Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Jesse Palmer - Former NFL Quarterback, Actor, Sports Commentator and TV Personality

Episode Date: April 19, 2022

Welcome to another episode of The Radcast! In this week’s episode, host Ryan Alford talks to Jesse Palmer, Former NFL Quarterback, Actor, Sports Commentator and TV Personality.Jesse, who grew up in a family of football players, discusses how he dealt with pressure during his first year in amateur football and then in the National Football League (NFL). Jesse also reveals some of his favorite quarterback experiences and insights while in the NFL.He talks about why he decided to pursue a career in broadcasting and how his experience on "The Bachelor" played a pivotal role in this decision. Jesse also describes how he felt when he initially got the invitation to host the said reality show, as well as the challenges he faced and how he overcame them.As a TV personality, Jesse expresses how he would like to be seen by viewers of “The Bachelor”, as he also shares the lessons he learned and the values he lives by while being in front of the camera a long time. To know more about Jesse Palmer, follow him on Instagram @jessepalmer and Twitter @JessePalmerTV.If you enjoyed this episode of The Radcast, let us know by visiting our website www.theradcast.com. Check out www.theradicalformula.com. Like, Share and Subscribe to our YouTube account https://bit.ly/3iHGk44 or leave us a review on Apple Podcast. Be sure to keep up with all that’s radical from @ryanalford @radical_results @the.rad.cast. If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE.  Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding.  Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel  www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford. 

People either love Coach Ferger or they hate Coach Ferger. A lot of guys that have played for him generally love him. Yeah, totally. I mean, back in 2004, nobody, no guy would have been done. 2022, now people are like, yeah, like the show's not, it's like, it's a huge part of pop culture. I had no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all. And that really sort of taught me, like, you've got to find whatever it is that gets you ready and just believe in it. But I don't try to try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years.

You're listening to the Radcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host, Ryan Alford. Hey, guys. What's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. We're talking Bachelor today. We're talking college football.

We're talking Jesse Palmer. What's up, brother? Good, brother. Good being on with you. How are you doing? I'm doing great, man. Fabulous. I've been dying to have you on the show. I've been a big fan from afar. Watching you play college football. I remember you playing. I'm old enough to remember that.

I was going to say, you're definitely dating yourself right away. Date myself. I remember your playing days and you do a hell of a job with ESPN. And I was like, you know, and then you picked up the dang bachelor gig. I'm like, dude, I just got to talk to this guy. So, uh, I know you're a, you're a busy man, so appreciate it. Yeah, man. So, uh, I think by now you're getting to be a household name, but you know, for our audience, I definitely just want to kind of get into your journey. Um, you know, you can start it and tell it from wherever point you want, but I think you got a real unique perspective and obviously a very unique journey and winding path. Let's start down that, man. Yeah, unique journey. That's definitely a good way to put it and to tease it.

I never expected that I would be in the position I am today, for sure. I grew up in a small town outside of Ottawa, Canada. It's called Peehan. And my dad was a former professional football player. My mom was a model. I grew up wanting to be an NFL quarterback. And I knew that from the time that I was seven years old. And it was an awesome dream to have, but it was kind of unique and weird because I was in Canada where everybody loves hockey and everybody just talks about hockey. Football is really not that big of a deal. And I just worked and grinded and played. I played every sport growing up, but my dad was my coach and I got really lucky. And a big turning point in my life was getting a

scholarship to play for Steve Spurrier at the University of Florida. I got there right after they won a national championship in 1996. Danny Werfel had won the Heisman Trophy. So it was really just a unique time in my life. And fast forward four years from there, got drafted by the New York Giants, played in the NFL for about five or six years, and then started my career into sports broadcasting with ESPN. That essentially is what opened up the door for a lot of TV opportunities as well.

Yeah, I love it, man. A lot to unpack there. I am going to go down the Spurrier route for a second. I went to Clemson. I'm a Clemson guy. Spurrier was at USC when they handed Clemson like their worst five years in a row losing. And I'm like, God, and then now I love the guy. It's like a love-hate relationship. How is Spurrier?

It's just, I don't know, as crazy as it seems. Or like, is it, I don't know. The guys that love him, love him. I mean, you know, it seems like. Yeah, well, that's a good way to put it. He's definitely, you know, people either love Coach Spurrier or they hate Coach Spurrier. A lot of guys that have played for him generally love him.

I mean, you know, it was such a unique time to be playing for him with the Gators because he was just so innovative on offense. And that was a time where he was really sort of changing the game with spread offense and aggressive play calling. so innovative on offense. And that was a time where he was really sort of changing the game and with spread offense and, and aggressive play calling. And we took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points and won a lot of games. And so, you know, it was, and then, you know, it was, he's such a unique character and personality as well,

just because of his he's like a walking soundbite. I mean, any, any, any time he opens his mouth,'s it's it's on the front page because of it's just incredible um he oftentimes doesn't have a filter but that's that's what people love about him too yeah and so you know it's he's he's definitely he's a legend it was so cool playing for a guy that that changed the game that is a legend in the sport and was really sort of in the prime of his coaching and the crazy part is was was i think a lot of people could argue what he did at south carolina after that might have been as impressive as what he did with the gators people sort of expected him to win sec

titles with florida but yeah the turnaround that that that he kind of got south carolina underway and how he kind of really took that program over to me, I think is just as impressive. Yeah, no, I think 100%, especially growing up in South Carolina and knowing them and the SEC were, they were the doormat of the SEC until he got there for the most part and, you know, freaking beat Alabama,

beat Clemson five times, five years in a row. Like it was a little bit before Dabo got rolling, but at the same time, Clemson five times in five years in a row. It was a little bit before Dabo got rolling, but at the same time, Clemson had a lot more legacy, a lot better players a lot of the times, and it just kicked our ass. I think what was funny, what was surprising, was just how well he recruited in state at South Carolina. He was able to get guys like Alshon Jeffrey, Marcus Lattimore, obviously Clowney. You think about these guys that came in and just the best player in the state

and just impact guys that really sort of kind of set him up. He's just one of these dudes who throughout his career has put guys in position to be successful and to go on to the NFL and have successful careers there. It's pretty amazing what he did. I agree. I agree. Briefly, how do you define when you look back at the NFL experience? Is it fond? Does it feel like a blip now?

I mean, obviously it was five, six years, but how is that in your memory banks now, holding up or like it's just incredible? Best years of my life. Yeah. I mean, when I say when I was seven years old, I wanted to play in the NFL, I don't mean that like every seven-year-old kid says that.

I was absolutely obsessed with football. I had like 14 posters of quarterbacks in my bedroom. I had this massive poster of Joe Montana on my ceiling that I would look at when I went to bed. I mean, I ate, breathed, and slept football all day, every day. I had a Miami Hurricane rubber football that I packed in my knapsack that I took to school every day to throw around. I was like the only kid playing football because no one else wanted to. You know, when I look like the day I got drafted by the New York giants was such a magical moment because all the hard work, all the sacrifice, and really just being grateful

and thankful to all the people that helped me achieve that and get there. I mean, it was really, really tough odds for a kid from the PN Ontario to end up getting drafted and then end up starting games in the National Football League. I would have loved to have had Tom Brady's career. There's no doubt about it. But the thing is, when I look back on it, man, I got to do something that so few people ever did. And so I sort of look at it like ever did. And so I sort of look at it like I lived my dream. I did it. I achieved my goals and everything else that has happened since then is literally just icing on the cake. I don't have any regrets. I'm not resentful at all. I have a lot of buddies that played football that had really bad breaks. They got hurt. They were talented guys, made bad decisions,

got hurt, life happened, and they couldn't pursue their dream of playing in the NFL. And years and years later, people really harbor that kind of stuff. And it just kind of sticks with them. It sticks in their gut and it affects them. And I totally get it. I understand it. I was so lucky to be able to avoid a lot of pitfalls, injuries, life, whatever it is, to have had the opportunity to have those five, six years in the NFL. Dude, those were the best days of my life. And when I was starting games, I was getting a crap kicked out of me. But honestly, dude, I would do it all over again in a millisecond to be on the field

again with the guys because it was that that's the only thing i ever wanted to do since i was seven years old so i'm internally grateful to so many people and to the experiences i had i love it man i'm gonna make this, and I want to get your opinion. There's something about you. I see you on television. I'm talking to you now. There's a joy and a happiness. Some people, you feel like they carry the weight of the world, or they have issues or whatever.

I think it may even be polarizing maybe for people with you because I always just sense and I've always liked this about you. There's just kind of like this, I'm in this moment and I'm enjoying it and I'm a happy person. And I don't know, I've just always respected that about you. And the more I talk to you sitting here, I'm like, it feels real. Like even like, yeah. And like, and I don't know if you've ever talked about that, but like, I don't know. And I don't know where that comes from, just that joyous spirit or happiness. Dude, you're the first person that's ever actually asked me that. That's a great question, man. I appreciate it. I try to think of myself as being a guy that's in the present,

and I try to stay cognizant of that. And it might have to do with playing football all those years and just listening to buddies and teammates always talk about woulda, coulda, shoulda. I shouldn't have come to Florida, man. I should have gone to South Carolina. I would have been a starter and I'd be in the league right now if I'd done that.

If I didn't come here, I wouldn't have torn my ACL. I should have never married that girl. If I didn't do that, I would have had this time to do these things. And on the flip side of that, people always just so worried about the next contract, the next, you know, what was happening way down the line. And it just seems so stressful to me. And I wasn't even the one saying those things. Those weren't even my thoughts, but just being surrounded by all that, that fear all the time and that negative, I don't want to say negative energy, but the, the nervous energy, that's a good way to put it. It was draining on me. And I just felt, I think happiest and the most comfortable when I just really thought about the here and now.

And, and at ESPN, like when we're in studio and we're doing a halftime, I'm just really trying to enjoy that moment and that halftime. And I'm not worrying about the one-hour-long college football final that's going to go live at 2 a.m. that we're all going to be dreading because we've been awake for 15 hours. You know, it's just trying – you know, I guess people have told me that's a very Buddhist way of thinking about things. And I'm not a Buddhist. It's just, it's just how I sort of have tried to compartmentalize things because I think our

lives can, can at times seem, uh, like there's a lot going on and it, and it, it'll give you that anxiety. I mean, I don't even have kids yet. I can't imagine. Someone like we were talking before we started, you've got four boys. Dude, I can't imagine you having to think about balancing that and your wife and your kids and now your podcast and your job and your family and travel. Like, I don't know how you do that either. You must be the same. You must just be in the moment. I'm wired very similar. And I guess, I don't know, you kind of recognize it in yourself when you see someone else.

But I've always admired that about you because I've always felt like that was true. It was like, but until I really kind of had this conversation and I'm hearing you talk and I'm like, you know, it's one-to-one. I'm like, okay, that's not a paint. That's not fake. Like, that's real. Appreciate it, brother. Yeah, man. And so I. Like that's real. Like, and, uh, yeah, man. And, uh, so, uh, I really appreciate that in you. I think there's just so much, I don't know, kind of too far ahead and

maybe not in the moment and a lot of negativity. And I feel like I've just never sensed that from you. So I appreciate that. Um, so, Hey man, so let's talk a little bit about, we talked, you just brought up some of the college football stuff. I mean, that's coming up. I mean, it's got to just remain a passion. I mean, like, you're great at it. You're good at calling, you know, play by – you do both color – you do some color too, right?

Color and play by player. Yeah, I mean, I used to do color and studio for a while. And then there was a while there too where I was calling two games a week for three years so brett musburger and i were doing the sec network together yeah and then i was doing thursday night football um traveling sort of all over the country it was a lot but but kind of like you said i mean if you really enjoy what you're doing like i love football and i love college football like i love i love college football um I love college football. Again, not to keep going back to Canada, but Canadians, obviously, all my best friends are there.

I love them. They have no idea about passionate fan bases in football. They don't know about those Clemson Tigers. No, they don't. I always tell them, they're like, dude, Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maple Leafs, best rivalry in sports. And I'm like, it's a great rivalry, but you really should at some point in your life, try to get to Alabama LSU or try to do like, if you can see like, yeah, like Georgia, Florida, or one of these games, Clemson, South Carolina. If you can go down and see that, it's just a total game changer. And when I lived it for four years, it was an indoctrination into a religion that I never even knew existed. And I just immediately knew that I was home. Like when I left Nepean and I showed up in Gainesville, Florida, I knew I was home because everybody loved football. They wanted to talk about it all the time just like i did and having the last 15 16 years at espn to do this as a job and get to travel to these go to memorial stadium

at clemson go down to to bryce williams stadium i mean dude it's it's there was bryce it's amazing to get to do all that and then talk about it and be around passionate people. I just love it. Yeah, man. Is there a moment that sticks out? I mean, like one of your best moments. I'm sure you've had a ton now, but like whether it was at a game

where the energy was so high or, I don't know, maybe in studio. I don't know. Is there a moment or two that are standouts at this point? Yeah. I mean, it's funny, man. It's funny. You can think back and I remember so many games and amazing environments that I was in at the time. There have been a few, oh crap moments though. The first was when i was i called my first game with brett musburger he's such a legend oh yeah and he's a guy that's called he's called so many big games in college football in the nfl he's been to like ollie frazier he's done so many different things olympics

everything but we were at uh we were in south carolina doing a texas a&m south carolina game But we were in South Carolina doing a Texas A&M South Carolina game. And the broadcast started. And the place is going nuts. And they're playing Space Odyssey. And the place is absolutely freaking out. And all of a sudden, he comes on. And you hear the classic, you are looking live.

And I had this oh, crap moment where I just froze. Like, oh, crap. Like i'm in the booth with brent musburger about to call this game how cool is that and then you know there was him and i called an iron bowl we did a bam auburn game uh which was incredible uh him and i called rose bowl which i mean i still i still can't believe i did that. I mean, and so. Bucket list. Yeah, it's like stuff that when I started at ESPN, I mean, I was just, you could have thrown me, my first game I called was Rice versus UTEP and it was the greatest thing of all time. Like it was the greatest thing ever. You're definitely a junkie.

If you told me that like down the road, I'd get a chance to be in Pasadena, Rose Bowl with Brent Musburger. I mean, it's amazing the journey and how lucky I've been honestly because it's I just I don't take a second of that job for granted so I well I and it's funny like every college football nut myself included goes damn that'd be a dream job you know like yeah I mean and I'm like it's and it's never as sexy like you said 2 a.m stuff you get tired there's always stuff, and it's never as sexy. Like you said, 2 a.m. stuff, you get tired.

There's always stuff that's, it's a job. People forget that. But damn, getting that, have your passion and your work come to life. And you got to remind yourself, too. There are a lot of people out there that would slit your throat for your job. Oh, yeah. Like, it's, I know we all go through things. Like, when we have a job we really love, and sometimes it gets tough, like you were mentioning. And all go through things. When we have a job, we really love it. Sometimes it gets

tough, like you were mentioning, and all of them do. No such thing as the perfect job. But it's in those moments that you really do have to remind yourself, don't take it for granted because there's somebody out there who's very, very hungry that wants your job and they'll do anything to get it. It's a good reminder, I think, for people sometimes when you sort of get in tough spots. What do you think is attributed to your longevity with ESPN? Like, do you, I mean, you're easy to work with, I'm sure, but are there things?

Because it's kind of where I was wanting to go, like this nature or nurture thing with you, man. I can't quite put my finger on it. Like, you know, both your joy in doing things, because it's kind of where I was wanting to go, like this nature or nurture thing with you, man. I can't quite put my finger on it. Like, you know, both your joy in doing things, your attitude, but, you know, I'm almost kind of getting at what makes you successful while also asking, you know, that longevity is not easy in the sport you just described. Yeah, I mean, for me, I mean, I just, this kind of goes back to playing football. It's like I was, I just work really, really hard at it, and I study a lot.

I watch a lot of tape. I watch so much film. Every year I've got just books and binders of notes that I've taken watching teams. I put a lot into it. And I think a lot of people that do this job, everybody sort of has their own path and their own way that they operate. Some guys are great at just not studying and just kind of showing up and watching the game and just giving it to you raw and live um i sort of look you know i do it the way i used to play quarterback where you watch film you study

the opponent you do it for a week and then you're able to sort of take everything that you that you've studied and you've got in your head and you sort of kind of spit it out on game day with respect to what you're seeing so i i hope part of my longevity has to do with the product that i'm putting out and a lot of that really is preparation um and and really real really hard work it's i'm not the guy that just kind of shows up and wings it um and i i hopefully hopefully for for the uh the fans and the viewers at home hopefully that comes across no No, it does. I always feel like you're over-prepared. It does come across that way. Almost like, again, it's a compliment,

robotically, not because you're a robot, but because I'm like, the detail. Yeah, totally. I remember playing for Sean Payton with the New York Giants, and I remember he would grind. He was like a John Gruden disciple who would grind all hours of the night. We'd be in our quarterback meeting Friday morning. Sean had the biggest eye bags.

He was crushing dip. He had a coffee. He was double fisting coffees. He was going through it. He would put so much work into our game plan. Our playbook for that week was huge. We would lose a game and be really disappointing and just, just put up six points and just all 160 yards. And I used to think to myself, like, man, like, how's he going to change? Like,

obviously that was not a good outcome. We lost the game. That was embarrassing. How is he going to change his preparation the next time? And to his credit, he never did. He just trusted the process. He went back in the office at 4 a.m. on Sunday or on Monday and just started the whole thing again, trusting that in believing in what he was doing was right. is that gets you ready and just believe in it. And I have good days in studio and I have bad days in studio and I have good days in the booth and I have bad days in the booth, but I don't try to try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years. Yeah. I think it's good for people to hear that because dude, man, you look like you got it all together. You're a good looking guy. You've been on The Bachelor, which we're going to get to. And it's like, but no, this guy is busting his ass, working hard, preparing, and it doesn't just get handed. It's like hard work.

And I think it's good for people to hear that from you because I think there's just a – you know, I mean, you know your deal. I'm sure you've dealt with that in your life. You know, oh, you got it easy or something, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, I mean, listen, listen, no doubt about it, and I tell people this all the time. My career at Florida and playing in the NFL and being on The Bachelor, to some extent, did that help me land ESPN? Absolutely it did.

Of course it did. But once you get there, what do you do with it? Because we've also had a lot of – we've had NFL Hall of Famers at ESPN that got a job because of that but they didn't last very long because they didn't because they didn't they didn't work very hard yep and at the end of the day it's just you know at the end of the day it's it's you know it's your it's your your resume your game tape your film and what you put out on on on camera at ESPN and studio and in the booth that that is your resume and it speaks for itself i think it does

brother because i've seen the turnover and and but you're a mainstay with college football hopefully for a long time let's talk about the bachelor let's talk about it uh you were the bachelor and you're the host of the bachelor you know replacing chris harrison who was there for 20 i don't know the guy looks our age or my your age I don't know how old you are. How are you, 40 yet? Are you getting there? I'm in there. You're in there, getting in there. I'm in there somewhere.

We're in there somewhere. But Chris Harrison looks whatever, but he's done The Bachelor for 28 years or whatever. So you got to follow him up. I think you've done a great job. But I don't know, just talk about that Bachelor experience. What's that been like? Yeah, it's been wild.

I mean, going back to 2004 when I became the bachelor, that was kind of this amazing opportunity. It's funny. I've always sort of been a guy that just kind of tries to take opportunities and make the most out of them and just kind of have fun with, again, kind of being in the moment, not worrying about what the repercussions are of it. kind of being in the moment, not worrying about what the repercussions are of it. And so, you know, I'd be lying if I told you that in 2004, I knew what I was doing. I wouldn't believe you if you did say you did. If I had said, trust me, like I'm going to do that. I'm playing in the NFL right now. I'm going to do this job. And in a couple of years, this is totally going to open doors for me in my broadcasting career. I had no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all. So, you know, that whole thing happened. And with beyond a shadow of a doubt, I don't know, I don't know if it really helped me with ESPN, but it definitely helped me with food network,

with good morning America. And obviously being the host of the bachelor now years and years later, daily mail and some of these other, other shows that I've been associated with. It has been so cool this year coming back years and years later to be part of the franchise again. And the amazing thing has just been how much bigger the show is now. Like, dude, when I did it in 2004, reality TV was like a brand new thing. And I remember being in the locker room with all the guys in the New York Giants, like Michael Strahan, Tiki Barber, Imani Toomer. And I'm having to explain to them what reality TV is and then also what The Bachelor is. What is that?

So wait, you're going on a reality show to get a date? Is that kind of what you're doing? It's a little bit more than that. You're going on. You're hopefully going to get married. It that kind of what you're doing like it's a little bit more than that like you're going on you're hopefully going to get married it's it's all on reality tv um and explain all that and then today to fast forward like the the budget's obviously way bigger obviously the travels the travels crazy it's still the nuts and bolts are the same and the concept of it is the same um but the the fans and bachelor nation has just grown by leaps and bounds they've multiplied i can't think of another show that has a fan base so

into it and just so so emotional about it and so invested in it it's kind of like it's like a clemson fan base or an sec fan that's what it feels like like. Yeah, right. It's just that they are so passionate about it. And that's been really, really cool to sort of be back part of that. Yeah, man. And I think you've done a good job. It's a rabid fan base. I mean, and I'm one of those.

It's a, I don't even call it a guilty pleasure. I don't know why as a man, we feel like we have to say guilty pleasure when we say we like watching The Bachelor. But my wife has loved it forever. So she kind of got me on it. And then now we enjoy it so it's like that's a thing yeah you know and i think guys are like ashamed but you know you know you're watching it yeah totally i mean back in 2004 nobody no guy would admit that 2022 now people are like yeah like the

show's about it's like it's a huge part of pop culture that everybody's girlfriend or wife watches so on monday nights you're right there i was talking to kirk herbstreit to herbie It's a huge part of pop culture that everybody's girlfriend or wife watches. So on Monday nights, you're right there. I was talking to Kirk Herbstreit, to Herbie, the other day. I mean, on Monday, he's texting me throughout the episodes. He's watching it, too. So it's like whether we admit it or not, we're all doing it. Oh, yeah.

It's a lot of fun. Exactly. What's been the – and I know we've got to wrap up but what's what's been like any shocking moments or holy cow moments from the season you know like i know there's a lot but there have been so many well this this year has been absolutely crazy like this is not what i signed up for i i thought i was coming into this thing it was just going to be like some kind of formula but a seminar like a five-hour yeah keep it in the fairway just kind of like yeah like blatant brought out like his driver on every like he's just taking he's taking to

shambo rips and like just things are like balls are spraying um it's been it's been a very emotional roller coaster this thing has gone off the tracks a few times and we're at a point right now in the show where we're coming up on the finale next week monday and tuesday live um on after the final rose and and we don't know how this ends like we were we were shooting we were shooting everything out in iceland back in the fall and i mean i left i left set thinking okay i know how this – it's over, and I know what happens. And there is so much chaos and so much drama that is just – as everybody has seen, has just happened in Iceland, and it's going to come up.

There's so many questions that are still unanswered, and we're going to get the answers to all of it finally live on Monday and Tuesday, and I can't wait. That's going to be my oh, crap moment, Monday and Tuesday. It's crazy. You know, there used to be these unspoken rules on The Bachelor. What they did, what they didn't do. The last few years, it's been trending towards this, there's no rules, there's no nothing. This season's been the epitome of that. I know. Clayton's forging his own path, man. He's doing things his way. Yeah.

And it's led to a lot of drama. And now he's going to have to deal with the consequences. And we're going to see how he's able to sort of navigate the situation that he's gotten himself in. I agree, man. Is it nature or nurture for you, man? Is this all like your parents just raised you well or you for you, man? Is this all like, is your parents just, just raise you well, or do you just, you just built this way? You know, I, man, I mean, not to get all Freudian. I don't know. It's like, I, I, oh, listen, I was very, very lucky. I had two incredible role models and my, my mom and my dad,

they definitely instilled a lot of discipline in me, a lot of work ethic and a lot of gratitude and appreciation growing up at a very young age. And I think staying close to them throughout my entire life and having the messages reinforced over and over, um, I think has definitely helped a lot. And I think trying to be around like-minded people and, uh, you know, we, we talked a lot about my teammates back in the day and and football is a funny thing it's like like college football especially there's like 120 dudes in there in the locker room and there's a lot of guys um you got to be careful who your circles are everyone's every every football player's got a kind of a tiny circle you got the team you got

the offense you got you know but you get like four or five dudes different positions whatever that you kind of run with. And I think you've got to be careful who those guys are. I was always trying to make sure they were positive people that were appreciative of what we were doing and loved what we were doing. And I think family and I think my circle, my teammates and my buddies, I think, and my wife, Emily, is really the biggest reason. I think all those hold true in everything, not just sports and for you.

I think keep your circle small and right. Yeah, that's it. Hey, man, last question. Do we know – is this a continual thing with the Batchelor, or is it just contract by contract? Or do we know if you'll be back? Can you say otherwise? Because we're in such a

mess right now. I'm just trying to get my guy to the finish line Tuesday night. I'm just trying to get him. I didn't think we were going to be here. But I've got to help Clayton out. I've got to get him to the finish line come Tuesday. And then I guess we'll see from there. I will say this.

I really have had an amazing time doing this. I thought it was going to be fun. I've actually enjoyed this more than I even expected I would. So I've had a real blast doing it. So we'll see what happens. That's great. I think you've done a really good job. Last thing I want to say, because I didn't know,

because you're a charismatic guy, and you've been the bachelor. And I was like, how's he going to be Switzerland? You know, because that's kind of what Chris Harrison, like his greatest attribute was he was so Swiss. And I think that's why you'd respect him. And I was like, how is Jesse going to do this? Not because you're arrogant or you've got to be a center of attention. It's just more like you're that guy.

And I was like, I think you've done an admirable job of kind of finding that neutral zone. So I'll give you that. You're towing the line. I appreciate it, dude. I've tried to not make it about me. It's like, I don't want to be like the old Uncle Jesse who's like, back in my day, I would have done this.

This is what you need to say. I just want you to like, this is Clayton's, this is his game. This is his deal. He's got to figure it out. I'm sort of there to try to keep him. I'm trying to give him the seven iron as much as I can hold it for him. I'm like, dude, just lay up.

But at times, he's swinging for fences. Jesse, I know everybody knows probably where to find you, but where do you direct people when they're wanting to keep up with you? Oh, just Instagram. Jesse Palmer on Instagram and Jesse Palmer TV on Twitter is pretty much

it. Hey, man. Hey, I really enjoyed this. I hope we can do it again down the road and would love to stay in touch. Absolutely, brother. Thanks so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Hey, guys. We really appreciate Jesse Palmer. Go follow The Bachelor this season. If you're listening to this,

the season's probably already over, but guess what? Jesse's still out there. Go check him out on College Football. He's great. We really appreciate him. You know where to find us? We're at theradcast.com. Search for Jesse Palmer. You'll find all of the content from today. I'm Ryan Offord on all the platforms. We'll see you next time on the Radcast.