Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Discipline, AI & Business Growth: Lessons from Navin Goyal

Starting point is 00:00:00 On today's episode of Right About Now, I talked to Neveen Goyle. He is a doctor. He's an anesthesiologist. What he isn't is he's not putting you to sleep on this episode. We talked all about VC, learning what it takes to build capital, the lessons that he's had. And ultimately, the innovations he's bringing to life with mobile anesthesiology. That's right. Mobile.

Starting point is 00:00:20 It's coming. It's the future. It's now right here. One of the hardest things to do when you're building a company is raising capital or determining if you need to raise capital. Naveen and I talk about that very challenge. How to decide if it's right for you, wrong for you, how to do it, all those things in this segment. Scaling a business is hard. Navina and I talk about the challenges of scaling a business, how he did it. Some of the lessons that he's learned. And of course, tips, tricks, and all the insights for how you can do it

Starting point is 00:00:48 yourself. Use a lot of AI integrations. We're looking at new technologies, not really for investment but for utility. Some of that is the accountability that we have for business. businesses where we do an assessment and we say, hey, this is what your company is right now based on all the data within that company, which is curated private data of that company, which many times a leadership team can't really even see, but to aggregate it in a way where you can understand it and then start making decisions on how you can build the most value. This is Right About Now with Ryan Alford, a Radcast Network production. We are the number one business show on the planet with over one.

Starting point is 00:01:28 million downloads a month. Taking the BS out of business for over six years and over 400 episodes. You ready to start snapping next and cash and checks? Well, it starts right about now. What's up guys? Welcome to Write About Now. We're always talking about how to get you right in business and life in marketing now. Not what you needed to do six years ago, not what you need to do next month.

Starting point is 00:01:53 We're not prognosticating. We're telling you how to get right now. That's why I got the good doctor here today. Dr. Navine, Goyle. What's up, brother? Not much, man. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man. Co-founder of Loud Capital. We're going to talk about how to get money fast in the right way. I know that sounds sleazy talk. My radio jockey voice can sometimes straight up things sound like I'm hard selling. But look, capital is a complicated thing for business owners. And speaking from experience takes too fucking long. It's crazy. And I know you experienced that yourself. And hey, you just put people to sleep. And I'm telling you, you got the good doctor here, he's why. I ranging. You're talented dude. Thanks, man. I represent a lot of people behind me. That's the difference. I love to do these kind of conversations and interviews, but in the end, there's so many people that have helped me out. What made you you, man? You're a doctor. I know what it takes. It's legit to do what you did. And then now to own multiple companies. Before we get into the nitty, gritty of capital, I always like to know, what are those ingredients for you, man? What made you you? When I reflect on that, it's discipline. And I am that person who will grind every day if I believe in something. Not for for a long time, but I will form habits every day. I wanted to be a physician and I wasn't the

Starting point is 00:03:03 smartest student in the class. I worked my tail off at every stage. When I was practicing for a while after 13 years, I was getting bored. Learning curve was flat. And I said, what else can I learn? That habit of learning flipped into entrepreneurship. Then I was like, oh my gosh, what's over here? Like Kid and Candy Store. I started reading, listening to a podcast. I started becoming advisors locally and I just drank the Kool-Aid, man. Discipline is probably the habit or the trait that has gotten me to different places. I read a comment. This isn't new. You may have heard it before. It said, you can have discipline or you can have regret one way is a lot more than the other. It's the truth. And in a lot of ways, it carries over. Talk to me, man. You go from being a doctor

Starting point is 00:03:44 to building the mobile anesthesia. You still got to me in a clinical study. They're just, they're not necessarily residence within the hospital or something. In a more simpler way, As an anesthesiologist, I worked in a hospital, and most of the care I did was in an operating room. If I was in OB, I was in laboring rooms putting in epidurals, okay? That's the core of anesthesia. Basically, we go and we bring those anesthesia services to offices. So you're a dental office and you have kids that need teeth extractions. They usually need to go to a surgery center or a hospital to get that done only because of the anesthesia,

Starting point is 00:04:17 not because they need a sterile operating room, which is very high cost, not accessible, etc. We bring an anesthesiologist, nurse, paramedic, our equipment, medications, everything to do the anesthesia in the office. That service is essentially replacing the need to go to a surgery center. So that's what mobile anesthesia is. It's becoming more common, but there's a lot of hoops to jump through, especially in this country, to take care of a patient. We started Loud Capital and startup investment firm. And I teed this off at the beginning for a lot of people. starting their business or they've got a big idea they're a second idea a second company capital raising is complicated no matter how many people have tried to tell me it's not it can be i know that you guys are

Starting point is 00:05:02 simplifying and speeding up that process but talk to me about what loud capital's doing so loud capital is an early stage initially started out as investing in very early stage companies precede no specific industry and over the last decade we've slowly shifted into deeper into health care a little bit later Seed Series A. As we've learned that our sweet spot is to be able to help companies that are established, probably have some customers and clients already, and we can accelerate their growth. We really want to be strategic investors. We called it loud to be loud and active and not silent investors because there's a lot of investors who put in money into opportunity or a startup. The thing is, we focus so much on raising money, but then what we tend to do with it is so important, but many times overlooked. And so to be a

Starting point is 00:05:48 strategic investors to say, I believe in this. However, these are learnings and wisdom and people that can help go to the next level and help you execute because that execution gap is a lot bigger than I ever thought. Loud Capital is nowadays raising capital and investing in health care ventures, ones that get us excited and there's many different traits that occur. Active capital, you're providing both the money, but then the resource knowledge, information to assist in the execution. It's one thing to have an idea. It's one thing to expand. but how are you going to get there? And do you have the resources, not just the money, but the knowledge and resources to get there? That's the gap you're filling.

Starting point is 00:06:26 Exactly. And it's planning for the change. You want these companies to grow. And as they do, you all grow people. You all grow capability. You bring people who've been to the North Star of where you want to go and you bring them into your company. Executives and whether it's flexible executives or even full time, we now have that under the Loud Collective. It's not just couple workshops it's not just strategic discussions it's not just business development which we do all of those it's now bringing in people and it's working really well there's a couple things and number one you accelerate the growth and accelerate the timeline number two you tend to need significantly much less money because you're not wasting it throwing it out in certain and

Starting point is 00:07:05 experimenting as much because people and talent that's a big cost and it tends to take a lot of time in energy and burn. If you can reduce that, reduce the amount that the owner-founder has to give away and you can show success earlier. And we're seeing that in multiple ventures. And so that's something I would love to tell my younger self in the journey of a couple of ventures I have. So if I'm someone that's thinking about this and hearing this, if I get venture capital and let's just keep it simple, round numbers, I need a million dollars and here's the prospectus or whatever it is that drives that. And if you're offering both capital and recent, resource and people, you just nailed it. That's time and money. How does that get factored into the equation

Starting point is 00:07:46 of return? Because it's one thing if you loan me a million dollars, but if you loan me a million dollars, a CMO, a CFO and a CIO, they probably don't cost the same. Let's just talk in that general category of a million dollars. And the use of funds is what? Okay, I need to hire people for sales. I need to do this. I need to do that. And what if we say, okay, we actually have that. We're going to allocate some budget to that, but we're not taking as much risk because this is in-house. And now, the founder and the company we invest in, it has to mutual agreement. It's not like we're forcing this upon. But if we know busy founders and business owners and stressed out ones, especially, that's really helpful. Because if I don't need to look far or spend a lot

Starting point is 00:08:28 of time looking for the right people to fill the gaps I have, then that's really helpful. It usually received with a really positive tone, which is, hey, I'm raising this capital. Number one, do you need a million dollars or do you need actually this? And then we're actually saving a lot of money just by bringing this in house. And by the way, we just did this with this company. And you can see and you can talk to them. That's how that works. And again, we're seeing results because they're growing fast. And we're holding each other accountable, including ourselves. We're looking at every couple, every month technically and saying we made these decisions. We spent this money. Are we getting our bank for a buck? Everyone looks in the mirror.

Starting point is 00:09:03 Yeah, it's interesting because it's then it's not borrowing. And it sort of is. if it isn't, you're giving away equity typically. But it's interesting when you're loaning the money or giving the money for a return and you've got your resources in it. You got a lot of skin in the game. It's also interesting because then if it don't work, then I guess you're all this in it together ultimately because no one wins. Yeah, exactly. That's the venture game, man. And by the way, we're talking about less than 2% of companies. Most companies do not need venture. Most companies probably can go down other various routes. And that's another thing I learned about being a VC.

Starting point is 00:09:37 I actually encourage most not to take a VC, not just because they aren't the right candidate for it, because I've been through it as well. And plenty of not so great things have happened and plenty of great things have happened. But I have that empathy. I blatantly tell people, you actually shouldn't be taking money from a fund. You actually should consider being a little bit more scrappy and potentially getting some of this funding down the line or in kind services because they offer this. I actually don't think venture capital is for most, even though a lot of people feel like that

Starting point is 00:10:09 is the option. And it's exciting, by the way. It's a credibility stamp of I got venture. I don't feel that way anymore because the pressure to grow that are many times unrealistic with the great opportunity ahead as a business, there's a mismatch there. I've been on both sides. I've been on the receiver founder side. And I've been on the investor side, which I understand, okay, we got to do this trying to be better as a venture investor and trying to be better as a founder and scrappy here to say do we need to take money from people who might not understand or have the love for our business like we do yeah talking with dr nevin goyle co-founder of loud capital is it former anesthesiologist or you always know i mean i have the capability of putting

Starting point is 00:10:51 everyone to sleep at any time in my life except on this show but does that ever go away to get to keep getting do you still practice yeah i do some shifts here and there. I took a long break from it. And then with the evolution of myself and really appreciating all the work I've done to become one, I practice once in a while. You do have to keep up your licensing, your credentialing, your continuing education. It's not something that take lightly. Nothing in the medical line really is straightforward or a quick check box. Exactly. Well, I guess it shouldn't be on some levels. But I think we make it harder than it might need to be. You'd probably agree with that talk to me who's the perfect target then who is the perfect model avatar for this

Starting point is 00:11:33 type of VC ambitious and humble really have a big vision really humble to understand this process it is extremely humbling that's what I would tell my younger self you get questioned all the time decision you make that's great awesome it's forgotten yesterday you have new executives that many times are more experienced or smarter than you you need to manage that you need to manage your own self that might have been outgrown by the company that happens in companies. That understanding, which takes a little bit of time to spend time with that person, not just the idea and the vision and the existing company, it's really the ability to be molded. As investors, we also want to be more plastic as well, more flexible and fluid because what we think today could be very different

Starting point is 00:12:17 10 days from now. And we've really learned how to be moldable as well, but we really expect that from her peers. And in health care, we're investing in a lot of therapeutics, logistics, and high level. We want, our fund is investing in companies where if you invest in a great therapeutics company, awesome. But can we ensure that that can get to patients? And what do we need for that? Do we need education? Do we need logistical? Do we need operations? How do we get that medication to the patient as quick as, as fast as possible? Holistically, that's why I'm in the venture space. our team is because we care from the innovation itself and how that benefits patients. It's kind of a one-off, but that's so topical now.

Starting point is 00:13:00 How's AI impacting anything that you guys are doing? Maybe even on the capital side or even in the medical field, you've got to be seeing some changes and different things. I'd love to, and there's such a buzzword now. I'd love to know if it's impacting what you guys are doing. Oh, absolutely. Use a lot of AI integrations. We're looking at new technology is not really for investment, but for utility.

Starting point is 00:13:20 Some of that is, remember I was telling you about the accountability that we have for businesses where we do an assessment and we say, hey, this is what your company is right now based on all the data within that company, which is curated private data of that company, which many times a leadership team can't really even see. But to aggregate it in a way where you can understand it and then start making decisions on how you can build the most value. The biggest gap is the 100 things we're doing as a business owner, we think those 100 things are so important to the value. company, but it's a lot smaller. So that sliver, we need to understand what that is and let's double down on it because the value you're building for yourself, for your employees, for your future stakeholders, we care about that. We use AI to integrate that data and to consistently be efficient on how we execute on that. Because if I'm a consultant and I'm providing a 50 page report, that doesn't help a busy leader who has many gaps in execution on their leadership team or with

Starting point is 00:14:17 themselves. But if you can bring that knowledge, that's easier to digest, as well as execution power, how valuable is that? And that's what we're doing within our own companies that we turn out, as well as the companies that we're helping. Steve Jobs called that signals and noise. And he was a master of pulling out the signals and getting rid of the noise. And that's what you're defining is with all this data, what is it telling me versus what is the noise? What can I ignore? And It's both the tasks too. What are these things that I'm doing that are signals that are driving business forward and then what's noise? That's powerful stuff, man. Thank you. And that's a great analogy, by the way. I love that. Where can everybody learn more about what you guys are doing,

Starting point is 00:15:00 how to keep up with loud capital and, hey, everything mobile anesthesiology? I'm just fascinated by that. It makes all the sense in the world. We need to make that happen universally. Yeah, thank you. I'm on LinkedIn a lot, man. And I have all the companies there and the websites and everything like that. I post a lot of LinkedIn. I try to share a lot of things that aren't your normal. Let's just cheer on for this big accomplishment, but talk more about the stuff that isn't going well or that many of us don't want to share

Starting point is 00:15:26 the vulnerability aspect that's really opened up my world. I love to talk about it. Love it, man. Appreciate you for coming on. Thank you so much. Thanks for doing these, man. I love real conversations. And this is definitely real.

Starting point is 00:15:37 Yeah, man. I appreciate that. That's the highest compliment I have gotten in a long time. And it is what we're trying to do here. You know where to find us, guys. Ryanisright.com. You'll find highlight clips to full episode, links to YouTube.

Starting point is 00:15:49 You've got to see the good doctor in person. He looks good, he sounds good, he is good. Loud, capital, go check him out. We appreciate him for coming on. We appreciate you for making us, number one. We'll see you next time right about now. This has been right about now with Ryan Alford, a radcast network production.

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Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Discipline, AI & Business Growth: Lessons from Navin Goyal

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