Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Bulletproof: The Father of Biohacking - Dave Asprey

Starting point is 00:00:00 Innovation is just laziness. All entrepreneurs are lazy. And I know I just triggered everyone. Seriously, if you're listening to the show, you are so lazy because you want to do a better job with less work. That's the definition of lazy. You're listening to The Radcast, a top 25 worldwide business podcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast.

Starting point is 00:00:36 We say if it's radical, we cover it. I don't fucking know what's more radical than our next guest. We were talking pre-episode. A lot of you have heard of you. We've got a lot of executives. We've got a lot of people that are trying to hack their brains, hack their bodies, and to get ahead. We got the fucking father of biohacking, Dave Asprey. What's up, brother? Ryan, I love that intro.

Starting point is 00:00:59 You sound like some kind of 60s shock jock. You got that, hey, what's up brother i had hats off i got up my podcast game i it's like substance sizzle or steak i don't know if that's i think that might be the sizzle but i try to bring both if you've got both that's the perfect meal if you just got sizzle then you just be an influencer and that would be boring yeah you got out we're number one in marketing and business on Apple. So I guess we're doing something right. I think so.

Starting point is 00:01:28 Yeah. But you know why we're doing something right? Because we got fucking Dave Asprey on the show. And I'm telling you, Dave, we talked pre-episode, but we're going to do it again. You inspired me, I don't know, 14, 13 years ago. It's been a while. 2010, I'm getting old.

Starting point is 00:01:44 I'm 46. I don't know, 14, 13 years ago. It's been a while. 2010, I'm getting old. I'm 46. And my first nootropic experience on the biohacking blog, your online stuff, you've been talking about this stuff. And I learned about some things before even researching this for this episode. First fucking e-commerce sale? I mean, dude.

Starting point is 00:02:01 I didn't know that. Believe it or not, my first, actually, this wasn't my first company because when you're a teenager, you do all sorts of crazy stuff if you're an entrepreneur. But I was in my college dorm and I just needed to pay my tuition. So I started a company selling T-shirts that said caffeine, my drug of choice. And they had a picture of the caffeine molecule. That's it right there on my arm. And it said caffeine, my drug of choice. And they had a picture of the caffeine molecule. That's it right there on my arm. And it said caffeine, my drug of choice. And I sold them to 16 countries. And this Rutgers marketing professor was on what today you'd call Reddit back then it was before the browser was invented. So it was called Usenet. And he's saying, no,

Starting point is 00:02:40 one's ever going to make money on the internet. And I'm at a state school. So I'm like, yeah, you Mr. Ivy league. You know, I hate to tell you this. I'm already make money on the internet. And I'm at a state school. So I'm like, yeah, you're Mr. Ivy League. You know, I hate to tell you this. I'm already making money on the internet. I don't know what kind of school you got to. I might've been a jerk when I was a kid. But the next day, the Miami Herald picks it up and calls me and says, hey, is this real?

Starting point is 00:02:59 I'm like, yeah, it is. And so they wrote a big article about it. Two weeks later, the first spam in the world came out after that article. And in the article I warned, I'm like, so I'm an entrepreneur magazine at this point. My fat picture, like proof of fat is me in a double extra large t-shirt in entrepreneur. And to this day, people who saw Joe Rogan try to take me down for money, they'll say, you weren't really fat. I'm like, I don't know, does entrepreneur magazine enough proof in this? No, it's not enough proof. I'm like, then, you know, you're a douchebag. But the funny thing is that article, I didn't know. I was just trying to,

Starting point is 00:03:33 I also scooped ice cream at Baskin Robbins. I was literally trying to make rent and tuition, and that was all it was. But in retrospect, yeah, first thing ever sold over the internet, the day before the guys who now run wine.com sold, they used to be called Virtual Vineyards. So it was a very small internet back then. And it's just what scrappy entrepreneurs do. And a generation before that, I probably had a ham radio or something like that. I don't know what those guys did, but there's always people who are saying, I got to find a way. And I can tell you, for me, getting a job probably wasn't the right way although I did have a great

Starting point is 00:04:07 career in Silicon Valley it was pushing against my nature which is just to be an entrepreneur they call you the father of biohacking I think you're one of the fathers of innovation is what you are at the end of the day innovation is why we're alive yeah You go back probably realistically a quarter million, like 250,000 years. And there was two cavemen that look mostly like us. And one of them said, I found this fire outside and I'm going to stay warm. And the other one's, it's not fair. And one of those guys is our ancestor and the other one isn't. So innovation is just laziness. It's just, I don't want to do that much work. Can I stay warm without whatever I was doing before? So I'm just lazier than everyone else.

Starting point is 00:04:48 It's what all entrepreneurs are lazy. And I know I just triggered everyone. Seriously, if you're listening to the show, you are so lazy because you want to do a better job with less work. That's the definition of lazy. And if you're hardworking, you should hire those people because they're willing to take a shovel and dig a ditch

Starting point is 00:05:04 and you're the guy who's going to get a tractor and do it and then go have a beer. And that's actually normal and healthy and good. So I'm just one of the lazy is my power. And yeah, I can work really hard, but you will not make me work hard unless I have the best tools. Yeah. The tools suck. I'll make new ones. That's what makes the world a better place. So I didn't invent innovation. It's in our cells. It's in our bones. I just maybe am lazier than you. Yeah. Self-deprecation.

Starting point is 00:05:31 I'm not buying because I buy that you think that. Lazy is good. I love it. I've interviewed a lot of these high performers. Like Jocko is a guy I respect so much. Jocko Willick. And we did a live interview in Arizona. And that guy works so hard and it's so impressive.

Starting point is 00:05:49 And I'm thinking, man, I don't really want to do that. I do work really hard. I have six or seven companies. I built a hundred million plus a year company from scratch. So yeah, clearly I can work hard. I just don't want to. So I do, but I want all of the leverage and innovation and tools in order to do it. So it's that capability to work hard that I think is important for you and me and for our listeners. But it's not necessarily the willingness to work hard until you've got the right tools.

Starting point is 00:06:19 And that matters for some little subtle thing for me, maybe more than it does for other people. That's what it is, though. That's what you are, is the king of the shortcut. Like, really, because look, your book, Smarter, Not Harder, a guide to getting the body and mind you want is right down that path, right? It's how do I shortcut not like overworking this or overcomplicating it? How do I keep it simple, stupid? But it's not that hard to get the body you want. Now I say this as a guy who struggled greatly as a 300 pounds entrepreneur, but the

Starting point is 00:06:50 reason I couldn't get the body I wanted is because I had to pay, I had to pay rent and I had to do my career and all the other stuff that's going on. But if you really wanted to do this, you stop everything and you have an unlimited amount of money and you hire all the experts, right? And you just focus for eight or 10 hours a day on getting the body you want. That's what they do in Hollywood, right? And suddenly you can look like Wolverine. Problem is that doesn't work for you and me because we have kids, we have families, we have jobs, we have responsibilities, we have communities. We're always stuck between this. How hard could it be?

Starting point is 00:07:27 In the amount of time and energy that we have, it's actually not possible for a lot of people without the right tools and advice. For me, I exercise, you're going to hate me on this, 20 minutes a week right now. And I'm 7% body fat. I'm just absolutely stupidly ripped. And I've never looked as good in my life. And that's because of the most recent book and you got the next, I just ran an ad campaign and I did SEO. And one of you is driving the Maserati and the other one isn't. So I think you should do that for your exercise. You do that for your nutrition and everything else.

Starting point is 00:08:15 And suddenly the energy you get back goes into you. And then you can use that as an entrepreneur because it didn't teach me that at Wharton. I've made fun of Ivy leagues earlier. I have a Wharton MBA, which is not where you go to learn how to be an entrepreneur, but they never taught you that. Your company, it's a reflection of your energy. So if your cells are making energy, you've done your personal development work. So first you can make electricity, then you can direct it where you want it to go. Your company is generally going to look pretty good. Your culture is going to be okay. And when your energy's off, your company's energy's off. They're mirrors of each other. And when you understand that, that's why you take care of your hardware. That's why you do

Starting point is 00:08:52 whatever kind of meditation or neurofeedback or whatever practice you have for managing yourself. Because you get those done, the company just follows. You've seen the same thing in your life? company just follows make you've seen the same thing in your life oh god a hundred percent it's like when i it's a direct reflection like when i look in the mirror i'm just not when the wires are crossed it's like a bad it's like having to reboot the computer like it's not working it's i gotta reboot i gotta get it going if it's not because it's direct reflection talk with dave asprey founder of bulletproof coffee which we're going to talk about here shortly but dave i think people what are the biggest questions i wanted to ask you or believe it or not like what's a bad day for dave asprey what i know i think you've told us a little bit what drives you but i think for people that think

Starting point is 00:09:41 okay he's the father of biohacking he He's always like hacking everything, but what's a bad day. What's a cheat for Dave Asprey. There's two kinds of bad days. There's internal bad days and there's external bad days. So an internal bad day is you wake up and you don't feel right. You're groggy and maybe your back hurts. And for me, this was just all of my days when I was younger until I got my biology under control. And then your brain just won't go. You put the accelerator down and the car doesn't move. So you push all the way to the floor and it's moving. If there's no more pushing you can do, then you can't remember things. And you just get that. There's like a feeling you could call it anxiety, but it's not like worry. It's just like your body's not right.

Starting point is 00:10:32 And for me, that's usually caused by eating stuff that's not compatible with my biology. Or I slept in a hotel room that was full of artificial fragrances or worse toxic mold. It's amazing. Like I'm heading to a hotel that I know is full of mold. Every time I sleep there for two nights, I just feel like garbage the next day. So I'm actually shipping somewhere else. I tried. There's just, there's nowhere nearby to stay. So I looked at it, but I'm sending myself a $500 air filter so that I know I'll wake up and I won't have that day. And then I'll send it back to my house when I'm done. a $500 air filter so that I know I'll wake up and I won't have that day. And then I'll send it back to my house when I'm done.

Starting point is 00:11:08 I just envision Dave Asprey like spending an hour like attaching air filter somewhere. You just plug it in. But it's one of those things where I just don't want to feel that way because that's a wasted day. And with all the nootropics and biohacks, I can take myself back from most of those days pretty easily. I know the levers and knobs say, all right, I'm going to show up today and it doesn't matter what happened there. I can make it work, but it just might take more effort than it's supposed to. You want to feel like you're skating. There's some glide in there versus if you're, you just put it on crampons and walking up an ice cliff right

Starting point is 00:11:46 i want the skating sensation of the day so that's i don't know you're in the south you've probably never even seen an ice cliff but you know what i'm talking about i've traveled to one but i have definitely not seen them here we do have four seasons in the upstate, but very little ice cliffs. So if that's an internal bad day, right? What's an external bad day? Try getting fired by your board of directors from the company you founded. Try getting divorced. Try moving to a new city. Those are all on the WHO list of stressors. Oh, wait. I used to say that like it had credibility. Oh, shit. Yes. But never mind. Screw you guys. You have no credibility anymore. Zero. Anyway, it's on a major list of stressors of humans. And so what's going on there is how you handle external stress and things like that.

Starting point is 00:12:47 That's a function of how do you frame, how do you see reality in your head? And do you have the electrical capacity in yourselves to handle it? So most entrepreneurs and most humans fail because we suck at making electricity because we broke ourselves. So once you fix that, you can still be dysfunctional because what's happening next is how you see the world is dysfunctional. And for me, I had all of this wrong with me. And at this point, I've had about 1500 entrepreneurs come through my neuroscience company. It's called 40 Years of Zen. And I built it for my own brain. So I've got a neuroscientist.

Starting point is 00:13:23 We've got seven patents in different types of tech that improve your brain function. So you sit there for a week and it's the equivalent of meditating for 20, 30, 40 years. And at the end of this, oh, I've rewritten my operating system so that things that would have been overwhelming are manageable. So you learn how to tune it. So all of a sudden, more power, less waste on ineffective views of the world. And then you can handle an enormous amount. An enormous amount. It doesn't mean you want to.

Starting point is 00:13:55 It means you can't. So the capacity for hard work is something that I greatly value. My willingness to work hard is something I greatly value. If I have to work hard all the time, it means I suck at managing my life. Fascinating. What throws you off now then? Is it just purely travel, not controlling, maybe variables outside of your own control?

Starting point is 00:14:19 One of the things that I'm working on right now is there's three buckets. Do you know Dan Sullivan's work? Yep. Strategic coach. Yep. So I did some work with Dan and I greatly appreciate him. He's taught me so much and there's three buckets. There's the stuff that takes your energy that you hate. There's stuff that you're willing to do. It's neutral. You don't like it. Don't hate it. You like paying bills or something, maybe if you don't mind paying bills. And then there's stuff that gives you energy. Right. So entrepreneurs in particular, we like to do the stuff that gives us energy and we're willing to do a little bit of that stuff in the middle. And the stuff that takes your energy is just kryptonite. I want to spend more time on the stuff that I like to do. Problem is running

Starting point is 00:15:09 several companies. I've got Upgrade Labs. That's my franchise. We've got 27 locations opening across the US now. And you go to ownandupgradelabs.com if you want to work with my team on that, on opening a franchise for biohacking. And what's going on with that is okay. That's one business and it's growing. And then I have this 40 years of Zen, the neuroscience business. And then I've got my media business and I've got Danger Coffee, my new coffee company, which is really doing well. How do I partition my time between those when I don't really want to be doing that? Because I got to work on this next book that's coming out. Are you ADD? You sound like you're busy, but it's not, I don't mind being busy. It's that I want control over my time. So having thinking time and writing time is really difficult for me right now.

Starting point is 00:15:58 So I keep working with my EA who's been with me for a long time, on how do I have space in a day to think or to do versus to be in a meeting? And that's starting to piss me off a little bit. And I don't really get pissed off that easily. But now I look at my calendar, I'm looking at it right now. And today, I am literally back to back with no break. I guess I have a half hour before I have an in-person podcast with someone showing up at the studio and yeah, just back to back the entire day. And I'm talking like no room for peeing. And I don't know how sustainable that is, but I've been doing that for like six or seven years. So at a certain point I'm going to have to pee. Yeah. You've, you've hacked your way into figuring out how not to do that, I'm sure.

Starting point is 00:16:45 Yeah, right. That's not diapers, right? I don't know. But I think for a lot of entrepreneurs that I'm so busy is like a mantra of success. And people, how are you? I'm so busy. Being busy is a sign that you actually don't know how to manage your shit. That's really what it means.

Starting point is 00:17:04 So I don't like that. I don't even talk to myself like I'm so busy. I'm calendared. It doesn't mean I'm busy. And what I'm looking to do is calendar time where my brain can do what it wants to do. And I can think about stuff and I can create things instead of helping others create things. So that's where I'm working right now. Something tells me that you're always going to struggle with that a bit because you are an innovator and because you're always pushing the envelope. I feel like you can always hire people to manage what you create and what you've ideated. But when you continue to innovate, they don't know what's in your head until you systemize it. So something tells me you're always going to struggle with that a bit because of that factor, right? It's definitely something that's come up.

Starting point is 00:17:52 The other thing is the more people you manage or the more people you hire to do your stuff, the more likely you're going to come across a narcissist or two or three. And if you don't spend enough time watching to see if good people have gone bad or whether you just made a really bad hire, at this point, I think I might be the king of hiring the wrong people. You have to do a few things in order for there to be a coup and for you to get removed from your own company. That includes letting the fox into the hen house. So I would say most entrepreneurs I've worked with. And do you know Naveen Jain or Vishen Lakhiani? No, I have not heard those names. So Naveen runs Viome. He's a Forbes list seven time

Starting point is 00:18:33 big exit guy and a dear friend and mentor. And Vishen runs Mindvalley, the largest personal development group. Definitely know that one. So Naveen and Vishen and I started something called the Apollo Group and we're mentoring entrepreneurs. It's a hundred thousand dollar mastermind. Spend a lot of quality time with people. It lets you really get inside an entrepreneur's head. In addition to the people who've been through 40 years of Zen, where we talk about stuff

Starting point is 00:18:56 after neuroscience activation kind of feels like plant medicine, but it's just neurofeedback. I get to go inside, not just my head, but other people's heads and really talk about it. feedback. I get to go inside, not just my head, but other people's heads and really talk about it. Every one of us has hired that one person who just about takes your organization down or does, and you have to build a new one. And so this is the thing entrepreneurs don't talk about enough because it's failure and talking about failure just makes people, it's like talking about death. Why would we ever talk about that? But the reality is it's usually a bad hire and it's not knowing the pattern

Starting point is 00:19:27 of what a narcissist does inside your organization, how they hollow it out, how they break your culture. And I've seen it enough times and I finally have the pattern where I can spot them earlier than I used to. And even then it never feels good. Damn it, did I really do that again? What's that Britney Spears song?

Starting point is 00:19:42 Oops, I did it again. Yeah, she's doing, I did it again. Yeah. She's doing it over and over again. I've got the cleanest I've ever had across my whole portfolio in terms of none of that behavior. And I'm thinking about writing a book about it just because it's so difficult to make sure you've got the right people in the right place and that no one's running that little playbook of destruction that they don't even know they're running. Yeah. That's the scary thing. I've had it. I'm sitting here nodding. I'm thinking in my head, I had this very thing happened about took down two people almost did it and they didn't know they were doing it, but cause they're, it was, they couldn't control themselves or it was just

Starting point is 00:20:19 their behaviors and different things. And look, at the end of the day, we're the leaders. So I'm the fuck up for hiring them. It's on us. Yeah. But I've developed a new technology that works really well on narcissists. And it's called the wood chipper. And you just, you feed them right into it. And it's like they make for fertile soil.

Starting point is 00:20:38 I feel so not good. The fact that you laugh means you've dealt with these people. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. And everybody listening is like going going either they're doing one or two things they're going oh what is this is this some kind of new ai or they're like me going yes can i feed them into the wood chipper i dare someone watching right now wood chipper.ai i'm sure it's not taken and make that the AI that finds the narcissists in your company so you can fire them right now. And I remember years ago, I was at, I think it was a Joe Polish event, the Genius Network, Joe Polish. And I met a guy named Ken and we were talking. I was telling him about this behavior set from one of my execs back when I was

Starting point is 00:21:24 running Bulletproof that just didn't feel right. And he looks at me and he goes, fire her right now. And I go, what? He goes, look, he goes, are we going to use my phone or your phone? I'm like, what are you talking about? And I said, okay, how did you learn all this stuff? I was like, who mentored you? He goes, Jack Welch. Jack was the chairman of GE, like one of the most badass executives of the last hundred years. Like, how did you do that?

Starting point is 00:21:51 He was like, I called him one day and asked him a good question. And we got to be friends. Holy crap. He was right. If I'd have taken his advice and just picked up the phone and I said, but I can't, I need this person for this.

Starting point is 00:22:02 He goes, if a bus hit him, what would happen? And so I teach my execs that to this day. Like if a bus were to hit someone you think you need, would the company die? And they go, no. All right. Then in this case, a bus just did hit him because we need to get rid of them

Starting point is 00:22:18 because they're harming the culture. And that was a really big shift for me. And I've also learned if you feel like you're going to die, literally, you feel like you're going to die. Not just the company would work hard, but you can't make it without them. They're almost certainly a narcissist because they do things that you and I can't see because we're normal people. And they do that to make you feel that way. And they're not even manipulating you on purpose. They're unaware they're doing it too, right? And then if you catch that feeling,

Starting point is 00:22:49 that's a really good sign something's not right. It's different than gratitude. Gratitude is, man, I'm so grateful this person's here. Like every day of my life is easier. They're doing such a great job. That's awesome. But when you think about them being gone, if like your heart seizes up,

Starting point is 00:23:02 like, God, we just can't make it without them. And there's fear, you're probably being manipulated and they don't even know they're doing it. That's why narcissists are so dangerous. You don't, they don't know in their mind, like you could literally see a narcissist. They're standing there, they're in a locked room, they're holding a knife and there's bodies everywhere and they're covered in blood. And you say, you, you, you stab those people. They go, it wasn't me. And you're like, it couldn't have been anyone else. Yeah. It wasn't me because I'm a good person. Therefore, it couldn't be me because their story about being a good person made them blind to their actions.

Starting point is 00:23:37 Understanding this is going on and they're a victim of their childhood and things like that really helps. And so just realizing you got to get rid of them. That is sometimes the most important piece of advice I can give to an entrepreneur is clean out your organization. If people don't feel right, they're not right. And it's okay. It's not your job to fix them. Powerful words, my friend. Talking with Dave Asprey, the father of biohacking. I want to talk about the 10th annual biohacking Conference here in a second, Dave. But speaking of biohacking, there's no better biohacking for the skin than Caldera Lab. This is the premium non-toxic skincare for men, clinically proven and wild harvested in Jackson, Wyoming.

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Starting point is 00:24:44 and ultimately makes you feel better that is caldera lab talk to me a lot of people listening know who you are they probably know your products but is there what's the i'm sure we could talk three hours on this but what's the success stack for dave asprey i want to get tangible with what's in Dave's tech, like the stack. And I'm talking about the minerals, the coffee. Like, what's that look like? What's the success? What do I do on a daily basis?

Starting point is 00:25:11 Yeah. All right. You got to start out and you got to brush your teeth with organic clay. And you have to brush it in an odd number, according to Fibonacci's sequence. And, okay. Here's the deal, man. according to Fibonacci's sequence. And okay.

Starting point is 00:25:29 There is no one morning routine that's going to work for everyone. Some people are meant to wake up at 4 a.m. You're one of those early bird people. In my part of the world, the early bird works for the late bird because we hire you to wake up early. Okay. So maybe that doesn't work.

Starting point is 00:25:47 So you got to do what works for your biology, but there are some things that are common for everyone. Right now, there's two supplements that you take before you do the expensive nootropics, before you take the libido and testosterone stimulating or whatever the things you're interested in. And one of them is called vitamin DAKE. It's vitamin D-A-K-E.

Starting point is 00:26:06 And funny enough, yes, you can go to vitamindake.com right now. This is something that I created. And this is a set of four fat-soluble vitamins that your body cannot change and adapt if you don't have these. If you have those and you have Minerals 101 also on the same site, so vitamindake.com, If you don't have these, if you have those and you have minerals 101 also on the same site. So vitamin date dot com, the combination of fat soluble vitamins and broad spectrum minerals equals when there's a stress, the body can adapt. Otherwise, if there's a stress and you're lacking minerals, it doesn't matter if the body wants to adapt. If you're lacking chromium or vanadium or boron or zinc or copper, the body doesn't have raw materials.

Starting point is 00:26:48 It's like you wanted to manufacture whatever your company manufactures, but you're missing an ingredient, but you had orders. You had money that came in the door, but you're not making it. Your body's the same way. So if people would just get mineral sufficiency and they would get the fat soluble vitamins that tell the minerals where to go. Now you've taken the gloves off and you can start saying, all right, I'm going to take a nootropic. So I take those every single morning. I get my broad spectrum minerals in. I sound like I'm selling my own stuff because I am because I'm an entrepreneur and because it works because I built it because I couldn't buy it.

Starting point is 00:27:19 I go to Danger Coffee. Danger Coffee has the very broad spectrum trace minerals and electrolytes in it. And it tastes like the world's most danger coffee. Danger coffee has the very broad spectrum trace minerals and electrolytes in it. And it tastes like the world's most amazing coffee. I did not spoil the flavor with weird mushroom cannabis extracts or some other crap like that. You can take those in pills if you want to. What that is, danger coffee for trace minerals 101 for the broadrum minerals and vitamin DAKE. You start with that. Now, should you have breakfast? I don't care. Yes, I've written a major book, actually two major books on intermittent fasting, but you can skip breakfast if you need that kind of input today. If you over-skip breakfast because you think skipping breakfast is what good people do,

Starting point is 00:28:03 then you'll probably overfast. You know what happens to people when they overfast? Lose too much weight? If only. I would have loved it if fasting made me. It turns out if you fast too much, you probably won't keep losing weight. In fact, you might stop losing weight. So here's the first thing. It's different for men and women because women hit the wall first. But the first thing is you start getting low quality sleep. So if you just traveled around the world, maybe you ran a marathon because you're a masochist. Yeah, I'm making fun of cardio. Get a motorcycle, dude. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:28:40 Electric scooter. Man, I just pissed off everyone, but I'm just kidding. I appreciate if you run a marathon to show you're tough. If you run 50 of them, you're probably not treating your body well. So we're talking about, I don't know, you were asking me some other stuff there. No, your success stack, everything. I want to know what's in there. I'm trying to,

Starting point is 00:29:10 I'm trying to right now, just get a picture for people. All right. I'm going to back up a little bit. If you, if you're working on what to do in the morning, you do those things, you have breakfast or you don't have breakfast. If you don't have enough breakfast, for women and men, our sleep goes away. If you're tracking your sleep on an Oura Ring or a Whoop or something like that, great. If you're not, let me just pause for a second. Dumbass. At this point, if you're not waking up getting your heart rate variability readiness score from whatever your tech is, why are you not doing that? It is so cheap. It's so easy. And this tells you whether what you're doing is working in total. Just like you look at your bank

Starting point is 00:29:50 statement at the end of the month or the end of the day and go, I wonder what's going on. If you don't do that, you probably won't have a business for very long. So this is how you track whether the sum of what you're doing is working. You're going to see your readiness go down and your sleep quality is going to get worse. Over fasting, over keto, or going vegan for a very long period of time, all of those will do that. First is sleep. Second, for women, they hit it first. They end up having irregular monthly cycles that didn't used to be irregular. For guys, we wake up without a kickstand. And then the thing, if you keep doing it because you know skipping breakfast makes you a good person, well, then you start shedding hair.

Starting point is 00:30:29 And men and women both do that. Should you wake up and skip breakfast? If you could use the benefits of intermittent fasting today, yes. There is no ideal fasting window. It depends on your state today. That's why my book is called Fast This Way. And I've taught about 100,000 people how to change their fast. Women have to actually change it based on their monthly cycle. And all of us have to change it based on our stress levels. So if you worked out real hard and you lifted heavy and you're not going to eat for 48 hours, you probably didn't do yourself any

Starting point is 00:30:59 favors. So I'm just going to tell you the morning, what did you do last night? How are you feeling? What's your goals for today? And I tune my morning that way. I do take nootropics just about every single day. I take stress adaptogens. I take a handful of longevity enhancing supplements. By the way, I just got my longevity panels back. This is when you measure your chronological age versus your biological age. And in the last year, I lost another year. That means that even though the calendar advanced a year, I went backwards by two years, which is cool. I'm now 12 years younger than my actual age. This is very confusing, Ryan. You think about this, the calendar says I'm 51, but my lab tests say I'm 38 or whatever that is, 39, so it's 12 years. So if I identify as being 39 and people continue to label me without even asking me my desired in my head age, it's very triggering. You think about it, right? So every time I fill out my driver's license, they ask me for my age and stuff like that. And I feel very judged right now. Is there a pronoun for that?

Starting point is 00:32:16 Exactly. It's one of those things where I actually had a guest on my show a while back and as one who is a friend, but it's a little bit on the woke side of things. And I said, I was filling out your survey and it had a spot for my gender, but you didn't let me identify my age. And that was followed by this long apology for it. And I was laughing because like, you can't change the date you were born,

Starting point is 00:32:40 but your body really can be 10 or 20 years younger by a variety of measures. I'm a leader in the longevity field. And I'll tell you, if you have a business doing north of a million dollars a year and you're not spending at least $25,000 a year on being younger, it's because you're bad at math. And even if you think it only has a 50% chance of working, you're still crazy for not doing it. Because imagine

Starting point is 00:33:06 this, you get another 20 years of lifespan, compound interest for another 20 years, that's going to do for you? Just that alone, right? And on top of that, without even looking at compound interest and the things like that, it's the quality of life, the energy you have for all that time. That's worth it. Because if you want to be able to be a mom or a dad, you want to be able to be present for your kids and your community and your family. And you want to be able to just do the things that matter in your life. And if you're tired all the time and your body hurts, it sucks. And you're going to yell at your kids and you're going to fire someone who doesn't need firing or you're going to be mean to a partner. It's just it's not necessary.

Starting point is 00:33:54 And that's why longevity matters, because you get more now and you're probably going to get a lot more later. But even if you don't, you'll be glad you did it. I spent 20 percent of my income since my mid-20s working on that. Yeah, because you don't want to live long. You want to live long. I don't want to be 90 years old just to be 90. I want to be 90 years old and doing pretty much what I want to be able to do. And if you make all that money, that's what I understand about.

Starting point is 00:34:21 And most CEOs, I think, have caught on to this, successful ones. You're making all this money to provide for your family and to have time and freedom and do all these things. But you aren't going to be around to enjoy the benefits of that, the time benefits, all that, if you aren't taking care of yourself. Many entrepreneurs, especially, they're working 90-hour weeks. They're providing for their families and never seeing their families and things like that. It doesn't feel good. And I've had so many of those guys come in and we sit down, hook electrodes up to their head and see what's going on.

Starting point is 00:34:54 And there's actually a lot of suffering in there. A lot of it. I did what I was supposed to do here, but I didn't have any fun along the way. And when you're an entrepreneur too, everyone's counting on you. I mean, you might have, I certainly do, hundreds of people relying on me for their household income. And that's a serious responsibility. It's a commitment. And the number of times when, you know, things don't go according to plan, COVID and whatever else, and you have to have that phone call with someone and say, I know you did all you could,

Starting point is 00:35:24 and I did all I could, and we don't have a job anymore, I didn't elect these clowns. And sometimes we made a bet or I made a bet, right? And we thought it was going to go this way and it didn't go that way. And that never feels good. And actually it hurts to do that. You're taking on a huge responsibility. And if you're going to be able to bear that weight, you better have that energy now. And most of the time when I tell someone I'm going to live to 180 or more, they think I'm nuts. Hold on a second. There's some assumptions that went into this. Number one, I already know we can do 120 because someone's already done it. And that person couldn't spell DNA because it hadn't been invented. They didn't have antibiotics for the first part of their life. World War I was fought with horses. Okay. We actually had Calvary.

Starting point is 00:36:15 Okay. That person was alive for all that stuff. What the heck? They didn't have airplanes. They hadn't been invented yet. Okay. So on computers, AI, nothing. So I'm pretty sure we can do 50% better than that over the next hundred years, unless a comet hits the planet or something like that. Or maybe we'll just spray enough glyphosate and natrazine that humans are unable to reproduce that I'm more concerned about than I am carbon or something like that. Although carbon is a solvable problem. We have this neat technology called cows that makes soil that soaks up carbons. I look at these long-term problems

Starting point is 00:36:49 because I'm going to be around that long and I'm working on solving them. If you think you're going to die when you're 80 and the last 20 years, you're not going to know your name anyway because you're going to put your car keys in the fridge and you're going to be in a wheelchair with diapers and tubes and all that stuff.

Starting point is 00:37:02 That's what most people think getting old is. A skin so thin you can see through it. That's not my world. And if you realize that there are people, I know because I was mentored by these people, who are in their 80s and 90s who have an active sex life, are having more fun than ever. They actually have wisdom because they stop worrying about all the stuff that we worry about when we're 20 and 30 and 40 and 50. But you have the energy of a young person and the wisdom of an old person. That's a powerful place to be, especially if you still have the body of a 30 year old. And that's what we're building.

Starting point is 00:37:39 There's no reason we can't do this other than some people think it's not possible. reason we can't do this other than some people think it's not possible other than some industries that will actively try to block you because it makes you not as good of a pharmaceutical consumer and things like that but it's going to happen anyway and the cool thing is if it doesn't happen here in the u.s it'll happen in uh in dubai or abu dhabi or Singapore, Med City in India. And guys like you and me and your audience, we'll hop on a plane, we'll fly somewhere and we'll come back with gene therapy. Oh, wait, I already did that. I got gene therapy six weeks ago, maybe six weeks, maybe two months ago. That'll take an average of nine years off of your measured age in your cells from one single injection. So you might say, wait, that's science fiction. No, it's not. I just did a whole two-hour

Starting point is 00:38:32 podcast on it. And what? You can do that? Yeah. I'm now working with that company on other longevity targets. This is reversible. It doesn't get inherited by anyone, but it's already happening. Yes, it's expensive. That's a $25,000 treatment. But if it takes 10 years off your biological age, and some people it takes much more off. If it takes one year off,

Starting point is 00:38:58 you wouldn't pay 25 grand for a year. I would. Exactly. And this is, by the way, just Google Dave Asprey gene therapy. I'm sure the episode will come up on my show. But like this stuff is real and people just don't think it's real, Ryan. And it drives me nuts. I've always lived in the future. I do my best to make it. And you go back to the 90s. No one thought e-commerce was a thing. And there's that article in Entrepreneur. And we didn't call it e-commerce because the name e-commerce was a thing. And there's that article in Entrepreneur,

Starting point is 00:39:25 and we didn't call it e-commerce because the name e-commerce hadn't been created yet. Like what? Cloud computing didn't have a name, right? So these are all recent innovations in human history, right? And it's only getting faster and faster. Every 73 days, the amount of biological information we have about ourselves doubles. No doctor on earth can ever know all of it. Only an AI system can do it. And that's why Upgrade Labs, my franchise company, is doing what it does because we're using AI to tell you, here's what to do, whether it's to get rid of exercise. You can still exercise. It just takes five minutes and you get 90, actually, no, you get 12 times better results in five minutes than you do from an hour of cardio. Like I would do 12 times better even if I had to do an hour of cardio, but it turns

Starting point is 00:40:16 out if you do six minutes, you get worse results in five minutes. So there you go. Diminishing returns. Let's do that. So as we close out here, Dave, I could talk to you forever. I do want to talk about the 10th Annual Biohacking Conference that's coming up. Oh, yeah, let's talk about that. Tell me about it. Tell me about it.

Starting point is 00:40:34 You're 10 years in. What do people expect? What's it all about? So biohacking is a new word in the English language. In 2018, they added it. And it is now a $10 billion plus industry. And I started it at a bar in San Francisco with 100 people about a decade ago. This is our 10th annual conference, end of May 30th, June 1st kind of time. It's a three-day conference in Dallas.

Starting point is 00:40:59 Go to biohackingconference.com. Going to be somewhere around 3,000 people and more than 100 vendors with all the stuff that you use to build the mind, the body, and the performance that you want. There'll be major figures in longevity and what to eat to perform well, and just a lot of curiosity. But most of all, a lot of people who are just saying, I am in control of my own biology. And that means if you want to be an entrepreneur, OK, there's some things you probably care about. You want to be a fitness competitor. You care about different things.

Starting point is 00:41:32 You want to be the world's best meditator. These are all just different aspects of control to make our hardware and our software do what matters most to us. So you'll come out of there and just be inspired. to us. So you'll come out of there and just be inspired. So we're talking everything from breath work, some conversations about psychedelics, about other altered states work that doesn't require any pharmaceuticals or any plant medicines, all the way down to, all right, let's have the conversation about why eating some grass fed meat is probably better than industrial meat. It is. And why, if you don't do that at all, you need to at least be a vegetarian because if you're a vegan,

Starting point is 00:42:06 it's not going to end well for you. I know this because I was a raw vegan and it trashed me like it does for most people. Just some real serious conversation about the science, about what's real versus what's marketing and curiosity and acceptance of whatever the heck it is you're deciding is going to work. Let's talk about it.

Starting point is 00:42:21 It'll be the most fun you ever have. Biohackingconference.com. I'm glad you moved it to Dallas from San Francisco. Yeah, there's only one of them in San Francisco and it wouldn't be safe to do in San Francisco now because we'd all be injecting peptides and then they would think all of our needles were for street drugs. So it would just be confusing. Dave, I love that you tell it like it is, brother. That's the one thing that I do respect. Look, we can all have disagreements about things and people can agree with you or not agree with you.

Starting point is 00:42:57 But look, until we don't live in America, you get to speak your mind and tell what your truth is. And let me tell you, the success speaks for itself because Dave's truth is a lot of the truth. I appreciate you. I'm probably wrong about some of it and I'm willing to be proven wrong. And thanks for a fun interview. And I'll just say, guys, if any of this triggered you, it means you're walking around with a loaded gun. And I'm in Texas. I'm fine if you walk around with a loaded gun. But if you can be triggered carrying a loaded gun, you should get a therapist. And that's what it means. So it's all right to think different. But if it pushed your buttons, seriously, grow up.

Starting point is 00:43:29 I think our audience probably digged it more. We probably didn't trigger too many. We probably sold some minerals and some biohacking carnage. I'm sitting here looking at my calendar. But I got to tell you this. I know we're signing off. But the reason it's called Danger Coffee is because who knows what you might do? That's what dangerous people do. They change the world. And it's the safe ones that just say, yes, sir, may I have another? And we just aren't that kind of people

Starting point is 00:43:52 or we wouldn't be entrepreneurs. That's why it's called. Dave, we've dropped a lot. We'll have all of it in the show notes. Is there a singular site for finding all of this? I have a feeling it might be daveasprey.com, but I want to hear it from you. You got it. It's on DaveAsprey.com. And I'm redoing that to make it easier to find stuff. There's 3,000 posts. There's 1,200 hours of podcasts with 400 million downloads. It's a lot of work. So I'm making it easier and easier. And I'm almost done building the Dave bot that has all my content in it. Dave, can we do this again? Absolutely. Happy to.

Starting point is 00:44:27 I'd love to do this a couple of times a year. You always have such great insights and it's been a pleasure having you on. And I know our audience will enjoy it. Thank you, brother. Thanks, Ryan. Anytime. And if you want to learn from me directly, join my newsletter, ryanoffer.com backslash newsletter.

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