RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 4 w/ Chappell

Episode Date: March 21, 2026

Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 4 w/ Chappell Mike White thought he was in a perfect position. All of his friends from outside the game were on his swap tribe! And yet this is how things ended up. Where did Mike go against his own pregame advice? How did he trigger someone else’s pregame plans? What does he think led to his game demise, and is he right? Chappell joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to answer all these questions, as well as talking about trauma and sexy moves! At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Mike Lost. David Bloomberg, Jessica Lewis, and Chappell dive deep into the drama, strategy, and trauma shaping this landmark season. This episode unpacks a shocking blindside, the fallout from a swap tribe full of real-life friends, and a reward challenge that turned into a Zac Brown concert, sparking debate across the Survivor fandom. The hosts break down the game-changing moments from Survivor 50 as Mike White finds himself at the center of a classic Survivor dilemma: protect your closest ally, Angelina, or keep your own torch burning. David Bloomberg revisits the importance of sticking to the rules, referencing his own 25-year history analyzing Survivor gameplay. Jessica Lewis shares what it’s like being left out of the “Let’s Go to Rocks” card game despite her own rock-draw legacy, while Chappell questions production’s choice to give a country music star more confessionals than actual players. With tribal lines blurred by friendships outside the game, Survivor 50’s strategy turns personal and unpredictable as players like Christian and Emily weigh loyalty against million-dollar stakes. – Mike White’s strategic misfire: targeting Emily instead of the easy vote and revealing his puppet master game to Christian – The emotional and social fallout of Survivor friendships influencing the swap tribe dynamics – Chappell’s take on the Zac Brown reward segment, highlighting the tension between spectacle and player screen time – Jessica Lewis’s insider perspective on how production edits impact player stories, especially when confessionals are scarce – David Bloomberg’s analysis of “sexy” versus “easy” moves heading into the pre-merge, and the role of trauma in vote decisions The hosts tease whether Angelina’s ship will finally sink next Tribal Council and what’s next for Ozzy, Emily, and Christian as old wounds shape new alliances. Is playing with your real-life friends truly an advantage, or does it backfire when the end goal is outlasting, outplaying, and outwitting for a million dollars? 0:00 No Singing, Survivor Card Game 6:32 Zac Brown Segment Sparks Frustration 17:20 Jessica Chooses Food Over Zac Brown 23:38 Ozzy’s Fishing Over Strategic Planning 32:37 Mike White Manipulates Christian 43:35 Christian Targets Mike, Not Ozzy 54:00 Emotional Decisions Sink Mike White 1:07:09 Christian’s Long-Brewing Revenge 1:32:27 Final Thoughts: Mike’s Narrative Power 1:48:09 Predictions: Double Tribal Approaches Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serve To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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You're playing yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank Lost. This is Y Blank Lost. This is Y Blank Lost. Welcome back to the 10th anniversary year of Y Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg and I promise you there will be no singing in the middle of this podcast. Damn it. I thought for sure we were doing that.

Wasn't that going to be half of the episode? No, no, no, no. With me, of course, is my co-host, whose voice you just heard, Jessica Lewis, who I know immediately ran out to buy the new Survivor card game. Let's go to Rocks. Okay.

Advertis them. Yeah, and guess who's not in that game? Yeah. Me. Like, what? And the only reason I know that is because when the commercial came on or when the advertisement, whatever it was. My daughter happened to me sit in there.

And I was like, wait, what? She's like, yeah, mom, you're not in it. I looked. I'm sorry. And I was like, what? So that's what she's telling me. But it would seem odd that I'm not in the Let's Go to Rocks game from Survivor. I don't know.

There's only three of us that ever been rocked out. Maybe we should get a mention. But that's okay. I am in his book. I'm in his book twice. I will say that. Okay. I will,

a little, you know, thank you for that at least. I've been acknowledged in that regard. I don't think I'm in his book. And I don't know about our special returning guest who I presume also in addition to answering our question about the book in a moment here, I presume he brought us some fish that he speared himself to share with us on the podcast. It's Chappelle. Yeah, I'm just a really big fan who really, really wanted to be here.

And I've been trying to get here. And people were like, you should get on that show. And I was like, I can't. I can't do that. So I'm just going to show up and make this whole entire episode about me. I got 28 minutes to just make this about me. Let's do it. What a great plan.

It's like I've never seen anyone do that before. It's so crazy. It's brand new. I have so many questions about that, but I don't want to derail this before we get started. I'm thank y'all for having me. Well, in fact, people should know, yeah, you have been on before, unlike another guy.

Yes. So I also want to mention, I don't know how I have, been forgetting to add this when I introduced the podcast. But in addition to it being our 10th anniversary year of the podcast, it is also the 25th anniversary of Y Blank Lost overall, which

I began as a column on my website for Survivor, the Australian Outback. So I keep forgetting that part. Look at you. You know a little bit about Survivor. Right, exactly. I've met Jessica Lewis, so I

kind of know more than you. Sorry. Yeah. You know, I'm also like, I mean, I've met Jeff. You've met Jeff. So, David, I'm sorry. You might be the least qualified person on the far. Man. But I think you're not enough.

Don't I gain that, you know, you did me. Again, this episode is all about me. Okay. We're about to make this about me. And then we'll spend 15 minutes at the end and maybe, you know, at the beginning talking about everything else. Okay. It's all about Chappelle.

That's it. Yes. It's all about Chappelle. Yeah. Well, going into this episode. episode before we talk about Chappelle, I thought for sure it had to be one particular person going on, the one I predicted last week. And the sneak peek from the first few minutes of the episode even seemed to confirm it for me. I never even had the slightest thought. It could be

Mike White. It was a true blind side, not just to Mike, but to all of us when that happened. Yeah, I think it was. And it was sad because he was very entertaining, very entertaining. much more entertaining than someone else who took up like a half hour. I mean, you know, that's debatable depending on, you know, which international fan of country music you ask. But I, you know,

I have thoughts about that boot and Mike White. You know, I was shocked to that it was Mike White. But I wasn't shocked that it wasn't that woman that David is alluding to. Let me talk to you, Jessica, okay? Because I know David want to opt out of this conversation. Sure.

So just on the number. right. It's a six person tribe. You got Mike Angelina and Christian, the David versus Goliath Alliance. And then you got the other people who are not a part of that alliance, right? Emily, Ozzy and Stephanie. I didn't think there was any reason why Emily or Ozzy would be motivated to vote

out Stephanie. Why would you want to give the David versus Goliath people I already just think of like appendix we haven't even started. David, please. I'm just talking to Jessica about that lady you don't want to talk about. So for me Jessica, to me it just felt like, I felt like just coming in based off of that, unless you were just going to fold your

position and immediately give up the numbers, like whatever little numbers that you have, there was no way she was going here. That's how I felt. Well, and I don't disagree with that, but I do think that there was a focus on a different one of the David versus Goliath, and that was Angelina. Like, Ozzy was all about that. Like, yeah, I think Ozzy wanted to keep the numbers, but he also wanted to keep Mike White and he did want to get rid of one of the David versus Goliath, just a different one. So I, completely understand that, of course, it's to Emily's benefit to do whatever she needs to do in order to keep Christian happy because she's working with Christian. And also she wants to keep Ozzy happy. And so all of that makes perfect sense as far as the numbers are concerned for them.

And when you're the odd man out, which it seems like Stephanie is the low man on the totem pole, really, that like where else is she going to go? Sure, anybody but me, right? So I can see that being the reason. I agree. I agree. have thoughts that will at least oppose Chappelle. Listen, isn't this about Shepal right now? It's about me. We'll save that other talk for Appendants A.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. He can change up the order if he wants. This is his segment. If I start singing or rap, it just boot me off the episode, David. You know how to do it. I do, but you know how to get back on.

So that won't help. I do. I'm not going anywhere, baby. All right. Well, Sam Phelan was on the recap after the episode with Rob and wisely said that most people who leave Survivor has an idea, have an idea of why they lost, and it's usually wrong. I completely agree. It's something we say here all the time. And as a matter of fact, that's why we're here.

So to figure it out from Mike, we will address it the same way we always do, even for a big star, by comparing how he played the game to a set of guiding rules for winning. I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. We use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes. The newest published version of the rules can be found at RobHus website.com slash YX lost feed

where you can click on the link bubble for the survivor rules. But I have been adding notes to it. I added one, I mean, not the online version. Sorry, just my own personal notes. Those are harder to come by. But in the future, they will be out there. but I added last week.

I added something this week. So, you know, it'll, it just keeps growing. It does. It's 48 pages at this point, at least. Hey, and you have no idea how much I cut it down from the original version when I transferred it from the web to here. It's a great read. It's a great read.

But it's, it's, there's a, there's a shorter version. Right. We're going to talk about that too. Yeah. Yeah. Now, as always, we do have a few other things we want to discuss before we address how my did in terms of the rules. And I did want to ask you, Chappelle, those of us who listened to last week's club condo, which should obviously be everyone, we know how you felt about Jeff

rapping. How does that compare to your feelings about so much Zach Brown this week? Ooh, that's tough because I hated Jeff. I hated Jeff rapping. Like I said, I said it was a microaggression. I stand on that. I don't. I don't. don't understand why this happened with Zach Brown, I don't get it. The idea that we have these hour and a half episodes, I remember way back

when they told us we were getting these, I said, I don't trust it. I said, all we're going to do is just make the challenges longer and it's going to piss me off because there's going to be people getting no confessionals and we're going to spend so much time on things that don't matter. And there have been times where I've been right now, there's been times where I've been wrong, but this time I'm firmly

on the, I was on the right side of history. We did not need to extend these episodes, especially if we're going to do something like this. Zach Brown was basically the subject of the show from 11 minutes and 29 seconds into the episode until 40 minutes and four seconds in the episode. That's including the challenge, you know, that gets to Zach Brown, but it's all in the little Zach Brown package, right? From the moment he shows up, literally 29 minutes of our hour and a half show. And it just, it's frustrating because we got these big characters back. They're brought here because they're characters. There's really no other through line to tie all these people together.

They're not like they're not all returnees. I mean, you know, like five-time returnees. They're not all winners. They're all big characters. How we walk away from this episode without getting a seri confessional, but we got 29 minutes of Zach Brown. That stuff will never make sense to me. So although I hated Jeff rapping, I ain't eat this either.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and by the way, in case you didn't get enough Zach Brown, the bonus secret scene on YouTube, more. Is Zach Brown? If you haven't had enough, there's more. So I have a question specifically about Zach Brown's participation in this. Y'all, y'all might come with me on a journey?

Sure. It is. It is. Okay. Remember? It is. It is. So I came here with visual aids as well.

Get into this. I have found this article. And I don't know if y'all remember this. But Jeff Probst hinted a celebrity player. applying for Survivor way back in November of 2024. He said it was a big international star. And I have to wonder, was he talking about Zach Brown this whole time? Is this who this was about?

Interesting. Look at you digging up the dirt here. It says we have someone applying for 49 who's very accomplished and known around the world. And I believe he referred to Zach Brown as an international star or something like that. And so, yeah, you know, this article obviously. talks about how he's not the first celebrity to want to play Survivor and all his other stuff. But yeah, I had completely forgotten about that. And then one of my friends said to me like, hey, was this who they were talking about?

And I kind of have to think that it is, you know, we haven't heard about anybody else who's been, who's popped up on the show and gotten so much screen time. Do you think this could be just a way of them pacifying him because they won't let them play? Well, they let him go spearfishing, but with a very fancy spear. Like, not what Ozzy had to go in the water with. Right. We got some cool shots, you know, but it doesn't, this feels like Zach Brown's kind of like a make a wish kid for Survivor.

Some of the players thought that it was make a wish. Yes. You saw the looks on their faces. She about teared up. Yeah. Yeah. And then meanwhile, Devin's thought it was Sia. And, you know, which, where is Sia?

You know, that's the real question here. I can't see you. You know, she stops donating and all of a sudden she's persona non grata. Come on. Apparently. So, so. Yeah, and they advertised Zach's wine and apparently his speaker brand. And I don't know.

Yeah, it was a big advertising. A tour coming out. I don't know. Now, I will say I posted a video related to this. And I had a lot of people say, well, I liked it. It was something different. Stop complaining. Everybody needs to stop complaining.

Now, mostly those things were on Facebook. So, you know. But yeah, look, if you like Zach Brown, if you're a fan of Zach Brown, fine. Normally I will argue with people when they try to contradict me in these. It's an opinion, okay? There's literally nothing to argue about there. If you like Zach Brown, you like that segment. And I did see something saying the ratings for this episode were highest so far this season.

No, they were the lowest. No, no, no, no. IMDB. Oh, yeah. We're the lowest ever. The actual television ratings were the highest. Because the season has been good thus far. So people are watching.

And then people are like, now I'm watching the Zach Brown show. And I will say as someone who actually was out there and part of a season, there's a lot to be said about when you do actually see the episode. Because you know what happened when you're out there, right? And you know what they are showing, what they aren't showing. And it can be very frustrating as a player when you're like, well, why didn't they show that that one conversation? They didn't show this thing that happened over there.

And this was really neat. And they didn't show that. And so I really feel like you're doing a disservice to the players because this show is really about the players. It's not about the spectacle that you can make when you bring a Zach Brown and it turned into a personal concert and a sale for wine. Like this is not what it should be. It should be about the players. And so I just feel like it's it's really treating them poorly. when you take away so much time,

like you said, like the lack of professionals. He had four confessionals, for God's sake. Yes. And there were players who didn't get a confessional. And there are players who only had like four all season. No, no, Tiffany has only had two all season.

This was the topic of my video. Exactly. Oh, wow. She's had two all season. Zach Brown had double the confessionals in one episode as Tiffany has all season long. And so thanks to Survivor fact checker for getting that information out there.

And so, yeah, that was exactly the point I made in the video, which a lot of the people missed when they said, oh, well, I like the segment. You can like Zach Brown. That's fine. Make it all bonus scenes. Make all of that bonus scenes. And I'm sure it was fun for some or maybe even all of the players who were there who got to go on the reward. They got to eat a lot and everything else. But just because it's fun for them doesn't make it fun for us to watch. when you're not seeing these players talk about what's happening. Like we don't even know. And we'll talk about this in the predictions part. We know Tiffany is with Aubrey. We don't even know if the rest of the tribe knows that Tiffany is with Aubrey.

We have no idea where she stands in the tribe overall. Right. Right. And so, you know, next week it would be a big surprise. we don't know. And so anyway, I really did not intend to talk about Zach Brown this much.

But how can you not? We had to. It was 29 minutes of the episode. I wanted to pretend that part of the episode. Rob posted on chat BCC, it was a donut episode. And I believe what he meant is it had a big hole in the middle.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm misinterpreting. But that's my interpretation of what Rob meant when he said that. It's a dude. not episode. That's what it is. Don't do that again. If you were if when you played well how would you feel if this was your reward though? Like obviously not a great TV, uh, you know, challenge for us at home. But if this was one of the rewards that you had, you had won, how would you have felt? Was this,

did you think this had any merit as an award? I honestly would say no because I don't know who Zach Brown is. I know he was now because I watched 29 minutes of him on Survivor. But if, if someone had said, Zach Browns here had been like, who is that? I don't, but then it's like, okay, food. Food would have been very excited. I didn't get any rewards. I was very hungry. There was no rewards for Jessica. But the food was really significant with whatever the offerings were. And I feel like it would have been kind of disappointing to be like, and your reward is fish. Congratulations. The thing that you've actually been eating because some people are able to catch fish, we're just going to serve you a bigger fish and it will have mango salsa and it will be

delicious. Now, that probably tastes of great, but I would have preferred like a big fat hamburger or something at that point, you know? So it was an interesting choice. Yes, it was an interesting choice. But I think when you're out there because you're so removed from everything and you have a tendency to kind of forget that you're surrounded by cameras and that all of these things are going on, that you can get kind of swept up in like what's happening. And so it probably would have been exciting, but it also would have been more exciting because I'm hungry. And I would like to eat.

And I think that's really what it would have boiled down to. Yeah. I wonder if it's like wine. I do like wine. I do like wine. I wonder if there's like some type of matrix that you can follow to where it's like depending on the celebrity, you're more okay with this.

Right? Like it's like Zach Brown, you don't really know it. But is there somebody who, if they were there, you're like, oh my God, like Beyonce? like you know what I'm saying like how you know because listen if Maynard had walked out I would have been like I'm in it like I'm done like I don't need to go back to that I'm just going to him wherever he is whatever he's doing I'll finish the game right now I'm just going to hang out with Maynard that would have been sick but that's me so I can understand entirely that it probably is more of a are you a fan

or not a fan so I'm sure that that has an effect yeah and just just to be clear because I know someone is already getting ready to type this on YouTube if they haven't already. We know he was technically only on screen in the reward for 10 minutes. The half hour we're referring to is what Chappelle mentioned earlier. Just the whole thing involving him from the moment he walked out through the challenge and everything else. Yeah. We know.

We know it's 10 minutes. We know. It seemed a lot longer. So like I said, I really did not intend to talk about. about this other than to make fun of it and then move on. But so I'm going to try not to mention it anymore today. But I do want to say one thing. At least that time wasn't filled with a stupid journey where people lose their votes for no good reason.

Oh, well, you know, that's that too. Small little bright side. Yeah. I'm kind of like, I kind of take the journey. Look, at least in the journey we see the competitors talk. You know, like this time they were talking. about Zach Brown, you know, we got a lot of D talking about how great this guy is. And we got a lot of coach with his, I mean, obviously they picked him because he was the most

flowery of the compliments, you know, in his element there. That's what he does. Yes. He did the same thing with the movie that they watched that one. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yes. That terrible movie.

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store and online, though some may vary. All right, well, let's move on to the other guy spearfishing this episode. That would be Ozzy, because all he could focus on was getting rid of Angelina, so he could be Mike's number one. Now, first, while that may have worked from time to time in the past, I actually posted about this on social media in a couple places, and some people did have answers that I did not specifically remember. But those were people who were better players.

So do we really think Ozzie could have pulled this off here? Like he gets rid of Mike's not just ally, but good friend. And suddenly he becomes the tightest ally? I just don't think Mike would have seen it that way. Yeah, but I think he's got an Emily that he could have blamed for that, too, though. Yeah. And where's my going to go?

Well, that's true too. I mean, Mike had Christian there too. But Christian would have been betraying him in that moment too. The door is open for somebody to go become friends with Ozzie. I mean, with Mike White in that moment. I don't think it's that bad. Like you said, probably a more talented player probably can pull that off. But I think at that point, you've just sent out one of his close allies, but one of his good friends.

I think he's going to be looking for somebody to work with at that point. mean, who else? He's a David versus Goliath person. His entire alliance at that point has fallen apart, you know? So I don't know. I don't think it's that far-faced, David. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But Well, I think. I do want to

add, though, too, though, I think that because Ozzy is such a non-threatening player in that regard, that it probably would have been easier for him to make nice with Mike, because that's why Emily is the one that he could really, well, Emily's one who's talking about it. And, like, she's the scary one. Like, who am I?

I'm just Ozzy, I'm going to go fish now. You know, so I feel like there would have been an ability for him to, to downplay his role in it and really blame Emily. And it probably would have resonated with my. I feel like the two of you have put more thought into this than Ozzy did in his entire time. I feel like Ozzie just said, if I get rid of his friend, then I have to be his friend. It's obvious. We would know that had we not spent so much time with that ground. You know, not to bring him up again.

be fair, I don't know that that's true because the thing is once Ozzy thought he knew what was happening, he went off fishing. I mean, I'm just saying we might know his point of view, you know, we don't get anybody's... I think he would have still just gone off fishing and...

He was doing what he does so well and that's... Right, is it completely Ozzy cliche. Yes. All his gaming and plotting and strategizing is going on, Ozzy is fishing. This is exactly what he said he was not going to do. But I have pointed out before when I have interviewed Ozzy in the past, he said that same

thing and then he did it again. Almost 20 years ago after Cook Islands, he told me I probably screwed up a bit in my strategy and that I didn't do enough politicking and did too much fishing. Yeah. That's what he told me 20 years ago. He told you that 20 years ago, but he's done better this season. He's definitely Okay, but everyone's going to have to set back now and again. It happens.

So he was in a moment where he was like, what am I going to do? I'm going to go fishing because Zach Brown's fishing and he's feeding them. So I'm going to feed my people. He missed it. Yeah. The morale is low, David.

This is a social move. The morale is low. He saw everybody else, he like, he knows Zach Brown's got his, he's got his bazooka underwater and he's catching all these fish. I was like, I can catch fish too. You know, I can feed my tribe. Don't be so hard on Ozzy.

But then for him to get mad that he wasn't included, maybe if you had stuck around, that's true. I agree with that. Yes, that's true. That was fascinating to me. You know,

him saying to Mike White, and I think that might have been a frank about it because there's no way you can force me to believe that Ozzie looked at Mike White and said, I want to vote out Angelina and then when it got into the water. You know, that's so crazy to me to think that he would say, I want to take out your real friend in real life.

All right, y'all go gather amongst y'all selves. I'm going to go swim. I see his mouth. I see his mouth moved. I need to look at the clip a little bit closer because it did look like that. He's like, no, we're voting out Angelina. And then five seconds later, well,

you'll have that it, Mike. Good luck. You know, what are you talking about? You don't leave. At that point, you need to be a glue to Mike White. I mean, Mike said, okay, I'm open to anything. I mean, we'll talk about that later. But, you know, I.

But also look at what Mike did when he approached he'd like told the person that he was going to vote out. Like Mike was very much like in your face. Like this is what I'm doing. So maybe Ozzy was like, well, I'm just going to do the same thing. I'm just going to tell this is what we're doing.

I'm going fishing now. You know, like that's it. Yeah. Well, to be fair, Mike White was lying. Remember when he said it? He actually was like, oh, he actually didn't tell the person. We thought he told the person. Because he really was going to go.

That moment. That moment he did it. I was like, oh, God, that's painful. And then he was like, that's not what we're doing. I think we all gas when he did it. Right. Ozzy's not at that level. We know that much.

So Ozzy was like, I'm just going to tell him what we're doing. And then I'm going to go fishing because that's what Ozzie was really going to do. Yeah. So, well, on a lighter note, I think production messed up a bit and did not realize that when Devin's.

Zach Brown wasn't on the show. Yeah. This is a different music issue. When Devin's was juggling, and I say juggling loosely as a juggler, I can say that. He was going, and I won't do the rest of it

because he was singing the Star Wars Cantina song. Okay? Oh. That is a copyright. That is an actual song. He wasn't just like singing random circus music.

Oh, that's amazing. And I recognized it immediately because when Star Wars came out, when I was a kid, we had the soundtrack album. I played it constantly. Me and my brothers, would dance to that song.

Well, run around and do somersaults and stuff, but, you know, dance. And so it is ingrained in my mind. The moment he started, I knew what it was, but apparently nobody at CBS did because there's no way they were paying for the rights to use that. Listen, I will say, again, as someone who might have played the game, if you ever really wanted to frustrate the cameraman and women and the production team and whoever was watching you just start singing a song. You could literally watch them.

They would drop the cameras and they would just be like, because they knew. They're like, we're never going to be able to pay the rights for this. So we would do it on purpose. You would just start singing a song just because then they would stop like filming you. It was quite fun. So it is fascinating.

They didn't pick up on that because usually they pay attention. I think they just didn't know. I think they just. They probably didn't catch it. Yeah. It was some random circus type music or something. It's hysterical. It feels like a deep pool, though.

Like, I mean, I don't see a lot of people talking about recognizing that, Dave. You got a good ear for one. And two, you know, like, these production people, they only know, they only know what they know, right? There's so many songs out there. It's like, oh, yeah, that's the one song from this one movie that I watched in the background. And, you know, the soundtrack of that movie is like, you have to have the very specific knowledge of that. Because, like, what is, you know, I highly doubt they kind of go back and, like, check all that stuff, right? Like, it has to be, I think it has to stand out.

And like you said, Devin's just got it through. Now, David, now as you've called it out, does it now, are people going to now talk about it more? Is that going to draw it to their attention? Next time you go watch it, it's going to be a different song. No. Ooh, yes, it's going to go, like, oh, gosh. It'll be one of the, what do they call those effects when it's like,

it's not the Berenstain Bears, it's the Berenstain Bears. Oh, the Mandela effect, right? It's the Mandela. It will be the Mandela effect. It will no longer be that song. Yeah, you're going to be like, I swear he did it. We're like, sure, David, sure, whatever you say. We went back and we looked at it.

It's not there anymore. Sorry. This is going to happen. I think they're just going to deduct it from, from Devin's check eventually. From his million dollars? Okay. Well, we have to ask Evans.

Devons will know if that's what he did. We should ask Devon. I already know. Well, but I'm just saying if the Mandela effect happens. Oh, yes. Right, right. He's the point. Listen.

Yeah. That's what I actually did. That's true. Yeah. Mm-hmm. All right. Well, normally now I would go into our semi-regular segment. CBS Morning's crew is wrong about blank.

But they were so busy fawning over Mike White that they didn't even leave themselves time to be factually wrong. Except for the fact that Gail King kept interrupting Mike as he was trying to tell stories. Like, come on, you have master storyteller, Mike White, on your show. And you interrupt him to ask some stupid,

pre-written intern question? Stop it. let the man talk. Well, he got interrupted at tribal council. I know. If Christian can do it, Gail King can't do it. Well, Jeff yelled at him.

Everyone was well, Jeff wasn't there to yell at Gail King. She can do what she wants. You know, she's Gil-King. Like, I got it. Yeah. What question did she ask him? What was she interrupted him? Do you know?

The questions were so vapid that I didn't even pay attention. What he was going to talk about, which I don't remember, was more interesting than whatever question she asked. Hmm. Okay. Interesting. I wonder if he has been talking about his game openly on other interviews or if he's been

just talking about what he wants to. Pretty much just talking about what he wants to. So maybe they wouldn't have got a good story out of him anyway. Yeah. But still, it would have been an interesting story. Yeah. That's true.

Still better than, you know, anything that Gayle King is going to ask. That's fascinating. All right. Well. All right. Well, unless either of you two have anything. else you want to discuss before we move into the rules. I think we can, well, before we go on to talk about how Mike did, we do have to mention

something that Jessica already brought up, which is that the rules we're about to discuss are available in a shorter and much colorful version in poster form. You can go to rob his website.com slash YX lost feed, scroll down to the poster, click on it, and order. In addition, you can also get the poster on a t-shirt. and you can get the checklist on a t-shirt. Just keep on scrolling, keep on clicking, keep on ordering. So, again, that is at rob has a website.com slash y-X lost feed to get all of those links.

Perfect. All right. Well, Mike White thought he was in a perfect position. Literally, all of his friends from outside the game ended up on the same swap tribe with him. You could not ask for more. and yet here we are. Where did he go against what he said in the pregame he wouldn't do? What did he do to trigger someone else's pregame plans?

And what does Mike think his mistake was that led to his game demise? And is he right? At RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why Mike lost. Now, the first and most important rule is, of course, to scheme and plot. Mike certainly understood this and even reveled in it this week, talking about being the Machiavellian puppet master, among other things. And it's funny because the earlier versions of my rules used to even specifically mention Machiavelli in there and encourage people to be more like him.

But most of Mike's type of scheming was in the area he's most well known for, which is storytelling. He even told Mike Bloom in the pregame that one of his best areas in the game was, quote, being able to see people in their narrative and be able to articulate that and kind of get people's heads about who might be a threat or what's an interesting story. Indeed, this specific idea had apparently been running through Christians head for years now, but he kept it to himself for all that time so he could be ready to use it. And he told Mike Bloom in the pregame, the reason I was a giant threat was because I was a narrative threat. Who set that threat? Freaking Mike

White, the king of narratives. I want to steal his power this. season. And unlike most pregame plans, this one actually worked. Yeah, and it's a little bit scary, right? Because it was so premeditated. It was like very, very, it was a choice. It was definitely a choice for a lot of reasons, both in-game and outside of game. And so it was, it was fascinating to see that they did all end up on this tribe. And he was given the opportunity to put into emotion, what he wanted to do so long ago. It's a little scary. Yeah. I think

Millennials v. Gen X is one of those good examples of how a narrative can really shape how somebody has looked at in the game. And I'm not talking about Adam. I'm talking about David Wright. You know, the idea that you got to get out David or he's going to win makes David more of a threat. Right? It's like the story of David has

now become bigger than David. Is David actually doing anything at this point or is he just a part of a big alliance, you know? But we've already decided that he's the kingmaker. If we could take out David, then we win the game. And so that becomes the driving force. This is why people are looking at Ken crazy when he doesn't want to do it, you know?

And so I think that, yeah, that's a very good observation. And the crazy thing about it is that Christian has that observation. Mike White's operating under that observation. And so when Mike White goes to use that tool against Christian, Christian's like, yeah, I know that trick because that's the trick

I've been trying to pull. And so when he hears it, the narrative speaks to Christian. He's crying on the beach talking about how, you know, oh, the Gabby thing really made sense to him. and because of that, I now have to vote you out because I see that you're doing the same thing I want to do. It was poetic. It really was.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I do want to say, you mentioned Millennials versus Gen Act. I think the narrative, I mean, I think you could say it in a lot of seasons, but it also worked against a certain Jessica because like, oh, hey, Jessica says, let's everybody get together and vote out this guy. And everybody's like, yes, let's do that. And then after he's voted out, the narrative turns to, oh, that's all Jessica's.

fault. It was all me. It was like, wait, what? Yeah, no, it was, it was a group effort over here. We all did it together. Yeah, it is fascinating to see how quickly you can shift the target onto someone just by dropping those little nuggets of information, which Mike was very, very good at. He was, and he did it fantastically in his last season because he was just kind of like that silent assassin over in the corner, just kind of telling people things to make them think about it. And so you don't see that as someone who's a threat because they're just having conversations you. They're just talking about things.

They're making you feel something. And that's what I think makes Mike so good is he's able to make you feel. And the minute he did drop Gabby's name, ooh, that was a moment. And so when you start bringing up people's prior experiences that, to be completely honest, could have been very traumatic. When you play Survivor, sometimes things happen and they can have a traumatic effect on you long term. And that's something that we saw Christian actually, he started crying and he said, I haven't cried about this yet. And this is the first time I'm crying about it. So clearly that

had a huge effect on him. And the fact that Mike was able to bring that out of him just shows you why Mike White is who he is because he's able to find those things and really make people feel a particular way. And unfortunately, it had the opposite effect that he wanted it to have on Christian. Yeah, I want to go briefly through how it all happened. I mean, I know we all saw it, but it started when Christian and Mike told Ozzy, they were down for whatever. We mentioned this earlier. And Ozzy said, it'll be Angelina. And Mike was like, okay, but I'm going to try to talk to you out of it.

And so it was clear he wasn't really down for whatever, except, as you indicated earlier, it wasn't clear to Ozzie who just went off Fisher. So that attempt didn't work. So he started Operation Save Angelina. And, you know, he got the other woman on board to target Emily as a threat. And then he told Angelina she was a target and added to her and Christian that they should target Emily. And this is where things started to go sideways for him, which I think we'll talk about more in the second rule. But Christian was like, as we go to commercial break, if only there were some other way, And then through the commercial, so many of us were yelling at our screens.

There is another way. There is an obvious choice. Hughes, ally, the outlier from the group. But no, that wasn't the way it went. He did not go in that direction. And that's when Mike realized, well, Christian really isn't good with this plan. I'm going to bring up Gabby. I'm going to manipulate him.

And that's when he talked to us about being the puppet master and how the game is about persuading people to do what you want. and Christian said it. Mike's terrifying when he wants you to do something. He's so convincing. He knows where to hit you. Mike is the most dangerous person on this or any other island. Yeah.

That's a lot. Yeah. You want to talk about narratives. Christian voted for Mike the first time they played together because he said Mike was transcended then. So you want to bring up narratives and, you know, you want to talk about. Yeah, so Mike White bringing up their old game.

Yeah, sure. Get Christian thinking about what happened last time. Why were people so hell bent on getting Christian out? Because Mike White's over there spinning webs the whole time. And then he gets to the end and he even votes for Mike White. So, yeah, it was crazy. But I think Mike White kind of does the same thing that Ozzy does. He says, I wanted to be Emily to Christian.

Christian's like, I'm working with Emily. This is your real friend in real life. You should know that Christian and Emily have a relationship outside the game. So he won't go for this. Mike seeing that decides, well, I'm just going to manipulate you because I'm McAvillian. You know, like I just got it like that. Okay. Well, now you get to see.

how strong your powers really are and they just weren't strong enough. Yeah. And I think this is where it kind of, there's an overlap with rules one and two here because, you know, this was a failed attempt at scheming. Because it seemed like Mike had this big weapon he was holding on to. And he was saving it to use it a crucial time and then bam.

He did it now to try to persuade Christian to take out Emily. And I do understand how it made sense to him at this moment because he wanted to separate Emily from Christian. Using the Gabby story would only work in this specific situation. Oh, look, you have another nerd girl here with you. And he's going to turn into another Gabby. But a big problem is Christian knows who actually got him voted out last time. Gabby did not succeed.

Mike did. So when we move into the second rule, which of course says not to scheme and plot too much to keep your scheming secret and also not to backstab too soon. And I guess I should add in this case not to stab in the heart too soon. I know he wasn't actually going after Christian, but he was trying to take away a tight ally and hitting him where it really hurt to do it. And this is, you know, I said it earlier.

Mike landed on a swap tribe that seemed to be a dream. He had literally everyone he knew from the outside in a single, tribe. This should have been Survivor on easy mode for him. Yeah. He did talk about that though. He talked about why it wasn't. Well, and he made it harder for himself. Right. You know, by trying to take aim at Emily right this moment rather than letting things flow a bit, again, I'm going back to take out the other easy target. Even with him believing Emily to be a threat, he did not need to make this move right this moment.

There was something else he could have done. There was, but I think the problem that he was up against was Angelina has been the desired vote multiple times, right? So it's not like this was new, like a new idea. Ozzie wanted her to go last time. And he bargained and switched it up and was promised Angelina can go next time. So in Ozzie's mind, well, it's Angelina.

We don't even have to talk about it. I'm going fishing, right? like decision made. And so I do think that it puts Mike in an interesting situation because if he has to convince them to, well, I want it to come off of Angelina. It needs to be on someone else. And he could have done it without telling Christian. He still could have gotten enough votes for Emily without having to include Christian.

And so if he really wanted to target Emily, which I understand why he wanted to target her, because we've seen what Emily has been doing. and we could see how she would be a threat to Mike. But yes, bringing in Christian was the problematic thing to do. So he should have avoided that altogether. I think that would have been the easier thing to do as opposed to trying to shift the votes towards Stephanie just for the mere fact that it's like to convince Ozzy not to vote Angelina

has to make sense. And I don't know what Emily wouldn't have made sense. He didn't need to. All he had to do was get his. fellow David and Goliaths on board. Those three, do you think Emily and Ozzie are going to rocks for her? Well, and that's true too. He just needed to.

Also, he could have done a three to one. He could have done the same thing. We saw how easily she was manipulated. All you had to do was walk up to her and say, we're voting this way. If he had done it and Angelina had done it and said, we're voting off Emily, she would have been like, okay, there would have been one vote for Emily, two vote for Angelina, and three votes for her. Yeah, that's true. They didn't need to convince Ozzie and Emily.

He never needed to even worry about that. That's true. You know, I was fascinated with Christian's target, actually. I was thinking that Christian was going to three, two, one, Ozzie out. I don't know why he saved Ozzy in this moment. You know, Emily, obviously, is very loyal to, to, to, to the point where you can't even tell her nothing and she's going to run back and tell Ozzy.

I mean, that moment was, I mean, we see Emily now two weeks in a row basically just you can't tell her anything. So, you know, she's got this like this tied to Ozzy. You know, in a way, Mike White is tied to Ozzy. You can weaken Mike White by just put in the 3-2-1 on Ozzy, you know.

Get Ozzie out of the game. Emily, where is she going to go? And then you still get to keep your tight three David versus Goliath Alliance together. And at the bottom you have Emily and Stephanie, are they going to do? So I, you know, I thought that's where he was going. I was shocked that it was Mike White that ended up taking this bullet. Yeah, I think we'll have more to talk about with, in Rule 6 about why it was specifically, Mike. But a lot of it, you know, even here is in terms of, you know, Mike, and you brought this up too, Mike reminding Christian of who he was. And bringing, I mentioned in Rule 1 that him bringing up Emily was where things started going sideways with him. he had only been with Christian on the swap tribe for like two days. But like you said,

he should have been able to figure out Emily was a close ally. And in fact, he must have known that because he tried to use it against Christian. But he did it anyway because like you said, what was it you said? Yes, I know she's close, but I'm going to be the one who manipulate you anyway. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. And so he just thought he could overcome that. And maybe he, the one thing he may not have realized, was that they're not just allies in the game. They're friends outside the game. I don't know if Mike knew that part. The problem with that is that Mike probably thought,

well, Christian and I are also friends outside the game. So surely if he does have to make a move, okay, he might not love this, but he'll take out somebody who he's not friends with outside the game, like Ozzie, like Stephanie. No, no, no. He said, we're friends outside the game. I don't want to play with you anymore.

And that's the part that Mike underestimated. Yeah. And I think it, well, I mean, it's, you know, I would guess based on what we've heard since then and what we've seen. I think he's probably much closer. I mean, even before this, he was much closer with Emily as a friend than with Mike. I don't know. Mike had him on the White Lotus. If I put you on the White Lotus, you got to kind of ride it out with me to the end.

I mean, I'm sorry. Yeah. And also, like they were on vacation together or something. Right. They were telling him. he made a comment and I don't I don't know if this was him being downplaying it or or if it was real he said if you look I'm all the way in the back I just happened to be traveling nearby at the time so they threw me in Angelina and whoever else was in it were up in the front they threw you in a HBO series and gave you screen time yeah so I mean yeah no even when he saw the thing is even when he saw when he saw that there were signs that Christian wasn't being fully honest with him in certain areas. He told Mike Bloom he dismissed them as Christian just hamming it up for the cameras.

And he said, at the core of it, I was just like, he's not going to come for me. I just felt so safe. And he could have been that safe if he hadn't launched his campaign against Emily. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is what happens when pregame affects in-game because you think that you have a relationship with someone and you think that this person's going to be with you through thick and thin until that person starts realizing, you're stepping on my game now. And this is a game for a million dollars that maybe Mike White doesn't need a million dollars, but maybe somebody else might need a million dollars. So it certainly shifts your perception of another person

because it's no longer outside of the game friendship. Now it can certainly have an impact. And I think we even saw it have an impact on Mike because Mike said pregame, I am not going to blow up my own game for Angelina. Are you reading that was exactly the point I was going to bring up next? But that's what he talked about. He's like, yes.

And so it's fascinating that he decided Oh, Angelina's ship is sinking. Well, I need to start bailing out for her and I need to start saving her to my own demise. I mean, because he could have just let it be and been like, well, that sucks for Angelina, but I'm staying in the game. And that's not the approach he took.

So this is outside stuff affecting in-game stuff. Yeah, only his ship went down. Hers is still sailing for the moment. For the moment. For the moment. I think they're both going to be under the water together. Yeah. all right well the third rule tells players to be flexible and after discussing some of the things that mike did and the reasons he did them chappelle what do you think about him in terms of this rule i definitely don't think he was flexible with this angelina thing right like that's that's the whole thing y'all were just saying is that preseason he says i'm not going down for angelina but in practice that's harder to do this is still your friend this is still somebody that you make you know they're good friends the rest of these people can say oh we know each other for survivor stuff and we've seen

each other here and there. They are good friends. She's like, I think Lindsay was talking about it in y'all's first, your first recap where there's people from her season that she's like, no, I'll speak at their funeral. You know what I'm saying? Or they'll speak at mine. You know, that's a different type of friendship. So yeah, you get out there and you're like, oh yeah, we're cool. And I feel like, you know, Christian and Mike probably were decently friendly, friendly, right? Mike, but as close as you can be with a Hollywood celebrity, you know,

while you got your own stuff going on. Whereas Angelina and Mike, they played that entire game together. They were bonded by their time on the island and then they went off and became friends even more and then it you know it's spiral into what it's probably a lifelong friendship so yeah saying that now it's cool or whatever but when you got to actually

make the cut you know we're all like you gotta cut your Camilla if she could just get Kyle out the game you know like okay some of this stuff is kind of a little far fetched you know whereas you would hope that somebody has that speed but it's probably a lot harder when faced with those with those actual moments right And so Mike's like, yeah, Christian and I are friends.

And although he could get me out, he's probably not going to because we're friends. And I'm going to go to bat for Angelina because she's my friend. And I'd rather black play the game without her, you know, and that's really what it looked like to me. Yeah. He did say that too. He's like, if it comes down to Christian, Angelina, Ozzie, or me, I might just exit myself. I mean, so he was very aware of how significant those relationships were to him. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I'm having a difficult time thinking of him as flexible. You know, but again, one thing that I keep mentioning, there was another person who could have easily been taken out, a sitting duck. Nobody was there to defend them. Again, we'll discuss this more in Appendix A,

but even though he might not have gotten that full buy-in, he should have at least tried. And like I just mentioned, he didn't need Emily and Ozzie if he didn't want them. He could have worked it. But he just didn't. He was not thinking in that way. And even when Rob asked him the question,

it just didn't seem to even be a consideration. It never entered his mind to actually do that. But I think we're going to talk about why he wanted Emily out so badly in Rule 6, aren't we? Isn't that what you said? Probably not because we don't know. We'll talk about why he was wanted out so badly in Rule 6. six. I mean, who he wanted out at this point, you know, he's the one who lost. So no, right.

No, no. Okay. But this is my, but what I wanted, my point is this is that you're, you keep saying that he could have gone after Stephanie, but there were real reasons why he was going after Emily. And he made that very clear that she basically told them all, I don't care who you are to me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So there's, so there is definitely this concern that you have that like she is a player and she is going to cut you. She does not care who you are to her or what you mean to her, which is why he saw that moment. He saw that opportunity to like say,

Hey, Christian, she's going to take you out. It was very clear from the speech that she gave to us that she does not care about the relationship she has with you. She will still cut you and vote you out. And so there was a reason. He thought he could sell that narrative. He thought that he could do that. not realizing what it was going to turn into.

So that's why I think he was just kind of like, whatever about that other option. This is what I've got to focus on. There's a story here. There's something I can work with. Yeah. Yeah. And taking out Stephanie and leaving Emily in,

he probably also thinks that, you know, Christian could be dragged to Emily's side a little bit more. You know how Ozzy wants to get rid of Angelina so he can move up the ranks in Mike White's eyes? Christian very clearly with Emily. So if you're like, if I can get rid of her, then maybe he's more tied to this David versus Goliath alliance a little bit.

Maybe that's what he's going for. Because he called her a cougar in the shape of a rent fare girl, which is a very specific type of description. But somehow I understand what he meant. But yeah, I think he was threatened by her, especially the friendship that she had with Christian. I just feel like the friendship she had with Christian is why exactly Christian won't let her go.

Right. But what did you say? earlier about Ozzy going directly to Mike. Yeah, it's crazy. Vote out Angelina. Mike did the same thing. He did the same thing. He didn't go swimming for the rest of the day.

But he definitely, he pushed the issue, but I definitely think the issue, you know that this, if this is your friend, then you know that they are friends and you would know that he would not go for this, you know, right? Not like, not easily. You have time. This is not the end game. This is pre-merge for God's sake. It was a sexy.

of the easy vote. Get rid of the easy person. You can't call him one of the greatest storytellers that we have on Survivor and then want him to do the boring move, David. And you can say the same thing about Christian. Both of them were going to look for the sexy move here every time. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. It's why they lost. I mean, while he lost. You know,

we don't know what Christian going to do. But it's why Mike White lost it. I think he went for the sexy move. Yeah. We've still got more rules. so there may be other things that come into play here. Don't a sexy move party in at the end though. When you do your wrap up, I want that.

I'll try you remember. I'll try you. I'll let you do that. I'll let you do that. Thank you. Yeah. So the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. And Jessica, as we've talked about, Mike was friends with everyone in the camp except to, you think emotions played a rule. Oh, my God, he failed so badly here.

I'm sorry, Mike, but you really, you said it. I'm not going to go down. for Angelina. I won't allow this to happen to my game. If her ship is sinking, I will let it sink. And then you said, wait, no, I didn't mean that. I'm going to save her. It's so he absolutely let so many things fog his game trajectory. It was not just about Angelina being the target, but it was also, Christians my friend, Aussie's my friend. And because they're my friends, then we're going to be able to make this all work and we're going to be able to play this game together. But again, this is a game for a million dollars. It shifts the way people's brains work,

and it shifts the way that they think. And so for Mike White, he's coming into it thinking, well, this is my dream. All of the people that are friends with me outside of the game are now in my tribe. So delicious, lovely, this will be easy. That's what he thought. But that's not what ended up happening. And so I really do think in this particular situation, he, instead of those game relationships helping you. It really hurt him so badly, especially with Angelina. I mean, the one,

like that right there, I think if someone has said, hey, Christian's the target, he probably would have been like, well, this sucks, but I could think about it for a few minutes. But as soon as he heard it was Angelina, he was like, mm-mm, I need to shift this,

and I need to do it quickly. I have to move the target onto someone else. So, yeah, I think that for sure, this was not a great rule for him to follow. Well, Yeah, I mean, he said in interviews, he knew how much the game meant to Christian Angelina. He didn't want to go against either of them. He's known Ozzy for longer than the other two.

I mean, it's no wonder he didn't vibe as well with Emily, even aside from the threat that he believed she posed, because there were only two other people left on the tribe there. And like you said, Jessica, in some ways, we could say it was bad luck that he ended up with all his friends on the swap tribe with him. I think it was. It narrowed down his options so much. Under normal circumstances, a player in his situation might have been like, okay, I'm an ally of Angelina, but they really want to get rid of her and I'm allies with them. Okay, well, let it happen. Wasn't it going to do it. There's a reason why they were all on different tribes to start, right?

CBS was very particular in how they moved people about on the various tribes and how they broke, up those potential groupings. There was a couple that I was like, that's weird that they kept those two on a tribe together. However, they were all on separate tribes. It's literally the luck of a terrible draw that they then all ended up on the same tribe together. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah. Now, there is another area where Mike's emotions got the better of him in this specific situation. He told Mike Bloom that, of course, he couldn't hide his friendships, which is, you know, kind of obvious. And obviously, a situation we only see in return player seasons. But he also said that in his first season, you wait for other people to make a move

and then you do the counter move or whatever. And this one, I felt like I have this relationship with these guys. I'm just going to say what I think. And so I did, which led to my demise. Now, remember I said earlier how Sam Phelan talked about players believing they knew what caused them to lose? This appears to be it for Mike. He figured they were friends so he could speak his mind. Although he didn't speak his mind to Ozzy, so there's a little bit of a twist there. But the thing is he forgot that while they are or were friends, they were also competitors.

Or rather, he just didn't see it elevating to that level at this point in the game. So he did allow his emotions to be like, I'm going to play the game differently and do something I wouldn't normally have done and just be straightforward. Yeah, I want to comment on that too, because the first time Mike White plays,

you know, he gets to the end. And, you know, I guess the, when you recount the episode, you think about Mike basically sitting at the end next to Nick Wilson and being like, do I even deserve this, right? This guy, he needs the money, you know, he makes less than me.

Obviously, I'm this Hollywood superstar. What are the optics and all that kind of stuff? Right. But see, that's the thing, too. He was taking all those things into consideration the first time he played because he didn't know those people, right? So he was thinking about all those things.

Here he knows these people. So he's thrown out all. of those other things and he's just resting on that emotional connection that he has with them. He's not also thinking, well, Christian probably also really needs this money, right? You know, like, he's not going to just rest on friendship. It's fair, it's easy for Mike to

rest on friendship because at the end of the day, sure, he would like to win, but this isn't a life changing event for Mike White. This is a thing that he could put on his list of accomplishments. But a million dollars for a guy who just you know, tells us in secret, you know what I'm saying? But you can say the same thing

about Emily flipping. You can say the same thing about Angelina. You could probably say the same thing about Stephanie. But for Mike White, he's resting on friendships where there is an animalistic need for these people to win this game, to better their livelihood. And I think the first time he played, he probably saw that. And now he's a little bit like

shrouded by the friendship of it all to where he forgets that these people should want to play cutthroat, not because this is fun, but because this could change my life. Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. all right well the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game

and chapel it seemed to me that generally speaking mike excelled here as we would pretty much expect did you see any problems that i didn't nope he seemed like he was doing well uh you know aside from this this episode we hadn't heard anybody say anything negative about mike white uh we know that he kind of comes in with a built-in pregame uh like benefit to working with mike white it's what if I'm on TV? You know, and it'd be, honestly, I don't know if the, the contestants were saying it in the preseason

because people were asking or if they really came into the game thinking it, because it came up so much. Like, oh, man, Mike Way, I don't know. People are going to want to vote him out. But you have to wonder if the producers were like, what do you think about Mike White being on the White Lotus, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah.

So in a way, there are reasons to work with him for sure. And it's his job to maintain those people who want to naturally work with them. And I didn't see any problem with that. Yeah. I sneak suspicion that they all brought it up on purpose. They wanted people to be thinking about the White Lotus cameos. And because it's one more little nugget that might just make someone work differently with Mike White,

make someone want to work with Mike White because they're like, oh, maybe I'll get a White lotus cameo if I work with Mike White. I'm certain that they were like, let's just throw that in there and see what people say. They didn't foresee someone who already got a cameo turning on him. Right. Right. That's the part you can think about. Been there, done that.

I was in the back. He said, put me on severance. You know? He's moving on, baby. Right. He is. There's no more White Lotus in his future. All right.

Well, the sixth rule, which we've been waiting for, warns against people being too much of a threat. And, you know, we've had some good discussion already about the decisions that Mike made. But this is a key area that's partially related to, some of them, but also where he stands out. And especially in a returning player season, this one is difficult to hide. You know, Mike said in the pregame,

he was going to try to reduce his apparent threat level by pretending to just be a fun guy who didn't really do strategy. And he actually did that early on. And then afterwards, he told Mike Bloom, I did well when it was just people that I didn't know and they didn't know me. and then he continued that he obviously couldn't pull the same act with all his friends on the tribe. He, of course, thought he'd still be fine with them. But the thing is, again, it seems like such an advantage to have three players from your season,

all of whom are friends to at least some extent outside the game. But it also makes you as a group stand out as a huge threat, which was one reason Emily and Ozzy wanted to break them up. they weren't aiming at him originally and Ozzy never was but attention on the group overall was one of the early dominoes that led to everything else happened yeah and this was something that was again you want to talk about pregame questions and press everyone was asked about this too how do you feel about this group of three coming back from david versus goliath and and angelina and christian and mike were even asked about it as well so it is really a

like that pink elephant in the room that everybody was talking about. And it's unfortunate that he, I think it's unfortunate to be in a situation like that. Like I do think you're almost better to come in without that particular baggage, where it might seem nice that you do have some players that you think you understand and you think you can play with. But it does actually create a target that you didn't even ask for because all of a sudden you're like, they don't know if we're actually friends, but apparently Mike was telling everybody they were friends.

And so he didn't do a good job of keeping that quiet. And when you're putting them on your TV show, it makes it that much more obvious that everybody knows that you're friends with them as well. So it is an unfortunate situation that I think perhaps for choosing the players for 50, maybe it was a bad idea to pick three from one season to say, hey, we're going to put them all in this place together and see what happens. But chaos can be fun. And apparently they created some chaos and it worked out differently than most people

expected it to. Not to get too much in your business, Jessica. But if you were to play Survivor again and you get there and you see Ken and Hannah, is your natural inclination be like, okay, we got to stick this out until we get to the merge? Or are you, like, how do you approach something like this? If you are put in that position. And I'm not saying like on separate tribes. I mean, like, if you all are to come together or are put on the same tribe for whatever reason. Yeah, one half of that duo, I would, I would be like, yes, I'm playing with that person to the end. The other half, no. You would think you would need to get them immediately. Yes.

Yeah. So here's my point. I think that Mike White was making himself not a threat to most people. But I think he forgot to not make himself a threat to Christian. Oh, and that is a very fair point. Yes. Yeah. It worked.

Lowering your threat level around all these other people was working perfectly fine. Call himself grandpa and all these other things. I'm just a fun die, blah, blah, blah. He got a six pack happening. So there's that. Exactly. We see you, Mike White. Exactly.

We see you. And when you go to Christian, with your Machiavellian play and Christian sees it, you're like, boom, there you are, the big threat that I knew you were, you know? So it's like he had it for the first half. And then we got here instead of just chilling, you know, being a part of a three-person alliance with an extra ally and Emily flipping. And just letting it be Stephanie, letting it be Ozzy, you know,

even hell, even letting it be Angelina. He couldn't allow that. He had to show his fangs. And the moment he did, Christian said, and there it is. And so, yeah, right. I think sometimes you got to realize that just because they're your friends or you play before with them, that once they are a threat to you specifically, they don't have to stay here anymore. Right. And they also know more about you. Right. So there's that component of it as well because like I can say that like Ken and I are very close. And so to then have to play the game like I know him on a personal level and he knows me on a personal level. I don't know Hannah in that same vein. I know that I played the game with her and I know things about Hannah. So it's. It's like you would come at it from different points of view, I guess, because it depends on the

relationship you had. But it does sound like Christian and Angelina both had a very close relationship with Mike White, more so probably Angelina. But I do think that he took advantage of the fact that they were friends as opposed to we're friends, but we're also friends and they know things about me. Like they've seen Mike at his best doing his job on White Lotus. And I'm sure that that is a fascinating. thing to watch, right?

To see someone create a show like that and to be the, like the, I mean, literally the creator of it, right? And knowing his capabilities, that I think gave Christian that much more of the information that he needed to really pull this off because, yes, you were in like, there it is. I see it. It's here. He's taking his outside abilities and inserting them in game. and he's taking me with him to do that,

that's where, yeah, I think he did, I really do think Mike dismissed that, that idea of who he was in Christian and Angelina's eyes, in addition to friends, they've also seen him in work. And it changes things. Yeah, and I mean,

little did he know, Christian has been planning this for years. Like, I mean, the amount of plotting that Christian went through, like literally holding, back on podcasts, never mentioning this on all the podcasts he's been on because he wanted to keep that to himself so he could use it in the game. And then even still, you know, talking about it in pregame and then even still, it was kind of lying dormant until Mike tried to push the issue.

And then it was like, it was like Godzilla coming up out of the water. You know he's under there somewhere. But suddenly there he is. And you're like, oh, that's right. A giant lizard creature lives in that water there. And I have to do something about it. Yeah. And so, you know, Christian planned to steal the power of the narrative. We talked about that in the first rule. He said, Mike is the most dangerous person on this or any island. And then he added later, Mike's so dangerous. He knows exactly where to twist the dagger. All he did was remind,

just remind Christian specifically, hey, I'm dangerous. And again, this is something he'd been thinking about for a while. You mentioned before that he voted for Mike to win. And Christian also told Dalton Ross, in the pregame, he just has a way of saying a couple words and completely changing your thinking on the matter. I had one dinner with him back in May before any of us got any calls for season 50. And he had this way of redirecting any topic that he wanted with a flip of the sentence.

Basically the same thing I was saying about his post of interviews. His ex-impressed, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and maybe more importantly, Christian also said, of the two people they decide to bring back with me, it's hard to think of two who were more adversarial to me in the whole season. Yeah. And then he also talked in pregame about how he realized things would have been different if he could have chosen the target at Final 12 when the Davids came together. I was mad at myself.

I wore my David's shirt last week. And I was like, well, I can't wear it two weeks in a row. That just wouldn't be cooth as a podcast. But if I had known, I'd have held on to it for this one because it was perfect. but he said if he had come up with the idea, he could have chosen Mike as the target. And that would have obviously had a butterfly effect on the rest of the season because no one else at the time was saying his name except Angelina who didn't have any credibility.

And it seems like in his mind this is the opportunity to write the wrong. You get rid of Mike now. Right now. He does not have a chance to make an impact in the game later. well but you know and not that we've had a chance to see any of this and not that i want this to happen but it's one of those situations like we've said the same thing about seri right like you can't let her get her footing because when she does then it's a lost cause at that point she's making it to the end and it's it's probably a very similar thing with mike because mike does have this way about

him just infiltrating a group and making people feel comfortable and and just being that what appears to be goofy, charismatic kind of person who then almost wins a season that he's on previously. And so, and I do think, you know, to your point, I think, you know, you were talking about Chappelle, where with the Nick, where he even like pulled back because he was like, oh, well, Nick needs this more than I do. So the fact that he's still putting other people, you know, thinking about others in that moment really shows you that his brain works in ways that you might not necessarily be thinking it would because most people wouldn't sit in the final three and be like, but that person needs it more than me.

So I'm going to take a back seat for a minute here. So I do really think that it's interesting just to see how it's all like formulated and come together for him. And, you know, unfortunately, not in the way that he was hoping. Yeah. Well, you know, Mike White's probably been sitting around really looking at his Dave versus Goliath game and saying, man, I didn't close that, right? Like I got to the end, but I didn't put that away. Christian has been looking at his day versus Goli's game and saying, I should have voted out Mike White.

Yeah. So that's his regret is that I didn't vote Mike White out. So when Mike White shows up to be voted out, he's like, I kind of got to do it, right? Like I've been thinking about this. Whereas Mike has not dwelt on that. He has not sat with that for seven years. You know, he don't have those scars. He's never been voted out.

He doesn't know how it feels. So he's like, no, we're all friends and we'll worry about that at the end. And Christian's like, I worried about you at the end last time. This time I won't do that. I'm taking you out of final 12, you know, or something like that. You know, so I just don't think. he just wasn't playing the same game that Christian was playing. Right.

Yeah, totally. By the way, you mentioning that it was seven years ago, it's still astonishing to me. Isn't it? Isn't it crazy? I think of it as a recent season, you know,

like a few years ago, you know, but yeah. Also, Mike did one thing. It was too late anyway. It didn't matter. But he didn't do himself any favors in tribal council.

You know, you mentioned Chappelle, how he focused on something Emily said at the previous tribal council. well then he gets to this tribal council and he talks about how his job is to persuade people and he's kind of a con artist. Right. Reemphasize the exact points Christian was already thinking

if Christian had been wavering even a little tiny bit. I mean, you saw the looks on Christian's face as he was saying it. And I mean, at that point, the die was cast. It was too late anyway. But even if it hadn't been, who, that was not a good thing to say. Now, I do want to mention that Gabby, the person Mike was trying to use as a weapon against Christian, had some thoughts about why it didn't work. And she shared those on chat PCC. She said, Mike, quote, probably tugged down the wrong heartstrings because Christian and I are besties now.

Maybe he also underestimated how strong Emily and Christian's alliance was. The David versus Goliath trio have an alliance, question mark, based on. on season, but both Mike and Angelina tried voting out Christian multiple times, L.O.L. So while he was trying to activate Gabby trauma, he actually activated Mike trauma. Mike used his storytelling abilities to try to take Christian out multiple times on David versus Goliath. I mean, it pretty much falls in line with what we were saying. I think Gabby, it's almost like she played. You know, I think she has it and has like a PhD and other things too. She has a very good read on the situation.

And she watched that episode with Christian. I saw the clip Davey posted of the two of them watching it. And she did not know that that scene was about to become about her. Watching her kind of be like, hey, look, I'm on Survivor 50. Oh, no, not for this. Good times. Yeah. Crazy.

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So I don't think I have anything to say here unless either of you do. I don't think he'd even want to, honestly. Like, you'd be like, whatever. Yeah. All right. Then we can move to Appendix A, which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak than the strong and the weak than the strong.

Before we move into the discussion of what happened this week, I do want to mention the conversation between Emily and Ozzy at the beginning of the episode. Because they affirmed that they made the right decision in voting out Q last time, even though it could lead to more challenge losses. Emily told us, while getting rid of one of our strongest players may not work out well for us when it comes to challenges, the strength in the loyalty of the people that I'm working with is probably more important.

I was like, yes, yes, she even used the word strength in the same way I do here. It was practically a shout out to this part of the rules as far as I'm concerned. And I even mentioned last week how Q himself discussed this in an interview and summarize things well but complained about it. So he understood it, but complained. Emily understood it and worked with it.

Yes, but even loyalty doesn't stop you from going to tribal councils and testing that loyalty. Well, right, but if you test it and it works out, then you're fine. Yeah, but when the numbers dwindle and there's number testing they can be done, just decisions need be made. So far she and Ozzy does. We'll see. Yeah. And look at Ozzy. The old Ozzy would have never said, I'm okay we're going back to tribal council.

This new Ozzy said, hey, there's strength and loyalty. I get to keep Emily flipping here. I just want Angela out. Look at him. Yeah. And then he's going to go fishing. It ain't one fishing. It ain't one fishing. Thank you, Ozzie. Come on, man. A step and a half back. He was a step and a half back. He's coming. He's getting there. He's coming. Now, getting to what happened this time, we are close enough to the merge that things are starting to towards voting out the strong, at least in the eyes of the players making the decision this time. But I think I've made it pretty clear by now what my thought is on that matter, which is

they should have gone with the person who had the weakest alliance within the tribe one more time. Get rid of the outlier. And that really is a question looming over this section. Because to me, it just would have made so much more sense. She came into the swap targeting Angela. that should have been enough reason for Mike and Angelina to want her gone. And if Mike had not spent so much energy trying to turn Christian against Emily, which reminded him of the danger that Mike posed, I think Christian probably would have gone along with it. If Mike had just said, let's get rid of her.

She's the outlier. It's the easy vote. You don't have to decide. Let's just do it. And more importantly, she will go along with anyone who needs her as a number. I think she switched her vote at least three times in this one episode. How can anyone trust that she will go with them in the future?

It's like you just need to be the last person to talk to her, which you can almost never guarantee. And even more importantly, as I mentioned, we're approaching the merge. She is going to run right back to her original tribe. She will never be a long-term ally to any of, of these players. Getting rid of her now should have been the easiest decision ever. But when Rob asked Mike why she wasn't to target, and he just, you know, it was one of these

non-answer answers. He wanted to go after Emily specifically, like you mentioned, Chappelle, because of the speech at the prior tribal council. He wanted to play a game based on finding people who would be loyal and that clearly was not going to be Emily. But again, that doesn't really answer the question other than to say I focused on Emily instead of the easy vote. He didn't acknowledge that it was the easy vote because just looking at what he said, if you really want to find people who are going to be loyal, then it's not going to be her anymore that it's going to be Emily.

And it just seems to me like he didn't see her. at all as a threat. So therefore, she could be ignored. But again, I said it earlier, he had plenty of time to worry about Emily and work on Christian rather than trying to do it right now. Get rid of the easy person. It's 24 hours between tribal councils. If you have an easy vote, my God, get rid of that person. And then you can work on the things that are going to take longer. Yes, but we have trauma that's happening here. So we do. We do. We got to go to therapy first. Mike opening up this womb with Christian,

it didn't allow them to get on the same page to have this conversation. You think Christian and Mike couldn't have that same exact, you know, they could have that same moment you just had, David, where they could sit there and say,

okay, you don't want, you don't want Angelina to go. I don't want Emily to go. What can we do? You know, okay, well, we want to work with Ozzie, what do we look like,

what do we look like voting out, Stephanie? What is that, you know, what do we got to do? Do we need to leave Ozzie out of that vote because he's not going to go for it? But when Christian, when Mike makes his move

toward Emily, which he's probably doing, like I said, because he wants to separate Emily from Christian. He probably looks at Emily as a threat right now. You know, so he's like, all right, let's go for Emily. Christian sees the Godzilla come out the water. And he's like, I got to cake out the lizard. Got to take him out first. And that pushes Stephanie so far down the pecking order.

But you're right. The easy vote was right there. But we had to go to therapy first. We had to talk out these issues. And you can just start talking about, oh, well, remember how evil Gabby was? He's like, yeah, but you were more evil. You were more evil. You know, you'll go to be out.

There's a lot there. It's heavy. That's right. He never should have gotten to that point. Just bring up the easy vote and you never have to go there. You can hold on to that weapon for later when you have more time to massage and get more people and maybe not even need Christian. Maybe they make it to the merge.

And Mike has all these other allies because Mike has lots of friends. Yeah. And he doesn't even need Christian at that point. point to go against Emily. I'm sure he knows it's a bad move now. That choice. Yeah. On the recap, the RHP recap, Sam Phelan said he didn't think Emily would have wanted to vote out the other woman because that would have given the trio all the power.

And Mike and Angelina wouldn't want it because it gives Christian the swing vote power. So basically the same thing you said way at the top of the podcast. And yeah, I mean, that does make. sense. But the problem is her willingness to go with anyone still gives that swing vote power. Even now, after Christian got her to vote the way he wanted this time, he might be able to do it again. Let's say he decided he does want to get out Emily now. And he's going to side with Angelina and her. I'm sure he could convince her to do it again. So it doesn't really help get rid of that swing vote. issue.

Yeah. Well. Trauma. Yeah. Trauma. Trauma. Trauma. Trauma. Trauma, yeah.

But anyway, once the series of decisions began and her name never came up, it turned into a debate about which strong player would go instead. And Christian was indeed the decision maker at that point. He could have gone with Mike and Angelina to vote out Emily or gone with Emily and Ozzy to vote on Angelina or, you know, what he actually did, which create a new path to turn people against Mike. We spent a fair amount of time in Rule 6 discussing why Mike was such a threat. So it's clear there were good reasons for that decision. And really, when else would he have an opportunity like this?

You know, the three, two, one, pull it off. It's a sexy move. Yes. It is sexy. And Mike is only going to become a bigger threat the further he gets in the game. The more allies he gathers. and of course, most importantly, the thing we've been talking about, Mike was actively trying to manipulate Christian,

which was a cause for Christian to get voted out last time they played. Mm-hmm. There it is again. Yeah. So now, to me, one difference between Mike and Emily, Emily wants to work with Christian, but keeps unintentionally doing things that could bite him. these are not unintentional.

I think they are. Oh, hey, do you want to know all the secrets? It's unintentional. You don't say anything. Okay. Mouse is working before brain is activated, that type of unintentional. Insane. Insane.

Whereas you have Mike, who is being very intentional. I think it is better to get rid of the person who is doing it unintentionally. and especially since Emily has been an ally since day one, and by all accounts is also a good friend outside the game. And when, yes, Emily did spill some of the things to Ozzy, but she did not actually spill the vote, which was what. Well, that was because Christian got behind Ozzy. But that shows it was unintentional.

When she was reminded, like when he was right there, reminding her in her face, like, don't do this. Oh, well, then she stopped. But here's the other side of Emily Flippin that I think is fascinating is that it might appear that she is unintentionally doing these things. But then she sits in tribal counsel and talks about how basically she doesn't give a shit about who you are, if it's going to help her, if it's going to benefit her, she's going to cut you because that's the way this game is. That's why we all signed up for it, right? Like you basically have to be crazy to put yourself in a situation like this and be willing to do this to people that you would otherwise not want

to treat this way. You know, so she's, there is a part of her that is very aware of what she is doing, although it appears as if she just kind of has diarrhea of the mouth and just says it when she, but she says it with a purpose because if you go back to when the whole thing with the Aubrey has an idol, you know, little, the whispering that that was happening on the mat, she was offended that they hadn't told her. And so her, I'm going to go tell those people. I'm going to go tell them, them, right? Like, I'm going to go let them know that, uh, that Aubrey has an idol and that I just learned this information because she was frustrated with Christian. So that is not necessarily

unintentional. It's very intentional, but it's more of a knee jerk reaction intentional. And then afterwards, you're like, shit. I probably shouldn't have said that. And that's what I mean by, like, that's what I mean by unintentional, I guess. You're right. It was a knee jerk reaction. That's the perfect word very reactionary, like a reflex. Yeah. Whereas Mike is thinking everything through. Oh, he's conniving and coming. Yes, there's a complete difference there.

But I think that that makes him very, very scary. But it makes Emily also scary because you have no idea what she's going to say when. And she can completely blow up your whole game just because all of a sudden she's like frustrated or annoyed with you. And then she's going to tell someone who she shouldn't tell. And then afterwards, like there's no backsees. You know, you can't undo what's already been said. And so I just, I feel like that is a very scary player to align yourself. So you're, they're both scary for different reasons.

Right. Right. And that's, you know, in that situation, I would rather stick with the one who is at least somewhat handleable. If not, you know, like you can, you can work with Emily. You can work on Emily. It's not always going to turn out the way you think, but you could work. Mike is not handleable because Mike thinks he,

he's handling you. Yeah. And that's true. However, Christian clearly handled Mike, right? So there is, if you give yourself props, and if you're Christian,

and if you say, I got this, and I know that I can handle Mike because I'm on to him. I know what Mike is doing. And that, I think, gives you power to then handle Mike

in a way that maybe Mike doesn't think is actually happening, right? Whereas Emily, I do think is much more, of a problem because she can't control when her mouth is going to start spewing the information you shared with her, which can negatively affect your game immediately. Whereas like Mike, it's long term. It's like it's in the shadows. It's lurking. You know that it's there. You know

Mike isn't just going to blow up your spot in two seconds. Whereas Emily May. And so, so I think that there is, if you're Christian and you think that you can handle it, this is why like this move, it was, yes, it was sexy and it was, I'm going to do this now. And I understand why he wanted to do it because, boy, he's been wanting to do it for seven years. So how do you pass up this moment when you have this delicious opportunity? But I still think that he could have pulled it off later if he had said, no, I know, I see what's happening. And I can actually use this to my benefit. Like he wants to play my emotions.

Okay, we can play that game because I know what he's doing. But he wanted to make a move now and he did. and he is satisfied that that itch that he's had for so long. No more trauma. He's not fight with Angelina for the rest. He got to fight with Angelina for the rest of the season. I'm sure it's fine.

Oh my God. That is going to be his trauma. What? Not to get into our predictions. I don't think that. I don't think that'll last enough. Her step is still sinking. But I think you're right.

He did handle Mike this time. He handled Mike on his way to the survivor grave. I don't know that he. he could have handled Mike. I don't know how long you can fool Mike for. Oh, and I'm certain that that was a huge concern. Because if you have the, if you have the opportunity and again,

game for a million dollars, you take your shot when you can take it. Because we've seen it more often than not, where people say, we can vote them out next time. We can vote them out next time. And we see it all the time. And then that person keeps moving along in the game.

They keep getting closer and closer than. And everybody keeps saying, we'll get them next time. It's fine. that's the easy vote. That's the vote everyone's going to agree on. And then that person said in the final three and you're like, what happened? Yeah.

Yeah. Nobody pulled the trigger. Right. Right. I do want to at least address the question of should they have, should he have just voted out Angelina? It would have been easy in the moment because he wouldn't have had to lie to Ozzie. Christian wouldn't have had to.

But then he would have had to deal with an angry Mike White instead. I just, there would have been no point. Basically, I'm only bringing. it up to say there would have been no point in doing it. If you're going to turn on the David versus Goliath alliance, go for the head. Don't chop off the tail. Yeah. I'm very shocked that he didn't just vote out, Emily.

To me, I hear what both of y'all are saying, for sure, because it's like Mike White, you know he can move the hearts and minds of people. He does it professionally, and he talks about it in tribal council. And then, you know, Emily is a mercenary. She's just out there for whoever's for herself. So both of them are dangerous. But what you're not about to do is blow up my plan twice.

Twice in a row. Like the idol thing with Aubrey, she could have just come to him. They were all the same. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. So that alone. Right.

That alone, I was like, ah, she got to go. And then to now do this again, I'm like, all right, you have twice, twice you have foiled my plan. Yeah. Like that. And you can come it back to me. So just off of that, I guess, I don't even want to call it petty because I think that's actually a decent reason. Someone keeps betraying your trust. You vote them out.

So I think for me, I was shocked that it wasn't just, you know what? Honestly, I got this three-person alliance. We can mend this fence with Ozzy later on. What's he going to do? What are him and Stephanie going to do? We're just going to take this to vote out, Emily. Instead, what Christian does is the nuclear option. He pisses off Ozzy, pisses off Angelina.

Stephanie's still a mercenary. And now all he has is really Emily flipping? Mm-hmm. I mean, you say you say you want to vote out the person who blows up your plan. How many blowing up plans is equal to blowing up your entire game? Right. Yeah, which plan will be the one that broke the camel's back? You know, like the next plan could be the last plan, you know.

But he already knows about the person who blew up his entire game. And that was Mike. So he knows the power there. What I'm saying. It's trauma. He knows the power there. I think that just outweighs the yes, she did it, but she apologized. And she didn't quite blow up the second time because I caught her.

So maybe Mike apologized for all the stuff he did to him on David versus Glythe. He can't heal without voted out Mike White. He got to heal. This was therapy. He voted him out for his peace. Now he can sleep at night. He ain't worry about Emily. He can sleep at night now knowing Mike White not there trying to get him out again.

That's all you need. Peace of mind. That's right. All right. Well, it is about time to wrap things up on Mike. So Chappelle, what are your final thoughts on? him. He wanted the sexy move. You know, he wanted the sexy move.

I love Mike White. I've been a very loud, loud defender of Mike White's game for David versus Goliath. I've said since the day I can speak about it, that Mike White was robbed the first time. He played an incredible game. And I think a lot of his skills were at play here. You know, he has a huge

target on his back being that he is Mike White, but the things we saw him doing. We actually saw him doing the things he said he's going to do, lowering his threat level, the way he talked about himself, the way he played the game. But also knowing that he's lying. He's not. He's not, oh, I'm just an old guy who just wants to have fun. He's not. Because why do you have abs, Mike White? Really, why do you have abs? You know, you should get apps for fun. You, okay, fine. The man came out here to play the game. And he was doing a good job.

And it just didn't work out. He tried to manipulate somebody who has been waiting on him to try to manipulate him. You know, he came beating on the door of somebody who was standing outside with a gun. And that's, and that sucks. Sometimes it works, right? For a less talented player than Christian, maybe you don't suffer this fate. For somebody who has been waiting for seven years to reconcile their feelings for the game that they, the thing that they should have did in the game they played with you last time, he just kind of hit a wall. So I'm sad to see Mike White go.

Yes, very sad. And I do think that there's a special place in this world for survivor induced trauma, which we haven't addressed much of it in this podcast. It doesn't leave. It sits and festers. and if you have an opportunity to revisit that person on an island again, I think it's really hard to just talk that away and not focus all of your energy and attention on it,

especially when it gets brought up and used against you in the way that Mike White was trying to do it. So it's really, really hard to fault him for wanting to really fix that unresolved issue that he had that had been festering for seven years. And I think it's fascinating that Mike White said in his pregame, press. I just think that our mission here is to create an exciting season. And I feel like that's what I want to do. I want to win. But I also feel like winning is my version of winning would be to keep it exciting and then still somehow win it. But keeping it exciting means maybe keeping

players in who are to others a huge threat and somebody that you definitely want to take out. I feel like it'd be fun to sit with Surrey and Ozzie at the end. So that feels like maybe a different strategy than maybe some other people might have, which I think is fascinating that that was the mindset that he was going into season 50 with. He wasn't about to play a simple game. He wanted to play an exciting game. He wanted it to be fun for viewers. Sexy, exactly. He wanted to make a show, but he did want to win, but he also wanted to win against people that most others wouldn't want to sit next to because what does that then elevate you to? legendary status, right? And this is Mike White, who did come with abs. He was ready to play season

50. And I think we saw a different version of Mike this time. Mike wants to be the sole survivor. He wants that title, but he also wants to be in the Mike White way. And that's what Mike White does. He writes television shows and movies and he creates stories and he creates drama and he creates feelings and that's what he was wanting to do. Unfortunately, this isn't White Lotus. You don't have the ending all worked out before you get there. You know, there's no script and there's no cameos. It's real life. It's real people who unfortunately are all fighting for a million dollars and some have trauma. And you ended up on a tribe with someone who you had helped create some long-term issues for. So unfortunately in the end, Mike, we don't get to see you anymore. However,

congratulations on writing the next season of White Lotus while you were on sabbatical for three weeks. That's pretty awesome. You got to do that when nobody knew where you were. So you'll be fine, Mike in this world. Of course, you will be because you are Mike White and you do great things. Unfortunately, we find ourselves talking about you sooner than we had expected, but it was great to watch for sure. Yeah. Well, Christian said in the pregame that he wanted to steal Mike White's narrative powers. And he did. In fact, Mike tried to use those powers against him to get him to flip on a close ally. Instead, Christian deflected that attack and turned it around on him. He came in ready for Mike, which blunted Mike's power over him. Even when his shot about Gabby seemed to

hit home emotionally, Christian recalled who the true danger to his game was. We need to remember, as Christian did, that Mike made it to the end his first time. He could have probably, probably one if he hadn't backed off in that final tribal council speech. He was as big a threat as anyone here. And nobody knew that better than Christian. But in case he'd forgotten, even a little bit, Mike reminded him by trying to push too hard too soon. There was another player ripe for the picking off, just sitting there. And really, just sitting there seems to describe her game so far.

She had no allies on this tribe, but did have them on her original. tribal and will undoubtedly go back to them at the merge. She had no loyalty to Mike or anyone else here, as shown by the way she so easily moved from vote to vote this week. If Mike had simply targeted her as the easy vote, not the sexy vote, I will admit, but the easy vote, none of this would have happened. But when Emily and Ozzy came for Angelina, he overreacted. He thought he could rely on his friendship with Christian and what he believed was his knowledge of Christian's psychic. he had no idea what had been bubbling away in Christian's brain for all these years. But again, all of that could still have been avoided at least for now.

In the pregame, Mike told Mike Bloom, I definitely feel like it would be a great story if he somehow got his revenge on me. Mike, you got your story. So it was somewhat surprising to find out he and Christian haven't talked since then. I have to say if someone asked me before the season began to pick people who came away with hurt feelings and bitterness extending beyond the game, I would not have gone with Mike and Christian. But Mike's pregame relationships with both Angelina and Christian helped lead to him getting voted out. He had said he couldn't be responsible for Angelina's game. And if she blew it up, he wasn't going to go down with the ship.

Yet trying to save that ship was what caused him to convince Christian to get on board. And he trusted Christian enough that he never saw it coming, even though that trust was combined with a large helping of attempted control. I mentioned earlier that Mike had said in an interview, I felt like I have this relationship with these guys. I'm just going to say what I think. And so I did, which led to my demise.

Is that actually what led to him being voted out? Partially. He obviously shouldn't have told Christian that. But more importantly than that, He shouldn't have made that decision to begin with. And that is why Mike lost. Drama. Sounds good.

Man, that's tough. Can you really be friends with somebody who's been pining on voting you out for seven years, Jess? I don't think so. I think that friendship was, you know, bound to fall apart at some point. Yeah, I mean, it's, it really is like Christian has, it's like he's, like he's, hate to say this, but it's like he's created his own character for his own movie where it's like the person who is like the villain who is just waiting for the moment to strike and is waiting years to do so. Like he had no idea that they were ever going to play this game together again.

And then all of a sudden it's like here it is. Here's your moment. It's very scary. As I said, at the beginning of his mind, I think it's a little scary that he's been like laying awake at night in his bed just imagining what it would feel like to take out Mike White and then did. Well, we know how you got voted out of Survivor, but do you have a thing that you still sit back and say, like, if that did this one thing different? Oh, 100%.

So you think you would have maybe a similar trajectory if you were to play again? Like, it would be that one. Like, because we see, we haven't talked about them at all because they don't matter. But we see Charlie and Rizzo, right? And Charlie's thing is like, I'd be damned if I let somebody else do.

Like if I let me. Another Maria Fester, right? You have the thing that sticks in your crawls? Is it just the rocks? Well, it's actually associated to it. So going into that tribal council, I mean, there were so many, you know, conversation that had had and there were so many things happening. And at one point during the tribal council, like, people were threatening to, like, everyone

dump out your bags because we wanted to know who had what. And I was, like, panicking because I had the legacy. And I was like, oh, my God, I don't want anybody to know that I have that. And what I should have said. And this was before people got out of their seats. just when everybody like this that started the next yeah so like you did not move and you didn't think you could like that you had assigned seats and you had to sit there and will was all the way at the opposite end and i was sitting at the opposite end of will and i had jay in my ear just like

just just flip on you know it doesn't matter just vote her out and i was like what like i was so there's a lot of things happening regardless what i wish i had done was been like hey i need to talk to will and I need to go find out what Will is doing because I have this legacy that I could give him right now if he's willing to flip and vote out Zeke and that could have changed everything. But my head was not, that was not where my head was on in that moment.

There were so many things going on that I never even thought to myself, oh, wait, I can do that right now. Like I can try to change things right now. So that's what I go back to all the time. So next time you're getting up at the first tribal council. You're like, I got something to say.

Excuse me, language. I just said that allowed. Yes, yes, I am. I am not sitting. I am, forget all that stuff. When you play the first time, you were, they, you are so afraid of everything that production tells you. And I was getting in trouble a lot because I was doing things like I wasn't supposed to do.

And so, you know, it's one of those things you're like, all right, I'm going to push here, but I'm not going to push there. I'm pushing everywhere next time if that happens. Yeah. Cool. Excuse my language. I'm so sorry if I offended. No, I always do this.

Every time we do come on Wags, I'm all, it's like, now, Jess, tell me about your trauma. You know? Like, how often do you get to ask a survivor player about these kind of things? I'm always like, yeah, so tell me more. Yeah, I don't mind you asking. There's definitely survivor trauma. That is a real thing.

Yes. Yeah. And then I'm not in the game. Come on, Jeff. Put me in the goddamn game, all right? That's right. The rocks. The rocks game.

Come on. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Nothing about me. We have to do predictions, right? Well, before we get to our predictions, I do want to mention that next week, we will have a new special guest as Stephen Ram from last season joins us.

Oh, okay. So, yeah, he, he, he, he binge, listen to our podcast to prepare for going out there. So, you know, so that will be fun to have him on this end of, of the podcast. Also, want to remind everyone, of course, in case, you know, you've forgotten it during this hour and a half that we've talked, but you can, of course, get the rules that we just discussed in poster form or in poster on a t-shirt form or in checklist as a t-shirt form. So you can go to Rob has a website.com slash y-X lost feed for any or all of those. Now, Chappelle, I know you're very difficult to find, but where can people reach you and find you and listen to you and

everything else. Well, first, thank y'all again for having me. I always enjoy being included in the YX loss, uh, rolladex of people who get to come here and talk about the rules. Uh, if you want to follow me on social media at recap kickback. That's my podcast. Uh, that's what it's called, but I'm on all social media platforms at recap kickback. Uh, you can check out my YouTube page, YouTube.com slash at recap kickback. I'm talking about some things. Uh, I did a, uh, uh, breakdown of the Sepia's game of Survivor a couple weeks ago. So that's up. There's some visuals in there. I was in my editing bag. Nice. Did you know

who helped her get her torch? Oh, who? Oh, you do know something about Survivor. I do. I do. I do. It was back when I was running my website. And someone reached out to me and said,

I won her torch on in the auction. Do you know how I can get in touch with her to give it to her. So I reached out to my CBS contact and they worked it out there. That's incredible. Yeah, that's probably one of the few things she has

from that season. It's not like they pay a lot of homage to Marquesas. But yeah, if you want to hear our breakdown of that game, you can just follow my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash every kept kickback. But yeah, thank y'all again for having me. We still have more to talk about. You can't run away.

I got to make, yeah. I make prediction, yeah. Yeah, that's it. Oh, and should I talk about what you can find me? I'm at Jessica Lewis 89 on both Blue Sky and Twitter and at Jessica Lewis 6-789 on Instagram. However, my social media platform is nothing compared to the man who sits next to me. David Bloomberg has taken over the social media scene on so many platforms. He has a link to free.

He literally is. He's everywhere. The guy who didn't want to do video podcasting is now, making so many videos of himself talking about everything you can imagine. So here is his Linktree. So David Bloomberg, why don't you tell them where they can find you? Yes, you could find that at Linktree slash David Bloomberg, or you can find me directly on Blue Sky at David Bloomberg.

And on video sites, YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram, I'm at David Bloomberg TV. I have been continuing to post two or three reality TV short videos every day. I say reality TV right now, it's almost all, if not all, Survivor 50 at this point. Who knows? maybe I'll post something about House of Villains or the new jury duty that just came out. There's a new one?

Oh, God. Yes. Jerry Dury Company retreat, I believe. Yes. Oh, that's awesome. I've only watched like the first 15 minutes of it so far because like I was preparing for this podcast. But also I will be recording a couple special episodes

of the Trade Our podcast soon. We will be talking about advice for how to win as a trader and then another episode on how to win if you're faithful. These are not a new version of my rules. Don't get it that way, but there will be some overlap. You're going to hear some of the same things that you hear for my rules. But this is with the, you know, the Tradar host and another frequent co-host. And we'll be recording those, you know, in the next few days they should be popping up

in the TradeR feed that's T-R-A-I-D-A-R. So with that, we move to predictions. And next week, we are finally getting the double tribal council we expected. Now, I would swear I heard Rob speculate on one of the podcasts, I think the one with Tina, that it could be two tribes in a single tribal council. I hate to disagree with the boss, but I highly doubt that.

We need to start cutting people. They are not going to have a double tribal and not cut two people at this point. that would make me so angry maybe they'll have a double tribal but two people are going like maybe they put everybody together that's more of an Australian Survivor type of

do you watch Australian Survivor they do that a lot I love that idea I've seen parts of it I don't watch it as much as I should because I feel like it's more in line with what I prefer about survivor at this point so

yeah no Dave it's not wrong like I think I mean even recently that we've had votes where it's like okay, whoever gets the most votes out of the, like, the most two, those two people who get the most votes who both go, you know, and so that would be very Australian survivor. I don't know if the U.S. got it in them.

I don't think Jeff has that. I would love it if they did. Also, also, we haven't even seen one of these tribes vote yet. So why not have them vote single, singly as a unit, just as an individual tribe? And, you know, they don't have a country singer to bring in and fill up part of the time. so they need two tribal councils. Part of the time, a lot of the time.

Yes. So there is one tribe that will obviously be going, and that is VATU. I just don't even think there's a debate on that. I think the other tribe going will be Kalo. Though after Kalo won the last challenge, it's not quite as clear as I otherwise would have thought it would be. But that is my prediction for the two tribes, as far as that goes. let me start with VATU because we've already spent all this time discussing them and I don't think any of us disagree with this with that.

I think we will start the episode with Ozzie complaining that nobody told him what was happening when he was off fishing instead of joining in the strategic conversations. And then Emily will calm him down and he'll still be mad but he'll be at like a lower simmer instead of an all out boil. but what will make him happier is Emily and Christian will promise him to vote out Angelina this time. No, we really mean it this time. Honestly, Ozzy. This time. And nobody on the tribe has any reason to keep her anymore. Nobody.

Right. The other woman wanted her out from the start. Christian doesn't want to hear it from Angelina about Mike. And Emily and Ozzy wanted her gone from the beginning too. So I. Yeah, but Emily was talking to. Angelina and was excited to work with her. Remember that?

Yeah, okay. I mean, was, you know. She's saying she was. Yeah. I mentioned earlier that Mike's ship was sunk. Then she's going to tell Angelina, we're voting you out because I can't keep a secret. Well. You know, Mike's ship was sunk, but Angelinas was still sailing.

I do not expect that ship to still be above water by the end of next week. Wouldn't it be fascinating if she plays a shot in the dark? they finally mentioned it for the first time all season. Someone was like, hey, what about that shot in the dark? I said, oh, y'all are doing that in 50? I didn't know. No one had been saying anything about it. Right, right.

Is there a world where Angelina, Stephanie, and Ozzie could come together and be like, well, screw Christian and Emily. They left us out of this thing. Why are we at the bottom? Why don't we take control? I mean, there's a world, but I can't see Ozzie doing that. He's pissed off by everybody. It's not like he has a tight.

ally anymore. You know, he could go anyway. I feel like Ozzy should be more self interested. I feel like if I'm Ozzy, I'm going to the highest bidder. Yeah, I feel like he should be more self-interested. I think he should go to the highest bitter. And it doesn't necessarily mean as Christian. You know, Christian just burned you. He could have told you about this. You know, he didn't.

You probably wouldn't have liked it, but he could have told you about this. What about Emily, who made the promise to him? Same. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just he's not loyal to any of them. I just think he'll go back to them anyway. You know, I think he's got to go somewhere.

Yeah, he's got to go somewhere. And I just, it's hard to go from wanting Angelina out so badly to saying, okay, now I'll work with her. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's, I think Emily's going to menage him and make him feel better. And then be like, we'll get her out this time. I promise this time. Yeah. Ozzie, love yourself.

King. Get out of this. This is an abusive relationship. When you get to the merge, go with honor and integrity people. And three, you don't need these people anymore. They don't love you. Yeah. He'll go back to Surrey.

He run back to run fast. Yes. Right. Yes. Very fast. Now, as for the Kalo tribe, here's what I'm thinking. Well, first of all, it's more complicated. I foresee one of two things happening, but both of them end up at the same point.

Either Genevieve isn't in this greatest spot as she believes. And all of that immediate scheming at the beginning of the swap will have actually made people suspicious. of her. But we just don't know that yet because we haven't heard from them. Or Genevieve really does have them on her side and they will try to vote off Aubrey. But of course, Aubrey has an idol. Aubrey has said she's not afraid to use it. Aubrey knows she's in a bad spot. The real question is whether Genevieve believes that she has it, as Q has indicated in his post-game interviews, or if she no longer thinks so. If she does believe Aubrey has it, she will need a backup target.

And this is where what I mentioned about Tiffany, I think I mentioned it in the podcast, I can't remember if I mentioned it, maybe I mentioned it beforehand, that as far as we know, she doesn't realize Tiffany is against her. So who would they make the backup? up. I'm not sure. I also don't know that it matters because if they think Aubrey has nobody, they might just throw one vote somewhere. You know, just, okay, we can tie it up and it won't matter. But then, of course, Aubrey has at least two votes. And so this is what I think will happen. I think they will either not split or they will split poorly somehow. Aubrey and Tiffany will vote for Genevieve.

Aubrey will use her idol. Genevieve is gone. One way or the other, I think Genevieve is gone by the end of next episode. I agree with that as well. Unfortunately, but I do. Yeah. It doesn't look great

because we know Genevieve seemingly is singularly focused on Aubrey, who we know has an idol, right? And so it's like, you got to vote for Aubrey in some capacity because you need her to play the thing. she can't just walk around with it forever. So you need to either try to vote her out with it.

You have to call her Rizzo. Well, he got one to him. Thanks to me. Right. Right. And so, so yeah, it'd be hard to see Aubrey going. I don't know if they can find another viable option outside of Genevieve. Like, you know, like we don't, like you said, we don't really know where Tiffany stands.

But if she is like on the bottom of whatever that other alliance is, then yeah, they can, they can very easily. do a split. But I guess if I had to predict something, yeah, it's, it's looking like it's going to be Genevieve for sure. Yeah. What happens in a world where, let's say Genevieve does get voted out? And then eventually Rizzo gets voted out. And then that idol, he doesn't play his idol. Like, it's supposed to go back to the person who gave it. So does it just go back into the game? Or does it ever go back into the game? Like, is it, does it come back as another Billy Eilish or is it a real fresh idol, you know, at that point? I think they tend to go with normal idols once you get to that point.

Once it goes back to the game, like the new era, most if not all of the new era, I think, like even when you use to beware advantage, you know, to get an idol. Once that idol was used, I think it circled back in as a regular idol. Are there any regular idols in the game? Now, no. We're just in the Billy Alice era now, like all the idols you got to give to somebody else? Yes. Okay. Yeah.

And this, Genevieve's found two. Two idols and she doesn't have any. That sucks. Yeah. They replace. Beware with B.E. Billy Irish, you know. Yeah.

Okay. I guess. I don't hate it. But I don't love it either. You know, I'm just kind of like, I'm waiting on it to pay some dividends, I guess.

I mean, if it works out for Aubrey, it'll be because Genevieve found an idol that she can't use. Yeah. Two idols she can't use. That's the hysterical part. Like you have zero. Yeah.

That's awful. So you're going with the Genevieve idea also? I'm going to make, yeah, because I mean the alternative is probably to me, the alternative is Tiffany. And don't get me wrong. Black people historically don't do great at the split tribal councils. You know, they split the place. They send both tribes of tribal council.

We lose and one of y'all. And so maybe history points to it be at Tiffany, but I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and say, you know, maybe. I don't know. I don't even really want Genevieve. go. I like the conflict in the tribe, you know? Yeah, right. No, you know, respectfully, send Kobe out.

I'm not saying I want it. I'm just saying what I'm predicting. I, you know, I'm going to predict Kobe goes. I don't know how. But I'd much rather have Genevieve and Aubrey there fighting, uh, as opposed to losing one of them, you know, like, uh, okay, Kobe, you can go. You know, I love it.

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As always, you always bring such great insight and fun and just an awesome time. So thank you so much for the Chappelle moment that we got to have at the beginning of this podcast. It was all about you. It really was, as it should be. Because it should be. I mean, it's why Blink lost, but Chappelle was. here. So it's about Chappelle. Right. It's like a donut podcast, you know, on the outside Chappelle and in the middle, not much. Is it a donut, right? That's what we call it. Yeah.

Yes, let me echo that. Thank you very much, Chappelle. Thank you for bringing your sexy moves. And, you know, always fun when you can join us here. Thank you, Jessica. And as always, always fun. Anytime. So we will see everyone in a week. Next time, as I mentioned, we will have Stephen on from last season. We will, like I said, see you then,

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