RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 8 w/ Dr. Jeremy Faust

Episode Date: April 18, 2026

Why ___ Lost Survivor 50 Ep 8 w/ Dr. Jeremy Faust Coach and Chrissy were the tightest of allies from the start of Survivor 50. So it’s appropriate they left the game together. Chrissy did worry though, saying, “I don’t want to go home because of Coach’s fricking shenanigans.” Is that what happened? Or were there other, more complicated, reasons for one or both of them? Dr. Jeremy Faust joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to discuss everything about their games, plus thoughts on the Double Duo twist and more! At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Coach and Chrissy Lost. Why Blank Lost returns with a look into Survivor 50’s biggest double elimination yet, hosted by David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis, with special guest Dr. Jeremy Faust. In this milestone episode, the trio unpacks a wild week where an unprecedented duo twist sends Coach and Chrissy home together and shakes up the path to the endgame. Jessica and David kick things off debating the fairness of Survivor 50’s controversial twist, forcing players to pair up for a vote they never saw coming. Dr. Jeremy Faust weighs in on the strategy behind choosing partners without knowing the consequence, and how old-school players like Coach and Chrissy quickly became vulnerable. They scrutinize Coach’s relentless focus on “honesty, loyalty, and integrity,” showing how his inability to adapt and scheme left him exposed, while Chrissy’s social game falls flat as she clings to a single alliance and misses out on broader connections. Standout moments in this episode include: – Jessica Lewis and David Bloomberg’s analysis of the duo twist – Dr. Jeremy Faust’s comedic and strategic take – Coach’s public missteps – Chrissy’s trouble using past “trauma” for growth, – Cirie’s near-invisible maneuvering to shift the target, As alliances fracture and the numbers dwindle, the hosts wonder: Was the twist really to blame for Coach and Chrissy’s exit, or were they doomed by their own rigid gameplay? Who will seize control as the game moves past this explosive Tribal Council? Don’t miss this week’s Why Blank Lost as David, Jessica, and Dr. Jeremy Faust break down the true reasons behind the double boot, the rise and fall of honor-based alliances, and what it takes to win Survivor 50! 0:00 Start 4:09 Chrissy’s Edit and Alliance Frustrations 10:12 Player Agency and Twist Fairness 19:06 Jeremy Faust’s Top Ten Season Rants 29:35 Devens’ Fake Idol at Tribal 43:43 Rule One: Scheme and Plot Breakdown 59:28 Coach and Chrissy’s Fatal Trust Issues 1:06:16 Chrissy’s Social Game and Comfort Zone 1:29:34 Coach and Chrissy Lack Flexibility 1:36:38 Emotional Gameplay and Player Awareness 1:47:41 Social Game: Nicknames and Exclusion 2:03:05 Coach and Chrissy As Vote Targets 2:14:14 The Jury, Alliances, and Strategic Endgame Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serve To pre-order Rob’s book, The Tribe and I Have Spoken, visit www.robhasabook.com LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH: Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT: Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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That's R-A-K-U-T-E-N. If you've lost Survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and we'll show you how. You're playing yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank Lost. This is Y Blank Lost. Oh, baby, this is Y Blank Loss. Welcome back to the 10th anniversary year of Y Blank Loss podcast.

And the 25th anniversary of Y Blank Lost as a concept. I'm David Bloomberg, and fan voting using very slanted and biased questions, has told me that 98% of listeners want me to do more haikus. So you don't have yourselves to blame. Wow. In a twist, I am not going to do the hypooh. And nor is my co-host who lost her winner pick, Jessica Lewis. In fact, it will be our special returning guest who also lost his different winner pick.

You lost yours too? Is this why you're also wearing black? Because I'm in mourning. So I said I needed to wear black because my winner pick is no longer. I am not in mourning. By the way, thank you for having me back. It's great to be here. I'm not in morning because I'm not in morning because I have never been.

been rooting so hard against my own winner pick as I have been lately in coach. I thought pregame, this guy had the, based on the Mike Bloom grid, he had the most liked, the most positives, he had the most positives of anybody on a tribe with Jonathan. Yes. And I thought, there you go. But then I, then, then coach started to play Survivor. And therefore, um, I started, or not play Survivor, as we will discuss. Yes.

He started to be coach. Yes. Yes. So, okay. So David, yes, you teed me up so nicely for the poetry. And I just want to say that I wrote two poems for this occasion. And the first one, I felt, you know, I cannot do what coach did, which is to kind of desecrate the haiku in such a way. So instead, I decided to write a poem that was, you know, at my level of sophistication, the limerick. Oh, okay. And so here's how the limerick goes. There was a man known as Coach Wade. Survivor, the game that he played. But his heirs were too haughty, no strategic bones in his body.

So himself was the dragon he slayed. Very good. That was fabulous. If only we had you on a hamlet. by yourself over in the corner while you were... I'm ready. And I just want to say no chat, GPT, or AI was used for that. That was all original.

Oh, look at you. Fancy. But I did write one haiku for Chrissy. And I just want to point out there are a lot of people may have noticed that haiku are not just three lines of poetry that are 575. I know that's what coach thinks. That's very reductive. That's very reductive.

So there are key words in haiku. you can actually have different syllable counts. There's usually a kind of a reference to nature or the seasons and kind of an unexpected focal point. So I wrote a haiku for Chrissy as best I could. And here it goes for your consideration. Denied victory by twisted billows of fire and Ben Dreebergen. It's all of that. the bends. I mean, here, let's just be honest. She has the bends to blame for her issues.

All right. Ben Coach Wade. Yes. It's all about the bends. Well, here's my, here's my, um, representation for Chrissy. Are you ready? Yeah. What did they do to her? She was like hardly on and I'm very frustrated with that. So I'm, I love you, Chrissy and I don't know why we didn't get to see more of you. So I think it's very frustrating. For those to only listening, I might have removed myself from the screen for a moment. But yeah, like I, I just, I, it's frustrating. I feel for her because I feel like based upon her exit press, there was so much that we didn't see.

She's, of course, fine with it, at least is what she says. But I do think that it must be aggravating to find yourself in like the most dominant alliance, at least it appeared to be. And also to be deemed the like mother of that alliance, basically like the mother of that alliance, basically like the mother and father with her and coach. And so it's like, why didn't we not see more of that? Considering they both went home at the same time, right? Who knows?

But anyway. I mean, that may have something to do with it because they both went home at the same time. So you're sharing screen time with coach. So who do you think is going to get more screen time? I know. And you know, that's something I realize we're kind of going off on a tangent here. But I must point this out for just a moment because I do think it's a very interesting dynamic that we have between coach and Chrissy because Chrissy made it very clear.

Like, I didn't go on Survivor to be on TV, which I didn't go on Survivor to be on TV either. She's like, I didn't go on to be an influencer. I didn't go on to gain followers. Like, I was the experience and I wanted to win. That's what she wanted. Great. And then you have coach. Much different reason for being on TV.

He wanted, like, he believes he won season 50 because he will be so remembered as a character on the season. And like, and so it's, they were so polar opposite. in their representations of themselves on screen, where I really do think coach kind of lost sight of what Survivor was supposed to be about because he really was treating it as like his stage, which, okay, you have an opportunity and Jeff loves you and that's all well and good.

But as you heard from Jeremy Faust, he might have forgotten how to actually like strategize a little bit. You can't forget what you don't know, what you never learned. But yes, you bring up a very good point, which is, you know, in coaches interviews, he claimed to do certain things for entertainment value. And I know there are a lot of people, including, you know, those who are listening, who enjoy watching him for that very reason. But this podcast isn't about judging entertainment.

So that will not play a role in how we go about our analysis. So don't write comments to us and say, well, you didn't consider. Yes, we did consider, but it's not part of what we look at. There are different ways to watch Survivor. And if you want to watch him for entertainment, fine, I get it. But the way we're going to analyze these two is the same way we always do. We compare their gameplay to a set of guiding rules for winning. I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since.

We'll use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interview, social media, and secret scenes. Some of coaches interviews intermingle fact and fiction. So we'll have to, you know, pick through that. And the newest published version of the rules can be found by going to Rob has a website.com slash yx loss speed and clicking on the link bubble for survivor rules. So, yes, we know you may find coach entertaining.

And that's great. But it's not going to. come up again. Uh-huh. Now, before we get to the rules, we always have some other things to discuss. I suspect regular listeners know that the first item is, of course, our thoughts on the big twist. Now, again, this is where entertaining comes in because I've seen polls, I've seen comments. I realize I am going against the grain here. But on principle, I hate it. It's, see, I'm going against the grain of Jessica. I'm so excited right now because my God, I loved it, which I know is shocking.

I'm not complaining about this twist. It interfered with the way Survivor should be played. It kept some people safe due to no effort of their own. It narrowed down the field when it should have been wide open. You know, Shannon Gus posted on Blue Sky, something very funny. a new era survivor could a 13 person vote still be a six person vote. And that's fair point. That's fair.

Well said. Well said. Now, did I like the outcome? Yeah. Yeah, I like the outcome. And I suspect that that's part of the reason it's getting good reviews. In fact, I know some people have set it outright. Some people I've seen say, I am totally results oriented and therefore I love the twist.

Fine. But I am not results oriented. Yet so many times I will talk about a twist that was unfair or against the spirit of the game. And people will say, you just didn't like it because the person you were rooting for got knocked out. And I try to say, no, that's not the point. And finally we have a situation here that proves it because I was happy with the result and I still don't like the twist. Oh, see, and can I jump in? Is it all right if I speak for a moment?

You can jump in, but be warned. Okay, you've warned me. That's fine. Here's my thoughts on this particular twist because I think most people who listen to this know at this juncture. I am not a big fan of twists because I've said time and time again, let them play the game. Now, the reason why I am okay with this twist is because they still allowed them to control it because the players made the decisions. They didn't know what it was necessarily going to be about, but they did say, hey, here's the situation. There's 13 of you. You need to get into teams. That leaves one odd man out. We're not going to tell you what's going to happen with that odd man, but there's an odd man out. So you have to figure out who that odd man is going to be. And then you need to put yourself in teams. And so they gave them the control to make those decisions. And that's what I love about it, is that they had a twist, but the players were the ones that said, okay, and you could hear the players discussing. Do you want to be with someone that you normally work with or someone who's not

in your alliance? Do you want to be with someone who's strong or someone who's good in puzzles? They were processing this because they didn't know what it was going to be until it happened. And Surrey even said, I don't want to be responsible or someone else losing because I'm not good in challenges. So I'm going to put myself out there as the offering, if you will, to be the odd man out. And I loved that part of it because even though it was a twist in the game and something different. It was not a rock draw. It was not anything that production controlled.

The players controlled it. And then went, oh, my God. And even, I loved what Rizzo said when they were all standing on the mat. And he was asking them what they thought about it. And Rizzo said, well, it's interesting because maybe your partner is someone that everyone really has a problem with. And now you might be in trouble, even though you weren't in trouble. So it's, and I think everyone was kind of going, ding, ding, ding, ding.

coach. So I, this is why I loved it because it gave control back to the players, even though it still made this move, this twist that we've never seen before. At least in America's right. That's exactly. It didn't give them control. Having them team up without telling them why they're teaming up, that you're not giving them control.

You're giving them more control than a rock draw. But it, and yes, that is a point, you know, um, that. that is the twist as bad as the Blood Moon or Edge of Extinction? No, absolutely not. Edge of extinction, worst twist ever. You know, and yes, Aubrey, by the way, the twist and the theme were on trial in that season, and they were found guilty. But that doesn't really apply here.

Blood Moon was terrible for the reasons we discussed at the time, basically because it could randomly put people into situations where they had almost, almost no time to play, no time with the people they were supposed to be voting with, and yet they were subject to a vote. But just because this twist has less of the luck element, and it's later in the game, and they know each other better, and they got to choose their partners. So that makes this better.

And yes, it would have been worse if they had done this like they did in South Africa, and it was random partners. Mm-hmm. But less bad does not equal good. No, no, I disagree. I just disagree. I have two comments here. One is to agree with the great Dr. Christian Hubicki

to say, I don't think the fans voted for this specifically. I feel that Jeff is putting, as you might have mentioned before, I think Jeff is putting a lot of blame for things on the fans. It's like saying, do you want fruit? It's like, yes, great, here's raisins. Well, I don't like raisins, bro. you didn't ask me if I wanted raisins. You asked me if I wanted fruit.

And so I feel like he's sort of saying, the fans voted for this. And I do not recall being asked for this. The second thing I want to say is that I kind of wonder if the savvy players there are doing the math, like how many days left and how many people are going to be eliminated. And they're wondering, is they're going to, they may have seen a global survivor

where they were double eliminations. And so I kind of wonder if in this case, something like what happened where Christian links up with Jonathan, was contemplative. Them saying, look, actually, not only is that a good combo for winning a challenge,

it's also a really good combo for threat mitigation because no one's going to come for either of us because we kind of represent the two bigger kind of alliances. So I kind of wonder whether or not, even though they didn't know,

whether actually the smart players correctly suspected. Oh, I wouldn't be surprised. We won't know until they do interviews if they want to admit it. You know, according to what Christian said, the giant put his hand on him and said, let's be partners. And I think according to what coach said, Jonathan just did it because he wanted to

have more interactions with the other side or the middle people. You know, and... And that's not a bad reason for him. Oh, no, it's not a bad reason. And it turned out great, especially for Christian. Right. But you, again, it is not a good twist to do something when you're not telling people why. If it happens again,

so if this happens again in a later season and they get a note that says pair up, they'll be like, aha, we know what this is about. Well, and so, and so, but this time you have no idea what it's about.

You were only told it's for a challenge. Mm-hmm. And you might think, okay, and therefore we go on the reward together or something like that. But with no inclination that this means you literally get

voted out if people hate your partner enough. That is not a good twist. And the thing is, the interesting part about the result of this twist, but the two people who were voted off were indeed linked. So there were overlapping reasons to vote them off, which of course, we'll be discussing soon enough. Would Chrissy have gone if she had been on her own? Probably not, though it's possible that she was, because she was already so closely linked to coach in that alliance. But that's also looking at it in hindsight. Everything could have easily turned out differently if the duos were different, if Ceres shot in the dark hadn't been randomly drawn to be safe. And I have to wonder, would all the people be saying, this was a fun twist, this was a

great twist. Would you be saying that if Ceree were one of the people who were voted out? And I think the answer is no for almost all. I do appreciate that. No, go ahead. No, no, that's, I, like, I can appreciate that sentiment. Like, yes, I think that some of it is a result-oriented thinking, for sure. Yeah. And so. 80% of people want to twist with lots of power.

And by the way, I just think that that really reveals something about us. Well, he said 63%. Oh, okay, whatever it was. But the point is, we are not Main Street here. Right. You know what I mean? The average, yeah. So I just want to acknowledge, like, that what we want,

may be what's best for the game, but to the average person, and I'm on the superfan spectrum. I'm not as like the super super fans, but like I'm on the spectrum of that. The average voter, man, oh man, they're just not us. Well, also remember that those questions, as I hinted at in the intro,

were incredibly biased because the question was like, do you want a basic game where we don't add any twists? And then the one that won was, do you want lots of twists which bring a lot more fun situations? or words to that effect. They were massively, massively biased questions. And I just want to say as a scientist, and by the way, for people who don't know why I'm here,

it's not because I've ever been on Survivor. I've never been on Survivor. It's because I'm a science communicator and doctor who David thinks knows something. And so I will just say that, like, as a scientist, the way you ask questions is so important for getting the right data. So this is a big, huge, important thing.

When you look at a poll, you always want to read it very carefully. and I feel like that Jeff and the team didn't get the memo on that. Oh, they did. They did. They did it this way on purpose, I think. I think they 100% slanted the questions on purpose

to be more likely to get the answers that Jeff wanted. So, and by the way, yes, let me interrupt for a moment here because I did forget to fully introduce you. We kind of skipped through the poetry and hyacus. He was, you know, hykooing and. Yeah. I'm such a regular. I thought it's because I'm such a regular now.

There's that, but I need no introduction. I do know, you know, that you can't always be on here talking Survivor. And sometimes you have to go on those lesser places like CNN or MS now or whatever to discuss matters like health. So, you know, I did want to, you know, ask how things have been going since then. Oh. Oh, whatever. Things are great. I don't know.

I mean, thanks for having me. As I've said before, Survivor is not my favorite show. Why Blank Lost is my favorite show. It just happens if this show is about Survivor. so that's why I'm into Survivor. And so, you know, I'm having a great time. Season 50 has been wonderful. You know, I'm doing my usual stuff of writing and research

and my music stuff on the side. And no, it's great to be back. Thanks for the intro. I don't know when we're going to get to my like top 10 rants for the season. Is that now? Oh, that's later. That's later. Okay.

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Get tickets now. The Devil Wears Prada 2. Indeed is May 1st. Directed by David Frankl. Yeah, I just wanted to finish out and just say, you know, yes, the result ended up, I mean, good for my standpoint. Maybe Jessica would disagree. But it ended up good from a lot of people's standpoints who wanted to see him go. However. Yes. Yes, a big, however, that he, it could have so easily gone differently. And that's the thing. We've seen a lot of these situations where people complain. There's a random situation and you end up with a swap tribe that, you know, five of the six people were from the same tribe originally. And everybody's like, well, that's not fair.

Well, yeah, because percentages and things can happen. Well, right. But however, there are situations where, like, they, instead of doing the random rock draw or the random, just, you know, reach into the basket and you end up with that particular buff, you have a schoolyard pick where the, the players control who is put on what team for whatever it is that they're going to be doing. And so I do think that there is something to be said about combining the two things, that if they are going to include a twist and it's a twist like this,

they need to give control back to the players. And this is what we've actually talked about with the journeys as well. Like if you're going to send someone on a journey, you can't just tell them they have to do something. It should be like, here's your options. You can do this and potentially win X. Or you can just not do it and go back. and then your vote isn't affected.

But if you do X, you could lose your vote. Right. And they've not done that in so many instances where they've just been like, oh, it's either do this or lose your vote. Like, that's it. Like there's no. And so that to me is when things are different because you're forcing a player to do something you might not want to do.

Here, they had an opportunity to consider who do I want to be partners with and why do I want to be partners with this person. But they didn't say the why. That's the thing. This is the same as that because they're saying, join up, but we're not going to tell you what the consequences are. That is the almost exact same thing as a journey. Do you think, though, do you think if they had said, hey, by the way, you need to find a partner

and it's going to be for immunity. So you need to pick your partner, like, need to be smart about who you're choosing, that that would have made it almost impossible for people to actually choose partners. And would anyone have actually chosen three. So she still would have been the odd man out. I mean, I, and yeah, this is the thing. I do think there is a solution to this because I'm sure there are people out there who's like, oh, David's just a curmudgeon who hates fun.

No, I just want twists in the game to be fair. You let them know ahead of time why they're pairing off. I'm okay with it. Okay. Because then they have full information and they can decide. And it's, as Devin's pointed out, knowledge is power. it would have caused, like you said, a heck of an interesting scramble because they're still going to have to do it.

They're still going to have to pair off. They're going to have to find a way. And it's like either coach or Chrissy said in interviews, you know, would we have been parters? Probably not. We probably would have tried to find someone from an opposite alliance. And there would have been a lot of that going on. I think it would have been very fun to watch to see who wants who,

who tries to avoid it. And then at the end, maybe everybody is mixed up. And that's when you really have to decide. Now, it still sucks for someone. Yeah. You know, like maybe coach ends up paired up with Rizzo. And someone decides, well, it's worth it to get rid of coach. Sorry, Rizzo.

I mean, you still have the serif actor and everything else. And an idol, all those things too. Or, you know, coach gets paid. it up with Emily or something like that. And then they have to make a true decision of who are we willing to sacrifice to get this person out. It still sucks if you're the person that's sacrificed. But if you are if you are sacrifice worthy, it probably means that you weren't playing as

well. So it all links back to that and decisions. So that's all I want out of this twist. I mean, I prefer never appear again. But also, I'm sorry. One other thing to consider. Like, I don't disagree that that makes sense, everything you're saying, but I'm, I'm just kind of processing through.

Would they have known how the idols would affect a duo? Would an idol save both of you? Because if they had been told that, well, then everyone wants Rizzo, right? Everyone is going, you know, so it's, so how much information do you actually tell them? I think you have to give them every piece of information. It's only a fair game. if they have all the information. If you're withholding rules from people,

it is not a fair game. Interesting. And you've said this many times, both of you. So I'm just repeating things you've said before on this program. That is that when you throw uncertainty into the mix, and Christian said this, people start to play more conservatively and they actually want to be more careful

because these dynamic change is actually put in so much variability that you're trying to maintain some modicum of control. So it's ironic because Jeff wants big moves, but actually all these twists make people play more conservatively. And I just want to flag the two things that former players said on the RHAP network. One is that Jeremy Collins, my name's sick, and the only Jeremy winner ever, said, quote, I play a loyal game. I don't want to watch a loyal game.

And I thought, man, that's like the absolute theory number one of why, length loss. Like you're trying to win a million dollars. It's not make good TV. The other thing is, and I think this was really telling, is that the great Stephen Fischbach said, I wouldn't play this version of the game. Because to go out there and to leave behind all the responsibilities and everything else out there, if you feel like, yeah, I'm going to do it because I'm good at this and I know how to, I've studied this carefully, then it's worth doing. But he's basically invoking that actually it's just going out there to play some roulette. And basically, where the suns, whenever the sun sets,

whatever the, wherever the eye of Sauron is at that moment is who's going, as opposed to, you know, this kind of more deliberative thought process, then I think that it's changing the kind of players we're playing. You know, again, they always do a great job with casting. But I just think ultimately that you are

all correct in that the twists are a bit of a, you know, Pyrick victory. Like maybe it's exciting for the moment, but overall it does something a little bit to the game that I think that we don't support. Yeah. And I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I also know because some people who said, well, I like this because, you know, with so many starting players, which we all like the large number of players so we could see more people that we know and love. And so with this based starting players, you got to get rid of them. You got to get rid of them. So there has to be this and this is better than some other questions. Okay. I understand that. But you could also just have more tribal councils. I mean, you could have two tribal. You have an hour and a half. You could have a. You could have a 39-day game, for God's sake.

You could have done a longer game, you know. Oh, my gosh. What a thunk it. Yeah. So I don't see that as a reason to invoke this either. Again, less bad does not equal good. And so. Oh, goodness.

Perhaps I was so excited about it because I felt like I was finally being heard. But maybe not as much as I wanted to be. Yeah, it is, like I said, it is better. But, you know, it feels like we've been beaten down so much. It's like, oh, look. Oh, my God. That's exactly what I'm thinking, where you're like, wow, this doesn't feel that bad. It's not like I got kicked in the face this time.

Yeah, you've been, you've been fed bread and water for weeks on end. And here they come in with, you know, bread and lemon flavored water. Ooh, you know. So yummy. But yeah, like I said, it is better than many twists, but give them full information if you want them to play the game. It's like a cop pulling you over on the street. And you're like, I was going 35. That's the speed limit.

Oh, yeah, no, we decided the speed limit changed to 25 over here. We didn't put up any signs, but you should, you should just know. We should just expect you to know. Wow. I don't know. So, yeah. Now, once the players did find out the full extent of the twist, I was watching the challenge and thinking, hmm, and we already referenced this a little.

Christian and Emily, they really don't need to win immunity because they already essentially had it through their partners, Jonathan and Rizzo, respectively. You know, which Christian even noted afterwards. Now, it turned out Rizzo and Emily might have actually. been in danger if Surrey hadn't returned and no one had told Grizzell play your idol so you know

but yes I mean that's the thing some people were safe through no effort of their own whatsoever and in that moment and not just those two so those are my thoughts about that

I eagerly await the comments now fast forward to the end of the episode for the other item I wanted to bring up. We can try to keep it brief because I know where we are here already. And I know we have a lot more to talk about. Plus, I know at least no-at-alls and probably others have already mentioned this.

But I have to say, as much fun as Devin's retrieving the fake idol was, and we got all those great looks on people's faces and the scrambling that ensued and Jonathan getting mouty with Devin's and all that. it was actually completely unnecessary from a strategic standpoint because without him doing that, the vote would have almost certainly been eight against coaching Chrissy and five against Evans and Offrey. Only the honor and integrity alliance would have voted against them by that point.

I did, however, it was my original thought. I did forget about the steal a vote from the other member of that alliance. So it might have been a seven, six vote, which still would have kept them safe. But I do have to say, even though I say it wasn't necessary, Devons couldn't know that for sure, especially when it came to some people like Rizzo and Tiffany and Ozzy. And we often say, if you have an idol and you have even a smidge of a doubt,

you should play it. So I guess the same would apply to a fake idol as well. Yeah, I must say that this was also rather awesome. I was curious how they were going to make this happen because it wasn't like that was easily seen. in the place in which it was put behind those rocks. Yeah, he literally had to like rip the rocks off. So I did love that it was, it was dramatic.

And regardless of did it really have an effect on the final vote, I don't know if it necessarily did listening to Chrissy and coach talk about 6040 or, you know, what the percentages might have been. Yeah. But, but I will say this, it freaked enough people out that they, that they did. say, well, no, I'm going to, I'm going to vote differently. There were people that changed their vote because they were that worried about it. And so it certainly did have an effect.

And if anything, now it looks like he has an idol. And so he's kind of in that camp now where people are going to be thinking he has an idol. I worry it may have a negative effect. We'll get to that. We'll get to that in like an hour and 45 minutes or something. I wanted him, by the way. Oh, sorry. No, it was great.

I loved it. I wanted him to stand up with like the parchment from the Billy Elish Isle because he and Christian would have that, right? And pretend to be reading from it and be like, you must read this at tribal council and then you must put it into the fire. And then like he would never have any receipts. I would, that would have been, as the kids say, very cinema. Yeah. Well, it would have been fire, literally. Fire.

I don't know that people would have bought that necessarily. People were already asking him, I want to see the idol. I want to see the idol. And so there's never, I mean, I say there's never been. There's never been an idol hidden at tribal council before. There's never been something that said, you must throw this instruction. You know, this, this message will self-destruct in five seconds type of thing. So I don't know.

It's kind of funny he didn't show it, though, because it's a pretty good looking fake, right? Yeah, but I think he, because he knew he wasn't going to play it, I think he may have been thinking ahead to what he eventually whispered to Aubrey, which was actually it says I have to sneak it out of here. I can't use it this time. And also, I hope he finds a real one and then give someone a fake one and all that. That would be funny. That would be awesome. That's one of my ideas, by the way.

If I ever go on, I'm going to make a fake idol so that when I find a real one, I can actually screw around with the fake one. Well, you could replant it, you know, and just, yeah. That's great. I love that. All right. Well, before we go on to some things I know, Jeremy, you want to talk about, we of course have our regular segment for the season. The CBS Mornings crew is wrong about blank, and they did not disappoint.

The segment started off by Gail and her co-hosts being shocked to find out that coach's name is Benjamin. Oh, my God. So as we saw last week, they again essentially admitted to having never watched Survivor before. Like never. There was his first season. There was one player who refused to call him coach.

She's like, that's not the name his mother gave him. So, come on. Amazing. And then Gail made it worse by showing not only does she, has she never watched Survivor before, but she didn't really watch this episode. Because she asked Chrissy if she was worried about pairing up with coach because she knew he had been drawing negative attention,

so did she think she could get voted out by being in a duo with him? And Chrissy had to patiently point out that it was a surprise and they had no idea this was coming when they chose their duos, which, of course, Gail would have known if she had actually watched. The surprise aspect, kind of a major plot point. It is. Maybe Gail's busy doing things for the morning show that are not. She's like watching while on her phone, like, oh, yeah, that's that.

happening. Okay. I've got to, you know. I feel for her. Listen, I feel for her. I don't. In an indirect, oblique way, I'm sort of kind of paid to watch the pit on HBO. Kind of. Kind of. You know? Kind of. But except that I love it. So it's just a win-win. I can imagine that if I was being forced to do it for my job, I would probably, and I didn't really love it, I might phone it in, you know.

Yeah, but would you phone it in on national television? Definitely. Or if you were paid the amount of money that she was getting paid, would you have a page write you better questions? Yeah, for sure. And then, of course, Gail ended the interview with her standard terrible question of who the players were on the jury think will be the last person standing, despite the fact that they damn well know who it will be.

Oh, 100%. I know. I've complained about this before. but she just keeps doing it and somehow finds a way to make it worse each time. Because this time, she made the mistake, she wouldn't have done this if she knew coach at all, of asking coach this as part of a two-part question. And he went off on one of his typical meandering responses. And as he was doing that, you might think, okay, she'll let it drop.

She'll let him finish and let drop. No, she interrupted him to insist that he answer, and then also switched over to get an answer from Chrissy. Like, this is the most important question in all the world, rather than what it actually is, which is one they should never even ask. It made things that much more bizarre that she was so honed in on it. Like, is someone in CBS management pushing this,

that, you know, that they're forcing her to ask this question for some bizarre reason? I mean, we know that CBS News has gone through some changes and the people in charge aren't necessarily the brightest. So maybe that's the problem now. I don't know. Interesting. Yeah, I don't know either.

But at least they have started to give players a second moment on television in regards to their game. You know, that's nice that they brought that back because that was, I mean, they used to be on like the late show or the late late show. or something. That was incredible. So I think it's nice they're at least doing that. But yes,

the hosts should probably know more about the actual episode itself. Yes. And that, by the way, it would be lovely if one of the players would say, you do know I was on the jury, right? So you know that I know who won. And so that's a really silly question because I can't tell you that.

I mean, I don't think they can say that because they're not supposed to know. and some people have commented that. Like, well, it's, it's going to be a live finale. So they don't know who won. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

They may not. You know language, but right. We all knew who won my season. Yeah. They may not technically be supposed to know. Right. And they're not going to want to go on national television and say, oh, yeah, we all talked right after.

We know exactly who we voted. Or they could just say, listen, I was on the jury. We know who the final three are. So we're certainly not going to, you know, something. Yeah. But that would require them pushing back on Galluping and maybe they're not. One of them could be like, Gail ever heard of an NDA?

And then it would be like, actually, I have. And then she'll stop asking that question. Maybe. Something. Yeah. Maybe. All right. Now, I know, I know we are running a little late even for that segment.

But I know, Jeremy, you have some other things you want to discuss before we get to the rule. It's very important to me. You understand for the audience. Jessica and David do this week after weekend. It's incredible. And I don't know how they do it. It's a high quality. I'm always in all of them preparing for this.

But the one benefit is. they get to speak their minds about whatever is bothering them throughout the season. And for me, I only get this one shining moment to rant and rave about my particular craziness and observations, and I'm going to use it. So these are my 10 very brief observations about the season that really have nothing to do with this episode per se. And you want to stop me as I go, okay, whatever. Number one, it was fun to watch the returning players being birthed into the,

the casting for the season of White Lotus. Yeah. That was my first. Okay. Number two. Kyle mentioned my rule that everyone is a professional in the pregame interviews, and he confirmed to me personally that he was quoting me. Amazing. We made it to the island. We did.

I know you've made it many times. They mentioned the rule. They mentioned the, but I finally feel like I made it to Fiji. Okay. Three. Tiffany's intro to Survivor 50. failed the Bechdel test. It was literally just she's a,

she played with Q. Okay. Thank you. That was my complaint too. Yes. Yeah. Not good. Yep.

Although she's showing, I think she's doing a good job of showing. Oh, yeah. Why she is. It's just they didn't do a good job of explaining why. Everyone was like, who,

what, why? Yeah. Phenomenal player and a phenomenal person to watch play. Couldn't be happy with it. But yeah. Okay. When, number four.

When did people start calling her Emily Flippin, comma, financial analyst? When did that happen? But it's like her thing. It's like in the movie Dragnet in the 80s, they called the woman the virgin Connie Swale. Like, why? It's like, it's Emily Flippen financial analyst. And I just want to say, with all of her going back and forth, has no one yet said, she's always flipping, she's flipping the script?

Hello? Yes. It's been done. Okay, fine. Number five, Mike. I didn't get a chance to talk about Mike White. And I think that what happened to Mike White was very classic. And that is he did all these people a favor.

And Christian, like putting him on the show. But research shows you that when you do somebody a favor, the loyalty does not go the way you think you would go. Usually you think, I did you a favor. You are going to owe me. But psychologically, the person who does the favor ends up feeling more invested because they're like, no, that person still has to pay me back. And so what happened to Christian is a very classic reversal of how these things go.

So the person who does the favor becomes more. invested and that's why he was so burned by what happened to Christian. And I love the fact that even Mike White, genius that he is and success that he is, he was really kind of burned by this. I was actually kind of like the catharsis of watching him be hurt by it. I felt bad for Mike White. But I was like, this is proof like the people of my life who don't understand Survivor. I was like, y'all, Mike White play it again and he was literally hurt. That's how much this game means to people. Yeah. Okay. Number six, I love that they brought back the original Tribal Council music. It is so beautiful. It's lovely. And people have commented that. Six A, another music thing.

On a couple of occasions, they have actually used music in new ways. They orchestrated Devin's news music. He did his little dun dun dun dun dun dun dun and they had a little like orchestration in the background. I was like, this is so fun. And that gave me life. And then when else, oh yeah, when coach was singing last night, they put harmonies beneath coach. And I could have done without the beat they gave to Jeff's rap because I think that Chris Noble is going to sue for copyright infringement on bad rapping on Survivor. But generally

I like the music that I think is really wonderful. Number seven, do we need to have the return of gross food challenges or rewards for Best Camp? I know it's a social game, but like, do we really think this game couldn't just, this game is not Big Brother. We don't just put them in a house. It's something, if you want to go back to the old, this is just a thought. So Jessica says,

yes. I say yes. I think one of the most fun challenges to watch is the when they actually have to eat it too. Don't make the milkshake like they did one time. Like no, no, we're not blending anything. You're not drinking it. You need to, if it's an eyeball, you got to eat it. If it's a big bug, you got to eat it. Because to me, that just shows like how much are you willing to push yourself to win this game and do what most people would never want to do. And I just, I think they definitely need to bring that back. And this goes, the corollary to this is do we need,

I know it's a timing thing, but I kind of feel like these, these challenges that are basically like tough mudder, they're like obstacle courses. But endurance challenges are so much more iconic, the ones where they have to hang on to something. I love those.

I feel like they should just, they could make it hard so it's an hour, not five hours, but like, still. I'm with you on that as well. These are okay. And by the way, the music is stunning.

I'm glad that you brought that up. I love the music too. We're at number eight already. See, I'm going fast. Here you're so much. Okay. At 17, that was not emerged. That was a tribe swap with individual immunity.

Okay. End of comment. Oh, number nine, I already said it. I love the endurance challenges. I find the tough matters to be a snooze. Okay, great. And last, but not least, number 10, coach 4.0, drop the four, keep the one.

It's coached as ever. And I think he, everyone said this season, I'm going to change. I'm going to be new. I'm Angelina with self-awareness. I'm this on that. I think the only person who demonstrated actual difference in their play was Q.

He was playing kind of a little bit like reserved and I was kind of waiting for the real, you know, cancel Christmas Q to come out. But other than that, I think everyone's who they are and that's okay. Even Ozzy, I mean, Jonathan actually is playing more strategic these days. But generally, you got to be you.

Yeah. Q didn't have as much time. So we don't really. Right, right. You know, I did it. I got through my things. All right. You did.

That was lovely. Thank you. There were, of course, some other things going on, and I'll be posting some of that on TikTok and YouTube as at David Bloomberg TV. Right. But actually, I just want to say, you all know, this is my favorite show, not Survivor. I mentioned that. So therefore, I'm going to say, before we get to how Coach and Chrissy did,

we want to mention that the rules that we're about to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form, go to rob has a website.com slash yX loss feed and then scroll down to the poster and click on it. In addition to the poster, you can also get the rules in t-shirt forms so you can always have them near you. Or there's a way, there is the checklist version of the shirt as well. Rob has a website.com slash y blank loss feed has those links as well. Thank you. That was my dream. David Bloomberg 2.0. Yes.

And I do want to mention. Yes. I do want to mention also if you click on those shirts, although this shirt is not specifically in that link, you can get the honesty, loyalty, integrity shirt. And you may be saying, because I've had some people not realize that on the back, that's where the real, you know,

because what do you do? You proclaim honesty, loyalty, and integrity to their faces and you scheme and plot behind their back. So. Yeah. I do think it's interesting because there was some discussion about what loyalty actually means, which I'm sure we'll discuss when we talk about coach, at least in his version of loyalty and Survivor.

Yes. All right. Well, Coach and Chrissy were the tightest of allies from the start of Survivor 50, though we didn't really see it. So it's appropriate that they left the game together, even if I'm no fan of the twist. Chrissy did worry about Coach saying at one point, I don't want to go home because of coach's freaking shenanigans.

Did that end up happening to her? Or were there other reasons for one or both of them? At RJP, we know Survivor and we know why Coach and Chrissy lost. I get to say that next time. I just want to say that line I have to say next time. Okay, sorry. Okay. Remind me.

The first and most important rule is, of course, still two. Here it is. Scheme and plot. though as I mentioned last week coach still does not understand that and I even said last week we'd get to talking about what rules he broke soon enough and here we are because this is certainly one of them

we know coach prides himself on being honorable and honest and loyal and all that BS but coach gave us false hope in the preseason and much like you Jeremy I fell for it because he said things in interviews like we're out here to wage war on our competitors. I used to box a long time ago, and I would never go in there and not throw a punch.

The last three survivors, I've walked in with my hands behind my back, saying, I can't throw any punches because I won't admit to lying to you. Or I'm going to lie and then lie about it later. I think owning up to that understanding that I will have to manipulate and lie to a few people along the way, keeping the core of honor and integrity, working with strategic players that I haven't really wanted to work with in the past. And that lasted, what, a few days?

And then he just couldn't take it anymore. I think his de-evolution back to his usual self started when he heard that Ozzy was bad-mouthing him for going against a supposed deal in the supplies challenge. He just could not handle being seen as anything less than honorable. Now, of course, he still lied, such as when he told Dee that Emily was coming for her. he just wouldn't own up to it and revert it again to honesty and integrity mode when he was called out. He simply could not bring himself to actually play Survivor by scheming and plot. Well, but it's interesting because I feel like it was almost like a ruse because he was

attempting to scheme and plot in not a great way when he was like you mentioned. Point blank, well then if you didn't do it, who did, he doesn't say anything. He's completely silent and quiet because it doesn't know what to do. So it's this strange concept, I think, with coach, where it's like, I want to do those things, but I'm going to focus more on the fact that I believe I'm a loyal person to the people I'm playing the game with. So that's really what my focus is going to be. If I tell you, I'm with you, then I'm with you 100%.

And so he seemed to be, sorry, my dogs are barking, but he seemed to be more focused on that aspect of it until he would lean into more of the like, but I'm so loyal, but I did have to lie. I had to lie, but that's not as important as the loyalty that I showed to the people I'm playing with. So it was almost like this, he wanted to put more emphasis on the loyalty, but then it still was this whole concept as a whole that was being represented by coach and the other people that were playing with him.

Yeah. Yeah, I think that he did the thing you're supposed to do in Rule 1, which is to follow the Boston Robb rule, build an alliance and eventually turn on them before you do that before they turn on you. And he was sort of, who knows if he would have gotten there. Remember who had the rule first? That's no Boston Rob rule. Is that your rule?

Yeah. Okay. The Richard Hatch rule. He was building a very solid group. And I think that this group might have had a chance to go far. A lot of times these big alliances, they can't really hold it together because they start to see it ahead and the people on the bottom of the alliance start to realize the hierarchy and then whatever peggonging they've done is over.

But actually, I think in this season was actually possible that coach could have gotten this big alliance, at least through the next phase of the game, through a classic pegonging. I think so in that way, I think he actually, I hate to give him any credit because he was so obnoxious in the past couple of episodes, but I do think he actually was doing this part well,

and it might have been because the people in his alliance bought into that nonsense or others of them were like, well, we'll just go along with this for as long as it suits us and then we'll abandon it. Yeah, and that's it. I mean, we always say, sure, you want to be in an alliance with a bunch of people who are honest and loyal. So that way, you can get them before they get you.

Look at Kyle. Perfect example. You know, he used that to absolute perfection. But, you know, he didn't have a majority, which makes it kind of difficult. He thought he did, but he didn't. And then it gets back to the thing you were talking about, Jessica, which is, you know, this conflict that he wanted to do, but he didn't, and he emphasized. And, you know, some people will say, well, it was just a show he was putting on for others,

the loyalty, the whatever. Remember last week when he pouted in the hammock, and he's like, that's not how I play Survivor. And then he added us. Nobody's going to win this game unless they have honor. And then he ranted to others. If anybody out here wants to run around and tell lies and play that kind of way in Survivor 50, they ain't winning the game.

That's a fact. And then he added to us, I guess the old coach is back. And as I said at the time, yes, he is the one who doesn't know how to play Survivor. And he wants to scold people

that do know how to play Survivor. And to your point, Jessica, of when he did play, he didn't, he played poorly. He kept messing up. And he acknowledged in interviews that the reason he lied about Emily

coming for Dee was he forgot Colby didn't have a vote. You know, we saw him tell Devons not to say anything to Christian about last week's split vote, even though he should have known the two were thick as thieves. And then he later, and this is the part where I say, hmm, coaches interviews are a mix of fact and fiction. He claimed to know that in one of his interviews, which clearly not true. He also told Dalton Russ that Rizzo and Christian, quote, were in my alliance,

I thought at the time, but they were outside. of my alliance. And I'm like, what? You thought Christian was in your alliance? Why were you so mad that Christian was told about the vote split? Why did you keep calling him a middle person? None of it makes sense as usual for coach. But it seems like his concept of who stood where in the game was completely muddled. And then he made other mistakes. We'll discuss in Rule 2 for similar reasons. That was a good synopsis of coach. Yeah. Yeah. Now, another perfect example of his inability to think strategically. Well, actually, Jessica, you already brought this up.

When Chrissy convinced him to lie to Tiffany and claim he didn't control the devote, he didn't have a prepared answer for the most obvious question that she would ask, which is, okay, if it wasn't you, who? And he told Mike Bloom, I wanted to lie to Tiffany, and I was just like, extended pause.

Who could I say? I was stumped in that moment. I didn't want to just throw out a name. But you needed to. That is scheming and plotting. If you're going to say, I didn't do it, who did? Right. And I'm curious if coach wouldn't try to use this as like an excuse.

Like, see, I'm unable to lie because I'm so honest and I have such integrity and I'm so loyal that I can't even lie when I need to. Like it just doesn't come naturally to me. Like maybe that's part of his schick, if you will, about this. You know, I see, it doesn't even come that. I can't just lie to people. I have to, I have to think about it and I'm not good at it because that's not what I do. Possible.

I mean, he could have tried to use his loyalty in, in this conversation. He could have said, well, it's person, someone who I promised I would not say. Even that would have been a better answer than no answer. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Another example, when he invited Rizzo to join the four horsemen and then blew it by saying he was a replacement.

You know, again, all these things, he just didn't understand how to scheme and plot. Like you said, Jessica. And as if to show that his misreading didn't end in the game, coach even told Dalton Ross, I don't think really that anybody was gunning for me. Even Ozzy. Hello? Ozzie was definitely gunning for him. He told Tiffany,

I want to serve his head up on a platter to you. Plenty of people were gunning for him. So again, his interviews, mix of fact and fiction. Yeah. I love Risgaud, by the way. I know that R-I-Z-G-O-D, the men, the myth, the legend.

The thing with this kid is that, like, it's so easy at the age of 26 or whatever he is to be taken in by these legends that you've been watching on your TV screen forever. He literally, in that moment, was told that he was going to be in the Four Horseman Alliance. And as you said, and he was just like, he knew he's mature enough to go, okay, yes, yes, yes. And then the second he gets to confessional is like, no. So I think that this kid, this kid is like really, it's funny because he reads as 18. He's like definitely reads as the Mickey Mouse impersonation that

he did. But when you actually listen to some of the ideas that he has and the way he thinks about the strategic part of this game. I'm impressed. Yeah. Well, yeah, just look what he said to coach about we slay dragons at tribal. We don't slay dragons at camp. And that is a stunning comment for him to be able to make to someone who he does see as a legend and who's changed his life, right? But to have the wherewithal to be in that moment, like, you need to not do what you're doing,

but I'm going to put it into coach speak. I'm going to do it in a way that you will understand the language. And it will also kind of. of an homage to coach in that moment, right? Like, we understand the Dragon's Lane. Like, we give you credit for that, but you just have to do it at the right moment. So, yeah, I think, I think Rizzo has done a fantastic job in aligning himself with the people that he needs to and having all of the information from basically everyone and managing it

in a way that is getting him further in the game. So I think that that is, yes, I think it's really quite impressive what he's been able to do with those legends that he's been. because I couldn't imagine sitting on a hammock with Surrey and just being like, hey, what's up? We're married now. Like, what? Yeah, that would be crazy.

That would be crazy. Now, another problem with this rule, which actually applies to both coach and Chrissy, was they trusted the other woman in their alliance without actually checking on anything. Coach told Dalton Ross, his downfall was trusting her, quote, who's been duped by Surrey on five separate shows, and yet she's still like,

Surrey is true. We can trust her and all that kind of stuff. Well, okay, you could say that now, but if you knew that, maybe you should have thought of that while you were actually still in the game? Like, should we be trusting her read of Surrey when we know her read of Surrey has been bad in the past? And Chrissy did the same thing. She told Mike Bloom that that woman swore to us up and down that she had Ozzie and Surrey. And the flaw in my gameplay was I believe that and went with that. I did have conversations with Ozzy and Ceree, but certainly not enough.

So the flaw was trusting that someone else had something that they didn't. That is a pretty huge mistake for both of them to make. They have both played enough times they should not be doing that. I know we have talked about this topic at some point before that you can't just trust your ally to talk to someone else on your behalf for multiple reasons. For one, and this is usually the reason we talk about it, for all you, you know the person assuring you that everything is swell could be working with others against you. And I know that's what we've talked about before when someone says, okay, I'm going to go over to them

and talk to them and pretend to have an alliance with them. But my alliance is really with you. You're okay. But you don't know what their real intent is there. And in this case, it wasn't even on purpose. It was, it's almost as bad that they were just completely bamboozled by Surinazi. and neither coach nor Chrissy really did anything to ensure that it was as solid as they believed. I do think that this is a little bit tricky though, or it can be a little bit tricky,

because if you are trying to keep things under the radar or let people not know, like, where you necessarily are as far as an alliance is concerned, having to rely upon somebody else to build a relationship with another person for purposes of your alliance is very good. It's a good thing to know that you've got some feelers over there. I've got some feelers over here. But there does need to be that moment where you all kind of go, we're good. We're good.

There's a little check-in. But you can let other people have those conversations as long as you are able to confirm those conversations in some fashion. Because I do think that it can be problematic if everyone is talking to each other at the same time. You might not be getting all of the information you want, that the smaller groups might be better. The one-on-one might be the best. but you have to know who you're getting that information from and how much do you feel like, I should probably check in on this too and just make sure that I'm not being bamboozle and that

I am actually able to rely upon this. Yeah. Well, as we switch over now to Chrissy, I was glad she got a chance to come back and play again. It had been overdue. I'm not happy that she chose to align with that group of people, the Zoom Alliance slash honesty and loyalty crowd. the fact that she was so closely aligned to coach led to them choosing to be a duo here and indeed throughout the game. It seemed like she just felt, I don't even want to say, seemed like she said she felt more comfortable with people in her own age group, not among the new era players.

But the thing is, that turns out to be a pretty small group. You have to be willing to play this game outside your comfort zone, not just target anyone who's outside your comfort zone. Like Tiffany had said previously that Chrissy hadn't even tried to work with her. And we'll have more to say about some of this in the second rule, but you can't just only want to play with the people who, you know, you feel good with. Yeah.

I'm curious if this is another one of those trauma issues that we've been discussing with this particular season. I mean, I think it is because she said, you know, one reason that I didn't have a good social game was because they were all these young kids and I wanted to show that I do have it. Okay. And I understand that. But you still got to play with more than five other people.

Oh, and I'm not saying that she, yes, 100%. She needed to. But I do think that when you are a returning player, which I'm not, so I'm not claiming that I understand this at all. However, when you play the game. Yes. Yeah, I think I don't think there will be a yet. However, I do think that there are a lot of things that happen to you upon playing this game. And you do a lot of self-reflection and you have a chance to think about how you did certain things and how you approached certain people.

And you have a lot of conversations after the fact and should have, what it could have can kind of run the gamut. Now, she has been very vocal about her season that she almost won. that she, the social aspect of her game wasn't great because she didn't get along with the people because there was a lot of young individuals. And so I think then being re-inserted into a situation where not only are there a lot of young individuals, but oh my gosh, there's somebody who's like my same age who has a spouse and children and like someone I feel like I can really jive with, it had to have been comforting for her in a certain way.

and then to see other people that kind of fit into that space for her, I think was she did say this was healing. Like there was some healing here. And so I do think that there's a lot of that prior gameplay that can negatively affect your later gameplay. We didn't, you know, coach is his coach. She just kind of has the same thing when he plays. So I don't know if it's so much trauma for him is just, that's coach. No, I don't think so. That's just coach.

So I'm wondering if that had something to do with it for Chrissy as well, that it just, she found the comfort that she, she never got the first time she played. Yeah. I think it's also healing for a person to actually get voted out of Survivor in a way that it's on the up and up because she is walking, like you said, the trauma, she's walking around not just having been victim to the fire twist, but it was not even something that she was prepared for and it had never happened before. And so in her mind, like she played well and then it wasn't rewarded.

And so at least this time she can go, hey, you know what, I did my best and it didn't work out. And I could fault her for in this rule on skimming and plotting in terms of alliance building and relationship building that it wasn't adequate that she was sort of playing a little bit of an old school game. And in today's day and age, you've got to be a little bit that might work to some extent. But it probably won't in season 50 in a returning season especially, but especially with all these gamers in any sort of new era season. So that I think that she was, you know, if you ask her like, why do you think you are winning right now or why do you think you're going to win? like what would it be oh i just happen to be like the most likable person in this dominant alliance like okay that's very like early 2000s kind of survivor play that's not going to win today and so i think that this trauma of of not having actually been voted out it actually probably is healing for her to know

that actually you know what i played the game and i it didn't work out i think that you know to the extent that like we saw her edit again i totally agree that she was under edited so we don't know about all the relationships but we i think we would know if she had a broader and more deep alliance network. Right. Part of this is the edit, but part of this is also just, again, the nature of the game

where she didn't go to travel council for like the first half of the game. Yeah. And actually, but when she did, you know, she actually did some pretty good things. I think that in the Blood Moon episode, she does, she is sort of the driving person

towards getting Camilla out. And it speaks to this overall, again, a little bit one dimensional approach to the game, but she was really trying to sling. solidify the alliance. And if she was choosing between people, it was basically like Camillo or Tiffany. And I think that she saves Tiffany. And it makes sense because they were on the original tribe together. They're on the swap tribe together. Like they were sort of, you know, there might have been a relationship there that we didn't see. And so as far as Chrissy is concerned, I don't know, the loyalty.

Not according to Tiffany. It was actually, Tiffany said not some. Oh, yeah. Right. So, but anyway. Right. Well, Tiffany got burned at some point. Like Tiffany is just like rogue, not rogue, but she's effectively, you know, okay, I'm done with you people because she said that Chrissy hadn't even tried to work with her ever. Okay. And yeah, like you said, we didn't see, well, both of you said, we didn't see much of what she was doing. I do think she was playing.

She pointed out in her interviews, at least Surrey gave her credit and talked about her playing the game while talking, while discussing why she should be targeted. And yes, certainly more strategic than coach. She was more the brains of the operation, perhaps along with Jonathan. It's a little iffy. She was giving Jonathan some credit, but we don't know if that was just her being nice or what. But again, even though she was the brains of the operation, she still had this little core.

And they were duped by Surrey and Ozzy. And so because of that, much like coach, she did not realize what a bad spot they were in. Yeah. She told Mike Bloom, we felt pretty certain the vote was going to be Rick and Aubrey. So the only thing I thought is, does it actually matter if Coach or I win the Community Challenge? That's kind of where our heads were at all the way until the live Tribal Council started. And even now, she told Dalton Ross, she believes without Rick getting the fake idol, she and Coach would have been fine.

She says, I think everyone was mostly pushing for Rick and Aubrey. And it's like, Chrissy, did you watch the episode? because, no, they had all turned. They had all turned on you by that point. So I don't know how she can say that other than she just, that's what she believed and therefore she wanted to continue to believe. And it is just the next morning after seeing it. So she hasn't really had a whole lot of time to digest her own experience

versus what she saw on TV. So I will grant that. But it's pretty clear that those two were getting voted out no matter what. well some people did change their vote but you did the math right and it wouldn't even have mattered correct right okay um it just made it even worse it made it even more lopsided so all right well we can move on to the second rule i think uh which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret and as much as the first rule was not coach's forte neither was this one again he said good things in the pregame like telling

Dalton Russ. My mantra for this game is to hide behind the shield while I'm sharpening my sword in silence. Like, coach can't do anything. He can't do anything in silence. And keeping your scheming secret kind of demands that. In fact, he was often the opposite of silence. Everyone knew where Chrissy and coach stood. As Devin pointed out in tribal council at near the end afterwards. He's like, look, they're all right over there. Chrissy told Mike Bloom, coach was my best friend. He would stand up in camp every day and say, Chrissy is my number one. Chrissy is my number one. Chrisie is my number one. And she added, I said, coach, stop saying that. You can't say that. So yeah. So then he started saying it about

other people to try to like throw everyone off. Right. Oh, brilliant strategizing there, coach. That'll do it. It's so great. No, I, What I think is very interesting about coach is that he's one of those players that, and maybe you could pull this up once, maybe even twice. If you want to really throw off individuals you're playing this game with, you play the game like coach, but then you actually have like a Kaiser-Sose moment where at the end of the game, you're like, aha, I know everything that's going on.

And I was completely, you know, fooling you all. And that's not actually what I was doing. or that's not actually how I'm like. And it would be really fascinating if that's what it was. But that's not what it is. It's literally like coach is just being coach, which when you play this game, you have to be yourself for sure.

You have to know who you are and understand who you are and you have to understand how people will perceive you. But when you lean into certain things like coach does that don't benefit you in the game at all other than just make people worry about you and are curious like where your head is at in which you're actually like attempting to do with this thing and also being put in time out for five hours on a hammock, clearly something's not working. And but he still stands by it.

He's in his in his exit press like this, this is who I am. And if they want me to play again, you know, he's very proud of the game that he plays, even though I think the position really was. Well, I mean, we can take care of coach later. Like, coach doesn't matter. he's just frustrating everybody at the moment. He wasn't working and he still doesn't see it. Yeah. Coach sucks at lying.

He claims he doesn't lie. He claims he doesn't lie, which is untrue. And then he sucks. Or it's just he doesn't recognize it. But then he lies about not lying and then he sucks at lying. For scheming and plotting too much, it's like, It's tricky for him because I think I'll mention this later, like when he goes and tries to make nice with Tiffany, he just isn't good at it. And so if you know that you're not good with your

non-dominate hand, then don't go left. You know what I mean? If you're writing. And so I feel like if you know you're not good at this part, then don't go to Tiffany and try to make nice. But he can't resist. And so he schemes and plots too much by going to try to have a strategic talk with a very strategic thinker, by the way, and runs into the, you can't even answer the basic question. So I thought that was pretty interesting. Another thing is like in this sort of rule two piece. I actually think that the fight for supplies falls into this, this, this great moment where he claims he's not agreeing. This is a kind of scheming and plotting actually. It's like, actually, is this good? Like coach is like, I didn't agree to it. I'll do it. But I put it here

in number two because these guys didn't know that what he was up to. And so it kind of backfires. We clearly have backfired. Ozzy Q. Like obviously Ozzy definitely. held a grudge. We don't know if Q would have canceled Christmas over this or not. I suspect he would have, because that's what Q loves to do, is to cancel Christmas. But I do suspect that this would not have worked. So I think

that Coach's little ruse in not, and sort of not pinky swear, my fingers are crossed behind my back, I didn't say anything in the fire for supplies, was an example of coach trying to say, oh, I'm actually playing kind of a sneakier game than usual. I'm coach 4.0, but it was actually

it backfired because he got, he got found out the second he went for the key because it was going to be found out the second he went for the key. In the moment, I gave him credit for it. In retrospect, in seeing how it happened, I have to kind of take that back. Yes, he did what he needed to win that.

And he did not make the promise as far as we saw. Right. But there's not agreeing and there's making it clear you're not agreeing. And in a game on the first day of a, a 26 day game to just be that sneaky and think people will let you get away with it.

No, he needed to say, no, sorry, let's just fight this out like gentlemen. You know, that's all he needed to say. He didn't need to try to be sneaky about it, which, okay, yeah, you didn't technically promise, but are other people, are other people going to be like, well, we won't vote him out because that was a technicality?

No, no. They're not going to do that. Mm-hmm. This episode is brought to you by Tellus Online Security. Oh, tax season is the worst. You mean hack season? Sorry, what? Yeah, cybercriminals love tax forms.

But I've got Tellus Online Security. It helps protect against identity theft and financial fraud so I can stress less during tax season, or any season. Plan started just $12 a month. Learn more at tellus.com slash online security. No one can prevent all cybercrime or identity theft. Conditions apply. What that leads into is he just kept getting caught being a liar and a hypocrite.

And I mentioned last week that Emily knew he lied to D about her. So for him to claim honesty while voting out D was supremely irritating, I'm sure. And we already discussed the situation with him. lying poorly to Tiffany. But coach really went overboard last week with the devote, as he admitted in confessional. He said, I'm telling people how to vote, doing something that I said I wasn't going to do. He was giving orders to people. Even if they didn't want to vote the way he wanted.

And again, we saw it so bad that Rizzo had to explain it to him while telling us it's so assinine and frustrating to play with. Yeah. Well, and again, but he's still in his exit press is mad at the people who were going into the devote because he's like, well, they don't understand how to split a vote and nobody wants to listen to me. They want to do 12. And it's like, I don't think that's what it was. I think it was people not wanting to have the backlash from Tiffany if they wrote Tiffany's name down and then coming back to camp and having to then talk to Tiffany and be like, oh, well, I'm so sorry. And we saw Ozzie have that conversation, which he did a much better job than we saw coach when he had that conversation with Tiffany.

And so it really just kind of spiraled. And I don't think he was listening at all to what people were saying about how they wanted to split the vote. I don't think anyone was going, it's just 12. We're just voting 12 on her. I don't think anyone was saying that. I don't think anyone was like just blanket like, nope, that's it. We're just going to vote 12 on D. And that's all there's going to be to it.

So, but again, he's like locked in. And he's like, no, that I was, I tried and no one wanted to listen. And he thought it was assonine that no one was listening to how he was trying to tell them all to about. I have to agree with him that doing it without a split is assonite. Oh, 100%. But I don't think that's what was happening. That's what I'm saying.

I think that people were willing to split. But it was, it was a matter of, I don't want to be the one putting the name down of the person who's coming back to the camp. I mean, then you're not willing to split. If you're willing to split as long as someone else does it, then you're really not willing to split. Well. And that's the thing. Who cares?

You, you, you, you, you randomly pick some people to split and you just agree not to tell Tiffany. Now, will she find out eventually? Maybe, maybe not. But also, and this is a thing that gets me, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter who puts what name down. Everybody in the group had one goal to get D out with Tiffany as a backup. It doesn't matter who voted how. And actually Joe proved this by quickly being able to bury the hatchet.

It is very infrequently that I point out anything that Joe did that is good on the show Survivor. But he actually did a nice job of just saying, you know what, I better just tell the truth here and see if I can use that and explain the moment to build something new. Yeah. And Ozzy did too, like you mentioned. So yeah. Yeah. Coach just he was pissed about that.

And it is kind of funny that it's such an obvious strategic issue that coach could see it. But there had to be other ways to handle it other than going into dictator mode. Yeah. And he even said, in hindsight, maybe I should have acted differently. Uh, yeah. Uh, you know, to, to quote someone who was on Survivor. Yeah, think. Mm.

Mm. Mm. Mm. Now, now, if nothing else, he could have voted for Tiffany. Right. So that there was at least one vote not for D. But no, he wasn't out there volunteering to do it either. Well, and that's fair.

But then he did. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, but he could have just, he didn't have to boss people around and tell them. Well, right. And I'm not, I'm not trying to say that he. Yeah. The representation of it was all bad because he was really,

he was being a bit of a dictator about how it was going to go down, as opposed to just like, hey, let's talk through this and how do we want, how do we want to split this? It's always nice when you can kind of pose the question and let other people say, oh, well, how about this? Oh, that's great. And everyone kind of makes their observations and their suggestions and then you have a consensus. That's much better than telling people what to do and how to do it. Yeah. When you said he was being a bit of a dictator, I didn't think you were going to say the tator at the end there. It's almost like Surrey is right about this kind of thing and that you, and that you should

actually lead people to the right answer, but not shove them over the cliff. Yes. He clearly has some problems with Surrey, clearly. And his exit press, he made a little comment about maybe if I had just gotten off a couch and just seems to be making a lot of comments about Surrey. It has to kill him that she is so beloved and called one of the best to never, or maybe the best to never win, one of the best to ever play. and nobody says that about it.

Literally nobody. Maybe people in the insane asylum. But other than that, like... And for anyone who doesn't get Surrey, I would just agree with the great tag with and just say she's exactly who we think she is. She shows us in so many ways how alert she is to the various moving parts of the game,

the various moving parts of the psyche, how to get information, how to control it. I mean, I would have a lot of difficulty naming a person who I think has a better read. She should be a psychologist if she's not a nurse already because I know she does that or she should be a poker player. I mean, Surrey looks into people's souls

in the situation and she is able to put it into this into action in this elegant way that makes her kind of like the one inch punch. You know, like it's not she's not actually decking people or all this. She just does these little motions that are so powerful and that's why we love to watch

her and also she's just a beautiful human being to watch, like interact with people. So it's fun. I know this is not a serious stand podcast, but I just wanted to throw that in. It's, it's understood. It's understood that it is a seri stand podcast. All podcasts should be. They should be, yes.

Yeah. All right, moving to Chrissy, while coach was the one out there trumpeting to everyone how close they were in the game, we have to give her some blame to because she was right there with him. Yes, she eventually got him to stop. But it was still extremely obvious to everyone and had been for a while. I mean, if he's already been doing it for days before she gets him to stop, it's too late. And even in their original tribe, her position was clear.

Camilla told Mike Bloom, Chrissy immediately wanted to get out D and Tiff. So there you go with, there you go with the answer to Tiff again. She was saying, the girls are always off together. Those two are always off together. I'm like, this is Camilla still talking, I'm like, I mean, realistically, Mike and Charlie are always. off together coach and Jonathan are always off together. Everyone's off together. The boys are always off together. So I didn't really like that. And obviously, Camilla wasn't there anymore to be involved with this vote. But it's, it's an insight into how Chrissy was showing her cards. And it seemed

again like she was excluding more people than she was including. There were those that Camilla mentioned. And she didn't want, you know, any of the so-called middle people to make it to the end. And she didn't want to work with Rizzo. And, and, and if you're going against that many people, who's left? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of finding that balance where you really do need your core group. You need your ride or die if that's what you really want to call that person. If you're really willing to put that much into the relationship that you're building with that one,

you still have to remember everyone else that's out there and that there are ripple effects. because if you're having conversations with these two people over here and no one over there, well, then no one over there are going to start talking about you. And it will have an effect all around if you are trying to limit the scope of who you're willing to strategize with instead of, again, we'll talk about Surrey, who is willing to sit down and have a conversation with anyone and make that person feel like they're really being listened to. And people have so much appreciation for her advice, they change their minds because of what Cerey says to them in a very kind way, even when she's like,

no, that's not what we're doing. And it's just pleasant. And they're just like, oh, well, thank God she came back because we were going to do something else. And it's just that's because you are having those relationships with people and you're communicating with them about other things in Survivor, right? You're just having a conversation about whatever, but you're doing it with everyone and not just a limited core group of people that you feel. like you've got a connection with.

All right. So this might be controversial. And maybe someone else has said this somewhere. So I don't want to take credit for it. If someone else said this, but Chrissy might have been over scheming and plotting here and violating rule number two by telling coach to cool it. And in fact with this for a second,

because telling him to keep quiet during this scramble kind of could, in a sense, lower coaches threat level, which is the point, right? But generally, when you have someone who is the obvious choice in the year of our Jeff 2026, that is not who they're going to go for

because you kind of get two for one. It's like, let's get this, we'll get coach next time. And so in a way that, telling him to stop reminding everybody what a pain in the ass he can be or how annoying he is or how overbearing in terms of vote wrangling he was being,

this would actually reduce the threat level and they would kind of forget about him. And then they would say, Actually, no, yeah, it's a great time to get coach. And whereas I think there's a world in which coach being himself was like, oh my gosh, this guy's so annoying, but we can't just like fall for it. We have to think beyond this vote. I could see the brainiacs thinking that and saying, but now's our chance to take out

maybe Rizzo if he doesn't play his idol or we could take out Devin's. So I actually wonder if this was sort of too clever or not clever. If this was, it was good strategy for a, while ago, but not in today's game. I see what you're saying. I don't think it would have worked that way for a number of reasons, partially because, well, Rizzo was with Emily. So Christian and Devons probably aren't going to want to do that.

And certainly, Ceri isn't going to want to. You know, Devons, Christian isn't going to want to do that. Emily isn't going to want to do that. And I just think people had already done that for one vote and I know it was probably only one day maybe it was two days in this. I don't know for sure.

But either way, people were already pissed at coach. And if he had just kept going, I mean, I think at this point the die was cast in terms of who was on their mind. They put it off. You know, a lot of viewers, and we said this last week,

a lot of viewers were pissed off. They didn't take out coach last week. And we explained and we're like, well, it's because they didn't need to take out coach last week. So go along with him, get rid of this other person, and then you can always come back to him. But there were these other factors, not to mention it was a two-for-one deal.

I wouldn't get one. You know, some other things we'll be talking about as we move on here. So I understand what you're saying. I just still don't think it would work. And I do think on the whole, it was probably a good idea for Chrissy. But they all know who coach is. They knew who he was 24 hours ago.

They knew who he was 12 hours ago. They knew who he was an hour ago. They're not going to forget. So like, oh, where's coach? He's quiet on the hammock. Oh, he's on the hammock being quiet. Okay, then let's just forget about him. and we'll go with someone else.

It doesn't work that way. I am curious, though, that by doing this as well, Chrissy ended up probably putting more of the focus on her because she was the one then running around and talking to people and trying to make them vote a particular way. And so she's certainly not doing herself any favors because she's like, you need to be quiet and go sit over there. So all she's really doing is calling extra.

attention to herself when it would have been nice for her to allow coach to continue to kind of throw himself under the bus and then maybe try to save herself like listen I realize I'm the other half but that's not me I'm not the one doing that he is but she'd already she'd already shown them that she was doing that so I'm curious if she just ended up doing it that much more because coach wasn't there to also do it so it's like she had to do double duty and then was probably frustrating people because of the double duty that was being done I I I I I suspect she was mostly doing the strategizing anyway. I mean, yes, he took control of that vote and went into dictator mode.

But I think for most of the other things, she was probably more the behind the scenes, worm tongue of it all. Oh, and that's what I'm saying. By having him sit over there, she had to become front and center. So you're not, you're not helping yourself by doing that. Yeah. And, you know, that was part of the problem. She said that because she talked about wanting to get rid of Rizzo, she talked.

told Dalton Ross, that was my demise. That was my bad move of the night. Now, I can't say I'd narrow it down to just that. But yes, telling Surrey was not great for her. She told coach to stay quiet. But the thing she said got them in even more trouble. I still think they would have been the target. It didn't help, obviously. It really, you know, Surrey was already going in that direction. And when she heard that Chrissy was coming for her, you know, second, third, depending on how you count it, husband. You know, then that obviously, you know, the antenna really went straight up on that one.

And so, but you also can't expect her to do nothing. I mean, she did not know that Sheree and Rizzo were so tight. Only Ozzy seems to know that. Right. Yeah. But again, it goes back to not knowing where you stand in the tribe that neither her nor coach understood. They thought they did. Mm-hmm.

But they were getting information, they were getting bad information, both from their own selves and from, you know, at least one other person. And because Chrissy's circle didn't extend to those other people, she couldn't even try to get her read on them. She just had no clue who was really tight with who. Right. All right. Well, we could go to the third rule, which tells players to be flexible, considering what we just discussed about how everyone knew where those two stood.

This seems like a bit of a softball question for you, Jeremy. But how do you think coach did in this rule? Not great, Bob. I think that, look, there is, I'll give him some flowers, as they say, for one thing, which is whether it was a good idea or not, Chrissy telling him to shut his trap and to lay low is so antithetical to who coach is, but he actually did it.

And so that showed me that he was willing to actually take the backseat as he said he was. So I was like, oh, maybe coach, there's more to coach than meets the eye. And then I realized, no, there's less. But that's okay. For this moment, he actually did it. And I was proud of coach. I was proud of him because that show of flexibility. Generally, flexibility is about having options.

And I think coach plays the game with the idea of strength, which is a big alliance. And in the modern game, you have to have a little bit of both. And flexibility to me doesn't necessarily just mean willingness to listen to others. That's a big part of flexibility. And he improved them out a little bit as I just mentioned, but overall not great. But the real way to show flexibility is to have many plans and many contingencies. and to have options throughout the game so that if there is a tribe split, so that if things don't go exactly the way you had intended,

you actually have a strategy. And so I think that he really did not, he kind of, again, comported himself in this very old school kind of way, which is we're going to have the biggest alliance, and we're just going to ride with that, and then we'll deal with it later. I just want to mention that this is part of the honor and integrity, the inaccuracy of that framework.

If you're in the dominant alliance, sure. You can be honest and you can have integrity to the extent that you just don't have to tell people what's going on. And I guess the shot in the dark kind of can change this a little bit more. You have to be a little more scheming than you had to be in the past. But basically, you can kind of, the idea is we're going to pong our way through this. And that's where I think rather than talk about coach, I want to talk about one of the best players of all time, which is Kyle. And Kyle, in my view, embodies this perfectly. and all players should think about this.

He may have be the best player to play from the majority alliance, dominant alliance side in that he did not just have it like, oh, I'm going to survive this. He actually had his number one outside of that. And so when it, if, if and when that alliance got toppled, he'd be in great shape either way. And so whereas coach,

just and Chrissy to the same extent, we're just sort of buying into this sort of, okay, we're going to pogong away all this way through based on pre-merge sort of dominance or Zoom alliances. And that doesn't work in the new game. There are too many good players to sit by and let that happen. Because, right, they're not going to actually let this happen. They're going to see it coming and then try to work around it.

That's why I think Kyle was a genius because he saw that he had kind of two ways. Coach, Chrissy to the same extent, really didn't think about, huh. I'm playing Survivor 50 with a bunch of people who have thought about strategy the entire lives that this game has been on. Maybe just maybe we need to have more than just the numbers for a few votes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously the word flexible is not something we would associate with coach in any way, shape, or form. You know, we already discussed this.

he claimed he was coming in as coach 4.0 and playing a different way, but it just didn't last. He always reverted back to his original form. Yeah, and I do think, Jeremy, what you were indicating is very spot on with this idea that he just wasn't willing to have a backup plan. It was coach's way or the highway kind of thing. And then if people didn't jump on board, he got frustrated and angry. And I just feel like the fact that Chrissy kind of tied herself to the, that person, regardless of whether or not she wanted to be seen in that way, that's the way

she was then seen because he is so out there. And so to say, well, everyone knows where the coach and Chrissy are, it's probably more because everybody knew where coach was, because everybody knew where coach was, then everybody knew where Chrissy was because he's running around going, Chrissy's my number one, which we've already talked about. So there was no secrets with with what coach was doing. And therefore, Chrissy really can't have any secrets either. And so any type of idea that they were going to branch out from just the two of them,

I think they were both in very problematic spaces with how they were approaching the situation. They found themselves in because they thought, well, we have the majority. So that's it. We're done. Finished. We don't have to play Survivor anymore because we have the numbers. Right. Let's take the day off, as they say, right?

And you have to realize that if you are a. essentially attaching yourself to a goat, not a good goat, but a goat that you drag to the end, that you also need to be immediately able to lead or at least actively and credibly participate with the overthrow of the target. And I think that if coach, if this had not been a double the trouble twist and coach had been ousted this episode, I don't think that Chrissy would have been in a position to be like, yeah, and I was ready to turn on coach and to join up with these other people with whom I had relationships. She would have been sort of in the situation where frankly, Tiff thought she was.

Okay, they went for D, now they're going to go for me. And that just speaks to what you just said, which is that the sort of network of relationships didn't seem to be there. Yeah. And I was just going to say, what did you think about this rule for Chrissy? But I think you may have just answered that already. I did. She has a ride or die strategy.

And I just think that that's just not going to work in Survivor 50. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just finished talking about how Chrissy was targeting and excluding more people than she was working with. So I think it's also pretty clear where I stand on this one. When you're playing Survivor, you have to be open to aligning with people who might be a little outside your usual comfort zone. You can't just want to hang out with the people your age or who are married and have kids like you or who are old school type players. pretty much everyone who was on her starting tribe and has been voted out said if that tribe ever lost, she was the one getting voted out first.

You know, she had a couple of allies and just pushed everyone else away. And that's, again, that's the opposite of flexibility. Yep, agreed. All right. Well, the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them. Jessica, what did you think of coach for this rule? No, he's a terrible here too. I hate to, I hate to be on like this, this coach bandwagon of doing bad with Survivor,

considering he's been out there, what, four times now, five, are we at? Is it four? Four. Four. It's very well, you know, he's very well liked by Jeff because he brings what entertainment. And unfortunately, what you and I have said over and over again, this is not about entertainment. This is about winning a million dollars.

And coach certainly let his emotions show very bright and very bold and very loud when we were talking about the D vote and how people weren't going to split the vote the way that he wanted and he got frustrated and angry. And also he would just everything that coach did was was open for everyone to see all of the time. There was no secrets. And when he did try to lie, he was very bad at it. So it's just it's just a combination of his inability to control. his emotions properly, but also he had no idea how to, I want to use the word manipulate. I know it sounds terrible, but like the emotions of other people. He wasn't good at that either. He has an opportunity to sit down and have a conversation with Tiffany and completely blows it because

he has no idea how to make her feel better in that moment because he's not prepared to do so the way that he needs to when playing Survivor. And so it's just this inability to understand the effects of his actions on other people and how they're going to feel. He's blissfully unaware of that. And I think we really saw that at the beginning of this episode when he and Jonathan were talking. And Jonathan was on the hammock. And coach was like so impressed with himself and look what I did and how we pulled that off. And that was all me. And Jonathan was like, yeah, you were awesome. Yeah, that was great. Like he did really good, appeasing coach in that moment. And then being like, what is wrong with this guy can you know like when he was doing his confessional like what is he doing you know

like why is he acting like this because again he's not understanding the emotions of other people and that's an emotional time you've come back from tribal council you've just voted someone out and you're got like gloating so yeah i mean overall he just he had no idea of how to present himself in a way that was not going to affect someone emotionally he just did it all the time yeah i i do want to come back to the word and i know you hesitate to use it word manipulate. He did know how to manipulate people. He manipulated a whole bunch of people in a previous season using religion and guilt and all that sort of thing. It's like you were describing and I think you were searching for a better word for it, which was how to maybe be empathetic with

someone. Maybe that's the word, the better one. And I do think it's interesting that you bring that up because now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, I think he also manipulates people by giving them nicknames. I know that he presents it in this way that like, oh, you're, you know, you're, you're the tide walker and this is why you're the tidewalker, but it's really more about a control where like, I'm going to, you're going to be invited into my club and I'm going to give you a name and you will have a title and I will bestow a title upon you. And it's supposed to make people feel like some type of reverence towards him and like loyalty towards him. And I do think that I, that there is probably an aspect of manipulation there too.

Because that's how you're controlling people's headspace and where they feel they are with you. Like, oh, well, do you have a nickname? You don't. I do. You know, kind of like cool girls at the table kind of thing. And I know he made a comment in one of his interviews kind of, like you said, kind of this snide reference to Surrey where he talked about her manipulating. And I've seen some people pushing back on it like, dude, what about when you did that a whole season and lost? You know, it's Survivor.

You need to manipulate. But there's ways to manipulate too. Now, you know, if he had won that one season, we would be like, ooh, that was ugly, but he won. You know, now we just say, ooh, that was ugly. Because he couldn't win by doing it that way, because, you know, the things that we have always said. Now, as far as, you know, his emotions controlling him,

we talked last week about how it seemed like a switch flipped in his brain when Jonathan told him D didn't trust him. And from his perspective, he said in an interview that the reason he lost his marbles was because of nobody wanting to split the vote. We talked about that. Whichever reason it was, or probably like a combination of both, you know, it's like when these things pile on you, you're more likely to explode. The point is his emotions ran rampant. and we talked about how he knew he shouldn't have taken control of that vote. And yet there he was. It wasn't just because of strategy.

It wasn't just because he was like, well, we need to vote this way, so I will take control. It was because he was mad that the other players were not listening to him and doing what he wanted. And his emotions just took over. I think that I'm going to mention something that happened this, thing where he goes to Tiffany. I mentioned it before, but I think it's very salient. And the reason I think this, this action fits into rule number four is that essentially he's going to Tiffany because of ego, because he cannot, he doesn't like to be the bad guy. He wants to be in that one's good graces. And so managing ego is a big part of what this rule is about. So he go, and he, listen,

he goes into that conversation with no plan, none. If he had a plan, I'd say, great, good job, rule number one, check. If he had a bad plan, I could have been like, okay, you violated rule number two, but at least you tried. But no plan. This to me is flagrant proof that he's just letting his ego and his emotions drive him into a conversation like that. Yeah, and it's the same thing with when he heard about Ozzy badmouthing him

after the supply challenge. He told Dalton Ross, I made a decision to call him out earlier. He was really bent out of shape about me beating him. No, I don't think Ozzy was the one who was really bent out of shape. And I also don't think coach just made a decision to call him out. It was an emotional reaction. Again, we saw it on his face. He could not bear the suggestion that he could possibly ever be anything other than honorable.

Agreed. Yeah. All right. Well, Jessica, how do you think Chrissy did in this rule? Well, I'm going to apologize first if there's any barking. I do it. Here it comes again. But as far as Chrissy is concerned,

Chrissy is an interested in mixing because I do think that she didn't, it's hard because I think that she, I'm going to go back to the trauma. I hate to even go back to the trauma, but there was something about her experience from her previous game that I think negatively affected her ability to play this game the way that she necessarily wanted to because she felt an emotional connection to people more so than she did the last time she played. And so she let that get in the way of the actual game of Survivor.

She let it cloud what she needed to do. And as you indicated, David, like she cut herself off from talking to other people because she had kind of decided, no, I don't jive with them. I don't connect with them. And they probably remind me of the people I played the game with before that didn't welcome me into their circle. And so I will not welcome them into my circle. time, I will only welcome these people into my circle that I feel comfortable with.

And so I think that's really where her emotions ended up controlling her game as opposed to it being like an outward thing that people were necessarily seeing. But they were definitely feeling it because she wasn't trying to connect with them at all. Yeah. Yeah, I certainly think she was better at controlling her emotions that coach was. And obviously we saw that she even counseled him to control himself. but same thing as you. The flexibility issues we discussed

came from that place of emotions wanting to play with people she liked. And yeah, not to repeat myself, but you can't push that many people away just because maybe they aren't your best buddies. This is an out-of-game kind of part of this rule, but I feel that people like Chrissy and also Ethan in season 40,

who have overcome an incredible health challenge actually have a little bit of something going against them in a couple of different ways. For one is, if they get far on the game, someone's going to invoke, they've got a great story, which is, it's kind of weird to me. I'm like,

I don't even know why that's true, but I guess they're saying, like, because they have overcome something important that they deserve to win the game, I'm not exactly sure of the connection, but I understand where it comes from. But I also think that something that others have said as well, and I'll just sort of reiterate it,

is that when you do overcome something as life-changing as cancer, you also are going back into this game and your family is watching you. And I think that there's some degree of like, I need to play a certain kind of way. I think there's a tacit implication that you're a good guy or a good woman, you're a good person, you know, one of the good guys, for lack of better term. And so it kind of locks you into this way of thinking, like I'm going to play in this sort of honor and integrity kind of way.

And I think that that's just not the case, right? You can come in having gone through an incredible life challenge and and overcoming that with grace and strength and all of the wonderful things that truly go into those kinds of things. And still, you have perfect license to lie and cheat your way to the end of Survivor and win. But I kind of think that because it's on TV and their kids are watching, that this violates the rule of don't play emotionally because you're kind of saying, well, I have to play a certain kind of way because of my art.

And I think that I'm sure that people like Chrissy, just like Ethan, have strategic bones in their body that would make them be able to play in this way. And they all even at various times said that, that they would like to play kind of a more modern game. But I do think that we should not look past the fact that when the cameras stop and errors on their screens, they probably are thinking, how's this going to look when I'm back at home? There's the other extreme, by the way, of like Russell Hans,

where you care so little about what people think that you actually play terribly as well. So it's all spectrum. Yeah. All right. Well, the fifth rule reminds players that they need to pretend to be nice

and play the social game, which is linked to what you were just saying. And, you know, once again, I would say we have some issues for both of them within the game. Jeremy, what did you think of coach here?

All right. So coach is, it's funny. Everyone loves coach before the game. All the Mike Bloom interviews are so excited. And he likes to bond with people. And, He likes to be nice.

He even slips notes to some people. Exactly. Apparently slips notes pregame. Do you believe that? I can believe that. He like admitted to doing that. I was like, what are they going to do now?

Well, are they not going to cast them again? I mean, like they actually, I mean, of course, the rules don't apply to coach because someone else in 49, two people got kicked out for for pre-Ponderosa stuff. But I don't think the coach, you know, get away with it. But I actually wanted. to point out something that already came up earlier, which is our nicknames are part of this rule, right? The rule is, I'm looking at my poster here, pretend to be nice and to play the social game. It's right next to my medical license.

It's just the rules. And I think the nicknames are kind of a part of this. Look, Philip did this kind of brilliantly. I even think that, you know, nicknaming alliances very smart. It gives legs. It gives people that, or it gives the idea that an alliance could have legs. and people in the game are also very meta, kind of what I was saying before in Rule 4,

they're actually thinking about the edit. So it's like, ooh, I'd like to be part of the four horsemen alliance. That'll be fun, right? Whereas if you don't name it. So I kind of think these nicknames are kind of part of that, right? So Colby or someone like Joe kind of like nod in their heads like,

yeah, I'm the bark and crusted Jedi Knight or whatever, whatever is it may be. Whatever. It was so bad, by the way. Like that they would say, oh,

this is like part of my narrative. I think one of the weaknesses of the player who plays the game today is that they are so invested in it that they kind of forget that there are actually other heroes of the story. They're not the only person. And they're like, oh, it's meant to be. It's this is fate. This is manifesting. And so I think that they sometimes forget about that stuff. And I think that coach is doing well in this rule by giving people this sort of sense of common purpose or the sense of edit that they might actually buy into.

That being said, I'm sad to see that we entered. a three name, nickname Faze. Dragon's Slayer was a 10 out of 10. I thought Tidewalker was great. But when we got to this oakbound warrior and stonebell monk, I didn't even know what those are. And so I was like, if you

need a hyphen for your nickname, I think you're done. Don't ever hyphenate your name, period. And I definitely wouldn't want to hyphenate a nickname for sure. That's just like people don't understand hyphens. It's terrible. I wish you would have given Riz God a nickname and

Riz God, Rizzo would have been like, that's really great, coach, but my nickname is Riz God. Yeah. I have one. Thank you. Yes. Yes. And I gave it to myself. And if anyone could recognize the validity of that, sir, it would be you, coach.

Right. Yeah. I mean, okay, I will, I will grant that. And we know that that was a strategy. Chrissy talked about it in her interviews. Like, one, someone asked her like, well, how did it feel that you weren't in the four horsemen? And we joked about it last week. We were like, yeah, it's the four horse men.

He doesn't give nicknames to women. And, you know, she kind of defended him on that one. I mean, she didn't know what we said, but she kind of defended him saying, no, I knew he was doing that. I encouraged him to do that because by doing that, it may have helped to hide their relationship. He didn't need to give her a nickname because she knew how close they were. Nicknames are for people who to show how close they are. So from that standpoint, yes, that is good gameplay in terms of the social game. But the rest of it.

I mean, again, Chrissy had to put him in the timeout hammock. I know. I mean, I think that pretty much tells you, and of course, adding in strict rules against singing and haikuing and doing anything else to draw attention to himself. And, you know, of course, like I said earlier, I think it was just, too late. One day away from people is not enough to make people forget, coach. Yeah. And even Jonathan said at the start of the episode, coach wears on people when he returned to his old form. And we definitely saw it last week of various people getting annoyed at the way he was telling

everyone what to do, yelling at how no one was supposed to tell Christian, etc. People are going to remember those things. Yeah. And I really do wonder if part of this, being, I think, bad in this particular rule is this idea of the honesty, loyalty, integrity, world view that he has when it comes to playing Survivor. And when you are introducing a concept into a game like Survivor, and you're telling people that they have to play the game this way, otherwise they're never going to win, is certainly not going to put you in a shining light with people around you.

And he really kind of locked himself. into this idea that he was better than anyone who doesn't play a game that way. So again, socially, you're not winning any points. You're not going to, no one is going to look at you in a final three and go, wow, if only I could be as honest and have as much integrity and be as loyal as you. And then maybe I'd be sitting there. No, no one's going to be saying that because they're all going to be saying you pigeonholed yourself into this idea that you are better than everyone's sitting around you. you're not. And so you're not going to end up winning the game. So I really do think that that's another part of this rule that just showed how blissfully unaware, I think I've said that before he was of

the effects of his idea that somehow he was better than the people around him because he had this idea of what survivor should be. I know I just came out against three name hyphenated nicknames, but David, I have to say, the time out hammock is. seems like it should stick. You know, that should be. Time out is one word. Oh, no, no, I think in this content, but, oh, you're right. Okay.

But yes. But you have to pronounce it that way, like the Stonebell Monk and the Oak Noble, whatever, the timeout hammock. Yes. I'll have to consider that when grandkids eventually start coming along. I'll see if we set up a timeout hammock. Yes. I feel like putting someone in a hammock is not. a punishment. It's like, no, I would be like, please, I'll go in the timeout hammock.

No, but Joe has spent time there. I mean, who among us hasn't? Yes. Yeah, in addition to what you were saying, Jessica, he also claimed in interviews that while he was ranting, and this goes into how people, how he thinks people perceive him versus how they actually do. He was thinking about. like purposely making himself a huge target, like Q or Philip Shepard. But from what I saw in his interviews, he didn't really explain it more than that.

Like sometimes he'll just say something and then move on. And other times he'll like dive so deep. It's like, yeah, we got it after the first sentence. But other times he'll throw something in there and you'll be like, what are you talking about? But I don't know what the point have been. I, I, I, it makes no sense that he would have done that. It's not like Q or Philip won by using that strategy.

Right, right. Because it's a terrible idea. Oh, yes, let's make myself a huge target. Why? Why would you want to do that? That makes no sense. That is a terrible, terrible idea. Well, because he's going to be one of the only people remembered from season 50.

There will be 15 to 18, depending on who he's talking to, people that will not be remembered from the season. but he will be one of the remembered ones. Yes, yes, which is, you know, why you're there, not to win the million dollars. I mean, it's why coach is there. But now, speaking of, you know, again, targeting himself, coach also told Mike Bloom, he came up with a phrase,

26 ain't going to win 50 because he wanted to stick it to the new era players, which I'm sure his allies, Jonathan and Joe, were thrilled about, though he claimed in my alliance, they were like, yeah, that's right. And I'm thinking, well, I'm sure some of them were like Chrissy, but that's about it. And that also doesn't mean it's a good idea. It goes back to what I said earlier about Chrissy causing divides instead of bringing people in. Why do you want to cause more divides? Yeah.

He's so exasperated. Yeah. Yeah. And again, you know, this all, it went all the way back to Coach and Chrissie's starting tribe. I've already mentioned some things related to Chrissy, but D also told Dalton Ross last week. The Honor and Integrity Group, they were on one side of the island, kind of doing their own thing like they owned camp and everybody hated that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So. Yeah. I mean, if you, if you start, I don't know,

if you just start making other people feel uncomfortable, it's certainly not going to help you in the end. Right. Not at all. Yeah. Now, speaking of Chrissy, when it comes to this rule, I see, well, more of the same thing I've already talked about. Chrissy told Mike Bloom, I sort of knew going into the game that I was going to have better luck with older players. Look, I get it. Okay, I do.

I'm older than she is, although she's already living in a retirement village. I'm not there yet. But I understand, because I talk about this a lot, you know, that yes, being an older player with a bunch of younger people, that has to be a difficult game.

And from what we've heard in previous interviews, and even from her own, again, it just seems like she didn't try. She was so happy to hang out with coach and the other people closer and age to her. But again, that's not the way to win Survivor. You can't just say, well, that person's younger, so they won't get me. I know, again, trauma from your first season. Those people did not get you. maybe these people are better. Give them a chance.

Yeah. Yeah. One thing I think Chrissy did quite well here, and I wasn't sure whether this went into Rule 4 or into Rule 5, but I think it's very hard to do all these things, to be nice and to play the social game and all that, when you are away from your family and you're away from life and you're hungry and your machinations are going.

And I thought that she handled the fact that Coach came up to her and told her to stop talking so much and that Mike apparently said the same thing and that she was too chatty and she handled that extremely well in terms of not letting it control her game and also not being mean like pretend to be nice. She kind of was like okay

okay because she could have easily heard that feedback and it might have been unjustified feedback or might have been justified feedback I was not there but either way she could have heard that and she could have absolutely lost it and just kind of like you know the cracken could have been released, right? The way for coach it did.

And so for her, she managed to actually really keep that into a very disciplined of place. And she definitely vented to confessional. She was crying and confessional. I kind of felt, I felt bad. I was like,

oh, man, why are you letting these narcissists get under your skin, Chrissy? Don't let it get to you. But she did it in the right place. She didn't have any public blowups. And I thought that that showed that she was keeping her mind on the game and able to overcome those kinds of,

kind of difficult, I would think that, even coming from somebody like coach, that it would be hard to to just kind of take those hits and not let it affect your game. And I think that she actually succeeded in that. So I want to give her props for that. Yeah, although, you know,

give her props for that. Here comes the although. Here comes the butt. You know, she did say, even, you know, in the interview she did when people asked her like, well, how did you handle that? She was like, well, he didn't tell me until we were on a swap tribe.

And I actually got along with the people on the swap tribe, so it was fine. So she did have that going for her, which was, you know, good and helpful. But yeah, I mean, we know there were people on her starting tribe who were not happy with how she was acting. Mike White, you mentioned Mike White. But he was by no means the only person saying things. Camilla told Dalton Ross that Chrissy was, quote, a little irritating because we're all sitting around camp. And any time more than one person walks off, Chrissy announced it to everyone. And it's like, we don't need this every single time. Like, no one's saying anything when people walk off. We just understand that that's survivor. So, yeah, again, that's not the way to

ingratiate yourself with your tribe mates to become the town crier. Oh, look, there goes those two walking off, you know, oh, where is that person been? Nobody likes that person. I'm so harsh. I will say she did speak, though, how she thought she was connecting with some people because she was taking on more of that, like, mom role. Yeah. And trying to help people with various components, whether it be their hair or their calf muscles or whatever else, were issues for particular individuals who were playing. And I think that that's something that, unfortunately, in the game of Survivor, doesn't always go well when you are labeled the mom, when you're out. playing this game. I think that we've seen it time and time again, that it tends to put you in a different light and people tend to judge you differently with how you're doing things because

you are coming across as a mom. And I think sometimes people have a tendency to think, well, my mom would do that. My mom wouldn't treat someone like that or my mom, you know. And so I do think that there is something to be said about if you lean into the mom role, then people start looking at you as a mom and then unfortunately it can have negative effects on how they then view the game you're playing. Yeah.

Yeah. And, you know, it is a bit of a mom thing to be like reporting, oh, there goes that person. Oh, there goes that person. You know, you kids be home buys curfew. A lot of time that player

kind of gets dragged to the end and then gets like not that many votes. but she unfortunately coach was not going to. I mean, she might have been, if not for this twist, you know, quite honestly. I thought she would get taken out before coach because people would want to drag coach to the end. And she would be, but, you know, as it happened, both got taken out the same time. So. Right. All right. Well, the six rewards against being too much of a threat.

And the way this rule impacted coach and Chrissy has, again, a lot to do with the twist. without it, they were, if they were just voting out one person or even just voting them out individually in some other manner, I'm not sure that everyone would have locked on to Coach and or Chrissy at this point, much like I was just saying. Was Coach a threat for the way he was pushing to vote out the so-called middle people and the new era people and trying to be in control? Absolutely. Was he a threat to win? Not a chance.

but if you're one of those middle of people or the new era people, you're less concerned about him getting to the end game and more concerned about him taking you out before that point. So that's the threat that matters. And this was the main argument used by Emily Christian and eventually with success, Surrey. They noted that if you don't vote out coach and Chrissy at this point with the numbers,

then you have to take out two other players that ensures the honor and integrity group has the majority. Everyone gets steamrolled from here on out. And again, this circles back to something that I think, Jeremy, you already mentioned. This is especially true in a group that is unlikely to fracture in the way you might expect on Survivor because they're all about honesty, loyalty, integrity, honor. But don't talk about the Zoom call, at all. Yes, yes.

It's fine. Or notes. All those things are very honorable. They're all very honorable. That's the honorable way to play. Coach is such an enigma that he actually, this rule flips back on itself. Have you noticed that?

You know what I'm talking about? In the sense that usually people who think of themselves as the puppet master and who are driving votes are just about to get toppled, right? But he is so ridiculous that people, People just sort of pack it into their view as coach being coach. It's almost like he's on that reality show where the one person doesn't know they're on the reality show. Like, I'll just let him do it.

And at the end, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so most people violate this rule by driving votes. But when coach does it, it actually lowers his threat level, ironically, because they're like, don't worry. Let coach drive this and go along with it. And we'll get rid of him when it's convenience.

Or he'll get zero vote to the end. So if he did this and made it to the end, he could flip it back and say, I could argue that he played well and controlled votes. But the jury might have been like, yeah, that's just because we let you, my friend. But he might have at that point been able to say, look, double pump fake.

I knew you guys knew. And yet, here we are. So I actually think it's interesting. He could have. He wouldn't have. He would not. I don't think he would have made that argument. I think they would have said,

they would have said, well, we let you and he would have said, you didn't let me. I did it myself and they would have all rolled their eyes and not voted for him. I convinced you all. Right. Yeah. And I don't think any of them would have admitted that. But, you know, it turned out didn't matter.

Before we get, I know you're going to ask about Chrissy in a second, but before we do that, I have a question about this, this rule of David. And it goes like this. Do you think that Jeff would have outed Savannah? for winning a record number of immunities if that had happened. In other words, because they hadn't seen her season, they didn't know that she was like tied for the most ever.

And so they didn't tell how she placed, right? But when someone else comes up, it's like, D, this is your, what, second I mean? They keep saying like historic, like, Ozzie, you tied. Would they have out, would they have said,

would Jeff have said, Savannah would have been like protected? Yeah, I think that she had indicated that, you know, they knew she was hiding it. And I think she would have, I, because there are other things that he has hidden in the past. Like he hasn't mentioned like when a,

you know, retired pro athlete. You know, he hasn't mentioned to them like, oh, this is just like when you were playing baseball for the men. You know, or whatever.

So I think he's pretty good about keeping secret things secret. I did actually talk to him about this, weirdly enough. when I was in one of my interviews when I was in L.A. before the game, before I was actually on the show, I should say. And it was like you had to go, like, have like almost like a one-on-one with Jeff and Lynn was there. And there was one other individual in the room. And he and I just started chatting. And I started talking about tribal council and how he wasn't going to get anything out of me during tribal council.

And so we were kind of going down that path. But I did talk with him about how, like, I was impressed that he's never thrown anybody under the bus even by mistake. And he's like, what do you mean? And I said, well, you don't ever say anything about someone that that person doesn't want other players to know about them. Like, I don't want anybody to know that I'm a lawyer. And I don't have to worry about Jeff accidentally saying that I'm a lawyer in tribal council.

And he has done that throughout the years where he's never accidentally called somebody out on something that they don't want the other players to know. And you just kind of sat there and went, huh. Jeff's a pro. Jeff's a pro when it comes to the hosting. When it's coming to the hosting aspect and like getting and hitting all his lines, like one take,

everything like that, the guy's the master. Yeah. And I just think he's very good at maintaining whatever messaging needs to be maintained and doesn't slip up because if he did, God, that would be terrible. If all of a sudden he outed the player for something that they had done, So it would be interesting to see how they would have handled the Savannah component because no one had seen it.

So, yeah, I think that's a very interesting, interesting point. Yeah, yeah. Now, you know, continuing back to the, you know, being too much of a threat aspect of things, you know, luckily, Surrey came back and explained to Ozzie and Tiffany and Rizzo and anyone else who would listen and even to Joe who wouldn't listen, that you can take out the other. people later, you have to get rid of Coach and Chrissy now. And she added that they were like the mom and dad of the alliance and the kids wouldn't know what to do without him.

And I think we even saw some of that in tribal council when Jonathan saw the writing on the wall and was getting mad at Devons and saying stupid things in response to Devons pointing out how obvious the alliance was being. I posted a video on this earlier. He's like, yeah, well, you're showing

your colors too. I'm like his colors? You mean like trying to save himself. It's just one of those things. Everyone can go back in time and point to an argument in my experience where you say something

in the heat of the moment and you look back on it and go, wow, that was really stupid. I just said something to say something. And I know mine, because mine was on TV. I was on a talk show. I was arguing.

I was there. It was the Morton Downey Jr. attempt. at a comeback talk show. And, and, uh, and I was on there along with some psychics. And I was on there with a detective and who is, who is a magician and a psychic buster. And what it happened was he took ill that day. And so I had to do more of the talking.

And there was one there who happened to have, I had a book with me that was all about these different ones. And there was one there. who there was a whole chapter about her in the book. So I could like cite stuff that she had done. And I was throwing it out there in this talk show. And she got mad. And she came off her chair and storming at me.

And this woman was about, you know, four foot 10 at tops, you know, probably four foot six. And and so she came storming at me. And I hopped out of my chair. And I think the first thing I said was, I can stand up. too, you know, or something really dumb like that. It made no sense or I can yell too. I'd have to go back and look.

No, that's what, no, you didn't say that. And, and so, I believe the quote was, I will always rag my finger in your face. Yeah, exactly. That was the direct quote. Right. And, Amy Capenberg. And well, that's kind of the same situation.

So yeah, I know there are times when you get so mad and flustered and, You say things that make no sense in the moment. And I think, you know, that that's what Jonathan did, but it's still pretty funny that he, you know, like, like Seris said, he didn't know what to do. Mom and dad were about to get voted out and he didn't know what to do and he got mad and it will be interesting to see what happens with that in the future. but that's part of what made them more of a threat because they were the heads of that alliance. It only leaves Jonathan, Joe who can't do strategy for anything,

and the other woman who's in a similar boat and just believes whatever Surrey tells her. If they wanted to address this, they could have tried to decide that Jonathan wasn't that necessary and to let him be a sacrificial lamb and go for him and Christian. She could have said,

hey coach and I are actually not your problems the problem you have are these dudes and if we can actually and then we can all everything's going to be fine but um but she didn't think about it I agree her threat level was tied to being in this big alliance and she did nothing to mitigate it yeah yeah and yeah and then it was dropping Rizzo's name to boo right so that that was the last that was kind of what sealed the deal there you know the final straw what was the name of this talk show again you're Morton Downey Jr. I am so Googling it right now.

Oh, it's way, it's way, I mean, my 30-year-old son was a baby at the time. Okay, but there are quite a few Morton-Dounty Jr. YouTube clips here. I just want you to know that. Good luck. This was, this was, it was local TV at that point because he was coming back from, he was coming back from when he drew the swastika on himself in the mirror. That was on here. I happened to see that. too. He claimed he had been attacked by neo-Nazis, but then everyone noticed the swastika was

backwards as if he had drawn it on himself in a mirror. And so he lost his nationally syndicated talk show and had to lay low for a while. So, yeah. Well, somewhere in the universe is a video that I would like to see of David Bloomberg. I'll try. It may have been converted to CD or DVD at some point. But the problem is I don't have a computer with a CD reader anymore. So that doesn't help. Oh, I do.

It's fine. Find it. It's like my Survivor audition from 2004 is on a DVD, but I can't even find it. Yeah. So. I'm sorry.

We have to focus. I apologize. We're two hours and 20 minutes in. Yeah. So Rule 7 covers idols and advantages and game mechanics. And the most obvious issue here is the double Dutch duo twist

or whatever the hell it was called. I have, I have seen some suggestions and, you know, and Jessica may have suggested it, that players should have known it was more. Dalton Ross said in his article, I guarantee you these returning All-Stars knew good and well. There was a big chance something more than a simple challenge performance was afoot

when they selected their partners, which is exactly why so many of them offered to be the one to sit out. We've kind of already addressed this. You know, maybe someone will come later and verify it. But as of now, we only know about coaching Chrissy, and they said they had no idea. And even if they thought there was something more to it, expecting them to conclude that it would involve voting out both of them as a duo at the same time, something that has never been done in this game, that is way too big an expectation. Maybe, again, if someone had seen that season of South African Survivor, how many of them would that apply to? I, two max, two max have watched South African Survivor, I believe, of those still in the game.

So I can't find any fault with Coach and Chrissy for that. Mm-hmm. Agreed. I like the coach who was smart enough to play a shot in the dark. Shout out to these players who last week, D played hers. This week, coach played his. I like that they are showing us that they know what's going on. So they're great, they are great.

I do think that Chrissy voting for Emily and Rizzo seems kind of ill-advised. I don't think that voting for a duo with an idol is smart. She should have thought of that.

And I do, again, I'm really thinking about this more and more that I think if they really wanted to get at someone, they really should have seen Jonathan in their own alliance

as expendable and Christian as expendable. And then it would have been one of those things where no harm, no foul, because both sides are pissed and you sort of break even.

It's not honorable. It's not honorable. You can't do that. Well, Coach might not have done that, but I think that Chrissy could have maybe thought about that. She could have, but she also talked about how close she was with Jonathan. Yeah. The thing is like the strategy on this is pretty clear, by the way. And I'm surprised that more advantages did not fly here because you have twice the risk,

but you don't have any benefit to go with it. Right. So it's not like twice the risk, twice the reward. It's like just twice the risk. And therefore, I kind of thought that every idol or every vote should matter because when you think about it, every idol has a certain number of expected, there's an expected value for that, right? And in fact, it just double, right?

Because if you are protecting it with your, it's almost like playing it on two people, right? It is. Yeah, because. And so why not use it when you're like, well, it could be me or it could be this person next to me of what's, well, actually, either way, it's great.

So I thought that the extra votes, steal of votes, and idols were going to fly. And I was kind of surprised they didn't because, again, on the strategic sort of math of it, getting through this vote is pretty important. Yeah, I think they didn't fly. Well, so Chrissy said that she did not, that she voted for Devens and Aubrey in case,

what was it? No, she voted for Rizzo and. Right, sorry. Rizzo and Emily in case the idol was played and their shot hit. So at least there would be someone not in their alliance going. but if you know just following the order of operations which we know jessica loves so much if the shot in the dark had hit and devons had a real idol and played it well then rizzo would have played the idol like you just said he remind me crazy not to remind me is rizzo's

idol public at this point does emily know about does uh does chrissey know about it i don't know she knows about it but sure seemed like everyone knew about it well because you know but i'm saying if Chrissy did not know about Rizzo's idol, that that violates this rule, because part of this rule is knowing where the advantages are. Right. I mean, it seems like everyone knows where everything,

where those things are, the idols are. So, yeah, you know, like you said, it was smart of him to play the shot in the dark. It's interesting. It would have been incredibly ironic and terrible,

you know, and I was sitting there gripping my couch, like do not say safe. if the shot hit, it would have caused Devin's and Aubrey to go out when, as we discussed earlier, they would have been safe without the fake idol theater. Yeah.

So that would have been, you know, a point that we would have been discussing right now. Luckily, that did not happen. We didn't have to worry about that. Could Chrissy have also played her shot in the dark as well? Yes. I thought he said, I thought he said that only one per each pair could play it.

No, I don't think so. Interesting. Yeah. Now, another point to discuss in this rule is whether the other players should have realized Devin's idol was fake. Some people have said that they should have. I don't see how in that moment you can make that determination. Yes, Jeff did an interview years ago. I believe it was right after Adam tried to play the podium as an idol.

And he told Dalton Ross that he wouldn't hide an idol in tribal council. But even if any of them remembered that, Jeff has changed his mind before. There's nothing to say he wouldn't have this time. Plus, the idea, I mean, what is more likely that Jeff changed his mind over the course of five, six years? Or that someone would plant a fake idol ahead of time, have, a parchment to wrap it in, the appropriate parchment to wrap it in. It is the right size. Put it in tribal council. Somehow find a way to distract everyone to put it in tribal council just so they could retrieve it now. That is highly, highly unlikely. But awesome. It's awesome. So unlikely,

you know, even if you're sitting there saying it's fake, it's fake, are you willing to to bet your life on that. That's fake. Yeah. Yeah. And I just don't see how you can take a chance. Yeah. That's crazy. Agreed. All right. We could go to Appendix A, which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak and the strong and the strong. And as I said last week, we were in a phase in the early merge of voting out strong players. You want to get rid of them when you have the opportunity. Or in this case, you want to get rid of two of them in that situation. And that was a big. selling point, as we've already discussed.

Though one could argue that after everything we've said, neither of them was actually a strong player. I mean, we've spent two hours talking about that and all the things they did wrong, but they were strong in one area. And that was the most important area that we talk about, which was their alliance. Yes. And I've said it a couple times now. It was much less likely to break than others if they were allowed to continue moving forward.

And even in numbers alone, taking out two other players, would have put that group in a prime position to just have far too much control in the game. So I think it absolutely made sense for everyone other than that group to vote out Coach and Chrissy here. And, you know, like I said, also thank goodness Surrey came back to explain it because people like Ozzie and Rizzo, we're not listening to Christian and Emily when they made the same arguments. Surrey said we're taking the beach back. Yeah. And they did.

I think it's interesting that coach voted for Colby a little while ago. That was interesting. I mean, I thought that he had a nickname, but what was it? Like the, I don't know, like the Ruby-coated. I think he was the Stonebell Monk, wasn't he? Oh, right, right. Parvoy. Rupertoded marshmallow Cowboy.

I don't know. I'm just saying names. But like, Coach was going to, that was a week. That was Kobe's week. Colby's week is going to get voted out, right? He's going to get Medevac. I didn't quite understand coach going along with that. I don't know.

The weak, the strong. I mean, yeah, everyone voted for Colby at that moment for that reason. Right. But why coach did that was a little hard for me. Voting for D was kind of made kind of sense. She's kind of a huge threat in terms of her gameplay and her ability. I mean, she's one of the greats. But she wasn't that strong in terms of this game setup.

So I'm not sure that made sense. But, you know, it was not terrible. Chrissy going for Camilla, I thought, was actually pretty smart. She was just trying to kind of solidify those numbers. So I think she abided by that. But I still don't get the Emily Rizzo of it in this one. I think they, well, I don't know. All right.

Well, we could go on to Appendix B, which discusses the jury phase of the game. Tiffany had talked about wanting to get Chrissy out before the jury because of how Chrissy had acted earlier. A little late for that. Can't go back in time unless you have an hourglass. and I'm sure new era players aren't thrilled that coach and his 26 won't win 50s slogan. You know, they weren't happy about that. Plus his statements about how only people with honor won't win this season.

Yeah, I'm sure they don't want him on the jury. But again, too late to do anything about that. So the best they could do is get him out now. So he couldn't keep spreading that. I have to say it also doesn't bode well for their remaining allies. eyes because if coach and Chrissy really are thinking that way, you don't want to drag one or two of them along to the final three because they get two free votes from Coach and Chrissy.

Yeah. So the only way to eliminate the focus on honor and integrity is to ensure that nobody has any in coach's eyes by the time you get to the end. See, that's really fascinating because I was kind of contemplating the idea of bringing coach to the end, like as a final three, because is he really going to get any votes? But if you do have enough people sitting on the jury that have bought into this idea of honor and integrity and feel like that should be recognized in season 50, it would be interesting to see how the numbers would shake out in that regard because he would need to be sitting there by himself. no one else with this honor and integrity alliance could be sitting next to him. But I don't know if the numbers would still, if he would be able to get the numbers he needed, depending upon obviously who he would be sitting next to.

Well, it's also a big jury, right? It's going to be 11 people plus the final three. And so if you had five in the who's in the utter integrity is a five of them really, I guess. So then if you had four on the jury, that's not even enough. And all four would have to actually vote for the remaining person. Look, my whole thing about, so I'm not sure, but my whole thing about saying coach was my winner pick was the idea that I thought that he would be dragged at the end. And also people sort of like, I sort of had this idea that for 50, they would like to give it to someone sort of classic, an Ozzie, a Surrey, a coach, McCleby. Surrey.

Right. Surrey would be the best. But, but I don't, but once the game started to play, I quickly parted, parted with that fantasy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, goodness. All right. Well, unless we have anything else,

it is about time to wrap things up for Coach and Chrissy. So, Jeremy, what are your final thoughts on them? All right. Let me get my notes here. All right. Coach first, right? However you want to do it. Okay.

I wrote a lot here, but I hope that I can get through it quickly. Coach loves to quote people like Nietzsche and, and Magellan, but he forgot about the Oracle of Delphi, who said, know thyself. Coach says he's all about honor and integrity, and that wins Survivor. He says he doesn't lie, but he's lying about that. The irony is that being a liar, and even being known as a liar, does not get you voted off of the island in Survivor 50. Lying is not the problem.

Hypocrisy is the problem. Emily said it perfectly when she accused him of the hypocrisy of the rule. is for thee, not for me. And that creates this kind of tension. It creates difficult game dynamics. Hippocrate is a worst label in this game than a liar. Because if you're honest, like Joe, you might be kind of easy to play around and you could bring around for a while. But it's not even fun. And so it became obvious that this could be a great time to get coach out. But as much as I'd like to say that hypocrisy is why coach lost, it kind of isn't. I think the other reason why coach lost is that he is, well, actually, another reason

that he didn't lose, but it would be really tempting to say that, would it be that he is profoundly annoying. But that's not the reason he lost either. Both of these eventually probably would have bitten coach later. But I think the reason that he lost now is that he was correctly clocked as someone who wanted to lead an old school pegging. And these two, and these players in this season are too good. to sit back and let that happen.

So in the final analysis, most of the cast of season 50 are, to quote, my own rule, they are professionals. They are very good at Survivor. In contrast, coach is not very good at Survivor, and that is why Coach lost. That's incredible. Go ahead with Chrissy, too.

Okay. Chrissy, I said I had the haiku. There we go. Chrissy did the things that you need to do to win. She built alliances. She seemed to be playing strategically, driving at least a key vote. she didn't let emotions cloud her vision, like sticking with her majority alliance,

despite coach telling her that she was talking too much. Would that have been adequate to get her to the end? Possibly. But she lacked the flexibility in her gameplay and in her relationships to be seen as sufficiently distanced and distinct from coach, such that when she was linked with him, they just became this massive target. She could not have seen that coming. So the double the demise twist, you know, Jeff said the fans voted for that.

Christian said that they didn't, I agree. Is that why she lost? No. But I think the twist exposed the huge weakness in her game, which was that she was kind of playing a less than modern game and not flexible enough game. And that's why Chrissy lost. Excellent.

That was great, Jeremy. Thank you. Better watch out, David Bloomberg. It's coming for you. Every week, I cannot do that. No, no, no, no. No, no. Once a season, once a season, I can do it.

I could try to match the quality. Please, please. All right. Well, you're doing a great job. I appreciate it. And I just want you to know before I talk about Chrissy and Coach, my mom thinks you're fabulous, Jeremy. So I just want to let you know. So I just want to let you know. So as far as coach and Chrissy are concerned, I do think it's interesting that we seem to have this theme that is developed. And that's this honesty, loyalty, integrity theme that is just surrounding both of these players because they found themselves in an alliance that espoused honesty. loyalty and integrity, but sometimes actions speak louder than words. And I think that's really what we see happening here, is that you can say that you are one thing, but then you act a way that represents that you are not. And I do think Jeremy did such a great job kind of laying this out with coach and all of the things that he just was very bad at. And that, I think, includes being honest and having integrity and being loyal is questionable, even though I think that's,

the one that he wants to hang his hat on the most is that he is a loyal person. And I do think there's a lot to be said about you really have to represent what you're going to say you're going to be. And if you aren't going to be able to be those things, then don't act like you're better than everyone for being those things. And that's really what we saw coach doing. He was flat out telling people, if you were not an honest person, if you're not loyalty, you don't have integrity, you're not winning this game. And God, darn it, I'm going to make sure that that happens if I'm, you know, and so that's just kind of threatening people and trying to force them to play a game in a way that they don't necessarily want to play. And also play a game that doesn't fit in the constructs of what Survivor is supposed to be.

Survivor is supposed to allow you to lie and backstab and scheme and plot. That's really what you're supposed to be doing. But you're supposed to be doing it in a way that makes other people respect the moves that you're making and be impressed with your abilities to scheme and plot and get yourself. to the end because that's one thing that we hear so much is that it's one thing to make it to the end. It's another thing to get people to vote you to win. And I do think that coach was very unaware of what this really entailed. If you would like to win this game, which I don't know if he did. I really think he just wanted to be on TV. And I think that he's said that time and time again now in his exit press. He seems like a very entertaining human being. Maybe he should be on the White

Lotus because, you know, maybe he'd be great on a regular TV show. But as far as winning this game, I do think that he put himself into a particular spot. And he made that spot impossible for him to win this game with the way that he represented it himself. So that is my thoughts on coach. As far as Chrissy is concerned, I hate to say it's about the bends, but I got to say it's about the bends. We've had two bends now that have really caused her demise. And I just feel so terrible for her. She should have known right away. I should have nothing to do with coach because his name is actually Ben and I had some problems with the Ben previously. But unfortunately, she saw some things in coach that reminded her of herself, whether it be age, children, spouse, life experience,

things that made her feel comfortable, things that made her feel connected to someone, which she was clearly missing from her last season where she did exceptionally well, despite the fact that she didn't have those social connections she needed. She basically had one person, maybe two, but it was impressive she was able to make it as far as she didn't, and should have really won that season. So I think for Chrissy to come into this season, realizing, or recognizing, these are the strengths I have, and I can win immunities, and I can do these things. And now I have a buddy. Now I have a ride or die. Now I have somebody who wants to play this game with me, and he comes with a group of people that also want to play this game. And we're talking about honesty and loyalty and integrity. And this

is great. We have the numbers. We're set and we're fine. And I think she forgot about the rest, that there needed to be more. And she took advantage of the situation that she found herself in because she thought all of a sudden, I have the social capital I didn't have before. But she didn't recognize that that extended beyond just that group of people that wanted to work with her, thinking that they had the numbers, thinking they had all the control. When an actuality, Ceres over here. And Cerey's like, uh-uh, I don't think so. There's more happening here and you are missing out on the rest of the people that are here. And again, if you don't have all of the numbers, you don't need all of them, but you need more than when you think you have if you're unsure about

having a majority. You got to check in, you got to know, you can't just think you need to know for sure what the numbers are. So unfortunately, I think Chrissy just kind of fell into a comfortable place with her alliance, thinking that they were in control and thinking that they had all of the control when in actuality, they did not. Before the game began, coach said everything I wanted to hear. He got my hopes up that he finally understood how to play Survivor. And maybe small part of him actually does. but it's not the part of his brain that's in control

because him saying that only made it worse when he smashed my hopes to smithereens by devolving back to the same old coach. He said in pregame interviews that he wanted to make war with a clean heart. Instead, he ended up making war within his own head. Part of him knew that to play Survivor, he had to lie and do other supposed

dishonorable things. But whenever he would try, another part of his brain slapped him back to his usual path and wouldn't let him continue. He could not handle the cognitive dissonance. In the first episode, Coach got the reception he's always wanted. When he showed up on the boat with supplies, arms wide open. But when word got back to him that Ozzy was soiling his good name, that would not stand. And thus the descent back into madness began. He made a few attempts to actually play the game properly. But perhaps because he wasn't used to it, he kept making mistakes, telling easily detectable

lies, missing key relationships, et cetera. And each time he was caught being dishonest or dishonorable, he suffered an injury to his psyche until it all blew up last week, whether because he found out D said not to trust him or because people wouldn't listen to him about the vote or more likely a combination of both. Everything spiraled for coach at that point and he made himself into a huge target for both strategic and social reasons. Chrissy had her own issues in the game as well, maybe not quite as noticeable as coaches. And I do fully believe she knows a lot more of how the game needs to be played from a strategic standpoint. And indeed, she was trying to do that sort of maneuvering behind the scenes.

But people saw how she had chosen an insular path, only wanting to work with certain people from the very start of the game. Those who weren't her allies knew they never would be. So why would they want to keep her. And there was certainly no reason compelling enough to outweigh the idea of voting out coach with her. If this had been a regular vote of a single person, even with all the negatives for both of them, I'm not sure either of them would have gone. As I mentioned earlier, it seemed like Surrey and Ozzy were okay, letting them pick off one of the others. But with this twist in play, they could not allow that alliance to suddenly gain a two-person advantage and the perfect duo with all sorts of issues between them

was sitting right there. Let's face it, most of the reasons for voting out this duo rested with coach. If it had been him and Jonathan or him and Joe or him and that other woman, the result still would have been coach leaving. But he and Chrissy were the tightest allies from day one and everyone knew it so that made this even more appropriate. Coach and his tightest ally being available to take out immediately after he had made such a spectacle of himself and pissed people off and made it clear he wanted them gone was a gift they could not refuse. And that is why coach and Chrissy lost. So you're saying you think he's good. You're saying he's a great player. Yes. Is that the vibe that I'm getting? Pretty much, pretty much. Yes. He also just created

the greatest title for an album ever. dissent back into madness. Oh, yeah. Yeah, only to be topped by Aaron saying, who is this jackass? That'd be a great, also album title

for a coach album. Right. By the way, for anyone's asking how, why is it taking us two and a half hours to talk about

why coach lost? Are you kidding me? It would take us six hours to get into the real reasons. This is a sprint. Yeah, this is, yeah,

it's the coach and Chrissy. And, yes, this is right. There's a reason, you know, coach would be honored. I mean, he wouldn't be honored to hear what we said about him.

But he would be honored that this is going to be one of the longest. By the way, I would love to hang with coach. I think he and I would actually kind of vibe. I hate to admit that. There's a bit of coaching me. I have to say. I mean, as long as you're not playing the game. No, I mean, I've mentioned before I have met him.

And he was in outer space when I met him. He was not the coach we thought and him with. Yeah. He wasn't, though, because he was so kind of zoned out. And I don't know. Maybe he had a long night. Maybe he was, I don't know what. I know he had a fairly long drive to get there.

Now, though, I see him having fun, playing music and all this other, going on tour. And so that's more of a coach that might be fun to hang with. Yes. Oh, my God. Maybe he'll use the descent back into madness as a title for his. There we go. There we go. All right.

I do want to remind everyone of something that Jeremy told us earlier that the rules we just discussed are available in a poster form and t-shirt form and checklist on a t-shirt form and of course the the the honesty loyalty integrity of it all with of course scheme and plot on the back uh and you have to click on one of the other t-shirts to get and find that t-shirt so just go to rob has a website dot com slash yX lost feed. Now Jeremy, yes, Jeremy,

where can we find you online? Well, I can be found online. Primarily the best way to read about what I think about medicine and occasionally even Survivor. I actually interviewed Kishan about medicine and stuff and would love to do more.

It's on my substack inside medicine. So it's all free. I would love to have your subscriptions. I'm on Instagram and threads at Jeremy Samuel Foust. And I'm on blue sky at Jeremy Faus. B-S-K-Y dot social. I will also mention that you can find

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because she's got just the career and the fam and it's a lot of stuff going on with dogs. She's also at Jessica Lewis 89 at blue sky.

dot social and Jessica Lewis 89 on the bad place. But she is nothing compared to the social media machinations and manifestations and dominations of David Bloomberg who requires his own Linktree.

David, where can they follow you? So you could find all of my various accounts at Linktree slash David Bloomberg or directly on Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg and on the video sites, YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV. I have been posting generally about two reality TV short videos every day, mostly about Survivor 50 at this point. I'm going to have some million dollar secret thrown in, a couple of, of the end of House of Villains,

and you never know when anything else might strike my fancy. Speaking of Million Dollar Secret, this was a three podcast day for me. I am back on the Tradar for our special coverage of Season 2 of Million Dollar Secret. I know that already, as we are recording this,

our recap of episode one is out, and our episode two and, sorry, yes, episode two and three recap should be out shortly after this is posted. So, you know, by the time many of you are listening. So again, that's search for Trader, T-R-A-I-D-A-R, in audio or on YouTube. Listen, Jeremy's coming for both of our jobs. I know.

I know. I need new friends. I need new friends. I haven't heard from see you in a while, you know. Christian Hibicki is very busy. You know, hey, if you're on this, by the way, if you are on the show and, you like my nonsense. I love to talk Survivor.

I love when I get to do that. So there's a shout out. Ris God, I'm talking to you. Yes. I love this. I love this. This is so much fun. All right.

So now for the next fun part that you love. Can Jeremy do my predictions too? Oh, this is so good. I love this. You can do it all. Well, we're going to go through this. Well, I say pretty quickly and then I look at what I have for notes. But, okay.

Next week, who the heck knows? The preview was essentially useless, except that we we know what kind of challenge it is and Jeff seems to join in the competition for fun. My recollection is Joe did extremely well in this one in his season. Yes. I'll predict he wins this time, though, of course, it could be Jonathan. You know, Jonathan takes the place of David in this one.

I also think we'll have a normal one-person vote next week. It would make sense to me that even if Joe doesn't win immunity, he'll be safe because why else would Rizzo and Saras? have tried to get him on board this week unless they want to somehow work with him. And I bet Siree won't want to take out the other woman because she can control her. It's obvious.

If Jonathan doesn't win immunity, he is a juicy, juicy target. Ooh, I agree. But that group, the group who is truly the middle people, not the ones they call the middle people, may want to use Will Wall's pendulum strategy. and go after one of those so-called middle people.

Devons has already claimed the idol is good starting now. People, upon thinking about it more, they may suspect it's fake, especially with a little bit more time. Or they could just be like, we don't care if it's fake. They could put Christian in danger. They might split the vote on those two if they have enough, depending on who they can all loop into this. And I, unfortunately, that's why I'm going to settle.

I think they're going to split the vote to either flush out Devin's or the idol. And of course, we know which it'll be because the idol is fit. That's interesting. So, I mean, I'm not going to get into all kinds of particulars here. I just really kind of feel like I do agree that it would be interesting if it was Oh, I don't know. What is Surrey going to do? I have to channel Surrey because she's the one who's going to lead the charges to whoever is going to go home.

And, um, Jonathan. Just going to say Jonathan. I have, I know this is the crappiest part of. No idea. That's why you just pick a name. Just pick anybody. It's fine.

I'm just going to say. Stephanie because I don't think she would like me either. We know she wouldn't. That's it. Or me. All right. Well, as we wrap up, I want to encourage people to check out the RHAP patron program at rob has a website.com slash patron.

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the charge on the editing. Thank you to everyone who helps him in that regard, not just for the YBlank Blanc loss podcast, but all of the incredible content that you did hear David Bloomberg speak of. And I would like to say thank you to Jeremy. for coming at David Bloomberg at the beginning and then coming at me at the end. I love this. This is so exciting. Maybe if you need a job, let me know. But anyway, Jeremy, listen, you are fantastic and fabulous.

As always, as I did indicate, my mother, thinks you are very enjoyable as well. So thank you for being here with us. We do appreciate it. You always do a great job. So thanks. Thank you. I had a great time, as always. You guys are such professionals.

The audience is great. RHAP community is wonderful. I am a patron. So it's fun to come and come and do this. And I love talking to former players and future players and y'all. And Jessica, if your mom wants to talk Survivor, I'm down, you know, whatever it takes to get another invite back. And I just appreciate you all. This is one of the fun parts of my years doing this, especially when you have all these greats, you know, Heidi and Stephen and David Wright.

And it's like, and then who's this guy? So thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And yeah, great job. Well, let me, yes, let me add my thanks, Jeremy, for you joining us. I know that, you know, most of the time when you're in audio or video, you're discussing things of like urgent medical nature and the pit, you know, which is more recent. I like to think we broke you in for that, you know, talking about TV shows for that. You know, I'm glad that we could pull you away from, you know, slumming it on those major cable networks and stuff like that, you know, and that.

You know, we're able to elevate you here to talk about what's really important in life, which is Survivor. But in all seriousness, you know, I appreciate everything else that you do as well. And certainly appreciate the time you take to come on and talk Survivor with us. So with that, Jessica, of course, thank you. I appreciate you talking to Survivor with me every week. And this is, you know, this is the first time we've ever had a twofer where two hosts, lose their winner picks in the same week.

Insane. So, yeah. But I'm in great company. Jeremy, thank you. So we will see everyone in a week. And of course, you can find us on social media before then. Feel free to reach out. And we will talk to you.

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