Right About Now - Legendary Business Advice - Fast Success From Fasting with The Panda Man

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Ryan Alford engages in a thought-provoking dialogue with Kyle Newell, aka PandaMan, exploring the depths of unconventional health practices. Kyle opens up about his unique approach to well-being, shedding light on practices like incremental fasting and the seemingly radical concept of urine therapy. Throughout the conversation, Kyle challenges societal norms, encouraging listeners to rethink health and wellness paradigms.Keynotes: Incremental Fasting and Mental Resilience (00:00 - 11:12): Dive into the nuances of incremental fasting, distinct from traditional intermittent fasting, and understand its role in building mental resilience. Kyle introduces the Panda challenge, guiding individuals through 48-hour fasts right from the start to instill confidence. Uncover the mental aspects of fasting, with Kyle emphasizing the importance of reframing hunger as a positive signal for fat loss. Explore the flexibility in drink choices during fasting, including insights into the impact of black coffee, tea, and sugar-free energy drinks. Navigating Challenges in a 48-Hour Fast (11:12 - 21:40): Identify common hurdles during a 48-hour fast, with a particular focus on the challenging Monday night around dinner. Examine the intricate interplay between psychological anticipation and physiological need during fasting. Gain practical tips for overcoming hunger pangs, with Kyle stressing the significance of staying busy to divert focus. Kyle shares profound insights into both the physiological and psychological dimensions of fasting, especially on Tuesday morning. Future Vision: Transforming Lives (21:40 - 32:15): Envision a future where holistic well-being and transformation touch the lives of millions, with the body serving as an entryway to confidence and increased energy. Recognize the continuous learning journey and the importance of sharing knowledge for future generations. Kyle shares his mission to leave a positive legacy and influence a paradigm shift in mindset regarding health and fasting. Connecting with Kyle Newell (32:15 - 38:35): Connect with Kyle on social media platforms (@PandaManOfficial) and explore ThePandaManOfficial.com for free downloads and a comprehensive fasting book. Kyle expresses his commitment to personally engage with those reaching out, fostering a sense of community. Wrap up the episode with an invitation to explore theradcast.com for full episodes, highlights, and additional content. Embark on a profound journey into alternative wellness with Kyle Newell, embracing radical health practices, and gain inspiration for positive transformations. Follow, like, and subscribe for more enlightening episodes on The Radcast with Ryan Alford. If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE.  Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding.  Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel  www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We have to eliminate willpower as much as we can. If you can rely on willpower, it's one of the reasons that traditional North American diet doesn't work. So it's black or white. You're either fasting or you're feasting. You're listening to The Radcast, a top 25 worldwide business podcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford.

Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. Hey, I'm right offered your host. We say if it's radical, you cover it, we cover it, and you're here to listen. And, you know, this gentleman hit my feed. A lot of people hit your feed on social media, on the gram. And kept coming, kept going. I don't know what it was.

The algorithm was speaking to me, I guess. I was like, I don't know if I was diet searching or what I was doing. I was like, how can I stop eating so much? No. But Kyle Newell here, the Pandaman. What's up, Kyle? What's up, Ryan? Thanks for having me, man.

Yeah, man. This is really cool to be here. Yeah, I'm so glad you can make it in studio. Welcome to G Vegas, as you call it. Beautiful. Greenville, South Carolina. Beautiful place, man. I can have to bring my family down here.

Hey, see? Yeah. I know. Hey, I need to get, I need to get Greenville tourism involved here as a sponsor. Yeah. Every what I bring to Greenville's, man, this is nice than I expected. Beautiful. Yeah.

It's beautiful, hidden gem. I know. So, speaking of hidden gems. The Panda Diet. I know you got the book. Coming out or already out? The book's out. The books out.

The books out. I started reading about it because the fasting stuff has gotten so popular. And I know there's a lot more to it. That's what I liked about. I think I see a million people like promoting the fasting. And I'm always like, and I've done a couple. We've all done them. But I'm like, I need something more full body, mind, spirit, soul, like whatever.

And I think that's when you hit my feed. And I'm like, all right, I like this guy. Yeah. This makes sense to me. Yeah. I hadn't done the one. A real-a-day thing. I know we're going to get into that.

Some of the core benefits of it. But, Kyle, let's set the stage for everybody. Let's talk about the Kyle Duhl story. Yeah, sure, man. So, where do I begin with that? Grew up, as we were saying before, I got three brothers. We're all close in age,

all born between 1980, 1985. I'm the second oldest. And playing sports throughout our upbringing, really big into sports fans, playing all pretty good athletes. My parents were great. still all great. I grew up in a very non-judgmental environment. Like my parents gave us a lot of freedom, but they taught us the values, right? So we were just good, kind people. So we moved to

New Jersey in the late 80s, and we've been in New Jersey ever since. And then coming up, when I went to college at university, back in high school, when we back up, playing, I gave everything up for basketball. That was kind of stupidly, I stopped playing baseball, stopped playing football. I was I want to play Division I basketball. So I developed a lot of discipline around basketball, 500 jump shots a day, making, at the time, an AAU team was a big deal. Now everybody's got them. Doing stuff like that. And through that path, I got into lifting.

I remember the first book I ever ordered in high, it was at the end of my, it was my senior year. I ordered this physical book from a bodybuilding magazine. It's called Big Beyond Belief. And it was all about training because I was getting really into it. and it just grew into a passion to the point where my senior year, I almost didn't play basketball because I felt so in love with the lifting. So I've been studying this for way more than half my life now on a pretty deep level. And then that kind of led to going to school, fitness management,

went to the University of Delaware. It was a good experience, but I didn't, what am I going to do when I come out with that? Did you play basketball? No, I didn't. I think I and Utica were two schools that had reached out that I could play at. But by that point, I was like you said, with the intramural, I'm good playing for fun. Yeah. You knew what it'll be forever.

Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And it came out, worked with Rutgers football, strength, and conditioning. So that was a really good experience. But again, at the end of that summer, I'm like, what am I going to do? Went back for teaching, health and phys ed. And while I was doing that, I was also competing in natural bodybuilding shows at the time. So again, just learning a ton.

People would always come up to me, ask me questions at, the gym, hey, what you're doing looks unusual. What is that? I had people asking me with my training way back in the day before I even, CrossFit was barely started. I didn't know what it was. And people say, is that CrossFit? I'm like, I don't even know what CrossFit is. But this is, I don't know. You tell me. At the time, it was crazy. But I took what I had learned. And then what I learned from Rutgers football, like a lot of those dudes were jacked. I'm like, okay, there's got to be a different way to train and just bodybuilding training. So I applied that when I would get ready for shows, I was training more like an athlete for the shows.

And then over time, my methods just kept growing. And I just kept studying. I'm always studying. I still feel like a novice with everything. So I'm just voracious with how I read and who I learned from. And I taught in the public school system from 2006 to 2012. And at that point, I resigned. I put in my letter of resignation because I had started my gym.

I started out of my car. Then my parents let me build something in the basement, the studio. but my wife who we met through teaching she was a teacher as well i had a really bad petal tendon rupture the that year i had pneumonia and we just realized okay you're burning out so i will train people before school go teach all day drive right back to the gym train people all night and this was five days a week and then saturday mornings and i wasn't sleeping because i was like man i got i got more to do so i put in a letter of resignation and when i put that letter in literally that weekend. I put it in on Friday. Hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey. And the roof got

ripped off my gym. And so I already have to let it. And I'm like, man, I took it as just a test from God that what are you going to do now? I said, I can't go back. So the gym was destroyed. I had to move spots. wound up going to a bigger spot, man, but I don't have my safety net of teaching anymore. Yeah. But it all worked out. And it just kept evolving. It evolved. We opened another gym probably about five years ago now in a local neighboring town. Well, the gym's called? Newell, my last name, Newell Strength. Newell Strength.

Yeah, so it's all small group personal training. And through that, it's met so many great people in with marketing. I probably studied that just as much as the training. Once I realized, okay, you can learn how to write, you've got to learn how to do direct response marketing. You've got to learn all this stuff, the branding. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's all part of it. Yeah. And I will say this, back to the roof incident. you wanted to wait into the water God said no you're going to the deep end son. That's exactly what happened when we looked at that day. You're like I'm waiting in I'm good

no you can diving in right in and then when they were showing me replacement units they showed me one that was twice the size I took my father-in-law he was a business owner and I thought he was going to be like I play it safe because again now the overhead is going to rent's going to double and all that

and he said hey go big or go home man he goes this is what you wanted boom sign the paper and just kept moving forward. And my wife spent, my wife, Devon, she's been incredibly supportive. She knew from day one that marched to the beat of a different drummer that she was going to be in for a different type of life. And so she resigned from teaching after our second child. So she'll help with the businesses. And finally this year, now she's just stay at home.

She's running the household, which I wanted. That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, man. Talk to me about Newell strength. Like, where did, I know you started the foundational stuff said everybody always. said, what are you doing when you're at the gym? But were there like foundational beliefs and the way you train?

What grounded all that? Yeah. So my philosophy from early on was his strength and conditioning. So it's not do a set of bench pressing and sit around. I always believed in, okay, let's keep a fast pace going. Let's, okay, if you're hitting a push or a chest day, let's supplement that while you're recovering from that and do something else that's going to keep your heart rate elevator or do upper lower.

So it was that type of training. And then different moves. working in different planes of motion. So having that influence of being a record football, seeing how J. J.B. training these guys. And then I would learn and I would apply and I would do that.

And it just became something unique as far as like farmers walks. I was doing those before anybody knew what they were. I would pick up the dumbbells in the gym and walk around the gym. What are you doing? I'm working on carries. What does that do? It was just stuff like that. It just kept growing.

So I called P-H-A-S-T peripheral heart action strength training. So I went the head pumping, the heart pumping, head to toe with blood. So that was the foundations of it. And just train hard. You train hard. How long did your workouts when you were doing those? When I was doing those, man. When I first started with that original book, man, I would spend two, two and a half,

three hours in the gym. Now it's efficient, man. We work out with the guys Friday morning and it's everybody catches up. There's a social aspect. But I believe in 45 minutes, you should be. If you're going hard, you should be smoked. I've always liked the staying active. So that kind of residue with me, like the, like you do the bench press.

They're doing something like in between, keep your heart rate up or at least mentally in the game. Yeah. Because for me, I'm distracted, ADD, whatever, you get your phone out. Like, that's my biggest thing is like staying in the moment. Staying locked in. Yeah. Yeah. And it is.

You could make a workout almost meditative when you keep. keep that pace up when you don't have the time to. So I like even working to the clock just when I'm working with writing something, set the timer. Okay. I think that's a great method for people to count down clock. Yeah. It creates more urgency. It does.

And it's both urgency and you both know when starts and knows when it ends. No one in the sound, man. So you got a patient, but also stay at it to know you've got an end in sight. Yeah. That's huge. Yeah. Having that deadline. Exactly. So you built the whole business kind of around those techniques and doing growth. So what, like three, four, five people, like small groups?

So yeah, when I first opened the first facility, at that point, it was, didn't have the systems in place, right? Like I was training people in, I started with one-on-one. Then I said, okay, I'm getting burnt out with that. Then I went to the semi-private, I called it, three to four people. Then when I moved to the facility, it was like, okay, I'm open from four to eight, show up our coaches. So I had to work out, and I would have 15 guys, and they're 20 guys. So nowadays, what it is, though, is we have a ratio of 6 to 1 clients to coach. So we'll have usually a max of 12 in a session. So we're still getting that personal training field. The coach could administer and make the changes as needed. But it's a great model for people because you're getting coaching, but you're not necessarily.

A lot of people don't want to pay $150, $200 an hour for a personal trainer. Yeah. So it's like that hybrid model. Yep. Still getting enough one-to-one to where they can tailor something to you. Yeah. You're also getting the camaraderie of a small group. That's huge.

It's a lot of things, which is a lot of things for people. That's huge. That team aspect. It really is. It's that social aspect. And, you know, one-on-one gets boring, man. When people are there and it's when you have other people working alongside you and they're trying to work towards a similar goal, it's big.

One-on-one to me, a lot of what I see is just therapy happening. And I'm no judging. It's just, I just see it, and it's a lot of talking and a lot of everything else. Yeah. It seems that way now. It's a thousand percent. And I tell. And that's fine.

But if you want therapy, you know, go out of the couch. Yeah. Yeah. They can talk to somebody. Exactly. And it winds up driving like a young trainer or whatever. They'll go crazy with that because they want to train. But then you wind up talking, like you're saying, 40 minutes out of the 60 minutes.

Yeah. Because people just want someone to talk to. They need an outlet, yeah. It was fine. Yeah. But so there, so we got to. two gyms. Where did the panda come in? So it's an interesting story. It was I think 2014 or so. So I'd resigned already from teaching. So I'd work from home during the days

and I'd go to the gym at night or the PM hours. But Ron Artecest. Do you remember Ron Arte? Oh yeah. Yeah. Chicago Bulls. Yeah. Bowles, Lakers, won a title of Kobe. And I liked, I always followed him at St. John's. I loved his style. It was more like the old school style, just tough defense. It's a little bit crazy. Is Ron the meta world peace? Yes. Is that the same?

Yeah. So he became a meta world peace. But for a little period of time, he became, I think it was the panda's friend. He named him so dad. And I was a fan of this. And he sent out, and I was on his email list.

And so I got new apparel coming out. And I said, I'll support him. I was like, that's pretty cool. Panda. So I bought his hat and I actually got a panda tattoo here. Because I started researching the animal.

Well, a panda, man. A lot of people. People thought it was a mythological creature to not that long ago. It's cool, man. It's like it was thought to be this myth. And then it got to black or white. You got the duality. A lot of people think it's this cuddly creature, but it will also rip you the shreds.

I connect with it. I feel like that connects with me if you called it like a spirit animal. So then that was that. And then when 2019 came around. So at the time, I just started fasting, like intermittent fasting, which was your 16-hour fast, which was a game changer from what I was doing to bodybuilding. I knew I was on to something, but I did that for about five years, 16 to 18 hour fast. And then when it came time in 2019 to do a fat loss contest with my staff, because we were participating alongside the clients,

okay, I got a step on my game. I was about 250 pounds, 16% body fat. So I wasn't fat, but I just didn't feel, I was too big. I didn't like it. My neck felt too big. I said, let me start looking at longer form fasting. So I did that. The whole first summer, I was doing seven.

72 hour fast every week, then one meal a day and just experiment. And then I started saying, okay, I could teach this to people. And when it came time to write the book, which I wrote like in the peak of the COVID hysteria, so what am I going to call this?

And I said, oh, the panda diet, but just popped into my head. And now as far as the panda man, when it was a little over a year ago, I'd lost my Instagram account by my personal one. I don't know if I had posted something that was offensive, whatever,

but it was gone. There was no, even a record of it. Yeah. And then when owner here had approached me, he wanted to start a media company. We kind of said, okay, what are we going to call this? And then played around with, I think I had come up with a temporary one, the Pandaman can, my initials.

We said, the Panda Man. So that's kind of where it came from, the Panda Man. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love the branding, too. Yeah. If you're listening, you've got to go watch this on YouTube, plug the YouTube channel in

so you can see the Panda gear. In these, you know what these were? These were. It looked like Panda. I just assumed it was. EWarks. Oh, yeah. Ever EWks?

Is that literally EWalk? Yeah, yeah. From Star Wars? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, pretty awesome. And then you've got the hat. This is our brand, you know, the Panda.

I like it. Yeah. Hey, man. Brain is everything. Yeah. Hey, it's called my attention. I'll be honest. Then I was like the substance.

The brain caught the eye than the substance of you. Yeah. Where is this? There's like this quiet confidence with you that resonated me with your content that wasn't. Some of the yelling, screaming guys and the stuff that everybody's got their own stick or their own way, you know, but I always liked that about you and then now in person. We were, you always been that way or did you have something to transform you into that way? I don't think so. I think it's, I think I've probably always been this way. I'm a big introvert

when we decided to go all in on the personal brand, me and my wife and then it just everything was synchronicity when owner reached out here. And but she had told me, said, you got to be more comfortable with being a celebrity. A lot of people locally look at me like that than I national TV with the news and all that. So I have a, but I was always, I don't like attention. Yeah. But I'm going back to the studying aspect, I'm constantly just learning. And sometimes you think that's normal, but I get, it's not a normal thing for most people.

No. So I have built up a lot of knowledge and then I experiment with everything. So I develop what I call direct knowledge, which is to me wisdom. So I'm like, when I teach my stuff, in the way it comes across, to me, it's just the truth. So I'm like, I don't have to yell to get that across. or whatever it is. This is the truth is I know it. And it's okay if you disagree with it,

but this is what I've come through direct experience. So I'm always trying to seek and acquire wisdom. And again, being the introvert, I was always shy, not loud or boisterous or anything like that. So I think I probably always been like this. I think the, I use the analogy, you're either a sponge or a faucet. And the faucet's always letting out too much.

The sponge is always soaking in too much sometimes. But you've got to like this good balance. So maybe you found the way to, you've been soaking it all in, but you're finding ways now to share it. To share it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's obviously social media is huge. And the teaching, I'm obsessed with because that's how I learned the best.

I think that's the highest form of learning. Yeah. So to me, it's learn, teach. Even before I necessarily even know sometimes all the answers, I'm like, so I don't know if you ever know all the answers. But I'm like, teach it now. I internalize it more and I figure it out more. What was it like you've got the gym? we get a lot of people obviously business and marketing show like scaling the company growing it

what are some of the trials of tribulations of doing that what are the learnings it's huge man still from going being the technician where it was just me and the passion was the training so i was doing that right that was me i had an intern when i opened the first facility and once i realized okay you get to hire people yeah you because you were in the business and not working on the Correct, yeah. Every little break I had during the teaching day when I was doing both was spent on the business. Yeah. But then doing all the technical stuff and then getting burnt out with all that. So the biggest thing starting to finish to now is managing people, hiring the right people. I remember the first time I had to fire somebody, man, it was nerve-wracking.

And one of my coaches, who still coaches me, as business coach is a great friend. He had walked me through it. And I remember that one piece of advice, he said, listen, as soon as you sit down with this guy, think of it to punch him, the face. Tell them right away. Don't make small talk. And then you can go into. And yeah, obviously, there's been many times since I've had to do stuff like that. But it's been managing of people. Because that's where the emotion comes in. If you take the emotion out of business, it's easy. Yeah. But it's hard to do with people. Exactly. It's hard to do. Has it just been an acquired skill or has it been something that's just over time you get better at it? Both. Yeah. It's acquired. A lot of investing in education and that stuff and coaches and masterminds.

And then just kind of letting whatever my natural leadership style is. Because it's the same thing. I'm not yelling at them. I expect them to do a certain way, do their job and be a pro, live by our core values. But I'm not micromanaging them. I think autonomy is huge for people. So giving people, hey, you do it. As long as it gets done the right way, do it however you want.

So you've got the two facilities. Yeah. Any plans or has there been about going broader, bigger, those kind of things with dual? Yeah, that's funny. it's when we opened the second one at the time so that was 2018 the plan was to open seven to 10 within a pretty tight footprint part of Pennsylvania and New Jersey yeah and then once COVID hit and all that I was like I don't want to do seven to 10 right I was just because I was saying I'm like man you got to manage more people everything I just didn't want to do it that's how the second one came

about like in hindsight again I probably would just kept a one if I knew that so right now there's no plans to We're thinking with the panda man and merging that with neural strength, like a gym without walls, where we can educate people and teach people and put them through stuff. And so as far as physical locations, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it would have to be the right person. Yep. It would have to be me not being. Now, I'm not very super hands-on in the day-to-day to gym now as it is. So it would have to remain that way.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Let's talk a little more about panda. Like, what are the, like, key attributes for pandas, though? like for the actual animal yeah so a lot of people ask me to play because that's what a panda eats i'm like no it's got pandas eat bamboo large which is funny because around our house we have a ton of bamboo just coincidentally when we move to that house so the key attributes as far as the reason that can i look at this symbology of it black or white right so i do something called mind mapping

which is the science of how your brain forms habits and a big part of that is clarity and we have to eliminate willpower as much as we can. Willpower doesn't work. If you're going to rely a lot on willpower, is one of the reasons a traditional North American diet doesn't work. So it's black or white. You're either fasting or you're feasting.

So I really lock in with my students on the word decision. It means to sever, cut yourself off. Any other possibility. If you leave the option to, I might eat, let me see how I feel. You're not going to succeed. So it's got, it's like a, you take like a meat cleaver to it, black or white.

And then the mindfulness, like the yin-yang, that black or white. I want you to enjoy your food's a drug, but we should be present when we did, not eating in a rush in a stress state. So I bring that to it. So that's the philosophy behind it. And as far as the mechanics, it's ancient biblical stuff that's been around. I'm just putting my own, my own verbiage on it. But it's longer form fasting is the premise. Right. So if you look at like my black panda, which is how I live, it's a 48-hour fast to start a week. And then I go one meal, day, which sounds extreme, but coming from the bodybuilding background, everything had to be weight, measured.

And I'd be doing these starvation diets. And I can never get as lean as I wanted to when I wasn't stepping on stage. So there's got to be a better way than this. And then experiment with the longer form fasting, researching, immersing myself in it. I found it. This is the way. So Monday into 48 hours. So let's just say it's a seven-day week.

It might be different for you. Yeah. Monday and Tuesday, we're not eating period. So it's Sunday night. Yep. Then I break a Tuesday night. Got it. So it goes 48 hours in between.

So Monday is the only day on a regular week that I'm not eating. I got it. So it's only one actual day, but it's 48 hours. 48 hours. And then you'll have a meal Sunday night. Correct. And then you'll have a meal Tuesday night. Correct.

Okay, got it. And then one meal a day. And I build within that when I take people through it, hey, if you want to have a cheat day or a cheat meal, totally fine because that was something I used to do big time when I was bodybuilding. And it's more of just a psychological outlet for people. And I'm like, don't worry about it. I don't stress.

I say, okay, I'm big into making sure people get fruit and their diet. But let's get your fasting time down first. You have a lot more leeway when you eat like this with what you eat. So you can enjoy the foods you want to enjoy too. It's not, oh, you can never have a carb. You can't do this and that. Stuff that doesn't work. Yep.

How big of the one meal is just eating as much as you want? It's a feast. So I teach a feast, man. So you tell you're done. Yeah, I've got a, me personally, I've got a voracious appetite. How many calories are in your one meal? For me, on the average one, it's between three and five thousand. Yeah.

But if I'm super hungry, like my appetite's built up. Like when I used to do those cheat days when I was bodybuilding, when I'd be in what's called super compensation state. Not throughout the whole day, though, I'd be doing it. I've done as high as 25,000 calories in a day, which I can't do, like, I can't do that normally. But it was when you're in this super depleted state, hunger hormones are all messed up and all this.

So you combine that with the natural appetite I already have. 25,000 hours in a day. You feel terrible afterwards, though. But that's one meal? No, that was before the fast. Yeah, that was before the fasting. That was an all day Sunday. I'm not going to think of how you do that.

Like, how do you get 25,000? That was all day eating, excuse me. Yeah. You're from us eating like every hour on the hour. Every hour, you're eating boxes of Girl Scout cookies. Or eating peanut bar or whatever. But eventually my wife was like, because I would be able to stay lean like that. and being in a deficit the rest of the week when I was doing the traditional stuff.

But I'd be in a food coma by 4 o'clock. Is this really worth it? I'm like, yeah, probably not. It was cool. I would look forward to those cheat days, but it was like not a good way to actually function. No. I don't know. Yeah.

What's in the, is it up to the person, what that one meal is? So you go 48 hours, you get the one meal per day. Yeah. Is it up to the person of what they want to eat? So what I teach, like, is in an ideal setting, if you're at your home base, start with fruit. I like to start with fruit, not at the end. What kind? Whatever you want.

How much? How much you want? And just keep in mind, it's your one meal. So you get too full on the bananas. Yeah. You're not going to have as much steak as you want to want. Correct. A lot of people.

Or whatever else. It knows that fruit, it's great for detoxifying the body. It's digested further down in the intestine. So I want to get it through the system first. It's got all the micronutrients. It's like a superfood if there was one category. And it hits those stretch receptors on the stomach. Right.

So all of a sudden, you are, okay, let me just go at a nice pace here. Don't have to gorge myself. And then anything that came from the earth, I said, like, again, an ideal setting. Veggie, have your potatoes, your rice, whatever, your protein source. And then what I do on a regular night, I do like soaked oats. I put oatmeal raw milk earlier in the day, cocoa powder, cinnamon, stevia. Put a little frozen blueberries when I have it. That's my dessert.

So I love that structure. And what I find with people and myself over time when you do this, you really start craving those types of foods. Yeah. Like you really start craving the good, nutritious stuff. So you want some, it's still some pretty healthy food even as much as you want. Yeah, but I have people that, well, eat pizza every night.

Do you have pizza or? Every night and they still get results. Yeah. It's because you can you're. Pizza and peach cobbler or. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Is it matter?

At the end of the day. Because you've got, it's only one meal a day. Correct. You've got the two days of fasting built in. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I would almost like it wouldn't matter. Because you're limited in insulin. You're going to get full.

Yeah. So, that's it. Whether you eat 3,000 or 6500, that might be a little more than you want, but still. You get full and you're already controlling insulin for majority of the day. That's what we're trying to do. So when people, because I'll get people on that flip side, well, I want to do this, but then I want to do carnivore. I want to still have.

You don't break it with any carbs. I'm like, why, why? So I can have them explain it. I want to limit my insulin. You already did that. So now let's take advantage of the anabolic effect of insulin when we eat as long as we're training. Insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body. Right.

So let's use that to our advantage to build muscle. To flood these nutrients into muscle cells rather than fat cells. So it's like this slingshot effect, I call. What time do you eat? So Tuesday night you're eating. Yeah. What time are the one meals? It's dinner.

It's always dinner. Yeah, that's what I recommend for people and what I do because of habit formation. That's usually when you can eat with your family or your social events. Physiologically, the best time of the day to eat would be around lunch. But again, how many people are going to form a habit around that? Yeah. So I like dinner. That makes sense to me too because like when I've done anything, I haven't done anything like this, just in full transparency.

But when I've done other diets or things, I'm not hung. I can go. not only that hungry when I don't know if it's a man thing or whatever I can go till two three o'clock practically anyway like when days I'm busy get busy in the morning

yeah I get hungry but like they start of there's nothing like the hungry at night yeah yeah and so I feel like that's doable to make it till 6 p.m. or whatever the time is to do the one meal

gives you something to look forward to that feast to get a huge dopamine hit you're you're gonna be much more efficient people in general if they're in that hunger state throughout today what goes on with the hormones and the hunger pass is quick and then you have that in the now dinner by that point our day should be pretty much hey i can relax i want people to eat in that relaxed state and that parismpathetic nervous system yeah and it's also when you have the downtime so if you have the downtime at night and you're starving that's you think about it more yeah and you said something that it really

resonated because like Steve Jobs with this way. We're with Apple back in the day. Steve Jobs, rest of peace. He liked to limit decisions. That's why he always wore the same thing. Yeah. Black shirt and the pants,

the slacks. That's why you always seem to the turtleneck all that. Because he took, he wanted to limit, he wanted no other decisions to take up time and mental energy, which is similar what you're saying, leaving it up to you to,

for the habits or whatever. It's similar principle. It's like one less thing to think about. Don't leave it up. to your will, your desire, whatever that might be. It's a thousand percent. That gray area is going to eat up so much mental energy when you don't make a decision.

In the willpower, that part of your brain is very finite. By the end of the day, that part of your brain is depleted. The frontal lobe, right, it's gone. So if you're relying on willpower because you gave, you didn't make decisions with all this stuff throughout today, you're going to be shot. You're not going to succeed. And you're at with people all the time.

Oh, I'm starting my diet. End of the day during the pantry eating cookies. They didn't intend to do that, but that drug of food in the emotional state they're in and the executive functioning is lowered, no chance. Yeah. And we, anything, that's what people, we try to overcomplicate things like with success and like other things. But you have to, you don't create discipline. You create habits. Yes.

Great way to put it. It's no. You just have to. You're like, we're talking about this show. All right, we're doing two a week. Like, this set up things that like, okay, they create. Yeah. The habitual things that we do as human beings,

because we are like, it's so funny as human beings, like we become and have a hard time breaking out of those patterns. But once you can get them set and remove, like, what you think you want to do, everything gets a lot easier. It does. And that's the brain is a pattern recognition machine. You know, it likes prediction and response. So we've got to give it that to move forward constantly.

And a lot of people, once they recognize patterns, utilize, and then you can create patterns. It's huge. Is the, so the, we call it the panda workout. Where does the workout come in on top of the diet? So I call it the panda method, right? All right. It encompasses everything.

And that's fast beast, which is your training. Yep. And then your feast. So the first thing I tell people, because I get people that come to me that when I do my challenges, they don't have any background working out. And again, thinking about habits or where they're at, just start walking. So I tell people you should do something every day. Walking is highly underrated.

So at least a walk. and start with 20 minutes and you build up, let momentum build. But then when we get into the weights, it's that full body stuff I do. We're pushing it. We're doing crazy long, like for me personally, like long sets of squats. Stuff that we're just getting a challenge. We do like a barbarian walk once it gets summer months where the guys go out. We got to as a team go half a mile with all this crazy weights and all this.

So it's just getting people to realize as far as the workout. I get a lot of people that want, so we're not getting. getting lean through the working out. That's a big myth. It's more for your brain than anything else. But then as far as building muscle, I get that a lot. And they always want to say, how am I going to eat that much to build muscle? They always skip over the training.

The training, if you want to put on muscle, that's the stimulus. Not what you're eating. Are you training all enough to force that adaptation? So with that, then you've got to apply different intensity techniques with the training. You've got to apply a higher, greater stress for the body to come back bigger and stronger. So I incorporate all that stuff. The biggest thing is you've got to be mentally engaged. So you've got to make sure that you're into what you're doing.

Yeah. Is the Panam method sounds like you have a lot of different outcomes. Like you could do it for lean, beginning lean. Yeah. Like you could do it for building muscle if you build in the right workout. Yeah. So it sounds like it's got a lot of variability. Yeah.

And it's physically, it has variability. Blood work's going to improve. You're going to see all this stuff. But that's just the tip of the iceberg, right? You have all these deeper health benefits, cellular autophagy. you're healing your insulin resistance. But to me, it's more of a self-development tool when you peel it back because now you've got not worry about it.

You've got to focus on this inner dialogue. Oh, I still got 12 more hours to go, but I'm feeling a little hunger. Okay, how do you deal with that? What do you tell yourself? So the ability to think about your thoughts like that metacognition is greatly enhanced when you're fasting long form. So that's like the biggest benefit. And then your energy is going to come up too for many reasons when you do this.

That's a huge benefit. And so it's, it gives people the confidence to take control. over other areas of their life too. What are like, I'm sure there's both foundational for you. They may be part of the PANA method, but some of the other things, like whether it's supplementation, whether it's cold plunges, other other like various things that you recommend that are being part of your kind of routine? Yeah, big time, man.

So the cold therapy is huge. That's become a big part of my routine. I built a cold tub at home. I have a box freezer. Went through Wimhoff's. I failed many times with Wimhoff's course. I'm 6'5, too. 260, brother. You got a box fridge that I can fit in?

You got a funny story about that. I'm going to go to the meat market. Yeah, you got to have to, man. I went to Lowe's to get it. I asked the guy, said, hey, this is going to be weird, but do you care if I get into the freezer? He said, what? I don't care. And I explained what I was doing.

So I had to do that. So, yeah, you'd have to definitely test it out first, man. I might just have to buy one of the pre-made ones. I don't know. Yeah, you could do that too. Yeah, so I got that. But that to me is huge. It's a love hate.

I hate getting in it. But it just feel fantastic. How long do you get in? I try to get two and a half to four minutes. Every day. Yeah, I try to do every day. I did a cold shower this morning because of traveling. Yeah.

But it's, I love the mental toughness aspect, but then you're getting the dopamine. You're getting metabolic rate goes up. So that's a big thing. At night, I take my mouth shut when I sleep. So make sure I'm breathing through my nose. That has come up a lot. We've been talking a little.

Oh, yeah, is that right? Yeah. Between the vague apoc acid, rag, Like a lot, the mouth taping seems to be popping up. Yeah. And it's, I don't know if I could do that. A lot of people, I'm like, okay, just sit in a chair first and just test it. Because a lot of people might get like a claustrophobic or suffocation feeling.

But if you're breathing through your mouth when you sleep at night, you're not good for your health. So I was like, this is an easy way. Medical tape. So I do that. And now my wife still laughs about it. And I always say, you want a piece? No, I don't need a piece. So I do that.

What else? I'm probably the most far out thing I started doing a little overreact. year ago is urine therapy, which a lot of people have no idea about it. All right. My mind, this swirling here on the rat, I told you it was fucking radical. We cover you here on the rat gas. Urine therapy. Here we go.

Urine therapy. So where did this come from? Where did I hear it? I was listening to his interview with this doctor. And he was talking about the vaccines at the time with COVID and the clotting issues. And I didn't mean my family didn't get him, whatever. But it's he's talking about the guy said, what can people do? do that got it for the clotting.

He goes, it's going to sound really weird. He goes, but there's all these compounds in your urine that dissolve clots. And he started going on about the other health benefits. I'm like, wow. And so I started researching it. I'm like, what is urine therapy? How does this work? He's going where I think is going.

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I started reading. But what I do, as soon as I learned something like that, I heard, I remember, I heard it that day. Next day I did it.

So first thing in the morning, pee in a cup. about two ounces or so. I posted on my Instagram on my story pretty much every day. People were like, you shouldn't post that. I didn't see that yet. I don't think that was a movie yet.

You'll see it, man. I do it to the Pinia Coladis on or the Opper and Hallister. Do you mix it with anything? No, you just do that. Can you? Can you get right? Yeah, I suppose you can. But look,

it's got 2,600 enzymes, hormones, nutrients, stem cells, already highly filtered by your body. So if you look at the research on it and what the most studied thing by pharmaceutical and medical community, They don't tell you it's urine because there's so many powerful compounds in it. If you look at skincare products for women, the number one thing in there is urea.

It comes from urine. If you look at the Indian snake charmers that dance with the king cobras, what do they always have next to them? Bottle of urine. Because it's fantastic at healing wounds if they get bit, but it's an anti-venom if they drink it. So it's like there's all these things. And it's okay. To me, I believe a lot of this stuff has been hidden from us intentionally. If you can develop even through fasting all the superior health, why isn't this talk?

I have different theories about that. So what exactly is the, what are the, I'm hearing the uses of it, but the, let's just be clear, we're drinking our own urine. Correct, yeah. Two ounces a day? About two. Two ounces every day. Yeah. And what are the overall from drinking it, absolute benefits?

So it's hormonally, I haven't, I should have done blood work before I started it to see, but I know it's a huge antiviral antibiotics. antibiotic, antiparacetic, antifungal. So those aspects. Now, when you drink it, too, your urea is going to go up slightly in your blood, which makes it even more potent as an antibiotic. So another thing I started doing. What's it? It'll vary, depending on which you eat.

If I'm in a longer fast, it's going to taste different. Sometimes it's almost Swedish, like sweet. Sometimes it's bitter. And something I started doing, I haven't done it. Is there any instance where someone shouldn't do it? Yes. If you want a lot of medication, if you're really not held, because there's going to be toxins in there then. You're just recycling some of this stuff.

If you're a big drinker and you're doing that, you're putting a lot of that stuff back into your body. Okay. So the better shape you're in, the better shape you're in. When you know you're leaving clean, you got everything cleaning up. Yeah.

Probably the best time to do it. Yeah. And just as a disclaimer, we make no medical claims here on the rat cast. It's just me experimenting. The pandemon Kyle Newell is sharing what he does. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. And that's what I do. I experiment. It's still. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense on one little. And I do, look, the vacate podcast is always, is all about alternative wellness. And our firm belief is that not only things have been hidden from us, pharmaceutical companies, all this stuff, at some point, lab-based things became good and things on the earth became taboo and bad. Yeah. Who profited from that. Exactly. Yeah. And so you're preaching to the choir on, on that belief. Sure.

No, I can't say, I think I feel like I've heard of the urine thing, but always wrote that one a little bit off as I said, it's not quite sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only way. How long have you been doing that? Since two November's ago, so over a year now. Okay. I'm still living.

Yeah. Because I've had people tell me, you can't hear that. Do you put, that was that built into the pandemic method? No, I don't like, even Nicole plunging all that. Yeah. When people, and it was, I want private coaching, eventually. we might work into that stuff. But I'm like, okay, get this.

Get your foundational stuff. Get your daily walk. Yeah. Get your fasting going. Then if they want to, and most people with the urine. The walking thing is becoming, it's starting to build up too.

Like 80 for solo, like you said you have hard, got the wall built into it and all that stuff. And so there's. Walk is so underrated, yeah. It's so good for you. It doesn't think it's just motion, man.

Yeah, it is. Like we're so sedentary with like our jobs and like doing stuff. Yeah. Go figure. If we move around some all day, and our long periods, it's good for you. Yeah. Our ancestors, all they did was walk around.

Walk, man. And it's really the only form of exercise that's going to lower stress hormones. You're going to get a lot of ideas when you're walking. So it's just like, why would you not do it? Almost most people can't walk. It's a low barrier for people to do something. Yeah. The American diet has got a lot of people on the couch or overweight or big time.

All of those things. But there's something to be said also, especially when you do it alone, I find a therapeutic that my wife now go and walks on vacation, things like that, which is a whole different experience. Alone, when you're walking, you're not talking. So you're thinking. Yes. It's like time to think.

Yeah. And so I think that's underrated. We don't spend enough time thinking. Yeah. Really? As fucked up as that is. I tell people that all the time. That's the number one important thing that we should do as human beings is actually take time to think.

Yeah, because without thinking, there's no discern. And without discernment becomes taking a lot of orders and just doing what the herd is. Yeah. And that's a problem at some point. It's a big problem. Yeah. Just the group think and just following along just because that's what, like people can't think for themselves. What are the success?

I know there's been success stories from the Pana diet, the PANA method, like what would have been some of the gratitude you've gotten from that from seeing the results you say? Obviously you have the massive weight loss, one, 100 pounds plus. That's all. Yeah. Clients and people that have done it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's always amazing.

That's always amazing. But it's, it's, my favorite ones are that dad that's in our age range that all of a sudden, man, they start looking a little better, feeling better, confidence comes back. And they start to say, oh, man, I've been doing it wrong this whole time. We're not optimal. And that just carries over to them being a better father. Yeah. Like, that's to me what I really want is I'm passionate about that, helping dads become better fathers. Yeah.

I know being, we can talk about your dad. Yeah. You got three kids. Yeah. You know, what are they just again? Eight, six, and four. So we got two boys and a girl. Okay.

Who's the youngest? Emma's the youngest. Oh, girls young. Yeah, yeah. That's key. I told you, I got the, there's four boys in my family, three brothers. So this was completely, and we had two boys. So this was new territory for me.

Any of your brothers doing the Panda method? Yeah, they pretty much all do it. Yeah, the youngest one I told you about. Yeah. He doesn't go as long. He might do like a 20-hour fast. And he's always, what about this? I'm like, just do it.

laid out for you. It works, man. But the other brothers do it. Yeah, they do their 48 every week. And then we'll hit, if you want to tighten up a little for a summer, okay, we'll hit a string of 72s. It's so simple, man. Yeah. And you still get to enjoy what you eat. What, I bet, that seems like a good way. I know you're not coaching it this way, but it seems like a good way if you're trying to drop weight quickly too for a week or two. Yeah. And you can drop like five, ten pounds. It's so simple. It's so simple if you had to make a weight for a division or something. And if you're putting your sodium in and all

that and if you've already been somewhat acclimated to some type of fasting, it makes it so much easier to get to that weight. Hey, I got to shoot. I got to look this way. Okay. What are some people, all right, I'm going to play the voice of the people listening. How do you make, how do you get into this where you make it through the fasting? Obviously it's the willpower and all that stuff we talked about. But what are the tips and tricks to get through the fasting? Yeah. So as far as physically, We call it the juice, right? So there's different salts you would put in your water, sodium, potassium, baking soda. So that's going to help you just feel great.

And most people are deficient. And that's one of your supplements, isn't it? Yeah. So it's my one body made it into a supplement as far as it's undisputed juice, which tastes really good, made with stevia, a monk fruit extract. Or you can make it on your own and just put the salts in there in your water. So that's one thing, right? That's going to fight hunger pains.

It's going to keep performance up. So that's really good. Now it really comes down to the mental. So people are going to feel hunger. And I differentiate when I teach people this, hunger and appetite aren't the same thing. A lot people think they're the same thing, right? Hunger can be signaled just by smelling food, right?

It doesn't mean you actually need to go eat, right? But I teach people, okay, your body fat, one of the main things I teach out to get is a food source. That's the primary reason we have it is fuel. Not the only reason, but the primary reason. So if we want to tap into that, we're going to have to go through these periods where we're not eating for a while, keep insulin low.

So when you feel hungry, hunger, you have to reframe it. This is the key thing. This is what fat loss feels like. Now you just flipped it in your head. It's almost a good thing. You seek out. Like I get a saying that, right? I get a little hunger pangang right now. I'm like, this is good. It gives me that energy, that primal thing that you've got to tap into. So it's just reframing it. That's the biggest thing is that. And then as far as making it through, incremental fasting is something else that we develop instead of intermittent. Normally, like in my regular panda challenge, I'd take people right into the 48 to build a confidence. So, okay, you're going to be fine. Let's go right out the gate. But then the incremental is,

okay, just take it 12 hours at a time. So you're not thinking too far out. And you get to that 12 hour mark, decide. Do I want to keep going? Can I keep going? And that way you can string together some pretty long fast doing that. But it's really that mental, this is what fat loss feels like. Me, I'm telling us, I'm building mental muscle every time I do this. Yeah. And then once it gets to a habit, it's easy. Can we drink whatever we want, as long as there's no calories? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, black coffee tea. You could do my monster, no energy, no sugar. Yeah, so the thing, I went away from, I don't do those that much anymore. Just because all the chemicals in it. Yeah. I'm like, okay, the liver's got to detoxify all this. But caffeine's okay. Yeah, yeah, certainly.

Yeah, big time. Because caffeine will make a cup of coffee, black coffee will. Yeah. Kind of kill hunger. It will a thousand percent. That will work out. It's going to really keep that appetite or that hunger limited. Yeah.

What's like the most strangest time point? Is it Tuesday morning or Tuesday at lunchtime where it's like... In a regular 48? The hardest part you've got to get over. Or is it Monday at 7 p.m.? I would say for most people, if they're doing that protocol, it's that Monday night around dinner because you have these entrainment patterns when your body expects food. Yeah.

Tuesday, by and large. Dinner's coming that night. Yeah. You kind of wake up. You're kind of, you're kind of, you know, that hungry maybe. And you're going to feel great Tuesday. Like most people are like, man, I don't remember ever feeling this great. Like the energy, the clarity, you feel light.

So it's the opposite to what people think happens. But as you get closer to dinner, that's when some of those hunger hormones are released because you're expecting it, right? The pattern is the pattern. It's all, man, I can't wait to get there. So that's where people will usually struggle a little bit. Keep yourself busy? Yeah. That's it.

Stay busy. Yeah. Keep busy. Where's this all going? and Kyle what's the future hold? The future holds that we have a vision of helping millions of people

that are struggling and to me again the body is just it's the doorway, it's the entryway get the body healthy that the body's your temple it houses your mind and your spirit so let's get that and then we can become more confident

we could increase our energy and I think it's just really transforming lives those million lives through through inspiring them, just sharing how I live. Right. I'm on the same path as everybody else. I'm just learning and I share what I learn.

So it's having that legacy when it's all setting down is, okay, people with what I teach with the fasting or the mindset, oh, I want them to look back and be like, of course, that was, but we didn't used to think that way. This is the way. This is the way to do it. And the main thing for me is setting the pattern for my kids too, that they see that I'm trying to achieve what I set out to achieve and giving them that pattern to model. Like, that's the main thing.

Yep. Strong, man. Where can people keep up with everything you got going on? They can go to the Panda Man Official on Instagram, TikTok. We've got a lot of followers there to YouTube, the Panda Man Official. And if they go to the website, the Pandamanificial.com, they can get some free downloads. They get an awesome fasting book, which breaks everything down. And if people reach out to me, always get back to them personally.

Yeah, man. Yeah. That's awesome. I really appreciate you coming in. We'll have to do a follow-up here later in the year. Yeah. I love that. It's always, I don't know, meeting people you're similar age and mindset.

It's always rewarding and I just can't appreciate it enough. Yeah, thank you, Ron. This has been awesome. We'll definitely have to do part too, man. Yeah, for sure. Hey, guys, you'll find us, the radcast. Dot com. Search for Kyle Newell.

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