Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Fast Success From Fasting with The Panda Man

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Ryan Alford engages in a thought-provoking dialogue with Kyle Newell, aka PandaMan, exploring the depths of unconventional health practices. Kyle opens up about his unique approach to well-being, shedding light on practices like incremental fasting and the seemingly radical concept of urine therapy. Throughout the conversation, Kyle challenges societal norms, encouraging listeners to rethink health and wellness paradigms.Keynotes:Incremental Fasting and Mental Resilience (00:00 - 11:12):Dive into the nuances of incremental fasting, distinct from traditional intermittent fasting, and understand its role in building mental resilience.Kyle introduces the Panda challenge, guiding individuals through 48-hour fasts right from the start to instill confidence.Uncover the mental aspects of fasting, with Kyle emphasizing the importance of reframing hunger as a positive signal for fat loss.Explore the flexibility in drink choices during fasting, including insights into the impact of black coffee, tea, and sugar-free energy drinks.Navigating Challenges in a 48-Hour Fast (11:12 - 21:40):Identify common hurdles during a 48-hour fast, with a particular focus on the challenging Monday night around dinner.Examine the intricate interplay between psychological anticipation and physiological need during fasting.Gain practical tips for overcoming hunger pangs, with Kyle stressing the significance of staying busy to divert focus.Kyle shares profound insights into both the physiological and psychological dimensions of fasting, especially on Tuesday morning.Future Vision: Transforming Lives (21:40 - 32:15):Envision a future where holistic well-being and transformation touch the lives of millions, with the body serving as an entryway to confidence and increased energy.Recognize the continuous learning journey and the importance of sharing knowledge for future generations.Kyle shares his mission to leave a positive legacy and influence a paradigm shift in mindset regarding health and fasting.Connecting with Kyle Newell (32:15 - 38:35):Connect with Kyle on social media platforms (@PandaManOfficial) and explore ThePandaManOfficial.com for free downloads and a comprehensive fasting book.Kyle expresses his commitment to personally engage with those reaching out, fostering a sense of community.Wrap up the episode with an invitation to explore theradcast.com for full episodes, highlights, and additional content.Embark on a profound journey into alternative wellness with Kyle Newell, embracing radical health practices, and gain inspiration for positive transformations. Follow, like, and subscribe for more enlightening episodes on The Radcast with Ryan Alford. If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE.  Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding.  Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel  www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford. 

We have to eliminate willpower as much as we can. Willpower doesn't work. If you can rely a lot on willpower, it's one of the reasons the traditional North American diet doesn't work. So it's black and white. You're either fasting or you're feasting. You're listening to The Radcast,

a top 25 worldwide business podcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. Hey, I'm Ryan Alford, your host. We say if it's radical, you cover it, we cover it, and you're here to listen. And, you know, this gentleman hit my feed.

A lot of people hit your feed on social media, on the gram, and kept coming, kept going. I don't know what it was. The algorithm was speaking to me, I guess. I was like, I don't know if I was diet searching or what I was doing. I was like, how can I stop eating so much? But Kyle Newell here, the Panda Man. What's up, Kyle? What's up, Ryan?

Thanks for having me, man. This is really cool to be here. Yeah. I'm so glad you could make it in studio. Welcome to G Vegas as we call it. Beautiful. Greenville, South Carolina. Beautiful place, man. I'm going to have to bring my family down here. Hey, see? Yeah. I know. Hey, I need to get, I need to get Greenville tourism involved here as a sponsor. Yeah. And what I bring to Greenville's man this is nicer than i expected beautiful yeah it's beautiful hidden gem i know so speaking of hidden gems the panda diet i know

you got the book coming out or already out the book's out yeah the book's already out yeah i started reading about it because the fasting stuff has gotten so popular and i know there's a lot more to it i like that's what i liked about it. I think I see a million people promoting the fasting. And I'm always like, and I've done a couple. We've all done them. But I'm like, I need something more full body, mind, spirit, soul, like whatever. And I think that's when you hit my feed. And I'm like, all right, I like this guy.

This makes sense to me. I hadn't done the one meal a day thing. I know we're going to get into that, some of the core benefits of it. But Kyle, let's set the stage for everybody. Let's talk about the Kyle Newell story. Yeah, sure, man. So where do I begin with that? Grew up, as we were saying before, I've got three brothers.

We're all close in age, all born between 1980 and 1985. I'm the second oldest. And playing sports throughout our upbringing, really big into sports fans, playing all pretty good athletes. My parents were great, and they still are great. I grew up in a very non-judgmental environment. Like my parents gave us a lot of freedom, but they taught us the values, right? So we were just good, kind people. they taught us the values, right? So we were just good, kind people.

So we moved to New Jersey in the late 80s. And we've been in New Jersey ever since. And then coming up when I went to college at university, back in high school, when we back up, playing, I gave everything up for basketball. That was kind of stupidly. I stopped playing baseball, stopped playing football. I was like, I want to play Division I basketball.

So I developed a lot of discipline around basketball, 500 jump shots a day. Making, at the time, an AAU team was a big deal. Now everybody's got them. Doing stuff like that. And through that path, I got into lifting. I remember the first book I ever ordered in high, it was at the end of, it was my senior year. I ordered this physical book from a bodybuilding magazine. It's called Big Beyond Belief. And it was all about training because I was getting really into it. And it just grew into a passion to the point where my senior year, I almost didn't play basketball because I fell so in love with the

lifting. So I've been studying this for way more than half my life now on a pretty deep level. And then that kind of led to going to school, fitness management, went to University of Delaware. It was a good experience, but I didn't, what am I going to do when I come out with that? Did you play basketball? No, I didn't. Ithaca and Utica were two schools

that had reached out that I could play at. But by that point, I was like, like you said, with the intramural. Yeah. I'm good playing for fun. Yeah. You knew it was going to be forever. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. And it came out, worked with Rutgers football strength and conditioning.

So that was a really good experience. But again, at the end of that summer, I'm like, what am I going to do? Went back for teaching health and phys ed. And while I was doing that, I was also competing in natural bodybuilding shows at the time. So again, just learning a ton. People would always come up to me, ask me questions at the gym. Hey, what you're doing looks unusual. What is that?

I had people asking me about my training way back in the day before I even, CrossFit was barely starting. I didn't know what it was. And people say, is that CrossFit? I'd be like, I don't even know what CrossFit is. But this is- I don't know, you tell me. At the time, it was crazy. But I took what I had learned

and then what I learned from Rutgers football, like a lot of those dudes were jacked. I'm like, okay, there's gotta be a different way to train and just bodybuilding training. So I applied that when I would get ready for shows, training more like an athlete for the shows. And then over time, my methods just kept growing and I just kept studying.

I'm always studying. I still feel like a novice with everything. So I'm just voracious with how I read and who I learn from. And I taught in the public school system from 2006 to 2012. And at that point, I resigned. I put in my letter of resignation because I had started my gym. Started out of my car. Then my parents let me build something in the basement, the studio. But my wife, who we met through teaching, she was a teacher as well. I had a really bad patella tendon rupture that year. I had pneumonia. And we just realized, okay, you're burning out. So I would train people before school, go teach all day, drive right back to the gym, train people all night. And this was five days a week and then Saturday mornings. So I would train people before school, go teach all day, drive right back to the gym, train people all night. And this was five days a week. And then Saturday mornings,

and I wasn't sleeping because I was like, man, I got more to do. So I put in a letter of resignation. And when I put that letter in, literally that weekend, I put it in on Friday, Hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey and the roof got ripped off my gym. And so I already have to let, and I'm like, man, I look, I took it as just a test from God that what are you going to do now? I can't go back. So the gym was destroyed. I had to move spots. Wind up going to a bigger spot, man, but I don't have my safety net of teaching anymore, but it all worked out. And then it just kept evolving. It evolved.

We opened another gym probably about five years ago now in a local neighboring town. What are the gyms called? Newell, my last name, Newell Strength. Newell Strength. Yeah, so it's all small group personal training. And through that, it's met so many great people in marketing. I probably studied that just as much as the training. Once I realized, okay, you learn how to write.

You got to learn how to do direct response marketing. You've got to learn all this stuff. The branding. Yeah, exactly. It's all part of it. And I will say this, back to the roof incident. You wanted to wade into the water. God said, no, you're going to the deep end, son.

Going to the deep end. That's exactly what happened. You're like, I'm wading in. I'm good. No, you're diving in right in and then when they were showing me replacement units they showed me one that was twice the size i took my father-in-law he was a business owner and i i thought he was gonna be like i'll play it safe because again now over the overhead is gonna rent's gonna double and all that and he said hey

go big or go home man he goes this is wanted. Boom, signed the papers and just kept moving forward. And my wife spent, my wife, Devin, she's been incredibly supportive. She knew from day one that I marched to the beat of a different drummer that she was going to be in for a different type of life. And so she resigned from teaching after our second child. So she'll help with the businesses. And finally this year, now she's just staying home. She's running the household, which I wanted's really cool yeah yeah man talk to me about newell strength like where did i know you started the foundational stuff said everybody always said

what are you doing yeah when you're at the gym but what were there like foundational beliefs in the way you train what grounded all that yeah so my philosophy from early on was is strength and conditioning so it's not do a set of bench pressing and sit around i always believed in in okay let's keep a fast pace going let's okay if you're hitting a push or a chest day let's supplement that while you're recovering from that and do something else that's going to keep your heart rate over there do up or lower so it's that type of training and then different moves working in different planes of motion so having that influence of being a record football seeing how j jb trained these guys and then i would learn and i would apply and i would do that and it just became something unique as far as like farmers walks i was doing those before anybody knew

what they were i'd pick up the dumbbells in the gym and walk around the gym what What are you doing? I'm working on carries. What does that do? It was just stuff like that. It just kept growing. So I call it P-H-A-S-T, peripheral heart action strength training. So I want the head pumping, the heart pumping head to toe with blood. So that was the foundations of it. And just train hard. You train hard hard how long is your workouts when you're doing those when i was doing those man when i first started with that original book man i would spend two two and a half three hours in the gym now it's efficient man we work out the guys friday morning and it's everybody catches up there's a social aspect but I believe in 45 minutes, you should be, if you're going hard, you should be smoked. I've always liked the staying active.

So that kind of resonated with me. Like the, okay, you do the bench press, but doing something like in between, keep your heart rate up or at least mentally in the game. Yeah. Because for me, I'm distracted, ADD, whatever. You get your phone out. That's my biggest thing is staying in the moment.

Staying locked in. Yeah. Yeah, and it is. You can make a workout almost meditative when you keep that pace up when you don't have the time to. So I like even working to the clock just when I'm working with writing something. Set the timer. Okay.

I think that's a great method for people to count down clock. Yeah. It creates more urgency. It does. And it's both urgency and you both know when it starts and knows when it ends. You know when it's done, man. So you got to patient, but also stay at it to know you've got an end in sight. Yeah.

That's huge. Yeah. Having that deadline. Exactly. So you built the whole business kind of around those techniques yeah doing growth so what like three four or five people like small groups so yeah when i first opened the first facility at that point it was didn't have the systems in place right like i was training people and i started with one-on-one then i said okay i'm

getting burnt out with that then i went to the semi-private, I called it, three to four people. Then when I moved to the facility, it was like, okay, I'm open from four to eight. Show up, I'll coach you. So I had to work out, and I would have 15 guys in there, 20 guys. So nowadays, what it is, though, is we have a ratio of six to one clients to coach. So we'll have usually a max of 12 in a session. So we're still getting that personal training feel. The coach could administer and make the changes as needed.

But it's a great model for people because you're getting coaching, but you're not necessarily, a lot of people don't want to pay $150, $200 an hour for a personal trainer. Yeah. So it's like that hybrid model. Yep.

Still getting enough one-to-one to where they can tailor something to trainer. Yeah. So it's like that hybrid model. Yep. Still getting enough one-to-one to where they can tailor something to you. Yeah. You're also getting the camaraderie of a small group. That's huge. Which is a lot of things for people. That's huge.

That team aspect. It really is. It's that social aspect. And one-on-one gets boring, man, when people are there. And when you have other people working alongside you and they're trying to work

towards a similar goal, it's big. What I want to me, a lot of what I see is just therapy happening in the, and I'm no judging. It's just, I just see it. And it's a lot of talking a lot of everything else. I'm like,

it seems that way now. It's a thousand percent. And I tell you, and that's fine. But if you want therapy, you know, go out on the couch and you can talk to somebody. Exactly.

And it winds up driving like a young trainer or whatever. They'll go crazy with that because they want to train. But then you wind up talking, like you're saying, 40 minutes out of the 60 minutes. Yeah. Because people just want someone to talk to. They need an outlet, yeah. It was fine.

Yeah. So we got the two gyms. Where did the Panda come in? So Panda, so this is an interesting story. It was, I think, 2014 or so. So I'd resigned already from teaching. So I'd work from home during the days and I'd go to the gym at night or the PM hours. But Ron Artest, do you remember Ron Artest?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I was a big fan. Chicago Bulls. Yeah. Bulls, Lakers, won a title with Kobe. And I liked, I always followed him at St. John's. I loved his style.

It was more like the old school style, just tough defense. It's a little bit crazy. Has Ron became Metta World Peace? Yes. Is that the same? Yeah. So he became Metta World Peace, but for a little period of time, he became, I think it was the Panda's friend.

He named himself that. And I was a fan of his. And he sent out, I was on his email list. And so I got new apparel coming out. And I said, oh, I'll support him. I was like, that's pretty cool, a panda. So I bought his hat. And I actually got a panda tattoo here. Because I started researching the animal.

Oh, a panda, man. A lot of people thought it was a mythological creature until not that long ago. It's cool, man. It's of people thought it was a mythological creature to not that long ago. It's cool, man. It's like, it was thought to be this myth. And then it got to black or white. You got the duality. A lot of people think it's this cuddly creature, but it'll also rip you to shreds.

I was like, I connect with that. I feel like that connects with me. If you called it like a spirit animal. So then that was that. And then when 2019 came around, so at the time I had just started fasting, like intermittent fasting, which was your 16 hour fast,

which was a game changer from what I was doing to bodybuilding. I knew I was onto something, but I did that for about five years, 16 to 18 hour fast. And then when it came time in 2019 to do a fat loss contest with my staff, because we were participating alongside the clients,

okay, I got to step up my game. I was about 250 pounds, 16% body fat. So I wasn't fat, but I just didn't feel, I was too big. I didn't like it. My neck felt too big. And I said, let me start looking at longer form fasting. So I did that the whole first summer. I was doing 72 hour fast every week,

done one meal a day and just experiment. And then I started saying, okay one meal a day and just experiment. And then I started saying, okay, I could teach this to people. And when it came time to write the book, which I wrote like in the peak of the COVID hysteria, I said, what am I going to call this? And I said, oh, the Panda Diet. It just popped into my head.

And now as far as the Panda Man, when it was a little over a year ago, I'd lost my Instagram account, my personal one. I don't know if I posted something that was offensive, whatever, but it was gone. There was not even a record of it. And then when owner here had approached me, he wanted to start a media company. We kind of said, okay, what are we going to call this? And then played around with, I think I had come up with a temporary one, the Panda Man can, my initials. We said the Panda Man.

So that's kind of where it came from, the Panda Man. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love the branding too. Yeah. Thanks, man. If you're not, if you're listening,

you got to go watch this on YouTube, plug the YouTube channel in so you can see the Panda gear. And these, you know, these remind me of pandas. You know what these actually are. They look like pandas. I just assumed it was. Ewoks. Oh, yeah.

Remember Ewoks? Is that literally Ewoks? Yeah, yeah. From Star Wars yeah yeah from star wars yeah oh yeah yeah pretty awesome man then you've got the hat this is our brand you know the panda i like it yeah hey man branding's everything yeah hey it's called my attention i'll be honest then i was like the substance the brain caught the eye than the substance of you yeah what is, there's like this quiet confidence with you that resonated me with your content that wasn't, some of the yelling, screaming guys

and the stuff that, everybody's got their own stick or their own way, you know? But I always liked that about you and then now in person. You always been that way? Or did you have something transform you into that way?

I don't think so. I think it's, I think I've probably always been this way. I'm a big introvert. When we decided to go all in on the personal brand me and my wife and then just everything was synchronicity when owner reached out here and but she had told me she said you got to be more comfortable with being a celebrity a lot of people locally look at me like that then on national tv with the news and all that so i I haven't, but I was always, I don't like attention. Yeah.

But I'm going back to the studying aspect. I'm constantly just learning. And sometimes you think that's normal, but I guess it's not a normal thing for most people. So I have built up a lot of knowledge and then I experiment with everything. So I developed what I call direct knowledge, which is to me wisdom. So I'm like, when I teach my stuff, and the way it comes across, to me, it's just the truth.

So I'm like, I don't have to yell to get that across or whatever it is. This is the truth as I know it. And it's okay if you disagree with it, but this is what I've come through direct experience. So I'm always trying to seek and acquire wisdom. And again, being the introvert, I was always shy, not loud or boisterous or anything like that

so i think i've probably always been like this i think the i use the analogy you're either a sponge or a faucet and the faucet's always letting out too much the sponge is always soaking in too much sometimes but i've you got like this good balance maybe you found the way to you've been soaking it all in but you're finding ways now to share it. To share it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's obviously social media is huge.

And the teaching I'm obsessed with, because that's how I learned the best. I think that's the highest form of learning. Yeah. So to me, it's learn, teach even before I necessarily even know sometimes all the answers. I'm like,

cause I don't know if you ever know all the answers, but I'm like, teach it now. I internalize it more and I figure it out more. What was it like? You got the gems. We get a lot of people, obviously business and marketing show, like scaling the company, growing it.

What are some of the trials and tribulations of doing that? What are the learnings? It's huge, man. Still from going, being the technician where it was just me and the passion was the training. So I was doing that, right? That was me. I had an intern when I opened the first facility. And once I realized, okay, you got to hire people.

Yeah, because you were in the business and not working on the business, right? Correct, yeah. Every little break I had during the teaching day when I was doing both was spent on the business. Yeah. But then doing all the technical stuff and then getting burnt out with all that. Every little break I had during the teaching day when I was doing both was spent on the business. Yeah. But then doing all the technical stuff and then getting burnt out with all that. So the biggest thing starting to finish to now is managing people, hiring the right people. I remember the first time I had to fire somebody, man. It was nerve wracking.

And one of my coaches, who still coaches me, his business coach is a great friend. He had walked me through it. And I remember that one piece of advice, he said, listen, as soon as you sit down with this guy, think of it, punch him in the face, tell him right away, don't make small talk, but, and then you can go into, and yeah, obviously there's been many times since I've had to do stuff like that, but it's been managing of people. Like, cause that's where the emotion comes in. If you take the emotion out of business, it's easy, but it's hard to do with people. It's hard to do.

Has it just been an acquired skill or has it been something that's just over time you get better at it? Both. Yeah, it's acquired. A lot of investing in education and that stuff and coaches and masterminds. And then just kind of letting whatever my natural leadership style is. Because it's the same thing. I'm not yelling at them i expect them to do a certain way do their job and be a pro live by our core values but i'm

not micromanaging them i want i think autonomy is huge for people so giving people hey you do it as long as it gets done the right way do whatever you want so you got the two facilities yeah any plans or has there been about going broader, bigger, those kind of things with dual? Yeah, that's funny. It's when we opened the second one at the time, so that was 2018, the plan was to open seven to 10

within a pretty tight footprint, part of Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Yeah. And then once COVID hit and all that, I was like, I don't want to do seven to 10, right? I was just, cause I was seeing, I'm like, man, you got to manage more people. Everything's, I just didn't want to do it. That's how the second one came about.

Like in hindsight, again, I probably would have just kept to one if I knew that. So right now there's no plans to, we're thinking with the pandemic and merging that with neural strength, like a gym without walls where we can educate people and teach people and put them through stuff and so as far as physical locations i wouldn't be opposed to it but it would have to be the right person yep it would have to be me not being now i'm not very super hands-on in the day-to-day with the gym now as it is so i have to remain that way yeah exactly yeah so let's talk a little more about panda like what what are the like key attributes for pandas though like for the actual animal yeah so a lot of people will ask me to play because that because that's what a panda eats right now it's got pandas eat

bamboo largely which is funny because around our house we have a ton of bamboo just coincidentally when we moved to that house so the key attributes as far as the reason that, again, I look at the symbology of it, black or white, right? So I do something called mind mapping, which is the science of how your brain forms habits. And a big part of that is clarity. And we have to eliminate willpower as much as we can.

Willpower doesn't work. If you can rely a lot on willpower, that's one of the reasons a traditional North American diet doesn't work. So it's black or white. You're either fasting or you're feasting. So I really lock in with my students on the word decision. It means to sever, cut yourself off.

Any other possibility. If you leave the option to, oh, I might eat. Let me see how I feel. You're not going to succeed. So it's like a, you take like a meat cleaver to it, black or white. And then the mindfulness, like the yin yang, it's like a, you take like a meat cleaver to it, black or white. And then the mindfulness, like the yin yang, the black or white, I want you to enjoy your foods drug, but we should be present when we did not eating in a, in, in a rush in a stressed state.

So I bring that to it. So that's the philosophy behind it. And as far as the mechanics, it's ancient biblical stuff that's been around. I'm just putting my own, my own verbiage on it, but it's longer form fasting is the premise, right? So if you look at like my black panda, which is how I live, it's a 48 hour fast to start the week. And then I go one meal a day, which sounds extreme, but coming from the bodybuilding background, everything had to be weighed, measured, and I'd be doing these starvation diets, and I could never get as lean as I wanted to when I wasn't stepping on stage.

I said, there's got to be a better way than this. And then experiment with the longer form fasting, researching, immersing myself in it. I found that this is the way. So Monday to 48 hours. So let's just say it's a seven-day week. It might be different for you, but Monday and Tuesday, we're not eating, period.

So a Sunday night, then I break a Tuesday night. Got it. So I go 48 hours in between. So Monday's the only day on a regular week that I'm not eating. I got it. So it's only one actual day, but it's 48 hours. 48 hours. Because you'll have a meal Sunday night.

Correct. And then you'll have a meal Tuesday night. Correct. Okay, got it. And then one meal a day. And. And then you'll have a meal Tuesday night. Correct. Okay, got it. And then one meal a day. And I built within that when I take people through it, hey, if you want to have a cheat day or a cheat meal, totally fine. Because that was something I used to do big time when I was bodybuilding.

And it's more of just a psychological outlet for people. And I'm like, don't worry about it. I don't stress. I say, okay, I'm big into making sure people get fruit in their diet. But let's get your fasting time down first you have a lot more leeway when you eat like this with what you eat so you can enjoy the foods you want to enjoy too it's not oh you can never have a carb you can't do this and that stuff that doesn't work yeah how many how big of the one meals just eating as much as you want

it's a feast so i teach a feast man. So you're done. Yeah. I've got me personally. I've got a voracious appetite. How many calories are in your one meal? For me on an average one, it's between three and 5,000. Yeah. But if I'm super hungry,

my appetite's built up. Like when I used to do those cheat days when I was bodybuilding, when I'd be in what's called super compensation state, not throughout the whole day though, I'd be doing, I've done as high as 25,000 calories in a day,

which I can't do. Like I can't do that normally, but it was when you're in this super depleted state, hunger hormones are all messed up and all this. So you combine that with the natural appetite I already have. 25,000 calories in a day. I feel terrible afterwards though.

But that's one meal? No, that was before the first. Yeah, that was before the fasting. Yeah, that was before the fasting. That was an all-day Sunday. I'm trying to think how you do that. Like, how do you get 25,000? That was all-day eating, excuse me, yeah. You were eating like every hour on the island?

Every hour, you're eating boxes of Girl Scout cookies, you're eating peanut butter, you're doing whatever. But eventually my wife was like, because I would be able to stay lean like that and be in a deficit the rest of the week when i was doing the traditional stuff but i'd be in a food coma by four o'clock and she's this really worth it i'm like yeah probably not it was a cool i would love i would look forward to those cheat days but it was like not a good way to actually function no i don't know yeah

what's in the is it so is it up to the person what that one meal is? So you go 48 hours, you get the one meal per day. Yeah. Is it up to the person of what they want to eat? So what I teach, like, is in an ideal setting, if you're at your home base, start with fruit. I like to start with fruit, not at the end. What kind? Whatever you want.

How much? However much you want. And just keep in mind, it's your one meal. If you get too full on the bananas, you're not going to have as much steak as you might want. Correct, a lot of people. Or whatever else. And that fruit, it's great for detoxifying the body.

It's digested further down in the intestine. So I want to get it through the system first. It's got all the micronutrients. It's like a superfoodfood if there was one category. And it hits those stretch receptors on the stomach, right? So all of a sudden you are, okay, let me just go at a nice pace here. Don't have to gorge myself. And then anything that came from the earth, I said, like, and again, an ideal setting, veggie, have your potatoes, your rice, whatever, your protein source. And then what I do on a regular night, I do like

soaked oats. i'll put oatmeal raw milk earlier in the day cocoa powder cinnamon stevia put a little frozen blueberries when i have it that's my dessert so i love that structure and what i find with people and myself over time when you do this you really start craving those types of foods yeah like you really start craving the good nutritious stuff but that's what you some, it's still some pretty healthy food, even as much as you want. Yeah. But I have people that eat pizza every night. Do you have people that eat pizza?

Every night. And they still get results. Yeah. It's because you're effective. Pizza and peach cobbler? Hey, yeah. A little ice cream on top of yours. You'd be surprised.

Does it matter? Not as much. Because you've got only one meal a day. Correct. You've got two days of fasting built in. So I would almost think it wouldn't matter. Because you're limited in insulin. You're going to get full.

Yeah. That's it. Whether you eat 3,000 or 6,500, that might be a little more than you want, but still. You get full and you're already controlling insulin for the majority of the day. That's what we're trying to do. So when people, because I'll get people on that flip side, well, I want to do this,

but then I want to do carnivore. I want to still have, you don't break it with any carbs. I'm like, why, why? So I can have them explain it. I want to limit my insulin. You already did that. So now let's take advantage

of the anabolic effect of insulin when we eat, as long as we're training. Insulin is the most anabolic hormone in the body, right? So let's use that to our advantage to build muscle and to flood these nutrients into muscle cells rather than fat cells. So it's like this slingshot effect I call. What time do you eat? So Tuesday night you're

eating. Yeah. What time are the one meals? It's dinner. It's always dinner. Yeah. That's what I recommend for people and what I do because of habit formation. That's usually when you can eat with your family or social events. Physiologically, the best time of the day to eat would be around lunch. But how many people are going to form a habit around that? Yeah. So I like dinner. That makes sense to me, too, because like when I've done anything, I haven't done anything like this, just in full transparency. But when I've done other diets or things, I'm not hungry.

I can go. I'm not really that hungry. I don't know if it's a man thing or whatever. I can go till 2, 3 o'clock practically anyway. Like when days I'm busy, get busy in the morning. Yeah, I get hungry. But like they start to, there's nothing like the hunger at night. Yeah. hungry but like they they start to there's nothing like the hunger at night yeah yeah and so i feel like that's doable yeah to make it till 6 p.m or whatever the time is that one meal gives you

something to look forward to that feast you get a huge dopamine hit you're you're gonna be much more efficient people in general if they're in that hunger state throughout the day what goes on with the hormones and the hunger pass is quick. And then you have that. Now, dinner, by that point, our day should be pretty much, hey, I can relax. I want people to eat in that relaxed state and that parasympathetic nervous system.

Yeah. And it's also when you have the downtime. So if you have the downtime at night and you're starving, you think about it more. Yeah. And you said something that really resonated because like Steve Jobs at this way, working with Apple back in the day,

Steve Jobs, rest in peace. He liked to limit decisions. That's why he always wore the same thing. Black shirt and the pants, the slacks. That's why he always seemed to turtleneck all that because he took, he wanted to limit, he wanted no other decisions to take up time and mental energy, which is similar to what you're saying,

leaving it up to you for the habits or whatever. It's a similar principle. It's like one less thing to think about. Don't leave it up to your will, your desire, whatever that might be. It's a thousand percent. That gray area is going to eat up so much mental energy when you don't make a decision. In the willpower, that part of your brain is very finite.

By the end of the day, that part of your brain is depleted. The frontal lobe, right? It's gone. So if you're relying on willpower, because you gave, you didn't make decisions with all this stuff throughout the day, you're going to be shot. You're not going to succeed.

And you get that with people all the time. Oh, I'm starting my diet. End of the day, they're in the pantry eating cookies. You're not going to succeed. And you get that with people all the time. Oh, I'm starting my diet. Ended a day during the pantry eating cookies. They didn't intend to do that, but that drug of food and the emotional state they're in and the executive functioning is lowered, no chance. Yeah. And we, anything,

that's what people, we try to overcomplicate things like with success and like other things, but you have to, you don't create discipline you create habits yes great way to put it it's now you just have to like we're talking about this show all right we're doing two a week like this set up things that like okay they create yeah the habitual things that we do as human beings because we're we are like it's so funny as human beings like we become and have a hard time breaking out of those patterns but once you can get them set and remove like what you think you want to do yes

everything gets a lot easier it does and that's their brain is a pattern recognition machine you know that's it likes prediction and response so we got to give it that to move forward constantly and a lot of people want to say recognize patterns utilize and then you can create patterns it's huge is the so the we call it the panda workout where does the workout come in on top of the workout so i call it the panda method right we'll encompass everything and that's fast beast which is your training yep and then your feast so the first thing i tell people because i get people that come to me that when i do my challenges they don't have any background working out and can't think about habits or where they're at. Just start walking. So I tell people you should do something every day. Walking is

highly underrated. So at least a walk and start with 20 minutes and you build up, let momentum build. But then when we get into the weights, it's that full body stuff I do. We're pushing it. We're doing crazy long, like for me personally, like long sets of squats, stuff that we're just going to challenge. We do like a barbarian walk once it gets summer months where the guys go out. We got to, as a team, go half a mile with all this crazy weights and all this. So it's just getting people to realize as far as the workout, I get a lot of people that want, so we're not getting lean through the working out. That's a big myth. But it's more for your brain than anything else.

But then as far as building muscle, I get that a lot. And they always want, how am I gonna eat that much to build muscle? They always skip over the training. The training, if you wanna put on muscle, that's the stimulus, not what you're eating. Are you training hard enough to force that adaptation so with that then you got to apply different intensity techniques with the training you got to apply a higher

greater stress for the body to come back bigger and stronger so i incorporate all that stuff the biggest thing is you got to be mentally engaged so you got to make sure that you're into what you're doing yeah is that is theana Method, sounds like you have a lot of different outcomes. Like you could do it for lean, but getting lean. Yeah. Like you could do it for building muscle if you build in the right workouts.

Yeah. So it sounds like it's got a lot of variability. Yeah. And it's physically, it has variability. Blood work's going to improve. You're going to see all this stuff, but that's just the tip of the iceberg, right?

You have all these deeper health benefits, cellular autophagy, and healing your insulin resistance. But to me, it's more of a self-development tool when you peel it back because now you got to worry, not worry about, you got to focus on this inner dialogue. Oh, I still got 12 more hours to go, but I'm feeling a little hunger. Okay. How do you deal with that? What do you tell yourself? So the ability to think about your thoughts, like that metacognition is greatly enhanced when you're fasting long form so that's like the biggest benefit and then your energy is going to come up too for many reasons when you do this that's a huge benefit and so it's it gives

people the confidence to take control of over other areas of their life too what are like i'm sure they're both foundational for you they may be be part of the Panda Method, but some of the other things, like whether it's supplementation, whether it's cold plunges, are there other things that you recommend that have been part of your kind of routine? Yeah, big time, man. So the cold therapy is huge.

That's become a big part of my routine. I built a cold tub at home. I have a box freezer. Went through Wim Hof's. I failed many times with Wim Hof's course. I'm 6'5", 260, brother. You got a box freezer went through wim hoffs i failed many times with wim hoffs course i'm 65 260 brother you got a box you got a funny story about that i'm gonna go to the meat market yeah you're gonna have to man but i went to lowe's to get it i asked the guy i said hey this is gonna be weird but do you care if i get into the freezer he said what i don't care he's and i explained

what i was doing so i had to do that so, you'd have to definitely test it out first, man. Make sure that you- I might just have to buy one of those pre-made ones. I don't know. Yeah, you could do that too. Yeah. So I got that. But that to me is huge.

It's a love-hate. I hate getting in it, but it just feel fantastic. How long do you get in? I'll go, I try to get two and a half to four minutes on it. Every day? Yeah. I try to do every day. I did a cold shower this morning because of traveling.

Yeah. But it's, I love the mental toughness aspect, but then you're getting the dopamine, you're getting metabolic rate goes up. So that's a big thing. At night, I tape my mouth shut when I sleep. So it makes sure I'm breathing through my nose. That has come up a lot.

We've been talking a lot. Oh yeah, is that right? Yeah. Between the vacay podcast and drag, the mouth taping seems to be popping up yeah and it's i don't know if i could do that a lot of people i'm like okay just sit in a chair first and just test it because a lot of people might get like a claustrophobic or suffocation feeling but if you're breathing through your mouth when you sleep at night you're not good for your health so i was like this is an easy way

medical tape. So I do that and my wife still laughs about it. And I always say, you want a piece? No, I don't need a piece. So I do that. What else? Probably the most far out thing I started doing a little over a year ago is urine therapy, which a lot of people have no idea about.

All right. I have my mind, this swirling here on the rat. I told you it was fucking radical. We cover here on the Rat Cast. Urine therapy therapy here we go urine therapy so where did this come from where did I hear it I was listening to this interview with this doctor

and he was talking about the vaccines at the time with COVID and the clotting issues and I didn't me and my family didn't get them whatever but it's he's talking about the guy said what can people do that got it for the clotting?

He goes, it's going to sound really weird. He goes, but there's all these compounds in your urine that dissolve clots. And he started going on about the other health benefits. I'm like, wow. And so I started researching it. I'm like, what is urine therapy? How does this work?

It's going where I think it's going. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I started reading, but what I do, as soon as I learned something like that I heard I remember I heard it that day next day I did it so first thing in the morning pee in a cup about two ounces or so and I posted on my Instagram on my story pretty much every day and people were like you shouldn't post that I'm like but this is what I did yeah I don't think that was the honest stories you'll

see it, man. I do it to the pina coladas on the- Do you mix it with anything? No, you just do that. Can you? Do you get it right? Yeah, I suppose you can. But look, it's got 2,600 enzymes, hormones, nutrients, stem cells,

already highly filtered by your body. So if you look at the research on it and what the most studied thing by pharmaceutical medical community, they don't tell you it's urine because there's so many powerful compounds in it. If you look at skincare products for women, the number one thing in there is urea. It comes from urine. If you look at the Indian snake charmers that dance with the king cobras, what do they always have next to them? A bottle of urine because it's fantastic at healing wounds if they get bit, but it's anti-venom if they drink it.

So it's like there's all these things. And it's okay. To to me i believe a lot of this stuff has been hidden from us intentionally for if you can develop even through fasting all this superior health why isn't this taught i have different theories about that but it's so what exactly is the what are the i'm hearing the uses of it but the let's just be clear. We're drinking our own urine. Correct, yeah. Two ounces a day? About two. Two ounces a day, every day?

Yeah. And what are the overall, from drinking it, absolute benefits? It's hormonally, I haven't, I should have done blood work before I started it to see, but I know it's a huge antiviral, antibiotic,arasitic antifungal so those aspects now when you drink it too your urea is going to go up slightly in your blood which makes it even more potent as an antibiotic so another thing i started what's it taste like it'll vary depending which you ate if i'm in a longer fast it's gonna taste different sometimes it's almost sweetish like. Sometimes it's almost Swedish, like sweet. Sometimes it's bitter. And something I started doing, I haven't done every day.

Is there any instance where someone shouldn't do it? If you're on a lot of medication, if you're really not healthy, because there's going to be toxins in there, you're just recycling some of this stuff. If you're a big drinker and you're doing that, you're putting a lot of that stuff back into your body. Okay. So the better shape you're in

the better you know you're leaving clean you got everything cleaning up yeah probably the best time to do it yeah and just as a disclaimer we make no medical claims here on the right experimenting the panda man kyle newell is sharing what he does yes yes yeah yeah and that's what i do i experiment still yeah it makes sense on one little and i do look the vacay podcast is always is all about alternative wellness and our firm belief is that not only things have been hidden from us pharmaceuticals all this stuff at some point lab-based things became good and things from the earth became taboo and bad. Yeah. Who profited from that? Yeah.

And so you preaching to the choir on, on that belief. Sure. Now I can't say, I think I feel like I've heard of the urine thing, but always wrote that one a little bit off as quite sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's the only way.

How long have you been doing that? Since two Novembers ago ago so over a year now okay i'm still living yeah i've had people tell me you can't do that was that built into the panda method no i don't like even the cold plunge and all that like yeah when people and if they want private coaching eventually we might work into that stuff but i'm like okay get this get your foundational stuff, get your daily walk. Yeah.

Get your fasting going. Then if they want, and most people with the urine. The walking thing is becoming, it's starting to build up to me. Like Andy for solo, like study hard, got the walk built into it

and all that stuff. And so there's. Walking is so underrated, man. Yeah. It's so good for you. I think it's just motion, man.

Yeah, it is. It's like, we're so sedentary with like our jobs and like doing stuff yeah go figure if we move around some all day you know our long periods it's good for you yeah our ancestors all they did was walk around walk man and it's it's really the only form of exercise that's going to lower stress hormones you're going to get a lot of ideas when you're walking so it's just like why would you not do it? Almost most people can walk.

It's a low barrier for people to do something. Yeah. The American diet has got a lot of people on the couch or overweight or big time, all of those things. But, and there's something to be said also, especially when you do it alone.

I find a therapeutic. My wife now go and walk some vacation, things like that, which is a whole different experience alone. When you're you're not talking so you're thinking yes it's like time to think yeah and so i think that's underrated we don't spend enough time thinking yeah really that's fucked up as that is your thought i tell people that all the time that's the number one important thing that we should do as human beings is actually take time to think. Yeah, because without thinking, there's no discernment.

And without discernment becomes taking a lot of orders and just doing what the herd is. Yeah. And that's a problem. It is. At some point. It's a big problem. Yeah. It's the group think and just following along just because that's what it is.

People can't think for themselves what are the six i know there's been success stories from the panda diet the panda method like what what have been some of the gratitude you've gotten from that from seeing the results you say so you have the massive weight loss once 100 pounds plus that's all you've had yeah clients and people have done it oh yeah yeah that's always amazing that's always amazing but it's it's my favorite ones are that dad that's in our age range that all of a sudden man they start looking a little better feeling better confidence comes back and they start to say oh man i've been doing it wrong this whole time or not optimal and that just carries over to them being a better father yeah like that's to me what i really want is i'm passionate about that helping dads become better fathers yeah i know being we can talk about your dad

yeah you got three kids yeah you know what ages again eight six and four so we got two boys and a girl okay who's the youngest emma's youngest oh girl's young yeah yeah that's i told you i got there's four boys in my family three brothers brothers. So this was completely, and we had two boys. So this was new territory for me. Any of your brothers doing the Panda Method? Yeah, they pretty much all do it. Yeah, the youngest one I told you about, he doesn't go as long. He might do like a 20-hour fast.

And he's always like, what about this? I'm like, just do it. I laid out for you. It works, man. But the other brothers do it. Yeah, they do their 48 every week. And then we'll hit, if you want to tighten up a little for summer, okay, we'll hit a string of 72s. It's so simple, man. But the other brothers do it. They do their 48 every week. And then we'll hit, if you want to tighten up a little for summer, okay, we'll hit a string of 72s.

It's so simple, man. Yeah. And you still get to enjoy what you eat. That seems like a good way. I know you're not coaching it this way, but it seems like a good way if you're trying to drop weight quickly too for a week or two. Yeah.

And you drop like 5, 10 pounds. It's so simple. It's so simple if you had to make a weight for a division or something. And if you're putting your sodium in and all that, and if you've already been somewhat acclimated to some type of fasting, it makes it so much easier to get to that weight. Hey, I got to shoot. I got to look this way.

Okay. What are some people, all right, I'm going to play the voice of the people listening. How do you make, how do you get into this where you make it through the fasting obviously it's the willpower and all that stuff we've talked about but what are the tips and tricks to get through the fasting yeah so as far as physically we call it the juice right so there's different salts you would put in your water sodium potassium, potassium, baking soda. So that's going

to help you just feel great. Where most people are deficient. That's one of your supplements, isn't it? Yeah. So it's my one body made it, made it into a supplement as far as it's undisputed juice, which tastes really good. Made with stevia, monk fruit extract, but, or you can make it on your own and just put the salts in there in your water. So that's one thing, right? That's going to fight hunger pangs. It's going to keep performance up. So that's really good. Now it really comes down to the mental. So people are going to feel hunger. And I differentiate when I teach people this. Hunger and appetite aren't the same thing. A lot of people think they're the same thing, right? Hunger can be signaled just by smelling food, right? It doesn't mean you actually need to go eat, right? So when I teach

people, okay, your body fat, one of the main things I teach out to get is a food source. That's the primary reason we have it is fuel. Not the only reason, but the primary reason. So if we want to tap into that, we're going to have to go through these periods where we're not eating for a while, keep insulin low.

So when you feel hunger, you have to reframe it. This is the key thing. This is what fat loss feels like. You feel it. So now you just flipped it in your head. It's almost a good thing. You seek out. Like I get a, saying that, right, I get a little hunger pang right now. I'm like, this is good. It gives me that energy, that primal thing that you got to tap into. So it's just reframing it. That's the biggest thing is that. And then as far

as making it through, incremental fasting is something else that we develop instead of intermittent. Normally, like in my regular Panda Challenge, I'll take people right into the 48 to build their confidence. So, okay, you're going to be fine. Let's go right out the gate. But then the incremental is, okay, just take it 12 hours at a time. So you're not thinking too far out. When you get to that 12-hour mark, decide.

Do I want to keep going? Can I keep going? And that way you can string together some pretty long fasts doing that. But it's really that mental, this is what fat loss feels like. Me, I'm telling myself, I'm building mental muscle every time I do this. And then once it gets to a habit, it's easy. Can we drink whatever we want as long as there's no calories? Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

Pretty much, yeah. Black coffee, tea, you could do. My monster, no energy, no sugar. Yeah, so the thing, I. Pretty much, yeah. Black coffee, tea. You could do. My monster, no energy, no sugar. Yeah. So I went away from, I don't do those that much anymore. Just because all the chemicals in them. Yeah. I'm like, okay, the liver's got to detoxify all this.

But caffeine's okay. Yeah. Yeah, certainly. Yeah. Because caffeine will make, you can keep a cup of coffee, black coffee will. Yeah. Kind of kill hunger. It will.

A thousand percent. That will work out. It's going to really keep that appetite or that hunger limited. Yeah. What's like the most strangest time point? Is it Tuesday morning or Tuesday at lunchtime where it's like the hardest part? You got to get over. Or is it Monday at 7 p.m.?

I would say for most people people if they're doing that protocol it's that monday night around dinner because you have these entrainment patterns when your body expects food yeah tuesday by and large dinner's coming that night yeah you gotta wake up you're kind of yeah you're not that hungry maybe you're gonna feel great tuesday like most people are like man i don't remember ever feeling this great. Like the energy, the clarity, you feel light. So it's the opposite of what people think happens. But as you get closer to dinner, that's when some of those hunger hormones are released because you're expecting it, right?

The pattern. The pattern. It's like, man, I can't wait to get there. So that's where people will usually struggle a little bit. Keep yourself busy. Yeah. That's it. Stay busy.

Keep busy. Where's this all going, that's it. Stay busy. Keep busy. Where's this all going, Kyle? What's the future hold? The future holds, we have a vision of helping millions of people that are struggling. And to me, again,

the body is just, it's the doorway. It's the entryway. Get the body healthy. The body is your temple. It houses your mind and your spirit. So let's get that, and then we can become more confident. We can increase our energy.

And I think it's just really transforming lives, those million lives, through inspiring them. Just sharing how I live. I'm on the same path as everybody else. I'm just learning, and I share what I learn. the same path as everybody else. I'm just learning and I share what I learned. So it's having that legacy when it's all sitting down is okay. People with what I teach with the fasting or the mindset, oh, I want them to look back and be like, of course that was, but we didn't used to think that way. This is the way, this is the way to do it. And the main thing for me is setting the pattern for my kids too, that they see that i'm trying to achieve what i set out to

achieve and giving them that pattern to model like that's the main thing yep strong man if where can people keep up with everything you got going on they can go to the panda man official on instagram tiktok we got a lot of followers there too youtube the panda man official and then if they go to the website the panda man official.com they can get some free downloads and get an awesome fasting book which breaks everything down and people reach out to me i always get back to them personally yeah man yeah that's awesome i really appreciate you coming in i want to do a follow-up here later in the year yeah i would love that it's always i don't know meeting people your similar age and mindset it's always rewarding and i just can't appreciate it enough.

Yeah, thank you, Ron. This has been awesome. We'll definitely have to do part two, man. Yeah, for sure. Hey, guys, you can find us at theradcast.com. Search for Kyle Newell. You'll find all or just the panda man. Are you kidding me?

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