RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 3 w/ Heidi Lagares-Greenblatt

Episode Date: March 14, 2026

Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 3 w/ Heidi Lagares-Greenblatt Q literally asked Mike White to vote against him, and Mike did! But did that actually have any impact on what was going to happen anyway? Does it all come down to Q being “swap-screwed,” or were there specific things he could’ve done to potentially change the outcome? Survivor 44 runner-up Heidi Lagares-Greenblatt joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to answer these questions and many more. Because at RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Q Lost. Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serve To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You're playing yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank Law. And this is why blank lost. Oh, baby, this is why blank lost. Welcome back to the 10th anniversary year of Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg.

And with me is my co-host who would never send someone a Billy Elish boomerang idol without telling me. It's Jessica Lewis. Hello, everyone. And I do wonder if I would actually tell you anything if we played Survivor together. Because it would be really funny to throw people off. that like we weren't actually working together, but then secretly maybe we were. It'd be really quite fabulous.

Okay. Well, there's one other person I know of for sure. Well, there's actually been a bunch, but one other person joining us today, who I know would work with us as well. And so joining us once again is a special returning guest who could never be accused of being a statue because she is always on the move.

Heidi Lagaris Greenblatt. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. So thank you. And yes, if you follow Heidi on social media, you know exactly what I mean about her being always on the move. She's always somewhere. She's always running or running around or doing something. That is very accurate.

Now, I was initially excited. this episode and I even posted on Blue Sky. I was like, I got my prediction right. And then I went back and looked at my notes and I was like, oh, no, no, I didn't. I got it exactly right if I had predicted that new VATU would go to tribal council. And we spent a lot of time talking about that possibility, which is why I was thinking that. Yeah. But I actually predicted new Kalo would lose the challenge.

So that kind of blew that whole thing. for me there. Yeah, I on the other hand, did predict that VATU would go to tribal council but I thought that Stephanie wouldn't, or no, excuse me. I thought that Angelina would end up going because I thought Ozzy was going to

play an idol and it was going to be a whole thing. But regardless, none of us were right entirely. And then I had another almost hit because at the beginning of the season I was trying to predict when would Q go so I could schedule

Liz for that podcast. And I was off by one week. We did. We did get to talk about Q quite a bit last week. So that was good. We had some stories there that Liz gave us. And most of it didn't even have to do with what happened in this vote. So it doesn't even really overlap.

But this week, the focus will all be on him, at least once we get to the rules. Once we get there. Once we get there. We'll compare how he played to a set of guiding rules for winning. I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. In fact, I may add a quote from one of Q's interviews to one of the rules for the future. I'll discuss that when we get there.

But for now, we use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, secret scenes. I just remembered. I forgot to check and see if there were any secret scenes. I looked and there wasn't anything that was real, like, significant. So nothing to worry about there. Okay. The newest published version of the rules can be found by going to Rob has website.com slash YX lost feed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules.

But first, let's check in with you, Heidi. I mentioned you're going all over the place, always on the move. How have you been doing since we talked to you last season? Oh, since last season, doing really well, really busy with my real job, with kids, traveling all over. That is legit. I started a new page to kind of document some of my adventures and my travel separate from my personal one. And it's starting to take off a little, right? Like, it's a new one.

But doing really well, learning about content creation, which you would think I would know by now. with, you know, a survivor, but I didn't do much because we weren't allowed, by the way, to do much with social media back then. So, yeah, just like a lot of new learning. Everything is great. No complaints. Lots of friends in 50 and I've been very vocal to everyone there, not to spoil it for me. So I can have my own opinions and I can do things like this.

So I have no spoilers. I don't know who wins. All right. Although nobody knows, right? Allegedly. Allegedly. I'm sure someone does, but hopefully not. Heidi, you are doing so much that your second name is actually covering you partially.

So I'm going to adjust that for you there. Now we can see all of you. So, but yes, make sure you look at both of, and Heidi will tell you where to go at the end of the podcast also. You got it. A good way, not tell you where to go in a bad way. I can't imagine Heidi ever doing such a thing. My goodness.

Yeah. Well, as always, we have a few other things we want to discuss before we address how Q did in terms of the rules. Let's start with something I know you wanted to talk about, Heidi. And indeed, a topic we discussed last time you were on, Genevieve being something of a surprise so far this season. All right. So I don't, just a quick reminder, right? last time I was here I ended up talking a lot about Genevieve

even though she didn't go out in that episode but somehow I talked about her and I said towards the end of the podcast hey watch how Genevieve has not been shown that much and she's going to do so well and she's going to be like ha ha ha I'm a great player and that's exactly what happened after I was in this podcast

she made it pretty far she became pretty popular within the community of Survivor and she did really well. Now it's very interesting to see the contrast of 50. She talked about Genevieve 2.0, which I love. And now we've seen a lot in the last few episodes. So I don't know if that's a good sign or a bad sign,

but I'm excited to see that it's a completely different Genevieve. And I'm really enjoying her on 50. So I'm excited to see what happens with her. All right. well, yeah, I mean, she, she's in an interesting spot right now. And part of the part of the thing is she's opposing my winner pick, Aubrey here. So. That's right.

Genevieve. There's a little bit of a rivalry there. I don't think it's good for Genevieve. I think it's good for Aubrey. That's my opinion. Because Aubrey is being targeted as opposed to Genevieve targeting her. And I always feel like Survivor, editors, producers, production, they always want you to like feel for someone a particular way and like, oh, poor, oh, no,

Aubrey, she's in so much trouble because everyone's talking about Aubrey. And now there's a whole scene dedicated to Genevieve, like, I am going to target her. And like setting the stage for this to happen, I think it's not good for Genevieve. I think it's really good for Aubrey. Okay. Well, no offense to Genevieve, but I hope you're right. You know, on the argument. Yeah.

No. And see, I think that's, I think that's part of the issue with, like, seeing players like this because, and I, and I have to credit, I'm going to just, Kew talked a lot about this. And I thought it was interesting in his exit interviews where when people are coming back for a second season, they've paid attention to what they did in their previous season. And perhaps they change up their games because of it. Or maybe they just want screen time. They know that they want TV time, right? And Q was not a fan of that. And so I do think it's interesting to see how players come back and play again when they've seen themselves play or they've been through the circumstance and the game once.

And so I think it's fascinating that Genevieve is like, no, we are going to do Genevieve 2.0. We're going to do something a little bit different here. And whether or not it's going to work for her, I feel like it's not because of the group of people she's playing with. She played aggressively last time, but it was a slow aggressive play. She kind of built up to it and was a little more like under the radar but still aggressive. She's not doing that this time. Now she's like front and center telling people point blank, this is why Aubrey is a threat. This is why Aubrey has to go.

And with this group of people, I don't think that's the way to do it. I really don't. That's just my humble opinion. But that's why I think it's probably not going to work out for her. I agree with that actually. And in this episode, they showed her how she was very aggressive talking. And it was interesting because they literally showed us how she talked to every person at the tribe. So it's meant to you do that.

It never plays out well for them because you're telling the same story across. And they are going to figure that out. And she's the one throwing the name out. So to your point, I agree a thousand percent. and they're clearly giving us enough, Genevieve, to know that this is going to be messy and not good for her game. Yeah, and she's already been thrown under the bus by someone to Aubrey.

Well, and you know who had an edit similar to that when she came back one time, Aubrey, who went and said the same thing to various people, and then they talked to each other and said, wait, she said that to you, she said the same thing for me. Exactly. Yeah. I like how they're putting them against each other, though.

Like they're clearly kind of like playing that and you know that's going to play a role in the game later because they have given us some of that in every episode. So it's clearly something that's going to come for both of them. And I truly think it's going to come down for Gene Aviv rather than Aubrey. I agree with that. All right. Well, mentioning the situation with Aubrey leads me to the next topic I wanted to touch on. The plan by Christian and Devin's. to pretend to their allies,

Surrey and Emily, that Devin's found the idol and sent it to Aubrey. Now, I don't mind the thought overall. However, there were a lot of problems with this plan. One, the timing of it could get them in trouble because whoever ended up with Aubrey

could talk to her and find out she didn't get the idol, quote, last night, the way they were telling the story, but rather a couple days earlier. So that's a problem with the story right there. And then it got worse because they weren't able to tell Emily. So Christian said something last minute on the mat just before the swap.

And he compounded the timing issue with confusing messaging saying, we sent it without actually specifying what happened. So he left their story behind. And look, I understand he had to do it quickly. he could have whispered something like Devons found something last night that sent an idol to someone else Aubrey in case you end up on her tribe.

Okay. That conveys all the information she needs to know in a short statement. He could have added, didn't get a chance to tell you this morning. Okay? That would have involved less whispering to her than all the back and forth

that ended up happening. Yeah. Because the way he actually did it, it was so confusing to her that she was like, he just dropped this on her, we sent Aubrey an Idol. She's like,

oh, wait, what? You know, and she's trying to listen to Jeff at the same time. And Devin's is right there on her immediate left,

bantering with Jeff. So she's got a voice in front of her, a voice to her left. And now you've got Christian whispering in her ear. And she's trying to figure this out. And it was just, it was, not great communication on Christians.

If you in that circumstance and you know that the game is going to be moving forward because they do shut you dead. They do tell you you're not allowed to talk anymore like before you're leaving to go to various things like a challenge. But that is such a crucial piece of information. I don't care who Emily is visiting with, chatting with talking with whatever. You need to you need to just say, Emily, I have to talk to you, period. It's like, who cares if it's going to cause people to go to wonder and be curious? You have to relay that information to her if you know that there's a possibility that the swap is coming.

The last place to try to do that is in the moment that Christian chose. It's not beneficial at all. And so I just really, I understand those moments. They're very frustrating because when you want to talk to somebody and they won't stop talking to someone, I ran into that with, I've talked about it on this podcast with Ken where he would not stop talking to Will. And I'm like, oh my gosh, please. Like, I need to talk to you. We have a tribal council site. But you just have to get in there and you have to insert yourself because you're going to miss the moment and they clearly miss the moment. And then Emily just turned into sharing

information with everybody about everything all over the place. So I think that perhaps that would have stopped that all from happening. Maybe we'd have a different result. Who knows? Yeah. I mean, that was something I made a video about this earlier today and that was one thing I pointed out. I was like if these two can work together to plant a fake idol in tribal council, they can work together to get Emily aside, even if it's only one of them grabbing the person she's talking to. Like Christian going up, like if she's talking to Ozzy, go up, Christian, you know, go to Ozzy and say, hey, Ozzie, I have to talk to you about something. Right.

Then you leave her. Joe in the in the hammock. I mean, come on. There's all kinds of things. Right. Jessica alluded to something, and I don't know if we're allowed to talk about this, but I'm going to say it and you can stop me if it's not allowed.

It's a little bit about behind the scenes because I know as a fan, I would always say like, how come they couldn't say that to each other? I tried, right? Because I didn't understand how it works. And the way it works is, you know, you are going through different interviews. confessionals, you know, while you are on the island. And then when you come back, they say, okay, you cannot talk anymore. And then you got to go to the challenges or whatever situation is happening sometimes

tribal counsel, right? So that's probably exactly what happened to them. Someone was in a confessional. They came back and then they had to leave. So you cannot talk. While you're traveling to the different locations, you cannot talk to each other. And then once you're back to the next location, in this case, what was it, the swap? then it was when they can talk.

So I want to just say it because as a fan, I was always like so frustrated. Like how come they couldn't talk before, right? That's how and why. So I think, you know, Jessica alluded to that, you cannot talk. And for anybody who's listening, that's how it works. I still have to believe there was enough time to talk at some point.

They had time to talk to Surrey. Now, maybe Emily was out on one of her confessionals at that point. But at some point there had to be a shift in there to talk to other people and confessional. Well, yeah, they mentioned specifically that she was talking to Joe and then she was talking to Ozzy. So, like, those are the moments. You just, you have to, you have to step in. You have to insert yourself. Get those two away from each other.

Even if it's a very quick, like, this is what's happening. We don't have time to really explain it. But you have to know this before we go on to the challenge kind of moment. Because, yeah, I mean, that's it. I was actually surprised when they were walking in. I'm like, oh, they didn't tell Emily yet. And then all of a sudden, Christian was like, what is happening?

Not great, not great. Yeah. And then you already mentioned this. You know, Emily just spun out from there. And I still can't believe she was so freaked out by what Christian said, that she immediately spilled it to all these people. She was essentially just meeting. You know, I mean, Christian is someone she knows outside the game.

Hugh is someone she said in her pregame interviews. She's met a couple of times, but she's always felt like he doesn't like her. So why? Why would you then tell him all of this? I mean, I don't know. There was some discussion that this is also how she plays blood in the clock tower, that she says a bunch of information. This was at. the Los Angeles live know-it-alls.

That, you know, she gives all this information, then she goes back and apologizes. So, I don't know, maybe it's just, it's just her. She gets something, she gets an ID in her head, and she runs with it. You know, and then that's what happened because she mostly changed her mind because of how Q and the other woman were acting, which we will discuss once we get to the rules.

But, yeah, just this all happened. this cyclone of events just happened so quickly. Yeah. Do you think there's any chance she did it slightly on purpose? I know she comes very authentic and not faking what was happening, right?

Like she legit looked like she was authentic, apologizing to Christian. But part of me is like, but you may be doing that, but you knew that you were being messy and maybe you were trying to kind of, I don't know, No, to me, I'm like as a player, I know that is Emily.

And if we know her from her previous season, you know, she probably doesn't think about it twice when she's taking action or saying certain things. So I could see that being her and then recovering. By the way, she recovered very well, I think. But part of me was like, maybe there's a little bit in her that she wanted, wanted to create a little bit of chaos. I don't know. I don't think so.

I really don't. I think it was just she was acting on Instagram. and then realized her instinct stunk. Yeah, I tend to agree. I think that it, I think what she was, it was a lot of knee-jerk reactions to how she felt in the moment. It seemed,

I'm just going to say, it seemed kind of emotional, right, where she was frustrated with Christian. She thought they were working together and all of a sudden he's telling her this information. And so it was like, I just,

I'm so, like, I just have to tell somebody because I feel like I've been slighted now by people I was working with. And I do think that Survivor has such, such a way of messing with the way your brain chemistry normally works where you would process things and you would work through things and say, oh, well, that's weird that that happened.

And you would kind of go through the scenarios in your head and why someone would do something. But in Survivor, you're always suspicious of why someone did what they did. And so you're immediately like, well, they're against me. And they must be, they must be working against me now. And now I have to do something to protect myself and so I have to throw them under the bus. And then you realize later, maybe I moved a little quickly there. And I think that's what Emily kept doing. She was like, oh, this thing is happening.

And I need to respond to it right now instead of thinking about it for a few seconds. And then realizing later, oh, hi, Christian. You're really going to be upset with me. And I tell you what I did. You're like, ooh. And you know. Here's why part of me question it, right? She is now in the middle because of what she did, right?

which is like, I'm going to tell this to one side of the coin, right, including Aussie there. And we can see that she created a bond with Aussie, Aussie vote with all of them, right? So it's a little bit of, okay, I created my bond on this side. And then I'm going to go apologize to Christian and still be like, okay, I'm also okay with this side. So she positioned herself, whether it was a mistake or intentional, she positioned herself as the swing boat. That's a great place to be right now. So that's why as a player, maybe it was not intentional. It was pure luck.

But it worked out for her because now she has love from both sides, right? Yeah. I think she recovered great. And she ends up in it, like you said, in an awesome position. But I think it was totally unintentional. Yeah. Yeah. And she's very authentic.

It came very authentic, her moment. with Angelina was very authentic and I really think it helps her because now you have the three David and Goliah and then she's like she can break it with Aussie if Aussie somehow tells her about his goodies because he has goodies now

versus okay maybe I go with the three but then you're at the bottom of the three so I think she has options which is a great place to be right now for her otherwise she would have been at the bottom because the three can take over right and Aussie could essentially play his idol or anything he has extra vote or whatever to kind of position himself well. So I think she seriously, I think maybe it was pure luck, but that was like really, she's really well positioned within that tribe.

Yeah, I do want to mention he doesn't have the extra vote anymore. Remember, he gave that to Surrey. So I forgot about that. You're right. You're right. Oh, man. That was an interesting choice too. Yes.

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She did the same thing with Angelina. All of a sudden, she was like, oh, my gosh, you're so wonderful. And I'm going to give you a hug. And you're like, wait, what just happened? Like, it was so quick how she just kind of shifted. I do think it's interesting to see her learning how to acclimate herself to this game without anybody helping her through it because the last time she played, she really, she struggled in the beginning, really forming relationships with people, but she had help.

And she's coming into this game without necessarily having that help, but having some type of a relationship with a few of the players going into the game. So it's interesting to see her kind of working through that. Like she's even struggling with Christian, how I like Christian, but I have to play my own game. I'm not going to play Christian's game. But then she's realizing she also needs Christian at the same time and she doesn't want to upset him. And so it is fascinating just to see her working through all of the possibilities with the different players and also her desire to want to play with them at the same time, which might work against

how she wants to play with another person. So I feel like she's in it for the long haul, though, because she has positioned herself in this swing boat place, even if it was kind of accidental. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, switching tribes, I thought it was absolutely hilarious to watch Charlie sieved because of what Rizzo said about not voting for his best friend in the game to win. And the best part is it was a whole lie. So this was something that like it, I don't know why they didn't pick up on this, but at Los Angeles, live know-it-alls when you listen or watch it. They seem to be confused about this. Stephen does and others do discussing it because what Rizzo was doing was doing was.

was making it sound like he and Savannah didn't really play together. This was part of the charade that the two of them had agreed to beforehand. And I think Stephen even said something about, well, Savannah was gone, so he didn't need to do that anymore. Well, yeah. But as Q said in interviews, Rizzo told him that he hadn't been close with Savannah. So he can't change his story now. just because he's on a different tribe,

he can't be like, oh, well, actually we played the whole game together. Ha, ha, ha. Because that just absolutely paints him as a liar. So he has to stick to that story. And it should be fine as a story. He doesn't realize he is absolutely triggering Charlie and making himself look like a Maria. Yeah.

And I don't know why he would even go down that path to start, right? Like, I understand he presented it as a fan. I just have a question for you. Like, upsetting an individual in that way, maybe Rizzo thought it would be helpful to get Charlie, like, thrown off a bit. But if you think that Charlie's goal. I think he did, too.

I think he let the fan and him take over the player in that moment because he said, I'm sure that Charlie has to prove why he didn't. win his season. And so that's why he's back now. It's like he has to prove he should have won his season. So to then start talking about something that made so many people uncomfortable. Like, I mean, the fandom was was talking about that a lot. And then to sit there and be like, so do you not talk to her anymore? Like, what do you just like throw sand in his face? You know, I mean, like, it's just, you know, Charlie was upset about it. I mean, he made a video of himself

crying in a shower over it, which was, you know, a big thing on. social media. And so like, I don't know. I feel like maybe don't go there, Rizzo. Like, maybe don't. And then to see Charlie's response to it. I mean, he was completely just like, you could see his eye just almost like twitching. So was talking about it when he was laying

there. Just, just crazy, just absolutely crazy, but also like kind of delicious because Rizzo just completely forgot about the game for like five seconds right there. He was like, oh, I have to know this. I just have to know. Yeah. I love props to the producers.

the way they did that scene where they started with the whole Maria, Riso and Charlie. And then they gave us the night before where Charlie was like this. It was great, great TV, great editing. The way they did it was fantastic. In all honesty, this is why I'm loving 50

because people come with baggage and it's so hard for that baggage to not affect your game. Because let's be honest, we all play in some ways and there are good things and bad things we did. This game is hard. So they're all coming here and they're going to try to fix their mistakes, but there's baggage. And sometimes the emotions come into play. And I really hope they showed us this because that's going to have a moment later on

on what's going to happen between Charlie and Rizzo. I cannot wait for that. I seriously, I'm looking forward to that. I'm excited about it. It will be funny if Charlie ends up voting out Rizzo and Rizzo had no idea why until he just watched that. And he's like, oh, yes. I hope so. Who actually asked Rizzo, well, do you think they're going to call you a Maria?

Like, who asked him that when he was explaining who he voted for? I don't remember. But it was, yeah, it was after that. But it was fascinating that somebody else was like, I'm going to add a little bit of fuel right here. Yeah. You'd be like, oh, wait a second. And it threw them off. He's like, well, no, because I didn't make her lose.

It was like somebody, somebody saw it immediately. And I was like, ooh, ooh, wait. Yeah. And cry. All right. Well, I have another couple of short things here. We'll try to go through these rapid fire, although that usually doesn't work on this podcast. But we'll try.

One, we saw Joe end up on the same tribe as Colch, Cooke. Colch? I guess I'm combining Colby and Coach into one person. And he said he was looking for them for, quote, core values. I know we discussed it a lot last week, so we don't need to go into it much, but he still doesn't understand that the core values of Survivor are to scheme and plot, not to be honest and have integrity. And he even told them right away, I won't lie to you and I'm not. trying to scheme. Yes, Joe, we know. We know. Heaven forbid. Heaven forbid you should try to scheme

in the game of Survivor. Yeah. No way. The three of them, the three of them in that moment, it was just, you could just see like, they were just like oozing all over each other. They're like, oh, we're so loyal and we're so, look at us. And we're, we're so proud. And it was just like, oh, my God, like this is, I kind of love it just because to bring them all together is just going to be so delicious, but at the same time, it's like the entire fandom that's watching this happen, you're just like, ooh, I don't know if this is

really what we're looking for right now. I was really hoping for him, and it could still happen, just like I said, Genevieve, he's going to come back and be like, ha ha, ha, I'm really hoping Joe, like something flips on him and he's going to be like, ha ha, you know, I was going to say

a bad word, ha ha, I'm back, and I'm like, backstabing everyone. I think it will be glorious if somehow he does that at the merch, right? But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen from the previous episode. But I would tell you, if that comes, I would be like completely unvoting for Joe to win kind of thing, right? If I was there. Because he could use it for his advantage.

Right. If he did it, it would be amazing. It would also probably make me pass out with, you know, I just, you know, no, yeah, no way. Another item is I've been, I've seen some people mentioning it was a bit odd when the winning tribe and the immunity challenge kept their blindfolds on after they'd already won. Because normally we could pull them off to celebrate. Yeah. But so here's my bet.

And this is why I wanted to bring it up. I'm, I'm thinking they weren't allowed to take them off. So they could not help another tribe. and that would be especially important right after a swap because we've seen that before where one tribe helps another way in a matter of fact Jessica it happened on your season after a swap as a matter of fact because what was it was it Michaela who said something

like if if they can't vote out the right people that's their problem or something like that yes she did she was very she was very vocal about the choice that was made Yes. So, yeah, I think they did that for specifically that reason so that there would be no help given there. I'm trying to remember in the, because we had a blindfolded challenge. I feel like it was the same thing that they weren't allowed to take off because there was three. In your season, Jessica?

Yeah. Was there three? Yeah, there was three at that point. And I feel like they weren't allowed to. I know she's frozen or she just was thinking really hard. Okay. I'm not, am I still frozen?

Do I need to dance? You were frozen while you were thinking. So it was very funny timing for that exact reason. So it definitely worked. But I feel like they did the same thing in our season where like you couldn't take off the blindfolds until everybody was done. Okay. Maybe it was just more obvious this time, but.

The second tribe, and I don't know if you both noticed, the second tribe did get it off right away. So I agree the first one did and the second tribe did. So I think there's that's, I love the theory. I think that's pretty right on. Yeah. Okay. And now I have our semi-regular segment, our new

semi-regular segment. The CBS Morning's crew is wrong about blank. Except this week, believe it or not, they weren't actually really wrong about anything because they didn't say anything. Maybe they're learning. I mean, I doubt it, but maybe. They asked Q.

questions like about him telling Mike to vote for him. And they were generally not prepared for actual answers. Like, you know, we'll, we'll of course get into it later. But Q was explaining his strategy to these clueless talking heads. And it was funny because they had no idea what he was talking about. He's like explaining this intricate strategy of trying to tie up the vote and cause a re-vote and all this. they had no idea.

They had no idea. They're just nodding along. Yeah, well, okay, time for the weather. You know, I mean, that was. Great stuff. Yeah. All right. Well, there were, of course, other things going on.

There were lots of other things. We had to cut down our list. So I will be posting some of it on TikTok and YouTube, where I'm at David Bloomberg TV. But before we get to how Q did, we do want to mention. that the rules we're about to discuss coming a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form. Yes, they do. Website.com slash YX lost feed. Scroll down to the poster, click on it, and order it.

And of course, the poster is, was made drawn by Eric Reichenbach, who also made the shirt that I am wearing. This is the, uh, this is the David's shirt, uh, from when all the David's got together and they, they used all their different, all their different trinkets. And so, you know, I had gotten the shirt. It's been a while since I could wear this, but with Christian in right now and being at the forefront talking about sending an idol and everything else, I thought this was the appropriate time to wear it. So, but I'm not sure if you could still order the David shirt from Eric, but you can order

the poster on a shirt from us. Yes, you can. So you can, again, just scroll down on rob has a website.com slash yxlost feed. Or you can get the checklist version if you keep scrolling down. So just, you know, all this good stuff for you there. Lots of options. Yes. Well, Q literally asked Mike White to vote against him.

Am I? But did that actually have any impact on what was going to happen anyway? Does it all come down to Q being swap screwed? Or were there specific things he could have done to potentially change the outcome? We are here to answer these questions and many more because at RHAP we know Survivor and we know why Q lost. The first and most important rule, like I said earlier, the core value of Survivor is, of course, to scheme and plot. Q seemed like he was in a great spot

with his original tribe, especially before Kyle got injured. Even after that, the alliance brought in Rizzo to replace him, and if they'd gone to tribal council, Angelina or Aubrey were very likely to go,

as long as Aubrey didn't play her idol, of course. And indeed, Q said in interviews, there were discussions within the tribe about throwing a challenge while they had that solid situation

so he and Colby could regain their votes. But they waited just a bit too long. I'm, I have to stop just for a moment though about throwing the challenge to get their votes back

because I know that once they went to tribal council then they would get the vote back, correct? But then they would be down two votes. So what was the numbers again? How many did they have like, who was on the outs at that point? I mean, I think just Aubrey and Angelina were on the outs.

Okay. So. And they probably, you know, according to what you said, they still all believed Aubrey had an idol. So they probably would have voted on Angelina. Yeah. I was just kind of fascinated with the, because I'm like, well, that's two votes that you're like, that's a huge, that's a huge risk to be taking.

It is. I'm a throw challenge. Go to tribal just so we can regain our votes, but then hope we have enough votes to actually make this happen. Their alliance was five. So even with only three votes, it beats Angelina and Aubrey's two votes. No, and that's, that's true. That is fair.

I just wanted to some clarification. So thank you. I appreciate that. So once the swap hit, of course, Q was in a very different position. He did have two other members of his tribe with him, but one of them was Angelina, the person he had been targeting.

And even worse was that Angelina had both of her fellow David versus Goliath players. Oh, and Mike was separately friends with Ozzie outside the game as well. That was a new revelation. this was obviously a less than ideal situation for him. And as I mentioned, I've already heard the term swap screwed, bandied about. Look, I'm not going to sit here and say the swap didn't play a role because, of course, it did. But I also don't like that term because it implies there was nothing he could have done.

When in reality, there was. Even Brando talked about that in the Archap No at all's live event Wednesday night. there's always or at least almost always I think maybe once or twice in the history of Survivor I have found that there was absolutely nothing they could have done so I'll say almost always something you can do and we're going to talk about several of those things for Q because he did try

he thought he would earn some goodwill from Ozzie by relating how he was part of the group that sent Ozzy the idol And after Emily spilled all that information about Aubrey's idol and Christian's role in it, Hugh tried to bring her to his side as well. But as we mentioned briefly earlier, Emily saw how Q and the other woman were, in her words, driving the conversation and just using her as a vote, which was also essentially what Q told us that he needed her for that very reason.

He basically misplayed that situation by scheming in such an obvious manner that Emily saw right through it. And once it happened and Emily went back with her tail between her legs to Christian, that was kind of the hope, the end of any hope Q had that he could get Angelina out. Yeah, I think it's interesting, though, that the read that she had was that as opposed to, if you look at it from where she's standing, there are two votes for her, right? So even if they're telling her like, this is what we're going to do,

it still could be to her benefit because really now she's tied with a group of three that have worked with them before, that have been closed before, that have a prior relationships. And now she's with that three. So is she number four in that three? As opposed to like looking at Q and the other woman

and just going, well, but that's two votes that, and they're going to work with me. I just feel like I can understand the concern about the way it was presented. Like maybe it was a little too much. Like, this is what we have to do. However, everyone was talking about everything in such a fast-paced way. And she was running around telling people all kinds of things and sharing information

in a way that could have come across as a little bit much and a little bit, you know, and a lot, right? And so I think that it's, it is a read for sure that that that's, way she felt about it. At the same time, Q was like, I have to move quickly right now because of everything that's happening because I have to make sure that I have these votes. So I could see it being a concern for her,

but I could also see it because she could have used it to her benefit. I have a question or maybe a reminder. So I know the fans voted for the swap. Did they tell us, and I remember voting, but did they tell us what week it was going to happen? I don't think we knew it was going to happen this quickly, did we, as a fan? I don't think so. I don't think they got that specific in anything.

And to be honest, lots of people, you know, it was funny that Charlie was complaining about it. And then Christian was like, did you vote for the swap? He's like, yeah. That was one of the things I did vote for. You know, I voted for the swap. Yes, because I don't, it gets a little boring otherwise. You just have one disaster tribe that keeps going and losing and losing and losing and losing. And you get down to two people or whatever.

So no, that's not much fun. But that's also the same reason that I voted to give fire and rice is so that you wouldn't have the one disaster tribe. You know, so, you know, the swap one carried the day. Unfortunately, the other ones didn't. So. Jessica, I know your. your feelings about the three tribes? What's your feelings about the tribe swaps this early?

I think this is kind of throwing everything off too soon. I like a swap. I agree with David's reasonings there, that there is usually one disaster tribe. But I do think that there is something to be said about, in a returning season, if you are so worried about prior relationships affecting the game, having the swap this early just introduces those prior relationships that

much sooner and makes them more important, right? Which is exactly what we saw happen. We saw people that had played the game before. We saw people that knew each other outside of the game. Suddenly they all gravitated towards each other. And so I think now what you're doing by introducing the swap so early is you are allowing those outside game relationships to affect in-game. And that's what I don't like about it.

I agree. That's a good point. Yeah, I hadn't even thought about it. Yeah, especially when you have three different groups of three, you know, that this could have happened with. Yeah. We'd have to have Christian work out the odds, you know. I mean, obviously the odds, you know, for the Survivor 49 group were zero because of how it was gone. But for the other groups, you know, the, yeah.

And then that doesn't, you know, and then add in the groups of two that were there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It does raise that possibility. So, yeah, yeah. It doesn't. It's interesting. I'm sure Q, I mean,

so when he went in the journey, he gave up his vote way too easily, right? And now, you know, you got to expect anything. He, you know, when you're going to Survivor, to your point of, is the swap going to affect this game? It definitely did. But part of it was also because he didn't have. have a vote and that was up to him, right?

He didn't negotiate at all. He was just like, okay, I'm okay with that. And then clearly that was part of the detriment. Yeah. I think we'll have more discussions about that in rule six when we get to that. Okay. That's true. That's true.

It's coming up flooding. Take me back to number one. There's no jumping ahead here, I mean. I know. I can help it. So Q admitted to Mike Bloom that he didn't expect Ozzie and Emily to flip against him. And he said, but again, I should have thought of that. Yeah, you should have.

Especially since he also talked in interviews about having caught Ozzy in a line about what happened with the extra vote. And yet he still continued with his plan. And again, look, I'm not saying he could have found a way to get Angelina voted off. It probably was not happening in this group. He even told Mike Bloom, who else are they going to vote for? It's either me or the other woman. He only had two people who might do it, as he said in interviews, Emily and Ozzy. But his biggest problem was he limited himself in choice of targets.

As soon as he realized, it was himself or the other woman from his original tribe. He should have been trying to get everyone looking at her. not him. You know, I know he said in interviews, well, I'm loyal. I wouldn't turn out an ally unless they did something to me. And he also said, well, if she were gone, I would be next. Okay.

I mean, the loyalty thing, just like we say with Joe, put it aside. You're here to win the game for yourself. And for the, well, I'll be next. Maybe. But he already knows there was one early swap. How does he know. there won't be another one before the tribe loses again.

Or maybe they don't lose before the merge. Or maybe he finds or is sent an idol. You have to do whatever you can to stick around even one extra day in this game. You don't know what will happen. But he refused to even consider it. Yes. And what I don't really understand is why they didn't all kind of come around to like this idea of Emily because like Emily is literally running around to all of them sharing information and no one

is like realizing this and no one is going hmm what is happening here with Emily and I understand like Angelina was like oh I owe everything to Emily because she told me what's what's going on but it just I I don't know how Emily managed to like get out of this unscath that no one was like hey what is Emily doing like nobody nobody was was even discussing this and Emily was like oh well look where I am now I'm right in the middle which you were talking about earlier Heidi that she kind of ended up there but it wasn't because I think she was trying it was because it just happened and nobody called her out on it. It's very very strange to see that happen. I didn't very much understand how she wasn't targeted at all. I think there's a couple parts to that. One, it was a very short turnaround. I mean

They said there was the swap and then the next day was tribal council. That's part of it. And the other part is they, I mean, it's not like Angelina was going to go and tell Q or Q was going to go and tell Angelina. You know, they were clearly against each other at that point. Yeah. And Q thought he had Emily. Right. But you also had Ozzy.

Ozzy was like kind of going back and forth amongst everyone too. So like the, and I realize it's Ozzy. and Ozzy is really trying to play as Oscar and I appreciate that so much. But like, Ozzy also knew that Q didn't have a vote. So, like, where did that go? You know, like, he doesn't say that to anybody. Like, I just feel like there was a very big missing piece

because Ozzy and Emily seemed to be kind of in control of how this vote was going to end up. But, like, they also were, like, making very strange strategic decisions during that process. and they somehow managed to not ever be looked at. I mean, I don't, it was very strange to me like that. No one was putting these things together. No one was.

It was very, very sure. I understand it was a lot. It was quick. It was a quick turnaround, but very, very odd to say the least. I mean, I guess I just didn't find it that odd because between the timing and the way that, you know, these grew, I mean, like you said, yeah, Ozzie was talking to people, but he was lying to them, you know. I mean, he lied to Q. He apparently lied to the other woman based on the look on her face when Q was voted out. So, and the thing is, Q did have a plan to get out of the situation.

And it almost made sense. But there's a few problems. First, you had to start with the baseline presumption that he had actually convinced Ozzy and Emily to vote with him instead of against him. Right. In that case, so this is where we get to the reason he told Mike to vote for him. And was that he presumed Angelina and Christian would do the same as Mike. So that would be three votes coming at Q. And then if Emily and Ozzy were indeed on his side, their votes plus the other woman would be three votes on Angelina.

Okay, so you have a tie. And he was thinking on a re-vote after the tie, both players lose. lose their vote. Since he already didn't have a vote, he wouldn't lose anything. And that would mean it would still be the same three votes against Angelina and only two votes against him and he would, he would succeed. But there's one rather important thing he forgot. I have not yet heard anyone else mentioned this on podcasts yet, though of course, I can't consume every piece of Survivor Media. So it's quite possible someone else did. And at almost the exact same time, I was writing up my notes for this podcast. Josh Kettle's was posting the same thing on Blue Sky.

And he said he might call into the RHAP patron Q&A episode to discuss it. So it might show up there. That important piece of information is that the tiebreaker doesn't actually work the way Q thinks it does. It was established previously. We saw it on Survivor 47. If there is a tie and one person lost their vote, the other person does get to vote in order to make it fair. Anyone wants to check, it was episode 8 of Survivor 47. There was a tie between Sam and Sierra. Sam had lost his vote. Jeff let Sierra vote against him.

Now, in that case, as we know, since Sam proceeded, you know, to get to the end, it didn't matter. because everyone else turned on Sierra. But in this case for Q, it would have still meant to tie if everyone else held fast. So it was definitely not as easy as he thought it would be. Even if

he had Emily and Ozzy on his side. And then you get to the point of, well, Emily and Ozzy aren't going to rocks for Q. You know, in that situation. so yeah i think we know which way it would have gone at that point and it all comes down to him not understanding you know the the tiebreaker rules so many rules and survivor do you think he did he thought that far through i don't think he did i think he was thinking they're going to try to one of them will throw a vote at him and just he was hoping to not go for the tie i mean

I mean, that's what he said in interviews, and that's how it played out on the show. I think he expected the tie. I do believe he thought that part through and was like, ha ha, I have found the loophole here. Right, right. He found the thing that was going to save him, but there was an extra step that he was failing to. Yeah. Yeah. So.

I don't know. To your point, it's like, never throw your name under the boss there. Well, that's the biggest part about all of this. When you say, put my name down, okay, great. Because even if Mike hadn't already been planning to vote for Q, you just made it really easy for Mike to go back and tell everybody, like, listen, he just told me to put his name down. Like, he actually told me because he thinks that somehow that's going to help Stephanie.

So you're clearly making it obvious to everyone that you're close with Stephanie, because you're trying to save her. And you're putting your neck on the line to save Stephanie. So yes, you are. introducing yourself to everyone as well let's just over cue them yeah yeah exactly it's too easy too early right like I don't get it at all whether it was he thought it would be a tie whether he thought anything else to to be honest I think it was it was wrong because you never throw your name there I mean the wrong part was he should have been targeting her he should have

been telling everyone yes I'm willing to work with you vote for her instead of trying to save her. That was the key problem. And then once you go down, it's like a decision tree, you know, which I know, Heidi, I'm sure you're very familiar with. You know, once you make that decision, that one wrong decision, then it's all wrong decisions from there on out. But, you know, then he had the wrong decision of presuming that Ozzie and Emily were on his side.

then he had the wrong decision of thinking that even if they were on his side, a tiebreaker would work in his favor. So he went wrong to wronger to wrongest. Yeah. So. I think, I think Q loves to scramble and he was trying to scramble. I mean, he also said, I have an extra vote, right, to throw them off.

Yeah. Yeah. So the, the scramble is always real with Q, which, by the way, it's fun to watch. Right. All right. Well, we can move to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much

and to keep your scheming secret. Now, right off the bat, well, a lot of people said what you said. Q telling Mike to vote for him would violate this rule. But I don't think it did because Q had a plan. It was a hugely flawed plan.

It was a bad plan. But a bad plan. But a bad plan. makes it a rule one problem, not a rule two problem. But he still had some issues here in rule two. To start with, I understand he thought he needed to get people on his side right away. But by throwing Angelina under the bus, he gave Emily ammunition. And as we saw, Angelina actually believed she was somewhat on the end with her original.

tribe. But Emily relaying what Q said told her that absolutely wasn't the case. And with her being connected to Mike and Christian, that's the majority right there. You know, as we discussed in rule one, he needed to find another path. Yeah. I mean, I, I, but I do really find it to be fascinating that he was so willing to not find that other path, which the only option, and he even said it himself, and you've mentioned it multiple times, was Stephanie. And unfortunately, you have to put yourself before the person that you're necessarily, like your ride or die, if you will. If you're the other half that's potentially going to die at that point, then, yeah, I mean,

that's really the only option I think was necessarily there, unless he was going to try to get everybody to go against Emily, but we've, for whatever reason, that wasn't, that didn't seem to be the way anyone wanted to go either. Yeah. I mean, he believed he needed her. Yeah. Yeah. He, but I mean, he knew he didn't have a vote.

He in his mind is thinking the David versus Goliath, you have to, if you're a survivor person or fan, you know those three were together, right? independently of their story or history within the island, they're still going to stick together because it's like they know each other. And I feel like he had to know it was four against three, but he doesn't have a vote. So maybe part of his scheming too much, I think the fault was, we already said it, throwing his name,

maybe saying, you know, I have an extra vote. Could have been part of trying to scheme, but I think it just backfire when he started throwing his name there. again to me it's the scheming too much comes or equals to scramble and that's he was trying to scheme way too much the scramble was real and ended up like being a mess that which is why they started putting his name there I really think you know his his MO is kind of like the scramble I mean let's be honest I think so um it is I don't disagree much yeah I do think though that there was there was the way that he ended up handling Ozzy, I think really was probably the biggest issue for him because you know Ozzy has an idol because you were part of giving it to him, right? So you really could have leaned in on that more. And then also the fact that you do have the three. Ozzy was right there. He was like, those three have to be broken up. Like we have to break those three up. And so that really, I think,

should have been his bigger push is, was Ozzy and not necessarily, yes, you need Emily. But if you have Ozzy, you can get Emily because Emily, for whatever reason, really wants to work with Ozzy. And so I just. I don't see Ozzy convincing Emily. I'm sorry. I know. I mean, they sat there and he was like, but can we do it next time? Yeah.

And so, yes, it was like the Emily and Ozzy show where neither one of them could really like make it. They were like, is this a bad idea? Oh my gosh. Should we do this? Like I don't. And it's like it was, it was really kind of cute to watch them like working. through it, but it's like the obvious decision is to break up the three, period. Like, that is the most obvious thing in the world, as far as I'm concerned.

Like, we have to break up those three. And so the fact that, like, that wasn't like the, like, that, like beating that drum was, should have been like the biggest, like, look at that that's over there. That's three people that are working together. We have an opportunity to break that apart and do that right now. and Ozzy, you have an idol. So if we really have to, you know who they're voting for.

You can play your idol and save me. And then we break up the three. Instead of this, we're going to have a vote and it'll be a tie. And then when we come back, it won't be a tie anymore. And then they'll go home. It's much more convoluted to go down that path as opposed to trying to convince Ozzy to play his idol in order to break up the three. I don't think Emily knows he has an idol.

he Emily doesn't but Q knows Q does right right right yeah yeah I just I don't think you're going to convince those two to go against Christian at that point because I mean well Ozzie maybe because Ozzy was not part of that core alliance well even if you don't if you have an idol it doesn't matter you don't even need Emily at that point if he can convince

Ozzy to play his idol to save him and get rid of Angelina to break up the three, it doesn't even matter. Yeah, but I don't see Ozzy going against his whole original tribe. I just, I mean, it's, you may say it's the most obvious thing to break up that three,

but it's also the most obvious thing to keep that three and to act as a shield. That's right. And that's fair too. That's fair too. But I don't know. We talk about duos. We talked about duos. Oh, right.

Right. But it blows my mind. He didn't spill the beans on Aussie, though. Because that could have been a complete different dynamics on that. Again, he took this one decision path. Yeah. And once he made that decision, once he decided, he was putting all his eggs in one basket.

Yeah. It wasn't easy for him. Let's be honest. Right. I mean, he could have gone. the route of let's target the other original person from my tribe. He could have done that. He could have said, let's go down that path and put all his effort into that.

He didn't want to. He should have, but he didn't want to. He went into the let's get them all to target me because I will win in a tiebreaker. And for that, he needed Emily and Ozzy. So he couldn't try to get other people to put suss on them because then he would lose them. They were the only hope he believed he had. Turns out he never had that hope for multiple reasons. But they were the only hope he believed he had because of the original bad decision he made in the moment to stick with tribe loyalty.

Yeah. You know, and that was where all a lot of these decisions. they just came from. And because of that, I think it goes back to one reason he lost Emily. We mentioned it a little earlier was she saw how Q and the other woman were driving the conversation and just using her as a vote.

And again, Q told us this. He needed her for a vote or two. But he was clearly too transparent about that. And other aspects of things he was trying to do. and, you know, it led to Emily saying there's something particularly delicious about voting off Q just because I genuinely think he thinks he's pulling one over on us. And that's scheming and plotting too much. If you are so transparent in what you're doing that you're just using someone.

Yeah, that's another mistake there, as he would say, a big mistake. Yeah, throwing his name. Never do that, future survivors. I still agree, don't do that. But it didn't matter. They were doing it to them no matter what. But yes, you're right. In general, still a bad idea.

Yeah. It would have been, I mean, I want to flip it. Imagine that would have been a tie and that would have happened. I almost feel like I wish that would have happened. And then that would have been so epic to watch. Oh, God. If we could have seen Jeff being like, no, we've seen this before. You actually, you're, you still don't get to vote.

But, but, but Angelina does. And it would have been like, I mean, Q would have just cracked at that moment. Like what, what are you talking about? Cancel Christmas. Cancel the vote. Canceling Christmas. Cancel all the holidays. Yes.

All right. Well, we could move into the third rule. tells players to be flexible. So Heidi, we heard a lot about Q's plans from his interviews. And we've talked about a lot of them. What did you think? Was Q flexible? It's so interesting because I am going to surprise you with my answer, right?

I think by him throwing his name out, he was trying to be flexible, right? It backfire. I mean, we're already talked about that. But I truly think he was trying to be flexible with what he was given within the tribe and not having votes. So to me, that was not the rule he broke because truly like, why would you throw your name there? He was trying anything out there. So to me, this was not the rule that got him out. All right.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I'm disagreeing with a girl. I know. I know. I said I knew you were not going to like it. because he I mean we talked about this he didn't even consider that first decision of trying to get rid of the other woman in his tribe I get it I get it yeah I'm just trying to think here different because I truly think he tried something quite different than anybody else probably would have done and that is that is true to me trying to do the math yeah yeah I mean yes I guess I guess I guess you could say that is some flexible, if incorrect thinking,

but it was still part of that same tunnel vision that he had that eliminated, you know, eliminated the way he should have gone to begin with. Like, take that other fork in the road. Don't go in the tunnel. And so,

you know, plus he very clearly didn't want to work with Angelina. And I'll have. have some thoughts about that in the next rule. Now, it probably wouldn't have worked, but he could have at least tried to see if Angelina could get Christian and Mike on their side so they could target Ozzie or Emily. But again, it comes down to that original decision.

These are potential avenues he should have explored, but nope, he went into one particular side street and just kept going. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. all right well the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them and oh my god but hold on you got to tell me how you disagree are you can you still hear me yeah oh yeah yeah i want to hear more yes because i knew you both are going to disagree with me on that one i want to hear the other side i was trying to give you a different perspective right so just well and i do i do appreciate

I appreciate his idea of how to play the game differently, like for sure, that he's come up with this idea of, but wait, if we tie and he worked through all of the permutations, even though, as David said, incorrectly. Unfortunately, as I indicated, Survivor does come with a lot of rules. And that includes when there's ties, when there's rock draws, when there's all kinds of delicious extra little nuggets thrown in there. You have to understand what happens when those things happen. So I can appreciate his wanting to play the game differently. but I also feel like he really became like it was like one it was one path of one path only. I mean, he even said if I'm the only person who can target my number one. Like he even said he's like they're talking about voting out my number one.

I'm the only one I can do that, not other people. And he was so set in this idea that he even was willing to throw his own name in and be like, oh, well, vote for me. Because he thought that that was somehow going to work into his calculations that he had worked out previously about this vote. And so it's like he was trying to continue to convince himself that this was a good decision by adding to it. Like, oh, so we're talking about the numbers.

They're targeting Stephanie. I'm going to tell them to vote for me. And then I'm going to tell them to vote for me because that's going to work into my math equation that I've already worked out. And now I'm talking to Ozzie over here or it was Mike somebody. And he's like, I have an extra vote. You know, he just kept adding to. this thing he had already decided he wanted to do and in doing that just kept making it progressively

worse instead of going maybe this is not the right path because if I have to keep adding to my decision as to why we need to do this and I need to keep adding more ingredients to this recipe that I've come up with maybe it's not going to work the way that I wanted it to and perhaps I need to look at a different thing or a different target other than this plan that I've come up with and I've concocted. So I think that's really what, like I can appreciate the creativity, but when you start to realize that the plan is not coming together the way that you want, then you have to really start thinking about a different idea. Abort. Abort. Yeah, basically. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for sharing. It's interesting to hear the different perspective because

I think I'm coming with my opinion because I think the next one that's coming, David. I think that one, I have plenty to say. Okay. All right. Well, yeah, as I was saying, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. And as we discussed a little bit already, or at least I mentioned, he was so against Angelina.

He would not consider working with her for a moment. But if we look at the reasons why, they were based on emotion, not strategy. When he described her, he led off by, oh, she did the least around camp. Okay.

Is the camp stuff really so important that that was your primary reason? That's what you're leading off with. And, of course, he repeated in interviews, too, saying he did everything and she was one of two or three people who didn't do everything or anything or anything. It was clearly something he was holding on to emotionally, not because of logic or strategic value. and it's even made more particularly amusing when we consider what Liz told us last week about Q not working hard until she yelled at him to do so in Survivor 46.

Yeah, he's having flashbacks. He's like, I got yelled at for this, so why are other people doing this when I got yelled at for it? He has PTSD as well. Yeah. It's not just Charlie. So, yeah, I mean, you know, and then he... It's called bias.

Yes. Well, and then he told Dalton Ross that he just couldn't work with Angelina, quote, because I caught Angelina in so many lies, it was like disgusting. She was telling me, oh, I haven't talked to Mike White in like three years. And then when Mike White gets on the beach, I asked him, are you still cool with all these folks from your season? He was like, yeah, I talked to Angelina right before we came out here. And, okay, I get, nobody likes being lied to, okay? I understand that. But to call a lie and survivor, quote, disgusting, made him sound like Joe.

Yes, people lie. It made sense for her to try to hide that so it wouldn't make her a target right away. But again, calling it disgusting shows an emotional investment in this. and it was fogging up his thinking. And by the way, Angelina posted on threads, she didn't tell him that she hadn't talked to Mike in three years. She said that she told him, we are friends, yes, but he's been busy with the show for the past five years.

Now, it doesn't change a whole lot. It implies they haven't talked much recently, but it's certainly much vaguer than he made it out to be. Yeah. And the other thing is, I didn't like her. Yeah, the other thing is she should be a little angry at Mike, because if you're talking to him like every day

and you talk to him just before and get your story straight. Mike shouldn't come over there and be like, oh yeah, I just talked to him. But this is why Mike is so like adorable because he loves Survivor, but he's just being Mike White playing Survivor. Like he's not like coming up with these. I mean, he did come up with this idea about let's tell everybody we're voting at

Stephanie, but we're actually going to about at Q. But he is just so Mike, like the fact that he stood there in front of Stephanie and others and was like, So I'm just going to be honest to you. Like, I'm voting for you. Like, I'm voting for you. And just, but the way that he presented it was so just like, oh, Mike.

Like, you were just like, what are you doing? Like, you feel like he doesn't actually know how to play Survivor, but then you find out he does. And it's like this really incredible component that you kind of love the ignorance that he presents, but he's really, that's just part of the ploy that he's got going on, which I just, I find so so endearing it's great it's like how not to love mike because that was so good like seriously when he was saying that oh you know i'm going to vote for you i'm like what are you doing yeah and and to your point he said it's so cute that it didn't cross my mind like oh he's going to switch it around but then they gave you the other side you're like he's playing the game and i'm loving

that um so absolutely i'm so glad you brought that off because that That was one of my favorite moments of the whole episode. But talking about the emotions. And I'm going to be a little biased because I know Q on a personal level. I know him outside the game. So I know how he is and what he does in his real life. So I know he's one, very, very competitive. I've played basketball with him.

And I was trying to kind of like defend him. And he did, you know, most of the time. the guys take it easy on me because I'm a girl. And he did not take it on me. And I love that about him. But that also talks about how competitive he is. It's like, wait, why? You're like, I don't care.

So he pushed me just as hard as he wouldn't push anybody. And I appreciate for the record. I like it. That doesn't bother me one bit because that shows me who he is. And I love everything about that. So I know he's very competitive. So to your point, and he talked briefly about this, about how she doesn't do.

much in the challenges. I know that's burning his heart. That's his soul like crushing you know like we need to win these challenges so badly so we don't go to tribal council so I know for a fact number one is that's inside him

thinking that very hard. Yeah go ahead. Let's look at Q's challenge record because it ain't great. I know. I know. Q does not do well in the challenges either. So, you know, like that's something I saw other people saying.

And we'll get to it later, actually a bit more, I think. But just saying, oh, sure, they vote out the big strong guy. It's like it doesn't do any good to be big and strong if you can't do anything with it in the challenge. Yeah. Yeah. That's not his mind. Yeah. That's not his perception, right?

Because I agree and I understand it based on record on data. I don't think if I'm a strong athletic person that's very competitive, I bet you anything that he doesn't think that's why, right? So that is my, that was one. The second one, we talked briefly about that too, is the baggage of people saying that about him in his season where he didn't do much at camp, right? We've heard it before from many people in many podcasts and many interviews.

So I think that's probably playing in his mind. as well. So you kind of add those two together and he probably cannot separate that emotions from the game. So that's, I'm thinking that's the first thing why he's so gung-ho on Angelina, truly. But again, I'm biased from the things I know about him. So I truly think maybe that's additionally outside information. That's what's good. Yeah, I guess so. But yeah, but I was thinking like that's why I'm like he was trying to be flexible within what he was given but then his emotions are taking over from a lot of that so to me like flexibility was down here emotions were that up here so I mean that's probably high disperception but just kind of with a little bit of background of knowing him yeah yeah I mean if he could have put those things aside like he should have well then maybe he could have worked on switching the target to his other original tribe mate. But again, he just wouldn't do it. One he liked, one he found, quote, disgusting. You know, and it was all based on emotion. Yeah. And I agree. I think that he's, I do think that if your

decisions are, are beginning to be based on things that are detrimental to your own game, you really have to look at where the decision is coming from. Q said he, he came to win. But then when you're putting other people's games before your own, then that's not playing to win. That's playing a different type of game. And although there are times when loyalty can become part of a necessary component of your game in order to win, this was not one of those times.

And I do think this decision was based in an emotional place as opposed to, I want to win the game. Yeah. All right. Well, the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And I do think Q did a good job of calming himself down and being nicer of all compared to his first time. There was an element of people expecting the old Q to return, even in discussions of choosing to vote him out this time. And yeah, that's something I expected.

And it's something you just have to deal with in a returning player season. But those on his original tribe knew he wasn't playing that way. his newer tribe mates just really didn't have time to learn it. Right. Yeah. Okay. So we can quickly move to the sixth rule, which warns against being too much of a threat. And this is another situation where his reputation preceded him because Mike told us in a

confessional that Q is a dominating force. And if Mike were to wrong Q, it would come back to bite him. And I think in this case, that reputation. was well earned. I do think Q would probably even agree with it. And that made him a threat. I mean, just look at how focused he was on Angelina, who I guess we could say, quote unquote, wronged him by not working hard enough in his eyes. There was, this was a reason to get rid of him instead of the other woman on the tribe. Because if they got rid of her, Q would feel wronged and upset. Oh, interesting.

And they made it to the merge without another tribal council. He would almost certainly rejoin with his allies and focus that feeling on them. He would try to take it out on them. Or if there were a swap and one of those people ended up in the minority and he ended up back in the majority somehow. He holds on to that. You wrong him. He will find a way to cancel your Christmas. That's so fascinating because this is.

where like a returning player season can also work against you. I know he talked about it earlier, but everyone knew this about Q coming in. And everyone was very concerned about the chaos that he was going to bring and this type of response that he might have to being wronged. And then to see it being part of the decision that is being made because, well, we know that this is what Q does. And because we know this is what Q does,

we have to avoid that at all costs. where you didn't know that about Q the first time he played. Players learned it as they played the game with him and they began to understand the type of dynamic he brought to the game, but everyone came into this game knowing what Q was capable of and was very concerned about it at the beginning. So I think that that's a very interesting point to see what he would have done had they voted out who he deemed his ride or die, basically.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's so interesting, but I also agree that the reputation preceded him, right? Like there was no idea. And I mean, you said it and we heard it from Mike White in the confessionals, right? He's like, you know, if we wrongdo him, it's going to come back and bite him. So they wanted to get rid of him. But what Jessica said is it's very interesting to me.

I don't think, yeah, no more to add because I love what you both said about that. It's better than anything I could have said. I mean, the one thing is, and this goes back to if he would have taken the lead and immediately turned on his original tribe mate, then it wouldn't have been obvious that he would be upset. Right. But he made it obvious. And then he made it more obvious by saying vote for me instead of her. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. So he just piled on. and so it's like even if they had been considering voting for her, it's like, no, we can't because he'll try to turn around and come after us somehow. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, yeah.

Now, remind me of something. Do you remember how he went on the journey? Like, what did they, how did they decide on him? I don't remember. Let's wait until we get to the next rule, which is Rule 7, which covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. And of course, this impacted him right away when he decided to go on the fight for supplies and ended up losing a vote. So it wasn't forced.

As a matter of fact, because they had won the challenge, he asked, we saw this in some early interviews, he asked Jeff, since we won, can we choose third? you know, who gets to go on the on the fight for supplies. Yeah. And Jeff said, yes, that makes sense. You can choose less. So Hugh volunteered knowing full well who he would be up against. And I mean, what discussions were there? Well, we know he didn't object or at least he didn't object hard enough.

They didn't like have to go to rocks or anything like that. He put himself out there to do this. Right. I will say, this is not your typical journey. These days, if you go on a journey, you know you could lose your vote. I don't think anyone knew they could lose their vote

by going on the fight for supplies. I think they believe it was what was right there in the name, a fight for supplies. Yeah, with a little asterisk and really small writing and you lose your vote. Yeah. So I can't fault him too much on the, that part of choosing to go.

But it's been pretty well established. That's not a good idea to go on the fight for supplies because you lose key bonding time with your time. Yeah. I mean, how many times have we seen that in the new era? People go out and whether they get supplies or not, they're one of the first people to get voted out of their tribe because they weren't there when everyone else was. and I say in the new area, the later part of the new era where this part, you know,

where sweat versus savvy, you know, evolved into this. And in this case, it became worse because Q lost his vote on top of everything else. Now, in his case, did he lose key bonding time or did it affect him? No, he was part of that majority alliance. It still worked out that way. But he couldn't have known that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I do think that it's interesting for him to knowing how you said Q's very competitive, Heidi. And so if he's, if he has this competitive mindset, he maybe he's putting that before the time that's really needed to be with your tribe at the very beginning, right? Like I want to win and I want to bring this back and prove myself that my tribe is lovely. But you are missing out on those key bonding moments right at the beginning. So, but I also do want to mention, you know, just the, this, him losing his vote and not, and Heidi, this is something you talked about where he didn't really like fight hard enough. But he talked about this in his exit press and how he knew that he needed to go back with something in his hand. And so in his, in his mind, he was like, well, if I, if I don't go back with anything, well, then I'm going to be in a really bad place.

I have to go back with something. So at least I'm going to go back with supplies as opposed to nothing. And I won't necessarily tell them I lost my vote. But I just feel like this losing the vote stuff really, I've already talked about it a lot and how I don't like it. I think it's a really terrible thing to do to players considering how necessity like, you know, necessary your vote actually is. And then at the beginning like that, I mean, like you said, David, it was a fight for supplies, not a journey where you could lose your vote, which everyone kind of at this point understands that. that could happen. But fight for supplies,

that was a little. That was not something that the fans voted in, by the way. That was not us. I just want everybody to understand that. We didn't do that. Yeah.

I know that we moved. I know that we moved on from the rule number six. Don't be too much to the seventh. I think we talk about the advantages. But I'm going to take us back real quick on six, which is why I asked there. Because now that you refresh my memory on how he went

on the journey, I think it was like doing too much too quickly, which is why he ended up losing his vote and then he has to deal with the advantage situation. But it was a good combination between you're being too much, but like, oh, you know, how do we decide we do this or do we do that and essentially volunteering to get there? To me, that's been too much. And then knowing, to Jessica's point, knowing you're very likely to be risking your vote or something. We know that. that whoever doesn't get it usually gets something that's negative. It happens pretty much every year now in the new era, right? So I think it was a good combination of doing too much,

which made you lose your vote, and then you have to figure out how to deal with the lack of that vote. That really is what kind of that combination of both of those things is what ended up sending you home, because unfortunately you had that swap and your vote was super important. clearly we can see by the numbers, right? The whole tie and gold,

everything we've said in this episode, I really think the combination of those two is potentially what's sending home. Yeah, I mean, like you said, the lost vote was something of a main point of contention for his whole game. He had to plan his alliance around it. They talked about throwing a challenge because of it.

Yeah. I mean, like, when I say he had to plan his alliance around it, I mean, even in the original tribe, like when they lost Kyle, they had to bring in Rizzo to maintain the numbers. That's not necessarily the way you want to work at Alliance. Like, oh, we need the numbers.

We need to find someone else. Because I lost my damn vote. Right. Shouldn't have lost in the first place. Yeah. Yeah. You know, now, neither of those situations actually ended up coming into play. But when he got to the swap tribe, he was in an alliance of two with only one vote

between them. Yeah. And so however difficult his situation already was, it was twice as bad when he didn't even have his own vote. You know, he couldn't go to someone and say, I will vote with you. Because he knew he didn't have one to vote with. Mm-hmm. Not great.

So, not great. Eventually, as you two have both mentioned, Q told Mike he had an extra vote. And I think he was trying to spook Mike into telling others and maybe make them think he should, you know, they should vote with him because they didn't have the numbers anymore. Yeah. We didn't see anyone panicking. Probably because, as you two have both said and Q himself pointed out in his interview with Rob, Ozzie was there and probably told them it was the opposite.

He lost his vote. So he really was, again, banking on the idea that Ozzy was with him and kept that secret on top of it. Would have been nice if Ozzy did do that, that we would have seen that because I would have loved to give him some credit. I wonder I mean we talk a lot in Survivor I feel like maybe he said it and we just didn't see it

yeah oh I'm sure he did because if he had told them that it would have made it even I mean by by the time this tribe lost the challenge it was clear who was going to me there was not any tension building up there if they had showed us a scene of Ozzie saying oh by the way he doesn't even have a vote

you know that that would have blown it completely in terms of, you know, yeah, yeah. I'm curious, I'm sorry, but I'm curious if that didn't also cause Ozzy to take the path that he did too, because in Ozzy's mind, he's like, well,

this guy doesn't even have a vote. So like, how is he figuring out these numbers? You know, so maybe Ozzie really was like, well, we really can't go with him because he doesn't have the numbers. He doesn't have a vote.

So maybe they were doing the math too and we just didn't see that. Well, more likely financial analyst Emily Flippin did the math. Well, and now they're going to be in a pickle because they're going to be three against three. So it's exciting. What's coming is exciting. But anyway, I don't think it's going to be three against three. I mean, we'll talk about it in the predictions, but I think it's going to be five against one. But yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, we'll see in the predictions. Well, we'll see what you say this. So Appendix A discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. We talk about voting out the weak, then the strong, then the weak than the strong. With it still being early, voting out the weakest link makes the most sense. But as we have been discussing for the first two weeks, being weak, different spelling,

is often not about challenges, but rather alliances. And this is where Q himself even discussed it. In his interview with Mike Bloom, the problem, was, Q was complaining about it, not recognizing it. He said, this is what I don't like about what account of where the game is going. It's no longer now about, hey, we have to win challenges to last and survive. And typically your bigger guys or your puzzle people, they're safe. This early in the game nowadays, they don't care about it.

They just care about getting an alliance and going to tribal. If they win, perfect. If they lose, it doesn't matter because they're safe, which is fine. that's the way the game is played now and it's always been that way I feel in at least seven, eight seasons but it's now just more obvious like dude what you bring to the tribe

really doesn't matter really doesn't matter if you work around camp really doesn't matter if you're good in challenges or a puzzle person if you don't have those relationships and that alliances you're gone you're done and I'm reading this and I'm going

yes Q everything you said is correct I don't know why you're complaining about it. You are recognizing it now, but you're acting like this is a bad thing. No, this is the way it is. And again, this is why I might add this quote to Appendix A in the future to be like,

Q summed it up. Look, it's perfect. But he needed to understand it and work with it, not complain about it. Yeah. Yet we already discussed how annoyed he was with people who didn't work enough at camp for his liking and use that as a leading reason to target them. Well, if you already know, most people don't view that as a good reason, why do it?

You know, I mean, we've already given me. Maybe that's what he learned after the fact. I get, well, he said it's been the last seven or eight seasons, so we should have learned it before the fact. I don't disagree, but maybe it just came to his mind. I mean, yeah, well, we know it was mostly emotional and, you know, that overrode the logic of him knowing it didn't matter. But it's just so weird to see him complaining about it. When this is something we have talked about for years and years and years, I mean, I in

particular, you know, seven or eight seasons at least. Yeah. I mean, so, so it's like, don't complain about the way the game is. You're budding your head up against a wall. Play the game that way if you recognize. Yeah. Well, and that's, that's the thing that, I mean, as much as we want to. stand here or sit here as we're sitting

and complain or kvetch if you will about some of the things that have been introduced to the game and how the game is now played. You do have to play the game that you are being given to play. And so you do have to adjust and make those adjustments

and as much as I might despise certain things that they've added to the game. If that's what now exists and that's the game you're playing and that's what you just have to deal with and understand and recognize that no matter how much you want to fight against it or complain, it will have no effect when you're out on the island other than getting you voted off

because people just don't want to hear it. They're just going to be like, whatever, you can go because this is the game we have to play. It's just kind of like Joe being frustrated that, you know, the loyalty and honesty and integrity isn't going to win the game for him. Sorry, Joe, this is not the game you signed up for to play. And so it's just more of the same. We're like, this is the game and this is how it exists and this is how you have to play it. If you don't like it, sorry, that's Survivor.

It's a game for a million dollars and this is what it is. Yeah. In fact, that's what Survivor is. Like, completely, anything could happen. I mean, look at Kyle, right? None of us saw a coming. I'm sure he didn't see a comment. I heard that he even, he tried multiple times.

So for him to try even multiple times to go up and then the last time, you know, he got hurt, you really don't know what's going to happen and you are complex. city of the environment, no food and all of that. It's really very unpredictable. Plus, you add the twists that whether you hate them or love them, that's part of the game. Anything could happen. Billy Eilish or not. Anything could happen.

Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, it's even worse for that. He's fighting against the core principle of the game since season one. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I mean, some things have changed.

Yes. It used to be that you wanted to get, you know, that, you know, I'll agree with him. It used to be, yes, you want to keep your strong challenge performers all the way until you can get rid of them. But that has changed. People have recognized how that has changed. That as long as you have an alliance, it really doesn't matter that you go to try. You know, they giggle about it over on the side. Yeah.

Look at how hard that person's working. Yeah. Right. Right. You know, now. Oh. Now, of course, Ozzy was considering the specific challenge-related aspects of this appendix because, well, he's Ozzy. And he worried about taking out Q as, quote, one of the strongest members of our tribe.

But like I said earlier, he doesn't really do well at challenges. He looks strong, but that doesn't carry over to actual wins. And Ozzy also said the tribe would be stronger without Angelina. plus she was part of the David versus Goliath triumvirth. But obviously those arguments were not going to win the day, especially when you're having those arguments with other members of the triumvirate. And Jeff Probes opened the tribal council pointing out that Aussie hasn't won yet. And I think it's a great reminder for everyone.

Like you can be the strongest or have a great reputation for being great at chat. challenges and he hasn't won yet. I thought I thought that was quite interesting for you know, Jeff to point it out and it was it really brings you to the reality of the game. It doesn't sometimes matter. He did he was his tribe did win the reward challenge I think. Win or come in second didn't they? Yeah, I feel like they got something.

I thought that was that that was incorrect, but I could be misremembering. Yeah, but yes. when it came to the important things. We're going to have to do. Yeah. He came to the important. You need to look at up. Someone will comment about it.

Yeah. He's got. He's in all the tribal councils, though. So the ones that truly matter, I guess. Right. Yes. All right. Well, it is time to wrap things up for Q.

So Heidi, what are your final thoughts on him? Okay. So Q, I think. I love Q. He brings something very different. I didn't like that he came across a little bit like he wanted to quit in the previous season, which to me bother me.

I saw a different cue. I actually saw some him trying to really play within the strategy of the game, despite everything else we said in this episode. I still think the essence of him being the scramble and all of that. He gave it to me. I'm really sad to see him going home. early. I do think the swap had an impact on him. We all know that you have to work around the,

you know, the situations of the games and the rules of the game. Unfortunately, he couldn't, you know, overcome that. There were a lot of emotions. I still think that he brought to the game. And yeah, as a friend, Q, I'm sad that you're gone so early, but it was still super fun to watch. I kept a clean and nice. Yes. Yeah, we're going to. Jessica. Oh, you're fine.

No, I love it. I think it's interesting that he started out in his pregame, emphasizing that this season, I want to elevate other folks' game. I want to be their support and be positive. Show them that they can count on me. And hopefully they just forget this guy can cause a volcano erupt right here on this island if he chooses. And I think that's so telling of the baggage. Heidi was using this term, and I think it's great.

that people come into this game when you're doing a returning season. He came in with a lot of baggage that he knew he was coming in with. And I think this is why we saw such a different side of cue, where he was willing to play that loyalty to a fault, where he was willing to, that's my ride or die. And I'm going to tell you to put my name down instead of her name in order to work out this crazy permutation I've done with the votes and tie and re-vote.

and because he wanted to show that he could be loyal and he could not be crazy and unpredictable and a volcano that will erupt. But it really worked against him because what did Mike White do? Mike White was like, oh, ho, this guy, we know. We know that he can cause chaos and he can cause problems. And we don't know what he's going to do in response to us working against him. And so unfortunately, I think Hugh came in trying to correct the wrongs that exist. from his previous season, but he overcorrected by trying to be too loyal and not just play the game that has been provided to him where it's scheme and plot and work with what you provided

and work with who you're provided. And if your ride or die becomes the other option, well, then guess what? That should be the option for you as opposed to you putting your neck on the line for that person. I do think that he was fighting against a swap, yes, but did he have options? He did. And he didn't look at the other options because he became too focused on this idea of how he could get there through a convoluted way that would still allow him to say, look at how loyal I was to my number one. And look at the game I'm willing to play.

It doesn't have to be chaotic. It doesn't have to be crazy. But it can be calculated and it can be different than what I was before. I didn't clean up camp last time, but I'm going to do it this time. And I'm going to call on everybody who doesn't do it this time and doesn't help because he's a different. Q. At least he wanted to be. But unfortunately, he couldn't be because he's still Q that everybody knows and everybody saw play that first time he played. And that's why he got asked to play again. Was because he was Q and they knew he would be chaotic. And unfortunately, you can't fight against

yourself when you're playing Survivor. Some of you can put away, but you can't put all of you away. And you can't put away the memories that people have of you when they've watched you play this game. So Q, you were entertaining for sure. Great to see you. And I would you all the best. And I know that someone has said they want to see you play like five times. That means Survivor's going to go on forever. So I'm just putting it out there like, I'm getting tired. But it's okay. We can watch Q three more times that that makes five. I don't know. But it'll be a lot. That means it's never ending. It's just never ending. So there we are. Those are my thoughts on Q.

Yes. Well, I agree with both of you and what Q said in his interviews that he was put in a bad position by the swap, not just in the minority, but with a majority that for various out-of-the-game reasons was extremely unlikely to split. Indeed, I predicted as much last week when I was talking about what would happen if this group went to tribal council. I said, Mike has nobody else from Calo, so you know he'll want to jump in with Christian and Angelina right away. And Angelina was on the outs in Vatu, so she will as well. That's a solid four right there. I'm going to say that even though Emily has wanted to get Ozzy out, they can all see the value in having him as a number, which would put them at five and just leave Q and the other woman from Vatu. So everything that I predicted happened, essentially, other than I didn't think that Batu would lose the challenge.

But Q also put himself into a worse position. first by telling Emily right away how he was targeting Angelina, and then more importantly, by refusing to even consider turning on the other woman from his original tribe. Like I just said, I was able to see it coming a week ahead of time. I don't think that took any special powers on my part. I'm sure many other people said similar things. As I mentioned earlier, he even told Mike Bloom, who else are they going to vote for? It's either me or that other woman.

if you know that and your cue you have to put aside your loyalty and your worries about the future and whatever else is holding you back you must turn against that other person and do everything in your power to ensure they are voted out instead of yourself but cue just didn't he instead relied on a plan that required Emily and Ozzy to flip on their former original tri-mate Christian, even putting aside all the outside-the-game relationships. And on top of that, it was a faulty plan anyway because he forgot how tie votes were. Now, can I say for sure he would have succeeded in changing the vote to that other potential target?

No. But the only way to find out would have been for him to actually, you know, try? I could certainly see a situation where it would have worked because it would have made things easier, especially if he had kept his lips zipped about his feelings toward Angelina and instead said the other woman was the one who wanted her gone. But then again, he didn't even consider this as an option. He was put in a difficult situation by the random draw for the swap. And he made it an impossible situation through his own decisions.

And that is why Q lost. So there we are. Yes. Well, before we get to our predictions for next episode, I want to mention next week we will have another returning guest as Chappelle joins us. So that will undoubtedly. Oh, yes. Yes.

And also we want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form. and poster on a t-shirt form and checklist on a t-shirt form. And again, you can get all of that by going to rob has a website.com slash y-X lost feed. Now, Heidi, if people want to reach out to you, I know you have it on the screen, but especially for the audio listeners, where can people find you?

Yeah, so at Heidi Lagares, that's my, address for Instagram and TikTok, and you will find me for that as well, for that name on their Facebook. I think I mentioned earlier, I have the new page, it's called Rome Wild Family, so that one is a bit more about

all the crazy adventures that I do with my family and my friends. So if you want to kind of, you know, get some tips for where to go, what to do, and what crazy stuff we do, just follow that as well, and you'll get to see some of that.

Yeah, I'm always open to collaborate, so send me a message. And yeah, that's a little bit about me. Excellent. I am at Jessica Lewis, 89 on Blue Sky and Twitter, and I'm at Jessica Lewis, 6-7-8-9 on Instagram. I post much less than I used to when I got into social media. But that doesn't mean I don't often steal content from one David Bloomberg, because he likes to do so many things like stories on Instagram that I just really repost what he does because most of the time they're about me

because I do this podcast with a David Bloomberg who is a social media guru. So you should definitely check out all of the places that you can find David Bloomberg. He has so many options. He has created a Link Tree that lists out all of those locations. So David Bloomberg, take it away. Yes, you can find all of my various accounts

at Link Tree slash David Bloomberg. You could find me directly on Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg. and you could find me on the video sites, YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV. I have been continuing to post two or three reality TV short videos each day. And right now, because of the phase we're in, almost all about Survivor 50. Occasionally, I'll drop something else in there,

but almost all about Survivor 50, maybe once a while about Australian Survivor, because that's going on at the same time. and yeah so again you can follow me at any of those locations also you can well no not also because we have predictions now I was like oh good are we just going to skip that no we are not going to just skip that so so bad let's the preview did not give us much

other than that there's a visit from Zach Brown. Now, I don't really know much of anything about him other than that he's a singer and I guess a survivor fan. But I expect his actual impact to the game to be minimal. But with that said, I did see, let's see, did I save it somewhere? Oh, I did not. I can't find out where it is. There was a press release. and apparently the reward is going to involve

like spending the afternoon with Zach Brown at your camp. I apologize right now. I don't know who he is. So I feel like if I was out there, I would be like, oh, who? I'm just terrible. I'm so sorry. How much of a reward is?

I mean, I imagine there's food along with it. You know, a good food reward. I would be very excited about the food. You know, but it's not like where they used to have people come in and teach them how to live off the land. I don't think Zach Brown is going to teach you how to live off the land. No, no, I don't think so. But he had a guitar, right?

So he's probably going to start singing of some sort. And like, you know, it takes you the mind a little bit out of the game, which is probably a bad thing, to be honest with you. But yeah, that's what I'm thinking is going to happen as well. So, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that'll be whatever it is. But other than that in the preview,

We got some goofiness that didn't tell us a thing like Charlie, very convincingly fake punching Jonathan. So we're left with basically just trying to guess based on what we saw this week. It would not surprise me if Vatu loses again. And then you will say a happy goodbye to the person that I have been saying you should have tried to flip the target onto. After all, she's known for being in tribes to lose challenge after challenge after challenge. Let's face it. Now, the other possibility is that Taylor loses, as I predicted last week. And then we would have the situation, I mentioned last week, of them trying to target Aubrey, but someone getting idled out.

Now, the difference is that Q said in his interviews that despite not finding anything in their bag search, they were all fairly certain she had an idol. So would Genevieve risk that? maybe if they believe they can blindside her or split the vote. It seems like they at least have Genevieve, Colby, and Joe to be on board with that. And then maybe they could pull over coach and even possibly Chrissy. Tiffany seemed to make it very clear she was on Aubrey's side. But that's not going to cut it unless Tiffany has some other pull. if they could bring over one other person like Chrissy,

it wouldn't mess up a vote split and allow them to... Are you kidding me? No, stop it. Chrissy is with, she's with coach and Colby and Joe. That's it. That's what she's doing. You think so?

You don't think even after going off and talking to the women about how but Genevieve is also with coach and Joe. Yeah. So, I mean, she's, yeah, I think it's really down to just Aubrey. and Tiffany who are kind of like on their own little island right now.

I mean, if that's true, they can, they can pull it off. And so if I went with last week's prediction, you know, and they, well, then it would probably be Tiffany quite honestly, you know, that, that, you know, because they would want to try to split the vote. You know, the other option is that they don't bother and it would be Genevieve. But this week, I am not going to go with that. I'm going to learn my lesson from last week. and go back to Vatu losing again.

So I am therefore going to predict the Q's ally from his original tribe goes. Interesting. I really like the Kalo idea here where we're going to see something happen with the split. I just feel like that would be interesting. So I'm going to say just for shits and giggles, Tiffany, based upon that. that would wreck a lot of people's winner picks I know it would I know it would

so I really thought okay I'm switching on the spot here like doing an audible I was gonna go with Tiffany with similar reasoning behind it right that it was going to be Calo and that you know they make it look like it's Genevieve

against Aubrey and then you know we have the idols I was going to say you know it was going to be Tiffany and she it was going to be a blind side but almost like by default she was going to go home not intentional. So I'm not going to say it because I think we sort of alluded to that. So I'm going to go a different direction, okay, which I think SILA, SILA, how do you call it?

I don't know. SILA. SILA is I know there are a strong tribe that we think they're not going to lose, right? But I think I'm going to go on a whim and pick SILA to be the losing tribe. And I know that we saw the whole dynamics with Jonathan and Dee saying, we're going to get Siri out, right? And I truly think that Siri is potentially on the fitness stuff, right? When it's something that has to be fast, you would think that she would go home.

That's what we thought early in this game too. And she didn't go. So I'm going to go on a whim and say she will get the out. She will somehow play series magic and get the. out, D is a winner. So if that tribe goes, loses, my vote goes to the winner to go home. So I

think D is the one that's going to go out. Okay. Wow. That's my prediction. We not only have three different people picked, but we have three different tribes. Yeah. It's fascinating. I like this, I like this idea about D though, because Surrey does have

magic. She is, she is definitely a magical human being. And if you say her name, you home. It comes back. We did see that. We did see that. Mm-hmm.

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We always love having you come and join us. It's so great to hear different insights and a little backstory on Q that we did not know for. So that's always lovely. So thank you for bringing that information to us. And thank you for joining us. This is great. Thank you for having me. I really thought for a moment, I thought, oh, we're going to be super quick.

We're going to be done in under an hour. And then we always have so much to discuss, right? So I love it. Thank you for having me. So I forgot to ask you. Did you dunk on Q? Is that what happened? You went up there and you dunked on him when he pushed you?

Not quite, not quite. But I was defending him and I stood my ground against him. Nice. Good. All right. Well, thank you again. Yes, thank you, Heidi, for joining us. Thank you, Jessica, as, you know, for every week.

And we will see everyone in a week when, as I mentioned, we will have Chappelle on. Until then, like I said, you can find us on social media. Until then. Bye. Bye. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything. Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared.

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