Rich Habits Podcast - Q&A: Putting $1.6M of "Dead Equity" to Work, Selling Single Stocks, and VYM
Episode Date: April 18, 2024In this episode of the Rich Habits Podcast, Robert Croak and Austin Hankwitz answer your questions!Should I keep my $18K in a HYSA or choose T-Bills?What about SCHD and VYM?I'm having trouble sell...ing my single stock investments, what should I keep and what should I sell?Should I take my new pay increase and use that to max out my employer-sponsored retirement accounts?How do I approach talking about money with my girlfriend, and soon to be fiance? I have $1.65M in 'dead equity,' what should I do?---Save your seat at our FREE webinar all about Direct Indexing, click here!---⭐ Download our FREE Budgeting Template – click here⭐ Earn 5.1% on your savings with a High-Yield Cash Account – click here⭐ Trade stocks, options, music royalties and crypto on Public – click here⭐ Listen to Public's new daily podcast, The Rundown – click here⭐ Automatically buy stock where you shop with Grifin – click here⭐ Protect your family with term life insurance from Suriance – click here⭐ Use code “Spotify” for 15% off our 4-module video course – click here⭐ Optimize your portfolio with Seeking Alpha – click here⭐ Explore debt consolidation loans on LendingTree – click here---👤 Explore everything Austin does – click here 👤 Explore everything Robert does – click here❓ Ask us questions for our Q&A episodes – @richhabitspodcast on Instagram📬 Inquire about working together – christian@witz.vc---Disclosures: Options are not suitable for all investors and carry significant risk. Certain complex options strategies carry additional risk. Options can be risky and are not suitable for all investors. See the Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options to learn more.For each options transaction, Public Investing shares 50% of their order flow revenue as a rebate to help reduce your trading costs. This rebate will be displayed as a negative number in the “Additional Fees” column of your Trade Confirmation Statement and will be immediately reflected in the total dollars paid or received for the transaction. Order flow rebates are only issued for options trades and not for transactions involving other assets, including equities. For more information, refer to the Fee Schedule.All investing involves the risk of loss, including loss of principal. Brokerage services for US-listed, registered securities, options and bonds in a self-directed account are offered by Open to the Public Investing, Inc., member FINRA & SIPC. See public.com/#disclosures-main for more information.Hankwitz Group LLC has an existing business relationship with NEOS Investment Management LLC. The opinions expressed are those of the author, and the author owns several NEOS ETFs.
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Hey everyone and welcome back to the Rich Habits Podcast, a top 10 business podcast on Spotify.
My name is Austin Hankwitz. I'm joined by my co-host Robert Croke and you're tuning in to our
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this is for U.S. members only. Let's jump up to our first question, Robert. This one's coming
from J.T. Jay says, I've been listening to the Rich Habits podcast for four months now,
and I've actually gone back to re-listen to every single episode. My wife and I have $18,000
in our high-yield savings account, and it pays 5.15% annually. Is this a good rate? I know T-bills
are paying a little bit higher. Should I keep my money where it is, move it to T bills? Should I think about
ETFs? What do I do here, guys? Robert, this is a great question because I think we should actually
take a moment to remind people why high yield savings accounts are so important. The reason why you want
to have an emergency fund, right, a high yield savings account, a fully funded emergency fund here,
is so you don't have to make a mistake with your money given a motion or day-to-day turbulence or
unexpected events. What I'm talking about is, for example, let's say you had a death in the family
and you had to come up with $5,000, $15,000 to help cover funeral costs. If you didn't have an
emergency fund, you might be tempted to take out a 401k loan, go into high interest credit card debt,
maybe some sort of predatory helock on your house, right? But by having an emergency fund
in place of three to six months of household expenses, you have that cushion between you and
everyday life. So to answer the question, Robert, I want to get your perspective here, but I mean,
dude, you're doing great. I wouldn't, I mean, sure, if you want to try and optimize a little bit there with half a percent that you might be able to get with T-bills, be my guest. But 5.15 and 5.5 isn't going to be a big deal, especially with only $18,000. I mean, we're talking about, what, 60 bucks a year here, an extra, you know, interest you can earn. So that's not the goal of these high-yield savings accounts and these emergency funds, right? They are not investments. They are insurance against terrible financial decisions you might make in the future if you didn't have the fund.
Yeah, I think you crushed the answer and Jay, great question.
To me, the way to look at it is, yes, we talk about treasury bills all of the time.
And many times it's because so many people let their money just sit in checking in regular savings accounts.
You're already in a very good high yield savings account.
So you're crushing it from that perspective.
And I love Austin pointing out the emergency fund status.
The only thing to look at that's a little bit different because you don't necessarily need to trade from the high yield savings to the treasury bill
just to gain that little small percentage of gain, because you have to look at it that you're already
doing well with the 5.1%. What I would look at is treasury bills do have some advantages. They are
liquid through public.com. You do pay no taxes on your gains, both state and local, so there are some
advantages. So just keep that in mind. But in this instance, if you really felt like you should transfer some
money, I would maybe keep 10 in the high yield savings and put eight in the treasury bills. But otherwise,
I think you're fine sitting put. You're doing great with the money.
that emergency fund and just always remember that we want you to optimize your money and never let it
sit. So just think about and figure out your monthly bills and how much you should have in an
emergency fund. And then everything on top of that, I would get optimized in your Roth IRA, in the
Treasury bills, or in other more higher gain paying investment strategies. You know, Robert, this is why
I love the podcast so much because you just mentioned something I totally forgot about, which is
T-bills are tax-exempt from both the local and state levels, which means, you know, if you're paying,
let's call it 5, 10, maybe 15%, depending on what state you live in and your local sort of jurisdictions
there, you could be saving upwards to $100 a year on this 900 in interest you'll be earning on
the high-yield savings. You know, we're hearing all these talks of economic downturn and possibility
of, you know, issues in the stock market because of inflation, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So there's always a lot of skies falling people.
And treasury bills are a great tool as is high-ield savings.
And the nice thing is, as you grow and grow and grow,
treasury bills can be a great place to have your money,
just chugging away, making that 5, 5.5%.
So it's up to you.
I think it's a great question.
You're in a really good spot with the high-ield savings,
but both are great options.
Our next question comes from Robert H.
Robert says,
I recently heard you all talk about Nios's ETFs, SPYI, and QQQQQI on the podcast.
and I'm trying to weigh the benefits of investing into these funds opposed to just your simple dividend-paying
ETFs like SCHD and VYM. What should I do? Should I even do both? Robert, good question. So from my
perspective, I would consider doing both. I'm a dividend growth investor. I love owning dividend
growth stocks, which are defined as companies who are growing their revenue, their profits, but more
importantly, the dividends they pay to their investors every single year. Lowe's in Home Depot and Costco are
great examples of that, right? Costco just increased their dividend by like 14% year every year. So I'm a
dividend growth investor because I think it reflects, you know, just how awesome the underlying
business is if you're able to pay cash dividends to your shareholders. Now, to answer your
question, Robert, SPYI and QQQQI or some of these other dividend focused ETFs, again, I own
both. I have SPYI, I have QQQQI, I have SCD, and I have VYM. So I have all for the ETFs that you
mentioned in this question. And if you want to sort of diversify your portfolio, not to just
aim to track the underlying indices of the S&P in the NASDAQ, but also have some dividend growth
stocks in there as well. S-C-H-D is a great way to do that. And so is V-O-I-M. Robert, do you have any
perspective on this question? No, not really. I think you can have both as well. We love SPYI and QQQQI from NEOs.
They're just great, great products.
And, you know, we're big believers in the NASDAQ and the S&P 500.
So for us, I think you could have all four of those and really have a balanced portfolio
as far as your portion going towards dividend investing.
So I think it's great, Robert.
And Austin, I think it's a good breakdown.
You guys all know that we love the NEO's funds.
And these are two really good ones.
Good question, Robert.
Our next question comes from Scott.
Scott says I'm 26 and I make 90,000 per year.
I've been able to invest like crazy over the last several years, and my brokerage account balance has now exceeded $85,000.
However, a lot of this is invested across dozens of single stocks.
Some have dramatically outperformed, while others have dramatically underperformed.
I want to clean up my portfolio, but every time I look up the stock I want to sell's price target, according to Wall Street,
it's supposed to outperform the S&P 500 over the next 12 months.
But weirdly enough, it never does.
Should I sell these single stocks that are underperforming and move them?
money into index funds like you all say. I'm just experiencing some major analysis paralysis.
Robert, I feel like this question is right up your alley. Yeah, Scott, it's a great question.
And to comfort you as much as I can, I think everyone goes through this. I look at portfolios
every single day and I see some people that have 35 stocks, 18 index funds, et cetera, et cetera,
you know how this goes. And for me, I think you're on the right track. I think you should rebalance it.
If you have to take some hits, it's not going to matter because you're going to be able to use those losses against your gains.
So don't worry about that. And you really just want to focus your portfolio.
I've been talking about something lately that I think is really important for people, especially in the earlier stages, is I think I could outperform most portfolios with five index funds, five stocks, five stocks and five cryptos.
Because so many people get stretched thin because they have far too many stocks, far too many index funds.
And it's just not necessary.
So in your case, calm down.
A lot of people go through this, figure it out, see how the numbers work, and just really condense it down so you can understand it and look to lean on those index funds that we talk about because so many economists, so many brokers and so many fake gurus are always going to tell you that they're going to outperform the S&P 500.
Guess what? It doesn't work. You know, Warren Buffett had a famous bet where he outperformed all these hedge funds just by betting on VO and the S&P 500.
So I think just narrow the focus and really lean into some of these QQQVO funds that we talk about.
And you'll be in great shape and you'll outperform the benchmark by a mile.
Especially at your age, Scott.
I mean, you're 26 years old, dude.
You know, I would also think about just copying what Robert just said.
Get yourself five ETFs, right?
Five index funds and get yourself five different stocks.
And if you dabble in crypto, maybe you get, you know, up to five there.
I only hold three.
Robert holds 300.
That's the fun thing about crypto.
But I think that's a great way to start.
right let's call it v o o q q q q vg t v t vt vt vt i those are the five index funds they're all going to outperform
and you know diversify your portfolio in a great way especially at your age five stocks i mean i'm not
going to tell you what single stocks to get i personally would make sure amazon's a part of that list
i'd make sure that invidia perhaps is a part of that list right maybe even sales force sales force can be in
that list palo alto networks anything in there really find yourself let's call it five to seven
single stocks that you, one, really, really understand the business. It's not one of these crazy
companies that your friend on Discord told you to buy and it's trading at 22 cents and he told
you it's going to go to $3, right? Not like that, which might be some of the red. You're
cleaning up out of your portfolio, Scott. But that's what I do. That's how I'd approach it,
right? Get yourself five index funds. Get yourself five to seven single stocks that you really
understand. Even the magnificent seven, if you want to just go after those. And then dabble in some
Bitcoin Ethereum chain link. Maybe there's a couple others that you really like. And that's what I
would do. That's what I would start. And, you know, the ones that aren't there, that's cool.
Take the tax right off, like Robert said. You know, write it off against your gains that you will,
I'm sure, also experience or write it off your taxes. I think you can do that up to $3,000 a year.
And you'll be fine. But dude, you're 26 years old. What should be the foundation of your portfolio
at your age are these ETFs and index funds. And only until you've got, I'm talking half a million
in these index funds, then you should be really starting to think, like, wait a second, do I go into
some of the single stocks, like let me do a little bit more research. But yeah, at your age and at your
portfolio size, I mean, I really think that let's call it 60,000, 70,000 of this 85 should be
invested into these index funds and ETFs. I love it. That's a great breakdown. Our next question
comes from Aaron H. Aaron says, I'm about to receive a $39,000 bump in my salary compensation
at my job. But I'm not yet maxing out my employer-sponsored retirement accounts and this extra income
would give me the optionality to do so. So here's my question. Should
I max out my employer-sponsored retirement accounts, or should I take the extra money and invest it into
taxable brokerage accounts? Robert, what do you think? You know me, I look at these 401ks and 403Bs and all
of these accounts as you want to go up to the match. Anything else on top of that, I would look at getting
into that taxable brokerage account, get it moving so you have the autonomy to be able to do
what you want with it, just like in the last question. You want to have as much control over your money as
possible so you can do what you want with it rather than what the company says to do with it.
So that's my opinion. I would get it into a basket of these index funds we talk about, have some
good diversity and be able to control your destiny without having 10, 20, 30 years go by and you
had no autonomy with your money.
And you know what we say, Aaron, match beats Roth beats taxable. So to Robert's point,
invest up to the match, everything above the match. I want you to obviously prioritize the Roth IRA.
I didn't see that mentioned here, but I'm sure you're doing it. You're a smart guy. And then beyond the Roth IRA 7,000 a year, we're talking about $39,000 here, right? Should go to a taxable brokerage account. You should put that money into the index funds we talk about. We want people to have autonomy over their investments because like what Robert was alluding to, you want to only go up to the match because let's say that you invested all, you know, let's call it tens of thousands. You maxed out this employer sponsored, you know, 4.3B or 401k that you're alluding to participating in here. If you don't have autonomy over that and they've got you parked in.
some terrible funds that have underperformed and, you know, emerging markets or target date fund this
or bonds and cash that, right? That's not what you want to be in. And, you know, let's call it you're
in your mid-40s, maybe even early 50s. You still have 10, 20, 25 years still to invest toward your
retirement. And that is not going to be doing well into these, call it, smaller underperforming funds,
right? You want to be able to have that money in your control to invest into the funds we talk about.
It doesn't matter if it's in a taxable account. Paying tax.
I think this is really important. Paying taxes is okay knowing that the profits you made to pay those
taxes were profits you weren't going to get to begin with if you had parked the money somewhere else.
And another thing everyone needs to be paying attention to is we talk about optimizing your money all
the time and we talk about broker fees and expense ratios and all this stuff is to realize this.
Even if you optimize your portfolios like Austin was discussing some of these lower performing funds,
target date funds or money markets or whatever they might be mutual funds even if you optimize for the
better two three four percent a year over 10 or 20 years you're talking about 20 30 40 percent more
of returns on your money because of the compounding effect over time and it's so important to
understand that because a lot of times we may be talking you go oh what's the difference in one or
two percent but over time it's massive and everyone needs to understand that math because it's so
important and could mean the difference between $100, $200, $500,
even a million in your pocket versus not in your pocket by optimizing and making
sure you have the best performing funds you can have in your portfolio.
Right there with you, Robert.
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Robert says I'm 23 years old and I live in an apartment with my girlfriend. We split all of our costs,
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I'm able to personally save anywhere between $2,500 to $2,500 per month to invest.
Now, at the moment, I've got $70,000 in a Roth IRA that's invested across V-O-O, VGT, and Berkshire Hathaway.
I also have another $30,000 in index funds you guys always talk about.
With that being said, how do I approach talking about money with my girlfriend and sued to be fiancé?
We're generally on the same page about money, but I want to help her pay down her student loans and begin investing toward
her retirement. Robert, you are a 23-year-old with $100,000 invested. Like, that's what I got from this
question, man. You should just be taken laps, patting yourself on the back. Like, oh my gosh, man,
I wish I was in your shoes when I was 23 years old. That is just unbelievable, dude. So,
okay, let's talk about how to approach this conversation. You guys said you're, you know,
soon-to-be fiancé, and that's really cool. Propose, get married, do all the fun stuff. That's awesome.
You did say, too, that you guys are generally on the same page about money.
I read further in your email, you guys budget together, track your spending, all that fun stuff,
which is really healthy.
I love that as well.
Because as we think about getting married, what I think a lot of people make the mistake of is they say,
oh, the husband does all the money or, oh, my wife pays all the bills.
Or, you know, they're the one that does the money, not me.
They just tell me what to spend.
I just do what they say.
That's not real healthy, right?
That's not the kind of relationships, at least not the kind of relationship I want to be in
when I'm married.
and I'm sure Robert A here doesn't want that type of relationship either.
I think the simplest path to wealth for married couples is a path where both people are on the same page.
Both people understand how much is coming in to the bank account, know how much is going out of the bank account, where it's going.
You guys have similar goals.
I mean, we made a whole episode about this, Robert, talking about how to have a good, healthy marriage with your money.
So, Robert, here's my answer.
If I were you, one, it seems like things are already going well, but a couple things I'd add here.
Show her your brokerage account and your Roth IRA and show her how you contribute what you're invested into so it can, one, inspire her and two, help her understand just how easy it is to over a long period of time make money investing in the stock market.
And then two, as it relates to student loans, you didn't mention your student loan situation.
I'm assuming you don't have any, especially with this much money.
But with her student loans, right, I think the only thing you can do there until you guys are married is help her budget, make sure that she understands sort of what that payoff period looks like.
how to pay extra on her loans, maybe help her understand the differences between high interest rates
and lower interest rates with those loans. But I mean, you guys are on the right track here. I mean,
all you have to do here is just continue talking about and being transparent with your money,
especially, especially if you plan to get married, right? If you guys are inching toward marriage,
that is something you guys should definitely be talking about. Now, I'm not saying combine accounts.
I'm not saying you go off and pay off our student loans. That's not what I'm saying. You guys
are not married. That is not something you should do until you get married or even consider doing
until you're married. But it's good to have these conversations because, you know, if she's got
maybe that savings muscle that you can help her sort of flex over the next six, 12, 18 months,
because you guys are talking through this stuff and think that's just healthy. So that's what I
would do. I would just approach it one day at a time, be very transparent, authentic, and
forgiving. I mean, oh my gosh, everyone has their own story, their own perspective,
their own experiences with money. And maybe your experience with money has been really positive,
Robert, right? Robert A, you're talking about how you've got 100,000 by a 23.
That's unbelievable, dude.
Maybe her experience is a little bit more negative, right?
Maybe her family was a little bit more paycheck to paycheck growing up.
Or maybe, you know, she obviously had to have student loans for a reason.
So be forgiving, be empathetic, but also do what you can to put yourself in her shoes and you
guys just work together.
All right.
I'm going to go opposite side of the fence here, Robert A.
Austin, you crushed that.
But here's my thought and you touched on it a little bit.
You're not married yet.
I'm going to tell everyone a little story here today.
A very dear friend of mine fell in love, had a fiancee, put her through nursing school,
bought her a nice use BMW.
He did the whole thing.
Five years.
She lived with him.
He put her through school, the BMW, the whole thing.
Within a month after graduating and getting her job, she left.
He paid over $100,000 in student loan debt, all of these things.
So keep in mind, until you're married, her debt is her debt,
and your wins are your wins.
Could you consider guiding her like Austin said?
Absolutely, you love her.
You should guide her.
But should you sign on the dot of the day of it?
line and take on that debt now? Absolutely not because you don't know what could happen in the next
year, two years during the process of getting engaged and moving further along in the relationship.
So please, for everyone listening, no matter where you're at in your relationship stage,
understand that because it's very important because you never know when things are going to change
or go bad or whatever and you just have to be careful. And you've done such a great job,
Robert A, and I don't want to see you get sidetracked taking on someone else's debt until you sign
the dotted line. Very important for everyone. You know, Robert A, I love that you want to help her and
you should help her. But to Robert C's point here, don't do anything that is, you know, going to set you
up for failure in the future. It just, you know, you don't combine these things until you are married.
100% full stop. Our next question comes from Jennifer Kay. Jennifer says, I want to ask your opinion
on a rental property single-family residence that I've owned for over 20 years in California.
The value of the property is $2 million and our equity is $1.65 million.
Our mortgage interest rate is 3.1%.
It's about $3,500 a month when you include taxes, insurance, and expenses.
And we have a long-term tenant who pays us $4,800 a month.
So I'm wondering whether this rental is a wise investment or not.
For example, I could take out the equity and purchase another rental or an Airbnb or even invest it
into ETFs. I could also sell the property, do a 1031 exchange into a larger asset, such as a
multifamily or even a small apartment building, or I could just sell it all in general and take
the money and do whatever else with. What are your insights? I don't know what to do. I feel stuck.
Robert, this is right up your alley. Let's hear what you have to say. Jennifer, very well-crafted
question. I love this. It's amazing that you understand the complexities and the options. So let's do
some simple math. The helock. Love the idea normally because you have so much equity tied up that you
can't do anything with and you can't grow it. But the problem is the math does a math right now with
helocks. In California, you're going to be 7, 8, 9% on that helot. And as we always say,
you can't out-invest high interest debt. Once you start getting up to that 7, 8, 9%, we consider that
high interest. So that's a tricky one. The 1031 exchange could work if you did the exchange into a
larger, more expensive property. But the other problem there is, is that you also have to look that
interest rates on that commercial loan are going to be, again, that six or seven percent. So again,
it's right on the fence. So in my opinion in this breakdown, you are kind of hand tied because of the
state of the market and the time of selling this. One thing that would help you consider what is the
right move is to go out and do the research really simple for you to figure out what is the average
capitalization rate where that property is located. Do some comps and figure that out because you have
to look that if let's say across the country it's three and a half percent, if the average capitalization
rate there is five, six, seven percent, then that gives you some ammunition to understand the best
strategy here because you are kind of stuck in a really difficult spot. You could take a million dollars out
in equity through a helot, pay the eight percent and maybe hit a home run and have a 12, 14, 14, 18 percent
turn on the new property. But if you don't, then you're going backwards because you're not going to be
able to cover the helock in the cash flow that you have from the property. So that money is going to have
to come from somewhere else. And you just have to make sure that the positive arbitrage of your
money makes sense in your favor in this equation. So very difficult situation. You're in a great
spot because you have all this equity. Now you just have to figure out the timing and the right
strategy to put that equity to work. Oh, what a tough question, Robert.
You know, Jennifer, another thing you could do, and it really just is your preference, right?
Do you want to have a rental property?
If the answer is yes, keep it and do what Robert said, right?
Figure out a way to get some of the equity out.
Maybe that's something you do this year, next year.
I don't know, right?
But like what you're doing right now, you're cash flowing about $12,000 a year,
which is a terrible yield on $1.65 million tied up slash invested into something, right?
it is not very good. If it were me, Jennifer, and I didn't want to have rental properties, right?
This is assuming you did not want to have the rental and you wanted the money, I would sell it.
I would pay my, you know, long-term capital gains on that 165 or whatever the profits is there.
I don't know what you paid for. Whatever. Let's call you to have a million dollars, right, after taxes and profits, all that fun stuff.
I would take that million and I could back to the question before, you know, if that is an SPYI, a QQQQQI, perhaps to Robert's
point, you could get a couple of different Airbnbs. And if you really enjoyed sort of this rental
experience, you could absolutely deploy that million toward a couple other places around the area
for you. You know, we even had a question a couple episodes ago about a woman wanting to build
an additional dwelling unit in her backyard. Maybe you could do something like that, right?
It really depends on what you want to do and what you want to take control of. If you wanted to
be completely hands off and you just want a passive income, SPYI and QQQI will do that for you.
you can make between 120 to 150,000 a year in cash flow from that million dollars, which is much
better than 12,000 that it is right now. If you wanted to own real estate, then you can take that
million and you could roll it into maybe a multifamily, you could roll it into maybe a couple of
Airbnbs, like whatever you want to do with it, right? But that's obviously a much more active income.
You have to actually take care of those things and run it like a business. So wherever you are in that
spectrum, just kind of have that conversation with yourself. What is passion for me? Is real
estate passion. And if it is, then you have a lot of options here. If real estate is not passion and this,
you know, 20-year single-family rental, maybe you inherited it from your great-grandmother and she gave
it to you and you never sold it, which was smart. And now you're like, man, I never really
signed up to be a, you know, a landlord. But now I feel like I have to be one. Like, maybe not, right?
Maybe it's not your passion. And you can take that money and do something else with it. But
that's the conversation I'd have with myself is like, what do I like to spend my time doing? Do I like
to be a landlord and do I love real estate? Great. You've got a lot of options here. If I
don't want to be a landlord and I don't like real estate, you have other options too to, you know,
sell it and do other things with the money. I love it. That's a great other side of the fence approach.
The bottom line is this is really what illustrates why most people, this is a great situation you're in,
but why most people shouldn't have their first property be a primary home that they live in?
Because you can build all of that equity, but it's dead money doing nothing for you until you sell it.
And you're in a situation where you have incredible equity and it's really underperforming
a mile of what it would do if you just took that money and simply put it into a few of these funds
we talk about. And then you have no hassles as a landlord. You don't have to think about anything
else. But that's where the key component is that capital appreciation. If you're in a market
where maybe the capital appreciation is 6, 8% a year, then it's a little bit of a different story
because you're building more and more wealth and equity for down the road. And you're still getting
that $15,000 in cash flow a year. So great question. Love the complexities of this. A little bit
difficult, but I hope this gives you some insight of some of your options. So we just did some quick
math. And if you look at your area of California, the capital appreciation is in that six or seven percent,
which really bodes well to your favor of having that guaranteed growth. And so keep that in mind,
this may be something you considered and didn't mention in the question, but it is that kind of third
leg of the stool of how this plays out from a mathematical perspective. What a great situation to be in, Robert.
That's some golden handcuffs if I've ever heard of them.
Everyone, thanks so much for tuning in to this episode of the Rich Habits podcast question
and answer edition.
As a quick reminder, we're hosting another webinar.
April 24th at 4 p.m. Eastern Time, we're going to be hosting a webinar all about direct indexing.
Direct indexing.
Yeah, that's the thing you've probably never heard of, but we're talking about it because it's
so important from a tax loss harvesting perspective.
What the heck does that mean, Austin?
It means if you're able to do this correctly, you will.
be able to save so much money on your taxes paid on the profits you've made in your portfolio.
So tune into the webinar. Come in. We're going to break everything down very simply. You got a
presentation for you guys. A lot of Q&A. Going to have some experts to come join us as well.
It's going to be a really great webinar and presentation to learn about direct indexing and how
important it can be for your own portfolio and optimizing your wealth building journey going
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