Right About Now - Legendary Business Advice - Jesse Palmer - Former NFL Quarterback, Actor, Sports Commentator and TV Personality

Episode Date: April 19, 2022

Welcome to another episode of The Radcast! In this week’s episode, host Ryan Alford talks to Jesse Palmer, Former NFL Quarterback, Actor, Sports Commentator and TV Personality. Jesse, who grew up in a family of football players, discusses how he dealt with pressure during his first year in amateur football and then in the National Football League (NFL). Jesse also reveals some of his favorite quarterback experiences and insights while in the NFL. He talks about why he decided to pursue a career in broadcasting and how his experience on "The Bachelor" played a pivotal role in this decision. Jesse also describes how he felt when he initially got the invitation to host the said reality show, as well as the challenges he faced and how he overcame them. As a TV personality, Jesse expresses how he would like to be seen by viewers of “The Bachelor”, as he also shares the lessons he learned and the values he lives by while being in front of the camera a long time.  To know more about Jesse Palmer, follow him on Instagram @jessepalmer and Twitter @JessePalmerTV. If you enjoyed this episode of The Radcast, let us know by visiting our website www.theradcast.com. Check out www.theradicalformula.com. Like, Share and Subscribe to our YouTube account https://bit.ly/3iHGk44 or leave us a review on Apple Podcast. Be sure to keep up with all that’s radical from @ryanalford @radical_results @the.rad.cast.   If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE.   Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding.  Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel  www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

People either love Coach Furger or they hate Coach Furger. A lot of guys with have played for him generally love. Yeah, totally. I mean, back to 2004, nobody, no guy would have been done. 2020, now people are like, yeah, like the show's not, it's like, it's a huge part of pop culture. I have no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all. And that really sort of taught me, like, you've got to find whatever it is that gets you ready and just believe in it.

But I don't try to try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years. You're listening to the Radcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We're talking Bachelor today.

We're talking college football. We're talking Jesse Palmer. What's up, brother? Good, brother. Good being on with you. How are doing? I'm doing great, man. I, fabulous. I've been dying to have you on the show. I've been a big fan from afar, like all, you know, watching you on college play college football. I remember you playing. I'm old enough to remember that. I was going to say, you're definitely eight, you're dating yourself right away. Date myself. I remember your playing days and you do a hell of job with ESPN. And I was like, you know, and then you picked up the dang bachelor gig. I'm like, dude, I just got to talk to this guy. So I know you're, you're a busy man. So I appreciate it.

I'll get into it. Yeah, man. So I think by now you're getting to be a household name, but, you know, for our audience, I definitely just want to kind of get into your journey. You know, you can start it and tell it from whatever point you want, but I think you've got a real unique perspective and kind of a real, obviously, very unique journey and winding path. So let's start down that, man.

Yeah, unique journey. That's definitely a good way to put it to tease it. I never expected that I would be in the position I am today for sure. I grew up in a small town outside of Ottawa, Canada. It's called Pian. And my dad was a former professional football player. My mom was a model. I grew up wanting to be an NFL quarterback.

And I knew that from the time that I was seven years old. And it was an awesome dream to have, but it was kind of unique and weird because I was in Canada where everybody loves hockey. and everybody just talks about hockey. Football is really not that big of the deal. And I just worked and grinded and played, you know, I played every sport growing up. But my dad was my coach, and I got really lucky, and a big turning point in my life was getting a scholarship

to play for Steve Spurrier at the University of Florida. I got there right after they won a national championship in 1996. Danny Wharfill had won the Heisman Trophy. So it was really just a unique, unique time in my life. And fast forward four years from there, got drafted by the New York Giants, played in the NFL, and for about five or six years, and then started my career into sports broadcasting with ESPN.

That essentially is sort of what kind of opened up the door for a lot of TV opportunities as well. Yeah, I love it, man. A lot to unpack there. I am going to go down the Spurrier route for a second. So I went to Clemson, and so I'm a Clemson guy. and Spurrier was at USC when they handed Clemson like their worst five years in a row losing. And I'm like, God, and then now I love the guy.

You know, it's like a love-hate relationship. How is Spurrier is just, I don't know, as crazy as it seems or like, is it, I don't know. The guys that love him, love them. I mean, you know, it seems right. Yeah, well, that's, yeah, he's, that's a good way to put it. He's definitely, you know, people either love Coach Spurier or they hate coach Spurter. A lot of guys that have played for him generally love him. I mean, you know, it was such a unique time to be playing for him with the Gators because

he was just so innovative on offense. And that was a time where he was really sort of changing the game and with spread offense and aggressive play calling. And we took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points and won a lot of games. And so, you know, it was, and then, you know, he's such a unique character and personality as well, just because of his, he's like a walking sound bite. I mean, anytime he opens his mouth, it's on the front page because of, it's just incredible. He oftentimes doesn't have a filter, but that's what people love about him too.

Yeah. And so, you know, it's, he's definitely, he's a legend. It was so cool playing for a guy that changed the game that is a legend in the sport and was really sort of in the prime of his coaching. And the crazy part is, was, I think a lot of people could argue what he did at South Carolina after that might have been as impressive as what he did with the Gators. People sort of expected him to win SEC titles with Florida, but the turnaround that he kind of got South Carolina underway and how he kind of really took that program over to me, I think is just as impressive.

Yeah. No, I think 100%, especially growing up in South Carolina and knowing them and the SEC were, they were the dormat of the SEC until he got there for the most part. and, you know, freaking beat Alabama, beat Clemson five times five years in a row. Like, it was a little bit before Dabo got rolling, but at the same time, Clemson had a lot more legacy, a lot better players, a lot of the times. Yeah. I think it was funny.

What was surprising was just how well he recruited in state at South Carolina. Like, he was able to get guys like Alshon Jeffrey, Marcus Latimore, you know, obviously clowny. about these guys that came in and just, you know, the best player in the state and, and just impact guys that really sort of kind of set him up. And he's just one of these dudes who's, you know, throughout his careers has put guys in position to be successful and to go on to the NFL and have successful careers there. It's pretty amazing what he did. I agree. I agree. So, briefly, you know, like, what was, how do you define when you look back at the NFL? experience, you know, like, is it fond?

Was it just a, is it like a blip now? I mean, obviously it was five, six years, but like, is it, how is that in your memory banks now holding up or like, it's just incredible? Best years of my life. Yeah. I mean, when I say when I was seven years old, I wanted to play in the NFL, like that, I don't mean that like every seven-year-old kid says that. Like, I was absolutely obsessed with football.

I had like 14 posters of quarterbacks in my bedroom. I had this massive poster of Joe Montana on my ceiling that I would look at when I went to bed. I mean, I ate, breathed and slept football all day every day. At Miami Hurricane rubber football, but I packed in my knapsack. I took to school every day to throw around. I was like the only kid playing football because no one else wanted to. You know, when I looked like the day I got drafted by the New York Giants was such a magical moment because all the hard work, all the sacrifice, and really just.

being grateful and thankful to all the people that helped me achieve that and get there. I mean, it was really, really tough odds for a kid from the PN, Ontario to end up getting drafted and then end up starting games in the National Football League. I would have loved to have had Tom Brady's career. There's no doubt about it. But the thing is, when I look back on it, man, I got to do something that so few people ever did. And so I sort of look at it like I lived my dream. I did it. I achieved my goals.

And everything else that has happened since then is literally just icing on the cake. I don't have any regrets. I'm not resentful at all. I have a lot of buddies that played football that had really bad breaks. They got hurt. They were talented guys. Made bad decisions. Got hurt.

Life happened. And they couldn't pursue their dream of playing in the NFL and years and years later. People really harbor that kind of stuff. Yeah. And it just kind of sticks with them. It sticks in their gut. And it just affects them. And I totally get it.

I understand it. I was so lucky to be able to avoid a lot of pitfalls, injuries, life, whatever it is. So I've had the opportunity to have those five, six years in the NFL. Dude, those were the best days of my life. And when I was starting games, I was getting a crap kicked out of me. But honestly, dude, I would do it all over again in a millisecond to be on the field again with the guy. because it was that that's the only thing I ever wanted to do since I was seven years old. So I'm internally grateful to so many people and to the experiences I had.

I love it, man. I'm going to make this observation, and I want to get your opinion. Like, there's something about you, like, when I see you on television, I'm talking to you now, there's a joy and a happiness. And, like, you know, some people, you feel. like they carry the way to the world, they have issues or whatever. And I think it may even be polarizing maybe for people with you, because I always just sense, and I've always liked this about you, there's just kind of like this, I'm in this moment and I'm enjoying it and I'm a happy

person. And I don't know, I've just always respected that about you. And the more I talk to you sitting here, I'm like, it feels real. Like even like, yeah, and like, I don't know if you've ever talked about that, but like, I don't know. And I don't know where that comes from, like, just, that joyous spirit or happiness, you know? Dude, you're the first, you're the first person that's ever actually asked me that. That's a great question, man. I appreciate it.

I try to think of myself as being a guy that's in the present. Yeah. And I try to stay cognizant of that. And, you know, it might have to do with playing football all those years and just listening to buddies and teammates always talk about what it could or shoulda. Yeah. I shouldn't have come to Florida, man. I should have gone to South Carolina.

Carolina, I would have been a starter and I'd be in the league right now if I'd done that. If I didn't come here, I wouldn't have torn my ACL. I should have never married that girl. If I didn't do that, I would have had this time to do these things. And on the flip side of that, people always just so worried about the next contract, the next, you know, what was happening way down the line. And it just seemed so stressful to me. And I wasn't even the one saying those things.

Those weren't even my thoughts, but just being surrounded by all that, that fear all the time and that negative, I don't want to say negative energy, but the nervous energy. That's a good way to put it. It was draining on me. And I just felt, I think, happiest and the most comfortable when I just really thought about the here and now. And at ESPN, like when we're in studio and we're doing a half time, I'm just really trying to enjoy that moment and that half time. and I'm not worrying about the one hour long college football final that's going to go live at 2 a.m. That we're all going to be dreading because we've been away for 15 hours. You know, it's just trying.

You know, I guess people have told me that's a very Buddhist way of thinking about things. And I'm not a Buddhist. It's just how I sort of have tried to compartmentalize things because I think our lives can at times seem like there's a lot going on. And it'll give you that anxiety. I mean, I don't even have kids yet. I can't imagine someone like, we were talking before we started. You've got four boys. Dude, I can't imagine you having to think about balancing that and your wife and your kids.

And now your podcast and your job and your family and travel. Like, I don't know how you do that either. You must be the same. I'm wired very similar. And I guess I don't know. You kind of recognize it in yourself when you see someone else. But I've always admired that about you because I've always felt like that was true. I was like, but until I really kind of have this conversation and I'm hearing you talk and I'm like, you know, it's one to one.

I'm like, okay, that's not a paint. That's not fake. Like that's real. Like, and I appreciate it, brother. Yeah, man. And so I really appreciate that in you. I think there's just so much, I don't know, kind of too far ahead and maybe not in the moment and a lot of negativity. And I feel like I've just never sensed that from you. So I appreciate that. So hey, man. So let's, let's, Let's talk a little bit about we talk, you just brought up some of the college football stuff. I mean, that's coming up. I mean, it's got to just remain a passion. I mean, like, you're great at it. You're good at calling, you know, play by, I mean, you do both color. You do some color too, right? Color and play by player.

Yeah, I mean, I used to do color and studio for a while. And then there was, there was a while there, too, where I was calling two games a week for three years. So Brett Musburger and I were doing the SEC network together. Yep. And then I was doing Thursday night football, traveling sort of all over the country. It was a lot. But kind of like you said, I mean, if you really enjoy what you're doing, like, I love football. And I love college football.

Like, I love college football. Dude, like, again, not to keep going back to Canada, but like Canadians, obviously, you know, all my best friends are there. I love them. They have no idea about passionate fan bases and football. They don't know about those clips of tigers. I mean, like, I always tell them they're like, dude, Montreal Canadian Toronto Maple Leaf's best rivalry in sports. And I'm like, it's a great rivalry. But you really should at some point in your life try to get to Alabama LSU or try to do like, if you can see like, yeah, like Georgia, Florida or one of these games, Clemson, South Carolina.

Yeah. If you can go down and see that, it's just a total game changer. And when I lived it for four years, it was an indoctrination into a religion. that I never even knew existed. And I just immediately knew that I was home. Like when I left NAPN and I showed up in Gainesville, Florida, I knew I was home because everybody loved football. They wanted to talk about it all the time, just like I did.

And having the last 15, 16 years at ESPN to do this as a job and get to travel to go to Memorial Stadium at Clemson, go down to Bryce Williams Stadium. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing to get to do all that. And then talk about it and just, and be around passionate people. I just love it. Yeah, man. Is, uh, is there a moment that sticks out?

I mean, like one of your best moments. I'm sure you've had a ton now, but like, whether it was at a game where the energies is so high or, I don't know, maybe in studio, I don't know. Is there, is there a, is there a moment or two that, that are, that are standout at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's funny, man. It's funny. You can think back and, you know, I remember so many games and amazing environments that I was in at the time. There have been a few oh, crap moments, though. The first was when I was, I called my first game with Brett Musburger. He's such a legend. Oh, yeah. And he's a guy that's called, he's called so many big games in college football in the

NFL. He's been to like Ali Frazier. He's done so many different things, Olympics, But we were in South Carolina doing a Texas A&M South Carolina game. And the broadcast started and the place is going nuts. And they're playing Space Odyssey. The place is absolutely freaking out. And all of a sudden he comes on and you hear the classic, You are looking live. And I had this old crap moment where I just froze like,

oh crap, like I'm in the booth with Brett Musburger about to call this. game. How cool is that? And then, you know, there was him and I called an Iron Bowl. We did a Bamah Auburn game, uh, which was incredible. Him and I called Rose Bowl, which I mean, I still, I still can't believe I did that. I mean, so, it's, yeah, it's like stuff that when I started at ESPN, I mean, I was just, you, you could have thrown me, my first game I called was rice versus Utep and it was the greatest thing of all time. Like, it was, it was the greatest thing. You're definitely a junkie. If you told me that down the road I'd get a chance to be in Pasadena, Rose Bowl with Brent Musburger.

I mean, it's amazing the journey and how lucky I've been, honestly, because I just, I don't take a second of that job for granted. So, well, and it's funny, like every college football nut, myself included, goes, damn, that'd be a dream job, you know, like, I mean. And I'm like, and it's never a sexy, like you said, 2 a.m. stuff, you get tired. There's always stuff that's, it's a job. People forget that. But damn, have your passion and your work come to life. And you got to remind yourself, too, there are a lot of people out there that would slit your throat for your job. Oh, yeah.

Like, I know we all go through things. Like, when we have a job we really love, and sometimes it gets tough like you were mentioning. And all of them do. No such thing is the perfect job. Yeah. But it's in those moments that you really do have to sort of remind yourself. don't take it for granted because there's somebody out there who's very, very hungry that wants your job and they'll do anything to get it. And so it's a good reminder, I think, for people

sometimes when you sort of get in tough spots. What do you think's attributed to your longevity with ESPN? Like, do you, I mean, you're easy to work with, I'm sure, but like, you know, are there things? Because it's kind of where I was wanting to go like this nature or nurture thing with you man i can't quite put my finger on it like you know both your joy in doing things your attitude but you know i'm almost kind of getting at what makes you successful while also asking you know that longevity is not easy in the sport yeah described yeah i mean for me i mean i just this this kind of goes back to playing football it's like i was i just work really really hard at and i study a lot i watch a lot of tape i watch so much film every year i've got just books and binders of

notes that I've taken watching teams. I put a lot into it. And I think a lot of people that do this job, everybody sort of has their own, their own path and their own way that they operate. Some guys are great at just not studying and just kind of showing up and watching the game and just giving it to your raw and live. I sort of look, you know, I do it the way I used to play quarterback where you watch film, you study the opponent, you do it for a week, and then you're able to sort of take everything that you've studied and you've got in your head and you sort of kind of spit it out on game day with respect to what you're seeing. So I hope part of my longevity has to do with the product that I'm putting out.

And a lot of that really is preparation and really hard work. I'm not the guy that just kind of shows up and wings it. And I hopefully, hopefully for the fans and the viewers at home, hopefully that comes across. No, it does. I always feel like you're like over prepared. Like it does come across that way. almost like, again, it's a compliment, like robotically, not because you're a robot, but because I'm like, the detail.

Yeah, I'm like, yeah, it's there. I remember, I remember, I remember, like, playing for Sean Payton with the New York Giants, and I remember, like, he would grind, he was like a John Britton disciple who would grind, you know, all hours of the night. We'd be in our quarterback meeting Friday morning. Sean had the biggest eye bags. He was crushing dip. He had, like, a coffee.

He was like double fist in coffees and he was going through it. And he would put so much work into our game plan. Like our playbook for that week was huge. And we would lose a game and be really disappointing and just put up six points and just all like 160 yards. And I think to myself, like, man, like, how's he going to change? Like, obviously, that was not a good outcome. We lost the game. That was embarrassing.

How is he going to change his preparation the next time? And to his credit, he never did. He just trusted the process. He went back in the office at 4 a.m. on Sunday or on Monday and just started the whole thing again, trusting that in believing in what he was doing was right. And that really sort of taught me like, you've got to find whatever it is that it gets you ready and just believe in it. And I have good days in studio and I have bad days in studio and I have good days in the booth and I have bad days in the booth. But I don't try to try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years. Yeah. I think it's good for people to hear that.

Because, dude, man, you look like you got it all together. You're good looking guy. You've been on The Bachelor, which we're going to get to. And it's like, but no, this guy is busting his ass, working hard, preparing, and it doesn't just get handed. It's like hard work. And I think it's good for people to hear that from you because I think there's just a some, you know, I mean, you know you deal.

I'm sure you've dealt with that in your life, you know? Oh, you got it easy or something, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, I mean, listen, listen, no doubt about it. And I tell people this all the time. Like my career at Florida and playing in the NFL and being on The Bachelor, to some extent, did that help me land ESPN? Absolutely, it did. Of course it did.

Yeah. But once you get there, what do you do with it? Because we've also had a lot of, we've had NFL Hall of Famers at ESPN that got a job because of that. But they didn't last very long because they didn't, because they didn't work very hard. Yeah. And at the end of the day, it's just, you know, it's your, it's your, it's your, it's your resume. game tape, your film, and what you put out on camera, the ESPN, and studio and in the booth, that that is your resume. And it speaks for itself. I think it does, brother, because I've seen

the turnover and, and, and, but you're a mainstay with college football, hopefully for a long time. Let's talk about the bachelor. Let's talk about it. Uh, you were the bachelor and you're the host of the bachelor, you know, replacing Chris Harrison, who was there for 20, I don't know, the guy looks our age or my, your age. I don't know how old you are. How are you 40 yet? Are you getting there? I'm in there. You're in there, getting in there. I'm in there somewhere. We're in there somewhere. But Chris Harrison looks, you know, whatever, but he's done the Bachelor for 28 years or whatever.

So you got to follow him up. I think you've done a great job. But I don't know, just talk about that Bachelor experience. What's that been like? Yeah, it's been wild. I mean, going back to 2004, when I became The Bachelor, that was kind of this, that was this amazing opportunity. It's funny. I've always sort of been a guy that just kind of tries to take up. opportunities and make the most out of them and just kind of have fun with again kind of being in

the moment not worrying about what the repercussions are of it and so you know I'd be lying if I told you that in 2004 I knew what I was doing if I wouldn't believe you if you did say you did if I had said trust me like I'm going to do that I'm playing in the NFL right now I'm going to do this job and in a couple years this is totally going to open doors for me in my broadcasting career i had no idea in 2004 that i wanted to be on television at all so you know that whole thing happened and with beyond a shadow of a doubt i don't know i don't know if it really helped me with ESPN but it definitely helped me with food network with good morning america and obviously being the host of the bachelor now years and years later daily mail and some of these other other shows that i've been associated with

It has been so cool this year coming back years and years later to be part of the franchise again. And the amazing thing has just been how much bigger the show is now. Like, dude, when I did it in 2004, reality TV was like a brand new thing. And I remember being in the locker room with all the guys in New York Giants like Michael Strayhan, Tiki Barber, Amani Tumor. And I'm having to like explain to them what reality TV is. And then also what The Bachelor is. What is that sweet? You're going on a reality show to get a date?

Is that kind of what you're doing? Like it's a little bit more than that. Like you're going on. You're hopefully going to get married. It's all on reality TV. And explain all that. And then today, to fast forward, like the budget's obviously way bigger, obviously. The travel's crazy.

It's still the nuts and bolts are the same and the concept of it is the same. But the fans and Bachelor Nation, is just grown by leaps and bound. They've multiplied it. I can't think of another show that has a fan base so into it and just so, so emotional about it and so invested in it. It's kind of like it's like a Clemson fan base or an SEC fan. That's what it feels like. Yeah, right.

It's just they are so passionate about it. And that's, that's been really, really cool to sort of be back part of that. Yeah, man. And I think you've done a good job. It's a, it's a rabid fan base. I mean, and I'm one of those, it's a, I don't even call it a guilty pleasure. I don't know why as a man, we feel like we have to say guilty pleasure and we say we like watching The Bachelor. But my wife has loved it forever.

So she kind of got me on it. And then like, now we enjoy it. So it's like, I don't really care. You know, and I think guys are like a shame, but you know you're watching it. Yeah, totally. I mean, back 2004, nobody, no guy would admit that. 2022. Now people are like, yeah, like the show's about, it's like, it's a huge part of pop culture that everybody's girlfriend or wife,

watches. So on Monday nights, you're right there. I was talking to Kirk Hurstreet to Herbie the other day. I mean, on Monday, he's texting me throughout the episodes as he's watching it too. So it's like, whether we're admitted or not, we're all doing it. Oh, yeah. Exactly. What's been the, and I know we've got to wrap up here, but what's, what's been like any shocking moments or holy cow moments from the season? You know, like, I know there's a lot. There have been so, man. Well, this, this year has been absolutely. This year has been crazy. Like, this is not what I signed up for. I thought I was coming into this thing. It was just going to be like, some kind of formula. A seven iron, like a five iron. Yeah.

Keep it in the fairway. Just kind of like, yeah, like, Platen's brought out like his driver on every, like he's just taken, he's taken dischambo rips. And like just things are, like balls are spraying. It's been, it's been a very emotional roller coaster. This thing has gone off the tracks a few times and we're at a point right now in the show where we're coming up on the finale next week Monday and Tuesday live on after the final rose and we don't know how this ends like we were we were shooting we were shooting everything out in Iceland back in the fall and I mean I left I left set thinking okay I know how this it's over and I know what happens and there is so much chaos and so much drama that is just, as everybody has seen, has just happened in Iceland.

And it's going to come up. There's so many questions that are still unanswered. And we're going to get the answers to all of it finally live on Monday and Tuesday. And I can't wait. That's going to be my oh, crap moment, Monday and Tuesday. It's crazy. You know, there used to be these unspoken rules on The Bachelor. What they did, what they didn't do.

The last few years, it's been trending towards this. There's no rules. There's no nothing. like and it's all kind of in this season's been like the epitome of that right i know platon's forging his own path man he's doing things his way yeah and uh it's it's led to a lot of a lot of drama and now he's going to have to deal with the the consequences and we're going to see how he's able to sort of navigate the situation that he's got himself in i agree man um is it nature or nurture for you man is this all like is your parents just just just raise you well

or you just built this way? You know, man, I mean, not to get all Freudian. Yeah. It's like I, listen, I was very, very lucky. I had two incredible role models and my mom and my dad. They definitely instilled a lot of discipline in me, a lot of work ethic, and a lot of gratitude and appreciation growing up at a very young age. And I think staying close to them throughout my entire life and having the messages reinforced

over and over. Yeah. I think has definitely helped a lot. And I think trying to be around like-minded people. And, you know, we talked a lot about my teammates back in the day. And football is a funny thing. It's like, like college football especially, there's like 120 dudes in the locker room.

And there's a lot of guys. You got to be careful who your circles are. Everyone's, every football player's got kind of a tiny circle. You got the team. You got the offense. You got, you know, but you get like four or five dudes, different positions, whatever, that you kind of, to run with. And I think you've got to be careful who those guys are. I've always tried,

I was always trying to make sure they were positive people that, that were appreciative of what we were doing and loved what we were doing. And I think, I think family and I think my, my circle, my teammates and my buddies, I think are, and my wife, Emily's, is really the biggest reason. I think all those hold true and everything, not just sports and for you. I think, uh, keep your circle small and, uh, right. Yeah, that's it. Hey man, last question. Do we know, is this a continual thing with The Bachelor? Is it just contract by contract?

Or do we know if you'll be back and you say otherwise? Because we're in such a mess right now. I'm just trying to get my guy to the finish line Tuesday night. I'm just trying to get him. I didn't think we're going to be here. But I got to help Clayton out. I got to get him to the finish line come Tuesday. And then I guess we'll see from there.

I will say this. I really have had an amazing time doing this. I thought it was going to be fun. I've actually enjoyed this more than I even expected I would. So I've had a real blast doing it. So we'll see what happens. That's great. I think you've done a really good job.

Last thing I want to say, because I didn't know because you're kind of, you're charismatic guy and you've been the bachelor. And I was like, how's he going to be Switzerland? You know, because that's kind of what Chris Harrison, like his greatest attribute was he was so switched like you know and i think that's why you'd respect him and i was like how is jesse going to do it's not because you're like arrogant or you got to be sending her attention it's just more like you're that guy and i was i think you've done an admirable job of kind of finding that neutral zone so i'll give you telling the line yeah i appreciate it dude yeah i've tried i've tried to

not make it about me it's like i don't want to be like the old uncle jessie who's like back in my day i would have done this or yeah this is what you need to say i just like this is for This is Clayton's, this is his game. This is his deal. He's got to figure it out. I'm sort of there to try to keep him. I'm trying to give him the seminar as much as I'm holding it for him. I'm like, dude, just lay up.

Yeah, lay up. But, you know, at times he's swinging for fences. Jesse, I know everybody knows probably where to find you, but where do you direct people when they're wanting to keep up with you? Oh, just Instagram, Jesse Palmer on Instagram and Jesse Palmer TV on Twitter. It's pretty much it. Yeah. Hey, I really enjoyed this.

I hope we can do it again down the road and we'd love to stay in touch. Absolutely, brother. Thanks so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Hey, guys, we really appreciate Jesse Palmer. Go follow The Bachelor of the season. If you're listening to this, the season's probably already over. But guess what?

Jesse's still out there. Go check him out on college football. He's great. We really appreciate him. You know where to find us? We're at the Radcast.com. Search for Jesse Palmer. You'll find all of the content from today.

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