Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Devan Kline - Founder of Burn Boot Camp
Episode Date: August 15, 2023In this exciting interview, Ryan sits down with Devan Kline, the unstoppable force behind Burn Boot Camp. Be prepared to be inspired as Devan shares his personal journey in health and fitness, and how... he's transformed the lives of countless families through purpose, passion, and community.We dive into Devan's energetic and enthusiastic approach to health and fitness. Discover how he's created a one-of-a-kind fitness franchise that focuses on building strength through consistency, discipline, and dedication. But that's not all - Devan's incredible success with his franchise units is just the beginning. Tune in to hear about his exciting plans for growth, with a "people first" mindset. He's all about making a positive impact and ensuring a return on investment for his franchise partners in new areas. Listen and learn!Devan is an entrepreneur whose passion for health and fitness led to the success of his fitness franchise, Burn Boot Camp. (02:13)Devan provides an enthusiastic approach to health and fitness, focusing on creating a differentiating product and helping people become stronger through consistency, discipline, and dedication. (08:28)Devan has seen huge success with his franchise units, and is looking to grow even further with a "people first" mentality, focusing on distribution and expanding into new areas to return an ROI for his franchise partners. (16:02)Devan and Ryan share their strategies for scaling a business and building brand recognition, emphasizing the importance of investing in growth, setting big goals and creating equity through smart tactics. (21:20)Burn Brand strives to engage its customers through an energetic, enthusiastic voice, inviting them to share their stories and become the best version of themselves. (27:45)Ryan and Devan discuss the franchise process of Burn Boot Camp, encouraging potential franchisees to validate themselves and providing mentorship opportunities for young entrepreneurs. (30:55)If you want to learn more about Devan Kline, follow him on Instagram @devan.kline, YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/BurnBootCamp/videos and his website https://burnbootcamp.com/.Learn more by visiting our website at www.theradcast.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/RadicalHomeofTheRadcastIf you enjoyed this episode of The Radcast, Like, Share, and leave us a review! If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE. Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding. Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford.
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I said hallelujah to the 16th oil fields.
You're getting down on your knees.
He said it's time for you to get down.
Cause I'm not doing what you need now.
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Here's your host, Ryan Alford.
Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We say if it's radical,
we cover it. And you know, we're talking burn, baby burn. We're talking with Devin Klein,
CEO and founder of Burn Bootcamp. What's up, Devin?
What's up, everybody? What's up, everybody?
Hey, Ryan, good to see you, man.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, man.
Pumped.
Literally, figuratively, there's going to be so many puns on this episode.
I'm pumped up.
I figured you were hitting the gym based on your energy levels, number one. I don't even need to see you to know how much energy you have to know that you're hitting
the gym.
And then I see you, I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
He's jacked up.
Keep it going, man.
46 strong.
I don't know.
I'm sure for you, probably some of your passion, I know I've read about you, but it's once
you get the bug.
And I mean, I've been like this.
The all-fords, I think, are naturally wired this way.
My dad worked out all the time when I was growing up.
And my sister's the same way.
It's just like oxygen for us.
Even if it's 20 minutes, just getting it in.
Yeah, I think having something that is the anchor to your day.
It's one of the most challenging things you can do in a day is physically move your body.
We all know.
We've all felt it before, right?
You go physically move your body.
You feel the emotion, the energy,
the endorphins that are coming after that.
Runners know it well from runner's high.
When you do a burn bootcamp
or you get like a great lift in the gym,
you just feel that energy.
So we really lead with that, right?
We're not just a fitness company.
We're a lot more than that.
Obviously, working out is the anchor
to all the things, the mind, the mental,
the emotional, the spiritual,
the relationships even.
You can anchor yourself inside of that every day.
We try to teach our members that and heck, I had to do it too.
That's right.
I know we could probably cut it up.
We'll probably have parts one, two, and three of this.
We'll get into the functional exercise parts of life and maybe I'll have you on my vacay
podcast to talk some of the more
specific things around fitness and wellness. There's so much there with how it's all tied
together. But let's back up a second, Devin. Burns certainly becoming a fairly household name. I
think if anyone's heard of fitness and studios, they know that, especially around the Southeast
and elsewhere. And I know you're based close to out of Charlotte, but Devin, let's just tee it up for everybody on your background and get into where and how and why we started Burn Bootcamp.
Yeah, so I'll take you back and I'll make it quick, but I'll take you back to the beginning.
So I grew up in Battle Creek, Michigan.
My mom and my dad were like doing this, button heads.
They're chaotic and abusive relationship.
Dad ended up in jail.
Mom ended up leaving when I was a teenager. And unfortunately, he ended up passing away. My mom was still,
unfortunately, I forgive her. She's out there somewhere. Just come back. We can talk.
And I had this entrepreneur DNA kind of growing up. It's either out of, what do they say? It's
either out of desperation that you start something, right?
Or it's out of the ambition that you start something.
And mine was really out of desperation.
And I just didn't want to be the broke kid anymore, right?
I didn't want to be the kid that was on welfare
that had to, couldn't get the chocolate milk in the line,
like the rest of the kids.
And so that was ingrained in me from a very early age,
12 years old, a classic DNA as a kid of an entrepreneur,
shoveling driveways.
That was my first franchise.
Slaying in CDs, burning CDs, all the things.
And moving into, I found out that I had a good arm.
I was a pitcher.
And so I kind of set all of that down.
My last venture was, in my teenage years,
was eBay arbitrage.
So I was flipping cars on eBay,
buying them with cash,
marking them up 50%, flipping them, driving cars to Detroit to meet people at the airport to flip
cars. And then boom, I got this college baseball scholarship. All that went away. I set it down
and I just focused solely on baseball. I always wanted to make the big leagues.
And so anyways, six years, I'm playing
college baseball, professional baseball, ended up signing a pro baseball contract with the San
Francisco Giants. And then out of nowhere, I had a little injury, but I didn't think it was going
to derail my career. Out of nowhere, I just get released from the Giants. And this is when I'm
23 years old. And I've worked my whole life to be a professional baseball player. I remember since I was a kid, five years old, this is all I wanted to do.
And so if anybody out there is an athlete, that void or a part of a club or a team or
anything where you share a common mission and a common language and a common bond, and
then that all of a sudden is removed from you and you're taken out of that culture,
if you will, there's this huge void.
And I wanted to fill the
void with, I wanted to make money, but I also wanted to make money doing something that I love
to do. And I wasn't ever the most talented ballplayer, but always worked the hardest.
I always said I was the best teammate and really had a great attitude, great effort,
really believed in myself, had to. If no one around you believes in you because who your family is and where you come from,
then there's two people, there's two entities.
It's you and whoever your maker is.
And so for me, it was God and I.
I was like, dude, it's you and I.
We just do this together.
And we bet on ourselves and I bet on myself.
And after I got released, I'm like, I'm just gonna,
I had a little stint at Lifestyle Family Fitness.
Being a personal trainer schooled me to the game. And then we can get into that later.
But I stopped doing that. We moved to Charlotte. Morgan, my wife, CEO, who I've known since we were 12 years old. She's my rock growing up. She gets a job from Southwest Florida up to Charlotte
and I follow her. And I'm like, when I get there,
I'm going to see you're going to go work for Kellogg's.
I'm going to start my own company.
We started in a parking lot in 2012.
I had 600 bucks to my name.
Morgan was paying my cell phone bill, our rent.
She's paying all the things on her pretty decent Kellogg's salary.
About eight months in, she saw what I was doing.
She was helping me out in the evenings and in the mornings, like working two jobs. And Morgan ended up about eight months in, she saw what I was doing. She was helping me out in the evenings and in the
mornings, like working two jobs. And Morgan ended up about eight months in joining me full time.
Then fast forward to 2015, we have five locations, two licensees, one in Durham,
North Carolina, one in Concord, North Carolina. And we had seven gyms going into 2015.
And by the way, just real quick, Bird Boot Camp is 45 minutes.
And you have pretty much a camp every hour on the hour led by certified personal trainers.
Morgan and I have done over 20,000 camps ourselves.
And then we ended up catching fire and we ended up franchising that model.
We have Child Watch at all of our facilities, which really differentiates us.
But to me, the fitness product is the differentiator.
And we've really focused in on that.
Like product sells itself
that we never have to be competing with other...
We don't have to compete.
We get a chance to dominate.
And so 2015 rolls around.
We hang a banner up in one of our gyms
now awarding franchises in all states.
We did 200 units in the first 18 months of all of our members that were just raving fans of the brand.
And they jumped to the next city and then eventually to the next state and so on.
The whole time, Morgan and I are, you know, seating locations in Florida, Tennessee and North Carolina.
And yeah, next thing it's like, boom, burn is one of the biggest
fitness concepts on the planet. And we're doing it in what I believe to be a really sustainable,
really long-term focused way. So I'll stop there, but I wanted to give everyone a
quick little background of myself, the business, everything we're into.
I love it, man. I think it's fascinating. I've had a few guests recently that have had that
kind of transformation. They've been an athlete, they've played professionally or at a high level. I went through the same thing playing basketball from sixth grade to 12th grade. D1 athlete, shattered my ankles. My last playoff game of my senior year, never played again.
but channeling the energy and grit and what it took to work hard to get to there generally translates into business or elsewhere.
So it sounds you were really able to do that with the passion of health and fitness.
Yeah. And you know, yourself, you felt the same thing I did.
And so many athletes feel that, your guests included that you mentioned.
And what I've seen is that it's actually really extreme, right?
There's a few of those athletes that are able to
take what they learned in sport, the leadership qualities, the qualities of teamwork and really
ownership, like in, especially in baseball, like stats, like there's a direct translation of finance
from baseball because everything is measured by numbers and you don't get to just pretend that
you're good because you throw hard or look good and pass the eye test. Doesn't matter. Like you, my walk to strikeout ratio was one of the reasons why I think I got released.
Walking too many guys, throwing too many balls.
And, you know, what we look for now is those, that's my number one recruit.
Like, I don't care what your resume says.
I don't care whether you've got a high school diploma or you graduated college or not, or
whether you came from the Wharton School of Business or Harvard Law, it doesn't matter.
If you've got that grit and I can see that you've got this void from being an athlete
and you need a home for that, man, I'm telling you, I think there's probably
a near 6,000 employees in our system now between myself and the rest of our franchise partners who
employ them. And there is a lot of athletes. I don't have the exact numbers. People are attracted to this
culture because they can see the parity in their former team. They can see it here.
And it's very rare in business to have it be so similar.
What's the... What developed the protocol? You about bootcamps got huge. I don't remember what it was.
I've been a fitness guy myself for a while and have done different bootcamps.
And I never got into CrossFit, but like CrossFit or whatever, but like, how did you develop
your core approach to building the product of your business, which is the bootcamp itself?
Yeah. Answering that question through the entrepreneur's lens, right? I've always
believed that, and you can see this in modern day products like Tesla, for example, there's not a
lot of marketing needed there because the product is the differentiator. You don't see Tesla
commercials often, if ever, they likely will get pressure from stakeholders at some point and begin
to market and to commercialize their product.
But up until this point, the product's the differentiator and it's the same for us.
And if I was going to lead the company, then I was going to lead it to where we really want to go, which is 10,000 units across the globe.
What you're going to need to do is create the best product that is second to none to anyone else.
that is second to none to anyone else. And that takes a lot of work because there's a lot of great concept and products and different opportunities. It's everywhere. In today's society, you almost
have to be not looking for health and fitness if you're not healthy and fit. It's because it's just
going to knock on your door regardless of whether you want it or not. And so that's a competitive
environment, probably one of the most competitive environments out there in terms of a business sector, because the barrier of entry is so low
and it's sexy, right? To be a trainer, to be in fitness and to be inspiring people,
impacting people, changing their lives. It's a business that gives you a ton of purpose.
So I put those two things together, right? How do we create, how do we make a lot of money and
how do we help a lot of people? And the number one philosophy is that the product is the differentiator.
And so to this day, as the visionary, my wife is the CEO. I'm not the CEO of the company,
technically. I'm the visionary. She's the CEO. She integrates it. She's got all the VPs that
rule to her. I'm up and out. I'm net new territory. And part of that net new territory is staying
number one. And it's at least our perspective that our fitness product is the reason why we're here today.
It wasn't our operational prowess, our experience, our C-suite team that had 27 years
experience. It was because we were fitness people. And I was a trainer and I did 15,000 camps and
Morgan did 10,000. We spent the first half perfecting it. We spent the second half of
those camps teaching other people. And I'm still training today once a month, maybe once every other month,
because I think it's so important as a fitness engineer to continue to focus on the craft that
got us here. And we lose that and you lose the essence of the brand. You lose the core focus
of the brand and everything starts to break down from there. So the only, if you, if I look around and I observe companies that begin
to maybe crumble or go the opposite way, the first thing that goes is the leadership's oversight on
the actual product itself and they let it go too far. And that's just the beginning of the house
of cards. Interesting. Yeah. How. Differentiate. How did you differentiate? My advice.
How did you differentiate?
So you differentiate your product
by not giving the competitors a seat at your table
when you're building it.
Don't do things because they do it
or against what they do
or trying to fill the market that they don't fill.
I didn't even know of an Orange Theory
or an F45 or whatever when we first.
And I just did what I thought
would empower families in my community and provide the solution that was the problem.
So the original days of it were really a combination of a couple of things.
Number one, what got me thinking about it was P90X. I saw Tony... I did the whole P90X program
and I saw Tony Horton just like crushing it as a
trainer I'm like this guy is so freaking cool like I want to be like him how do I help people like
this and how do I do it in a way that's like his type of attitude right hey we're here to work hard
when you work hard you're going to get results when you get results you're going to gain confidence
when you gain confidence you gain character and life is all about who you're becoming, not what you're getting. And I saw that inside of myself, inside of him.
And so there's a lot of P90X-esque conditioning body weight moves that are a part of the program.
Then you got professional and collegiate strength and conditioning. You got myself
and the football team and the basketball team and the baseball team at Central Michigan University,
all just playing and banging weights in the weight room, right?
Like that type of cheering each other on.
You know what it's like.
You're in the weight room and you're with your boys.
Guys, you're getting after it.
You're trying to win a championship.
It's load them up, load the barn up.
Let's go see what Klein's got today.
You got it.
And that guy's spotting you and 10 guys behind you cheering you on.
So we brought that type of culture, mix it with P90X. And then you take pitching
specifically, and there's a lot of recovery nuances, a lot of longevity nuances, a lot of,
we really care about that stuff, right? Because we couldn't be, we couldn't have our product be
our differentiator if we weren't focused on longevity, right?
We tell people like, this is going to be long, hard, and difficult.
And it's going to take consistency and discipline and dedication.
You're not going to do it in 30, 60, 90 days.
Likely, you're not going to wake up one day and it'll be strong as an ox.
It's going to take five years.
And are you in for this ride?
Do you believe that you're worth it?
And so we have that recovery element
built in because what we're telling people is that it's the opposite of what everyone else is
saying really in the macro sense of, hey, come do this fast. Oh, you're not okay? That's okay.
Let's come in any way, do it fast, join the membership. You can lose 30 pounds real quick.
And it's okay. That's flat. You get companies that say one day it says they're signed on their
building. The next day it says for lease.
And you're like, why is that happening?
So, yeah, I think that's, yeah, that's a combination of.
Sounds like.
You sprinkle a little bit of bigger.
You do sprinkle a little bit of bigger, faster, stronger in there from my high school days too.
If anybody's ever heard of that program.
Oh, yeah.
I remember.
I was sitting here thinking as you were talking,
ICR, Intensity Community Recovery.
That's what I thought.
Dude, I'm gonna...
That is right.
That's it in a nutshell.
My answer was real long-winded.
I simplify for a bit in marketing geologics. I like acronyms and simplicity.
It's great. I mean, but that sounds like the building blocks of a long-term program and not,
like you said, a gimmick because everybody gets that fire when they're ready to,
okay, I need to lose some weight. I've got an event coming up, whatever.
They get fire in their belly, but then it dies
if you don't have the building blocks of something broader.
You need the community to keep you in it.
You need the recovery because if you're chilling yourself
and not recovering at all, then they get down and out, like you said.
So I can see, and all I know is the periphery.
And I've heard, I've had people many times,
you do burn, whatever.
So I'm going to make a promise to you that I'll go,
I'm going to go hit burn up here at Greenville eventually.
But what's it been like growing the business, man?
Just that kind of scale is incredible.
What's that roller coaster been like?
Definitely one, right? In 2015, when we announced that we were going to franchise in all 50 states,
we thought heading to all-run might be awarding 10 units in our first year and really getting
those stood up. And we were always concerned with unit economics. I'll talk about that in a minute.
But I had no idea that we would do 200 in the first 18 months.
And Fran did this article out of Franchise Times Magazine. It was one of our first earned media
pieces that was talking about business that I was super proud of. And it said that we're in the 99th
percent of all growth from all franchises of any franchise that entered the market since 2010.
And this was like 18 months in
and I'm like, okay, we better not screw this up then. So how do we get all of these gyms open?
We got to focus on, we call it ULEs, unit level economics. You had a guest on, Jeff Duden,
who's from this area. He taught me this actually. He's been a good friend and mentor of mine
throughout the years. He taught me validation and franchising. And that's in validation really in any business.
It's not a franchise particular concept,
but it's the stakeholders of your business being happy.
It's your debt promoter score.
How likely are they to recommend this business
or doing business with you to somebody else?
And number one thing is,
number one box to check, if you will,
is are they making money?
And what type of money are they making?
So I'm always looking for a,
this might be something people want to write down because I'll give you a strategy.
What I'm looking for in any business I grow is an investment. Let's say the investment is at
$500,000. I need to make a million dollars in year one in order for that investment to be
considered an A-plus investment for me. So it's a two-to-one investment cash
to year one revenue ratio.
And that's how we want to get
every location out of the gate.
Do all of them do that? No.
But what that's really done,
having that expectation,
is we've aligned clearly and early
with our franchise partners
who are really driving the unit-level economics.
We've learned that when we have that expectation,
they start higher,
they start with more members, they start better off. And getting to that when we have that expectation, they start higher, they start with
more members, they start better off. And getting to that place of having world-class economics and
boutique fitness was a long road, but definitely a doable one because that was our focus the whole
time from the very beginning. The big, what the hell are we going to do moment was when we had
200 and we had 10 open. In franchising, it's similar to
fitness, what we were just talking about. Everyone wants to just go fast, fast. It is a vehicle for
scale. I love the vehicle for scale, but you can also scale yourself right into the ground.
And you see that happen all the time in this industry, particularly the industry that I'm in,
the boutique fitness franchising industry. It's a, think about it.
It's logical, right?
Like I care about my people so much.
This isn't about money for me.
This is about my franchise partners
who invested their 401k,
who invested their life savings,
who liquidated their stocks 10 years
before they wanted to,
sold their house and moved across the state,
who left their family in North Carolina
and moved to Missouri
and stayed in a hotel room
for three months away from their children
so they could go chase their dream.
This is all about returning an ROI for them.
And with that type of mindset,
that real people first core value,
we're able to take what's in the gym,
translate that up to a franchise partner network,
translate that into an HQ culture.
Now we're on the East Coast
or on the West Coast,
by coastal headquarters,
operating the business that way. And where economics are better than they've ever been. We use annual unit volumes as a measure in franchising, how much each individual
gym makes on average. And we'll be up near the 600s at the end of the year, which is top three
in our space. So people first, like people first. And I'm going to preach that to the day
that Morgan and I hang them up,
which we're in the big leagues now.
So I'm going to stay as long as we can.
You take care of people, they take care of you.
That's how, that's usually.
That's right.
Reciprocation is powerful
just when you're trying to do the right thing.
What you said you started,
I heard licensing in there.
I talked to Jeff about this a little bit.
Licensing versus franchising versus the thought process there. And you mentioned it. If you
aren't serving your franchisees, then what are you doing as far as growing the business? Because
again, if you're servicing them, they're making money, they're happy. You get more franchisees and you grow. But what's it
like? Truly, what's been some of the secret sauce to scaling like that? Now that you've done it,
was there stuff that you would have gone, damn, I wish I had done that sooner? Or what are some
of those learning lessons? Definitely, the number one thing is that you're going to scale your
business fast. You want to invest
ahead of that growth curve. You've got to anticipate that. I heard Tony Robbins once
say that anticipation is the ultimate power for any entrepreneur. And if you're able to
see over the hill before anyone else can, you can see the horizon over the horizon when no one else
can. Your ability to navigate your way there is geometrically enhanced. And so what I always try to do is set big goals
for the system, starting with unit economic goals, and then set more broad range targets.
So I stepped on the stage at our summit in 2021, and I said, we're going to build 10,000 units to
the moon. And half my system was like, because we're a competitive culture, they were like,
let's go. They're all pumped up.
And the other half was like, how the hell are we going to do that?
I don't know.
I trust you.
That's a lot of units, right?
It's like, how are we going to do that?
The beauty is I don't need to know how we're going to do it.
I just need to know that's a big enough why, there's a big enough purpose because the people you're impacting in your community are also in other countries and they deserve the same
thing.
They deserve a people first business product.
And, but we're only going to do that through you guys. How we're going to do that is
focus all of our energy on putting more money into your pockets so that as a franchisee,
you're able to get those AUVs up and then reinvest into the brand.
So for us, just to give you a lay of the landscape, like Byrne Brands, that's Byrne
Bootcamp and that's the front runner. That's the spearhead. Franchising really is about distribution. So now we come in and we have a nutrition business
underneath, an activewear business underneath, a real estate business underneath, an investment
company underneath that takes non-passive, non-controlling stakes and companies that
we're partnered with. And you start to think about secular franchises and other opportunities
now that you have the infrastructure and the distribution. And that makes the return on investment for the franchisees
even more important and putting more chips in our basket. So our opportunities
get bigger as we go forward. Yeah. That's what it is. Just for anybody listening,
Bird Bootcamp as a brand or Bird as a brand, the way you grow brand awareness isn't always just advertising.
When you have 200, 400, 500, 1,000 locations and the signage and the in-market marketing and word of mouth, it grows the brand.
It's rich in frequency at the highest level with that distribution
there's a lot of way to grow brand recognition and brand awareness that's not always just
advertising in its truest sense because every new location that throws up a sign and community for
bird builds the bird brand yeah i love i love your marketing mind. And if I had to pick a...
I'm an entrepreneur, right? But if I had to pick a vertical that I'm most confident in,
definitely be branding, I think as a more specific term than marketing.
And when I say branding, what I really mean is measuring things like brand equity.
Pier 1 Imports is a good example. Pier 1 Imports went out of business and then their logo sold for 50 million and they were just burning cash, right?
If your real estate portfolio is burning cash, unless you have some brand equity, some recognizable logo or something that's going to sustain it, it just crashes.
There's nothing, there's obvious that owning your own business,
number one, a brand,
or number two, real estate portfolio,
arguably are one of the two best ways
to build the wealth initially.
And I always put brand equity just slightly ahead
because I've got something,
I've got a logo that means something to people,
even though the brick and mortars aren't there anymore.
And so for me, it's always been about
when marketers try to measure this,
but I think it's just them trying to be smart.
It's like smoke and mirrors.
And I said, try to measure like brand lip.
It's okay.
Yes, what you're talking about, right?
Is okay, all the impressions from the signage,
all the impressions from social media,
all the impressions from word of mouth
or one time in the mountains
when Aunt Susie said something to Uncle Tim and Uncle Tim then takes his family in Seattle, Washington.
You can't really measure a brand lift unless you isolate variables so finitely that it disregards
all the things that actually create the brand lift. So I don't know if anybody is ever confused
by brand lift. I'm a branding expert and I still don't get it. But that's what you're talking about
is how does the collective touch points or the collective
eyeballs on your brand, Gary Vee says attention is currency, right?
And he's so right.
What he's really saying is that brand awareness is your currency.
And once I got all of the different units up, rocking and rolling, you'd be surprised
who comes out of the woodwork.
My buddies from from my junior high
baseball team text me a picture of that logo. It said, my wife just joined. So yeah. And then you
layer the digital paid advertising and organic social media and all the contemporary marketing
stuff on top of that, like we did. And I think that's the recipe. So you got to have the layer
over the top. You've got to have the brand lift elements and then the
hyper local community where you're in the field. Our FPs are in the field with their team,
shaking hands, kissing babies, running for mayor, just making sure that they're
the conversation when it comes to fitness in the town.
Yep. We call it, you got to drive brand and demand.
It's those two things. That's what we preach to clients. And sometimes our clients,
they just want to drive the demand. I'm like, you got to invest in the brand, baby.
That's what's going to pay over time. Everybody wants sales overnight, but brands built over time. And so it takes a bit
down that brand line. So what's the burn brand? What's the mantra? What's the, when I say,
and you, what do you want people to think, feel, and do when they think about the burn brand?
We thought, we think a lot about this, right? And how we frame how we want our brand to come across starts with this.
It's not what we think the brand is.
It's the millions of different interpretations of what the brand is.
We call it the coffee table brand.
When you're sitting at the coffee table with your team and you're talking about this podcast,
we're a different brand to you than we are to maybe your wife or maybe your sister that
goes to the gym in a different state or somebody in Southwest New Mexico that goes to the gym.
They have a different perspective of what our brand is
and what it means to them.
And in effect, there's millions of different interpretations
of the brand and all of those things
make our custom to people.
And we give our brand a spirit, a life,
something that people can universally connect to
called inspire, empower, and transform.
So it's these three particular words that should evoke a certain emotion in people.
We want them to feel excited slash nervous.
We really like that.
We want them to feel, because if they're nervous, they care about it.
If they're nervous to go, that means there's something there that is really just another way to say excitement.
And as soon as you start to feel the confidence from the workout you go or the confidence from the product that you bought, now that anxiety about
the purchase becomes excitement about the purchase. And what we try to do is take those people right
away. As soon as you feel that they felt your business, and we try to rope them in right away
and do what Jay Abraham used to say, and that's conditioned people to do business with right away as soon as we possibly can so that we can help dictate some of the, or at least
dictates a bad word, bad choice of word, so that we can help enable a healthy conversation around
the coffee table about what our brand really is and give our members and our readers, listeners,
viewers, followers, an opportunity to have a narrative to speak about this business with
their friends. And so in effect, we're a marketing company more than a fitness company.
And in fact, I would say that we're not a fitness company at all. What we do is fitness, but who we
are is a marketing company whose product is confidence. And if that's the narrative that
we're putting together, a bunch of coffee table talks start happening about our brand.
Ooh, now they're all kind
of echoing the same thing in a different way, shape, or form. And now what the people say about
the brand then becomes the brand. And then we listen to the people. Morgan and I went to 80
gyms this year. We're going to 30 in the back half of this year. We spend almost every single
one of our gyms. It's a bit hard to keep up. That's for sure. It is a blessing and the curse.
But we're out there as much as we can
listening to what people are saying,
bringing the problems back in.
Number one thing in our company
is called the issues list,
the 15 top issues.
And we tackle both one by one.
And that's all found
from reverse engineering
what people are saying about us
and not getting too fancy
on who we think we are.
Who we are is our core values.
That's who we are. We're our principles. We're people first. We're authenticity. We're
pride of results. We're integrity. But who we are to them is their interpretation of those
things that we... What are your goals this year, next year? Where people that are listening,
that sounds like an interesting franchise.
Like, what's that process for becoming a franchisee and where are you guys looking for growth and things like that?
So we have 13 markets, starting with the major metros like Chicago, Houston, LA, New York.
We're really getting into the bigger cities. We're in the suburbs in 41 states. We're going to really start getting into those more urban markets.
But listen, to be a Bird Bootcamp franchisee is not just like a normal application process.
It's a recruiting process. It's just like I'm putting together... I think about it just like
this. I'm putting together a championship team, right? Let's take the Golden State Warriors,
for example. They have the best record ever, what, 71 and nine or something like that. 71 and nine.
So you're going to take losses. You're going to take at least a few of them.
So you're recruiting people that can take the loss. You're recruiting people that believe in
the brand so deeply that they don't really want to do a different business in a sense.
This is their calling. This is their passion. And you have a validation process.
And I would expect any franchise or anybody that's running a business to run it like you're
recruiting a championship team. Listen, if I take myself back to the startup days and I'm like,
hey, Ryan, let me be honest with you for a minute, brother. And did I have the same mentality when we
first started? No, I couldn't believe that 200 people wanted to buy a franchise.
I couldn't believe it was, I was just, I said yes more than I should have, you know, and
I learned a lesson from that.
We had a location, we had a major metro and we had eight units in the major metro.
We opened one, they had seven more to open.
And it just was clear to all of us that it wasn't going to happen.
We did not do a good job validating.
They bit off more than they could chew.
We should have stopped them from doing that.
And so we made it right.
We basically closed down their gym, reacquired the territories, and made it right financially
with those franchise partners so that we could leave in a win situation.
And we learned our lesson.
And we never did any knucklehead deals after that where we were all about how many locations we could grow and how fast because it immediately came back
to bite us. And so from that moment on, I was like, Hey, validate, validate, validate, and make
people earn it in a sense, make them like go jump over some hoops, show that they can follow this
process. Like the best running backs in the NFL. They look in the playbook, right?
And they run the plays.
They run the plays.
And so if you're a true entrepreneur,
you're a true entrepreneur,
you've got to follow the playbook
and you get that itch scratched inside of a franchise
by your ability to scale things.
But most of our franchisees, they're entrepreneurs.
They're people that don't want to go out
and risk it all like Morgan and I did to just eat dirt for five years before you're ever getting there and but
they also want to have that freedom and control so they're entrepreneurs inside of something
entrepreneurs we've all heard of that before i love it man but doesn't have to have a part two
i think you got yeah you and we can get into some of the future stuff
and maybe a little more personal stuff
for what motivates you to the guy
to add something that's pushing you.
So I appreciate that.
And I would love to do a part two as we move forward.
Where can everybody learn more about Burn Bootcamp?
There's a, yeah, go on Devin.
YouTube is probably our best channel
to go interact with the brand
and experience the product from your couch at home.
Can't be on your couch technically,
but and then all the social media platforms,
Instagram, people can come hang out with me
on Devin Klein, D-E-V-I-N-D, J-L-I-N-E.
And always keeping people up to date
with what's going on.
And I'm getting ready to start a YouTube channel as well.
Just I'm doing like 10 minute videos
a couple of times a week,
just talking about stories of burn.
And I've been like head down
building the health and fitness audience
for 10 years and building the business.
And so I've learned a lot along the way.
Part of me getting out, reaching out to you
and being on your incredible show
is just to start talking about it more.
I've got some cool stories to share.
People tell me it's pretty rare.
I look around, it's pretty rare in fact. And so I think I have an obligation to share out with young kids like me,
who didn't have a mentor, who want to look up to somebody who's been there, done that, and
somebody they can, such as yourself, who they can lean on for great advice and just mentorship.
So that'll be coming soon, this October. Good. Then let's do a part two in the studio.
We'll talk more about that
and when that gets kicked off.
I got to come see you.
I'll come see the Greenville gym.
We'll do a workout.
We'll do a podcast.
We'll hang out,
maybe an extended one in person.
We'll bring the camera crews
and we'll get it fired up.
We'll make a little move.
I love it.
I love it.
Cool.
Really appreciate you, Devin.
Everything Byrne's doing,
really inspiring
and respect the hell out of it. Really appreciate you coming onvin. Everything Byrd is doing, really inspiring and respect the hell out of it.
Really appreciate you coming on.
Hey, likewise, Ryan.
Thanks, man.
Keep it going.
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