RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 49 Ep 5

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

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This is why Blank lost. This is why Blank lost. Baby, this is why Blank Loss. Welcome back to the 10th anniversary season of Wye Blank Loss. I'm David Bloomberg, and I just want to know where Joanne was back in the 33rd season when there was a rock draw he could have rigged. Oh, goodness. We're going to start with that.

Maybe that is worth discussing because, to be quite honest, there's going to be a A tough amount of things to find to discuss. But yes, the rock draw, the rock draw. Yeah, we could start there. I would love to rigged rock draw. That would have been great. Yeah. You might have gone on to win and then you'd have been too successful to be on this podcast.

Would have been such a different outcome for everyone. Yes. Now, as video viewers can already see, joining us as the third Survivor 43 or in a row is returning special guest James Jones. glad to be here, 10 years, like 10 years of doing something is amazing. I haven't done 10 years of anything, like, since I graduated from school. Like, that's a lot of commitment. I've had a barber for 10 years, more to 10 years.

That's the biggest commitment I've had in my life, have not been in. So, yeah, I mean, restaurants don't stay open for 10 years. Like, this is incredible. This is amazing. Giving the people what they want, what they need, giving me the rules that help me, you know, a little, go a little far in the game. I voted out, you know, didn't help you win, but did far, far enough. And it is in providing entertainment for all of us for these years.

So thank you for that. And Jessica, great adding you to the team. And I get a lot of insight from you from being on the island and going further than me. And I appreciate your perspective as well. Well, we're very happy to have you. And thank you for all of that. That was lovely. Yes. Thank you.

So how have you been doing since we saw your last? I mean, life is good. I mean, I'm excited about Survivor 49. I enjoy Survivor 48. I really got into Australian Survivor. I really was waking up 8 a.m. watching. So that was my first four right into that. So I may dig in there.

Other than that, I'm gearing up for the holiday season. In the process of figuring out a living situation, nothing bad. but just figure out where I want to be as I move forward. I turned the big 4-0 this year. So enjoy life. All right. All right. Lots going on.

Good. Yeah. All right. Well, this episode, you know, this week marks my third correct prediction in a row. Clearly, it's because I have become awesome at predictions, not because it's totally predictable. Yeah. Is that what it is? This is you're awesome. Okay.

All right. You are awesome. I mean, he is awesome, but I struggle to believe that your predictions are based on your awesomeness. I think it's likely a letter. It's a little more predictable than anything. Although I shouldn't say anything because I didn't guess it because I'm terrible at predictions. So there's that. I yeah on the chat PCC prediction thing I was you know fairly high up again this time and a lot more people picked either sage or Shannon than I would have expected so I was one of those people I know I know now I have to say and you know as you said James you know I've been doing this for 10 years and frankly you know for 15 years before that ever since the beginning of Survivor I've been doing it in one form or another it's fair to say I'm

I love Survivor. I even usually enjoy episodes and whole seasons that some other people don't find as exciting because I watch for things that some people don't. This is something I've talked about before. Like even in a Pagongan, people may say, oh, it was so boring. It was just a Pagonging. And I'm like, well, it was actually interesting because they chose to stay together for these strategic reasons and da-da-da-da.

And people are like, yeah, whatever. But with all of that. said, even I have to admit this episode was not at all exciting. Not at all. Not at all. Yeah. I really was struggling throughout the entire episode for like, oftentimes there's like that moment.

You're like, oh, here's something that's going to be of note, something that is going to be interesting to talk about. And then you're like, no, that fell flat too. And it's really just quite frustrating. I do feel like I think the cast is great. Love the cast. The cast is lovely. But the structure of the show currently,

the way that they are handling certain components, like the journey this time was just, what was that? We'll get to that. Yeah. A lot of issues. A lot of issues. So,

James, I didn't know if you had thoughts here or you might have to wait until later. Oh, no. So, I mean, I feel like I'm one of those viewers as well that I try to look between after you kind of see what the story is trying to say. Like, what's the overall, you know, story where who are they not showing talking?

Like, where you see like two people at the bottom talking, they're getting a majority of screen time. It's hard for me to kind of not think that, well, they're just trying to sell something. Like, I don't know if this is really going to happen. if you don't have any of the power players. So I think they're trying to drum up some stuff, but I feel it's from a structure standpoint

and that I think people understand the formula. The Reba 4 kind of kind of, if you can get a three or four person unit together and move forward, that just makes sense, at least to the merch and early merge, that just

makes sense for most parties involved. And to deviate from that, when you have, majority numbers does not make any sense when you're that close to the merch like no survivor player unless there's a blood feud with someone else that they swat with is going to do that yeah yeah and that's part of it you know that when you have random draws sometimes the luck of the draw works out great and sometimes it works out like it did this season and you know now with all that said uh hopefully we haven't lost our whole listening and viewing

audience because we can still have fun with it here. You know, this may not be the most strategically rigorous discussion we've ever had, but that won't stop us from digging in and seeing what nuggets we can find when it comes to Jason, the rest of the tribe, and even the other tribe. So, you know, last week, we talked about how Matt should have thrown Jason under the bus. This week is, of course, different. Jason didn't have anyone to throw under the bus. well we'll get to that he did he just didn't know it but we'll go over how he played and figure out if there was anything he could have done differently using our usual methods of comparing his game to a set of guiding rules for winning i originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since we use all the non-spoiler of information available to us from what we saw on tv interviews social media and secret scenes and of course the newest published version of the rules can be found on rob has website dot com slash yx lost feed and then click

on the link bubble for the rules. But before we address how Jason did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss and we're going to have a lot more this time. Let's just start with the episode overall. Because as we said, it was predictable. And yeah, you know, James, you said it.

I think producers and editors tried to make it seem like something else was possible. but I knew through all those 90 minutes that it wasn't happening. And I think you did too, James, based on the text you sent me. So, you know, not to mention, I mean, the entire week leading up to it, you know, like I said, I did predict this in our last podcast. And sometimes there just isn't a whole lot you can do with the material you have. Like, I was just going to say, if Jason had been some sort of egotistical jerk or

you know something like that he thought he was the running things and he was the top of the world they could have made it into a downfall episode that we couldn't enjoy but he's such a nice guy they couldn't even do that i know he really is yeah and he's not one of those players that he he's he's already showing himself to be very astute at puzzles um clearly he can work well with others clearly is probably liked by his other tribe members so he's he's already not like one of those players that people look at as a person that they can carry

or that's a person that's going to be under their thumb, right? Where he doesn't have that that, oh, I'm going to rock with you type nature or demeanor. And that's a liability when you do have a majority where you rather have the person.

You're going through all the rules you want already here. Oh, I'm so sorry. Skim-in. I've got to have something to talk about when we get there. We can get done this podcast in 20 minutes. Don't be in a minority. Don't lose challenges.

Don't solve puzzles. There you go. That's it. Right there. Those are the rules. Go to tribal. Maybe that's a strategy. Maybe you try to go to tribal to make yourself seem weaker and get rid of the loose chains before you get a merger before you get a swap. Yeah.

Yeah. I, you know, that is something, you know, that I hadn't really thought about. But yeah, if it wasn't a 6-6-2 situation, if it was more broken up, maybe it's different. But, of course, that messes with the whole draw situation. You know, we don't know how it would have been if that would have ended up happening. There's no way to say, probably would have been more interesting. But that's just by, you know, nature that it wasn't that interesting so far. but you know even beyond that jessica you mentioned the journey and this is where i think

producers had an opportunity to make things more interesting and entertaining and they went the other direction like they thought it would be fun to watch two people lug sandbags on a beach for two full segments of the show. Yay. Fun. I mean, that was about as exciting as, let me think of a comparison, watching two

people lug sandbags down the beach. You know. I mean, what? Yeah. No, maybe they were trying to go back to like Winters at War when they were like moving all the logs and that was, but there was like stuff built

into that and it was, it was more of a fascinating story that was. being told, well, the logs were being moved. And this, I just, I feel like, unfortunately, and I've said this before, and I will continue to say it, like, we need to get away from this game show idea, right? People are going to play the game, period. They're going to. If you get on that island, you're going to play the game.

You don't mean all of these extra components to try to force people's hands to play the game. And if you want to throw in journeys, I understand because production believes, well, it's an unknown and it's an additional component, an additional factor. Again, fine. But it needs to have some added significance to the game itself. The journeys right now really don't because like in this particular situation, Nate figured out how to just like get basically get rid of it.

Like it literally meant nothing because he looked at it and went, oh, well, this is easy enough. We can both keep our vote. We just have to do this. And then it's over. Maybe production thought, oh, good. See, he's being creative with what we put together. No, it's just he's playing the game in the manner in which he should because he needs to keep his vote, period.

You don't need to have them lugging sandbags in order to figure out they need to keep their vote. So it's, it's, I just wish that they would just allow players to play the game, the social game that we all want them to be able to play. And having them exhausted and tired from lugging sandbags, I mean, MC, if you saw her in the confessional, I thought she was going to like, fall over. She's like, I am so tired from yesterday. Like, I'm so tired, but I'm not going to sit out and I'm going to be part of this challenge and I'm going to work with my tribe. But she was exhausted for no reason, for no reason at all. So that needs to change.

So I think there's been an emphasis on how hard this season has been, you know, and that's been emphasized numerous seasons and it probably is. But they were able to finish the challenge with like half the timer level. move more. So, like, I'm looking at, like, trying to figure out both sides and the way they edited it was, like, Nate made this move. I think MJ's, I think MJ's in the same position Nate is in where she is a big target and does she want to have everybody knowing that she has

an advantage. Like, I may do my initial, you know, go search, but I'm not going to, you know, seem like I'm that playing the game that hard with this other guy who may be a positional ally or enemy or some bridge where I get to talk for two and a half hours where my other time means don't. So I think that was the more key thing there is it does that rapport stick or does that report not stick?

Yeah, yeah. Just to quickly, MC, MJ was on Big Brother a couple years ago. Or maybe it's because you're honoring Michael Jordan. That's probably what it is. See, my bad, MC, I truly apologize. but I mean yeah you know Jessica you pointed out something interesting we want them to play the game

but MC was so worn out Nate's trying to talk to her and she's like I can't even catch my breath to talk yeah yeah so it was literally just mostly them going in silence walking up and back that is that is not fun yes Nate made a you know took a good move and did something And a lot of people online were like, yeah, it was kind of obvious, though. So it was fine for both parties.

It wasn't like, I was like sometimes Survivor tries to make things seem like, oh, this person got one over on somebody when it just makes sense for both parties that this is a very viable outcome. If anybody pushes too hard to other direction, that's going to probably rub the other person the wrong way. And you're still calculated. You're still, the other emergency is coming. What is the point?

No one's getting voted off here. It's kind of just, no one wants to do all that for knowledge and power. Right. Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, for sure.

So then another aspect that made things worse was, hey, look, a strength-based challenge won by the tribe that has Flint and food. Who saw that coming? What? I mean, this is crazy talk. I know. And, you know, again, why does Jeff think this is fun? if they want some variety and excitement

neither of these decisions were the way to do it and just to be clear so someone doesn't like take me out of context and misunderstand I'm not suggesting they should add more twists

or anything like that what they need to do is start taking away twists like for example oh I don't know get rid of the idea that you can't have your flint if you lose the challenge

yes please there is not being wrong with allowing them to have fire Yeah. And and just do a better job. James. James making a noise. I mean, it's Survivor. Like, I mean, we already are playing 26 days.

I think part of, I think for me that I think it's older ever where it's the spirit of competition, right? Where you're out there to compete. You're out there to survive. So that is an aspect of the show that I think a lot of times people just want to ignore. like, oh, I can go out there and just, you know, strategize, strategize, strategize. It was like, great, but can you get a fire? Like, can't, like, what other things can you bring to the table? Like, I feel like, I'm sorry.

No, no, no. I like, I appreciate fully what you're saying because I do think that we are kind of getting lost in two worlds here, right, with Survivor. Because it is called Survivor and there should be survivor skill components, right? that should be part of the game itself. The problem, though, is the people who are being cast and put out there are not survivalists. These are people who are gamers who do whatever blocks they were talking. I don't even remember.

Whatever they, you know, but like they're gamers, they're people who are like nerding it out on the island, right? These are not people who are survivalists. Matt was the closest thing that we probably had to a survivalist out there. And nobody seemed to appreciate it anyway. And so if Survivor is really interested in that dynamic or we want it to be about both survival and strategy, you can have both and you can allow people to figure out how to be survivalists if they have that in their nature. But right now there's this idea, and this is just my opinion, but there's this idea that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who gets us food. It doesn't matter who catches fish.

part of our part of the rules that we discuss every week that that idea is part of the rules that we discuss every week it doesn't matter but it doesn't matter but but the but survivor but that's that's the that's the that's the rub right because production is trying to make it matter when it actually doesn't matter to the players but then they are seeing the consequences of their actions on the players by taking away their ability to even do the littlest thing like we'll at least let you have fire so perhaps you could have food so then the gameplay would be more interesting so the challenges would be more competitive and so we could actually see people formulating complete sentences at tribal council because their brain fog is not there on day six I mean I had brain fog on day 30 but not

day six but see that just proves it you know that that just proves what jeff is saying you know I feel you, but no, I feel like only because I've been like, maybe I was fortunate to have like food on, like, we went and got crabs. And when we didn't have fire, we used the ember and kept making sure we had an ember that was always lit on the beach. We have fire. Like so for me, I'm kind of like, I'm a girl. I play sports. I'm just a competitive person. So like when the rules are set out, these are the rules.

You know the rules. Well, if you know there's going to be some competitions. with puzzles, maybe you should try some puzzles. If you know there's going to be some physical competition, maybe you should go swimming. Maybe you should do some push-ups. Maybe you should learn how to do a friction fire. Why it's naked and afraid?

I can't have sympathy for that aspect of it, knowing that it's a lot shorter than previous, and that's the part of the survivor is eating the papaya, finding out the stuff on the island that can be sustainable. Everybody, like,

So if you're losing, that sucks, but for me, that's just part of the game. And I feel like sometimes we feel so bad about the people losing and it does suck that then you get penalized on the other hand for just playing the game. And now you're swap because it's lose your tribe. So I don't know. I'm just kind of more. I don't feel bad for them. Like I don't feel bad for them in like, like, yes.

I feel bad for us. Like yes. If you're going to go out and you're going to play the game, like you should. you do need to practice those things. You do need to be able to do those things. And anyone who's going to go play Survivor should be able to start a fire with Flint. You should be able to try to figure out how to be creative. I certainly didn't eat a heck of a lot of food while I was out there, but we found what we could eat. And I ate stuff that I would never normally eat because you're like, well, this is kind of a rotten banana, but this is what I have. So that's what I'm going to

eat, right? And so you make do with what you have. We were, you know, you find snails and you eat snails. And if you don't have a fire to cook them, well, then you eat cold snails. And so these are all things that you can certainly work around and figure out. But I just feel like there's such a disconnect in the structure of the game now. That's the problem that I have is that they want it both ways, but they are not creating an atmosphere in which causes players to play the game that they actually want them to play because of these other components that they're mixing into it, that is completely unnecessary because we've watched

this game for years, we've seen what happens when you take things away or when you give a little bit to players, people will still play the game. So let them play the game without necessarily having to make it almost impossible for them to achieve

certain components of the game that we want to see them play. Completely, completely agree with that. Like, I mean, this is one of those things where I look at it And like they didn't like But sometimes it's on the players

They didn't want to kill the chickens Like I don't know Like give me Kill the chickens Like what is there like Like this is maybe because I don't know I grew up on a survivor And like so on one hand

You can't say that It's like the hardest thing ever When people don't want to kill the chicken So it's clearly you're not hungry Like I don't like The two don't compute Like from a viewing standpoint Where like

I can't be the hungry as I have but I'm afraid to kill this chicken and there's a whole segment on. It doesn't register for me. And that's just kind of thinking. That's where disconnect is too, where you have these components about this is happening, this is happening.

Well, when you're hungry, you go to find food or this makes you dig deep or you're trying to do a friction fire or whatever you're trying to do. And I think the show had two segments, two segments of the back and forth with the sandbags, but you haven't had two segments

of literally people trying to survive. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I do think the chickens that once one or two people raised their hands and said they would do it, everyone else was like, okay, I'm out of here. If those two people, what was it, Alex and I can't remember who else it was, but when those two people volunteered, okay, but if they weren't there, I bet someone else would have stepped up because, you know, they needed it. But on the other hand, that's also the tribe that has had food and had fire, whereas the other tribe did not.

So, you know, it's just this situation there where they keep, production keeps creating the situation. And we talked about it earlier in the season. Jeff doesn't see it as a problem. It's not a bug. It's a feature. It allows him to say, look how tough it is. And these people, you know, if Sophie or Alex go far, if one of the. of them win especially.

I mean, Sophie can't win because Jessica picked her as the winner pick. Stop it. No, she's my girl. She's going to win. If one of them win, Jeff is going to be like, see, they were on this tribe that was mostly wiped out. How can you say it's bad? Well, it was sure bad

for the other four people on that tribe. Yeah. You know, it's like saying if you're in a car crash, it's like the people who are in a plane crash. And three people out of 200 survive. And they're like, Well, obviously it was fate that I survive or I was, you know, lucky to survive or what you don't say, oh, plane crashes must be okay because three people made it through. True, but this plane class, I thought the, like, when you looked at the tribes, I thought the blue tribe was going to be the strongest.

Like, I feel like, I like, so like, like, like, I get it, but I'm like, hey, man, you got to win. So, like, I feel like maybe, I think from a comparison. standpoint, I think you, I feel like I want to see more challenges that are making people make decisions. Like, I do, I do like the whole thing about figuring out the tribe and, you know, carry extra weight. But like, knock out somebody from another tribe or something like, oh, you get to choose a person that can't compete on that time. Or maybe you get to choose somebody. Yeah, they used to do the ones where like with the like the tiles and you got to like, and like shoot people's tiles out and stuff. Like those kind of things are that your message.

with people. You're strategizing during the actual challenge itself. It's not all this physical labor that half the tribe can't do because they're starving and they haven't slept. I think this, again, it goes back to the structure of the game. You can have these components, but you can structure it in a way that is still going to create game mechanics and moves even during a challenge. That's what, that to me is what survivor is lacking right now. It's all about like who can pick up the heaviest thing and how many people can they push over this this log and dig under the sand and it's it's it's not what it needs to be and i think and i'm sorry jumping but the one thing i think they could do what they don't do is show the strategizing of the challenges because i think

that is really one of the biggest that's where you see the leadership in the tribe that's where you can see who has a clear concise plan and that's where most of the time the challenges are one of um who Bishaheen, we're talking about that where literally it's kind of like you go through the challenge you look at every challenge is meant to be broken and you're meant to know

every single rule. So your job as someone going and going to beapeutic how can I break this challenge? What is something that production gave me that I could do to break this challenge? For example, the one group

didn't even untie the sandbags. It's kind of like you have to kind of take advantage of every single opportunity that you have when you're out there. And part of that is a strategizing the challenge where I think Maybe that will give us more of an insight about why this tribe struggles versus, oh, they're just bad at puzzles. Maybe there's no leadership there.

Maybe this person is it. Like, I feel like that maybe gives you a little bit more middle mind going about what's happening. Right. Right. Yeah. So moving away from that aspect of things to, I want to talk about the other tribe, Kelly, where, you know, the one that didn't go to tribal council and had more. interesting things happening and the main aspect at least in my mind and what we saw of course focused on shannon now we've talked about our concerns with her previously but man she took

overconfidence to a new level for herself this week she started by waking stephen before the sun even came up to propose this two two two core six at the merge why could you not wait first of all. Let the man wake up. Second of all, why was it so important to tell him right this minute about the strategy for the merge? Why did you even come up with this? It sounds like something that would be proposed at a journey, but they were just sitting there. And the most telling part of it all was her telling us, naturally, Stephen likes this idea because it's a great idea. And this was the first of a few things this week where she just took whatever anyone said at face value. Later, she said when she started talking to people, she was like, oh, they've all

just been waiting for me to give them strategic discussions. Again, just assuming their reactions were real and not recognizing that just because they say something doesn't make it true. If you look at everybody's seen, I think, the meme of Arthur, the, the cartoon Arthur, his little sister from the cartoon, where she's looking at a sign and the sign says something and she says, this sign can't stop me. I can't read. And that was Shannon. You know, she's going to keep plowing ahead with whatever plans because she cannot read these people. And again later, she didn't see, she talked about, well, I don't see sage strategizing. So that means sage isn't strategizing. No, it's not just what happened.

in front of your eyes. Right. I mean, that's what a lot of people think, though. Like, I feel like a lot of times, like on the island, people look at activity

and communication as the strategy barometer when a lot of times, most of the conversations are really kind of quick and you're trying to just, you have consist that already built. You want to, you know, iron some things out. Like, you're typically not having a 10,

50 minutes strategy session. sure on the island with somebody simply those are more casual conversations and your more strategic conversations or more your past by hey like what's happening here are we still good blah blah blah okay cool x y z let's keep it moving like so it's i think i think underestimating your survivor you know opponents under like the baseline survivor player is it's probably more astute about the game than all the players were from season one to season 20 and that's not a shade. to them. It's more like we can, they can stream it. You can watch it. You didn't, like, you had to get a box set of DVDs and say, if you got on the show to kind of get into it, like back in the day. Now you're going to fire on three or four seasons and, you know, binge right through it without commercials, right? So it's just a little different now, you know, and, uh, so the,

the, the, the players are pretty good from a strategic baseline point of view. That's like you said, they're all gamers for the most part. So you got to switch it up somehow. So. well and the thing is they they're all gamers who believe in themselves so well most of them believe in themselves and someone like Shannon especially with her background i think really believes in herself and therefore if if she is proposing these ideas and people are buying them well then she sees herself as a strategic genius and clearly everyone's been waiting for her to rise up and lead them you know and

it's like no they're you know we this is not what's happening we saw this with annie i mean not to this extent but annie was like oh i'm the puppet master and and everybody is doing what i say well because they just told her yes annie whatever you say annie and then they moved along and did what they were actually doing with with shannon i mean it took a little longer and you know you but then they've been catching on like she believed that stephen liked the idea because he said he liked the idea. But meanwhile, to us, he's basically quoting my Ghostbusters provision of the rules and saying, well, of course you say yes to an alliance, while also noting she is playing

so hard. And then as she is going person to person to impart her strategic brilliance upon them, he was like basically following them around. And as soon as she would leave, he'd walk in and be like, okay, so this is what's really happening here. It reminded me of a sitcom, like, you know, oh, we're doing this and then they'd leave and he'd come in. No, we're actually doing this totally. Well, good on them, right?

Because they're doing what they should be doing. And she thinks that she's leading them into the Great Beyond. And unfortunately, that that's not where she's going to end up. No, she's going to end up in the Great Beyond soon, I think. Yeah, Pondrosa is. that was a great survivor play by the other cast members like when someone feels that comfortable like i feel like that's one thing that's to highlight is that they may not get all the screen time but someone like christina where shannon feels so open to communicate everything even being that open with christina other people can see that and they're like oh oh and like that's also a kind of a skill there and this reminds me about Aubrey they showed Aubrey when she went back to her return she's saying like that whatever phrase she was saying people when they kept on showing it back to back and It kind of reminded me of that. And you have to understand on the island that people are kind of going to talk.

But then also in the situation that you're in, you know in a solid four. So you know you had to probably vote against the other person anyway. So you don't necessarily have to be as overt about it. Like people are going to, they're not going to actually want to vote themselves out. So you don't necessarily have to tell people what you want to do until you really have to do it, especially when you haven't been the tribal. And that's part of it. You haven't been the tribal. They've been out there for 10.

12 days and haven't played like, you know, Survivor. They play Survivor, but they haven't done the things they've been wanting to do, you know. Right. Right. Yeah, I mean, I have no problem with her mentioning to people, hey, I'm happy to vote off Sage. I think that you do need to do that. You know, we criticized Matt last week for not being willing to and making that note. So, but she just, she just believes she has everyone on her side. And, you know, she said things that raised flags.

Like she said, I'm connecting. with them in a really authentic way. But to me, if you have to emphasize that you're being really authentic, you're not being authentic. You're being pretend authentic, which I think we mentioned this last time. It's fine. You know, okay, my rule says pretend to be nice. But she seems to believe her own hype.

And, you know, I think Sage summarized it well by saying Shannon finds one thing about each person and then uses it in every conversation with them. and you know like up to this point it had worked with Christina who felt that real emotional connection but then after Stephen and Alex filled her in she realized oh if your alliance tells you someone is scheming way too hard you need to put those emotions aside I mean it also I think

that is how you kind of bond with somebody like Chuby told you try to find the one thing that you do have a comment and you but I think when it comes to gaining allies within a larger group, it's always better when someone's bringing you in than when you're trying to be the person to bring

everybody in that group together. So the story is different if you're kind of stange office, Christina goes to Stephen and say, oh, I really connect with her, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now you're a threesome and you're building, okay, now you have you have a little a little mini alliance or kind of a

sector aside that for. We have two people now vouching for you. But now when you go to every single person individually, not knowing where that power is. Within that four, there's some type of power structure. You want to identify before you start committing to somebody who that power structure is because

if you start committing to a person that's lower in a power structure, you now are like a threat. And how did I just happen? Oh, no, I'm with it. Yep. You're still here. It was paranoid. Like, I was like, what was happening?

Did you hear? you're a hot commodity James I apologize this is what you get for like 10 years like here we go but yeah like I was so scared like I was I really was because I was like oh no they popped me out of the screen

yeah we were not doing although he does have the power I do that he has the awesomeness to do that. Now, I did think there were two particularly funny parts about this whole series of scenes throughout the episode with Shannon. The best was when Sage found out Stephen and Alex were on the same page with her about Shannon.

And once she realized that she was just so happy and her face lit up and her whole demeanor changed. She thought she was out there on her own and no one noticed it. And then she realized, oh, my gosh, I'm on the same page with almost everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great moment because I, and I do think that to give Sage credit, she's been very good about not letting anyone know how she truly feels about her relationship with Shannon.

And it was, it was a nice moment for her to finally be able to say, I can talk about it now. Like, this is okay. Like, someone else has brought it up to me first. I'm not the one imparting this on them. They are bringing it to me. And it gave her an opportunity of, like, this is a comfortable space. You're free to speak. Which, so great job for Sage for continuing to put on a facade around Shannon and also not trying to disparage Shannon until she was, like, given permission to do so.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, the other funny part was just the short scene showing Shannon's weird word salad of beliefs that we talked about all the way back in the preseason because she said that goats get high off of hay and Jesus got high off of God, which does not really make any sense at all if you think about it for even a moment, but it sounds profound and deep, which is what really matters. and Mike Bloom pointed out, this is like a Survivor 41 phrase that they had to say or something like that. So in that honor, you know, maybe that's why this goat was confused on AstroTurf because it was trying to get high off of hay and all it could find was AstroTurf. I mean, I feel like religion got taught. We didn't talk about religion too much on the island. Flight is one of those things you don't really bring up for the most part of your parents in my room.

And I think the reason why you don't is because you may run into people that like, I'm, grew up very, in a very religious household, believe in Jesus, all that good stuff. I love teenage Jesus is the best. It's not a, we're not Jewish in here, but it's letting you people know. And, um, but if someone said, like, from a, if Jesus got help of God, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like comments like that are like very people that have been

raised in the church, kind of see kind of those people or as people trying to connect in a very inauthentic way or kind of in a way that's just, yeah. But you say crazy things on the island. You do say crazy things. So you cannot like I, but that was wild. I had to like that. I can't wait to use that joke one day.

I can't wait to do it. I don't know how I will, but I will. Thank you for dropping that one. Because I have a lot of church jokes because I was son of a deacon deacon, deaconess. And that is the one joke that has never been brought up in my church. I've never heard. Like Jesus got high on God. Yeah.

High on God. Like I smoked that God back. I've never heard that before. Sorry to bring the podcast down. I'm just trying to bring celebrity here. But, yeah, the God pack is, you know, if someone has a God pack of cigarettes and they bring that to a Bryson win event or R-JP event, that would be money.

Like, because I would smoke a God pack with you when I see you there. Sorry. Hey. It used to be funny in my former life. Like, I love this. This is fun stuff. oh thank you so yeah i mean the main thing is like you said you know when you're talking like that and this is something we talked about you know last week if you're saying things like that

people are going to be like what is going on here and why are why is she pushing this and it's just another reason you know she thinks she's connecting and maybe she is connecting with christina but everyone else is looking at this like what uh so yeah now move away from her, the other aspect of this tribe overall, and yes, I know we're like 40 minutes in here and people are like, when are you going to get to Jason? We will. But there's, you know, other

things to talk about. The other aspect of this tribe is a question that many people have asked, which actually does go along with why Jason lost, but isn't really addressable anywhere in the rules themselves. Should Kelle have thrown

the challenge to save Jason? Yes. Yes. I maybe Jessica help remind me. Did we talk about this last week? No. Because in my mind we did, but I must have had so many conversations about it on social media that I just thought we talked about it here. But my, what I came to the conclusion last week was no,

they should not have because they had not voted together yet and they couldn't be sure of where their allegiances really were. And you might have mentioned that. We really didn't delve into it a whole lot. but I think you did I listened to last week okay you did say that you're like I don't believe in throwing challenges in my head I think I even texted you I was like I believe in throwing challenges I believe in it that's right that's right okay I'm glad I did mention it but yeah and then they worried about you know so the target might have an idle or hit a shot in the dark but now

I'm going to shift my opinion a bit for this time because it sure seems like everyone knew where the vote would go on Kelly yeah and the idol less of an issue because Sage told them that Rizzo had it and so it would have been quite a ruse for Sage and Shannon

to be working together and have an idol and planning to use it while simultaneously throwing each other under the bus in the way that they did they would be like

award winning actresses at that point not impossible but very unlikely so I think it actually would have made sense for them to throw and try to even out the numbers,

especially with a consensus target. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that this, I am not a fan of throwing a challenge just to throw a challenge. Like we've seen that happen a couple of times. We're just like, oh, you know, let we're going to just throw a challenge because for whatever odd reason they feel like they should.

But when you do have a strategic component, such as numbers and you know a merge is coming and you're looking at what the numbers are going to be should they lose and go to tribal council versus if we go anything that's going to even things out 100% I'm in I'm full supportive and I do think that throwing the challenge would have been a great move for them because that's what they needed to do they needed to try to even out the numbers Yeah, I mean, because you're playing with, you know, fans, people want to make the merge. Like, no one goes out there to, that's the first checkmark on the box of making the merge, you know, outside of everything else, people want to get to the merge. So after you've seen two or three tribal councils, for like Survivor once, each tribe to go once.

That's the ideal situation. But, you know, these groups have been together for over 10 days without going to tribal council, right? Yeah. At the end of the day, now you had to start thinking about the end game. And if you can go into the end game with a six plus whatever your number one is from whatever tribe is Alex or Sophie, a six four, seven four going in the merge, that is where you want to be. Because even up that big, there's still enough ambiguity in the group because you

haven't been the tribal, right? So like that's where you want to be. So the throat there is definitely. where you want to be also chasing is quietly someone that you want to keep in the game as a target where the second he wins a puzzle or loses a puzzle that's somebody like oh we need to make sure that

we can take this person out so like I think there's for ample reasons when you're in control and I think it's something that I don't know people talk about it's hard to keep control in the game like once you get it you have to keep it and once you lose it then you get voted out so once you're in that power

position you kind of want to keep it there and So maybe you hold off a little bit But I feel like you take control of the game You get those numbers And you play from that power position And you can hide in that big group of six Mm-hmm

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particular relationship and he stood by it. Was he right about that? Or were the cards so stacked against him that it wouldn't have mattered? What complicating factors could have made it not as simple a decision as it seemed. At RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why. Jason lost. So we begin, of course, with rule one, the first and most important rule, scheme and plot. And while we didn't see it, from what Jason told us in interviews, he was doing a fair amount

on original Hina. He had a strong connection with Stephen. His tightest bond was perhaps unsurprisingly with fellow alternate MC. What we saw on the show was there was this supposed for some of Matt, Christina, Stephen, and a reluctant MC. But Jason said if they had gone to tribal council, Matt was probably getting voted out because there was another group involving Jason, Stephen, and MC.

And in fact, Jason was so tight with those two that, well, again, we didn't see it. MC told Jason about finding the beware advantage right after she told Stephen. And it turns out this is important because Jason told Mike Bloom, one reason he was being cagey right after the swap was he didn't want to out his closest ally by saying something.

But it also raises an interesting question. Should he have done what Sage did on the other tribe and told his new tribe mates about the information he knew, including about MC's advantage? He knew it could help him, but he didn't want to throw his closest ally under the bus for the future. Now, we'll discuss some of his reasoning in Rule 4 as to why he said he didn't. But James, what do you think?

Should he have done it to show he was a new team player? I mean, if you look at the odds, the odds were like, there's no, the only thing he could do is tell the other tribe to, to throw the challenge. That was, that, that was, man, after that first loss, okay, you may do the first one. Now you have to think, okay, there may be two or three tribals before merged, three at the most, right? So, like, I have to be like, like, like, Sophie literally is part of the new tribe. And from their point of view, they're looking at it as war.

So let's say they do go in 6.6. Having Sophie there as a replacement, as your, you know, surrogate 6, you want to get rid of Jawan or Sage goes home. You have Sophie the slide right in there to give you that six-person majority, which makes Alex a swing person and then they're already down, already one member, right? So from a numbers point of view, that like that is kind of like the only move, especially if you're one of the more threatening members there on. the tribe like you just kind of have to

I don't know how you signal to lose or you can just maybe you can power forward for the win but either way that's what I would do if I was on that side of try swap I'm like yo y'all got do me in solid be something

yeah yeah help me out here well and even if he had decided to share that information about MC that doesn't mean that they would have still not voted him out and then they would have had additional information on her come merge. So you're throwing her under the bus to what end because it's not going to guarantee him a spot. It's not like he needs to be around in order for MC to do whatever it is she's doing.

I do think that we were talking about his need to throw Matt under the bus differences. Matt was with him. MC is not. And so I can't imagine that that would have gotten him any farther in the game. but I do think that, you know, with what James had mentioned, that really throwing the challenge, like taking that moment to just be like, please, please help me. But if his tribe had picked up on the fact that he was doing it, what would happen if they both went? Well, then forget about it. Great TV.

Great TV. You get angry Jeff. You got like everybody. We can't lift this family. Like, I can imagine angry chef right here. like he's looking at like to wind out there just faking it like oh oh and like nothing is happening in the water like jeff would be going i feel like that's the tv that would have been like and then the other tribe then i didn't have to start a thing wait are they letting us win right then i feel like

incentives are the key to any type of human behavior i worked themselves for a long time uh build provider incentive programs for different insurance companies incentives and provider behavior and behavior in general are the fascinating parts of the survivor. And I feel like that is an aspect that hasn't really been brought in because of how new era works. But there's in a situation where I think that

you want to go to one of those, you want to go to at least the tribal council by four. Like at four or five, you want to go to one. Either you're winning or losing the game and you're not going to win it by like, yes, you can win by not going to travel. But you have to kind of see where some lines are. Yeah.

If you're in a good position, like, you're always going to feel like you're in a good position. But when you have four people, same tribe and no one can make moves, that is the time you want to trim the fat if you can't. Like, send me back to tribal every single time. I get rid of the people I don't trust. And I'm fine. Yeah, I mean, to address the issue of what if both of them had thrown,

that did happen once in a recent Australian survivor season, where both, it was a situation where two individuals were, like, throwing something and both of them were intentionally missing and to protect their people on the opposite sides and the host there finally figured it out and he's like okay you both want to go to tribal council then and so you know that was what encouraged them to finally doing it now would they have actually changed it to make that happen i don't know but it was a nice little threat to to add in there wait wait what if jason went to go help the other team mid-challel. Like, no, I mean, Noel helped the other team beat us. I mean, where, like, where can we, like, where can we push the rules? I mean, like, in the day, like, I don't, like, I don't know. Yeah. It would be interesting. I would guess that once he was, like, retrieving the balls that were being thrown, I would guess that there was a rule, like, you cannot touch the other tribes ball. And it's always a good at rule to say, you cannot touch someone else's balls without their permission. So.

Hey, I don't know, right? This is a tough situation and I mean, yeah. It is an interesting conundrum for me for throwing because Jason said, my plan is to erase tribal lines in order to break the us versus them mentality. But how do you do that if you won't share any information with that? Well, right. And that's the biggest problem for Jason coming into this tribe was he was acting like Hina strong, even coming into a tribe where there was only two Hina members on that, that tribe.

So you, again, you can't have it both ways. You can't be like, well, I'm, you know, I'm all about Hina, but I want tribal lines to go away. Yeah, no, that doesn't, that doesn't compute. You have to get in there and be hating on Hina. Be like, oh, the worst people ever. Like, what are we doing? I'm so happy to be rid of them. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. And you can't out Sophie, Sophie's mission in the game. Like, your goal. when you go into that position to say, hey, I'm weak, I'm yours. Yes. I'm a puppy. I'm a lost puppy.

Please. And Sophie, like, she's smaller than you. Like, she, like, you are a puzzle king, puzzle beasts. You've been eating this whole entire time. Like, you've probably had all this energy. Like, you are being cagey. Like, the people that want you to play a game,

like a little talky talk you're not playing a talky talk with. Right. Some people respect the not talky talk. I get it. But it's kind of like, but like how do you go against a super wounded puppy? That's why I even think about throwing the challenge when there's two on that tribe.

Like I feel like those smaller people coming in, their threat level comes in so low. And you really see what happened last season where they're like, okay, Sedrick and say, Cedric, peace. Nice to meet you. You rarely see that. Someone's always like, well, I can bring them under my wing

and take them to the end. And it's like, you kind of have to, if you're at the you kind of want to take as much stuff out of production hands as possible and own as much as you can from a power standpoint as a player so when you think you have numbers from a numbers numbers point of view like this swap at this time I think especially before the merge one of those times you kind of you kind of have to throw and I think if this happens again you're going to see if the tribes are like that you're going to see a possible throw which I think will be great television yeah yeah I mean you know Jessica you said he didn't give

any information. I understand why he wouldn't give away the real goods. You know, if he could make it to merge, the last thing he'd want is to blow up his alliance with MC and her idol. He needed like you said, he needed to give them something. Talk about Christina. Talk about Matt before he left. Yeah.

Pretend he wasn't in great. Like you said, oh, I hate those people. Just do anything. But instead, his main pitch was that he was tight with them and he could help build bonds. But who builds bonds? Who needs bonds when you have numbers? even Savannah made

you know even Savannah made comments about you know this week about needing to work with some of the original Ouli but Rob said I know it all no you don't

you have six they have four the end done so math it's just math math wins like I don't like I feel like that's the thing about

Survivor like like from a like a fan point of view and then like a player point of view like when you have agency and you have math you want to just keep the math in your favor. Like, that's kind of, the people that, that want to do trigonometry, you want to get out.

People that want to do arithmetic, you keep in. It's like, that is how it works, right? And the more at the bottom of you are, the more you want the trigonometry to happen. And it's like, but a good survivor play is boring because it's about the numbers and taking your group far to then. Like, Survivor technically should be a bonging every kind of year, but the personality is strong and that just stops it, right? You know, who wins, it goes X, Y, Z.

Right? Yeah. But I'm excited. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's like I said earlier that I'm happy watching a peggonging if it's well thought out and well planned and that's, you know, well executed. I suspect based on what Jeff has said, this won't be a full on pegoning because he was like, oh, the end of the season's really exciting, which, I mean, I know Jeff sometimes his idea of

what's exciting and interesting and, you know, a good winner versus a bad winner, et cetera. Don't necessarily align with everyone else. So we can't take what he says at face value. But we'll, you know, we have to keep hope alive as we're watching this season. And so, yeah, he just, he needed to give them something and he didn't. Now, of course, one major thing we didn't see was that there was a whole discussion of the original Uli turning in on themselves.

We got a very small hint of it when Jason mentioned to Jawan that they should go after Rizzo. And then, you know, considering he ended up voting for Rizzo, it was clear even as I was watching it, okay, he must have thought that plan had legs. And as I expected, he expanded on that in his interviews, talking about how Savannah was really pushing him all day to join their supposed vote against Rizzo, telling him it would show his loyalty. etc. And looking back, he realizes, of course, that as he told Gordon Holmes, the whole thing was a big wild goose chase to keep him occupied, so he didn't have any actual strategic conversations with people or realize what was really happening or just even have time to think. One thing he amusingly told Mike Bloom was, I'm very oblivious. I think that another person in my spot would have done better than me. But he added that the rest of them deserve credit for pulling this off

against him and I agree. They just completely outschemed him here. Yeah, 100%. And I do think that part of his issue as far as the, you know, the scheming is concerned, he had nobody to scheme with anything else, right? It was like him and them. And they were like, oh, this is what we're going to do. And so, okay, I guess that's what we're going to do. Because who else is he going to talk to about anything different? There's no options. I feel like the key advantage of Survivor. If you have one person that you can like, even if you're in the minority,

you have one person that you can talk game with. I think Heather, Heather and Erica, right? They're at the bottom, but you can have complete game communication. So at least you're transferring information. Like, I think that's the one thing about voting out your allies that isn't talked about. It's not that their vote.

It's the information. That conversation where you know they're telling you the truth and you can double check someone else is kind of more valuable than almost anything else when you're playing the game, right? And when you're on an island with nobody you can talk to, like, you really is you and your water, sleep, food deprived self in their conversations. And then everybody talking to you, you're going to believe some of it because, but they're just talking to you one time and they're lying to you. And then the rest of their conversation where you're not there. they're having nice conversation and telling the truth and they're lying to you so you're there short but everybody's in on it like that's just how the survivor works yeah yeah I mean that's one thing he said also was that they they just locked up when he was around they kept all the

information from him and they gave him nothing he said he didn't even know joan was on the bottom so like we can't even really say he should have tried to get them to turn on joan because he was like best buds with Geron had no clue that you know I mean I don't know it it did not seem like Savannah was hiding it very well but I don't know that Joanne realizes that he's on the bottom with her and clearly Jason and so I think it must be a situation where Savannah is hiding it better than it seems and keeping it mostly to confessionals or to other people she trusts. Right. But, you know, in the meantime, Savannah was really the only one talking strategy with him. So like you said, of course he went along with her. It was the only possible

lifeline he believed he had. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, he tried to get in good with Joanne. And I think if they'd won immunity this time and made it further in the game, that relationship could have ended up helping both of them. Sure. But it wasn't going to do it. anything this time. Joanne told us we are a solid five and that unfortunately leaves my boy Jason on the bottom. John wasn't going to rock the boat to save Jason like you said James it goes back to math. He doesn't have the votes to rock the book. It's kind of like it's kind of like being in a small tribe but like imagine starting small tribe survival with people that you know. It's kind of like you're going to choose the people you're starting out a small car. It's kind of we said we want these

things in Survivor, but then when we get them, it's like, I read a Jeff's at 3-3-1-1 and call it a day. Like, we're going to go 3-3-1, either you're going to eat the person in the middle or figure something out. Like, right. Like, just. And if they did that, you know what? We'd be hearing complaints about like, oh, you

royally screwed over both of the people from original K-Lay. You put them there and you screwed them over. Or the opposite thing, oh, you gave too much power to the people on K-Lay to choose and to side, which side poggongs the other.

So, you know, there's, it's a no-win situation, which I think is why they do it randomly. But then you end up with situations like this. See, the next time we get down to two, I feel like we just scrap the challenge and go straight to charades. Like, I feel like Survivor really sometimes, like, we're, just take all the physical up calli out. We're doing charades. If there's two people, y'all should be a, charades taboo, where is Hasborough out here to say

when we get down here? We're going one round taboo, winter takes off. Like, literally raise the stakes. Like, and then the last two, you got, you go on a tribal, it's fire. Like, I feel like tribal council has been our tradition that we have, but I feel like from a storytelling point of view, there can be other stories. Like, that doesn't necessarily end with tribal every single time where tribal being the highlight, sorry for saying that.

I just think that we may have gotten to that point now where maybe you have tribal, but you want to see what, why into what and the why, as opposed to, I don't know. That's just my crazy thought. That may be... I mean, yeah, I can't agree with getting rid of tribal council. We saw in Big Brother what happened when they decided, oh, we're going to do this thing and not vote someone out. You know, that was terrible.

So now, you mentioned you're getting into Australian Survivor. I don't know if you've watched some of the early seasons. They have a charades challenge. They do. It is hilarious. Musical chairs, like literally. Like, I feel like, I feel like sometimes we really just, we get it high. It's going back to the kindergarten games

and the elementary school games, yeah. I think that would be a whole different show. That's a that's a squid game. Oh, I love that. This is how you sell it. What you say is we lower our production costs, increasing the fun factor, and we can brand and sell these survivor games of people,

like Survivor Jacks, Survivor Hobscotch, Survivor, yeah, like this is Survivor Bachi. Like, we're playing Bachi on the beach. no one we did too know what they didn't show that we play Bashi on the beach like it's like literally there's like they're really sitting on gold mines and stuff that happens out there where it's like

oh you thought we were going to a physical challenge we're playing Bachi on the beach like imagine that would be hilarious like it's kind of like and we're playing so I think there's ways to kind of get creative highlight the players doesn't have to be challenges but like stuff that's kind of

interactive and fun as well I mean even going back to like from season one. Okay, you have to shoot a bow and arrow. You, you know, do a blow dart. You throw a spear. You know, that sort of thing. Too athletic. You don't want to be all physical now.

I mean, a blow dog is not terribly athletic. Do you remember the challenge where they had to flip over tiles and try to with the colors and they had to make sure they could keep moving and once they were in a block where they couldn't move anymore? That was awesome. I agree that

there are much different challenges that can be utilized that bring out a different type of player, a different type of strategy. It's not all about physicalness. It's not all about puzzles. It can be something of the sort, but a different type of game. So yeah,

I'm in support of this, James. I think it's great. So, all right. Well, put James in charge. We'll mix things up here. All right, well, we can move on to the second rule. We kind of drifted off there talking about games. That's okay.

So the second rule says not to scheming plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. And I don't think Jason had a problem with the former, but he did have a problem with the latter right from the start of the swap because, as we've already talked about, he was being by his own admission, Kagey. He didn't give Savannah the answer she was looking for. Instead, you know, he didn't say, of course I'll drop my Hina allegiances. He talked about, like I mentioned, helping to steer the Hina bullets away from them when they murder. urge. And again, I know what he was trying to do, but that was not what Savannah wanted him to say. It seemed like what she heard was, I'm going to stay original Heena Strong and I'll also protect you for a while. I'm pretty sure that's not what he was trying to say,

but in her mind it was. Yeah. Yeah. And that's miscommunication. That happens all the time on Island. Happened to me out there. I told Owen and a well, like, we can work together for a couple of votes. They thought I meant for a couple of votes. I was like, no, like we could just work together. Like we have to start with one or two. Like if I told you I promised you the world, would you believe that? You're going to say? Like, it's kind of you're really in that heart. You're like, okay, like, if I promise you we're going to the end, like, does that give

me credibility or do I tell you something that really makes sense? Does that give me credibility? And the surviving, that's the thing about survivor. You're damned if you do and damned if you do and don't. So I'm pretty sure you can go to Nate and say the same thing. And Nate will allow you. I appreciate that he's being. And, you know, other people were like, well, I wish you could be more.

You can't really win. And that's why Survivors are a great game. Yeah. Yeah. Now, of course, we also saw Savannah tell us that everyone on original Hina had started this war between the tribes anyway because they were all chanting at challenges. Now, I did a video earlier today about this because it, it's kind of silly to rationalize the obvious that, of course, a six-person tribe would go against a six-person tribe. you know but it showed her mindset that chanting showing that they were all super tight with each other I thought she was reading way too much into it that this was not like when Tuponi was yelling

top five baby after a swap in front of his original tribe mates yeah but then she commented on my TikTok and you know laughed about it and said something to the effect of hey I just answered the questions they were giving me uh so yeah no that is I think this is a new era thing where, like, you know, I think when you are with a tribe for 10 days, I think this is the thing people don't understand, right? It's kind of, you have these 10-day buckets you're not going to travel. They're tight. And you have to be aware of how tight you're seeming to the other group,

no matter what's happening. And coming in, you know, yelling, you know, a chant, isn't going to make anybody think that you're not tight. Hoping another group in a puzzle. Is it going to make people think that you're not tight? Like, it's kind of these things that, you know, draw attention to you that may necessarily be good. You have to kind of put your foot down and say, nah, we can have fun after we win, but we're not, like, that's some cocky stuff. Like, it's able to, yeah, so, mm-hmm.

I mean, to me, it's like, it seemed like it was Christina suggesting it and they all just went along with it. And they all had fun with it. Don't get me wrong. But I don't think you can judge one particular person based on what the tribe as a whole did. And, that's a viver, though. Survivor just kind of how it works. It's like, oh, that's an Aho tribe. Cool.

Like, that's how it works. And it's true, because they don't know who necessarily came up with it. They don't know. You see what happens when they get to the map, but you don't see what's happening back before the decisions are made when they get there. So, yeah, I mean, then it is, it's kind of, it becomes the whole group as opposed to one individual person. Yeah.

And that was exactly it. You know, I mean, we talked about already. why Jason was being cagey, but by not providing information, even information like that or disinformation, for that matter, it allowed Savannah and the others to fill in the blanks by what they already believed. And they believed Hina was unbreakable. So therefore, you know, it goes along with that.

Yeah. Yep. So, all right, well, the third rule tells players to be flexible. Jessica, how do you think Jason did in terms of this rule? Well, considering everything we just talked about, I would say not great because he was Heena strong and he was going to do everything you could to keep the Heena bullets away. But I do think that Jason wanted to be like he had an interest, I think, in the people that he found himself with after the swap. But he needed to ingratiate himself with them more.

And so I don't think it was so much of a I don't want to. It was the representation of how to. Like he wanted to be able to work with them, but he got it kind of mixed as far as the message is concerned, where he was trying to sell them on this idea that I can bring others with me if you choose me, but that's not what they heard. They heard, oh, well, he's not willing to bend in our direction. He's still with Hina.

So I do think that the messaging that Jason tried to portray did not represent him as being flexible. Yeah. Yeah. And he's going to get Sophie. Sophie can say, I can get my people and it doesn't ring as hard. It's just how it is.

It's just kind of you're fighting against like a shadow that like you can't. It's hard. Like it's a bad to my repeat. Like I feel bad for these situations. It's bad. It's bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think at the start of the swap, you know, like you were saying, Jessica, he, he had an idea of how to handle it. but then he realized what was happening and knew he had to change it up. So he was willing to be more flexible and jumped on board this plan to go after Rizzo and even said in interviews that he would have turned on Joanne if he had known that was a possibility.

But as we discussed, they kept him in the dark. He thought he was being flexible, but they just led him down this fake garden path. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control. them. And I mentioned in the first rule that we'd be talking about Jason's reluctance to reveal information here. It's because of how tight his bond was with MC. As he discussed in interviews, he had bonded with her as a fellow alternate in particular when she showed him the beware advantage that she'd found and said something to the effect of you and me, we deserve to

play this game as much as anybody else. And I totally understand why that would be a powerful moment to him. But this whole rule is about not letting your emotions control your game. And he acknowledged in interviews if it had been someone else, he might well have given that information to his new tribe mates. But he didn't because it was MC. Yeah. Well, and I do feel for both MC and Jason in this regard because and James, you know what it feels like preparing yourself mentally and physically and even just like emotionally, all of the shopping you have to do for the clothes. I mean, just all of these things and the paperwork you're filling out. So there's so much buildup getting there in the first place.

And there's so much mental, like, strain and just the preparation. And to have Jason and MC find out, you know, 10 hours before the game is to start, they've already kind of resigned themselves to the idea of, well, I'm going home now. I mean, Jason even talked about that. And he was like, well, I guess that's it for me. Like, I get to go back and be with my fiancé, and that was nice. I had a little bit of a go at it, and I'm not playing. So you really have to be, I would imagine, in a different headspace if that's what's happening.

Where I don't know if you are too excited going in because you haven't had the time to really process the fact that you're playing the game because leading up to it, you were the alternate. And so I don't know if perhaps that affected his ability because he did say he was so excited for those first few days because he was like, I'm actually playing. I wasn't supposed to be playing. So I'm curious if that didn't have some effect on him as well just because he did not have that time to really prepare himself for the game itself because he was always considering himself an alternate, even when he was on the island. yeah i mean i think that i mean i think geo talked about it a lot like your mentality going out there as an alternate versus being you know knowing that you you're probably playing because i mean even in my head i thought at any point that you know the rug can be pulled for under me so i was super scared upon it was like i don't know about it maybe this is the newer the new error everybody

is like cool but i was like shook and scared i'm like yeah don't even look at people few people that were supposed to be on this season should have been a lot more skis. It's like, Owen, stop giving me with the eyebrows, stop giving me, it's like, it's like, you're upon the road so you do certain things. Like, like I home the 76th year song by and Lindsay. I thought she had a Philadelphia thing on.

Like, it's like you, like you, like people are doing things, but you're not going to go, go crazy. But, you know, it's tough. I feel like to be able to come in and to kill the puzzles and to be able to, you know, adjust with the tribe. And I think that tribe overcame a lot, we probably needed to lose one of these, lose one of these tribals, one of these times.

Like, you want to get four, at least four. And I think it's a bad beat. I think he played well. I mean, just kind of what happened. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, when it came to the MC thing about, you know, because he even said, he told Mike Bloom, what is the emotional turmoil as I try,

to keep, as I want to keep Hina close. I think it's because the me and MC of it all. And do I regret kind of keeping that close? Maybe. But I think I am also proud of the fact that when it came to, when it was something that was potentially an upside, I stuck to my guns that way. And then he seemed to be speaking directly to us. And maybe he was because we know he listens to R.H.A.P. in general.

He said, and I know that's going to be like, Jason lost it because he didn't do that. whatever, screw it. I lost because I didn't do that. Who cares? That relationship was really important to me. So I'm over here going, who shots fired. But the thing is,

I can see both emotional and strategic reasons for this decision. The emotions obviously stemmed from them both being alternates who unexpectedly got into the game. And yes, he should have put that aside. But if we put it aside from a purely strategic, standpoint. As we discussed earlier, she was his closest ally. And I understand not wanting to reveal information that could hurt their game if he made it through. And plus, I think you mentioned

this earlier, Jessica, I don't think telling his new tribe mates about this would have helped him anyway. Yeah. This was, you know, this was not the same situation as Sage where the original Heena, if they had to go to tribal council, would have to choose between her and Savannah. In Jason's tribe that choice had already been made they voted out mass mat first and they adopted sophie so there there was no other outsider choice to be made there was you know he was he didn't need to get mad at me in advance uh jason because i do understand that decision uh you know just as i said earlier he just he needed to give something else just not that yeah agreed so Fly Air Transat

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varies by region. See app for details. all right well we can move to the fifth rule which reminds players that they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game now james we talked about jason being somewhat cagey but do you think that impacted him for this rule No, I feel like, you know, I feel like no one said he was a bad person. I think people wanted to like, I think I don't anybody, I don't think anybody was anti-working with them. I think the reluctance was communication that he didn't give them the energy back. So I feel like he was approachable at from the very least. He maybe didn't give the answers the way that they wanted, but I don't think anybody

felt, you know, any type of way about the way he handled himself. I think people kind of respected it to a certain extent the way he did. So I can't fault him here with this rule at all. I mean, none of them really much more about it. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's, you know, I think Jason did fine here. You know, as Savannah said to him, it's hard to make bonds with people you've just met.

And he was in a worse situation where it wasn't a bunch of people who all just met each other. It was being the new guy amongst a group who spent a week together already, like you were saying, James. So, you know, he managed that aspect. he became fast friends with Joanne and seemed to get along with everyone else. But the problem was, as Joanne said, I like Jason, but these are the hands we were dealt. And as much as they got along, you know, Jason wasn't going to try to pull off some big move. I'm sorry, Jane, Jawan was not going to, too many JA names, was not going to try to pull off a big move just to save Jason. And, you know, Jawan was right in that thing.

Mm-hmm. so we can move to the sixth rule then which warns against being too much of a threat and to my mind jason posed a threat in two specific ways the first was the obvious he was very likely to switch back to original heena at the merge no matter what he said or how he talked about wanting to dissolve original tribal bonds keeping him posed that big risk especially since keeping him means voting out one of their own numbers to save jason putting them at least even with the original Hina and possibly at a deficit depending on what was happening there with Sage and Savannah, which of course the Uli on this tribe didn't know. Considering everything we've talked about already with their thinking, this really did seem to be the most important point. We've alluded to it leading up to here. It's just incredibly difficult for Jason to get around this. I can see some scenarios where it might have been possible they were just not very likely

they would have required that he really put all his effort into throwing original Hina to the wolves plus realizing that Jawan was on the bottom of original Uli just to have any chance of success I think one thing Jason could have did I don't know what rule is saying he could have just said

forget the rock drawl I'm going if y'all don't want me to go say you don't want me to go and shoot somebody but I want to go I feel like I'm not doing a rock draw. I'm at the bottom. I'm clearly at the bottom. I just want to try to have something. And if you don't want me to go,

just say it and shoot somebody else, but I'm going. I feel like you kind of have to kind of step up and kind of, you got to, I mean, that's the one thing you kind of have to try to do. And then when you get there, MC is there at the challenge. So do you have enough? So like now you're at the challenge with MC.

And now maybe you both are looking for this thing. Like maybe you get a, you know, safety without power or something. and you're able to rock the boat, you know what I agree. But from what he said in his interviews, he had already been, I don't want to use the word beaten down, but let's say warned by like Savannah and Rizzo previously. Like, hey, come on, you really want to show your part of the team here.

You really want to do this. And so I let in like, I mean. Well, but if he had said, stop me or else I'm going, I think Savannah would have said you're not going. I think she easily would have done that. And we know where we at then. Because it could be like, I feel like that's the one thing about Survivor. It's kind of like you kind of have to know when to kind of put your like,

like I think Parve did it really well in a year. We're like when you have the right to say something, right, like literally based on the game. And it may be confrontational, maybe, but you actually have the right based on the game to say it. Right. And you kind of say those things. Like when she's like, I've heard you guys are coming after me.

She has the right to say it how she got it. So I think that's, I think, I think more of those moments can happen, but it's hard to happen to kind of have that when you're out there to kind of do that. But I mean, you got to kind of know when you're, when you're fighting for your life, at least in a swap situation. True. Lines size happened. But these numbers are these numbers right now, you know? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

That's a fair point. So the other issue that I think may have hurt Jason in this rule was his puzzle skills. We've talked about it already. it's good to have I think he said someone called him puzzle Jesus so you know I don't know if puzzle Jesus gets high off of puzzle God but but you know he he said well they all know the merge is around the corner so and they all know puzzles are everywhere in Survivor right but does it hell I mean normally you'd say we're still in the tribal phase let's keep the puzzle guy with us but they know it's around the corner yeah so do they want to go when they get there? Do they want to go against the puzzle genius in the individual challenges? So here's it. Here's a though.

They, they, they, people remember who finishes puzzles. Like, they may not talk about it, but if you were in a challenge and your team was behind and you were doing a puzzle and you magically came to the front,

the people that were on the puzzles, they know, like people were looking at how you operate during the game, looking at your communication. So like Jason's probably battling being a good communication. also being, it's like, oh, he's calm under pressure. It's like, so you're getting all these things

that are good as a teammate, right, but are bad if someone's looking at you. So you have to kind of, I think that's the one thing you have to look at that you don't think about when you were out there. You don't want to seem like you're too good of a teammate because then that means that people are going to automate with you as a lynch pan

within the group. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And plus on top of all that, there was a secret scene where he talked about, I mean, he revealed all that he was a software engineer who then quit that to go to law school and that, you know, he wants to be a

public defender to help people, you know, to help those in need because he, he already is, is comfortable from his software engineering job and, and all this other stuff. So it's all these things that just pile on top of this idea of who he is already. He's too nice. Right. Now, with all of that, yeah, with all of that, you know, how much of a role did that play? How much of an impact did it have? I'm sure it was on their mind. But I really think that the issue that we keep coming back to

was in the forefront, which is he's not one of us. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you can't get transferred to a new school and become homecoming king in a day. It's not how it works. It's not how it works.

You could literally be like David like from, I'm making a lot of age references. you can be the golden god himself you still not going to have a homecoming votes like I promise it's like no matter how cool you are and Survivor is kind of like camp it's kind of like high school like you got

to need a little time right right all right we can move to the seventh rule which covers idols and advantages in game mechanics and we've already talked a couple times about how Jason handled the situation of knowing that his tight ally MC had an idol

and my overall position just to reiterate is he was correct not to reveal it. So I don't really have anything more to add to that here. I don't know if either of you two do. Looks like no. No. For those of you just audio only, we got a shrug and headshake. So, I mean, we've already discussed it.

So that makes sense. Yeah. But he did have the opportunity to at least play his shot in the dark. And he didn't do it. This raised the first questions for many viewers from that tribal council. It seemed so obvious that he needed to do it. To us, it seemed obvious, which, of course, made me realize there was some serious bamboozling happening that we just weren't shown, which was indeed the case.

And beyond what we already discussed regarding the plan to keep him, you know, going on this wild goose chase against Rizzo, he told Mike Bloom, it is a very reasonable thing for a person in my position to want to play the shot in the dark. And he believes that part of the reason they spent so much effort on misleading him, him was as he added to Mike, I think that there was this sort of this campaign to squeeze that shot in the dark play out of me by multiple

people. And yeah, I mean, after all, if they convinced him that they needed his vote to get rid of Rizzo and they were with him so he'd be safe, well then there's no need to play the shot in the dark, right? Sure. So it just goes back to what we said in Rule 1 about them out playing

him. Yeah, I really think they did bamboozle him enough to make him feel. And that's what you want. Because, again, they've added this shot in the dark component to the game. So you don't want the risk of the person playing the shot in dark and throwing things off. So you make them feel comfortable. You make it feel like there's a different plan in place. Yeah.

Yeah. And I wonder just from a game mechanic standpoint, does the shot in the dark work in certain tribe settings? But in certain tribe settings, does it really bring cohesion? Because it's like, oh, I remember bringing people together saying, we don't want to the player shot in the dark. And that's something you can rally around to bring you together. because collectively you have a vote you don't want them like that builds a camaraderie I think when you're

trying to start someone using their shy in the dark where you are working together because you have to be on the same page yeah yeah yeah and speaking of the tribe and the other people we can move to appendix A which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind and voting out the weak than the strong then the weak than the strong

now as I mentioned last week at this point in the game there are two reasons to consider a player weak. Alliance and challengeability, except that we already discussed challengeability isn't really a consideration now because they expect the merge imminently. I mean, even if they had another challenge as this tribe and it involved a puzzle that they lost

because they didn't have Jason anymore, it seems like Savannah, you know, at least Savannah would be okay with like, okay, bye, Joanne. You know, so, and they'd still probably have that numbers advantage, especially with Sophie on their side. So, yeah, I think even it, they didn't even see it really as a risk. Yeah, I don't know.

And options. Yeah, this two tribe thing, like moving this whole going to a new high school before a senior dance thing that they have going on, trying to find a date to the prom is not looking, looking good. I feel like you only can do this if you have a nice bit of tribal before this and stripe. But like, I feel like for the next time this happens when no one's going to tribal. I don't know what to do, but this ain't it, maybe one world. It goes straight with one world. Well, and that's, but I mean,

that comes back to why you don't want a disaster tribe. Why you don't want to set things up to encourage a disaster tribe because it's one reason. They made the blue tribe strong. They had the strongest guy on the blue tribe.

Alex is the second strongest guy. Like, they really tried. Like, they gave them the strong people. They put the two altars on the yellow tribe for a reason. I mean, they gave them the strong people. but they didn't give them anyone who could do a puzzle for anything. I mean,

they had one puzzle where they literally had no pieces. I mean, you would think that you're going on, like, I'm going to live here. The Survivor puzzles aren't like the hardest in the world.

You can, like, it's kind of like, there's a method to all the, like, puzzle solving madness and, you know, it's like,

there's a way to do each kind of a puzzle. Like, you kind of look at this, like, like, if you're going on these shows, like try one. I don't know.

Like, I get it, but you kind of, I feel like that's your goal. If you want to get a million dollars, like if you don't want a million dollars, then, you know, leave it to somebody else's fate, you know? Right. That's my thought. Yeah. So this leaves us with one area to worry about in terms of being weak, and that is the alliance area.

And we already know the answer to that because we've discussing, been discussing it for the last hour and a half. They had a choice. They could vote out the person who is almost definitely going to flip back to Uli, or vote out the person who a couple of them suspected might maybe not be loyal even though he ran back to you with all the information last vote

and he did it again this vote and he did everything he did to protect the group including rigging the rock draw but sure you're worried about Jawan flipping on you come on the rigging the rock draw that's pretty impressive that's impressive that's impressive but also you kind of have to expect it

like I don't like I feel like that's why at that point I'm like all right who do you really it sucks you have no one you can actually really trust right and it's like double agent yeah yeah I mean I did a video on that and I said you know that you know let this be a lesson to all future survivor players if you're on the outs and someone says let's do a random draw well don't let them set up the random draw let it be something out in the open let it be you know something that do where everyone can see it don't expect them to just be honest because this is not a game

of honesty. Yes. Shout out to Lawrence. Shout out the Lawrence. She would kill me for me not, you know, missing that she rigged the watch all as well. So shout out. Yes. Yeah. So Nate told us if they, if they voted out to Juan

instead of Jason, they would be declaring this game is wide open. And, you know, this was proposed on TV as if it were something that was a good thing, but it's not, you don't want the game to be wide open. You want the advantage. Yes.

As Savannah said, if they do that, they could be setting themselves up for failure against the original Heena. So again, it was never, ever a reason for them to keep Jason and they made the right decision. Yeah. It's a numbers. It's a numbers thing. 100%. No one was a wide open game where you're in a power position.

Like, that's kind of. Right. And again, it's a game for a million dollars. Yeah. Yeah. We're not playing for our position. Yeah, we're not, not playing for like 20,000, like, you know, a trip to Disney world. Like, you know, we're playing once in a lifetime for a million.

I mean, they bought us back every three months just to play, you know. I would love to do it, but, you know, it's not what happened to here. Right. I mean, you're not with your, you're not playing Candyland with your kid and allowing your kid to, oh, look, you're ahead of me. Let's, you know, oh, I'm way ahead, but oh, I got sent back to, I don't know, gumdrop Mountain or whatever. It's been a long time. kids are much older. You know,

you know, so yeah, you don't want the game wide open. Right. But all right. Well, it is about time. I'm sure many people are going to see the time,

the length on this and be like, how could they talk about Jason for an hour and a half? Well, because half of that time we didn't talk about Jason. Right. There's a lot of other stuff. Yeah. But it is time to wrap things up about Jason.

So James, what are your final thoughts on him? Man, like, I feel like Jason was a really good play. I feel like this was a new era curveball where I feel like if the situation arises in the future, knowing the players that we do have, that we will have some, you know, I think this will cause that would be a pioneering of some, some, some fully redoing challenges, which I think will be answer to us things. I think when you see something in Survivor and now you know how it goes, everything changes afterwards. So I'm kind of excited for the future now.

if we do one of these things where someone may just throw a challenge and see how that works. I think he played a great game, killed the puzzles. I think he's got a bad break, bad beat. It happens sometimes.

I don't like a tribe swap half. Once you start playing the game, you establish yourself, it sucks when arbitrary things happen regardless, not to your fault. Like, it's not his fault. They want to do this weird

switcher-roo in 49. Not his fault that with disaster tribe. Like, yeah, so. But great job. Love watch you play. Hope you get to play again. And, yeah.

Yeah, I really feel like Jason was like living his survivor dream because it really was like the dream since he was an alternate not supposed to be on the season and then finding out all of a sudden he was. He prided himself on his adaptability and his pregame interviews. And I will say that Jason probably. entered into the game with more excitement and just like, oh my gosh, like eyes wide open than most people do because he didn't have that time to really prep for it because he didn't expect to be playing. And I don't think that that worked against him. I think that it actually

caused him to be more excited than I think most players are. And maybe that's what led to his really wanting to be like Heena Strong because he was so excited to be part of this tribe and so excited to be part of this group. And he found himself on a winter. tribe, as Jason was already mentioned, Jason wasn't on the losing tribe. He wasn't on that blue tribe that we all thought was going to do so well. And they ended up not doing so well. And so unfortunately for Jason, even though the game was going well, you throw a swap in the way and all of a sudden it wrecks things. And if you don't have the ability, even though he pride of himself on being adaptable, being as adaptable as you need to be in that moment, you can

find yourself on the outs and he really did find himself on the outs, but we can look at someone like Sophie who's not on the outs because Sophie did something different than what Jason did. And so unfortunately, again, things are outside of his control, but there are certain things he could have controlled. Maybe he could have controlled that Hina component of himself. Put that in the box. Put that away. I don't care about Hina anymore. And I just want to move forward with the group of people that I'm going to play this game with moving forward. But he wasn't able to do so. I really did enjoy Jason though. He seems like an incredible human being, very impressive human being with all the things he's been able to accomplish. So kudos to you, Jason,

for getting out there and finding out 10 hours before the game that you're going to play. I don't know how you actually process that, but that's incredibly impressive. So yeah, sorry for the swap. Swaps can suck. They can also be great. Depends on how it falls. And unfortunately for Jason, it did not fall in his favor. Yeah. Well, Jason found himself in a really bad spot after the swap. He was at least lucky that Matt was there as well, so he had a one-person buffer to try to make something happen, but he wasn't able to do that. He started off with too much caginess as he tried to figure out his best path, but unfortunately for him, that path was to not be cagey from the start. With that said, even the best path he could hope for was a very

rocky one. As he said at the start of this episode, I hope that we kick ass at the next couple challenges and indeed that was truly his best hope and but then there was no puzzle to save him was this survivor episode exciting no no not really but sometimes that's what happens when people play the way they should there are situations when a decision is obvious and there just isn't much producers can do to mix things up no matter how hard they try and it sure didn't help that they planned the most boring journey ever on top of it but none of the that is Jason's fault. I know the episode made it seem like this was some big debate among Savannah and the other original Uli, but come on, it obviously wasn't. There's a reason we weren't

shown Savannah's fake plan that had Jason running in circles. Because we would have known it was all a ruse. It would have been obvious they were just duping Jason and there would have been literally no suspense. Now, as I watched, I didn't think there was any suspense anyway, but I know some viewers took that red herring of the Jawan possibility a little more seriously than I did. The original ENA members simply did not believe that they could rely on Jason going forward. As I mentioned earlier, he had a very small chance of succeeding if he had handled the swap very, very differently from the get-go, and he had realized the true positioning of J-Wan in the group. Even then, it was unlikely they would have kept him. He would have needed to go all in

on convincing them that he was 100% with them going forward and had zero connections to the other side, despite all the chanting and Matt refusing to vote for him last time because of that original Heena Bond. He was in a bad spot. And to ensure he didn't even have a one in six chance of making it through, he was outschemed by the combined work of five different people. And that is why Jason lost. Sorry, Jason.

Yeah. sorry. Yeah, there are not many times where it comes down to, you know, be like this, but this one was one of them. So, but there was still, you know, hopefully a lot of things to discuss. Now, before we get to our predictions for next episode, I do want to mention that next week, we will have another returning guest. We'll be moving from Survivor 43 to Survivor 44 as we are joined by runner-up Heidi

Ligaris Greenblatt. Yay. Yes. now also note that because it's Halloween we will be recording a little later than usual so watch for it like Saturday afternoon or evening depending on how schedules yeah we have to celebrate some Halloween on Friday well we do because you know what other season it is Jessica oh there they are candy corn season so gross and you know what else please don't tell me you're a candy corn fan I mean fan is a strong word but I don't Like, like, will I eat some candy corners in the jar? Am I like, you know, the doctor's office? Not the daughter's office, but like a random, like, yeah, maybe, maybe I'll try it, but me.

Yeah, no, I can't. I can't. And then I also found this. Candy corn marshmallows. What? Yes. That's gross. I was looking for.

They already taste bad. Why would you then put the bad flavor in a marshmallow? Well, see, here's the thing. when I tried these they don't really taste like candy corn I'm not really sure what they taste like they're shaped like candy cord they have candy corn

just don't read the ingredients it's kind of bad like there don't read the bag in the packaging in America like it's just very disappointing yes scary so but you know we're not here

to advertise candy corn I just had to remind Jessica that it is candy corn of course because it's candy corn and peeps right right yeah unfortunately they were out of the Halloween peeps when I was looking.

So I could have had that too. Now, we do want to remind everyone, although we're not selling candy corn, we do sell posters of the rules and t-shirts with the poster design and t-shirts with the checklist design. So again, as I mentioned earlier, go to Rob has a website.com slash YX lost feed and you can get any of those. Before Jessica, before you jump into where people can find us, James, where can people find you. So, no, no, um, Jay to the Jones on Instagram. Jay to the Jones on Twitter. Jay to the Jones

on, I believe TikTok. I try to, I'm trying to talk. I think it's Jay to the Jones on Switch too, but that doesn't really get used too much. Um, yeah, but you can find me, uh, yeah, that's where I be. Blue Sky. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm on Blue Sky. J to the Jones as well. I'm trying to do better, uh, at tweeting and stuff about the show. I mainly just watch y'all go too crazy in the comments too much about it's about takes and everything out there so chill out you know it's a game like it's not life for death like you know like it's okay like you know people will recover it's fine yeah that's true that's fair well I am on at Jessica Lewis 89 on both blue sky and Twitter and I am at Jessica Lewis 689 on

Instagram. My social media presence is rather calm at the moment. I am not one of those people that James is just referencing. I kind of stepped away a little bit from social media. However, the gentleman who sits next to me, one David Bloomberg, has just elevated his social media game so much so that he is a link tree so you can find all of the places in which he includes his content. So David Bloomberg, what is your link tree and how can people find? you so people can find that at link tree slash david bloomberg or you can find me directly on blue sky is at david bloomberg uh and you know if people who haven't moved to blue sky yet move come on keep come on over come on over let's have our conversations there not on the bad place um also for

videos i mentioned a couple times you know i've posted videos and uh i'm right now i'm posting about two or three reality TV short videos every day on YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram where I'm at David Bloomberg TV. Most of them are, of course, about Survivor 49. Plus, we've got some from Celebrity Traders UK. And now the Traders Canada season three, including a couple of former survivor players, like I just posted a video about Omer, for example. I'm also hosting the hosting and co-hosting the Trader podcast for the Traders Canada. We just recorded the first episode yesterday, so that should be out there. I know it's out there in audio.

It's coming to YouTube. It just takes a little longer to upload, I guess. But maybe by the time this is posted, it'll be close. So again, that's T-R-A-I-D-A-R for that. And then I'll be on for the UK, the Celebrity Traders, UK, also on the Trader next week and for the finale. So, yeah, lots going on with overlapping there. All right. So speaking of lots happening,

let's hope there's a lot more happening on the next episode of Survivor. And it looks like there will be because we know from the preview that appears there are new tribes, another swap. And in fact, there are three new tribes. Yay. So, yeah, Mike Bloom looked in depth and determined, to the best of, his ability that the tribes are as follows. We have Nunu Hina has M.C. Rizzo, Savannah, and Sophie with an eye. Nunu Kelle has Jawan, Sage, Shannon, and Stephen.

And I want to say Nunu Uli, but there wasn't a new Uli. So maybe this is just, you know, there are one new behind. They have Alex, Christina, Nate, and Sophie. So my thoughts. MC in a four-person challenge, MC is a challenge beast. Yes. I think she will ensure that Hina is fine.

Mm-hmm. I feel like Uli has the potential to be the weakest in a challenge. But I also think that Kelle, the people in Kelle have the opposite of whatever plot armor is. You know how some people are like, oh, that person's never going, either a character on a show or on a rally show. They have too much plot armor. I think we have seen too much about Shannon and Sage for it not to happen soon. And so I think because of that reason, just simply trying to read the edit, I think that is a tribe that loses.

And of course, once they do, it should be pretty obvious what happens. They, you know, Stephen will bring Joanne along and it will be three votes against Shannon and she will be shocked as she is blindsided while thinking that everyone was on. her side, except for Sage. So that is my thought. Now, there was also mentioned, there was a preview at the beginning of the season about another possible medevac, and there was a

press release that suggested the heat gets the better of someone. Doesn't outright say that there's a medevac. So there could be a medevac. I don't think it will come, I mean, depending on, well, I guess it must happen during the challenge.

so if there is a medevac during the challenge it's possible that they don't go to tribal council because I don't know that the structure that they have in place can survive another extra person going out sure so you know that could ruin my whole plan

but I'm still going to say that Shannon goes I love what you've put together and I wholeheartedly agree actually because you're just trying to jump on board the bandwagon because I've gotten three in a row right well I should right because I'm not good at this

but I also do think just looking at the structure of the tribes themselves I do think that just challenge wise that red is likely I'm doing colors going to be stronger than blue because you do have some combinations

there that I think would lead. I mean, it's going to be close, but yeah, I do think that we have seen so much of the Shannon Sage and we all kind of were, it seemed like production was really filing it on very thick this

episode. So I feel like there is a necessity or a reason for it. So it wouldn't make sense if that was happening next week. Because isn't it funny that they found themselves together again? So, yeah, I think that makes sense. Do you think they rock all these teams and did they choose these teams

and I'm just mad at this episode. I think it's another rock draw. I don't think they're like I love it James. I'm just mad. That's it. I'm mad. I would find it hard to believe that someone would purposely put Sage and Shannon on the same

team. No, they would do it of course because it's conflict. No, no, no, no. I'm saying that if it was if it was chosen like a a schoolyard pick type of thing. So yeah, I'm sure it's another rock draw where they have three different, you know, or

buff draw, I guess. But isn't it fascinating, though, that you've got Savannah, Sophie, and Rizzo together? I mean, like, I feel like these are a little suspect, right? Like, I'm just looking at the breakdown and I'm like, I'm a little suspect of how they came up with these three tracks. I mean, we'll see how it goes. I'm sure it is random because you have to remember with a random draw, you get

things like this that happened. I mean, we had it happen, what, two, two seasons ago when Rachel was, it was, it was a whole tribe and Rachel, you know, in, in the, the random draw that happened, you know, and I think Christian calculated the odds of that were like 0.3% or some ridiculously small number. But when you're doing, that's the thing about random drugs. You just never know what's going to happen. So can they just go on school how school yard picked this time with the two blues picking? I don't know I'm sorry I'm just I just hate rock draw James is coming up with all of the new ways in which survivors should exist and I love this I just like he's telling you he hates rock draws so when you I hate it too by rock draw you kind of just you're like once you get screwed by walker or you're like why do these things exist like I hate the rock draw well and here's

here's something I don't know if they did this on your season James but every challenge like in the um once you hit the merge and you had to like pick like get in your spot you know whatever spot it was it was you were picking a rock to figure out what spot you were going to be put in so like that's what they were doing with us like he had to in order like the numbered spot that you were going to end up being yeah for the individual challenges yeah the thing is that makes sense because you never want to have the accusation uh producers put their favorite person on the end because that way they didn't have, you know, or they put them in the middle

so they didn't have as much wind affecting them or whatever. Just make everything random. Just give it to the players. Like make every rock draw a schoolyard pick. If you want to raise the drama, just make every, especially before a challenge, she's like, oh.

Oh, God. This, hey, this is, or, hey, this is how what happens? Like, here's the thing. And I, we, we did one school yard pick on my season, and it was horrifying. It was so bad. Yeah.

I might have been picked like, was I picked first or second? And I was like, no. I was one of those like, and then I got picked and it was terrible. And I didn't even get to like participate in the challenge because we were so bad. It was awful.

Like I was doing like the last part of the challenge and I was like, this is so bad. Yeah. And it was for like burgers in a spa. And I was like, I was so. angry. I was so angry. But anyway,

it was a bad school yard pick. Bad school yard pick. So, James, what is your prediction for? I mean, I really believe what you two said was what's going to happen. I'm trying to think of the most interesting television could quite possibly

be New Hina losing and Rizzo, Savannah, and Sophie trying to stop MC from getting a idol. I think that would be the most interesting type of television where I feel like the idol probably doesn't have to have

an iron weight attached to it but I hope it's not if this MC idol is harder than whatever Rizzo was like whatever I would feel so bad but I think this is Shannon's swan song but I

hope for Hina lost for a just entertaining tribal but I do want I do like emcee so sorry Shannon um you and God will be getting high all right well as we wrap up I want to encourage people check out the RHAP patron program at Rob has a website.com slash patron you can get access to all the special podcast put out just for patrons plus Facebook groups and discord and of course you support shows like ours and everything on the network at Rob has a website.com slash patron and make sure you're subscribed to all of the RHAP Survivor Podcasts by going to we know survivor.com.

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So, Jeff Probes, we know you listen to us. Perhaps you should start listening to James as well. That's right. I mean, we know. If you're not going to hire us, hire James. Right. Or hire all three of us. What the heck.

Right. Yes. Yes. Let me add my thanks, James. I'm sorry it wasn't a more strategically exciting episode. And yet we got almost two hours out of it. So, you know, go figure. So yes, thank you.

very much. Jessica, thank you, of course. And, you know, hopefully at some point, sometime soon, we'll, we'll get, you know, something where it's not quite as obvious. And, you know, we can discuss it a little bit more. Uh, so as I mentioned, next week, we will have Heidi on. Uh, so James, thanks again. Thanks for having me. Love going on here. It's always a blast. so appreciate it

truly excellent we appreciate it too so we will see everyone in a week and until then on social media bye bye survivor and you're feeling down David and Jessica

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