I said earlier the branch manager thing about the lawyer but is the reporter the new lawyer where like you think

it's a big habit it's like Is it being a reporter a threat? I wouldn't think so. I mean, in the past, being a reporter has been more of a fun thing. You know, we had Devons. We had Sam, you know, and even at the beginning, Savannah was doing a, and this is Savannah reporting on, you know, I, but. Like, yeah, you're good at like, you know, like speaking on the spot and like,

but when you put a person. Susting people out. It feels less. Yeah, yes, that's true, I guess. like when you're if you're doing like journalism and like you're like scoping out cases and things I think yeah I mean would I be worried

to play I don't know yeah would I be worried to play against like the the local TV news reporter from from the town that I'm in no no I would not be worried about that you know would I be worried about playing against you know Barbara Walters in her prime yeah probably sure you know a little bit of a difference there I do want to say even with all this said and I know other people have spent more time on this like and the show even made it a focus I think of oh here's a reason that he lost

Matt told Rob that that conversation happened just a few hours before tribal council and he didn't think it had much of any impact I just suspect he's mostly right I mean I will say Nate wanted Matt out Savannah and Rizzo wanted Jason out with Savannah determining that Matt's a sociopath that could have

helped swing her over if there was still a debate going on or she might have just even used it as a rationalization why it was okay for her to switch I really think Nate's position against Matt

was going to win the day regardless Oh yeah I yes I 100% agree again you're looking for reasons, sure. But anything to like add fuel to the fire, I think is probably what we were seeing

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that had the big suspicious looking hole in it they would never ever hide an idol there but yes it was to the point that Stephen pulled him aside and told him people on his original tribe were already talking about it very early the problem was that Matt told Mike Bloom

I really am not going to go out on the island and not look for an idol and not try and find an advantage and not try and play the game and that's the issue here it goes back to this mindset he had you know we were talking about is it about a more old school way of playing i mean idols aren't old school per se but i think that he was locked into this mindset he equated hunting for idols as this is the way to play the game but that's not it's a part of the game it is within the game

but the game as a whole is all of the first six rules that we just discussed. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, and I, again, I also, I really do feel like there's this, there's a problem now with the old school mentality with the new era of Survivor, right? Because even if Matt is thinking, well, I have to go find idols, you're not finding an idol. you're finding a beware advantage that might lead you to an idol. And so if you're kind of locked into this idea of what survivor used to be, it's not what survivor is.

And so you have to be able to recognize that and make the corrections needed because it's not just finding an idol. It's finding something that might be problematic for your game unless you're able to work through all of the many rules and regulations that come attached with the beware advantage. yeah yeah um now again i think that it's you know just like i said it's it's part of his overall mindset but he never found an idol anyway and his original tribe never voted so that never came into play it's more just a a look inside his head more than anything but one thing that did come into play or i guess did not come into play was he had a an opportunity to at least play his shot in the dark for a one and six chance of sticking

around but he didn't pretty much every interviewer asked him about that because he said well after he would say i was pretty sure my plan wasn't going to work they were all like well did you consider playing your shot in the dark and he was like no i was never going to do that because what if my plan worked what if joan jason and sophy all voted against Nate and I was the one who didn't I would have looked stupid but if you think there's a 90%

chance you're going home and that your plan is not going to work well then you should play your shot in the dark because that was 90% coming in before he realized that Sophie had been

adopted by the original Ouli players now Yeah, did you make that realization during tribal council? No, he, well, yes, yes. When she said it, they talked about it there. Right, but I didn't know if that was where it kind of clicked for him. Yes, because, I mean, he said coming in, he was 90% likely to get voted out. And I've made fun of these percentages pulled out of thin air before.

But if you are going to do math in your head and you believe that you have at most a 10% chance of surviving tribal council well then it's better to have a 16.7% chance of using your shot in the dark hate that I want to agree with that it's just shouldn't be a thing it's just shouldn't be a thing but regardless yeah he's just again he was so stuck in this mindset well I don't want to look stupid if my plan works sure it was never going to work right so all right well we can go to appendix a which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we talk about voting out the weak than the strong then the weak than the strong in a situation like this there are two reasons to consider a player weak alliance and challenge ability

these are things we've talked about for the last few weeks unfortunately for matt he was on the wrong side in both areas because obviously he was not not part of the original Uli tribe. So that put them outside their alliance. And if they were voting based on challengeability, well, if there's a future puzzle challenge, everyone knows Jason is the guy to keep for those.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, Matt. Oh, go ahead. I was just to say Matt told Mike, he really was a game changer. And after a couple of days there, why the hell would you get rid of Jason?

Right. yeah that's true maybe he even felt like going into it that they were going to keep jason no matter what they may he may not even realize the like hesitancy that some of the players on who he had about keeping jason and then just thought like he's an obvious shoe in so like what can i do can i make a big move to save myself because maybe he thought like they would see him as like an invaluable or like a more valuable resource if he had said that in his interview i would have considered that possibility, but he didn't. I mean, his reasons were all emotional, you know, he just, he just talked about the early,

you know, on the early Hina days about, oh, well, of course, everybody was, you know, why not to keep Jason then. So, I mean, you know, Matt talked about being stronger in challenges in other ways, but, you know, we saw this week what they saw. He stepped up for the balance beam portion and stepped off three times. you know which put them behind and they did not lose this challenge by much meaning if he had made it across on his first time they might well have won yeah I do wonder why he like had nominated himself for the first portion he said he wanted it in his own hands he wasn't really thinking anyone would throw but he didn't want to end up losing because someone else screwed up okay so he'd rather Take the chance. Yeah.

Now, do I think his challenge weakness compared to Jason was a primary reason they decided to vote him out? Probably not. But, you know, we keep having these little small points against him. And I think the main issue there was he specifically named a target. Nate, one of you brought it up much earlier, you know, and Nate was obviously unhappy about that. you know meanwhile jason was seen as not being committed to this tribe but that's not as big a sin as being committed to getting one of them out and naming that before yeah absolutely you know plus i agree with you know mark this day down also i agree with what stephen said on know it all that

it's it's better even for savannah to keep jason who is at least straightforward about his plans we talked about this he said i want to do this. Okay, he's being honest about it, as opposed to Matt, who tells Nate, well, I'm anyone but me, but then is immediately scheming with other people to get rid of Nate. Right. Yeah. So, so yeah. That all makes sense. All right. Well, it is about time to wrap things up. Cassidy, what are your final thoughts about math i you know i love his dreads i thought he seemed like a cool individual um it is unfortunate that i think like he got put into a bad situation and maybe made it a little bit

worse i do think he he tried to fight in his own way whether it was like the right decision or not i still respect that he like tried to like make something happen um and you know i'm sad to see him go I'm sad to see them all go, but yeah, I don't know. I thought he seemed cool. He did seem cool. He did seem cool. I will say that there were two things about Matt

that I noted right from the beginning when I was going through his pre-game press. And that was he stated that he will be doing everything risky and he is loyal to a fault. And we've already talked about him being loyal to a fault. And we've indicated as well his willingness to do everything risky, ultimately naming Nate. And so I think that he was unfortunately very aware of his faults coming into this game,

but he didn't see them necessarily his fault, even though he said he's loyal to a fault. Like if you have to kind of like put those things together. Like you know that you're a loyal person, but you have to recognize how that might work against you in a game like Survivor. And you also need to recognize that making risky decisions can also work against you in a game like Survivor. And I think Matt had an idea in his head of what Survivor should be. I think there's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking happening with Matt where he's like, I should have come in like Tony and I should have just like tore up the island and been crazy. And then maybe they would have noticed me and I've done all these things.

And it's like, no, that's Tony's style. That's not your style. And, you know, anybody but me, I don't like Sanders' way of playing, but I'll say that that's Sandra's style. Like, you have to figure out when you play this game what's going to work for you as a person and everything you're bringing into it. And so I really do think that Matt struggled really truly understanding his place in a game like Survivor. He came in with this idea of survival skills and the things that he's going to be able to bring to the table, recognizing issues that he's going to present, but not necessarily recognizing them as issues. playing a game that put his entire self at risk instead of making himself the number one

priority for his game. And so I do think that overall Matt had an idea of what the game needed to be for him. But unfortunately, that game was not appropriate for the game that he wanted to play based upon everything he brought to the table. And so I just think that Matt's headspace with what Survivor is unfortunately is not what his game turned out to be. See, Jessica, this is why everybody needs a spirit animal. They need to decide what

spirit animal they have going into it and like what game they can play based off of their own strengths and weaknesses. And then just fall out. That's what I did. What was your spirit animal? My spirit animal was the fox. It was weird, but I kept seeing foxes everywhere

I went before I left to play the game. Oh, okay. It was like so powerful. It was, like, powerful moments. Like, I had never seen a fox in real life before. And then, like, a couple weeks before going, I see this fox running through the forest. And then, like, I see a fox three times in my neighborhood, like, after that. And then I started seeing fox imagery everywhere. And I felt like with my personality, like, that was, like, this sort of, like, the playful, like, kind of a little bit conniving.

That was the energy that I truly felt like my spirit could embody in that game. And I kind of took that with me. And I prayed to the fox spirit. And I feel like that. Anyways, that's, I'm being silly, but I do feel like it helps that sort of have like a total animal or some sort of like way that you can like, it's not necessarily you're emulating a player, but you're emulating like an essence and what essence works for me. You know what I mean? And so you're not like necessarily behold into this, the player's mistakes and or like wins or triumphs. It's like you're kind of like taking a more broad view of like what can I embody. What can I? You know what I mean? taken to this game and I don't know so I think of that maybe

instead of Tony or Sandra are you the snake are you the badger I think he's just trying to use spiritualism to get you on her side I that's what I think she's doing you know what damn David I'm working on being a co-leader

yeah not quite there but yes and also unfortunately in your season the spirit of the alligator was the one that that is yeah I mean alligator eat the fox stuff. But, you know,

and now you're in a fox fight. Yeah. What could I have done? Yeah, exactly. And there. Yeah. So I mentioned earlier that Matt has primarily blamed the tribe swap and drawing the wrong buff for getting voted out.

But he also added there wasn't much more he could have done. And he tried and went out swinging. The problem is that while all of that is somewhat true, it's missing very important key elements. He was not the only one put in a bad position in the swap. Jason and Sophie were right there with him, but each of them handled it differently. Sophie, of course, wasn't in as bad a spot because of her tribe of poo, you know, was not seen as a threat like the full tribe of Hina was.

But even so, she quickly ingratiated herself with multiple original Uli players. And while Jason didn't do a great job handling his own position, at least he didn't launch a campaign to target the majority. and was eventually willing to vote against Matt. That wasn't the case for Matt. He got tunnel vision and decided he had one way out, an alliance with Joanne, Jason, and Sophie. But even he knew that was a long shot.

And still, he wouldn't allow himself to take the most obvious route and throw Jason under the bus because he fell prey to the weakness he knew he had coming into the game by allowing his emotions to interfere. considering the suspicion that Savannah and Rizzo already had about Jason and I know Jessica you mentioned maybe he didn't know about this but he should have I feel like and I just don't think it would have taken much for Matt to convince them to go in that direction he just needed to tell them he was with them willing to do what it took to prove that etc but he wouldn't

even when it came to playing his shot in the dark He just was locked into this tunnel vision. In his mind, there was only one solution. This was a perfect anybody but me situation where it would have been wise to follow Queen Sandra's teachings. Instead, he claimed to Nate he was willing to do that, but it was a bluff and he never actually was. As Sandra herself said on Instagram when she saw what he said,

girl by queen stays queen and that is why Matt lost oh yeah love her that's amazing she's on vacation she's like I'm just sitting here I think she's in Hawaii or something she's like I'm just sitting there

all of a sudden I'm taking shots what's going on? I can't keep them out of my mouth yeah that's amazing can't keep me out of their mouth yeah i got chick ass to me yeah i always do this when i hang out y'all i just solo drink wine and then by the end of it oh god so before we get to our predictions for next episode i do want to mention that next week we will have another returning guest our third survivor 43 player in a row

james jones oh yeah come on coca baby just cocoa after cocoa That's right. This is the alarm we wish you had formed. The Y Blank Lost Alliance right here. We're having all three of you in a row. You know, incredible. So we would have taken the game by Storm, me, Lindsay and James?

Yes. Come on. Come on. Now, we want to remind you. He'll do great. I feel like he's so good at the podcast, too. He's very thoughtful. Well, he's always thinking about the game.

I mean, he is texting people. He and I were texting back and forth about this episode. Why do you text me? James. Thanks. I'm talking to him in ages. It's crazy. We're actually besties on the island. We were very close. Believe it or not. So I believe it. I'm excited to hear it. Yeah. So we do want to remind before we go further, we want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form

and, of course, in poster on a T-shirt form and in checklist on a T-shirt form. So again, go to Rob has a website. com slash y x lost feed and scroll down and click on all of those yes now do i tell everyone where they can find us well we can ask cassidy where people can find her i sure let's start with cassidy cassidy where can everyone find you you know instagram i'm not on social media much these days but if you want to keep up with my occasional story my every few month long post i'm on Instagram at Calisi, C-A-H-L-E-E-S-I, and that's about it. Yeah.

Well, I am also... Find me square. Yeah. There you go. I am also not very social media heavy at this point, but I am at Jessica Lewis 89 on both Blue Sky and Twitter, and I'm at Jessica Lewis 6-7-8-9 on Instagram. But, yeah, I'm not anything like David Bloomberg over here, who is... just becoming self-communiate guru,

as he has indicated on his link tree in order to find all of the places that David Bloomberg hangs out. You can go to his link tree and find out. So, David, talk about your link tree, shall you? It is, yes, at Linktree slash David Bloomberg. You could find all the various things there. It still says guru there.

I haven't changed it to Rules God. Oh, my, you do. Yes. That was so clean. Incredible. That rules. God. That was great.

No, no, you're our new coal leader, David. I've always said, I could do it. I've always said I could do it. I mean,

you've got the rules down. You've got, you know. If only I, if only I didn't have a picture. Like that. Yeah. So.

So. So you could also. If only you became an embodied head with your green, your green shirt. Right. Right. And then people would really be like,

this is a spiritual being. Yeah. do it do it everybody yeah come on because now because now the joke's out of context because they didn't hear us

before we got on there now you have to do it so you can find me in addition directly on blue sky is at David Bloomberg and of course on the various video platforms TikTok YouTube and Instagram

where I'm at David Bloomberg TV right now I've been posting about three sometimes two sometimes four short videos every day. Most of them are, of course, about Survivor 49,

plus some about Celebrity Traders UK. And soon, the Traders Canada season three will be joining them. And that season is going to include a few familiar faces, including one who has been a guest on this very podcast, Omer. So hopefully he sticks around for a long time. And then, as a matter of fact, I will also be hosting the Trade Hour podcast for the Traders Canada. so watch for that as well

you can find the trade arts T-R-A-I-D-A-R so you can find that the first episode will be out before the next episode of this podcast so with that

is time for predictions I hate this now I think I've gotten two in a row right now have they been a little bit obvious? Yeah, kind of. You know, there's on chat BCC, I think it's, is it Pluto TV? Someone,

no, maybe it's chat BCC itself, has been posting a contest, a predictions contest. And I got third place this time. Now, mind you, I tied with 30 other people for third place, but, and when I looked to see how many people predicted Matt, it was like 300 and some, I think. You know, there was there was a lot of people who predicted Matt would go this episode um but looking ahead to next episode I think it gets a little trickier because well it depends it's pretty obvious if heena goes back to tribal council jason is a goner despite the clip that we saw in the preview of savannah saying oh joan's annoying and most likely to flip I suspect that that's one of those out of context where she then says but for now he's good for my game uh huh

she's not going to suddenly change her mind and decide Jason is going to be more loyal than the guy who revealed Matt's plan to them all. It's just not going to happen. Right, right. So maybe maybe that's what happens. Maybe it, you know, they lose again and we say goodbye to Jason. It's more interesting if things go the other direction because Shannon and Sage are doing what Matt and Jason should have done, turning on each other.

now what I worry about is Shannon as we discuss seems to have them all eating out of the palm of her hands so Stephen is worried about her so you know maybe in that situation he could convince some of his original hean is to vote her out however as much as I would like to predict that I find myself being drawn back to what I said was the most obvious because so much of this season has been pretty obvious

And I think that's why they included the misdirect with the Savannah line about Jawan. So I think Jason goes next. Oh, I thought you were going to say something different. Nope. I circled back. Fooled you. You thought I was going right and I was going left. You did fool me.

You totally fooled me. So here's my prediction, Sage. And I say Sage because her story. line currently consists of bodily functions and more bodily fluids coming out of your body from various

pores on your body and I just kind of into a jar like what are doing exactly like if this is your your survivor moment is all about that part of your existence

I feel like there's not much strategy there that's going to affect the storyline is my thought am I next yes you are

I have followed before wait actually my cats wanted to chime in they have something as that so I I didn't think about this too hard before but I I'm going to just like

I'm going to a dissent from what y'all are saying just for fun. For fun, you know, why not if it's going to be the other tribe? Because obviously, I think if this same tribe goes to tribal council, it will most likely be Jason. If it's the other tribe, could be Sage for sure.

They have been leading with the storyline of Shannon of like, you know what I mean? Sage is like, let me get people to see this. Like she's laying it on too thick. Blah, blah, blah. So I'm just going to go for Shannon. because, like, why not? It's probably not going to be her. It's probably not going to be her,

but just to give, so we're all like, you know, we've all got our stronghold of who we think's going to home. Like, I'll just pick somebody different. If I voted for which one I wanted,

I would pick yours. Okay. But, you know. I'll have backing then. Yeah. Yeah. From the rules, God. Yes.

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below Jessica and next to Cassidy, which says, we know survivor dot. Other way, Cassidy. I swear there's something on this side of my screen. What's that? There is. There is.

It's just a logo. So yes. So that's we know survivor.com. Locals on this side for me. Yeah. It's backwards. You got to get used to. Even us.

Even us, we still forget sometimes. Both ways. Just check it out. Yeah. Look everywhere. So, yes, you can get all of the Survivor podcasts from RHAP at we knowsurvivor.com, us, the know it all, the B&B, Survivor Global, and much more. Yes.

And we would love to thank everyone from RHAP with all of the incredible content that you create. And also supporting podcasts like this one, the Weblink lost. There is so much content available to you at We Know Survivor. and just also RHAP in general. You name it. They're doing a podcast on it. It's happening. So thank you to Scott and Jessica for all of the behind the scenes work that you do,

including all of the RHAP employees and the people that work, the entire team, incredible stuff that you do. Will from America, thank you for the theme song that you created for the audio version of this podcast. And Cassidy, thank you so much for joining us. And working through all of the rules with the rules, God. And given us an opportunity to see your cats.

That was lovely. They were so That's really, that's really just wanted you guys to see my cats. Yeah. I wanted to sprinkle a little chaos back into the survival world. Well, listen, it's always great having you here. You're such an incredible, incredible person to join

us. Thank you. Yes. Shetting tears. Thank you. Yes, let me add my thanks to that too, just to cause more tears. But yes, thank you very much. You know, we're very happy to you back on and so yeah I thought this was a lot of fun and hopefully listeners will too so yeah and of course thank you Jessica uh as always and glad you glad you got over that snake

bite and we're able to to make so glad so with that we will be back in a week as I mentioned we will have the third 43 or in a row with James and So, you know, we were going to make this whole season just 43, but I think I think we run out of people at that point. We've been on the podcast before. If he makes all laugh more than I did, I'm going to be upset. I'm going to be upset.

All right. Well, we will see. And, of course, people can find us on social media in the meantime. So until next week, bye. Peace. Bye. If you lost survivor and you're feeling down, David and just.

We'll turn it around They'll break down the rules and I'll show you how You play in yourself and got voted out This is why Blank lost This is why Blank lost Oh baby this is why Blank lost