Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Ashley Parker Angel and Bobby Klebanoff - Founders of High Level

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

Welcome back to The Radcast hosted by Ryan Alford! Our guests this week are O-Town singer Ashley Parker Angel, and his business partner and cofounder of High Level, Bobby Klebanoff! In this episode Ashley and Bobby share their success stories, as well as some lessons taught through failure. You can find Ashley and Bobby on all social media platforms as well as at livehighlevel.comInstagram: @ashley_parker_angel, @bobby_klebanoffTwitter: @parkerangelTikTok: @ashley_parker_angel If you enjoyed this episode of The Radcast, let us know by visiting our website www.theradcast.com. Check out www.theradicalformula.com. Like, Share and Subscribe to our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/RadicalHomeofTheRadcast or leave us a review on Apple Podcast. Be sure to keep up with all that’s radical from @ryanalford @radicalresults @the.rad.cast @christinaroseyasi @nick_weaver   If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE.  Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding.  Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel  www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford. 

I feel really grateful for my past and I feel really grateful that happened because it was literally a one in a million slip on a banana peel and one of my very first auditions just turning 18 and I booked it. But these are the scars of an entrepreneur. I don't believe it in failure. I like the concept that FAIL F-A-I-L stands for a faithful attempt and learning. He was the biggest promoter of get on YouTube now because YouTube is going to be the next big thing. And I honestly, I slept on it. You're listening to the Radcast. If it's radical, we cover it.

Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey, guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We're talking music today, talking acting. We're getting high with High Level. We got Ashley Parker Angel and Bobby Klebanoff. What's up guys? What's up? Great to be on. Hey, co-founders of High Level. We're going to talk all that backstory. It's good to have you guys. I'm excited. We're going to broaden the horizons here from just O-Town.

You know, one of my co-producers is like, hey, you need to talk to Ashley Parker Angel. And I knew the name like you've got you've got probably one of the greatest names ever for like show business and uh and music music and acting and everything else and i'm like oh i remember o-town oh yeah i was like i think i was a freshman in college i don't even remember what you know every party playing some some boy band music you never know what was gonna happen so so excited so what's happening guys we're out in vegas yes yeah yeah out in vegas now and yeah thank you for the compliment that that name growing up was brutal in school by the way but

what i made up for it later in entertainment and yeah yeah, O-Town was such a great start. I mean, you couldn't ask for a better launch pad right out of high school. I mean, you know, it was literally the summer I graduated. And, you know, we were just talking a little bit before the show started. It's interesting because O-Town was also this reality television production at the time that, you know know the major networks hadn't caught up to that yet so you had survivor and then you had making the band at the same time and it was the whole thing honestly was an experiment i mean we didn't even know if we were gonna have a record deal at the end of it that's how experimental it was yeah no you guys broke a lot of ground

you know like this is before this is a pre-idol american idol like all that stuff you know you guys yeah figured it all out but before even we you know pre-show talking before social media before anything you know the only thing that you you know we're kind of in with was the boy band stuff which was yeah what interestingly simon howell was actually in all of those original meetings with clive davis Clive Davis left Arista Records and he launches J Records. And the very first act he signed was O-Town. And Simon Howell was in all those meetings. And, you know, he really took that concept and made pop idol and then American Idol. Now you have The Voice. have the voice and but it was an interesting time because now they know exactly what your single is going to be they know exactly who your record label is going to be and we had an entire season come out on the abc network millions of people watching hit tv show we still did not have a record deal it wasn't until the end of that first season that clive davis came in signed the band

and uh and we had all or nothing which was the number one hit for us. And it really proved the model would work. And I think it also separated us a little bit, of course, from Backstreet Boys and NSYNC, obviously. Yep. I know your story's out there, Ashley, and I want to focus more about the journey and the pivot points that

we talked about uh but I do want to pause and kind of you know reflect on that that O-Town day those O-Town days like you know yeah I'm sure now I mean we're close to the same age you know like reflecting back I mean it's pretty damn cool I mean you know like like reflecting back, I mean, it's pretty damn cool. I mean, you know, like just the experience, like, I don't know, like I'm sure in the moment and there's been some drama and things like that. We don't have to get into that shit. It's more like, but just, I don't know, having that experience being, you know, a heartthrob and, you know, like having a band and like traveling, I don't know. Give me some reflection on all that.

Yeah. No, it was a crazy time, perhaps the craziest ever. And I don't thank you for the compliments and the kind words. I don't think of myself that way. I was just this hometown kid. I come from a real small, salt of the earth town, Redding, California. And boom, all of a sudden, you're on TV and people are like, well, you're him. You're that guy. And it's like, it's interesting from a marketing point of view too, because you, you feel yourself being turned into a product and there's this split that happens. There's you. And then there's this version of you that's up on a shelf. And it's really an interesting thing to experience it's

kind of hard to to put into words but it was um the show was syndicated so it's not even just you know an american thing all of a sudden we're in germany and we're in europe and we're in asia and it was a wild roller coaster of a ride and it lasted about four years. And then that journey continued because MTV wanted to follow my journey going solo and assigned a solo record deal with Universal. And then I did the whole thing over again on my own. And it was just, it's the power of television really. And both iterations of my music career

have also been connected to these television vehicles. And that's the medium. And we'll talk a little bit more about the emergence of social media, but it's just such a powerful medium to be on television and to also have hit singles at the same time. And that's how I ended up meeting Bobby Klebanoff, who's my business partner. Now we actually started an entertainment. He was my manager for a very long time, all the way through the Broadway years and everything. But it's just, yeah, I feel really grateful for my past. And I feel really grateful that happened because it was literally a one in a million slip on a banana peel. And one of my very first auditions, just turning 18, and I booked it it I respect people that appreciate their past you

know I've I've had some people in the show and we've talked to others about coming on the show we've kind of avoided it I'm like damn I mean like you said it's one in a probably a million probably one in a billion you know like how small people get the opportunity. No matter what the stigma is or isn't in the moment or after the fact or whatever, but to get that attention, you know, because we talk about now, modern day social media and all these things, attention is currency. And to have the opportunity to get your name out there, to get your name and likeness known you know it's such a

such a uh a rare occurrence i i love it when people just embrace what it was because you know nothing's set in stone you know that was a trend that was a thing there you leveraged it but it's how you leverage it and move with it and pivot going forward so i always i always respect people that kind of embrace you you know, whatever that was that got them to a certain point. And then it's like, but what do you turn that into? Totally agree. Totally agree. And I think it's important to celebrate it because look, without that fan base, I mean, the truth is they, they grow and evolve too. So you're right. That was a place in a time and pop music of the early 2000s

and the spiked hair and the frosted tips and all of that. But your audience grows with you and you hope to evolve with your audience, with your fan base. I've always really looked up to people who have mastered that pivot, so to speak. And I think of people like, I think one of the greatest stories is Arnold Schwarzenegger going from professional bodybuilding at the height to the top of Hollywood, then the top of politics. I mean, I just think it's, if you have that kind of view, then I think, you know, going into it. And I think that's where I was always at was trying to stay ahead of the curve like okay well this is awesome right now but this is a place and a time and it will there'll be another chapter and what's that

gonna be and I think that's where the pivot comes in yeah I look at like you know like JT I mean Justin Timberlake you know the same thing it was kind of like just that persona being in the boy band or whatever and you know whether it was cool or not cool who gives a shit like but everybody thinks jt's cool now i mean you know like because he's levers i mean obviously he's talented motherfucker like let's be honest like it's like he's he's made his own you know because he's super talented he's got a a, just a nose for popularity, knowing the music, the stuff, but now, you know,

he's, you know, one of those as well, just kind of pivots into it. But all right. Talk to me, talk to me, uh,

before we transition, we move out of our O-Town, uh, discussion. What's like, give me like something like you hadn't talked about in a long time, like memorable, most memorable moment, maybe like meeting someone or like realizing how famous you are.

I don't know. Like, give me, give me like, give me that moment that was just like unbelievable. Oh man, there's a lot of them. I mean, I remember first, I remember just to speak to that idea of like you becoming this this this product and this this other version of yourself just literally the week that making the band dropped i was sitting in an airport and this girl looks over she had headphones on she rips the headphones off and she goes you're him and i was like she's like you're him and i was like who's him and she was like you're the Ashley Angel and I was

like whoa this is so weird but I actually remember one time um like later on through O-Town years uh Susan Sarandon actually reached out and invited me to be her guest to go see Michael Jackson perform uh when he did that 30-year at Madison Square Garden, performed with Jackson Five. And I'm sitting there with Susan Sarandon, who I grew up, you know, just, just amazing talent. And I'm watching Michael Jackson, and I'm sitting next to Macaulay Culkin. And I'm, you know, I'm just like, Where am I right now? This is just insane. And, you know, it was it was just a lot of experiences like that. But then you meet celebrities, and you realize, look, these are just people. These are just people who are of experiences like that. But then you meet celebrities and you realize, look, these are just people.

These are just people who are obviously very talented people. But that veil sort of comes down a little bit. And you realize, look, these are just human beings like the rest of us. And there are quite a few stories I could think of. But becoming a famous person is a trip. It's a bit of a, it throws you, it can throw you for a loop, which is why I think a lot of child stars, of course, end up grappling with that later in life. And it's being famous is a, it's a bit of a traumatic experience in some ways.

But I don't want to say like, I mean, I'm grateful for all of it, but it is a bit of a, it's a shift. It's a complete shift into a whole new world. You really got to have your head on straight to be able to handle it. Susan Sarandon. I think that was like my first, like girl, like woman movie crush or something like, you know, like you're a badass actress, but attractive, super attractive. Like I was like, Oh yes, that rang a bell. That, that, that's a moment there getting to go see michael jackson for sure um let's transition um you know bobby talking with bobby and and uh

ashley you know like what's been the journey from there i know i know we're going to build towards um you know where we're at today but let's talk about some of that journey after the band, after the, after the solo artist, you know, where, where things went. Yeah. I think as soon as we started working together, um, started really to Ashley's point, like thinking what's next after this, cause the truth is entertainment's fleeting, you know, even, um, you know, probably more so now than it was even back then, you know, people are hot for six months, then they're not. And so it's like, it's finding that next thing while you're in it, when you're at the height of it, what are you going to now start laying the groundwork for? And these things take time. And so I think to your point about even Justin Timberlake and you see with Beyonce,

it's like all these, all these entertainers that you see that have really created just unbelievable success. They all have that same, they're the ones driving it. You know, a lot of entertainment is you're sitting around waiting for your manager, your agent, your booking person, the label, this and that to tell you where to go. And I think the, what separates the people that really have long lasting careers is you can tell they're driving the ship. And so I think Ashley and I have always worked so well together because we both have that same entrepreneurial spirit. Just to explain, we met through my manager, Larry Rudolph. And Larry Rudolph managed Britney Spears.

Real quick, they tapped Bobby right out of high school because he was the internet whiz kid that understood this new emerging world of social media. I offered to do MySpace for for free which was really the only reason yeah it's free we'll hire you i was like yeah but didn't you cold call larry rudolph at like 16 so he he's a go-getter he's a hustler he cold calls larry rudolph's office at 16 and says i'll do all your websites and all your social media for free all right and they're like what social media we've never yeah hired hired and then so now and then that's

where that's where i intersect with bobby and just and then he was such a visionary from such a young age and had such a great understanding of marketing and the world of social media it was like you got to start a youtube you got to get on myspace this is where everything is going and even for our generation like i was a little slow to adopt it. I mean, remember you were saying earlier, like even people that Capitol Records were like telling like the Internet's a fad. Don't we're not participating in it. It's not going to nobody's going to ever want to listen to music on their computer.

And it's just you see like to what we just said, it's like you need to start laying the groundwork ahead of time. These things move fast. And so if you're not, you're not prepared. And so I think, you know, for us, we've gone through so many business ideas together, like in the last 10 years, at one point, we're going to open a cereal restaurant that we went through that entire process. Then we then we pivoted to, you know, t shirts and a clothing company. And that didn't really work out. And it's these trials and errors. But as long as you keep going, and i think we've now gotten to this this business that we've we've been in for

a long time now we really have been uh pursuing that we're we're really excited about it and and obviously you know talking with you you're such you know the work that you guys do and the work that you've done it's it's just inspiring to talk to other people that understand like, hey, these things don't happen by accident. The groundwork gets laid and there's a reason why people rise to the top and why people, you know, you kind of come in and out and fade away. And so having the entertainment background, I think it's been really exciting for us to understand creating an experience with a business that is entertaining for people. And so, you know know we'll get more into it but that's that's kind of where we he and i come together we realize we want to do things

outside of entertainment and we start laying that groundwork very quickly and that's kind of where our story starts so i always like to keep it human on the radcast you know everybody's you know not everybody gets to be in o-town not everybody gets everybody gets to be Britney Spears and all this stuff. I heard some failures potentially in there. Yeah. Talk about maybe you can laugh about it now or smile about it, but was there any good stories in there for things that just didn't go the way you thought they would? Oh, yeah.

You touched upon it we we wanted i had this concept that like this is at the time that yogurt shops are blowing up and at one point i was going to launch a yogurt shop called yo town and that was going to be a real playoff of o-town which but that just got so you know got it got that space got crowded and so i thought i love cereal what if we had a yogurt-style shop with every flavor of cereal, and you got different flavors of milk, and you could go, and we called it Cereal Spoon, and we spent a big chunk of money getting that company incorporated, and we were dropping.

This is when I was doing Hairspray on Broadway. But it was that entrepreneurial spirit that he was talking about, like what's next? How can we leverage all of this attention into something in business, knowing that entertainment is a rollercoaster ride, and you're going to be up and down no matter who you are? And that was very expensive. And then realizing that the pitfalls of that was that trying to open a spot in New York

and what it would cost and all those things, trying to do it on our own dime. I mean, we spent a lot of money and lost a lot of money. But you learn that lesson as an entrepreneur. And then I was also 17 at the time. And they're like, we're not giving you a loan. And I was like, why? He was like, well, you're 17. You have no history or experience.

And I was like, all right, well,'re 17 you have no history or experience and i was like all right well um that one's not gonna work so yeah that would that would crash and burn i kind of like the cereal concept as a guy that likes some cereal i mean who doesn't like cereal you know yes well i will say we were a bit ahead of the curve gun and i think it was even a shark tank concept um serial killers is actually a successful company that's's the same concept. So there's a little plug for Cereal Killers. They have that exact concept. They proved that it would work and it's been a successful, they have many locations. And, but I was just trying to, yeah, as an entrepreneur, you think about like, what do I love? What am I passionate about?

Grew up just eating cold cereal. Like, like just that was all I ate and um I still think it's an awesome idea then we had a t-shirt company that we that we attempted to launch that didn't do well but these are the scars of an entrepreneur and I think you have to have I don't believe in in in failure I like the concept that fail f-a-i-I-L, stands for a faithful attempt in learning. There's no such thing as a mistake. I call it being on the mistake learner's high. You have to have, like if you think of a great film, you think of all those mistakes that an actor had to go through to get that one take. But all those mistakes leading up to that beautiful Oscar-winning take of the film,

you wouldn't get there if you didn't have all those mistakes that led up to it. So I think it's important to reframe how you view mistakes on the entrepreneur's journey. 100%. So I couldn't have said it any better. And look, you already had a win like no one else has ever had. You know, so like the two of ever had you know so like you know rising together so you can't be greedy ain't angel i feel like i got your dad there like you know can't be greedy you've had more wins than anybody's ever had you know or 99.9 percent

of the people so uh speaking of wins we got the wicked poster behind you. You mentioned some Broadway stuff. I know that's, uh, been part of the journey. Uh, what, what got you into Broadway? You know, I, I always looked up to, uh, people that like Mark Wahlberg started off as Marky Mark and the funky bunch. And then he got into acting and he really started to stretch. And of course, a lot of people have done that since going back to Elvis you know breaking into to film and acting and um Broadway was like the perfect thing for me because I was already singing and dancing and you have to be able to have that and then it was very meta because the first show I got was Link Larkin the lead of Hairspray who plays a teenage star on a show that's patterned after Dick Clark's American Bandstand. So his is in Hairspray. It's the Corny Collins show.

But it was a very meta role. I was in it with Lance. Lance Baskerman Sink was playing Corny Collins. It was like a rock concert. We had George Wendt from Cheers playing the Edna character, which is, of course, the character in drag that plays the mom. So it was just an amazing time in my life. And it was two years. It started off as a sort of what seemed like a stunt cast. And there was a 12 week contract andsigned me four times and I ended up doing it for two years and then that led to Wicked which was really my dream role and did that on both the tour and then on Broadway so thousands of performances on Broadway and also just getting into a slightly different audience there because a lot of the Broadway audience is also international. Some of them may or may not have known about O-Town, but I felt like I had something to prove,

which was that I'm a talent outside of just being a boy band. And that's what Broadway represented for me was an opportunity to show, hey, I'm not just this guy who you might think of as the spiky haired blonde kid from O-, I've actually got some shops. And that's what that that was an opportunity for me to try to prove myself in that world. Because as much as it was a win, the truth is, when you're in a boy band, you get pegged. It's just like if you're in a sitcom, it's sometimes you see a sitcom star, it's like the biggest sitcom, but they can never break out from that role. And it's it's it's challenging to try to get people to see you as something else. And that's been my journey after that was it was an amazing success.

And O-Town will be I have nothing but like appreciation for it and gratitude at the same time. It's been challenging to try to pivot out of it and be taken as more than just the quote boy band guy, if that makes sense. Oh, it makes total sense. I mean, George Costanza, I mean, you know, like Seinfeld, like, you know, like half that cast has never done anything but that. I mean, even, I mean, Jerry's Seinfeld struggled a bit, you know, I mean, obviously he's got very few things to worry about, you know, his stand-up has

been amazing and was he probably like still top 10 most uh wealthiest uh uh people uh on in in broadway or excuse me uh hollywood but uh yeah he's done okay i don't feel too bad for him but i'm not sure george has ever uh landed anything else but uh yeah you're right i mean it's like getting i'm sure it's not like they're taking seriously it's just they can't get out of that frame of reference it's just like yeah you know you're this 18 year old kid still like or whatever and now you're exactly you've got other abilities but obviously you've proven them um being on tour we talked you know pre-episode you even came through the whole town here of greenville south carolina with the uh wicked

tour i remember the buses and everything else being around clogging up all the traffic yes uh so uh any any future plans on the broadway thing i mean is that kind thing? I know we're about to pivot here a bit, but any future in Broadway? Are you still interested? I think I will make my return to Broadway at a certain point. And I think the last show I did, Bobby and I were already kind of creating the journey and the storyline of where I was going, which was into fitness and health and wellness. And interestingly, it starts on social media as a 90 day fitness challenge. And this is something I did all throughout the Broadway years. So a lot of people were like, he's on Broadway.

But if you went to my social media, you saw I was just doing these 90 day fitness challenges and building an audience of people that were discovering me outside of that Broadway world of that pop music world, and just starting to follow me for fitness advice. And I've always been into like, you know, really been fitness, music and acting were my three passions growing up. I thought as a teenager that I would go into fitness and try to use that success to pivot into Hollywood. And then it just happened in reverse. I fell backwards into a Hollywood music career and then years later started exploring fitness again. years later started exploring fitness again. And I think looking at the people who are in my category, pop stars like Jessica Simpson,

who has launched an incredible international brand of shoes. And you look at Jessica Alba with the Honest Company. You look at, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow with Goop. And it was like, well, where can I take, where can I take this next? And starting from a place that feels authentic is, I think, really important. You can't fake it. And so for me, living that lifestyle of being healthy was also what being a Broadway performer,

which, by the way, is the most grueling, hardest job I've ever had, way harder than even being a pop star or a rock star. Like you do eight performances a week and you were beating your body up and you have to take care of yourself like a peak performer. And so I was hiring all these peak performance coaches and all these different categories. I started sharing these tips and tricks of how to get yourself to that higher peak performance level and really started building an audience in fitness and health and wellness very organically was how it all started. And so it dovetails with being a performer

because you can't do Broadway unless you're taking care of yourself at a higher level, really like an athlete. You have to treat yourself like a high-level athlete to be able to sing, to be able to dance, to be able to actually get on stage and knock out eight Broadway level performances a week because people go see a Broadway show. Those tickets are $180. They expect a certain level of performance, a certain level of energy. You have to take care of yourself like an athlete. And it was something I started

just talking about organically on social media. And then Bobby and I were like, let's launch a product. Let's launch a supplement. And the very first concept was I love caffeine, but I'm also caffeine sensitive. So when I perform, if I have coffee, it makes me too jittery because I'm already, I'm already feeling nerves from performing. And so we create a product called next level focus. We literally out of our closet, we launched it on Amazon. It became a bestseller. And the concept was it's a, it's an energy product that has caffeine, but it's for people that are caffeine sensitive. So it's got a couple ingredients in there that actually counteract the adrenalizing effects of caffeine. And this just came from being a coffee

lover and reading message boards on the internet. If you take L-theanine, which is a supplement people use for anti-anxiety, it's the number one popular supplement for anti-anxiety. You put that in your coffee coffee you'll have such a smoother caffeine experience and i thought well people are putting this in their coffee let's just make it a supplement and uh and and it hit and that was how high level supplements was born literally from uh from an apartment closet and launched as an amazon company uh of course in this new age of and launched as an Amazon company, of course, in this new age of fulfilled by Amazon, which has been... Ironically, I gained 40 pounds while he was on Broadway because I would just come to New York and go to like get cheesecake and bagels. So I've always been on the business side. I don't have a lick of musical talent.

I got kicked out of trumpet class growing up. So it's our talent stacks have aligned well in terms of, you know, but we'll, you know, we'll backtrack a little bit in terms of the business, but, and we don't want to talk too much, but, you know, I started working with a woman, Nicole Winneman, who was widely regarded as like the brand endorsement agent in Hollywood for music. She did Ellen's's american express the with candies justin bieber with willy wonka and what happened was that the kind of market started shift where endorsements weren't really doing as well anymore these big 100 million dollar you know britney and pepsi deals because people started to get a little wiser to hey that doesn't mean

they use the product didn't britney get caught drinking coke no he got caught saying that his favorite candy was a cadbury product instead of a willy wong it was right whatever but long story short so it started to pivot to celebrity owned businesses instead and that's when you started to see jessica simpson come up with the shoe line and um so jessica parker with shoes and jessica albaest Company. And, you know, and my background has just been working with other serial entrepreneurs, mentors. Bert Bedrosian is one of both of our mentors who invented Life Alert, I Fall In and I Can't Get Up. And, you know, was an early investor in the UFC and Tap Out. And so when he started doing Broadway, like he said, we were like, we have this great audience that we can capitalize on. We have a social media presence. Let's start laying the groundwork on this visual

medium of Instagram. You know, he looks good. We can kind of, you know, use it as an excuse to basically show off more physique shots and those kinds of things, knowing that eventually we're going to build this audience and then we're going to monetize it. And that kind of was where we started. Yeah, I love that. I'm glad you pivoted into the social aspect. I wanted to talk about that and how, what, what, you know, what leverage that's brought and, you know, building off of Ashley's audience, obviously, um, both from the O-Town days to the Broadway, everything like that. What has been kind of the social media approach, both for high level and Ashley's popularity? Well, I think it's important to also focus on pain points, like you said,

and the journey, the ups and downs. He was the biggest promoter of get on YouTube now because YouTube is going to be the next big thing. And I honestly, I slept on it. I was like, I'm not sure. I just don't know if this is really going to take off or not. So I missed the boat on YouTube hard, like so hard. Yeah.

We have sound effects on our Friday episodes. If I had those, I'd be playing the read my lips. No, you got it wrong, Ashley. Yeah, I did. I got it dead wrong. And so when Instagram started to come up, really started blowing up around like obviously, I think it was 2012, 2013, 2014, somewhere around there. We were like, I was like, I'm not missing the boat on Instagram. I'm not missing the boat on Instagram, not missing the boat. So the very first 90 day fitness challenge, I started telling that story was back in 2014.

And that segwayed with all the Broadway touring and then going and then wicked. And then I did the tour and I did the Broadway show. So it was like two and a half, three years of my life. And I'm telling these stories and it's working and I'm getting, I'm gaining this audience. That's also outside of pop music. And now of course we see the emergence of Tik TOK. And I think, you know,

but then you have the clubhouses of the world where, you know, it, it, it seems like it's going to be the next big thing, but then it fizzles. And so if you'd watched the rad cast three years ago, you'd know you would have known clubhouse was not going to be the next big thing but then it fizzles and so if you watch the radcast three years ago you know you would have known clubhouse was not going to be the next big thing i got more audio of that than anyone told everybody no no it's it's it's hard everyone's looking at you

like you're and you're like just trust me trust me no i've done this a long time thing it made no sense because everyone was in podcast was growing and you listen to podcasts when you have time. So live audio is when you may not have time. So it never made sense to me that you had to listen to audio only when it was live. I was like, no, I listen to my podcast when I'm at the gym or on my time. Yeah. You don't want to participate always in them. And so that's the same frustration. I mean, you probably see it just in your business ryan like when you're trying to

convince a client like hey you need to do this and they're pushing and that's kind of you know in terms of that pain point i was like hey this is something we need to focus on and now tiktok yes yes tiktok yeah tiktok youtube 10 years ago yes you know, it's it's the other thing is like social media is work. You know, it's like, you know, and I think as as marketing people like we, you know, sometimes everybody thinks they can do it. You know, and that's the other thing. And you're like, yeah, technically everybody thinks they can do it. But in terms of creating a real strategy around it, you know, even when it doesn't make sense at first, you know, and I think that's what we started doing in terms of high level and Ashley's personal brand is when he's in Wicked, everybody else in Wicked would be promoting Wicked, you know, because they're in a Broadway show. And, you know, but our mentality was always, well, Wicked's a $3 billion show at this point. You

know, they made their own by Universal. They're successful. It's not our job to promote Wicked. Wicked spends a ton of money on marketing. They spend a ton of money on media. And what we need to do is really be thinking nine months from now, this contract is going to be over. And if we spent these entire months, nine months promoting just Wicked, well, we haven't really built anything. So we start laying the groundwork for this fitness brand, again, kind of in the similar way to what Ashley was describing for our call about O-Town. We had no product, and O-Town had no record label. So we're creating this awareness, and we're starting to... My goal was to always... I want people to start recognizing you for what we're doing on social media, and they could come to it having no knowledge of your past whatsoever. And I think that's really where the power of social media starts to come it's like anybody can grow on social media if they have huge outside you know drivers whether it's on tv whether it's a brand whether it's this but i'm really interested in the people that have come up on social media purely from the content they're creating on there. And so that's where

I think we started to see that, that turn where we would be out in public or you would even be in New York and people are like, Oh my God, I love your, your fitness tips. I lost 50 pounds because of what you're telling me on social media. We've started, we started to see those lines pop up so much that we're like, okay, now it's time to monetize. Now it's time to take this from awareness to an actual product and start monetizing. And I think that's what, just to add real quick, that's what sold it for me is you start seeing the age of the social media influencer has bigger engagement and bigger numbers than movie stars. And you're like, whoa, like, okay. So this vehicle is, has changed the game. It is a game changer. And I think that's why our talent stack really,

we compliment each other because he's always really understood that world. And coming just also too, from a place of authenticity, like being a certified coach, actually having the knowledge of teaching people these things is a pivot for myself, but I'm in complete control of that. I can create that brand. And I like the control that social media gives you to tell that story yourself, not through the medium of a record label, not through the medium of a television producer, et cetera. So it really puts the power in your own hands. It's an incredible tool. That's a great point there at the end, Axe. I mean, there's a lot to unpack with what you guys just talked about.

But that at the end. Social media has democratized business. I mean, from music to acting, you can self-produce. I mean, I'm not saying you still got to have money and some distribution and all that. I get all that. But social media has democratized so many things from business to production anything like that because you can if you're talented and you're driven enough you can create you can build your own audience and that just wasn't you know o-town you know

was built through tv and built through the music that you produced and all of that. But it was through the old radio channels and the television channels and traditional media. And now businesses are built through, start from the ground up, from social media. It's incredible. The old gatekeepers, so to speak, they're trying to catch up. They're now pursuing these YouTube kids who are out earning, you know, uh, all of us.

They're driving Benries and Rolls Royces. Yeah. What do you do? And they're like, Oh, I'm a TikTok star. And I'm like, um, all right. Well, but no, but to your point, right. You know, it was such a threat to like the big content, you know, gatekeepers to Ashley's point, like record labels, they were so hesitant to get involved because it went from all of a sudden to get, to have a record go, um, you know, really become successful. You needed, you needed money on, on lots of money on radio. You needed touring, you needed, and it successful, you needed money on radio. You needed touring.

You needed, and it was the labels that could pay for that. Same with movies. I had a meeting really high up at Paramount about three years ago when we were working on some streaming stuff with another company. And the head of the studio was like, you don't understand. We would never let people watch our films for free. And I was like, you don't understand. It's not that you're going to let people, it's like, you will have no choice. You will have to find a different way to monetize

your content because this idea that you will never let people, you know, watch things for free. It's like, it's so backwards at this point. I think COVID accelerated, right? Our, our push to this kind of new world of content consumption, content development, content distribution. But that's what we saw with the fitness thing too, where it was like, all of a sudden we go from, you know, people are in gyms and then COVID and people are like, how do I work out? And that's where we saw like, wow, we need to pivot very quickly to create a product and sell it because people need this. And it was really developed as a need and people just coming to us and be like, hey, your products are working for us, but I want to

know how do I take this to the next level? And so that's where we were like, let's create a coaching business that we can sell knowledge and we can really help people beyond having them buy a bottle of protein powder or whatever it was. Now people need help to actually how to use it and i think the democratization of that it's also presented an issue where there's almost too much content and so now it's like you get on and you really don't know what to do and so even like trying to find knowledge it's like i think i could find 700 different ways to fix x problem now when you go on the internet, so you really need like somebody of authority to come in that you trust. And that's where we think Ashley's background has benefited so much. It's like people trust him, right? So if you grew up with him and you were

into pop music and now you're in your thirties, had a couple of kids, you're trying to get back into shape. You're going to feel a lot more comfortable hiring Ashley Parker Angel from O-Town because you grew up loving him than you might a complete stranger. And so that's where we feel like we've been building this business for 20 years and we're just now seeing the fruits of like that trust and that that audience that we've curated for. Yeah. And let's have fun doing it because if you think about the pop culture element, we bring a lot of fun to what we do. We've built a community very similar to what Peloton has built, where we have this incredible international community. You might have been, maybe you were someone that loved pop music. We've got a lot

of people that weren't necessarily the biggest fans of O-Town, but even if you were just a fan of boy bands in general, pop music in general, we also saw there was a hole in this space where there's not really anyone from my category, so to speak, that's gone this direction. It also worked out perfectly that naturally, authentically, this is something I've always been passionate about. So I think it was like a combination of filling a real need in the marketplace and then providing a home solution during COVID when like that's nobody. I mean, the gym shut down. Nobody could exercise from an actual location. Everybody wanted to move to a home solution anyway. So it was a, it was sort of a perfect storm to be honest. Where are we headed

gentlemen with high level? Where, where's all this, uh, what's the future hold? I love that question. I mean, I think, you know, being fitness entrepreneurs at this point, we've realized there's so many different, there's so many different ways to be a fitness coaching academy where you get to work with me. And we provide all the things that people need. We have custom nutritionists giving you custom meal plans. We do live workouts, but we really do live coaching and it's a support community. And I think that the biggest pitfall, the number one reason people fail to get in shape is they say we don't have the motivation or accountability. And so we provide that for people online on a daily basis. It's a support community. We know support communities work for all different categories, but it's different than it's again, it's this new technology spin of emerging technology that allows us to connect

internationally and have be able to coach someone in Germany and Iceland and the Philippines. And being able to connect with people through the Internet this way has just been incredible because now you can work with people that you grew up admiring if they're offering a service like this. It's just been unlike anything I think people have experience in a category like this. You know, you can you can go watch the Backstreet Boys. And how much is it for a VIP meet and greet for the Backstreet Boys? A lot. It's like twelve hundred dollars. Yeah. To meet the Backstreet Boys.

Five hundred plus the ticket. Right. For about a minute. Yeah, I think I think the the goal to answer your question is to scale it. You know, right. It's like, how do we how do we package what Ashley, you know, his energy, his ability to inspire people, to move people? You know, we've had people that have lost over 100 pounds. We've had people whose entire lives have radically transformed from being part of this community. And I think we're constantly trying to find out, like,

how can we be more impactful with lower, you know, touch, right. And so we launched an app recently. And that's kind of our first entry into this kind of more of a mass market thing where, you know, there's only one Ashley. So it's like, if we're, if we're leveraging him so much, and you see, Tony Robbins has obviously done a great job with this, you know there's a way to kind of bottle up that energy and now put it into courses now put it into even like additional coaches who can help and so I think that's where we're that's our next hurdle is like okay we know this works we know in its current iteration we're changing lives we're doing um you know all these impactful things but now instead of reaching hundreds of people, thousands of people,

we need to take that next level to reach hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people. And so obviously technology is going to play a part in that, but it's just talking, even just talking to other marketing people, talking to other, the trends are changing so much

and the technology is changing so much that it's just about staying ahead of that curve like what's the next um delivery system for i think what we're offering is the challenge scale baby scale yeah yes holograms yeah i love that hologram in your living room work out with me and my hologram. Hey, it's coming back. Holograms are coming back. I'm telling you, Star Wars, it'll be here. Yes. I agree.

The Whitney Houston one in Vegas was a little weird, but I think they're going to perfect it. I know. All right. I got one last question before we tell everybody where to find everything. Is O-Town coming? I saw the, you know, we're not breaking any news here, but we ever getting back together?

Are we getting the band back together, Ashley? I get that question a lot. I know they do too. I mean, the honest answer is there's no plans as of right now for that. Um, and you know, we, we've had some brief discussions, but there's been no solid plans and it's this new direction I'm going in is, is, I mean, it's so full time to be honest, like to have the time again, step back into being a band, it would cost me a lot in terms of the business that I now run. And so it's, you get to a point where I think when you are pivoting, you, you start realizing

you have to make a decision and you have to start, if you are going to rebrand yourself, you can't be all over the place. And I think being a peak performance coach, like working with people one-on-one, like he said, helping people change their lives has been so rewarding for me on a spiritual level. Uh, for me, it has been, I love performing and awesome to see someone in the audience enjoying your performance, but now I'm working with people one-on-one to help them level up in their personal lives. And the feedback I get from people daily, like Jeff, who I helped lose a hundred pounds is like, it is just an unbelievable experience when you help someone

change their life. I feel like I went from jobs to career to now finding my purpose. And that, that is a very powerful thing to find. I'm in my forties now. And I think this is the direction I want to stay headed in. I'm going to summarize for never say never. Never say never. Yeah, yeah. Well, they did reach out. The producer of Making the Band recently did reach out and said, hey, how would you feel about doing a Making the Band TV reunion?

I think I would be a bit more open to something like that than say for instance like i'm never gonna be otown got together and they they tour as the four guys and they've been together longer now as this iteration than previous so yeah so they've really they've reunited and i'm and i mean i would love them you know i would love to make maybe there is an opportunity for a tv reunion or something like that in the future. But I celebrate my past. And at the same time, I've also evolved to this new journey that I'm on now. And it's probably, it's for me, maybe that ship has sailed.

But I do appreciate it and I love it. And I, like I said, there's nothing but gratitude and love for that time in my life because it's amazing. Yeah. Well, you leverage it, but you build on it. So where can we keep up with you gentlemen? I know Ashley Parker, Angel, people who are Google, you know, how many Google searches you still get? I don't know. But where can we keep up with all things business and personal? up with all things business and personal? Yeah. Yeah. Well, people can follow me, of course, on my socials, like Instagram, TikTok, Facebook. It's just Ashley Parker Angel. People that want an affordable solution to get in shape, you can go to ashleyparkerangel.app,

ashleyparkerangel.app. And you can sign up for the app I just launched, which is a really cool concept. It's actually, we didn't even fully get into this, but it's like the Netflix of fitness. And so I've partnered with a company called playbook that offers a solution very similar to Netflix. It's 1499 a month, and you actually have access to over 200 different coaches. So it's not just my strategies, but you got 200 different coaches from all over the best of the best offering their solutions and methods as well. So it's a lot like Netflix, you get on and there's so much content from health and wellness teachers of all kinds, meditation, yoga, nutrition, fitness, all of it. And it's only it's only 1499 a month. So we just recently launched that.

LiveHighLevel.com, HighLevelPerformanceAcademy.com, Amazon.com forward slash LiveHighLevel, forward slash HighLevel. So we're just search High Level Supplements, High Level Nutrition. We come up everywhere. We're on Amazon, we're on the web, we're on all the social media, but you'll find us. We're there. We'll have to come back for round two and talk, you know, the ins and outs of e-commerce and the, the pluses and minuses of Amazon. Yeah. Unnecessary evil dancing with the devil, not the angel. with the devil, not the angel.

Amazon knows it's necessary. Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. I really appreciate you coming on. Thank you. That was awesome. Yes, this has been so great to be on the Radcast. Thank you so much, Ryan. Yeah. Hey, guys, you know where to find us,

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