RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 2

Episode Date: March 7, 2026

Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 2 Savannah came into Survivor 50 as the biggest unknown in the game. All the others knew was she had won and done something memorable enough to return immediately. Unknown quantities are often seen as threats, so how did she try to address that? Or did she actually make things worse? Liz Wilcox joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to share her thoughts about former Survivor 46 tribemate Q while they all answer these questions. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Savannah Lost. Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serve To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how you're playing yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank Lost. This is Why Blank Lost. Oh, baby, this is why Blank Lost. Welcome back to the 10th anniversary year of Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg and joining me is my co-host. Who knows you never lie on Survivor.

Oh my gosh. Why would you say such a thing? Why would you even suggest it that you would ever lie on Survivor? I mean, come on. Come on. We know the rules here. And joining us once again is special returning guest, Liz Wilcox, who is neither an enemy nor an adversary

which actually mean the same thing, but don't tell coach that. That's so funny to me. I was like, what's up with this? Is adversary like a key word that, you know, the AI bots like to pick up on? And so the producers have asked them to all use it. Like what? Like, why is everyone using that word? I really think he meant to say ally and said adversary instead because it makes no sense otherwise.

It doesn't make any sense. That's true. That's true, but also then, like, later on in the episodes, Surrey said adversary. And I'm like, what? This is what happens when they have their one-on-one discussions when people go on their little walks. They use the same words when they're talking to the players to then, like, feed it into

their language and the narrative. Sure. That's what's happening. Okay. Well, this week, we will not be really discussing much about coach or Surrey. more about Sarie as we get going here, but rather Savannah, who I think Jessica,

both of us predicted, would probably be the first or nearly first out of her tribe. So that was a pretty good picture. No, wait, wait, but do I not get credit? I don't know. For last week. Did you?

Oh. She was my guest for this week. You're giving me way too much credit for remembering these things. Come on. I was stunned because I was like watching this going, my God, my prediction is going to be true. Oz is going to play his idol.

It's going to be. Savannah and then Ozzy didn't play Edel. I'm like, what is happening? And then she went home and I was like, I was still right. I'm sorry, Savannah, but I'm never right about these things. So I can at least celebrate just a little bit. But we did both agree that

her time was going to be short considering what we're about to discuss. Right, exactly. An uphill battle that I think was a very difficult climb for her to make. So yeah. Yes. Now, before we even get into

discussing Savannah. There's one thing I want to mention because in her interviews, Savannah talked about the way she approached coming into Survivor 50 compared to 49. For example, she told Mike Bloom, my mindset coming into season 49 was, I'm going to do this to win.

My mindset going into 50 was, I'm going to experience and have fun and do everything that I can. And as we'll see when we get to the rules, she used this as a reason for making some of her choices. But having that as a reason is not going to stop us from analyzing a decision. That is to say that what we do here is evaluate gameplay. If a move is good, we say so. If it's bad, we also say so. And that's the case, even if it was bad because the person was looking for

an experience. In fact, that very topic is addressed in the opening paragraph of my long form written rules where I said, the other presumption here is that the player actually wants to win the game. They shouldn't be there for the experience or to face the toughest opponent or whatnot. Or rather, they can be if they want, I suppose, but those are not the people who were focused on here.

Survivor is a game and the goal is to win, period. And that is the basic assumption here and these rules can lead good players to that end goal, to quote Harry, a superfan on Australian Survivor, people should play to win. Yes. We say that a lot. We definitely say that a lot. Yes. So that's the way we'll be looking at Savannah, just as we did a few months ago when she won the game. Just the way we do for everyone else.

We'll compare how she played the game to a set of guiding rules for winning. I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. We'll use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes. and of course the newest published version of those rules can be found by going to Rob has a website.com slash YX lost feed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules. But before we get to that, let's check in with you, Liz. How have you been doing since we talked to you last season? Honestly, better and better.

The survivor feels like a fever dream and even being on this podcast. I'm like, why am I on this podcast? Oh, yeah, I did play Survivor. Weird. So it's been almost, I guess, about almost three years, right? Yeah. So, yeah, it just feels like a favor dream. So I'm feeling great.

Doing great. Well, good, good. Now, we always have a few other things we want to discuss before we address how Savannah did in terms of the rules. And first off, Liz, I have to apologize. because when we set up the calendar for this season, I told you I thought Q would be one of the first people out and you'd be able to talk about him. And that hasn't happened.

I'll still talk about him. Actually, let's talk about him because I am finding this hysterical. This episode, my darling Quintavius went on a rant about camp life. Yes. It takes a village, basically. When I tell y'all, this man, was so lazy on season 40s. Sorry, he had to get that in there, you know.

He was so lazy. Oh my God. They even, I'm pretty sure they left in a scene where I was going off about Q does nothing. I'm tired of him. And Kenzie's looking at me like, and I was like, I don't care. And he was literally standing right here. And I didn't know that. Y'all, I was going off because I was tired of him not like he never made fire around camp.

He just laid around. he stole Venus's sleeping spot. Jessica knows that is a sin, right? That is a sin. When someone takes your spot, that's a sin, yes. And it wasn't until somebody, I think it was me that day,

he finally collected some firewood. So I'm over here, dying laughing that he's in a confessional talking about Angelina's like a statue or whatever the heck he said, because I was like, not Q being influenced by these old school players.

Like, oh my God, Q and I, I say it every time, Q and I are so similar. I'm the same. I'm a chameleon, right? Like, if that's what the tribe is going for, then I'm going to go for it. Okay? And clearly, I think his,

the influence of his first camp, Camp Yannu in 46, they didn't have anything. So what's the point? They don't gather firewood because there's no fire to be made. So by the time we made the merge, he just was used to not doing that, I think. So I'm not saying, Hugh is one of the hardest working people I've ever met my life. He came from nothing.

Now he has everything type of guy. So I'm not saying he's lazy, but it's just so funny to me that he was like doing nothing until we started complaining about him. And then he started stepping out. One day, he brought a whole tree. He like chopped out a tree. And I yelled at him again. I was like, cute. We can't burn that.

It's alive. It's wet. Like, we're not burning that, bro. He's like, we can burn it. We can burn it. And there was so much smoke that day. I was like, somebody, get this man out of here. Anyway, it's just, it's just, I find it so deliciously hilarious.

So that's a little behind the scenes action on cute. A little cute nugget. Little cute nugget. Actually, see, you said he was being influenced by the old school players. I think he was being influenced by you. He could still hear you. in his head saying get to work, Q, get some firewood, Q. Thank you for feeding my ego tonight.

I need that. Yes, very funny stuff. Yes. Now, we'll talk later after we talk about Savannah. We'll talk later about how his chances look going into the swap. I have to admit he's surprised me so far. Me too. You know, but we'll see what happens.

Because, you know, that rant, going on that rant, not real great. I mean, it didn't seem to impact anyone. Rizzo just let it go in one year or out the other ear. And I don't know how much he really ranted at the other people. I don't think he cares what Angelina thinks, quite honestly. He does. So, so, yeah, I, we'll see, we'll see what happens in regards to that. Now, I know there's another thing specifically on your mind, Liz, and that is Coach's Toering.

Let's talk about it. So y'all have been dying to tell this story. So when you go on Survivor, they make you claim all the jewelry you're going to wear. Right. Jessica, did they do that? They said, oh, if you're going to wear a necklace or did you have something? I'm still wearing it. But yes, I had to like send pictures so they know exactly.

Exactly what I'm wearing. Yes. So I, in my head, I'm like, oh, I don't wear any jewelry. I don't need to, I don't need to fill this form out. I, it's the morning of, you know, it's like still dark out. We're about to get on the boats. We're about to, you know, see who's on our tribe. And our wardrobe lady, her name was Edith at the time.

And she's like, what's that? What's that on your toe? I have been wearing a toe ring like coach since 2006. And I had forgotten it was even there. I had forgotten it was even there. I'd forgotten because it's like he was saying, oh, this has been on. It's just a part of me.

I don't even know that I'm wearing it. You know, and I never like had surgery or anything before where they're like, oh, you got to take your jewelry off or whatever. So I forgot. And I was like, oh,

that's my toe ring. And it's just, it was like a little heart. Okay. Nothing copyright about it. They made me take this toe ring off. They would not let me. wear it on the show. I bout through a fit, as all of you know I can do,

but that was a defense mechanism. You know, I was like, oh, no, not my toe ring like anything to get those nervous jitters out. And I was like, I can't believe this. This is ridiculous. And they said everything has to be approved. This is not approved. We have alternates waiting. So they threatened me with Rachel Lamont. Rachel was out there, just waiting, right? To over a toe ring. And I thought to myself, I had to call myself down. And I thought, Liz, get it together. Are you really about to lose a million dollars of a toe ring, bitch?

Like, God. Oh, my God. So I had to surrender my toe ring. So when I saw Coach in this episode, oh, this has been honest since 1988 or whatever he said. I said, and everyone was like, ew, ew. I'm like, it's not gross. Literally, you're standing in the shower and all the soap like runs to your feet. I was with coach on that one.

And I loved that Charlie tried the toe ring on. That's just who Charlie is. Charlie is so good at assimilating himself and being so laid back and down for it. Oh, you want to put the toe ring on me? Yeah, coach, go ahead. I was like, oh, my boy Charlie is going so far because look at him putting on that toe ring while everyone else is disgusted. He is stroking the ego so nicely. Yeah.

Anyway, shout out to the toe ring gang. If you've got one, you know, hit me up. I want to see it. So I'm thinking that they made you register all your jewelry because of PG. Because you heard what PG did. No, tell me. So she's a jewelry designer. And she created jewelry that had like fish hooks hidden in it.

That's genius. It was something like that. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's probably why they thought you had a fish hook in your toe ring, you know. Maybe, maybe. I mean, for me, because I thought it was, you know, they just had to get everything approved.

Like it doesn't, it's not copyrighted or whatever. Because even, you know, they tell you when you take your photos, right, your pre-pressed photo, your survivor castaway photo or whatever. Oh, you can wear whatever you want. So I brought this. outfit. I brought this awesome like 1980 shoulder pad jacket and it had like pirate script on it and ships. And I was like, I'm going to be like the female version of Tyson. Like this is so dope. This is the coolest outfit ever. And they, you know, they look at it. They're like, okay, great. They call me back like 20 minutes later. We can't. We're not going to be able to get this approved in time because it had like writing,

but it's like literal gibberish. It's not even like word. and they're like, oh, we're not, we don't know if this is copywritten, whatever. And then I picked another outfit and they denied me that. So by the time they got to the toe ring, I was pissed. Yeah. You know, like the Applebee's thing was inevitable, cue or not. Like, I had had enough of these people telling me there are no rules and then putting rules in place. Oh, there are so many rules.

I got one of my dresses given to me for, that I wore when I was on the jury. I was getting ready and I looked down at the skirt part and I thought, oh, well, that's, that's interesting. They colored it with a permanent marker to cover up, yes, the name, the brand of the dress. It was, nobody told me like, oh, we're going to color on your dress, by the way, but that's how I got it back. I was like, oh, okay. Thanks.

Thanks for coloring my dress with a black. Magic marker. Appreciate it. Well, that's like if you have a tattoo that is, you know, I mean, Kyle, all last season, Kyle had to wear tape over one of his tattoos for, you know. Yeah, you know what's so funny. I wish a Prisks tattoo on our season as well. Yeah.

Kenzie had to wear one because she has like a naked lady on our leg or something somewhere. But what's funny is Q has a Chucky from Rugrats tattoo. But he doesn't have to cover it up. because Paramount owns Rugrats is a Nickelode. So they're like free advertising, baby, you know, because I was like, whoa, that's so cool. And I was like, oh, I can't believe they didn't make you cover up the character. And he's like, CBS, Paramount Nickelodeon, it's all the same.

And I was like, oh, you know, what's another. If you had an Applebee's tattoo, they'd have allowed that. Right here. Yeah. Right here. I should move. Actually, y'all, if I can't, I'm going to move my. camera. Hang on. You all see the Applebee's in the corner? Oh, yeah. Ah, yes, yes, yeah. That was Applebee sent me

sent me some stuff. I shouldn't have moved my camera. We spent so much time before we hit record. Another rule, I'll tell you all real quick, and then we'll get to the David and Jessica show. Whatever, I'm just leaving it. Um, so I actually, I don't know if I've told this story too many times. But I actually wanted to, you know, name the tribe. And I, I told people, oh, let's name it Pelsa. My daughter's nickname, her name is Chelsea. We call her Chelsea Pelsi. I told Dalton Ross, I'm going to try to name the tribe Palsaya. Oh, after my daughter, right? And he was like, oh, good luck. And so I pitched it. I was like Palsaya. It's like, you know, Russell says, restore you know you never lose hope never lose hope palseia means restored hope in phigian or some

shit i said and everyone was like cool hunter called me out palsea that sounds a lot like chelsea and i was like what do you mean he said you know chelsea pelsie or something like that i mean he totally guessed it he's so smart and i was like oh that's not even how i spell chelsea which is not true that is totally how I spelled Chelsea. And I was like, no, that's not true. But everyone said, okay, Liz, yeah, we like that. Pelsaia, restored hope. I said, because at the merge, you have a restored hope. You're still in the game. Your hope is restored. And everyone's like, yeah, we love it. We love it. And so unanimous agreement, even though some people were on to me, and that's fine, right? Production comes back and tells me, where did you get that name?

And I said, oh, it's my daughter's nickname. You cannot name a tribe after fake words. It has to be real words. What? Since when? That's what the producer told me. I almost pulled a Christian and poop my pants because now I have to go back and I said, what the heck?

Now I'm exposing myself as a liar. You're going to make me possibly ruin my game because you told me there were no rules on Survivor. And now you're telling me there's rules. the apple bees thing makes so much sense now these people are just playing me the producers are just playing me dog and he was like i don't know you got to make something up you're on survivor you're obviously creative he said you got them to believe it now get them to believe something else so i had to go back to this tribe it was insane i had to go back to the tribe who's already suspicious that i'm lying you know but they're going to go ahead with it because they like me or

whatever the reason, you know. And I told them, oh, they told me that I, you know, my Google Translate was off. That is, it's nonsense words. And it doesn't actually mean anything. And so, oh, I asked him, can you ask the Fijians what hope really means in Fijian? So I can go back with a real word. And so that's where Nui Nui comes from. It means hope in Fijian.

So technically I still name the tribe. And y'all want to sit on your little keyboards and tell me I had no influence when I'd done name the merge tribe. Okay. After I already lied to them, they still said, yeah, sure, Liz, we'll go with your idea. That's how much I was like. Okay, y'all. But yeah, I could not believe the producers were doing that to me. I was like, you might have ruined my game.

Because what if I would have lost my cool and just been like crying or something about it? you know what I mean? Yeah. Since when can you, you know, to quote Rob, since when? Can you,

can you not, you know, how many were, Eric named it after his mother. That's what I said. I said, well, you used to be able to.

He said, eh, the new era, they have a lot more rules. And I literally pointed in this man's, this is why I'm never going to get invited back. I literally pointed in this man's face. And I was like,

don't tell people there are no rules. if there are rules. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because you might have just sent me home tonight. Yeah, I would have told them, I would have told the tribe, oh, it turns out there's a Fijian clothing brand that has that copyrighted. Damn it.

If only I was eating or would have come up with that. Yeah, exactly. If only somebody would have given me a bourbon burger. Yeah. All right. All right. I'm done complaining. I'm grateful for my survivor experience.

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Well, I mean, you skipped to a tow ring. That was before, but, like, I mean, Christian? I didn't mention that. I didn't try and make this a poopless podcast. I was curious. We're not just not going to address that. It's not even about like it's the, I think it was the whole of Christian. See how I did that.

It was like so, no, because Christians, like the entire episode was like it started. Started poorly. It started very poorly. And it just continued to just be like the Christian show. Yes. And I just thought it was really quite entertaining to see so many. I don't know sides to him where it was like this that's really awful that that just happened. But then look at what he was doing with Joe and now look at what he was doing with Rick Devin.

So there was a lot of like very delicious things that were going on with Christian. And so I really did feel like it was the it was the Christian Hubicki show this particular episode. That's true. Yes. Yes. Now my friend Jason sent me a message saying I would have to come. up with a new rule number two. Yes.

Yeah. Fascinating. But anyway, let's quickly move. Let's, let's, you know, have a movement past that.

And, um, this is why I didn't want to bring it up. It's just, I can't stop. There's so many, but there are other components, though,

regarding Christian. Are we going to talk about their little, um, their final tribal council moment. I mean, I think that's. Oh, they're hidden.

Yes. I mean, we can. I'm just curious because Liz is just talking about rules and things. There were a lot of rules associated with tribal council, what you can and cannot do. And I just think it's interesting that that that was placed there and like, it can stay there.

Like it's just. I mean, I don't know of any rules against it. So, and this was, you know, something they took from an international season. This idea, I mean, intentional or not, it has been done. Oh, really? Somebody's done that before? I believe it's South Africa.

Okay. I'm sure someone will let me know if I'm wrong. But I believe it was South Africa. I'm sorry I don't remember the player or the season. But yes, just like Adam Klein's podium idol. Well, sure, but that's different. Right. But this is something they planted at tribal council.

I know. I just think that's interesting. Yes, I'd be wearing the Adam Klein. It's worth a shot. I don't shirt except it's green. So all you would see is a head if I were wearing it. Oh, well. But I guess and arms.

You know, I'd be a head and arms flapping around. But yes, you know, it'll be, I'm waiting to see what happens. Me too. I'm just curious. There was an interesting conversation like on No-It-alls. Stephen brought up giving the fishy to Devons for this. And Rob brought up the point, let's wait and see what happens first. Because it doesn't, you know, it's like giving an award before it's done.

You know, just because you study for the test doesn't mean you're going to ace the test. Right. So. So. Yeah. Something must happen or they wouldn't have shown it. That's true. Something must happen.

I can't wait. I think it was so genius. It's so creative. I tried to be creative out there, you know, like even the name of the tribe, right? Like, let's see what we can do. Pretending to be a millionaire, right? That's something people don't normally do, right? And even final five, you know, helping Kenzie win the challenge.

Like, I wanted to go out there and be creative and do different things. And so when I heard them, what if we planted it at at tribal? I was like, a new idea. Like so exciting. Like I'm getting so excited. And I just can't wait. Even if it blows up in their face and somebody snatches the idol and is like, this is the boomerang or whatever. Like you hag.

You know, like I just can't wait to see what happens. I think it's such a genius idea. And to the rules, I was seeing people say. oh well Jeff said they would never do anything at tribal because they wouldn't want people ransacking the place. And it's like, okay, but they didn't do it. Right. So it's different. Right.

So to me that that's a distinction, right? Production isn't ever going to plant something. But, you know, there are no rules. But I think it's also in the moment, if they see it's a good idea and it's good TV. At the end of the day, they're making a TV show. And if this is going to make great TV, they're going to let it. Like people say, oh, Liz cheated at the final five, whatever. Jeff should have, you know, whatever.

It's like, at the end of the day, he probably was salivating. Like, oh, this is great TV. Nobody's done this before. After 46 seasons, thank God. You know. So at the end of the day, it's a TV show. So y'all can have your rules, you know, get over it. I'm excited to see it go down.

Well, and I mean, as far as we know, there aren't any rules against this, you know, I mean, they, they let someone melt the wax off of a immunity. I know using the tribal council fire, which they did. That was cool. We were mad about that because you're not supposed to be able to use the tribe. I mean, if you could do that, why not just light your torch with it and bring it home, light a stick, bring it back to camp and then you have fire. Maybe you can and no one's tried that.

So, so, yeah, it will be, it'll be interesting and fun. And yeah, you know, you mentioned the creativity. I don't know that Devin's has actually seen this on, you know, Survivor South Africa. Maybe he didn't. Maybe he came up with it independently. So I don't want to take that away from him if he did. Right. I should have checked his social media to see if someone brought that up to him and he responded.

But I didn't think about that. So. But the other person, so you mentioned Christian, and I know we'll get to Savannah shortly here. but the other person that much of this episode revolved around was Joe, and specifically Joe driving people crazy. Yes. We love it. We love it.

Do we? Because we talked in our preview podcast about how he clearly has not figured out why he lost, despite us having a podcast to discuss it. He obviously hasn't tried to take any steps to remedy the situation. and he's just so caught up in playing his way that he can't see. It's not the way 99% of people play the game. And even as Devin's tried to explain it to him,

Joe just kept going on about, well, all I have in this game is trusted. And everyone else is out there to play the game. Joe is there to be honest. And he ended up having Devin's, Christians, Sri, you name it, all talking about having to play around, him and his own dumb rules, their words. And the thing is, they all seem to like him very much,

which is probably the only thing that saved him. And the fact that it's nice to have a guy around who you know will never lie to you or backstab you or, you know, play the game against you. But he manages to counter almost counter all of that by acting the way we saw. And, you know, Christian talked about how you're never going to get Joe to violate his code. so you can't really play with him. Devon said Joe is frustrating. And if they booted him, the game would be freed up.

And as he got more and more frustrated, he kept going on. But he was speaking the truth. You know, you're a survivor player. Bro, we're allowed to lie and backstab. What are you doing? This is like going out onto the football field and being like, I'm a pacifist. Sorry, I don't touch people.

Good luck for your team trying to play with you. And we're his damn team. This is like so many of the other. comparisons we have given before, you know, like do you play poker and not bluff? Do you go into the boxing ring and not punch? Do you all these different things? I pointed out he's he's now been cast on a show. He's going to be acting.

And what is acting? It's lying. I did see you say that. Yeah, it's pretending to be something you are not. So yeah. And then of course when Devin's relayed the discussion to Surrey, she responded, ooh, you lied on Survivor. And sarcasmus was just terrific.

Yeah, it is a very interesting stance to take when everyone around you is telling you that's, that's not how this game is played. And they're trying to do it politely because this is not the first time he's heard this. He's already heard it once from his previous season. he's heard so many people like us comment on it if he was listening to yeah oh I guess that's that's true so it's one of those situations where he's at least known that it was an issue for him in his previous season because it was talked about by players at least to him and now he's hearing it again and I understand wanting to play a particular way but this is a game for a million dollars and that's what

we were talking about at the beginning of this podcast, you play to win. And unfortunately, the rules of the world don't exist in Survivor. They just don't, which is why you can't be expected to play Survivor the same way you live life every day. And anyone who goes into it and plays that way is probably going to struggle greatly because that's not the headspace that so many people go into the game with. They go in thinking, I'm going to do anything I can to win. and if it entails lying, backstabbing, hurting people. I mean, unfortunately, that's what individuals will do for a million dollars. And so he's found himself in something that's not comfortable for him,

but he can't expect other people to conform to his way because he's very much in the minority. Yeah. I mean, and in his defense, if you find out somebody's lying about you, I think it's totally fine to go confront them. Right. But it's it's the trying to explain why you shouldn't do that in Survivor. It's like, hey, Jessica, I heard you were talking smack at the water well. What the heck, you ho bag, right?

Like if I'm going to confront you, I'm going to confront you. But then I'm going to backstap you. Like I'm not going to be trying to be honest with you. Exactly. She's a liar. So she's going to get God. You know, like, come on, Joe, it's that simple. It's middle school all over again.

Like, don't you remember those years? Like, come on. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's just interesting to me. Yeah. I mean, talking to Joe has to be like talking to someone about their religion. Like, you're not going to talk most people out of their religious beliefs.

And that is what Joe has here. He has a religious belief, a religious like belief in being honest on Survivor. And much like you said, Jessica, he's trying to push it on other people. Yeah. And sometimes very religious people will get into positions of power and they will try to push their beliefs onto other people who do not share those beliefs and do not want those beliefs and may believe those beliefs are incredibly harmful. Now, real life, much worse than in the game. but you ratchet it back a little bit in the game and it, that's what it feels like to me in this moment here. And then on top of all that, we didn't even see the worst of it. Because Savannah clearly

didn't want to go into too much detail in her interviews, but she did say, you have seven people total on the beach and six people were really concerned about their ability to work with Joe in the future. And these six people were fairly reasonable people. We've all been in tough moments before. For this amount of people to be this concerned about the possibility of working with someone closely or at all in the future, I think that speaks volumes to how intense that conversation was. Yeah. Well, I'm sure we'll have more about it. Yes. Yeah, that's what she was like.

She was like asking your future interviews. I don't want to say anything. Yeah. Although she did say some things. Yes. Are we going to talk about Savannah now? Well, first, a little bit more about Joe, because I do think he's finding out something. important because the account,

plur perfect on Blue Sky said Joe's game style does not work when he has no capital and the rest of the tribe doesn't care about honor and integrity. And I thought this summed it up well because Joe was in an almost unique situation last season. He found other people who either wanted to play the game the same way or wanted to pretend that they did and let him roll with it. And he may still be in this deluge. that it's the way Survivor games are played.

But the rest of the tribe sure isn't. Yeah. So. Well. All right. Well, we can move on from Joe to Savannah in a way here because we have our new semi-regular segment. The CBS Mornings crew is wrong about blank.

And, you know, the hosts were a little better this week. Gail King was not there. There was a host who seemed to maybe have actually watched, or at least was better at faking it. But the guy who couldn't pronounce Surrey's name still called her Surrey multiple times. And it was funny, he asked a question of Savannah, and Savannah's kind of like enunciating Surrey.

So she's not correcting him, but she's correcting him. This is my read on it. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. And then as she talked about it, she mentioned how the players on 50 hadn't seen her season. And the camera was on her, so we couldn't see which of the hosts was doing it. But at least one of them was like expressing surprise,

which tells me this host did not actually watch because this was something Savannah and the other specifically discussed multiple times on the episode. on both episodes. Right, right. Well, we talked about how people are preparing questions for them, right? And that's probably what's happening. It's like, here's your cue card.

This is what you're saying. I don't know which is worse. I really don't. Like, yeah, it, there will be a constant source of fodder. Let's just say that. It's interesting that they brought that back, though, for season 50, like that type of morning show. The whole of the promotion of it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just how much promotion are you doing? Yeah. How much promotion are you doing when you're completely clueless? You know, does it really help just getting the name out there for five minutes? I don't know. Maybe they feel like it. Well, maybe they're realizing the error of their ways.

Who knows? Maybe they're listening to you, Bloomberg, and they're like, oh, geez, we got to fix this. There's no evidence that they've ever listened to me before. But, you know. We'll have to work on that. Yeah. All right. Well, then before we actually get to how Savannah did, we do want to talk about the rules we're about to discuss. And they come in a shorter and much more colorful version as a poster. You go to Rob has a website.com slash YX lost feed, scroll down to the poster and click on it. And then order it, obviously. And then you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt. And you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt. And you can keep scrolling and get the, checklist on a t-shirt we mentioned before during the preview podcast.

Joe was like, well, there's no checklist you can go to that says these are the things you did wrong. And I'm like, it's on a shirt. So someone should buy one of those and send it to Joe. So again, you can get that at rob has a website.com slash yX lost feed. All right. Well, Savannah came into Survivor 50 as the biggest unknown in the game. Other people had seen the way their tribe mates played or even played with some of them or knew them on the outside.

All they knew about Savannah was she had won and she had done something memorable enough to be invited to return immediately. Unknown quantities are often threats and everything I just mentioned made that apparent threat level even bigger. What did Savannah do to try to reduce it or did she actually make things worse instead? At RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why Savannah lost. Now the first and most important rule is, of course, to scheme and plot. And we saw Savannah trying to do some of this, but it mostly went nowhere. Even in her winning season, I noted that she wasn't the best in this area among her Trace-Laychase alliance, but she had started out well in 49 by making alliances real or fake with pretty much everyone on her starting tribe.

The problem, of course, was that not everyone necessarily starts on a level playing field in a returning player. season. Yes. Yes. As she said on the show, her game was really loyal last time, but she hadn't found her people yet. Meanwhile, almost everyone else on her starting tribe here did. Whether for reasons of knowing them from previous seasons, from outside of Survivor, or just feeling closer to them, she wasn't able to find those people. She couldn't step into essentially the alliance leader role, the way she did on 49. because those spots were already occupied by Christian and Surrey. Right.

Pretty much the only person who wanted to align with her was Jenna, and that was obviously not very helpful. Yeah, and I do think that this is an interesting little component of a returning season because, and we might have talked about it before, whenever there's rumblings that there might be a returning season, it's interesting who starts calling people. And I will say that I've received some phone calls from various individuals throughout the course of my time after being on Survivor.

And so you're always aware that like, oh, here it goes again. Like everyone's people are starting to chatter. Someone's getting a phone call. And there is this idea that for someone who has received calls from CBS about whether or not I would return. It's not that they tell you not to, but they strongly indicate they don't want you to pregame. And so then you feel very paranoid and then you get the phone call from someone and you're

like, oh, God, is this a test? I don't know what to do. I don't want to confirm nor deny. I'm really not sure because I want to keep that option open that maybe if I do get chosen and I do get to play and this person wants to play with me, that would be great. But then again, I don't want to harm myself about being chosen because if they find out that I was. So it really messes with you. It completely messes with you. And unfortunately, that's just what comes with a returning season. And this is the risk that you take when you do a back-to-back season like this,

right? Because you don't have the opportunity to be a part of those things. And survivors not necessarily fair, right? They, as Liz said, are all about making a television show. In addition to giving someone an opportunity to win a million dollars, it's still about a TV show. They know who knows people. They know who the prior relationships are. They know whose play seasons together. So they are looking at, how are we going to create a narrative here? Who is going to get along? Who's not going to get along? Who are we going to put next to each other that we think is going to be an interesting little mix? and unfortunately she was put on a tribe with no one. However,

she was not the only person from her season. And you can't tell me. They didn't admit nor deny having any pregame discussions. But you know she and Rizzo were like, guess what? And they, you know they were. They came up with a plan.

Yeah, they acknowledge having, yeah, they acknowledged eventually. They finally came around to it. They didn't want to talk about it. It seemed very like, we don't want to say anything.

But then I'm finally hearing rumblings that the plan was Sophie won and she finished fifth. And so they were creating their stories as well. And so clearly there was some discussions being had. So it's it's just something that comes with a returning season. And it's something that unfortunately you have to be aware of and you have to think about when you start playing on a returning season. All right. Liz, I didn't know if you had anything chime in there. That's so funny to me.

I mean, y'all, I'm not like into the like the gossip network, but to say like to say like, oh, I got fifth place. Sophie won like, L-O-L. And then she's like, guess what I did? Like, what, girl? That would be so me though. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to tell anybody. And I would just word vomit every, I would tell them my whole game. And then I pretended to be a millionaire.

there. And then, yeah. Right. Right. And they all believe me. She was forced to tell them she won because they had already heard like someone on their on their cast squealed. And it made it all into the, you know, into the network of, uh, of alumni. And so it was already out there. They, it was already known before they even set foot on Fiji that. Yeah, sure. Yeah. If I was Rizzo, I'd be squealing like a pick. Yeah.

She won. Get her. You know, like, I would. Maybe he was. You know? Yeah. Who knows? Who knows?

I suspect it was, well, I don't want to even say. I have my suspicions. I will leave it at that. But, yeah. Now. David doesn't want to spread rumors. Start gossip. That's exactly.

Well, I don't want to accuse someone who may have nothing to do with it. And I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't think she was scheming and plotting that much. I mean, like David said, yeah, she was trying, but it was kind of like dead on arrival, probably. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything.

Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember 988, Canada's suicide crisis helpline. It's good to know just in case. Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder anytime. 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada. Yeah, I mean, she said in interviews that she wanted to work with fellow former Atlanta area newscaster Devons. She loved Joe's loyal game in 48, and she thought it would be good to work with Emily because they're close in age.

But out of those three, we only saw her making real inroads with Joe, and just temporarily, not enough to actually, you know, do anything. And we saw her talking to Devin's. And there was that weird alliance proposed by Ozzy of the three of them plus Joe. Yeah. That was never going anywhere. She just, she just couldn't get her footing. I'll give her props for saying yes to the weird four person alliance because she said in interviews,

hey, it's Survivor. Of course you're going to say that, especially since she felt like she was on the bottom. It's basically our Ghostbusters provision here. When someone asks if you want to be in an alliance, you say yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Now, I have seen and heard a number of people complimenting Savannah for clocking that Surrey wanted to protect Ozzy and therefore was jumping on board of whatever other target there was.

When Savannah was giving a confessional about it, Joe was the target. But of course, what we saw was it was mostly aimed at Savannah herself. and she ended up telling Devin's and Emily that she thought Surrey was pushing Joe to protect Ozzie. It was a good thing to say to Emily because of course Emily, you know, wanted Ozzie out. Apparently since the first vote.

And it was a bit of a weird thing to say to Devin's because of the big fight he and Joe had. But here's the thing. It's great to be able to get that read and even to try to spread it around. But she had no power base or standing in the tribe to make anything happened. She was trying, but her only ally was already gone by that point. She was,

she was grasping for handholds on this cliff she was climbing. And yeah, it wasn't there. Yeah. It's, it is very difficult when you do so well. And it must be for her, because she came into 49. And it is. It's people that don't know each other. And you do have the opportunity to create a relationship and form a bond. And nobody knows what they're doing. I think that's the most interesting part of when your first time out there, you literally have no clue. Like, they don't tell you a whole lot of stuff. They're just like, this is what we're doing now. And you're like, okay. And there's no real understanding. And so there has to be a much different mindset when you're going into a returning season where like, oh, I don't need to worry about that

thing that I'm worried about last time because I already know how that works. Like, I know how I'm going to get to a challenge or I know how they're going to mic me up or when they're going to mic me up and when they're going to take my mic off. And these are all things that they don't necessarily tell you. It just kind of happens and you figure it out on the fly. So as a returnee, you have an opportunity to think through things differently. And if you have an opportunity to create some bonds before you get out there, it's even easier for you to get into that game set, you know, space that you need to be in with those people. Because again, you don't have to take time creating those bonds and trying to figure out who your person is going to be.

if you've already had a chance to do so. So, yeah, she really was. I think Liz is right. She was in a dead on arrival almost because how are you supposed to combat that when so many people are coming in already having that component of comfort? In addition to I'm a return returning, I know how the game works, but I also know these people I'm going to play with. And so, yeah, she didn't have that component of it.

And also, they didn't know anything about her either. And so. Yeah, we will definitely get to that part. because, but I don't know that I could say she was dead on arrival. I think there were things she could have done, some of which we'll discuss here. But I do think, yeah, the other thing that's different is when you're playing on a survivor season for the first time, you have a whole mix of personalities. So you have some that are going to lay back.

You have some that aren't as aggressive or forceful. She was able to, in many ways, take control of her starting tribe on 49. Yes. But when you get to returning player seasons, those aren't the ones they bring back. You know, they don't, they don't bring back the ones who, you know, just kind of played follow the leader type game. Right. You have a whole lot of alphas in one space. Yeah, exactly.

You know, on a, on a starting tribe of a normally, you have the whole alphabet. Here you have A's, you know, type A personalities. Yes. And so that's, you know, more difficult, even if they don't know each other. Like, you know, Surrey doesn't know Christian from anyone when they get there. But those two seem to now be working together very well. And, you know, so she could have found a way. But instead, she went with Jenna.

Yeah. Which was not the best choice, you know, in retrospect. And, you know, at the time even. Like, okay, you knew that Shari and Ozzie were a pair. Why not try to get in with them as a third? You know? Yeah, I mean, targeting Surrey was really not a great decision on her part. Right.

So, so yeah, there were things. She just, you know, it's hard to get into that mindset, I think, and change that, especially in the short time frame that she had. Right. So the second rule says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep her scheming secret. Since we just discussed how she couldn't really find a way to scheme and plot enough, my initial thought that she didn't have a problem here, though it wasn't due to any specific planning on her part.

It just ended up that way. Jessica, did you see anything that raised issues for Savannah here? Well, I think the problem is what we just discussed is the Surrey component, right? If you are struggling to find your foothold and you're trying to find a way in, the last thing that you should probably do is start targeting surrey. That to me, that's like a nail in the coffin. You're already close because no one knows who you are. People are suss of you that you probably won.

And there are quote unquote potential alliances that formed outside of the game that are now all playing together. And so there's all of these things that are already working against you, right? And instead of, okay, I'm just going to lean back. And I'm going to work with those people that I fear are going to be the most threatening. Like the series of the world, I need to get a surrey on my side. And that's not what she did. She was like, oh, seri should be the one we target because seri is the most dangerous and the most threatening and the most scary. And that we all know, seri, you don't mess with seri in that way because she has a following.

And she knows how to play the social game. And we saw her doing it so beautifully in this particular episode where she was planting those seeds without telling people what to do, but making them feel like they came up with it. And she's even explaining how she's doing it when she was having a confessional. So she knows exactly how to get the game to go in the direction she wants without making it appears if she is. And so the fact that Savannah was like, oh, wait, she's got to go. That I think was scheming and plotting too much. agree okay all right well the third rule tells players to be flexible Liz how do you think Savannah did in terms of this rule clearly not enough

you know if she's like Jessica said if she's still going after Surrey why didn't she like David said why not try to team up right why be so hellbent and as a viewer I get it like Surrey is a magical wonder her like even Jessica's like don't mess with Surrey and even in my head I'm like why not she's obviously the biggest threat if you're saying that just as a viewer right

but you've got to understand where the tide is going right and maybe not predicted but you got to look like if everybody is jumping on the Surrey bandwagon it's going to be an individual game soon you know and maybe you can get her there

you know like in my head I would be thinking there's no way she's going to win and maybe that's a mistake Right. But if I was playing, I was like, whatever. You know, we all know she can get to the end, but she can never win. Like, I'm not concerned about her right now. Let's just let her drive the boat and drive herself, you know, straight to getting voted out at the merch. You know, like that's the way I would be looking at it. So I think that inflexibility of, no, it's got to be serri or, okay, fine, Ozzie, because she's part of that duo.

So let's weaken Surrey, right? Like, right. You know, even if Emily's trying to talk to her and Emily's like, yeah, Ozzie too, like, okay, how can I get in with Emily? So that at least Emily tells me the truth and we can try to steer something. Because if Emily is saying Ozzy, maybe we can come up with a plan where maybe it's not Ozzie or Surrey right now. But everybody doesn't like Joe. Like, why aren't we trying to put it on Joe? Right.

Like I thought during the episode, I'm like, hey, Joe, people are not messing with you. Like, you don't have to go home, brother. Because they had so much time on him in the edit. I was like, oh, maybe he's going home tonight. Right. And so, and of course, I'm watching TV. But yeah, the inflexibility of trying to weaken Surrey or get Surrey out. Yeah, that's why she lost.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, in her starting tribe on four, she made use of all these different options, because especially since her original tribe never had to vote. So everyone she had alliances with thought they were real alliances. As far as she knew,

I mean, later we find out that it wasn't that simple. And it worked for her as she knocked off players like after the swap and then kept moving forward. But she didn't have those options here. She at least didn't create those options here in part because, like I said, we had a bunch of type A personalities who are not going to act the same way. You know, like, can you imagine her yelling at someone in this group the same way she yelled at Joanne about, well, did she actually yell at Juana? No, she didn't.

She only talked about him behind his back. Sorry, when he took her water bottle and used her. That's right. Oh, yes. I forgot about that. So I guess that, yeah, I withdraw that because she did hold that back in 49. But she did say to, I don't remember who it was, but it was like, who are you voting for? And it was like very.

And so much so that the person who she was saying it to had like had to like back up and like needed a moment. And I feel like there were parts of her doing that approach that we saw again where that was, how she was communicating with people about different things, where it was a little, like, too much and a little too aggressive. And so I think that that put people a little more like on their heels in dealing with her. Because, again, you are an unknown. And if you're an unknown, you should be as kind and willing to go along with what the group is doing as opposed to really trying to assert yourself

because you want to find that foothold and you want to try to get in and you can't keep making people look at you and be suspicious of you and your gameplay when they don't know what they're getting because again they haven't seen it. Yeah. All right.

We can move to the fourth rule, which tells players not to let their emotions control them. Now, you just talked about Jessica, you just talked about her, you know, being aggressive and the like. But what did you think of, Were her emotions controlling her? Was that just her personality? I do think it's really her personality to a big,

based upon the things that she said in a lot of her interviews, right? She has said, I am more, I'm more upfront with people. And I think with her work, it becomes a lot of like, you have to really kind of ask the tough questions and you have to be willing to ask those questions. And so I do think it's just more of who she is. And depending on the circumstances that might work. work for you. Like it did kind of work in 49, but she also admitted that it maybe didn't work that well in 49 because people said her social game was terrible and people didn't necessarily like her

that much. And sitting in the final three, you might be sitting next to her and someone might like the other person more. So I think she's very aware of that part of her personality and how it comes across. So I don't think it was an emotional thing. I think it was just more of like, this is who I am and this is how I play the game. But I also think that, there is something about her personality that doesn't let her just take a backseat. That's just, you know, like, okay, I am just going to back up for a minute. And I don't need to tell them what I think and I don't need to make it about me right now. I'm just going to listen and be told what to do as opposed to telling someone what to do.

And that's probably why 49's structure worked so well for her because she might have been forceful, but she had Rizzo working people in the background, right? She had Rizzo doing the strategizing, making those relationships, really getting people on board with the plan that they were coming up with. And so even if she was rubbing someone the wrong way, Rizzo wasn't.

And Rizzo was kind of bringing people into the fold. So it worked for her. She doesn't have that here. And so I don't think it was an emotional thing. I really just think it's a personality thing. Yeah. Yeah, I think if she would have, shown a little more emotion, she could garner some sympathy, right?

Like, because I, I know when my defense goes up, I become very assertive, very, you know, confrontational, but not like fighting, but like, well, maybe, but, you know, like, hey, I'm going to tell you how I feel, you know, but also I understand how to use my feelings to manipulate people. Does that sound? In Survivor? That's a great skill. That is a great skill. Like something I used was like, oh my God, I'm so hungry.

Oh, gosh, can you please help me up? Like, I can't walk. Oh, my gosh. Like, I just feel like a cranky grandma. I can't believe I had that meltdown. Thank you so much for having patience with me. Is there anything I can do to make you forgive me? Oh, my God, Liz, you're starving.

Of course you freaked out. if she would have done something like that, like especially with, honestly, especially with Sarie, right? Surrey wants to take people under her wing. She knows she's got the social game going on.

She's a mom. She likes when people, she knows and she, we all know those confessions where she starts, like she explains her game and then she starts laughing like maniacally, right? Like I've got this in the bag,

baby. If Savannah would have been, able to manipulate her emotions, right? To, oh, God, sorry, I really messed up. I'm coming in as the newbie. Oh, my gosh. I, even admitting, like, I've been throwing Ozzy's name out there. And now I realize that's a mistake.

Yeah. That was something I did with Kenzie. I was like, oh, my gosh, because I realized her and Ben were like this after I had already talked smack about him to her. And within 20 minutes of realizing it, I went right up to her. I was like, oh my God, I just made a big mistake. She's like, what? And I was like fake crying almost.

I was like, oh my gosh, I just, I know you really like Ben. And so I really like you. And so I decided to have a conversation with him. And you were so right. He's so cool. I was like, I can't believe I said that. I really want to work with you guys. Like everyone else is so dumb.

And she was like, Liz, you're our third. you're our bestie. Like to be able to manipulate your own emotions and recognize when you make a mistake and you actually need those people that you made a mistake with. Yeah. Nothing strokes the eagle more. Like, oh, God, this person just admitted how dumb they are. Not only do I think they're dumb, they know they're dumb.

Now I'm in control of them, I'm going to keep them around. Like, I use that all the time. Like, it works like a freaking charm. you would think someone like Savannah, who is clearly very smart, she won her first season, she would have been able to be like, oh, maybe I should act a little dumber. Like, come on, it's the easiest. That should be rule number one. Act stupid.

Well, I think we actually saw that type of relationship form between Michaela and Ceree in Game Changers because Ceri really did take Michaela like under her wing. And Michaela did not approach game changers the same way she approached Millennials versus GenX, where she was very like in your face. This is what I'm doing. I'm in charge. Like you better listen to me. Nope. She came into game changers and was like, I'm just going to sit back and I'm just going to listen.

And then Sri was like, she's like my daughter. And really did. And so I, you know, that was a moment that Savannah really could have had if she had taken that approach. but. Well, there are jokes. I mean, we've kind of moved into Rule 5 here. And, you know,

you think pretend to be, well, I think you two have been talking about it somewhere for, for the last, for a while now because. Sorry, we're jumping ahead. I'm so sorry.

It works. It transitions nicely instead of pretend to be nice, it's pretend to be dumb. You know. Right. Yes. Yes. It's a way of playing the social game

by using emotions, the way you discussed. But it is an ongoing running jokes. on social media about the Fields family, you know, that all these people get adopted into the Fields family. Right. You know, I'm Big Brother. She adopted Izzy.

You know, and now some people call her Izzy Fields. You know, and then you've just now, now some people are calling him Ozzy Fields. So, yeah, she just has this, she just has this family that she keeps creating by bringing people in this way. Yeah. And, you know, but we did not see that with Savannah, of course. And we saw in in terms of the social game and pretending to be nice, even in her winning game, Savannah, you know, had some issues. And indeed, we talked about this at the time. She helped prove the point that the jury doesn't just vote for the person they like the most.

I mean, some juries do, Liz. but I know I know I wasn't talking about you I was talking about other members including one who has since admitted he was wrong did you did you see that did you see that here and I don't know what you're talking about I stay out of 46 as business okay I just wear the buff and get invited on the shows no Q admitted it in his pregame interviews how dare he did yes yeah if he had it to do over again, he would have voted for Charlie. He's so full of shit. Yes. I don't believe it. I mean, he was the one who sparked that whole discussion about what would she do with the money.

Yeah. See, now, if I would have been on the jury, he would have voted for me to. Yeah. From that, from that question. I would have been turning on the side. Yeah. But you're a millionaire. By then she would have given the whole story.

Okay, I had no idea about this is, this is spoilers. Y'all, I had no idea he said that. That's spoilers. That is so disrespectful to my girl, Kenzie Petty, and I'm taking that personal. He said no shade to Kenzie before saying it. So, you know. You know what? I just told my 11 year old this this morning.

I showed her some pajamas. I was like, do you think these are cute? And she was like, no offense, mom. But you're a lot older than the girls in this ad. And I said, just because you say no offense, right? It doesn't mean there is no offense. Right. That is fair.

And she was like, but I said no offense. So Q, just because you say there is no shade doesn't mean the tree ain't right underneath me, bro. And I'm taking that personally for Kenzie because Kenzie is my bestie. I was just talking to her earlier. And y'all, I voted for Charlie. I would vote for Charlie again, but Kenzie deserved that win. Because why? Because she won.

Okay? So point blank period. Rule six. Let's go. Oh, no. We're still on Rule 5 here. Oh, snap. I'm fired up.

I'm sick of this. He's pissed. This Kenzie Slanders got me. Applebee's pissed. It wasn't Kenzie Slander. It was him admitting he was wrong. How often does Q admit he was wrong? David, you got me.

So as far as you know, that would be once, you know. Actually, I will give Q his roles as he is very good at taking criticism and he is very good at admitting when someone out. I don't know if he admits he's wrong, but he will admit when he can understand the other situation. And that's why Q gets so far in the game. He's very good at that. Okay. So, so, yeah, as far as, you. know, Savannah here, getting back to her, the,

oh, right. No, I sent everybody off on the tangent by mention, I should have known that was going to happen when I mentioned that. I just had no idea. Yeah. You know, maybe it's because she was on the bottom from the start this season. So she put more effort into playing nice rather than, say, grilling people or trying to steal their idle key from them,

you know, things like that. But yeah. even she acknowledged Dalton Ross that she's quote not the most likable person in the room which she hoped

to use as a selling point to take her to the end although if she said that to me and I were in this game I'd be like why would I even take that point

under consideration because I already know you've won once so clearly that would not really do anything to convince me right like who we used to do next to last season.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. What was happening there? Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway. And now, we are still not going to rule six because we're going to switch

things up. Oh. Look at him going out of order. That's right. For reasons that I think will become clear, let's go with the seventh rule before the sixth, because rule seven covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. And we talked last week about

how bad Savannah's lie was regarding her advantage. And we clearly were not the only ones to think about that because we saw Devin's questioning her about it, even in this episode. And she stuck to her bad fairy tale even in the face of doubt. Yeah. And then Sheree used it as a major point in planting her seeds to push the idea of voting her out, which is, I found funny because one big reason Jenna gave to vote out

Sheree was she's going to plant her seeds and people are going to listen. And then you get to episode two and there's Sheree planting her seeds and people are listening. It's almost like Jenna and Savannah knew what Surrey was going to do. Yeah. But they couldn't do anything to stop it. I mean, they might have been able to if they handled it way differently. But see why Jen on Kyle lost for that. You know, go back to that podcast.

Right, right. So, you know, but there, that's all of that. I think is a side note because the point is people knew there was no way she went on a journey and neither lost nor gained anything. Right, right. But she said in interviews that she felt if she told a single person about the block of vote, the entire tribe would know. Yeah, that's absolutely correct. Plus, it would have meant the rest of the tribe would have known she was still lying to them, which is why we said last week she needed to either come clean or make up a better lie. And, you know, and Lindsay.

Try harder. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Lindsay did rightfully point out last week that we often criticize players for telling others about the things they find. But it's funny because my response was basically it's just a block of vote, which was essentially the same thing. Stephen Fishback said, I know it all this week. I think she could have eased some of their worries by revealing that.

But alternately, if she didn't want to tell the full truth, like I said, make something up. Other players talked about how they could use the whole fan vote thing to their advantage in that way. Now, admittedly, she was out of the loop for much of that. So it probably wouldn't have occurred to her. Sure. And I also feel like in this situation, knowing where she was at, knowing that she was at the bottom,

because she said, that's why she wanted to go on the journey because she just decided I want to have fun. And so I'm just going to do this. Then when you come back, just be like, here it is. This is what I got. Anyone else want it?

Because I don't, I don't care to have it. I mean, just like literally offer it up to the whole group and be like, if no one else wants it, we can get rid of it, we can burn it. I don't care. But this is what happened. And then that way, that you are an open book at that point, right?

Like you're not hiding anything. This is what it is because it's not going to help you get further in the game if they are suspicious of you. And then you're never going to get to use it anyway. So you might as well just be like, ta-da, this is what I brought back. And we can use it however the whole group sees fit. I love that idea.

That's genius. You should play Survivor. That's actually so smart. like I would be like hey let's boss and rob this let's make a volcano and toss it in there yeah that's super genius and I I have to also shout out there was an Instagram handle I don't remember the name but you know how we have the Billy Elish boomerang idol there's a rapper and his name is Waka Flaka okay you might have heard of him and somebody was like why didn't we get the Waka Flaka blaka vote oh my God

Like that's so good. He needs to be a survivor fan. He needs to be a survivor fan first. CBS, you missed out. Walk a flack a float. Like that's so funny. No, that's a great. That's a great idea.

Dang it, Savannah. I would have really loved to see that. That would have been great. I mean, I like your idea better than what I was going to say, which was that she could have just, and Rob brought this up on No adults too. Just don't go on the journey. Well, right.

And that was a decision. That was a decision. Right. And that, you know, because she knew it would be suspicious, whatever she came back. And this is where, and you already mentioned it, it's the issue I brought up at the top of the podcast. She said in interviews that she knew or she felt she was probably going next. And so when she had the opportunity to go on a journey, she wanted to go. Not for the advantage.

But hey, I don't just want to sit on the beach. I want to do stuff. I want to experience it. And, you know, she ended up playing a, you know, playing a challenge against Colby. So she enjoyed that beating Colby. And so this was a choice that she made. And she added to Dalton Ross for 50, I was very much there for, I want to talk to everybody. I want to enjoy this experience.

I want to soak it in. And that's why I really went on the jury. And okay. I get it from that perspective. But that's not why we're here on this podcast. And, you know, this was a game move she knew was not a good idea. And she even said to Rob that she didn't go on a journey in 49 because she knew it could be detrimental to her game. Right.

So. Girl letting that million dollars go to her head before she even got it. Yeah. Like what? Yeah, she didn't even have a chance to spend any of it. And she's like, ah, I'll just enjoy the experience. I have a million already. That's so funny.

And you know what's funny is like, again, it just goes back to, I don't know, creating trust, maybe where she couldn't, you know, if she's too direct or assertive. I remember I went on a journey. Sometimes I forget I went on one because I immediately was out and didn't get to participate. But when I went back, you were the Mike White. Yeah, yeah. And everybody, yeah, and everybody believed me. And now that I'm like, I'm trying to look back.

Did anyone ever come up to me individually? Like, oh, so Liz, what really happened? No. Everyone just totally straight believed me. Like I was like, yeah, I drew a rock. Banu cried. And, you know, said that Kenzie was a mastermind. Everyone was like, yeah.

Not one person was like, okay, Liz, what really happened? I mean, that is what happened. But it's so funny to me. Like, I just wonder what is it about? her because everybody, you know, or not everybody, but a lot of people do come back and lie and some people do get away with it. Right?

Or I told the truth and I could have had a bunch of paranoid people. Oh, there's no way she doesn't have anything. Let's go through her bag or whatever. I just wonder what that is. I mean, I'm sure it's accumulation of all this stuff that made you know, Devons, dot, dot, dot.

Right. She lying. She lying. You know? Yeah, I mean, she could have said, she could have just pretended to be Mike White, you know, and said, nope, we got there and then we had to draw rocks. Sorry, Jessica. And I got sent back. I mean, you know at that point, you're going to get called out when there's a swap or the merge. Someone is going to say, no, that's not what happened.

But at least it gets you past your starting tribe, maybe. Right. Yeah. So I don't know. I think there were, I like Jessica's. idea the best other than just not going on the journey. But if you insist that you want to go on the journey for the experience, well, then do everything for the experience.

Don't do it halfway. Right. You wanted to go for the experience. You went for the experience. Oh, look, you got this advantage. Who cares? You went for the experience. Right.

So, yes, I, Jessica, you, you win. That, you know, that is the winning idea there. Love that. So do what I can. Yes. Now, one more thing we need to discuss in this rule before going back to rule six is she said by the time they were voting, she figured she had about a 1% chance of making it through tribal council. So it should have been an easy decision to play the shot in the dark, right? Because we often talk about that.

We often have players pull stuff out of their butts. Like, well, I felt I had a 37.6% chance of surviving this tribal council. and, you know, what? Stop it. It's getting meteorologist. There's a 36% chance of rain here. You know, in this case, she said 1%, which is basically she did.

She was totally. Nothing. Yeah. So, you know, that should have been an easy decision. Except she forgot about the shot in the dark. Nobody played it in 49. And I guess it wasn't talked about it all. Which, of course, I mean, nobody's going to bring it up to her. That's for sure.

So oops. Yeah, a big oops, a big oops because I mean, I'm not a fan of the show in the dark, but it is one of those situations where this was the moment to play it. And then to forget that you have it. Yeah, that's a big, that's a big kick in the gut when you remember that. And you're like, you're going through your bag at Ponderosa crying and drinking heavily and eating food. And then you're like, oh, my God, that thing that was in my bed. Actually, it would be more devastating, Jessica.

They take your shot in the dark. They take everything. They take that from you too. They take everything. Yeah, you have to empty your bag and they take your bag as well. I don't know why you have to empty it if they take your bag. They took your bag. No, they don't take the bag.

I'm sorry. I did get it in my bag. It still smells. But they did take everything out, including the shot in the dark. And so that would, they would have been like, you know, hand me your shot in the dark. And she would have been like, oh. Oh, then she would have done more in pond.

That's my enactment. Oh. Yeah. When the brain free, seizes up there. Literally. Literally. Oh, yeah.

Mm-hmm. All right. All right. Well, let's go back to the sixth rule, which warns against being too much of a threat. And a big part of that threat level was the advantage that we just discussed, which others knew she had, but she wouldn't admit to.

Christian did his usual good job of laying out the primary concerns in tribal council where he discussed solidarity and cohesiveness. And he said when there's more uncertainty, you are more likely to seek safety. Now, on the more general side, this is a major reason we often see in Survivor and Big Brother that when production adds new twists that they think is going to shake up the game and loosen things up, it actually almost always causes players to play more conservatively. not loosen up because, yeah,

more uncertainty or likely to seek safety. Someday maybe producers will understand that. Maybe. But in this case, it was about Savannah. You know, they were uncertain what she had gotten from her journey and how it could impact their games.

Again, this is why if you just say it's a block of vote, oh, well, now I'm less worried about that. But, you know, if you don't, tell them, who knows what it could be. Right. So how do you address that? Well, you get rid of her.

Well, that, and I do think that uncertainty component is, it's almost like a double down with Savannah, right? Because a lot of people in their pregame press said, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Exactly. And so they already were questioning, how does she play this game? Who is she? We don't know anything about her besides she won,

which means she must know how to play this game. So they start filling in their own narrative, right? They start creating how she must have played. And so it's interesting to then add another uncertain component to her where they're questioning further about her. And while she went on a journey, she had to come back or something and she has to be aligned to us. So it's just like doubling down on that like,

you don't know anything about me. and oh, no, really, I'm being completely honest with all of you about this journey I went on, and people are already suspicious of you, and now you're just adding to that suspicion that they feel. So I do think that that also made her more threatening because they didn't know anything about her. And in addition, now she has this potential advantage that they're all just completely convinced, and they were correct in thinking that she had. Yeah, I mean, you know, Ceree used that. unknown advantage as her main talking point

regarding what made Savannah the biggest threat out of the three that they were discussing. And so does that mean that she would have survived if she did what you suggested Jessica? Well, maybe, maybe not because there was still the

whole unknown overall situation. But, I mean, it would have taken away a good chunk of ammunition that was used against her. And so yeah, all they knew about her was she won. Yeah. That's it.

Anything else they had to take her word for it. And that uncertainty probably extended to her relationship with Rizzo. You know, what would happen in the eventuality of a swap or a merge. You know, if several of them clocked in the pregame or through the fast moving survivor alumni grapevine. that the two of them had likely played as allies. And so that would mean if you let her get to the swap or the merge and she ends up with Rizzo, well, any allegiance she had to her original tribe is gone.

Right. Right. And especially since she wasn't really already an ally. So she would turn into an adversary or an enemy, depending on the day. and they knew like she said she hadn't found her people. They knew that because they were the people she was looking for and they weren't biting. Right. Yeah.

It's the easy consensus at that point. They're all just looking for the person we can all agree on, the person we can all get behind. And unfortunately, she was that person. She had all of these other components that were making her an issue for them. potentially. And then it was like, oh, and yeah, she's, she's all alone. She's by herself. It's the easy vote for sure. Yeah. Now, Savannah even said in her RHP interview that she understood the others being wary of her, you know, not really knowing anything about her other than that she won. She said, I would be scared of me too. And of course, when people are scared, they imagine

the worst. She told Mike Bloom that in tribal council people were talking in a way that made her believe, quote, they're thinking something that I'm not. And that's where things really felt like there was a disconnect. I mean, it's her job to show them who she was and who she wasn't. And I, again, I know it was an uphill battle, but it's still, you know, if you don't become aware of that disconnect until you're literally minutes away from being voted out, it's a little too late. Yeah, for sure.

Amen. All right. We could go to Appendix A, which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. We talk about voting out the weak, then the strong, then the weak than the strong. Now, with it still being obviously very early in the game, voting out the weakest link makes the most sense. But as we discussed last time, being weak is often not about challenges, but rather about alliances. And there were two people on this tribe who stood out in terms of not having any solid allies, Savannah and of course Joe. one main difference between them

was that people seem to have become attached to Joe on a personal level they were willing to put up with all of this honor and loyalty BS it pissed them off on a strategy level but they kept saying things like I mean like I think Surrey said it Ozzie said it

Devin said it like I love him as a person, but. Yeah, but they can control him. It's a whole different type of situation where Savannah is like, she's clearly like she's going to play Survivor. Like she clearly played it so well she won her last season. Joe made it to the final three and then didn't end up winning. And I think people saw the reason why.

He's not a threat to them in that way. He's not playing the game in the way that Survivor's meant to be played. And so I really think all of them have kind of realized, well, we can, we can, as long as we, as long as we keep tabs on him and we keep an eye on him. The jotation. And we rock him when he's in the hammock and make him feel good about himself and comfortable. I really think that this is what they've all kind of come to is that like he's a vote. We can keep him with us. Savannah, she's not someone we can control.

So between the two of them, we'll take Joe over Savannah and we will just get a vote out of him, which is exactly what happened. He voted for Savannah. So, you know, I do think that he is willing to listen if you rock him in a hammock and make him feel like. I still think that was hypnosis. I think that Christian hypnotized him. He was like, you know. I love that theory.

I love that theory. And people must like Joe. like if I was out there, it would be incredibly frustrating, right, as we're seeing. But I would also have a certain level of respect for it. Like, okay, this guy is who he says he is. And that's rare in Survivor. And you kind of want to hold on to people that you believe that is who they are. And with Savannah, it's like, again, we don't know you.

We knew you won or we had a feeling. Now you confirm that. Now you're lying. We know you're lying. so I can't have any respect for you. So if I don't even have a twinge of respect, then I definitely can't work with you. Right.

Right. Or work around you as the jotation is going, right? They're working around him. Probably because they have a certain level of respect. Like, dang, this guy just is who he is. Wow. Damn. You know, I would be like, dang.

All right, Joe. All right. I mean, I'm not going to work with it, but I'm going to work with it. You know, like. You know, like I'm a keep a part of the plan. It's going to be over here. You know, like you're at the bottom, but you're here.

You know, where if I didn't know, Savannah, right? And apparently, whether it's her personality or defense mechanism, you know, the sort of large and in charge personality, the doubling down. Like, I can't read that as well. Yeah, you've got to go. Yeah. Yeah. It just occurred to me. We should have gotten some sort of mesh to.

put up here, you know. That would have been amazing. I think that matches on this chair. My chair is a rocking chair. Yeah. All right. Hypnotize me, Mr. Bloomberg. Yeah.

Well, it's actually. It's actually time for you to hypnotize us because it is, it is about that time where we wrap things up. So, Liz, what are your final thoughts on Savannah? Savannah. gorgeous. I love your dominant style. I did not finish season 49, so I have no idea how you won.

Like after I did this episode last season, I stopped watching. I was like, I'm out. But all those things, I think if you would have been able to, you were trying to manipulate other people. could have just manipulated your gameplay, changed it up more than trying to manipulate others, you probably would have gone a lot farther. Yeah. I do think that, I do think Savannah is someone who is kind of like a force to be reckoned with,

right? And unfortunately, in a season like season 50 when you have returning players, a force to be reckoned with is much better when you understand what force you're dealing with. And I think that there are so many people that are playing this season that have those big personalities. They have that big gameplay. They are people who are willing to make moves or take a position and play the game in a very particular manner. And a lot of those people on her tribe have kind of found their niche. They found the thing that they know that they're good at and they know how to play this game.

And Savannah came into it as the unknown. And so because of that, they all have to kind of create this narrative in their own heads as to, well, who is the Savannah person? And so Ponderosa becomes much more intriguing. And it's almost like they are at an advantage, right? Because they know each other well enough. They know what to think about other people. They have to spend time thinking about Savannah. But that can also work against them because then they're spending too much time in their own head having to worry about Savannah. Right. So it's it's this weird like, dichotomy where you're like, well, again, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. And I really feel like so many people were looking at Savannah going, well, she won her season. We were pretty sure that she won. She had to have done something really fascinating and incredible to win her season. And so for the people that she's playing with who know how this game works and they know how to manipulate information, they know how to utilize people's emotions and make people think certain things,

she really was in a very tough spot. She needed to come in very low key, very under the radar and really like go to someone for help. And just acknowledge the fact that like, listen, I know I know I'm the unknown. I know I'm going to like talk about the pink elephant in the room and that's me. You all don't know me. You don't know what I'm about. You don't know who I am. This is who I am.

And this is what I want help. Like I need help. She needed to find that person. She needed to integrate herself. in a much different way than she did. And the journey that was kind of like the worst decision she could have made considering all of the concerns they already had with her is now you're going on a journey for what appears to be a selfish reason

because you just want to have an opportunity to go on a journey and you've lost sight of what this game is about, which is what you went into 49 thinking to win. And she didn't go into season 50 with the idea to win. So it was like she was going in already kind of resigned to the idea. that I'm probably not going to do as well here. So instead I want an experience. Well, she had an experience.

Most of it was in Ponderosa and the rest of it was on vacation with whoever else was pre-jury. And I'm not saying that to be mean. That's an experience in and of itself. But if you want to win, it doesn't matter how you come into this game. You need to figure out how to win despite all of those things that are working against you. And someone like Surrey, who everyone was like, oh,

gosh, she's never going to be able to win season 50 because she's three. She's making it work like she always does because she fixes what she needs to do depending on the situation she's in. And that's the kind of stuff you have to do when you're a repeat player. Kudos to Savannah for being asked back. I can't imagine back-to-back seasons would be easy. I can't even imagine what her brain was doing at that point in time because your brain is like mush by the time you get on playing the game.

So to do that is incredibly impressive. So I can't fault her for like going back out and being like, yes, I'm going to do this 100% I'm going to be back. But unfortunately, the way she went into 49 is not how you can go into 50 in this particular circumstance. And so unfortunately, Savannah, for me, I did choose you to go out this particular episode. So that's great for me because I'm terrible at this. But I'm sorry to see you go. It was it was interesting to see, you know, how this back-to-back players are going. to fare and now we have to watch and see what Rizzo does.

Maybe he'll make it work. Yeah. Yeah, Savannah came into Survivor 50 with several disadvantages right off the bat. One was that she hadn't recovered physically from 49 and as you said, Jessica, maybe not mentally. But I don't think that played as much of a role from what we saw. The bigger issue, I think, was she had no connections at all to the other players on her tribe. while most of them had connections to at least someone else. So it was easier for them to bond and make quick alliances for at least the early part of the game.

And it didn't help when the one person she did quickly get close to blew up her own game in a way that pushed other people away instead of bringing them in. So when Jenna was voted out, Savannah was truly left out Nicole. Even more important than her not knowing them, they didn't know her. they had only her word to rely on in terms of what kind of game she played. All they knew for sure was that she won. That made her an unknown quantity and a threat. Because whatever she did to earn that million dollars

and be only one of three winners on this season, they had to believe it must have been good, or perhaps really, really bad like Russell Hans. All she could do was try to show them, them the real her and convince them otherwise. But again, remember Russell Hans. She couldn't roll the tape. She couldn't ask Jeff to explain it to them. She could only tell a version of the story and hope they bought it. But that wasn't going to fly with these savvy players. She would have needed to use a truly amazing social game and persuasive abilities and bear her soul to get through

all the natural hesitation. Instead, she kind of went the opposite direction. and hurt her own cause by adding yet another unknown to the equation. The others knew she had gotten something from her journey, but she lied about it. Last season, she purposely avoided going on journeys because she knew it could hurt her game. This time she decided the experience was worth it. And maybe to her it was, as she got to beat Colby in a mini-challenge. But in terms of an objective game analysis, it was the same bad decision it would have been in 49, probably worse because in 49, she had allies who could have helped protect her.

While here, she had none, just people who fueled the fire of suspicion. Savannah needed to try to find a way to lower her threat level. Admittedly, a difficult task. But she decided to raise it instead. At a time when she knew she had no allies, it was probably next on the chopping block. Would they have decided to vote her out anyway, even if she would. she hadn't gone on the journey? Maybe.

But as I mentioned, it would have taken away a lot of the ammunition we saw being aimed in her direction. There were some things Savannah had little control over. But rather than continuing to fight against those and trying to reduce her threat level, she made a conscious choice to do something that would almost certainly make things worse for her rather than better. And that is why Savannah lost. There we are.

Yep, yep. All right, well, we still have predictions for next episode. Before we get to them, a couple of things. I want to mention that next week, we will have another returning special guest as Heidi Lagara Screenblatt joins us. And, of course, we want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form and in a t-shirt, well, poster on a t-shirt form. And in checklist form, special for Joe, you can get all of those at rob has a website.com slash YX lost feed. In addition, of course, people can reach us in various places.

Liz, I know you haven't really been spending much time on social media. But if people want to see what you have to say, where can they find you? Yeah. So lately I have been on the gram, the Instagram. so you can check me out at the Liz Wilcox, T-H-E, Liz Wilcox. That would be the best place to hang out with me. Okay. Apparently you must be on at least perusing Blue Sky a little since you saw that you saw my post about.

No, I didn't, I don't know what Blue Sky is. Were you on Blue Sky? Did I say it on threads, too? You must have sent it on Instagram. I'm only... I didn't say it on Instagram. Somebody else said the same thing. Somebody must have said it and I thought it was like literally

my only apps. That's it. Those are my only apps. Someone stole my joke or else it's possible that it was like sometimes Instagram and Facebook will show things from threads to try and get people to move them. Yes, maybe that's it. That is true. Anyway, anyway, check me out on the gram, y'all.

Okay. There you go. And I am at Tescaloos 80. on both Blue Sky and Twitter, and I'm at Jessica Lewis 6-7-8-9 on Instagram. I spend much less time on social media than I used to because it's just sucks your life away a little bit. But it's not, I'm not done.

It's not a terrible thing when you're retired, I will say, that David Bloomberg has just bloomed in his retirement and his social media savvy that he has brought forth. And it's so many places that you can, find his content, he has a link tree, which is going to pop up here. For those on video, you can check out his link tree. So David Bloomberg, tell everyone where they can find you. Yes, that is at link tree slash David Bloomberg. You can find all of my accounts there. You could find me directly on blue sky is at David Bloomberg or the video sites. Well, not or. And and and the video site. YouTube,

TikTok and Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV. I have been posting two or three reality TV short video. every day with the end of the traders and, you know, Survivor 50 really revving it up here. Most videos are now about the latter. There'll be a bit of other shows thrown in there, like Australian Survivor and House of Villains maybe, you know, if I see something in particular that strikes my fancy. But right now it's mostly Survivor 50 content. So, and I, like I said, I still have a couple of traders, things to do. but check those out and yeah we can you know you can you can see everything that i am doing there

so many things so many things so great stuff predictions all right this is a tough one here because we have a swap and normally so are we spoiling like well yeah that's what i'm going to say normally i would say we have no idea who ends up where but in fact we did get the ideas because first of all, they showed clips on TV. I was already, I was already starting to put, I was like freezing and being, okay, these people are on the Red Tribe and these people are here.

And then apparently they released a, a press video or a press photo that showed everything. Okay, great. So multiple people put out, you know, things that showed who's on what tribe. if you are particularly averse to this sort of thing, if you consider it a spoiler, what the tribes are going to be in a few days,

then skip ahead to our closing comments because I'm about to list who will be on each tribe. Three, two, one. Okay, New Sela, who is orange, yes. That will be Surrey, Devons, Rizzo, D, Jonathan, Charlie, Camilla. Okay. That is a lot of original Kalo on one tribe. That is a majority.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But also a lot of challenged firepower. So you know what? Personally, I'm not even going to try to figure out who might be voted out from this tribe because I don't think they're ever going to tribal council. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Literally. I can see that. Yeah. But if they did lose, Rizzo's got to go. You think so? The man, the myth, the legend. Minus the D.

So Rizgo. Yeah. That's what I would say. Anyway, moving on. That's my protection. I think you're probably right, given who's, given who all is. Just because he's the odd man out. He's the only original.

It's an easy vote. Savannah just left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I feel like that makes a lot of. green time talking about, oh, I'm not here to play camp.

I'm here to play Survivor. Oh, me. Oh, me. Like, okay. Go off, King. God. Right. Okay, fair.

All right. Go on. Sorry. All right. Next time. Now we have new Kalo, which someone has said is teal. I don't really know what teal is. But, okay, we'll go with that.

It's teal. That's teal. It's almost, yeah, it's tail. It might be the color of my shirt, actually, now that I think about it. No, that's not, yeah. It's not? No. The color of your name.

Let's go to the jeans. Sir. Respect. Close. Close. No on. Who's on that tribe? So we've got Joe, Chrissy, coach, Tiffany, Aubrey, Colby, Genevieve.

Now, this might seem like it would be great for Joe, or wouldn't be great for Joe, as the only original Sela. But we have to remember, he's super loyal Joe. He's honest Joe. He is honest Joe. And I guarantee the legs of Colby and coach are going to try to get together and pull him in. I'm so excited. I'm so excited as well.

I'm like, all right, go Joe. You know, I want to see Joe and coach have like a loyal off. Like, yeah, I want to see like who can be more loyal. Yes. I love this. Yes. You know, Colby is already aligned with Genevieve. So the question is, do they try to pretend Aubrey is solid with them?

Yes. Or do they just target her right away? That's interesting. I think that I think she's going home. Well, she has the, she has the idol though. And then Christian's going to, it's going to boomerang back to my boy. Okay. Well, let me finish my thoughts here.

because don't you're talking about my winner pick there oh I'm sorry now we haven't seen a lot from Chrissy or Tiffany apparently Chrissy's been annoying people but we're not really sure why how that's a ruse that's a red herring come on fine

I worry that Chrissy you just said something about my winner pick I'm going to say something about Jessica Jessica's I worry Chrissy could be in danger, but if they decide to target Aubrey and

Aubrey does play her idol, then we could be saying an early goodbye to someone like Colby or Genevieve. And they might not even bother to split the vote because Colby and Genevieve, they can assure everyone, we searched her bag. She had no

idol. Yes. I believe that that is a great thought. process. I think it's going to be Genevieve from this drive. Because I do think that it's going to be, you've got the Joe and coach and what's going to be happening. But a lot of people talked about Genevieve in the pregame about how they, they were really worried about her because she's so good and she's so scary. Uh, because she is like, and now I'm curious, she and Colby, like,

what was their relationship? They were because they went through the bag. So like they were all part of that too. But I feel like we could see, we could see a Genevieve thing happening here. I agree. That's fair. As long as it's not Tiff. Tiff is my winner pick. Okay. Well, it can't be Chrissy either.

So, I mean, we're just saying. So who is your winner pick, David? Aubrey. Aubrey. All of our winter picks are now in the same time. I'm sweating. I'm sweating. Yeah.

Tiff. Tiff. It's crazy. It's crazy. Cliff. All right. And then we have new VATU, which is described by some as magenta. I have seen others call it purple.

I have seen others. call it blue. I don't freaking know. I would say magenta. It's like the color of my watch band. Okay. Or my nails. Some have said pink.

I don't know. I failed the colorblindness test in the pink. Clearly. You didn't need to say that. Yeah. I got it from the color of your t-shirt when you're like this one. Am I? I blue gray.

I don't know what teal is. That's not colorblindness. I just don't know the definition of teal. Anyway. Wow. Yeah. I don't know who I'm thinking for this tribe. Well, let me list out who's in here.

Oh, yeah. Sorry. We're getting distracted. There's Christian, Emily, Ozzie, Mike, Angelina, Q, and the other woman. Now, this is the most interesting tribe, I think, because it has all three of the David versus Goliath players in it. Oh, yeah. And it has Emily. Mike has nobody else from Kalo, so you know he will immediately want to jump.

jump in with Christian and Angelina and associated Emily right away. Of course. And we know Angelina was on the outs in VATU. So she's going to want to go all in with them as well. Yeah. That is a solid four right there. They immediately have the majority. Oh, goodness.

You said, what's going to happen here. See what's going to happen. Mike Angelina, Christian, Emily. And. No. No, I can't. Yeah. Listen, I'm, I'm pro Q staying in the game.

So I don't want him to go. He's making great TV. Let's be real. Well, Emma, we know that Emily has said she wanted to get Ozzy out. But I think that they'll be able to see, even though they have a majority, I think they will want that extra number. Because you know that extra votes and block of votes and those sorts of things are floating around in this game. So I think maybe they just convince Emily, nope, we still need him as a number. That would put them at five.

And it would just leave out Q and that. other woman from Vatu. And of course, Q doesn't have a vote. Oh, that's right. So if they go to tribal council, I know who I hope they vote out. I worry on your behalf. I was not worrying until you said that. I was just thinking.

But now on your behalf, I worry it could be Q instead. Listen, Quinn Davies is like a K. He got nine live. So I think it's going to be Stephanie or if we're not naming her. I think it's going to be that old school lady. Because Q just has a way.

I don't know. Like, he just got a way. I think he could weasel his way in with Ozzy. And let me look. Maybe this one's tough. Maybe he could squash

the beef with Angelina. Maybe he could squash the beef. I don't think he's going to. I think it's, I, I've got to go with a cue on this one too. However, if he could squash the beef with Liz, stay pissed. Mike White loves to you. I believe in him. Okay.

All right. Mike White, Mike White loves Q. So there's that too. Mike White, the entertainment. Q is very entertaining. Okay. So that's what I'm like, let's hope for the best from this one. Here's my thought.

I have a theory. I think it will be an Aussie vote but they don't know that he has an idol but the thing is is he going to know to play it if he's got Christian

and Emily there but he doesn't really have them but he does he know that he's been working with them as far as he knows he and Surrey have been working with them yeah and he's long Maybe it's a Aussie and he needs three.

Mm-hmm. But I think I'm going to go rogue and say Angelina. Okay. I predicted Angelina the first two times and I've been wrong. So I'm not making it all. It's like I'm mixing it up. Yes. Well, because here's the thing.

If it is an Ozzy vote, because why not? Let's just be creative. Let's say Ozzie is vote. It is an Ozzie vote and he does know enough to use his idol. then who does Ozzy pick? Who is he targeting? And I think Whoever they tell him,

probably whoever they tell him is the target. Right. Well, no, because, well, if he's going to play his idol, it's going to be because he thinks that he is, that he's the other, you know, that he's done. I think I'm going to go with Angelina on this one too.

As, as he's going to play as idol and then it's Angelina. Here, because here's the thing, Ozzie and Q were on exile together. Mm-hmm. So I think Q's got his little foot in the door there. Okay, that's possibility too. And Q, maybe he doesn't really like Angelina. So he might just be like, but, but, you know, it's going to be juicy. I hope they lose.

I'm going to say, how this goes down. Here's the thing. Out of those possibilities, I don't think they're going to lose. I think it'll be new Kalo. Okay. looking at the, they don't look very well set up for the challenges as much as the others. Well, especially, you know, Coach almost drowned.

Colby brought Superman back. You saw Colby. He brought Superman back. I'm just, right. I mean, and, you know,

plus you have, I mean, he did, but, you know, that was for carrying snakes. You know, it was a 200 pound snake.

I understand that, but he also lost other challenges to Mike White. He lost other portions of, he lost to, is going to lose. I don't think Kelo is losing I think Vatu is losing

Love Q he's terrible at challenges He's really bad I'm going with Liz I think it's Vatu I think Vatu's losing We got Mike White I mean Mike has a six pack now

But you know It's a Hollywood Does it really work You know Like I don't You know Has he ever put it to the chance I don't know

I don't know So I think Kalo will lose I think they're going to try to vote out Aubrey. I think she's going to end up sending Genevieve out instead. And there will be a lot of very upset people on social media, even more than usual. Mother! Yes, yes.

I think there are going to be a lot of people who are upset with me for even suggesting that this is a possibility. I know. But, you know, sorry. I got to call it like I see it and, you know, probably wrong. So with that, as we wrap up, I want to encourage. people to check out the RHAP patron program at Rob has a website.com slash patron. You can get access to all of the special podcasts that are put out just for patrons, plus Facebook groups and Discord.

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Good. Thank you. All right. Excellent. Taking it over as thank you. So thank you to everyone at RHAP for all of the incredible work that you all do and the content that is created. Thank you to Scott St. Pierre for the editing that you do on the podcast.

My daughter actually wanted me to have a conversation with you about editing. I'm just saying if anyone's interested. I've got a daughter who wants to edit. So I'm just going to throw that in there too. But thank you again for all of the content, not only for YBlank loss, but everything. I mean, there's so many things to listen to, to view, to watch, to be a part of with RGAP. So please be currently doing all of those. I mean, of course, this is top of the list, right?

but I'm just saying there's a lot of a lot of I'm just saying there's only one podcast that Liz is you know comes on to so so you know so just start here stay here if you want I'm not saying you have to go anywhere else but you should stabble if you want just a little bit but R2P is a good oh you could go to other plan I'm not discouraging everybody should go to everything but we're all limited on time even I can't listen to everything that's why you come here first right that's it that's all you need at the beginning and then also thank you to Will from America for the theme song that you did create for the audio version of this podcast. It is lovely and delicious and very catchy.

So thank you very much, Will, for that. And Liz, I hope you are no longer pissed. I hope that you had a great time here with us today on this podcast. It was quite lovely having me here. It was always nice seeing you. So thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me again. It's so fun.

I can't wait to see who lost next. especially after that that debate really took much longer than our predictions ever take so yeah sorry guys no no it's more it's more fun right now because it's swap so there's all this unknown right yeah true yes so yes let me add my thanks liz for joining us uh it was a lot of fun and uh thank you jessica as well for joining me every week and uh you know we will see everyone in a week when we will, as I mentioned, have Heidi on, or you can find us on various social media until then. And be sure to say hi.

So, but until then, it's time to say bye. Bye. Bye.