RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 6 w/ Adam Klein

Episode Date: April 4, 2026

Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 6 w/ Adam Klein The Blood Moon twist resulted in three players being voted out of Survivor 50. Colby knew he was a goner, Genevieve was pretty sure, and Kamilla was completely blindsided. But all shared some similarities in the way their games ended. It would be easy to say it was all just bad luck, and certainly the impact of that can’t be ignored! But there is more to it, as Adam Klein joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to look at everything that led up to these bad situations. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Kamilla, Genevieve, and Colby Lost. Survivor 50’s “Why _ Lost” is back as David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis welcome special guest Adam Klein to untangle a whirlwind merge episode that shakes the season to its core. With the show’s 10th podcast anniversary in the air, Survivor 50 delivers one of its toughest nights yet, a triple elimination at the notorious “Blood Moon.” The hosts break down whether luck or strategy is truly to blame as Kamilla, Genevieve, and Colby see their games cut short in a twist-heavy vote. This episode digs deep into the triple boot, where 17 castaways hit the beach for merge only to be split into smaller random groups, throwing social capital and alliance-building out the window. Kamilla finds herself blindsided by an alliance shift and Jonathan’s surprise decision. Genevieve, despite nabbing not one but two idols (that she’s forced to give away!), meets her fate in a group stacked against her. Colby gets stuck without a vote and faces his legendary “head of the snake” label alongside lingering physical injury. Through it all, David, Jessica, and Adam ask: did strategic errors, old-school reputations, or pure bad luck flip the game on its head? Cirie’s surgical alliance-building and her “not really old school” take on loyalty versus adaptability The ripple effects of secret (and not-so-secret) pregame alliances like the “Zoom Alliance” and how openly sharing information impacts trust Kamilla’s and Genevieve’s efforts to read the room and bluff their way out of trouble, and what happens when everyone knows your next move How a chaotic twist and rock draws can undercut weeks of social work, and whether being a Survivor “legend” is more curse or blessing at a merge Classic Survivor trauma: the merge vote that wasn’t, and the struggles of playing from the bottom after a surprise split Will future players try to outsmart production twists, or will luck always leave someone empty-handed? Which new alliances will rise now that big social anchors are gone, and can the “Honor and Integrity” group survive being outnumbered in the next vote? 0:00 Podcast Rules Song Introduces Hosts 6:00 Cirie’s Alliance Strategy Debated 12:00 Honor and Integrity vs Gameplay 24:00 Genevieve’s Unlucky Game Moments 30:00 Kamilla’s Strategic Merge Troubles 42:00 Genevieve Pushes Against Aubrey 48:00 Colby’s Premerge Game Complications 1:06:00 Zoom Alliance Secrets Leak 1:12:00 Premerge Decisions Haunt Colby 1:18:00 Aubrey and Genevieve Rivalry Grows 1:24:00 Kamilla’s Threat Level Discussed 1:30:00 Colby Head of Snake Target Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serve To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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I'm David Bloomberg and unlike Jeff, I will not moon everyone. Whitby, of course, is my co-host, Jessica Lewis, who is perfectly placed for this merge episode because also joining us is the winner of Millennials v. Gen X and our friend Adam Klein. Thank you guys for having me. In an alternate reality, I'm sitting there with the I Got a Rock sweatshirt. Yes. Yes, in that alternate universe. Well, you did get a rock. You just got the right one.

That's all. I got the wrong one. So technically, you could wear the shirt, too. I would say my rock was in the bottom half, you know, considering my closest ally got the bad one. I know. Still still much better than the rock you got. Oh, much better, much better for sure. That's the thing about rock draws.

They're all based on luck. So, which is a topic that will come up here. Yes. Yes. That's why it was appropriate for so many reasons because we can complain about the rock draw here and also the one that I had to suffer through. Can we just say they all lost because of luck and then? Oh, there will be comments saying that.

There will be comments saying that. It's a simple as that, no? So, don't worry. We'll explain why that isn't so. Now, Adam, normally I would ask what's new with you, but you had such a great discussion with Rob last week about the game and life in general. I don't really need to ask you that unless more has happened since then, besides all of the kudos that people have been giving you for that very podcast. I don't even know if you've seen them all.

There have been multiple threads in the patron group and everywhere else. I have seen them. I've been anxiously refreshing the YouTube page every 10 minutes to see what other kind things people have to say about me. And then when I feel a little bit too high on my own supply, I anxiously refreshing. fresh Reddit and get down a few pegs. Nice and even, right in the middle. Yeah, no, I was very blown away by all of the positive feedback. And I just, yeah, it means a lot.

I appreciate that people are rooting for my comeback. And that means a lot. And in the last week, I have, I'm like this close to locking down a place to live. So, yeah, I think so, hopefully. So, yeah, so, I mean, I have a place to live, but it's temporary, right? Yeah. Thank goodness, you have a place to live now.

All right, well, we have a lot to talk about today. A triple elimination is a bit insane, even though that is what I predicted. Some other people did, too. But whether we talk about one, two, or three people, or, you know, even more, not to give Jeff ideas, we will figure out how well those players did by comparing their gameplay to a set of guiding rules for winning. I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since. We use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews, social media, and secret scenes. And the newest published version of the rules can be found by going to rob has website.com slash yX lost feed and clicking on.

on the link bubble appropriately labeled for the survivor rules. Now, normally, this is when we talk about other things we, before we get to the rules. And oftentimes we take like a half hour here. But with us to discuss three players and almost everything being so focused on what led to that outcome, I just want to keep it a little rapid fire here with a few quick points. One of them, Surrey explained the old era. long-term alliance thinking versus new era voting with someone for one or two votes and then flipping. And she thinks old era is going to have a problem.

Now, I want to get both of your brief thoughts on this because to me, what she said, I hate to doubt, sorry, but what she said is not entirely true. Because look at some of the new era winners. Look at how D won. Look at how Savannah won and how Rizzo made it so far by making long-term alliances. It feels like this is a distinction without a difference here. Yeah, I would tend to agree with your sentiment there. I do think that you need to find that happy medium.

Like you have to have the ability to have long-term relationships and find the loyalty. I would say that our season was very representative of people being very loyal, so loyal, it did go to rocks. So I do think there's a lot to be said about finding that core person or that core group, but then also having a willingness to shift and move if needs be. So you have to find that, you really do have to find a happy medium and it can be difficult. But I understand where Surrey is coming from because this new era idea seems to be really like permeating everything

up to this point where everyone's talking to how different the game is. It's really, it's different, but not in that way, I don't think. I think that the name of the game is to make an alliance that is very strong and loyal and then pretend, that it doesn't exist. And I think that that's exactly what the whole thing with trust clusters and voting blocks and never, I mean, maybe not on other seasons, but at least on our season, I knew who my alliance was going into the merge.

There were six of us on a tribe of 13. And the other seven probably should have made an alliance and voted against us, right? But by talking about how everything's loose and all these little groups that are coming together and voting together just right now, I mean, right? Jessica, like, could you name off the, I could name off the six people that were in my head as in my alliance going into the merge. Would you agree with that? Yeah, I would completely agree with that. And I do think that it's, it is interesting to then see within that big group, the littler groups of people who are coming together. and we're a little more loyal to each other than the entire six.

And so I do think that anyone playing the game that is able to acquire a large group, which I don't know, requires a large group of people to actually have six people come together, right? And so this continuously breaking it down to five again from the, that's a whole thing we're probably going to be complaining about too. However, but I do, yes, I do completely agree. I think that it is about a core group coming together. And then from that,

you need to be able to have those relationships, but also not let people know how close to you actually, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one thing I've said, you know, dating back to, well, before your season, whether it was voting blocks or trust clusters or whatever you want to call them, they're all alliances or sub-aligned. You could put a fancy trademark name on it if you want, but they're all alliances.

And so, so, all right, well, good. But pretending it doesn't exist is how you, get the other seven people to not team up against you. Brett, Chris, and Sunday should not have voted with us. That was probably a mistake, right? But they didn't know that there was an alliance of six that they were sort of joining and by voting with us, removing their potential numbers. Yeah. I mean, if you look at Surrey, I think that's what she's doing. I don't know how I've lost count of how many alliances Suria's in here. She has an alliance with Devons and Emily and Christian. She has alliance with Ozzy and Rizzo.

There's probably a D. And D and Camilla. Well, not Camilla anymore, but yeah, D and who else voted with them? D and Camilla and who was the four? I think Rizzo was there. Oh, and Rizzo. Yes.

So, yeah, I mean, she has these alliances. She's not voting with enemies. So, so anyway, it's an interesting, you know, I just, when I heard her say that, I was, I don't think you're right about that, Sarii.

I think she just has more alliances than like, the one main alliance that everybody seems to know about is like Colby, Stephanie, Chrissy, Jonathan, coach, probably like that group.

The Zoom Alliance. The Zoom Alliance are the Integrity Alliance, whatever you want to call it. I love that the Zoom Alliance is also the Integrity Alliance. That's just kind of amusing. Did Chrissy worm her way into this Zoom alliance or was she present for the Zoom? Do we know this yet?

I don't think, well, at least I don't know. Many players have been a little coy about naming, even when Camilla called out, you know, a couple of the people. She made a point of saying, I'm not going to name everybody, just a couple that were in my tribe here. And so I. I don't know. I don't know. Because I can't tell. It feels like there's a chance that maybe Chrissy, like, got taken in by this alliance during the course of the game.

But yeah, hard to know for sure. Right. Right. Now, speaking of the honor and integrity group, my second quick point here is that Jonathan correctly noted that playing an honor and integrity game won't get you the win. He said, you have to do more. You got to make some sort of moves in this game to win. And I'm like, wow, you're right. Look at this.

And meanwhile, coach, Mr. Honesty and Integrity himself, blows it all by telling a horrible lie to Dee about Emily and getting busted. So I thought that was kind of a funny, you know, two things that happened in the same episode there. But then ultimately, I mean, wasn't what Jonathan was saying just sort of to try to trick the audience a little bit because ultimately he does, I mean, I guess to the audience maybe we don't know

about this Zoom alliance or whatever, so it seems like he's switching and making a move, but to those of us who are paying attention to that, it feels like he's just sticking with his alliance. I mean, he had two alliances. And did he? I mean, the one alliance

voted against him the last time, and then he's got one that predate the same that he's his side chip over here. Right? The side alliance. That's not actually like serious. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. Yeah. Well, like I said, we'll talk about it later. But he had an alliance that he was with for almost two weeks, you know? And so, I mean, you know, Adam, how pregame alliances sometimes work and sometimes don't. So it's, I still think he was playing and recognizes the need to play. Now, we'll see from here on out if he sticks to it. So far. I think he's the only one who came into the game saying they were going to change and play harder, who has actually shown any inclination to actually do so rather than reverting to form. Yeah, no, I do think that people have adjusted some of their gameplay for sure,

but he is definitely playing a much different game than we saw him play previously. It is, it does feel structured. It does feel like he has a plan in place and then he's trying to be cognizant of what's happening around him. So I am impressed with him thus far. All right. And the last thing that I have for these quick points, and this is a really quick point, Aubrey, she said, the blood moon is seriously the biggest twist in survivor history. And I'm like, Aubrey, maybe you forgot that little thing called Edge of Extinction. Are you blocking out that season? Probably. Yeah. Or that damn hourglass. Yes, the hourglass. So we're already down to

to three. We're already down to third place at the best, at the best. So, yeah, come on. I blocked out the hourglass too. Yes, yeah. I forgot about that one. Well, you went back in time and forgot about it. That's why. Oh, that's what it was. Yeah. Can we go back in time? I've got some things I need to go back and change. Reach a little bit to the right. Yeah. Yeah. Just just move my hand over just a little bit. All right, but we do still have our semi-regular segment, which, I mean, I call it semi-regular, but so far it's been regular. The CBS Morning's crew is wrong about blank.

And Gail King once again showed her cluelessness about how the game works by saying she couldn't believe they voted Colby out after his emotional statements in tribal council as if that's the way people decide who to vote out. Also

as if those emotional statements were not caused by the fact that he knew he was getting voted out. I'm impressed that they're watching. I don't think they are. doing a segment on the morning, you know. I think they're being shown five minutes of each episode in order to, in order to ask a question.

And someone else is probably writing the questions for them. When's the last time we, we had survivors going on talk shows? Oh, it was. I know. I know. It was a long time ago. Not season 40.

I'll tell you that. Yeah. We didn't even do exit press because we were stuck on the edge. Oh, that's right. Oh. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But when they do this exit press, she once again ask them,

who do you think will win, despite the fact that this puts all of them in a terrible position because they know who wins. Oh, no. So it's like, she also called it a merger. Well, yeah, she called it a merger. That's reasonable enough for someone who doesn't watch the show. Yeah, that one I wasn't going to, you know, but you're right, Jessica. But yes, asking them again.

17 person merger. Oh, okay. I think back in the first couple seasons, they actually used the word merger. They did. So she's just so old school. She's just an OG fan. Yeah.

But yes, all three of them had to Hem and Haw and give a different answer. It's like, Gail, you don't even have to change the question that much. Just say at this point in the game, who did you? Who were you rooting for? That's all you have to do. And then to make it worse, CBS Morning. posted that question and their answers on social media like they were bragging about it.

I'm like, what are you doing? So I responded and said, stop asking this question. And I'm sure they will definitely listen to me. I'm just glad that we have David Bloomberg to stand up for what's right in this world. Exactly. He's our representative for justice, defender of truth. So, all right, we made that through much quicker than. unusual unless you guys have anything else you want to bring up quickly before.

No, I'm imagining. I'm imagining we're going to talk about how we got to the three people being voted out because of the circumstances with a rock draw and all of that. Well, yes, yes. Now, there were, of course, some other things going on, but I'm taking care of those on TikTok and YouTube at David Bloomberg TV. So you can find those there. But, of course, before we get to how.

Mila Genevieve and Colby did. We do want to mention that the rules come in a shorter and much more colorful version. So before we even get into discussing them, you can pause now and run off and go to Rob has a website.com slash YX lost feed, scroll down to the poster, click on it and order it. Or you can keep scrolling and you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt and the checklist version on a t-shirt. So again, that's Rob has a website.com slash yX lost feed. Now, Colby knew he was being voted out because everybody told him.

Genevieve was pretty dang sure she was a goner. And Camilla was completely blindsided. But all shared some similarities in the way their games ended. I know some viewers would say it was all just bad luck. But that would ignore everything that led up to the situations they found themselves in and paying attention to those details is what we do here. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know why Camilla, Genevieve, and Colby lost. But before we get into the rules, I do want to discuss a topic that, Adam, you already brought up, which is luck.

Obviously, we all know luck can play a role in the game. hell, I'm sitting here every week talking to Jessica who lost a rock draw because of luck. But we also know there are a lot of other aspects to play a role in that luck. So not to pick on you, Jessica, but for example. That's fine. You do often. Never. Over the years, we have discussed everything that has happened in the game to lead up to the moment of that rockball.

Like you talked about just a few weeks ago, like, well, if I had known that I could talk to Will, then I would have done something different. And, you know, we wouldn't have needed to draw rocks or if this happened or if that happened. And of course, I'm sure Colby was speaking directly to your heart when he told Mike Bloom, I hate the rock draw stuff. Oh, yes. Yes. But I do think that there is so many other components of this game that people do seem to forget about.

If I had flipped and, I mean, and I've, I've, I've said this multiple times. There's no way I'm winning the game. I already was going to be in a really, really tough position anyway because of the circumstances that had led me to where I was at that point. And then to have flipped in that moment, that was not going to win the game as it was in Millennials versus Gen X. It was so it's like I didn't go there to play just forward.

I didn't go there to play for second. I went there to win. And the only way that you're going to do that is to take the big risks, take the chances. Adam did the same thing. and Adam ended up winning the game. And it's because he was willing to take the chance and he was willing to go all in because at that moment, whoever didn't

was certainly not going to find themselves winning that game. Right. And for more on that, you can go back and listen to Why Jessica Lost by me and Ron Sustrinino. Now, when we look at the three eliminations we're about to discuss, there was obviously luck involved in the draw that got them into their groups for this challenge and vote. And we've talked before.

And I know, Jessica, I could tell already you were just, you're ready to jump in there and talk again about how we can't stand it when Survivor does this. But given that we have to talk about three people, if it's okay with you, Jessica, can we just refer everyone back to the previous times you and I have ranted about that so that, you know, that way to get to rant about luck too? Oh, yeah. This wasn't about luck. This was about the structure of luck.

This was about the structure of the game, Jeff, bringing people to emerge and then splitting them up and this, that nonsense. That's the rant in particular. I guess I should label our rants. So, so, yeah,

people can listen to those rants, but, you know, without hopping back on our soapbox again, even though it seems more warranted now, to come back to the point I was getting to is that players need to do their best to plan for, luck. They all know by now that getting thrown into random groups at the so-called merge is what Jeff

does. He loves to do it. We don't, but he does. So playing- I do think you should let Adam rant just a little bit here. Oh, I will. I do think that there's- believe it. We don't bring Adam on here to silence him. Come on. Well, no, because I would love to be ranting, but I have ranted quite a bit about some of the decisions that have been made relative to the game. So I will gladly allow. I will find my chance. Yeah. So when players are playing the premurge, especially with a swap in there, you need to get yourself ready as much as possible through your relationships and strategy, knowing this is coming. Whether the players like it, whether the fans like it, whether we like it, it doesn't matter. It happens. And so you need to prepare for it, be ready for it. It's kind of like, and I've used this example,

before. My sons, when they were younger, used to bowl in tournaments. And that would involve going to bowling alleys that were not their ones that they were used to, which meant they had different oil patterns and different spin and everything. And this especially impacted my left-handed son, because the oil doesn't really get worn off from the left-handed side. And so he would bowl and the ball would go caddywampus and he'd complain about it. And he'd get mad. And he'd get mad. I hate this place. I hate this place. I mean, he was young. I hate this bowling alley. And I would say to him, no matter how much you hate it, the alley is the alley. It is not going to change. So you need to change your approach. If the ball isn't spinning, then you have to take a different throw. You have to do it different. And so that is what I'm saying here about the players. No matter how much they may hate this idea of the merge and then separate again, you got to prepare for it. And so that's, you know, just this whole lot of. idea of preparing for the luck is a big aspect of things that we'll be discussing as we progress through the rules here.

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I do think there's only so much you can do though, right? And the way that I would, I think there is a way to quantify this. You could probably have chat cheap T do it. But basically, if you determine for each person who's with them and who's against them, and then you ran a simulation of like every possible permutation of the five, the four other people that could be on a tribe with them, how many of those scenarios do they survive? And then if they got eliminated,

you can sort of quantify how unlucky they got. And I would venture to guess that if you look at somebody like Genevieve, and you quantified how many people still in the game were against her or on her side or neutral, you could probably quantify that she got quite unlucky here. I would say. Well, and that is one thing. So let me, I was just going to get to that.

Let me make one more quick point here, which is, you know, we've already seen some things that initially appeared to be good luck or bad luck that really weren't. Just asked Mike White and Angelina, how lucky they feel now that, you know, they had their whole David versus Goliath crew swapped into one tribe. They were happy about that until they weren't. And even at the, looking at the random groupings, Camilla thought she was in a good spot. So, you know, luck isn't the end-all be all there. But yes, with Genevieve, Rob also suggested I know it all is that she is the unluckiest survivor player ever. Not just because

of the random draw, but because she started with a very solid alliance and then saw one of them go home due to injury and two of them lose their votes and so on. And plus her nemesis, Aubrey was given an idol while she found the other two idols but had to give them away. And yeah, Rob makes a compelling case. So do you, Adam. But I have a very much. I have a I also, you know, this is somewhere your suggestion would come into play, Adam, as you have to look at the flip side, too, because lots of people were focused on those bad things. But what about the good luck? She was on a starting tribe with people she could make a solid alliance with. That's not always the case.

Just ask Angelina and Aubrey about that. They were not. So that was good luck for her. She got a good draw of people who looked like they would work with her on the swap tribe. more good luck. Not to mention she and the people around her kept winning challenges, so they never even had to worry about voting someone out. More good luck.

And the idols going to someone else wasn't even a matter of good luck or bad luck. They were preset that way as a game device, like it or not. And you could say, oh, it really sucks that, well, yeah, it really sucks that she found two idols and could use neither of them. But that's not bad luck. That's just the game. And of course, you know, even being unlucky doesn't mean there's literally nothing a player could do to change things. There's always something.

But yes, there are certain times where by the time you get to the end point, no, it's done by that end point. But also, I think the biggest issue I have with something like this is all of the work that you do, all of the hard work that you're doing to build those relationships to form those bonds are then, just falling by the wayside. And it doesn't matter how great your social game might have been at the beginning if you are then, hey, 17 of you are going to come together. Because Colby, I think if we focus on him for just a second, he was in a really great spot as far as the group of people who were with him and the alliance that he had, that if that group of 17 had stayed 17, Holby's not going anywhere, even if they vote out three people in a group of 17. They could have said, here's a group of 17.

we are still voting out three people go, you know, and see what happens. Because at that point, then that social capital that you have, those relationships you've made, become very significant. And we didn't get to see that necessarily because they're all being put into these groupings where then it doesn't even matter how well you've done at the beginning. Because yes, Camilla thought she was in a good place, like you said. But Camilla wasn't with the other people that were also part of her crew as well. She was with only five. And so, So it's, to me, I just feel like that's where we're getting cheated out of that part of the game, which is the actual social construct that this game really centers around and how 17 people

coming together on an island are going to necessarily interact. And it's, you know, the Lord of the Flies aspect is kind of getting lost in all of the game showness that it's turned into. And that, I feel, is very frustrating. Yeah. I'm lording the loss of the merge boat. When's the last time we've had a real genuine merge vote? And merge votes were some of the best, you go back and you look at the first 30 seasons,

and the merge votes are some of the best episodes of the entire series. And now, since season 41, every single merge vote has had half the people immune, or you're splitting up, or there's just something thrown into it. it. And we're missing out on some really iconic moments, I think. It would have been interesting to see which side one out here because there were enough people sort of in the middle that had diverging loyalties that those people to see them have to make a decision would have been really interesting. But because of the way that it shook out, Surrey, for example, she wasn't with somebody that she was tangentially, like, could make, she was with Emily, who she's

been working with the whole time. So it just made it a little more obvious. Video viewers will have noticed that Jessica, while you were talking, I was laughing. And that is because despite the fact that you said you were not going to talk about the, the merge and the splitting up at everything, you may. We did it anyway. Listen, you, you had to talk. I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it. I couldn't help it. I know.

I need to respond. That's why I was laughing. It was like, well, we said we're not going to talk about, but damn it. But you talked about it for quite some time. And I'm like,

wait, he needs to be corrected just a little bit. I thought it's for the audience because they're all talking about it. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. They want to hear me. Yes.

The luck impact stems from Jeff doings. You know, if Jeff had a normal merge vote, you wouldn't have to worry about the luck of being. thrown hither and yon without your allies. I do understand that they had to get rid of a bunch of people. Yes. Right?

Yes. Just logistically, unless they're going to extend the number of episodes, which I'm game for that, but that's a whole CBS thing. Right. So I get that there was a difficult situation, but I do think that there are other ways and that's probably a different podcast where we can talk about all those different possibilities. Well, yeah, and there are other ways to do it, you know, so, yeah.

You know, at least they didn't have edge of extinction. So, uh, you know. Praise be. All right. Well, now we could get into the rules. Although, sorry, they did go to the edge of extinction. Did you notice that Rizzo and Ozzy? They were definitely on the edge.

Oh, well, now it's called exile islands. So, you know, renamed. As it should have always been. Yes. All right. Well, with all this in mind, let's move to the first and most important rule, which is, of course, to scheme and plot. We know how Camilla felt about getting to do this because in the first episode of the season,

she told us, I had a whole season of honor and integrity in 48, and I'm so sick of it. So she was quite happy to be actually playing Survivor all around instead of just secretly with one person, basically. She had multiple allies on her original tribe, and that carried over to her swap tribe, where she was shown as the swing vote, but really wasn't because she had actually wanted to vote out, Jonathan. And when that didn't work was solidly in favor of keeping Rizzo because he had connections she didn't that she felt she could use, whereas Charlie was giving her nothing. And then she thought she had multiple people she could count on in her blood moon group as well, figuring that she was in a good spot with Tiffany and Jonathan, who, of course, didn't know that she had wanted him out. So, you know, yeah, they could just vote out Chrissy, the one person that she was not on good terms with. You know, but, well, that didn't exactly work.

Yeah, no, I think Camilla is really someone who I'm sad that we're not going to see her continue down the path that she was headed down and the work that she was doing because she is someone who quietly strategizes so well and is able to do so as we learned with Kyle from a very minimal about, you know, amount of conversation or a bit of conversation. And so we saw some of that happening, but we didn't see as much as I would have loved to have seen because she is a very fascinating player in the way that she is willing to really cut you. And you don't know that it's going to be happening until it's actually happening. And then you don't really know how she managed to pull it off because she is so just quiet about the way in which she goes about doing it. So yeah, I think she's just she's very talented in this regard. But again, she thought she had Jonathan where she needed him. And now he had other plans. He had strategized too.

Isn't this crazy? He strategized as well. Yeah, I mean, she did not count on Jonathan being the swing vote here as he debated which side to go with. She had heard about his membership in the pregame Zoom alliance along with the other two in this tribe. But it was clearly not top of mind. And I can't really blame her for that because I think I mentioned it earlier. We often hear about how pregame alliances usually don't materialize into anything once the game begins. And Camilla had been with Jonathan for almost a couple weeks now.

But he was in a position of voting out someone from his original tribal alliance or his pregame alliance. So he had to make that choice. And it was hard for Camilla, I think, to find a way to account for that kind of scheming that took place before. the game even officially began. Again, I'm still not totally sure that Chrissy was a part of that beforehand, but she has certainly worked her way into that alliance and voting out Chrissy would be seen as turning on that alliance, even if she wasn't a part of it before the game started.

But does, even if Camilla knows this information, which she did, and even if she chose to believe it, let's say, what's the out? What is the other game, what is the other way to go? Try to get them to turn on him? Like, what's the play? I don't know that there is. I think then she's more in a Genevieve situation where she knows she's in trouble.

And I saw that I have not had a chance because they were just posted when we went to, or at least I just saw them posted. when we went to record here. The interviews from Atlanta. I believe that I saw someone post on TikTok, I think, that she was saying she had swapped shots in the dark with another person in the tribe and as insurance that they were not going to vote each other out.

and she was considering playing it, because you can, even though it's, even though it's the other persons, you can still play it, if it's given to you freely. And so she did briefly consider playing it, but she knew if she did, it was thinking Jonathan was still with them,

she didn't want to do that. So if she truly knew Jonathan wasn't with her, I mean, playing her shot in the dark was about the only thing she would have been able to do at that point. Yeah, trying to get Chrissy over. But, I mean, that was the thing. She said that Chrissy was like the one person that she had not really connected with

because Chrissy had immediately wanted to vote out D and Tiffany in their original tribe. D and Tiffany were Camilla's allies. So I just want to, before you jump into something, I just want to talk about the shot in the dark for a second. Because the calculation that Genevieve talked about in this episode is, is there a greater than one in six chance that this person is with you? me, right? It's, you actually need more than that. Um, because, uh, if it were just simply that, then you can say, okay, I think there's a less than one and six chance that Jonathan is voting

with me. I'm going to play my shot in the dark. But you also have to consider the future. And in the rare instance where you're wrong about that and Jonathan is with you. And then you screw up the plan by not voting and playing your shot in the dark, you are now guaranteeing that he is never with, or nearly guaranteeing that he is never with you again. So it's not simply a math calculation. You also have to account for if that percentage is wrong, how damaging is that for my game moving forward? Right. And this is something we actually talked about last week with Angelina because also if Camilla plays her shot in the dark

that means she doesn't vote. If Jonathan was with her. Well, yeah, but even with the vote, it becomes two, two. It becomes a tie. If she succeeds. And or I'm rather, not if she succeeds. If she doesn't succeed and Jonathan was with her.

But it's not even later in the game. At that point, Jonathan may well look at her and say, well, you didn't trust me. I'm not going to rocks for you. You know, it was tie. I'm flipping now. So, yes, absolutely. Now, speaking of Genevieve, we can move to her.

And this, you know, we're immediately hit by the luck factor here that we discussed a few minutes ago. Genevieve told Mike Bloom, I look down at the color of my rock. I look at the other people's rocks around me. And I look up and see Aubrey looking at me just smirking. and I was like, I'm, I am toast. I'm toast. If I don't win this, I'm going home. I, you know, the Aubrey smirking thing, I don't know.

That doesn't sound like Aubrey, you know, but it's possible, I suppose. Aubrey also talked about the impact of luck while noting that it's why you have to make sure you earn it and have friends and are receptive to people and don't close any doors. I think she was being very specific in her language that she was using in talking about this. I believe it was at tribal council because Jeff even mentioned that Survivor is about relationships, which side note that infuriates me because he says that and then adds more twists to make it less about relationships and more about luck. But he says it's about relationships. Listen to yourself, Jeff.

Anyway, yeah, I said I was. I'm going to get on a soapbox there. So deep breath. Okay. The main point I was getting up is, you know, back to luck in the game, that what Aubrey was saying is you have to prepare yourself. And, you know, Rob mentioned on know-it-alls that Genevieve should have thought ahead and done something like she could have thrown the previous challenge to try to get rid of

Aubrey in a blindside then. Or more likely, at least flush her idol out. she wouldn't be facing that now. Obviously, Genevieve did not know the blood moon was coming. But as I was talking about earlier, everybody knows the word merge now actually means being split up into random groups. So you need to take actions to control what you can and give yourself the best chance when you hit a situation that you can't control. I'm like finding two idols. I don't know. It's crazy, right? Yeah, but after the first one, she knew she wasn't going to keep the second one. But still, like, I know we're going to talk about that later.

I won't jump ahead. That's something that's going to put you in a much better situation. And also, the idea, too, I mean, and this was something that she was actually asked about in one of her exit interviews, but it was about the idea of trying to flip the vote onto Aubrey in order to get, like, everyone knew she wasn't going to play her idol considering everyone was talking about the fact she had an idol. And so if they vote for her and she doesn't play the idol, then the idol goes back to his boomerang. It's going to go back to Christian. So if there was any chance at all that she could have potentially convinced Christian, like, don't you want your idol back?

Well, she didn't know it was Christian. She thought it was Devons. Well, Devons is there too. So she could have talked to Devons. Yeah, but I mean, it was, she tried. You know, she tried to make something happen. She tried to convince Joe that Christian might flip. We all knew he wouldn't.

She made up a story to Christian about him being tied to the sinking ship of Devin's and Aubrey. And I figured, you know, I was doing the math in my head. I believed that there was approximately a 0.00% chance of that actually working. Is there a better chance of Jessica's plan of trying to get that? to vote out Aubrey and blindsiding her with the idol? I mean, Aubrey had said quite plainly, I am playing my idol.

Which is a good indication that she will not. I think she absolutely would have had Genevieve not played her shot in the dark. Oh, I want to talk about that for a minute. Can we? Can we talk about this? But you can. Well, we have to jump ahead because this is important.

Because I don't think that, and I know the shot in the dark didn't exist. when I played. But I don't think that you should have to wait. Like I think that whoever wants to play their shot in the dark should play it. And then if anyone else wants to play any idols or any other shots in the dark,

they should have to before the shot in the dark is red. Because that's the only reason why Aubrey didn't play her idol because she knew that Genevieve wasn't safe. If she didn't know that, she would have played her idol. Would she have? No, I don't think she would have anyway.

Because, one in six can't. Oh, yeah, yeah, because there's no votes. There's no votes. Then there'd be no vote.

Okay, can we talk about Joe for a second? Yeah. What is he thinking? I mean, he gave himself a one in six chance of being eliminated. Like that. All he has to do is put a vote on anybody.

I mean, he still believes he, I think he still believes he's in with Christian and Devons. Yeah, but what happens if the shot in the dark hits? What happens next? Are you suggesting that he go against his loyalty to his allies in a game? It's him if it's not them.

But he can't go against his loyalty. He's with them. Devons and Christian. Since when? Since the initial, I mean, he believed he was part of their alliance early on and they didn't vote him out when they had a chance to in the original tribe. Even when he got to the big argument with Devons. Okay, vote for Aubrey.

Yeah. I mean, he should have. It should have been anybody. You don't ever want to be in the backup plan, right? Right. Now, voting for Aubrey also, it actually doesn't really make sense now that I'm thinking about it,

because if the shot in the dark is successful, Aubrey's obviously also going to play her idol, probably, I would guess, although maybe she wouldn't expect the vote from Joe. Right. Yeah. I just don't think.

I just don't think. Joe needs to vote for somebody besides Genevieve because if that shot in the dark hits, they're voting him out 100% of the time. So he gave himself a one and six chance. He pulled a rock. He pulled a rock in this episode. Unless Devin's and Christian convinced him, we're with you. We're the original tribal alliance.

We are with you. If anything goes wrong with Genevieve, we are voting out Aubrey. You think he thought about it that deeply? No. No. I don't either. I do not. Now, if I'm wrong, I would love for him to send me a DM and say, you're wrong.

We thought about all that. We were going to vote out Aubrey or whatever. I can pretty much guarantee he is not listening to this podcast. Probably not. No. Considering he came in, we mentioned this in the preview podcast, he came into this season saying, there's no way I could know what I did wrong last season. There's no place I can get a list of all those things.

And we're like, hello, we did a whole podcast about it. We can help you. You could also listen to the people you were out there with who were trying to tell you. Right. That is true too, too soon. It's always going to be too soon to come back when you lose like that. Yeah. Yeah.

So getting back to Genevieve, she did. did appear to have plenty of other allies on her original tribe and her swap tribe. And we saw multiple series of scenes of her running around and talking to people to get them on her side and against Aubrey. And I had to say in all those cases, I never did get a good feel for whether they were truly solid with her or humoring her and saw her as doing too much. Because when I watched those scenes, I thought she was doing too much. I thought that's what the editors were trying to show us. But it didn't end up mattering. And from what she said in interviews,

she felt they were real connections, especially with the old school players. It didn't end up mattering. We'll never know. But she was out there at least trying to make allies, but just didn't help when she ended up with this particular group. I do think that it was too much too fast. though as far as like really trying to get everyone against Aubrey in the fashion in which we

were seeing. I mean, that's what we were seeing. I don't know if that's what was necessarily happening all around, but it did seem like a lot. And I do think that people were kind of humoring her. And also you're really helping those around you because now they know that, oh, there's a divide there. So we can build on that. That's why I think it actually makes sense as a move. because they know that you're helping them, right? They like distraction. If I'm somebody on a tribe and Aubrey and Genevieve are going at it, that makes me feel more confident.

That makes me feel better, right? So there is a point in a relationship with somebody where you just know it's never going to work out. Right. And now what are you going to do about that? if you sit there silently, you let the other person drive the narrative, try to get you out and you don't put up much of a fight.

Or you can push back, try to make sure that it's them and not you. And in the meantime, make everybody else feel good about it because at least they know that you're not coming after them. And I think it's a reasonable response to feeling like you have somebody on the tribe who you know will never work for you. Just say, okay, I'm again, I did this in Millennium Gen X, like with Dave towards the end,

I was like, that guy's got to go. He's going to win, right? And so now everyone else can relax about me a little bit because you know I'm just going after this guy. Yeah. And that's a very fair point. I will have somewhat of a counter to that when we get to the second rule. and we'll see if you agree with me. It's going to make you wait, Adam.

Shoot it down here when we get to that. He's only to jump around. For now, let's go to Colby. You know, Colby had plenty of alliances, both from within and, of course, before the game. He was very well set up for many cases and indeed earned the title that he was given of Head of the Snake, even though he tried to avoid it in interviews. But as he said to Mike Bloom, there was a faction of players out there that I simply didn't connect with. And unfortunately, a few of those were on this little squad of five that I ended up with in this challenge.

I'll have more to say about that in Rule 2 also. But for this rule, I would say he did a decent job of scheming probably better than he has in any of his prior seasons. And I liked Colby explaining to Rob that while he, of course, had an alliance with the honor and integrity crew, he, quote, didn't make a blood oath to them. And it set him up to blindside people later because they would assume he was playing that type of game, which he wasn't. Yeah, I very much enjoyed Colby. I really found him.

Oh, right? I know. There's that, too. He doesn't have his vote either. It's one more thing that's going to frustrate me. And I've been on a soapbox about as well. Don't take people's votes away. Yes.

That's insane. But yes, I mean, Colby was, especially when you're dealing with this type of structure where you are going to split them up into threes and somebody doesn't have their vote. It just makes it that much worse, obviously, because he really is kind of like a setting up, right? Because it's like, oh, he doesn't even have a vote and there's only five of us. And so the numbers just certainly don't work in his favor. And his ability to really negotiate a whole lot is much less. But I did appreciate the approach he was taking. And I do like that he was able to tie himself to that loyalty, integrity crew without necessarily, as he said, the blood oath.

It was, I can, I can be there. I can hang out and I can be a part of it. But that doesn't mean that I can't consider all of these other options like Rizzo. I thought that was lovely that he was like joining forces with Rizzo. And Genevieve, we found out as well how close they actually were. So he really was branching out in the way that he needed to to have those other people on his side. However, this fun little group of five that they decided to put together didn't vote too well for him, unfortunately. I think it's a great strategy to align yourself with the trust and loyalty and integrity people, especially if you are not that, but you can camouflage yourself as that.

Yes. I mean, if your name is Kyle, for example, I think that would be a great plan to, you know, win you the game. You want to be surrounded by loyal people while also still maintaining your ability to play. I think that's probably what, like, Chrissy's doing, right? I think she's trying to make herself out to be somebody who's like, oh, I'm integrity, whatever, whatever. Chris is a gamer, right? Yes. So I think she's a world.

wolf in, not sheep's clothing, a wolf in what animals the most in steed's clothing. A noble animal. Yeah. And Colby was doing a good job of that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Jessica, you mentioned, you know, he couldn't really do a whole lot in this group. And he told Dalton Ross, I did scramble for a grand total of 15 minutes.

But then I started running the numbers and the math in my. head and I'm going, what am I doing? Now, I can't say, you know, in this podcast does not endorse giving up at any point. But he had another issue on his mind, that being his injury and the even worse infection that we didn't know about that he believed would cause him to get medevac if he made it past this tribal council. He said he didn't want to fight hard to stay, get his ally coach voted out, and then get pulled anyway. And that's a situation that isn't really contemplated by the rules. It's just something we have to understand on a human

level. And it does, I just want to know the behind the scenes of this. How much, you know, because they obviously talk about in the episode, he could get Medevac. And they could have potentially gotten a two for one here.

It would not have been good for the show. It would have screwed up the whole calendar and all the plans they had for the season. And, you know, because only three people are supposed to go out here, not four. The jury's supposed to start. I guarantee they'd have held it to the beginning of next episode.

Held what? If they held his meta-vac. Oh, for sure. If he made it. For sure. But then now they still have to vote somebody out at the end of the next episode. It still messes up the schedule, right? They have at least two more times they have to do double eliminations this season.

Point being, I think production would have rather have. it happened the way that it did where he gets this send-off rather than seeing coach go and then he has to go immediately after that. But the other's on the tribe. They had the idea that this might happen. And I wonder how much they knew about how serious this was and how likely that would be. And if they, yeah, I'm just curious what happened there. Did they have the ability to go and do that and did they seriously think about it? Or were they kind of trying to play nice with production potentially

or I don't know. I think, and I had planned to talk about this a little later, I don't remember where, but I think two things happened here. One, Ceree, a nurse told them, no,

I don't think he's going to get Medevac. But is she just playing good with production? Is she like, you know what I mean? Or what Colby thinks, he said, I haven't talked to her about this, but knowing the way she thinks,

Sheree doesn't want me on the jury. And if I get Medevac, if I don't get voted out and I get medevac, I'm on the jury. And I have a lot of influence with people. And she is not in that group. I heard him say that, but I don't know that I buy that

because he's saying, I love you, Surrey, on the way out the door. Why would Seri not want him on the jury? That doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, if you're not part of their alliance, you think that coach I mean that Colby is going to refuse

to vote for Surrey at the end of the game because he wasn't aligned with her? I don't know. No. He would have absolutely voted for Surrey to win because I mean it depends on who she's up against in the game, whatever,

but he would definitely lean that way because he clearly really likes her. Yeah. Yeah. So that doesn't make any sense to me the idea that she didn't want him on the jury. I don't get that. What I'm thinking is

it's possible that like we've seen Surrey on seasons where various people have her look at various ailments, including various places she never wanted to look. But I wonder if in this case, Colby made a

point of saying they take you privately to the medical tent before and after challenges and at various times. Made a point of saying privately. And I wonder if they really didn't know how bad his foot was. Even Seri. Like if she didn't see his foot, the infection there,

she may not have realized how bad it truly was. So. All right, we can move to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much. And more importantly, to all three of the players were discussing, keep your scheming secret. We'll start with Camilla. it was a bit difficult for her to keep it secret when she openly flipped to blindside Charlie last time and kept Jonathan in the dark.

I mentioned in the first rule that he had a decision to make. And although we were talking in the first rule about like which alliance would he go with, you got to think that part of that decision took into account what had just happened in the prior vote. Now, she did try to cover for what she had done. We didn't see it. But she told Dalton Ross that as soon as Charlie's torch got snuffed, I turned to Jonathan, I'm like, we saved you. And then at nighttime after tribal council, I go and tell Jonathan all the things Charlie has told me about him, which were all true. And I was like he was gunning for you.

And so I thought he had genuinely believed that we had saved him. And she even went on to add, I talked to people out of the game. It sounded like he did believe that. Okay, but clearly, even if that was the case, and also even with the calm way he reacted after words, you know, contrast that with how Ozzy reacted in almost the exact same situation. There can be repercussions to leaving someone out of a vote. If I were him, I would have asked the same questions that Dee asked Coach when he claimed Emily was out to get her. Why are you just telling me this now? Why didn't Camilla heard he tell me about it before the vote? And I know the reason Dee gave him was they were scared he'd tell Charlie. But again, if I were him, I'd be like,

okay, if Charlie was really saying those things about me, why would I then go and tell him? Although I realized people do that before. I was going to say, I realized that we might be on the podcast with someone who did that once. So maybe I shouldn't be so hard on that point. I thought we were talking about Ken. No, at the beginning, you're talking about me. Yeah, well, because, you know, I mean, when you've got. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. And because this is the thing that people have to also think about when when you're out there and you're playing with people who you have never you've been with, you've been solid with for a duration of time. And then all of a sudden, here's a new person that you haven't really been exposed to playing the game with that much is throwing information at you. And you're just like, well, that can't be true. Because these are like, this is my solid person over here. Like I was with Sunday.

I was like, we're good. Like this is not happening. And so you want to believe that the person you've been with since the beginning and you are like, we're together, we're locked in is not actually throwing you under the bus and trying to get you voted out. And so you're like, oh, no, that's, excuse me, that's bullshit over there what I'm hearing from these people because they're just trying to, they're trying to create something. And unfortunately, yeah, they definitely were trying to create my ouster. So yes, I am one of those people that did that. for sure. I will say this is a different situation because Camilla and Jonathan had been together

the entire time, but so Charlie, I believe. So, yeah, it's a different situation. It's not a newcomer telling you something about your ally. It's one ally telling you something about another ally. So, but still, I, you know, if I were Jonathan and you tell me this afterwards, I would still be questioning the series of events. And, you know, maybe you don't voice those opinions, those doubts out loud. Yeah.

But when an opportunity arises to act on it and you're in the swing position and you also have this second or first alliance, depending on how you count them. That's the big part right there. You have another option. Right. You have another option. And these people left you out of the vote. Yes. And, you know, so, do.

Do you want to stay with the people who already lied to you once? Right. Yeah. I also think you got to take into account the reputations here, right? Because did you scheme a plot too much last time you played? And that is still top of mind for everybody. They just watched her pull such a fast one over Joe to get Shaheen out, right? total fabrication, total lie,

and they played up the whole season how they're hiding how close they are and all of these things. So there's a lot to be concerned of based on what they just watched. How much does that factor into the rules? I don't know. Well, it would be, don't be too much of a threat.

So that may come up again. Sometimes you can't control it because it already happened the last time. It is. Yeah, that's the one thing about a returning player season is it's like, well, don't be too much of a threat. But, yeah, you're screwed because you came in as a threat and there's nothing you can do about it. So. Yeah.

Right. Right. Every time she plays. Except she always manages still. So that's what I, you know, that's the. But let's keep in mind why, part of the reason why that might be, because everybody knows that they're going to lose to Surrey at the end. So she's kind of the perfect person to go to seven or six with or whatever because she doesn't tend to win a whole lot of individual immunities. Right.

Right. And everybody's going to want her out at that point probably. So, yeah, I would want to work with her too. I want her to go on an immunity run. I want them to get to six and then it be like all things that's what she has to do. To me, that's the only way. And it's a long shot, but her chance of getting to seven or six or whatever, I think is is pretty good every time she plays for that exact reason. And then she's got to do something that people think she can't.

Right. Or have idols that people don't know about. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, Genevieve, of course, was not exactly great with keeping her scheming secret this season. And this is my little bit of a counter here to what you said early. Adam. Now, first, I want to say there's a bit of haziness about how she and Aubrey ended up as

mortal enemies. We'll talk about that more in Rule 5. But once they were on opposite sides, everyone knew it. Genevieve was part of the core alliance on the original tribe where Aubrey knew she was on the outs. And then they swapped together. We saw Genevieve run around to tell everyone about Aubrey, which Aubrey found out because of Tiffany. That is one hazard of not keeping your scheming secret of, you know, Adam, you talked about how letting everyone know, but the downside is when you let everyone know, someone's bound to run back and tell the person. And so Tiffany did. And then at the merge, she did the same thing, Gazinty, practically celebrating when Surrey confirmed she'd heard about Aubrey's idol and talking to us about wanting to discredit Aubrey as

She went around again to tell everyone and their brother about it. But Sheree let Aubrey know. So again, there was nothing secret about this. And as Aubrey told us, she has no interest in working with me. That door is shut closed tighter than Fort Knox. So that meant when Aubrey had an open shot on Genevieve, she was not going to pass it up. Even when it made Devons feel somewhat uncomfortable.

No, this is who we're going after. Yeah. All of that seems accurate. Okay. And then we had Colby, who I mentioned in Rule 1, had a lot of allies while there were still some players he didn't connect with. And the main problem here was that everyone knew he had a lot of allies and who they were and also who he didn't connect with. They could basically like see his whole game board. He was playing poker with his cards face up.

And indeed, according to Camilla in his interview, in her interviews, he was even open. about those pregame alliances, which flies in the face of keeping your streaming. Oh, my gosh. Yes. I was fascinated to hear that like Camilla didn't believe Mike White when he came back with that information just because she was like, that can't be true. Yeah. Who would do that?

Right. It seemed so out like just, no, I can't even wrap my brain around someone talking about their Zoom alliance, no less. not even just like pre-existing relationships or relationships or discussions around, but an actual like Zoom where people came together to discuss the prospect of creating an alliance is really quite fascinating. Well, I think that's the danger of having a big call before a season like that is that my guess is he probably thought that this information is going to get out because I guess

it came out because Savannah was grilling him and asking, I heard there was a Zoom and things like that. So he knows. By the way, by the way, sorry. I just, I wish we had seen that scene.

Having seen Savannah grill people on the previous season, I so want to see the footage of this seat of her grilling Colby and like investigative reporting getting the truth out of him. Sorry. No, so, but if, if there's a big group there and you know that information has leaked already in the existence

of this meeting, you kind of. have to presume that the information is out there. And think about how many scenes we've seen on this season where people are like, yeah, I knew it already, but I'm really glad Rizzo told me, because that shows me that he trusts me. And so the meta of Survivor right now is

the information is already out there. Yeah. Who's going to deliver it first? And think about why Charlie went out. One of the things we saw being said about Charlie is he came to me too late with information. I already knew this stuff, and he should have told me days ago.

And so the people that are doing well are the people that are just leaking everything because they know the information is out there anyway. That's a little crazy. And that's what I have to imagine was going through Colby's mind there. And it's probably why there were not big group

calls that I know of before Winners at War, because it's just like too easy for that to get out. I wonder if there were. Not everyone was as familiar with Zoom in 40. People became much more familiar with Zoom. Like I had a private Zoom with like Ethan.

I'm just saying, you know, you know, 40 brought COVID and COVID brought Zoom. Maybe it was a Skype. I don't know. I am curious if any of the pregame interviews added to this like aura, this idea that there was this pre-game. game alliance things happening because it did seem to come up in quite a bit of the interviews that were being had. And I'm, so I'm wondering if players were reading into that going, oh, well, so they're asking about pregame alliances, then that must mean somebody else is also talking about pregame alliances and somebody else must be. I'm just wondering that's,

no? Well, well, of course, but to have it to be questioned about it, it almost, as you said, all of a sudden is it now fair game to necessarily talk about because it sounds like it's being talked about. It's not necessarily a secret and people know that this is what we're doing. And so I feel like it just probably felt different because maybe the fear of the I got busted with this pregame, you know, alliance that I've created didn't necessarily matter anymore or doesn't matter as much clearly like it used to. This used to get people in a lot of trouble. You know, CBS used to really try to stop people from doing this. Like you weren't supposed to be

contacting individuals or creating pregame alliances. And now they're just like, eh, it's fine. Go ahead and do it. And we're going to actually talk about it in the show, basically. Well, they didn't talk about it in the show. They're editing around it. They are editing around it, but it's

one of those things that it's looming. And I roll my eyes a little bit when, like, Christian says, all these relationships that we've built since the start of the game, like don't patronize us. Like, come on. We know. But they're playing it up for production. This is probably why I'm not productions.

Because I would never do that. I would be like when I talked to Michelle before the game started in my confessional, I'm just, I don't like I'm not, I'm not here to bullshit. Like. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, you know, and I think I saw something maybe, heck, could have been you talking about it, that that some of the conversations were

likely reenacted, you know, like. I did say that. Yeah. That, that, you know, we know that these people worked it out ahead of time, but then they get on the show and, yeah, you were the way to- I can't wait to work with you. I can't wait to work with you. They've already had those conversations.

They're doing it for the sake of the cameras. I do think that they picked a lot of people for season 50 that are camera aware and production-friendly and playing ball and giving production what they need to tell the story. in a way that ignores the pregame alliances, whereas I kind of was like, you're going to have to tell the story about pregame alliances because that is what is happening here. And that's probably not as friendly to production.

And if there's one thing you're known for, it's being friendly to production. I mean, I'm just not a bullshitter. That's why they, I remember, Jeff Probes called me a cock block one time. And I was like, you know, you didn't pick me, to just parrot what everybody else says. You picked me because I pushed back

and I called your whole casting process misogynistic and you liked that. And now I'm here. So what do you want me to do? Just agree with everybody else? Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

All right. Well, even though, speaking of more of those pregame things, even though Ceree was obviously an old schooler and Colby had pregame with her, he told Rob that his game with her was damaged early on because of two things that happened. One, he presumed Jenna would be good with them and told Surrey that, which she interpreted as him saying that he had talked with Jenna and she agreed, which he hadn't. And she definitely did not because we saw what happened there. Second, when he was talking to Savannah at that journey, he told her watch out for Surrey, which he said in order to throw Savannah off and assumed Sarie would know that this was the reason when Savannah.

inevitably passed it back to her. But Sarie took the much more rational straightforward route and thought, well, he's saying it. That must be what he feels. And even when he caught her at the merge to try to set the record straight, it was too little too late. And I really feel that is a big unforced error by Colby here. You cannot assume someone you have not spoken to since pregame knows your secret little

plan to throw other people off by throwing you under the bus. Unless you discuss it pregame. Yeah, I mean, but you would have to be very specific. Like if we are on opposite tribes and I ever have a chance to go on a journey and talk to, I mean, you know. I mean, I kind of talked about that kind of stuff with Michelle, like before the game. Because the whole idea was like we're going to go on opposite sides. We're going to pretend like we're not working together. We're going to pretend like we're not really friends and we fell on different sides.

And so that when the time comes, no. one will expect that we'll come together. And we talked about the idea. I was like, if I ever hear that you said something about me, I will take it with a big grain of salt. And we agreed on that before going out there. But you got to agree on that. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Otherwise, you're setting yourself up for danger. Yeah. We saw something like that on the traders UK, the most recent season where two of the traders agreed, okay, it would be suspicious if we don't say something negative about each other. So we will, you know, if you hear me saying that, but of course, you know, in any game, traders, survivor, whatever, okay, is that just their excuse to say negative things about me or, you know, are they really? Now, your situation with Michelle in any of these pregame situations, a little clearer than two people who have just met and are saying.

But yeah, you can't go around doing that without having pre-planned it or else people will take the most obvious, obvious interpretation of it, which is, that's really what you think. Yeah, I do love Colby's reaction to it himself. He was like, oh, did I do that wrong? Did I not, did I not handle that correctly? It was like he was having a little introspective moment there about himself. I thought that was really quite. It was very Colby. Yes. All right. Well, the third rule tells players to be flexible.

Adam, how do you think Camilla did in this rule? It's a tough episode to be flexible. It just was. I mean, overall. Okay. But yeah, I mean, just to finish that point, like, that's the question I keep asking myself for all three of these players, even if they had all the information. Let's say Camilla knew that Jonathan was not with her. what is the play? And I really struggle to come up with it for any of the three of these players.

So, you know, yeah, it's hard to say. And then, okay, you want to say, like, in general, was this person flexible? But, like, does it really matter? Does it really matter? Because ultimately, it comes down to this one vote in the end. and kind of what they did up until this point doesn't matter that much. I guess it does for the most in terms of Camilla because of the last vote against Charlie. But I thought she, you know, tried to manage that as best she possibly could by coming up with that lie and having that conversation with Jonathan to try to get him back on the side.

So, yeah, I mean, I think she played pretty flexibly. not much you can do in this spot. Yeah, I agree. And once she got to the spot, you know, it's like I said earlier. Once you get to the end point, okay, a lot of times there's nothing you could do with how you get there.

Not every rule is applicable in every situation. In her case, yeah, I do think that she did a good job of being flexible. And indeed, one reason she said she voted out Charlie instead of Rizzo was that she felt Rizzo could provide her with new connections to other players. which could help her game. And so it is a flexible way of looking at proceeding forward,

which unfortunately did not work out in her case. Yeah. So Jessica, what about Genevieve? I mean, you know, with Genevieve, it's not like she was overly focused on one particular person the whole time. No, not at all. She wasn't completely set on taking down Aubrey as much as she possibly could and telling everybody that was her plan was to take out Aubrey. I think that Genevieve really almost struggled coming into this season with the idea of her needing to be flexible, right?

She had to be because she didn't have any of these pre-game alliances potentially or those relationships that seem to have carried into this game so heavily. And so I think she was like, I kind of have to be flexible because I don't have those things walking into the game. game. But unfortunately, I think she was kind of in a very, very difficult spot, considering how people were viewing her coming into the game as well. So I think she tried to be flexible. And it was because she was kind of like, I'm a free agent. Like I can, I can help you play with me. It's fine, except Aubrey. I don't want to play with Aubrey, although she even did try to mend fences with Aubrey as well. And I feel like Aubrey was kind of the reason why there was some push back there. So it was like, okay, like I think Adam already indicated, sometimes you just know

that someone is not going to play the game with you. And I think she learned pretty quickly that Aubrey wasn't going to. And so she's like, okay, I have to rally because Aubrey's not going to be playing with me. So I need to get Aubrey out of here so she doesn't take me out first. And so I could understand her reasoning for doing so with Aubrey. So it defines her to be in a tough spot in relationship to the overall season and what she needed to do. So she was certainly trying to be flexible except when it came to Aubrey because she just couldn't be. And I don't want to disagree with your rules here, David Bloomberg, but I do think there is a time and a place where rigidity can actually serve you. And I think that this was intentional rigidity by Genevieve,

knowing what she knew about Aubrey and the rest of her previous two tribes. And then when it came down to actually having to go to travel council and realizing that she was not in control, this rigidity no longer served her. And it's why she pivoted to targeting Devons because the rigid idea of going after Aubrey, probably a less likely win for her, although they were both pretty D-O-A. Yeah, I mean, I can understand what you're saying, that there are times when rigidity will be a good move.

In this case, though, I mean, we just, and I know it's the editing, we saw this coming, or I saw this coming, you know, a mile away, episodes away, that something was going to happen and Aubrey was going to come out ahead here. And what telegraphed that to you that Aubrey would come out ahead here? I think it was just the way we saw Genevieve going to everybody. And then Tiffany running it back and Surrey, well, that was this episode, Surrey running it back. And, you know, just sometimes you can't tell exactly,

but I just saw it as Aubrey coming out ahead here. And it's just, if history says if you absolutely shut the door on someone, it's going to come back to bite you more often than not. And so there was nothing she could say. You know, she ended up on a tribe with Aubrey and two of Aubrey's allies. She couldn't make any claim other than the obvious truth. Whereas if she had kept that a little more under the surface, maybe she could have. Maybe she could have tried.

And even if she didn't need to try, as we saw, Devons didn't want to vote Genevieve. And so if Genevieve hadn't spent her entire time being so vehemently anti-Aubrey, maybe Aubrey's like yeah Rick I can understand what you're saying there is that chance that Genevieve has something and you get knocked out as just the innocent bystander so yes we'll take out Joe because there's no chance he has anything and you will be safe but I think Aubrey just put her foot down was like no this woman has been coming after me the entire game I have a chance to get rid of her of course I'm going to take the opportunity hmm so So switching to Colby, I was impressed with his flexibility, which was not necessarily a word I would have associated with him before this season.

He told Mike Bloom, I had a lot of friends on different beaches and a lot of ways to play. I'd put myself in a good position with most of the players. Of course, we talked in Rule 2 about how that somewhat backfired on him. But in theory, it was a good idea. if he hadn't told everyone about it. But that wasn't what impressed me here. He talked in his interviews about being generally against throwing challenges, which, of course, we know it's Colby,

but also listening to others who were more strategic than he was, like Genevieve. When she told him it would work and he would get his vote back for the following time, he was willing to put aside his general opposition to throwing challenges in pursuit of the greater good for his game. Now, unfortunately for him, some less flexible players like Joe still wouldn't do it. And I mean, even in last week's challenge, apparently Joe held back at the start, but then just couldn't do it.

When it came down to those final moments, he kicked it into gear. He could not bring himself to throw it. If only some other people had been as flexible as Colby was in that regard, Colby might have had a chance of getting his vote back and having a different player mixed. But were they trying to throw it for? I forget who was on that tribe. I don't remember. But the main thing was to get his vote back and just to get rid of who was on that tribe?

Wasn't it Tiffany they were trying to? Tiffany and Aubrey, actually. So they could. So yeah, if they had done that, they could have gotten rid of. I mean, they knew that Aubrey would, you know, play the idol. But yeah, then they would have gotten rid of Tiffany. And again, it would have just been a different mix. you don't know who you can't even say one to one well if Tiffany is gone and you know someone else is

there well because everybody draws differently you know it's sure but he does get his vote back in that right in that situation which is awesome i i don't think it would have helped him to vote alone but it's it's the domino effect you don't or rather the chaos effect you know you don't know what this You know, like in, in, what is it? Jurassic Park where the chaos scientist, you know, takes the drop of water and puts it on his hand and it rolls down this way or this way. You know, that's the thing we're talking about here. We don't know what would have happened. Someone would have drawn, you know, a rock differently and who knows what the group would have been.

We have no way of knowing. This is just a trauma podcast for Jessica. it. This is a trauma pot. This whole season has been trauma for everyone thus far. And yes, this is why. Turning players. Yeah.

Yes, I keep coming back and David Bloomberg is like, let's relive these things for Jessica again. Because, you know, she didn't win. And it was this terrible situation. And I got a rock. Yes, it's very traumatic. All of us are traumatic. We can't believe you do this every week. And then we bring on the person who.

I'm dedicated to David Bloomberg at this point. He knows that. And I appreciate it. I'm glad you do. I'm glad you do. All right. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. And of the three players we're discussing,

I only saw one who may have had an issue here, and that would be Genevieve, who got so overly focused on Aubrey. And even then, like I said, may. because I can't say for sure that it was emotional and not just an overactive strategy response or even like you said, Adam, an intentional strategy response.

It felt emotional at times. Like when she got giddy, when Surrey confirmed that Aubrey had an idol. So that's why I lump it in here and say, even if it was mostly strategic, I do think emotion played a bit of a role in getting that tunnel vision. I thought it was interesting.

we don't have an answer in terms of the television program and what actually happened of did Aubrey actually have the idol before? No, we don't know. That's a bag search or was it after? We don't know. They showed it as she actually got it after, which contradicts Genevieve's giddiness, right? Because she thought she had an idol then when she didn't, if the timeline of the show is correct.

But it's also possible that they're playing around with the timeline of the show to make it look like she wasn't actually correct. And I'm very curious which the truth is. I mean, I started out believing the timeline of the show as we've seen more interviews. I have now switched pretty much to not believing the timeline of the show

because one thing they said, and I think it was Q said this in his interviews, that one way they knew or they suspected she had it was everyone put their bags in one area. But then all of a sudden, Aubrey one day picked up her bag and went off into the jungle with it. And of course, what happened when she was given the idol, she was told, you have something in the bag. And so she took her bag out to the jungle to look for it. So they obviously didn't know that was the reason why she did it. but it fits the timeline.

And, you know, then she probably took the idol and stuck it somewhere on her person that was not in her back. Yeah. And if they did lie about the timeline, that's a shame. I don't know why they did it other than it's, it made it look funny. It made it look wrong. Yes. And I agree. I think that that's.

And also it should be discussed if that's the, because we've seen them do this before where they put something in someone's bag and then they tell the person to go in their bag because there's something in their bag. And so that is production kind of inserting themselves into the game and then potentially putting someone at risk like Aubrey because all of a sudden Aubrey's walking off into the jungle with this big fat bag that they've given all of the players that has 10 various outfits in it because they've given them so much clothes this season. It's insane. So they have to have a big bag. And who's walking into the trees with their big bag unless they've one been instructed and two, there's a reason why they need their bag.

It could have been me if I got a legacy advantage. Right. That would have been sweet. It's all right. I got the jury vote. You got the white rock. So we could start there. Yeah.

So trust me, you were in a great place, Adam. You didn't need my help there. Other than, other than Genevieve, Colby certainly got emotional at the end and understandably so. But did either of you see any issues related to? this rule for Colby or Camilla? I forgot the rule. Don't let your emotions control you.

Oh, I mean, Camilla always has big emotions, but I think she tends to leave them in confessional for the most part. I mean, maybe she could play around, you know, she could play along a little bit more with Jeff and the snapping and the rapping, you know. Oh, gosh. I feel like they specifically avoided showing Camilla.

so that they wouldn't have to show her rolling her eyes. You just talked about how you wouldn't do stuff like that. So why would she? Come on. I respect that. I respect that. Yeah. We're like,

you know, two birds of a feather. That's right. All right. Whatever. The fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And once again,

I think to, yes, pretend to be nice. It kind of doing what you just said, you know, keeping your, keeping your stuff to the camera. I think two of the three players were talking about

did just fine here. Camilla and Colby they had made a number of friends in the game or in Colby's case from before. I think Kobe did really well on this. This was his whole thing. This was the whole thing. It's like, I'm going to be loyalty, honesty, and integrity. And inside, he's like, I'm a player. I'm going to play. Yeah. Although I will say, I will say, I knew that Colby was a player before season 50 started Eric, right?

So he didn't hide it that well because if I was hearing about it and I wasn't even in the game, I knew he was coming in and playing hard. And it was, we knew he was making calls. We knew he was having Zoom conversations. You know, I'm very close with Angelina. So I was like, I was hearing. I was going to say, Angelina talked about that. Yeah, she knew this stuff.

So it wasn't as hidden. In the game, I think he did a really good job of hiding that like I'm going to play. But now that I think about it, free game, it was out there. It was out there. Yeah. But the people who were mad at it were those like Angelina, who he no longer has to worry about. And me. also it doesn't have to worry about

yeah exactly ever now there was also the situation with Genevieve as it related to Aubrey and I mentioned this earlier how this all came to be as a little hazy to me looking back to Kyle's interview with Mike Bloom he said Aubrey acted normal around camp

but that that conversation the one that we saw put up a red flag in Genevieve's head, understandably so. And Aubrey may have been throwing Genevieve's name out before Genevieve said anything about Aubrey. From Genevieve's viewpoint, she told Dalton Ross that Aubrey gave her a great compliment of looking up to her when they first met, quote, and then within the first 48 hours, the alliance I was starting to work with on VATU had multiple people coming back to me

being like, Aubrey's dragging you, Aubrey's going around saying you're scary. We got to watch you. So did Genevieve do something to cause Aubrey to feel that way? We don't know. Yeah, it'd be nice to get a little bit more context on this. Yeah, we probably won't know at least until Aubrey is giving interviews. And even then, she may have a different viewpoint about it than Genevieve does. So it may be that we never truly know.

But the thing is, even with Genevieve knowing this, and this is where, you know, we had a bit of a disagreement earlier, she needed to do some more pretending to be nice because it goes back to being, you know, it was very clear where she stood in regards to Auburn. But she told Mike Bloom, the game is a really stressful situation. And so if there's something negative, it's easy to let that fester and build. And so I understand it. It's hard to pretend to be nice to someone who is not nice to you at all or who is giving you bad energy back.

Yes. I mean, we probably almost everyone listening to this podcast knows what it's like in a work situation where there's that one person who is just an ass to you all the time. And yet you're not in a position where you can say to them, I hate you. You have to take their calls and smile and work with them. And I hated having to do that. But, you know, I had my rules post. or in my office.

So I would look up and see, pretend to be nice. I feel like, Jessica, you had this with like Sunday, Brett and Chris. Oh, yeah. The whole time. Yes, this is why I'm sitting here kind of feeling a particular way, is that, you know, as soon as there was that shift from the polvo and then all of a sudden I was kind of cast aside, there really was like, it didn't matter what I attempted to do. their decision was made and I and I and that's why like when Chris and I were actually voting against

each other and I put all of my faith in the people I was playing with to be like please keep me and not Chris and Chris went home that was one of those types of moments where it was just I knew that there was no chance that that was ever going to be corrected or fixed and and I you know and I think that it really just boils down to how players are playing each other right and so Chris told me afterwards that he's like, as soon as I made Sunday cry, I knew I had her. And that was what, you know, so, so Chris was utilizing her emotional response to control how the game was going to necessarily be played moving forward against me. And so it was one of those situations where he was, he was certainly playing up, you know, the, I'm going to pretend to be nice to Sunday

over here, not to say that their relationship wasn't genuine, but as far as gameplay was concerned, Yeah, there was a whole lot of that going on between the three of them against me. And so, yeah, there's a little bit of a trauma. Trauma, it's trauma. And you try to put it on holes for as long as you can, but at a certain point, it comes to a head. Yeah. Yes. Yep.

Yeah. And I do wonder, in a big merge situation, maybe they could have voted together for a few votes. I mean, that's what, you know, Jessica voted with Sunday, Brett, and Chris. for a couple votes. Right? It can't be. That's a new era thing. We talked about that.

Only in the new era do you vote with your arch enemy for a couple votes. This is why we need to go back to larger votes. We're new era. I still think we just played. It was not 10 years ago.

You can't convince me of that. Look at how good we look. Look at Jessica. Come on. She looks the same. I mean, she gets comments on YouTube all the time about that. I appreciate it.

I remember when I first saw Jessica, I was like, she's either like, like, 21 or 40. Like there's nothing in, I like, I couldn't decide if she was like super, super young or not. It was the strangest thing. I had no idea how old. I love that. That's a good. Thanks for sharing. And then they helped you out by putting her on the Gen X tribe.

Yeah, then I knew. They were like, hey, by the way. she is old and we're just going to tell you now you know that yes fascinating thanks CBS for really just announcing that to the world

for me that's great it's good time I'm Gen X age now oh gosh it really has been that long hasn't it I would be old enough

to be on the Gen X tribe well that's why people are saying What's the next thing? You're like Paul now. Wilkinson comment, wrong. I still have that old. I've got some, I still have some years to go. Love you, Paul.

If you're listening, he's not. He's not. All right. Well, the six rewards against being too much of a threat. And all three of these players definitely had issues here. Though, as we've already hinted at, not all of those issues were things they could do anything about. The main one was, as we mentioned earlier, Camilla,

who had a huge target coming into the game because everyone else had seen her play like two weeks before flying to Fiji. Genevieve too, though, no? Like, did it feel like Genevieve also seen as like a very strategic, very capable, strong player here? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why I said all of them, you know,

had it to one degree or another. And then Colby's a legend. And, you know, they've all got their threat levels for various reasons. Right. I mean, you know, Camilla, even worse because it was top of the mind. And they literally said in the reunion she would have won if she had won fireman. You know, she would have won the game. I do think having Kyle go out helped.

But again, all of this is basically out of all of their control. It's just their reputations. Yes. So, yeah, she barely had any time to try to. get it out of people's mind or get her own actual self into people's minds. And, you know, like Chrissy said at one point to another player that she wanted to get Camilla out because she's very sneaky and twists words. I don't think Chrissy saw Camilla being that way in this game.

I think she saw Camilla being that way in Survivor 40. Oh, 100%. Inside the game, the one that I would have to question the most would be Colby. because he made it very clear that he was on the top of his group. Yes. Whereas you look at somebody like coach, also in that group, keeping his head down better. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. I think once knowledge of the Zoom alliance spread, it kind of melded in with his other alliances to make him, like we said, the head of the snake. Well, not like we said, seri said. Is coach part of the Zoom Alliance? Do we know this? I know he's a part of the Alliance, but was he on the Zoom?

We don't know. That's fascinating. I'd love to talk about Zoom. You think so? That's just speculation though, right? It's speculation along with memory of little tidbits I've picked up. So could be wrong. Interesting.

Coach, if you're listening. Has he ever said that before, Jessica? Could be wrong. Could be wrong. Oh, actually. Now that you mention it, I have right here. You said there all the time. Guess I was wrong.

And I will forever keep that. He actually posted that. But there it is. And I will keep it framed forever because, yeah. So just want everyone to see that that he actually admitted in response to another post that I had made. So it does exist in the world. David Bloomberg is wrong about. just a guess. No, that he guessed he was wrong. He's not sure about that. Well, that's true. He still doesn't

There's still a chance he could have been right. Right. Yeah. I mean, she may have that. She may have that framed, but she has a sweatshirt that literally says, David, you're right on it. Okay. Yeah. Which is more important. Which we owe to David, right. I mean, and Michelle, like, that's where that all comes from. Yes. So, yeah. So again, we're paying homage to. You're right. You know, Millennials versus Gen X again. That, you know, look at. It was, it's like just all come full circle, right? That I'm meant to be here because of all of that. I also had a, I also had a video.

I don't know if I have it handy now of Camilla last season or not last season, two seasons ago saying, David, you're good. So, you know, that's also a good one. Fascinating. But yeah, I mean, you know, with Colby, when they were debating, like, do we get rid of Colby or coach? Ceri pointed to the threat level that Colby had as the person whose loss would have the most impact on the old school alliance. Which is really quite fascinating when you think about it because Colby is a legend and it's obviously done really well in previous seasons, but then not so well in other seasons.

And so like to see him be like referred to as the head of the snake, I was like, look at him coming back all these years later and just like taking control the way that he did. And Adam already talked about it. I mean, he was, he was very clearly playing the game before the game even started, which is pretty, I mean, pretty impressive as far as a Colby is concerned because he's, it just seems to be like a new version of him. So that was great to see. Now, what was not necessarily so great to see was right after Surrey was telling D and Emily, like he's the head of the snake, he has the most influence.

Colby sits down with D and says, I have the most influence. I can, you know, I can work with, you know, if you come with me. I mean, he was phrasing it as if you work with me, I can get you with all these other people. You want to sit at my table? Come on over. Yeah. It's funny that that happened right after. It's like he basically just admitted to everything Surrey had said.

Right. But is that a bad play? I don't know if that's a bad play at that point. Because once everybody knows that, owning it and saying, let me help you and let me actually use that to your advantage. I think is a good play there. I mean, did he know that everybody knew that? I don't know. But they did.

They did know. He didn't know he suspected and he was right. Yeah. But I still think it's like, I don't know. I understand what he was going for. I just don't think it's the right play to tell D, I will get you in with my group because I have so much influence. I think if you know anything about D, D is going to say,

oh, you have so much influence, get out. Get out. I mean, just having seen her play the game, having knowing how she thinks. She doesn't want to be with the people who has the most influence. She wants to be the person who has the most influence. Well, and she did on that particular tribal council too. She was basically holding court, they said,

because she had immunity. Yeah. So going back to Camilla. I do want to mention there was another issue in this rule with her because when she and Dee flipped to blindside Charlie and not tell Jonathan, this was a perfect example of what I'm talking about with Dee. They were basically stepping up to a power position. They chose the target. They chose who not to tell. And that meant they were capable of doing that again in the future.

I don't think that's the type of alliance Jonathan envisions being a part of. again, he doesn't want to be with people who are making the decisions. He wants to be making the decisions. So that made Camilla a threat. Genevieve, as you mentioned, Adam also had some of that coming into the game, especially apparently from Aubrey. But Genevieve told Mike Bloom, the only explanation I've ever got is that it was, quote, all out of respect.

And where would that respect have come from? Of course, we know that was her previous time because that's the only place it could have come from at that point in the game. And so that's the likely reason Aubrey was so wary of her from the start as they basically circled each other like two dangerous predators. And, you know, Aubrey said she did not trust Genevieve and believe that they think alike. And she would have to cut Genevieve's throat before Genevieve cut hers. And again, all from before the game. Yeah, this is why we've said it multiple times, but it really is about a lot of trauma and pre-game issues

and how you've played the game previously. So to try to get away from any of that idea of being a threat is incredibly difficult when it is a returning player season, and you have so much information about the people you're playing with. I also think this is both Aubrey's trauma and adaptation. The last time she got raked over the coals for telling everybody, I'm with you. I want to work with you.

I want to work with you. So she probably came in this time and was like, I need to make it clear that I'm against somebody. Yeah. It's a reaction to the last time she played and the reason she was voted out. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Or at least if you're going to tell everyone that you have to use different words. Can't say the same words to every player. Yeah, but I think her lesson here is, I need to have enemies. Right. Right. Yeah. She'll have to find a new one now.

Her, you know, her super villain enemy is gone. All right. Well, moving into Rule 7, it covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. And we mostly have only one person to talk about here. That would, of course, be the person who found two idols yet was not allowed to keep either of them. And, yes, that had to be frustrating for Genevieve. She told Mike Bloom, she used the first one to build bonds on her tribe by sharing the information and working with others to show she was taking their thoughts into consideration

and not trying to use it against them, thereby building trust. And I think that was very smart thinking on her part. I think she's playing the best way she possibly can with the terrible hand that she was dealt. Because I do think that if CBS Survivor Powers of B are interested in utilizing the Zoom ring idol as they have been, I think it still needs to require a choice for the player to utilize it as a boomerang idol or keep it for yourself because the way in which she wanted to play it is a great idea and how is it going to potentially build trust with someone by delivering it to someone. But if that's the choice that the player is making, so I can keep it

or I can utilize it to try to further my game. I just feel like there needs to be a choice for the player to actually keep an idol that they find as opposed to being forced to have to figure out who to give it to, although I can appreciate the reasons why she chose the people that she did. The people, because two, not just one. I think if they made that optional, it would happen approximately zero percent of the time. Yeah, you'd have to make it more powerful to give it away. Yeah. But I hate the fact that this is what maybe when, I don't know, if you've already found a boomerang,

I don't know, now you get to choose to keep this one if you want. I just, you know, something. Like it's really, I just think that it's, it's, I can appreciate the idea, but it's also really frustrating. It must be frustrating for someone like Genevieve to know that she has found the one thing that could potentially save her. Oh, you're not allowed to keep it. So we were just kidding. You got to give that to someone. And oh, good.

You found another one? Guess what? You have to give that one away too. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's, blame Billy. you know, she's the one who knows it. She's clearly super involved. Yes, yes, that's probably why.

She realizes it was a terrible idea, and that's why she's been hiding and not getting involved. Now, Genevieve was, you know, I complimented her for how she used that idol to, you know, try to further a social game. And she was also right, as we talked about, to figure out that Aubrey had an idol, even though the timeline, as we discussed,

did not make it look that way. But whatever the timeline was, it's great she was right. But much like finding those two idols, what did it gain for her? Nothing. Yeah, nothing. So, but she gets our compliments. So what more could you ask? You know, like Adam, you asked earlier, what good does it do?

If you play this way and it still doesn't matter, you get our compliments on the podcast. And what more could any player hope for? I don't know. They're going to sleep sound like. in a pile of not money but compliments. I think I'll take the money. Now, the other items Genevieve had an interaction with was, of course, her shot in the dark.

We saw her in the voting booth contemplating the odds, what they were, that Christian wanted to work with her, and if they were more than one in six. And she definitely, and somewhat obviously, came to the correct answer, that the odds that Christian was going to work with her were way less than one in six. I believe they were zero and six. And she doesn't have to deal with the repercussions of not trusting him like Camilla did

because Camilla was theoretically in an alliance with Jonathan. She was not in alliance with Christian. So not as damaging if she's wrong. Yeah. So again, it didn't hit, but at least she made the correct decision and she gets our compliments. And she'll sleep sound. That's right. I do also want to bring up Colby here because he amusingly said near the start of the game,

I don't have the mental capacity to keep up with everything that's in play with the new era. We feel you, Colby. We feel you. We've made mistakes this season. I need that on a T-shirt. Oh, thank you, Colby. That's a great T-shirt line right there. I mean, you know, how many, you know, in one podcast, we forgot that Ozzie.

could only use the idol on himself. We were talking about, oh, he could play it for this person. We forgot. Remember doing all the others. I believe that on no-it-alls this week, Stephen made the same mistake. I think he was talking about that.

So, yeah, it's a lot to keep track of. And so, you know, Colby, we get it. We get it. But we also know Colby lost his vote and therefore his chance to even play a shot in the dark, which, you know, was what he said, sealed it against him. And I mentioned a little while ago,

I have to disagree with that. I think even if he had his vote, it still would have come down to the other three choosing between him and coach. And we already discussed the reasons they preferred him. I don't think the outcome would have changed.

Well, he had a one and six. He would have had a one and six. Right. One and six could have changed. And the other, but the other difference was they would not have been honest with him about voting him out.

Just in case they could fool him into not playing his shot in the dark. And what that would have meant was we would not have gotten this big emotional ending because they wouldn't have told him, yes, you're going out. He wouldn't have given this speech at the end and everything else. Everybody in tears out there. We would have missed all of that. Almost everybody.

Yes. Not Emily. She's, you know, she's controlling her emotions. Or trying not to get dehydrated. You know, that's the real play here. Let everyone else get. dehydrated and you keep it in. Yeah, no.

She's just telling everyone's secrets. Yeah, well, well, Adam advocates that. He does. He does. He's making very, very valid points. I'm not disagreeing with this. I think this is incredible.

Too many people on a tribe are secrets. Yes. And the people that are doing the best are the ones that are sharing those secrets and people are going, wow, they really trust me with this information, even though they're telling everyone. Well, I don't know. We're just talked about Colby, and he shared secrets. So, well, everything in, and you have to read the room.

You have to kind of figure out where things are at and, and how other people are going to interpret the information that you're, that you're sharing with them. And all of those things you have to consider for sure. All right. Well, we have Appendix A still to deal with. It discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out than the weak, than the strong, then the weak than the strong. But in a weird situation like this, it's all about the first part.

keeping your end goals in mind, which basically means making it through this bad twist while putting yourself in the best situation you can for moving forward. Thank you for calling it a bad twist. Well, I mean, it is. I know, but you acknowledged it. And I appreciate that because I feel like we were being muted just a little bit about not being. No, I just said we wanted to stay off our soapboxes because we knew it was bad.

And then you took your soapbox out anyway. So it didn't even better. Just a little bit. Just for a little bit. All right. Mom and dad. Stop. fighting.

All right. Well, Jonathan was the key decision maker when it came to Camilla's vote. And before we started discussing the rules, we talked about him recognizing the need to play the game, not relying on honor and integrity and, you know, he needs to actually make moves. I think understanding that gave him the flexibility to decide between his two main alliance groups, the old school slash Zoom players or the new era people. And even as he acknowledged.

either way he had to I just don't get what like playing here looks like versus not playing like he's how he's placing like I don't know he's with both of them right so

which one's the loyal honest honest and integrity move and which one's the schemer move I mean yeah The thing is, I think, and this is something he talked about too, is he acknowledged, again, the so-called honor and integrity type of play wouldn't work, but you want to work with them, as we talked about earlier. So would you rather work with? So this, he was forced to make a decision.

That's true. But was it the right decision? We won't know. This came up on No-It-alls also. I just don't know which is the honest move. Well, the honest move is going with your honor and integrity group because, well, that's, it's both. But you're still not being honest. You're being dishonest.

Right. It makes you look more honest. And to that group. To that group. Right. And those people won't stab you in the back. Right. It's how people are going to perceive you.

But from a playing standpoint, those people are not going to stab him in the back. He can wait and stab them. the back, much like we talked about him and Colby also discussing. But if he goes with the Camilla group, he's already been maybe not quite stabbed in the back, but stabbed near the back. So he knows that. And he knew, obviously, like you said, he was forced to make a decision to have one group mad at him or another. And I mean, I don't know. He mentioned something about, oh, there'll be, you know, one group will come for vengeance or the other. I don't know about the vengeance aspect of things.

But it would just be so much more obvious to the honor and integrity group if he went against them and against honor and integrity and honesty and all those, you know, loyalty, all those other words that go together. and I just think they're easier to beat later if that group stays together. Well, wait, who's easier to beat later? The honor and integrity people. But also, I'm just going to say this, and I'm not trying to be inappropriate here, but size matters, right?

And isn't the honor and integrity group the largest group so far? I don't think so. I'm trying to put the numbers together in my head. I have it. Not after this episode. I don't. Right. Now that they've lost Colby, yeah, it might not be. And Genevieve. Yeah. Oh, okay. So see, that's interesting because going into, since we saw Camilla, their tribal happened first, Jonathan doesn't know that the next two people that are going to be voted out are two people from that honor and integrity crew. So he might also just be looking at the size and saying, well, there's more of honor and integrity people than there are. This other. faction that I've been working with. And so that makes more sense because there's more of us.

But then you lose two. This is a really bad night for the honor and integrity. Yes. It really was. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the thing is,

it's hard to say what the group is. You know, there's the honor and integrity group. And then there's the non honor and integrity group. But who knows if all those people are really together? There could be little crap. I don't see them as a solid alliance. They are not bound by honor and integrity.

Well, right, but I feel like that group is more easily distinguished and determined as opposed to... The honor and integrity group has a plurality, but not the majority. That's the way I see it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it just depends how the others choose to go. So I think by him going there, like I said, at least he knows he's not going to get stabbed in the back.

Yeah. They're like the six. They're like me, Jessica, Ken, Hannah, Dave, and Zeke going into the murder. urge, we're not the majority, but it's a strong group. Can everybody else figure it out and dispatch them? And I think that in this case, they're much more likely to figure them out, in part because they talked on Zoom and are openly talking about that. Right.

See, it's not always good to have all the information out there. See? Yeah. Moving to Genevieve, I touched on this a bit earlier, but there was the, disagreement between Devons and Aubrey about who to vote out. And Aubrey wanted Genevieve gone for all the very good reasons we have spent the last two hours discussing. Devons proposed voting Joe out because Genevieve could have had something that while they

knew Joe did not. As Devin said, it was a small risk in voting Genevieve versus no risk in voting Joe. Except, of course, that small risk was made much larger for him because it was all aimed at him. So I understand why he pushed for it. but even though we didn't see the resolution of the discussion, we saw the outcome, and I suspect, as I've already indicated,

that Aubrey pushed back hard and said, no, we got to get rid of Genevieve. She, you know, she may be a small risk to Devons now, but she would be a huge risk to Aubrey later if she were allowed to remain in the game. And I completely agree with that sentiment. Mm-hmm.

And she's also got an idol that she could be like, flauntine as well because oh, she got one. And Genevieve doesn't. Yes. Now, speaking of Aubrey's decision, she absolutely did the right thing in saying she would play her idol.

But once the shot in the dark failed, not playing it. Which I don't think that's fair. I do not think that on the dark should be red. No, I think, I think that every, like, you need to, like, Jeff has to call it.

Be like, okay, you're going to play anything? And I understand pause in a way to see if anyone's going to do it. But I don't know. I just feel like there's got to be a moment where like, okay, that's it. Nothing more can be played. And then you read the shot in the dark because I do think of that. I mean, like when Rachel used the shot in the dark to see if she needed to play her idol.

You know. And I can understand that. But that was the first time that I actually saw it being like it was a consideration that the person who potentially play an idol was going to wait and see what the scroll said before the decision was made as to whether or not they should play the shot in the dark. Like that's inside information you shouldn't have when you're making that decision to play your idol. Either you play it or you don't and then we determine what's in the scroll from the shot in the

dark. My humble opinion. My other soapbox. Okay. I'll get down. Yeah. So speaking of decisions related to this. I have seen some people say, and I can't remember, Adam, you may have mentioned this earlier, that, actually you did, that Devin's and Christian should have blindsided Aubrey. Well, actually, what you said was she should have encouraged them to blindside Aubrey, I think. Yeah, I said, I wonder if maybe there's more of a, I mean, I said either way, it's not going to happen. Right. Genevieve was sort of dead in the water no matter what. But is maybe that.

a slightly more likely outcome than going after Devin's. I don't know. They're pretty close to zero. Right. Now, what some people have said is some people outside the game, have said that Christian and Devin's should have blindsided Aubrey to get the boomerang idol back. But to me, that's insanity.

A solid ally is worth so much more in this game than an idol you can use one time and you have to backstab somebody publicly to get. agreed. So just wanted to make that. For the decision between Colby and Coach, it wasn't just a matter of the head of the snake or the tail of the snake, but also of getting, as we talked about,

rid of one or both. And so we already discussed this, really. So I don't know that there's much more to say other than, you know, we have what we have from Colby saying, that he believes that, Ceri was thinking, I don't want him on the jury.

But we don't know that, like you pointed out. So did they think about it? Did they not? We don't know. We may not know for a while or indeed ever. It may have simply been they didn't want to roll the dice. You know, like we don't know if he's getting medevacked. Let's get rid of the head of the snake for sure.

Yeah, quite fair. All right. Well, it is about. time to wrap things up for Camilla, Genevieve, and Colby. So Adam, what are your final thoughts on all of them? They got screwed by a twist. Ooh. I mean, look, the episode, it wasn't the best.

No. Every group was a foregone conclusion, at least in my mind. Even if Camilla didn't know, I did, and that's what's important. And I hope that we get to see like a real merge vote. And I felt bad for all three of them. It's just kind of a sad way to go out without really a real chance to fight for their life and save themselves through voting. Yeah. So, sorry, guys.

You're such a casual. That's how I feel. I feel the same. I will say that I do agree with that sentiment as well. I think that season 50 has been sold to us as this season of legends and people were going to love to see play the game and how just fantastic it's going to be. And we keep getting blamed for all of the decisions that are being made because this is in the hands of the chance of the game. No.

This was not us. We did not want this. Nobody asked for this. Nobody ever wants this. I truly do think that we missed out, that CBS missed out on a like golden opportunity to see some really serious gameplay happening. Because 17 people on the beach together and forcing them to have to like hash it out and figure out who's going to go where and who's going to be with who. And then if you want to shock them all, send them to tribal and they go, okay, three people are getting voted out tonight, by the way. Do it that way.

You know, force them to have to then think on the fly when they're at the tribal council. Give them a chance to scheme. We complain about that too. I know. For sure. We would. Yeah. We would.

But it would be a different type of complaint because I do think that we have. And that matters. That matters. Because here we have three people who I do think were positioned in a very interesting place in the game. Right. I mean, Colby was positioned as the head of the snake. We've talked about that. So he was clearly in what could be.

seeing is a great position in the game with a really strong alliance. I completely forgot that Genevieve was also part of that as well. And so we lost two people in what could have been the majority alliance going into this potential merge. We've now lost two. And then you have Camilla, who is kind of playing that middle space, but figuring out who she's going to be playing with, which is including, you know, Surrey and Rizzo and D. And so we had a really cool group forming over there. And unfortunately, we didn't get to see any of those groups do anything. with the information they all had because of what we ended up with with this twist. That being said, I again, will get off my soapbox.

I do think that Camilla and Genevieve and Colby all were playing different types of games because they are different types of players, right? And we had an opportunity to learn so much about them in each of the seasons that we saw them play, that it was lovely to see them each kind of develop and hone the skills that they've learned. Colby completely surprised to me because he would be the last. last person I would have thought would have been pre-gaming as much as we've now come to learn. I did not think that that would be something that Colby would be interested in Part of being in so much. But it clearly worked for him thus far until he found himself in this group of

five. And then we have Camilla, who is someone who was really in a difficult place coming into the game because everyone had just seen her play. And so they had all of that recency bias. They knew what her capabilities were. And she was someone that they were talking about pre-game as being a concern, as was Genevieve. And again, Genevieve is much more recent. And Genevieve, she scares me and I've never even played Survivor with her. She just has that thing about her that really makes you pause and go, ooh, like, what's happening there?

Because she is so kind of calculated. And the last season we saw her really be much more calculated than she could have been this season because everyone had just seen what happened. So I think all in all, they were struggling with what they were coming into the game. with because of their previous games. They had to account for the games everyone had seen them play and try to develop their game moves and mechanics and strategies around what they were coming in with, inclusive of what everybody knew about them and the trauma that we've talked about, everybody's suffering

from their prior games that they've played. So all in all, I think these are three incredible players that I wish we had been able to see more of because they really did have a place on this season, I do think. and it's unfortunate that this is how they've gone out of the game with what really is a horrible, horrible twist. Well, yeah, three players going in one night at an alleged merge was not ideal to say the least. It's the same thing we talk about every season,

this urge by Jeff Probst to talk about social relationships being important, but then throwing in added randomness for no reason. But it's something that players should expect it. this point, like it or not. It's easy to focus on the bad luck. Yes, these groups were not great, not even a little good for any of our three players here. But leading up to that point, they had other random situations that were very good for them. Almost everyone in this game can point to some bad luck and some good luck. And it's how you prepare for it ahead of time and deal with it when it hits that matters. Camilla thought she was prepared, but she had just left

Jonathan out of a vote where she flipped against their ally. And he was in a position of deciding between two alliances himself. Genevieve seemed well prepared for most outcomes, but that presumed everyone who said they were with her actually would have been. And we simply don't know because she never had to go to a tribal council before. And she was not prepared for the situation of ending up on a tribe with the person everyone knew she had been targeting along with two of that person's allies. Colby was in a similar situation, probably even more solid in knowing he had a number of allies from both before and during the game.

But as he said, there were also people who he didn't vibe with and he ended up with them. We also have to remember, these were not the only combinations that would have been bad for each of them. Devons and Christian were not the only two people in the game who wanted to work with Aubrey. Surrey, D, and Emily were not the only people in the game who were not the only people in the game who would want Colby out, and Camilla was in a similar situation that seemed to hit harder because it was Jonathan who turned on her. I was sad to see each of these players go, though I also would have been sad to see most of the

other choices go as well if things had turned out a little differently. Each of them had good aspects to their games, but each also made mistakes of one type or another relating to their position in relation to those around them. Colby had a well-defined set of allies, meaning other people also knew where they stood with him. And he could have addressed some of the problems he faced by pushing harder, for example, to throw a challenge earlier. Genevieve made it clear to every person in Fiji who her target was. Camilla pulled a fast one on the very person she needed to count on in this vote. As a quick side note, I want to mention I definitely enjoyed watching Colby this time much more than last,

maybe more than any of his previous appearances. And he clearly enjoyed playing it more. I'm glad he could leave on this higher note, even telling the other four to find the joy in the game. Based on the way each of these three left and what they said in interviews, I think all of them found the joy even if they had bad luck. Because, sure, luck played a huge role. As it does or can, whenever there's a swap, a merge,

what immunity challenge is played on a given day, who is in what group for a reward challenge, and even what starting tribes are put on. Colby asked Rob in their interview if Rob saw anything he could have done. And Rob said, no, not with that draw. And I tend to agree once they got to that point. But there were things he and the other two

could have done before that, as we discussed. It's not only the end point that's important. It's everything that led up to it. And that is why Camilla, Genevieve, and Colby lost. And they got unlucky. Yes. I said that. Those damn rocks.

Very well done. All right. Well, before we get to our predictions for next episode, I want to mention that next week, we are continuing the David versus Goliath Prane. And it is David Wright joining us. So. Yes. You know I married him? Pardon?

You know I married him? I did not know you married him. Are you like, are you like Surrey? You know, you're, uh, or he's, I've married a lot of people. I actually marrying someone in October. One too many. I'll say that. I'm sorry.

I shouldn't laugh. It's kind of funny, though. I'm glad you could say that. I'm glad you could laugh. Yes. No, I've, I've officiated five weddings. And David Wright was one of the. David Wright officiated my wedding.

Whoops. Yes. His records, not so good. Not so good. We'll try not to bring that up next week. All of my marriages are still together. Ah. Well, good.

I will be officiated in October. So this will be. You'll be what? I'm officiating a wedding in October. Oh, universal. Life Church? I haven't done it yet, but I need to. Yes, I have to.

You just put in your email. Wow. Join me and Jeff Ropes. I know. This will be so much fun. I'm excited. And David, apparently. That's right.

And David, right. Yes. Well, that'll be fun. All right. Well, we do want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available as a poster. Yes. A poster on a T-shirt. Yes.

And a checklist on a T-shirt. So as I had mentioned, in case you didn't have your pen and paper handy at the time, go to rob has website.com slash yX lost feed. And you can scroll down and click on that. Now, Adam, before we get to predictions, where can people find you online? My website, if they want help with their audition video for any show, is Adamcline.com slash casting. my Instagram is Survivor Adam

and yeah I basically don't use Twitter or X very much anymore so but I guess they can tweet at me or exit me or whatever at Adam Scott Klein I guess He sounds like me I really don't spend very much time on social media nowadays but I am at Jessica Lewis 89 on Blue Sky and Twitter or X whatever you'd like to call it and I'm at Jessica Lewis 6-789 on Instagram

However, I will say much of the content that I do put on to my Instagram account comes from David Bloomberg's. I should say my stories because I just steal everything David Bloomberg posts. He has become a social media guru and he has so many platforms that he has a link tree in order to find all of the content that he does post for the world. So David Bloomberg, talk about your link tree, would you? Yes. You could find that at Linktree slash David Bloomberg. You can find me directly on Blue Sky as at David Bloomberg and on the video sites YouTube, TikTok and Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV.

I continue to post about two or three reality TV short videos every day, almost all about Survivor 50, but sometimes other things strike my fancy. I posted one about a local news show that was a very awkward moment that I just happened to see. I posted about a British TV crime dromedy that mentioned Billy Eilish and answered the question of what does this have to do with Billy Eilish? So I posted that and that was a very funny coincidence. It just happened to be on last week. So, yes, you can find all of those things, like I said, at David Bloomberg TV. Just be careful, Jessica, because I used to always share my.

ex-wife's stuff and then you know if anything happens with this podcast and he deletes all his stuff half of your posts are going to disappear off your page so I'll be mindful of that she said she does stories stories only last the day anyway so

wasn't meant to last I will be mindful of that in the future you could just see your whole social media page just disappear overnight I mean, it pretty much has anyway, you know. So she doesn't. So, all right. Well, predictions.

Next week, we know Jonathan and Dee get into it, presumably about him voting out Camilla. And coach gets pissed. Other than that, I can see from press photos that the players will be split into two groups for a challenge. No. It seems to be, well,

it seems to be the reward challenge. And then, like, goes on to win immunity. That seems to be the type of challenge that it is probably. So we will probably only say goodbye to one person next week,

which could be interesting in a 14-player vote. You know, we'll finally get to see how all the different pre-game and in-game alliances line up for a moment here. This is where, so this is how I see it. The group with the most overlapping allies

appears to be Surrey, Ozzie, Rizzo, Christian, Devons, Emily, D, Aubrey,

and Tiffany, which is a, let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

a majority. If those stay together, then the honesty, integrity group is in trouble. And so,

in that case, Jonathan chose poorly and could pay for it immediately. I do think that Jonathan going is unlikely if we consider Hubicki's law because Jonathan was featured in the preview, as was coach. Usually you're featured in the preview.

You're not the one going home. So if we go with that, unless you're me. I think, pardon? Unless you're me. Well, there are, there are rare exceptions.

But yes, you know, what is it? every law has its exceptions. But my thinking is one that Jessica will not like. I think it will be someone quieter in that group. Chrissy. No, it can't be.

It just can't be. She's my winner pick. So she's not going anywhere. It's all there is to it. Well, who do you think it'll be? God, I don't even know. I don't even know. All right.

So let's see. we left looking at here? Gosh. Adam, do you want to go while she thinks? I mean, I definitely think it'll be somebody from that group. I think Chrissy is definitely a strong possibility. I'll say, Stephanie. Oh, interesting.

All right. Why are we so convinced that it's this group? I mean, just because Numbers. Yeah, numbers. If the other group sticks together. Yeah, if the other group sticks together. But I, I'm just going to say Tiffany.

Okay. How? I don't know. I'm just picking someone at this point. I'm terrible at it. You know how good she is at picking at random? Come on. Oh, true.

Ouch. This is painful. I'm so. I need therapy. A humiliation ritual. Yes. I just, why do I do this to myself? I don't know. I don't know either.

Anywho. You love it. You love it. Even that blood moon looks like a white rock like taunting you. No, it's red. It's not white. Yeah. It's all, listen, it is what it is at this point.

If I can't laugh at my life, then I would just be crying all the time. Same. Yes. Yes. All right, well, as we wrap up here before everyone starts crying, I want to encourage people to check out the RHAP patron program

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It's lovely and catchy. It's a great tune. and I must say thank you so much Adam Klein for joining us because it has been a long time since we've had a chance to do this and it's always lovely having you and you have a special place in my heart

you always will and so thank you so much for being here we appreciate that love you too thank you guys yes thank you for me also Adam it was great to have you it always is

thank you Jessica it is always great to have you you know even even if I may make little jokes Even it's traumatic. Yes. I want to give a special message. Go, Illinois, final four. And waiting to see if the price is drop enough.

I'm three hours away. If they drop enough. That'd be fine. I may do it. I may do it. What's the threshold? What does it have to get to? I don't know.

That's the thing because I saw them drop. And I don't know because it depends on where the seat is. Because it's in a football stadium. It's a basketball game in a football stadium. which means there are some seats that if I could actually see the game, I would pay that price. But I'm not paying $400 to be like, is there a game going on somewhere? So, yeah. So that's, you know, yeah, if it were $400 to have a seat right up front, sure, I'm there.

That's not going to happen. So we'll see, we'll see. Have to make that decision right about the time this podcast hits the, it actually gets published, I think. So, but in the meantime, I will be on social media. If anyone wants to contact us, and then we will see everyone in a week with David Wright. Bye.