Right About Now with Ryan Alford - Ways to optimize your experience on the audio-based social media app Clubhouse, with host Ryan Alford and guest Mike Ham

Episode Date: February 2, 2021

Happy Tuesday! We have a great episode for you today, and we think you'll enjoy it. Ryan talks with guest Mike Ham, Commercial Sales Executive at Fidelity National Title Group and host of The Morning Spotlight Podcast, to discuss the growth and engagement of the audio-based social media app, Clubhouse.Both Ryan and Mike were invited to the app within the last couple months. They both discuss their opinion of the app, the uses and growth of it, and the ways to optimize your time in the rooms.To follow along with Mike Ham and The Morning Spotlight Podcast, check out his website here. If you'd like to join one of his rooms, feel free to reach out to him. You can follow him on LinkedIn and Instagram.If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. We love to hear from you! | Do you want to hear more from our host? - Give him a follow @ryanalford on Instagram. | The Radcast is a product of @radical_results | #theradcast #radicalmarketingresults  If you enjoyed this episode and want to learn more, join Ryan’s newsletter https://ryanalford.com/newsletter/ to get Ferrari level advice daily for FREE.  Learn how to build a 7 figure business from your personal brand by signing up for a FREE introduction to personal branding https://ryanalford.com/personalbranding.  Learn more by visiting our website at www.ryanisright.comSubscribe to our YouTube channel  www.youtube.com/@RightAboutNowwithRyanAlford. 

you're listening to the radcast if it's radical we cover it here's your host ryan alford hey guys what's up welcome to the latest edition of the radcast i hope everyone's having a happy and fast flying january it's been a whirlwind for us and I'm really excited to have our guest today, Mike Hamm. Welcome to the show. It's good to be here, Ryan. Thank you so much. This is really exciting. You guys are doing some great stuff and talking to Riley on Clubhouse. I know we're going to get into that and everything, but yeah, I'm pumped to be here, man. Yeah, man. So Mike, you host the Morning Spotlight, which is like a fellow podcaster, a podcast

on real estate, sales, marketing, all of the above, and you're a sales executive at Fidelity National Title Group. Did I cover everything correct for you? Yeah, that's pretty much it. That is me in a nutshell right now. Yeah, sweet. So I have to ask, as a fellow as a fellow podcaster? You know, I know we talked a little pre episode about some of the evolutions. How's that gone? Have you been

enjoying it? Yes. I mean, that is one thing that like, you know, 2020 through a lot of curveballs and a lot of like, you know, bad things at us, but like a silver lining for me was finding out that like hey i actually really enjoy getting on a mic and talking to people from around the country recently did a couple you know i was a guest on a guy's podcast from wales i had a woman that lives in costa rica on my podcast so now it's basically like we're international now baby like we're worldwide it's awesome um but uh but that was one thing that i think came out of 2020 i'm super happy about that i like found that as a way to kind of get through the year and always a way to kind of help me market and network and, and do some different things that once I get back world, the podcasting world, and couple it with that in-person frequent, you know, frequent in-person

events, all that kind of stuff world. I think that's going to be, that's going to be where I really start to kill it is because I'll have these two platforms that I can message out to people. I love it. So did you start the podcast? I mean, primary, I mean, it's,'s you know it's in your field you know title work real estate all of those things I assume it was you know based on that but I mean what was the origination for for the show uh it was honestly it was for networking and it was for something to do honestly because like I started so I live in New Jersey in March basically we went into super lockdown in the middle of march and i just i i for work so i sell title insurance and my my world is strictly built on relationships

and service because it doesn't matter what company you go to you're going to get charged the same price for the same service doesn't matter right so um i needed a way to try to differentiate myself add some value keep my name in my face out there. So then when those real estate transactions did start happening again at some point in 2020, I was able to actually like, people wouldn't forget who I was. So I started running some virtual networking events. We started them basically immediately.

I was like, we just need to get out there. So we started them Tuesday nights at five o'clock and we would run those weekly every Tuesday. We did it for 13 straight weeks. We'd get 35, 45 people every week in the real estate world, which was awesome. Um, it was also super depressing that we had to go for that long, but you know, whatever, uh, we do them every, we do them biweekly now, which is, which is fine because it kind of, people get zoomed out after a while. Um, and virtual networked out. I'm sure, you know, you know that and everybody knows that if they're

listening to this. um but i was posting about them about those events on linkedin because that's where most of my followers are and that's where like i've built up a good amount of people that follow me and my content um and what i noticed was i was getting like a thousand fifteen hundred views every time i would post about those events so then i had heard from people that I know that are in the marketing world, I have no background in marketing at all. I heard that that's a good way, a good way to get your message out there more is through video. So then I was like, why don't I start this little show where I take these people that I network with or clients or friends that have businesses and do

like a five minute interview. And like I was saying to you before we got started, it was very scripted. It was very stiff. You know, like I would write the questions And like I was saying to you before we got started, it was very scripted. It was very stiff. You know, like I would write the questions out. I would give them to the guests and they would sometimes come in with like pre-written answers and would be like reading the stuff. And looking back, I mean, it was like,

I mean, this show is garbage, but it was a good way to kind of get my feet wet with what eventually the podcast kind of became because once I went, I did 60 episodes over a 12 week span span um because i would record them edit them schedule them re-record them in a lot of cases because people just weren't happy with what they were doing um and my personality wasn't really shining through and eventually it kind of just got to be too much and wasn't really fun for me anymore so then i kind of transitioned it in july into

what the show is now so we got the merch obviously, obviously you have to have merch. Um, you know, the, the, my personality is kind of more out there. It's more conversational. Um, just kind of like leaning into who I am and how I go about my business normally. Um, so I think to long winded way to answer your question, that's how the show started and that's where it is now. Um, and that's kind of, I mean, I have so much fun doing it. It's, it's, it's awesome. I think, uh of, I mean, I have so much fun doing it. It's awesome. I think you nailed a lot of points when I talk to people, you know, with why we do the podcast

and people like it's growing so much is it really is that opportunity to, you know, both talk to a lot of people, get comfortable speaking about your profession or otherwise, and just the content development. I mean, it's the Trojan horse for us, you know, building content for the agency, for what we do being a digital advertising agency, you know, getting guests on and then doing other segments and different things like that, filming things,

taking pictures, getting merchandise, everything that you talked about. It really can be the hub for content. And just like we talk with clients all the time and like you noted, like saying, you know, video gets you more out there and all that. It's true. And in our business, what's so funny is how many agencies don't practice what they preach. And, you know, content is just so important now. And it's hard for an agency to find the time. We're doing it for our other clients all the time.

So you have to carve out something natural, and that's what it's become for us. So I think that's a great learning lesson. I know we have a lot of people across the board listening to our podcast that are either well into their marketing career, just getting started, or just getting started in their business career. And I think it's important to hear other perspectives for why and how, you know, effective podcasting can be. Yeah. I mean, like for me, I mean, I'm sure it's a lot different in your world being in the marketing space and all that kind of stuff. But for me, like as a sales rep for a title insurance company, and I'm not sure how much you or your listeners know about title insurance, but it's

at least here in New Jersey, it's a very old school industry. Like there's a lot of older people in it, which is, which is great. There's a lot of experience. My father has been working in the title insurance industry for 35 years. Um, but there's like not a lot of people that are doing the stuff that I'm doing. So while it does take a lot to, for me, at least to kind of do all the stuff that I'm doing, I'm like the only one, at least that I see for the most part that does what I do. And it also doing this podcast world and adding like a different layer of value into, you know, the real estate world here in New Jersey. You know, because like I always look at it, you know, I was mentioning

before, once we get back into those in-person events, like I'm really excited about how I can get somebody on the show that normally if I was at an event, because I'm too new to the industry, I couldn't just like walk up to them and start at an event because I'm too new to the industry, I couldn't just like walk up to them and start talking to them because I'm not as experienced as them. I don't have the connections like they do. And, you know, I would respect the fact if they're talking to three or four other people, I'm just not going to butt into their conversation. But now all of a sudden the guy comes on the show because he wants to talk about whatever it is on my platform to my audience. And now I can walk up to him and now i just took a completely cold intro and made it probably more than warm we're probably hot now

because we just talked for 45 minutes yeah you've got to be the coolest guy in title insurance i mean i think so right i mean i know my look who has the hats you know like all that kind of stuff you are definitely the coolest i think i'm but the funny thing is you know in getting to know you pre-episode and riley telling me about you like i was thinking about how many people i even know in title you know insurance and sales and all that stuff and like i just don't know that many people i can only think of like one or two and they were not the uh the cool factor that that you have going on and they definitely weren't doing podcasting. Yeah. I mean, I pretty much knew people in title insurance my whole life. My dad worked from home for, you know, like recently he started to work from home a lot and I was living at home, you know, not too long ago. And I would always like, you know, bust his chops and be like, you know,

you sound like you have the most boring job in the history of jobs. Like, what do you even talk about in there? And I would like do his voice, you know, like, Oh, like the leasehold policy, blah, blah, blah. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I mean like now kind of being in the industry and granted, like as far as, you know, subject matter in the real estate world, it's not the sexiest subject by any stretch of the imagination, but I have a lot of fun doing it. I like where I work. They kind of give me a lot of freedom, obviously, like I'm doing this and I look like this to kind of do it the way that I want. And as long as I get to where I need to by the end of the year, then they're totally happy with that. So I, you know, I couldn't be happy with where I'm at and I

appreciate the coolness because, you know, everybody wants to be cool. They want to be a cool kid. Yeah. Well, I am, I do want to pause for a minute and I do want to talk, you know, I know you and Riley met on clubhouse and I do want us to kind of get into a good talk about what that's doing to podcasting and the whole nature of it. But before we do, explain to everyone listening, because I think this could be like a learning lesson. You give your synopsis of exactly what title insurance is and what it does. I think that would actually be impactful for people because I think a lot of people don't even know what it is. Yeah, sure.

So I will give the quick and dirty version of title insurance. So title insurance, I mean, like you've heard of car insurance, life insurance, health insurance, all those kinds of insurances. Title insurance is different in that it is the only insurance that you will pay a one-time premium for anything that's happened in the past. When you think health insurance, car insurance, like I pay a monthly car insurance premium for anything that's happened in the past when you think health insurance car insurance like i pay a monthly you know car insurance premium or a six month whatever you do um however you have it set up that's for anything that happens in the future right so it's like you know pre uh prognosticating something going wrong um title

insurance is different like i said it's a one-time premium for anything that's happened in the past it doesn't matter if it's a residential transaction or a commercial transaction you know in real estate you know like to say that there's like a lien on the property or there's an easement through your backyard or in some cases like extreme cases there's you know examples of fraud right where like the guy selling you his house doesn't actually own it and you know then you buy it next thing you know like you don't have a rightful ownership to that property so what we do is we kind of go through we search all the county records and it differs from state to state you know like the total process but it's very similar you know no matter where you go um we

go through we search all the records in the county records offices um you know literally here in new jersey they pull books off a shelf take photocopies and then send it over to us we put together a policy that covers you if in the event that anything that's happened, you know, because like, let's say you bought a house and you didn't realize that there was a lien on that property. You take ownership of that house. The lien doesn't follow the guy that just sold you the house. It's now on you to take care of that. So what we make sure that all that kind of stuff is, you know, gone and like taken care of before you actually, you know, move in and it just protects that investment. So, you know, gone and like taken care of before you actually, uh, you know, move in and it just

protects that investment. So, um, you know, that's, that's essentially the very quick and dirty version of what title insurance is. Um, you know, obviously there's a lot more to it and a lot more different, you know, all different kinds of endorsements and different things that it can cover, but that is the basic. And a lot of that's based on a home is for most people the most valuable thing you purchase and the expense there. If you're buying a car, you have insurance, certain things, but just less valuable. But when you have hundreds of millions of dollars involved, it's just making sure that your ass is covered when you make that purchase. making sure that that your ass is covered when you make that purchase. Like I'm buying this house and when I pay it off, whether it's 15 years from now, 30 years from now or never, it will be mine free and clear. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's there's so many different things, you know, like

with, you know, like whether it's a survey. Right. Like so you think that the property goes to a certain, you know, spot and you're like, wow, I have a huge backyard. And this is, you know, like whether it's a survey, right? Like, so you think that the property goes to a certain, you know, spot and you're like, wow, I have a huge backyard. And this is, you know, like an extreme example, obviously. But next thing you know, you move in that, you know, they do the survey after the fact, and you actually only own like the size of my desk right now, which is like two feet, right? Like, you know, you have no idea unless you actually go through and do that whole process. So it's, you know, it's like, if you're a family or a person buying a house, it's a huge investment, right? Like that's where you're going to raise your family. You want to make sure that what you're buying is what's actually, you know, you think you're buying,

if that makes sense. Um, and then if, you know, on the commercial end, which I do a lot of commercial work here in New Jersey, um, you know, some of these people are investing like, you know, tens, hundreds, millions of dollars in some of these properties, whether it's a refinance or a purchase or whatever. You want to make sure that if you're spending that much money, that you better be getting what you're expecting. I'll never forget growing up as a kid, and someone in my family is going to listen to this episode and remind me of a detail that I'm forgetting, but it had something to do with where we lived, our house growing up and our neighbors. And we had lived there for like 10 years or more.

And somewhere along the way, our neighbor came in and was tried to make a stink over our fence being like eight inches in their property. Yeah. And you've probably heard these stories it's probably like lines right up with it and i just at the time and even to this day like i understood hey it's your it's their property i understood it but at the same time but at the same time i was going up as a kid going why why is he doing you know like but it was sure enough and they made hell over that like it was like and i you know i guess now looking at it as an adult and thinking about it, it is, it's a big deal. But I don't know how you rectify certain things like that. When someone's made an investment on something based on, you know, whatever paperwork there was at the time, or even before my parents bought the house, that fence was there.

You know, and it ended up being worked out somehow. But, you know. Yeah, there's so many different examples of that. And there's actually like, I forget the term. I think it's like adverse use. So if you've used something for like 30 years, it's again, it's different from state to state. But here in New Jersey, it's like if you've used something for so long and done something a certain way for so long, then like almost like by, you know, association, like you just have ownership of maybe that, like where the fence was. If that fence was there for forever. And next thing you know, like everybody that's lived in

that house has used that fence right there the whole time, you know, then it could, you know, change ownership or whatever. But, um, yeah, man, it's, it's, it's like, it's super technical. And like a lot of times, like what's really interesting, at least, you know, in my opinion is like when you, when I watched some of our underwriters actually put some of these policies together like they're looking at documents that are like handwritten in old english from like the 1800s early 1900s it's ridiculous and like they're they're going through and trying to like read this stuff and i was like how do you do this but it's just like it's like a history lesson on your property and you know it's just i don I don't know how they do it. How many eyepieces are in your office? Yeah, right, like little goggles and you gotta like,

you know, yeah. Is this like the national treasure movies, like you know, going through artifacts? Yeah, I've gotta use the Goonies treasure piece to line these things up to read the code. And then on the back of the Declaration of Independence, the actual code of what these things actually mean. Yeah, it's stuff like that. Yeah.

Robert E. Lee. Is this valid? This is from the Confederacy. This is not valid. I watch, I'm going to both make people laugh or cry. I'm not sure. But we watch old episodes of The Andy Griffith Show, which is an old show.

And an episode the other night was on. It was about someone who thought they were becoming a millionaire. And they had old Confederacy money that wasn't worth shit. So anyway. But how many times do you ever – you guys ever had to be bearer of bad news? Like you go – someone's buying something or they think they own something and you guys uncover something. And it's like, do you guys ever have to like break the news to someone? From my end, no.

I mean, basically, like what it really comes down to is making sure that like, you know, the person buying it knows what they're getting. is making sure that the person buying it knows what they're getting. There's Patriot Act searches to make sure that if you're on the Patriot Act list or however that works, that you can't actually buy property in the United States. So there's that kind of stuff. But for the most part, it's not necessarily a bearer of bad news type thing. You can't buy this property. It's just making sure that the people that are buying it, because as long as like everything that,

if it's a reputable title company that did this stuff beforehand and your name's on the deed and everything was recorded the right way by the County, you really shouldn't run into any of those issues. It's really just kind of comes down to, you know, like making sure that the, that what you're getting is what you're, you're you're expecting to get. So there's really no like bearer of bad news type stuff um or finding out that there's hidden treasures buried in your backyard yeah it's just trying to catch those issues beforehand um so that like you know then

you can make an informed decision on what you want to do moving forward and people have walked away from deals you know whether it's at the closing table if they see something on there that they don't like or even beforehand if they see something where they're like, wow, I didn't realize this was part of, you know, whatever it is like, you know, there's this lien on this property that can't be, you know, uh, taken out by the bank or whatever it is. Um, and I just like, don't want to get involved and they'll walk away, which sucks for me because then I lose money because it's a commission for me. Um, but you know, it is what it is. That's the nature of the beast. Yeah, what do you do? So let's transition. So the phenom and the latest buzz in, call it social media,

has become Clubhouse. I got an invite a couple months back and got on. I've definitely been more of a voyeur. I've definitely gotten on stage a few times. And we're looking at some trials and everything's with the podcast but it's a really fascinating platform i know you're pretty gotten pretty engaged on and that's where riley and you talk to me what what's your thoughts and what's been your experience with clubhouse uh time suck for sure yeah i'm glad you said it

yeah it's incredible because like I spent, so I got on there maybe like two or three weeks ago. I forget now because now all my days, my days during COVID have all been blended together. Adding in Clubhouse, it's just, I mean, I don't even know where the days go anymore, but I got on maybe like two or three weeks ago. And like the first room that I really got involved with,

because I would like, you know, jump in and kind of listen. I was like, what is this thing? I couldn't really figure it out. And then one Sunday, my girlfriend's a nurse and sometimes she works weekends. So she was at the hospital working. I was home. It was a Sunday morning. I spent three and a half hours on Clubhouse because somehow I got up onto the stage. Somehow I got made a moderator and people are asking me questions about a podcast and I'm like, you know that I'm not anywhere near an expert, right? The Morning Spotlight is not like this juggernaut of podcasting, you know, stardom. It's just like, it is what it is. But I was, you know, talking and that was like my first real taste of being in it. And then, you know,

as I kind of progressed, I saw like a lot, I'm sure we'll get all into it, but I saw just like a lot of different opportunities where, you know, I can be a guest on a show because like right now I'm here on the Radcast and that became because of Clubhouse. Yeah. I've gotten guests. I, you know, hopefully working on maybe trying to get some clients through Clubhouse to my, once I start really trying to hone in on, on doing some real estate focus rooms and all that kind of stuff. But there's a lot of stuff to weed through. Like there's a lot of crap on there and a lot of like snake oil salesmen for sure. And everybody's trying to like pitch their stuff a lot of times. But if you find the right rooms and the right people, I mean, to me, it is like the best thing going right now.

Like I ran one of those virtual networking events last night and had, you know, a few invites extra that I had just like in my clubhouse account yeah and a couple people were asking about it and i was like oh here just jump on and was just you know promoting clubhouse as much as i could because i just think that right now it's the best thing going and it's you know as long as you have an invite and you get on there's very low barrier to entry there's no paywalls there's no none of that. And it's just a very open format. But once they start getting other different, not iOS users,

like whether it's an Android user or whatever else, once they start coming in, once they actually start implementing some paywall stuff, I'm sure it's going to change the landscape. But right now I spend way too much time on there. Yes. That's been the biggest thing for me is I see the value and I appreciate the knowledge. And you can find some really rich information. I just can't have not found as much time as I want to spend because for me at this stage for us, you know, I would want to be both engaging with people, with peers and sharing knowledge.

engaging with people, with peers and sharing knowledge. But you kind of have to wait in line to kind of get up in the room, you know, right. And like sometimes I have like 10 minute increments and like it happens. It's happened to me a couple of few times where I'm in there and they see me. Someone reads my profile and they usually will bring me up if it's related to a topic, like a marketing topic, you know. I'll get brought up. But it's usually by the time I'm coming to the end of how much time I had to spend. I really appreciate it, guys, but I got to go.

But I see the value of it. I just haven't quite negotiated how to get the most out of it from a time spend. Yeah, so the same way um because like i mean i know people on there and riley's been in rooms with them before um that like they're literally on there from so you know we're both east coast time so like 6 45 a.m to sometimes like two o'clock in the morning they go to bed for four hours they get back up and they're back on clubhouse doing like a morning chat yeah like what are you guys, how, how are you on here that much? Like, I'm not that crazy

with it. Like I usually cut it off, like depending on the day, you know, like five o'clock, eight o'clock PM, that's usually when I'm done. I turn the notifications off. I'm like, I can't do anymore on clubhouse. But one of the things that I have been doing is I'm making sure that I, I just set aside an hour a day. Right? So like I take an hour a day, I do a podcast lunch hour, right? So I just do like 12 to 1 PM and just host a room. And you know, like one of the things where it's like hard to get your voice out there, especially like in some of those bigger rooms where there's so many people, everybody's trying to get on stage because they just want their numbers to go up. Um, that's tough because there's, you know, there's 200, 300 people, sometimes more in those rooms.

But all of a sudden, if you become the guy that's like, you know, giving the platform to other people to come up and ask you questions and you're controlling the conversation, you know, all of a sudden now you're an expert, right? Even if you're not the one that's answering the question, you're the one that set the room up. You're the one that's in control.

It really, it's like doing a podcast, right? I mean, you can, you know, be like the most experienced, most knowledgeable title professional in the world, but sometimes it's hard to get your message out. You can be the most experienced, most knowledgeable marketing professional in the world, but all of a sudden now you're controlling the conversation because you have a podcast, you're having people on, you're talking about the stuff that you want to talk about and it makes everybody sound good. Right. So that's what I've been doing and i just noticed like you know through uh instagram my numbers i think i got like so far in the couple weeks that i've actually been active on there i think my

instagram following has gone up by like 100 people maybe like 80 to 100 people um i think like you know just my overall engagement has been a lot better i I'm, you know, guesting on shows, I'm having finding better guests for my shows, I'm learning so much more about running a podcast. I mean, that's, that's been great. So there's just so many, so many benefits from it. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's sometimes hard to carve out those hours of the day. Luckily, I have a fairly flexible schedule. You know, and I work from home. So it's, you know, I can kind of do my stuff at my leisure. Uh, but yeah, it's, it's, it's tough to find that, that time. I do think what's interesting is it's essentially live podcasting, but you have a built-in audience, you know, like, so you don't have, not even just a built-in audience. It's an interactive audience. Yeah. It builds in live audience and live interactive audience, which is kind of the brilliance of it all you you you know the hardest part with

podcasting is building an audience and or one of there's a lot of i would put that up there uh and with clubhouse like you said you get on and as long as you're willing to interact and engage, you have that built-in interaction and audience that's there. And as long as you are single, have no kids, and plenty of time, no responsibilities, and a job that lets you listen eight hours a day, it can work for you. No, it has value for that. I think it is just carving.

For me, I'm a habits and behavior guy. I'm not a set your clock by my day guy because sometimes it varies. But it's like it takes a little moment. I've been on there for a couple months. By next month, I'll have carved out some amount of time that is either daily or weekly in changing my behavior. You know, like I, I spend a lot of time on Instagram. I have a good following there and, and LinkedIn, which is our business and stuff like some natural things. And even those,

I mean on Instagram for 10 years, but they didn't always come immediate for me. You know, I've got to like work it into the platform, you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah. I get you. Yeah. I mean, it's just like one of those things where like, I'm constantly, cause I have like, so I, I was a guest on one of my friends' podcasts, who's she's in marketing. Um, this is going back, you know, maybe a couple of months. And she was talking on the show about how, you know, like I have such a great marketing plan. Right. But like, I don't like, I think that's so flattering because I am the king of like taking stuff, throwing it against the wall and seeing what sticks. And that's just like

this clubhouse has been one of those things. So like Instagram has been the same way. LinkedIn has been very similar. Clubhouse is just an extension of those, of those platforms and just trying to make sure that I'm figuring out ways that I can get my message out for the show, which ultimately is to try to lead business to me. You know? So yeah, I mean, clubhouse has just kind of been like, I'm just trying to figure it out.

And like, I've always just been the kind of person where if I'm going to do something, I'm just going to like jump into it. Right. I'm not going to have any kind of plan, which is, you know,

both a strength and a serious fault for myself. You know, that's what the show was. I mean, I had no plan going in. I wish I started the podcast now because I would learn so much more about, you know, running a show and audio equipment and whatever. Like I just bought this mic and this camera and this headset. And it was like, okay, let's start a show. And, but yeah, I mean, there's just a lot of value there.

And it's, I think like that's been been it's hard to get off of it for me because I do have such kind of like a fluid schedule. And just like my mindset is just kind of I get distracted easily and just jump into something. I could sit there on Clubhouse and just listen for hours, like you said. But having a plan for sure going in is is key. Where do you think, you know, they're showing hints of it, different things. And Raleigh shared an article with me that I hadn't seen where Twitter is actually trialing a similar service called Spaces. I can't help but think it was brought about from what they've seen with Clubhouse. But, I mean, where do you see the platform going?

clubhouse but i mean where do you see this the platform going uh so i mean this is just like uh you know my thought process on it i think that eventually we're going to get to a point where it's going to be like there's going to be more uh paywalls for some of those bigger rooms and some of those bigger because like there's people that gained like you know 10 000 followers which is a lot for clubhouse yeah um in like a week or two weeks, whatever it is. It just seems like everything is just so accelerated right now. And you know, there's from just like a, a purely the way the platform works. I think that there's going to be a lot of changes kind of as we go, which is why I think that like right now,

like if you haven't gotten onto clubhouse and you have the ability to, I think now's the time to try to get in there and start working on you know your profile and your following and all that kind of stuff because once they start opening up to other platform users um and you know putting those paywalls in it's going to be a lot harder to get your message out and get in front of people to talk to um you know i think that there's because i think i think they went in and we're looking for like, I mean, I don't know if I'm saying this right, but like a billion dollars of funding or valuation or whatever, because it's just like, I mean, it is the thing

right now. And if you're not on it right now, like you're going to, it's going to be harder for you to kind of, you know, develop the type of, you know, network that maybe I have, like I have, I don't know, like maybe 300 followers on there, which is not many, but I'm happy with what I have and what I've kind of been building. Cause I just, I can't just physically and like mentally cannot extend myself across all these platforms, uh, and also work, um, you know, all the, all the time. So I think that like just doing stuff like that, I think is, you know, this is the time to get in on it because I think that the way that the platform operates is going to change quite a bit as we move forward. Yeah. I can't figure out the invites. I use a few.

They give me a few more as far as that. So yeah, it's getting pretty open, even in just the last month. It feels like it's getting more accessible. I know it's still all iOS, but it feels like it's getting more accessible i know it's still all ios but uh you know it feels like it's getting there i don't know what the uh critical mass will be but uh it's got to be opening up because like some even like obscure friends that i have that i not because i wouldn't think they would be cool enough but just because like i never would have thought they'd be on there just because of maybe interest level i'm getting like these notifications and i'm like okay we're getting to we're getting to some some mass here uh at least with ios yeah i i sat in a friend of mine does like mergers and acquisitions and some stuff like that and he told me that he was running a room this morning uh at 9 a.m so he was like do you think you can

come on and and just sit in the room like maybe we could bring you up and ask me a question like a softball question i was like sure so i'm sitting in there and they're doing, I had moderated a room for him before. And there was this one guy who I think is like 78 years old and he's just on there just talking because basically like a conference call and people like that, you know, like they're in that mindset of, of being on a conference call and ask, answering questions and, you know, talking in that kind of environment. It's like, It's such a cool platform because it's so personal because you can hear somebody's voice and you can't just DM them or whatever.

You could go through their Instagram and that way. But ultimately, you have to actually talk to them. That's how Riley and I started talking because she was on one of the rooms that I had. Then I just did a private room with her just to kind of talk about you coming on the Morning the morning spotlight and we talked about me coming on the radcast and it was just, it was perfect because it was just an easy way just to kind of chat real

quick, get it done and then kind of go from there. So, um, yeah, that's, that's, that's what I got.

No, I think, uh, I think if you are in any way, shape or form starting a company, whether it's a, you've got an idea or you're starting something that you're going to need capital on, it's an amazing platform for those things. Not that it's not for any networking, no matter what you're doing, but there's just so the richness of the people that are on there. I think Grant Cardone, who's hawking his TV show more than anything, but dude has been on there a lot. I mean, I think Grant Cardone, who's hocking, I think his, his TV show more than

anything, but dude has been on there a lot. Like I get notifications. I mean, he's on there as much as anyone. I'm like, damn, he's a billionaire. And I know he's on billionaire undercover or something, a discovery show. Uh, but he's been all over it. I'll go into like three different rooms and he's like in two of them. it's insane you see like like a lot of people like that i mean i see like gary v in rooms all the time you know i see grant cardone obviously all the time yeah um you know there's just like it's just a platform that's just so you know it's just you can it breaks down a lot of barriers between you you and those people that you don't think you can talk to um whether it's people that you know maybe are like on the same level as me that I otherwise wouldn't know,

whether they're from across the country, whether they're, you know, big name people like that. Um, it's just as an interesting platform and everybody's trying to get on the train and figure out how they can utilize this to make money for themselves. And that's what, that's what ultimately we're trying to do with all these platforms, right? Is trying to figure out how, you know, I can monetize it or how you can monetize it or how Grant Cardone can. And he's using it to try to drive people to his show,

obviously, you know, and, and, um, I'm using it just to try to like learn and try to grow my network a little bit and hopefully maybe drive some people to my show and maybe one day find a client on there. Like I know people have, um, like the room that I was in this morning, like I was mentioning to you, the guy that was running the room, he's like a multimillionaire. And he told my friend that he's, you know, gotten work through this platform, like through clubhouse, he's made like, you know, like a million dollars or some crazy number. And it was like, how is that possible? I feel like it's only been around for a month. I mean, I know it's been around for longer than that, but I've only started hearing about it recently. i love it man well

mike i really appreciate you coming on the radcast where can uh you know everybody keep up with you um the podcast the morning spotlight and what's your handle on clubhouse let's let's tell everybody where to keep up with everything that's going on with you uh yeah awesome so the clubhouse handle is at tm spotlight so that's just short for the morning spotlight. So TM spotlight, I'm on Instagram, uh, as the morning spotlight at the morning spotlight. Um, and LinkedIn is probably the best place to get me because that's where I spend most of my time. Uh, but LinkedIn and Instagram are usually the, the, uh, the platforms that I'm on the most. Um, and then the podcast itself is literally, you know,

YouTube, Apple podcastss, Spotify, wherever you consume your podcast content, the Morning Spotlight should be there. And if somehow we're not, then let me know because I'll get it there. Sweet. Well, I look forward to running into you on the Clubhouse and to coming on the Morning Spotlight here in a couple months in the next little while.

But I really appreciate you coming on, Mike, and learning more than I ever knew about title insurance uh i knew enough to be like generally what it was but uh i uh i did i can they could pass uh the secondary test now if i got it maybe yeah yeah no problem i was i'm happy that i was able to provide some value there um you know and then talk about Clubhouse, which is just the thing that I just feel like I've been talking about it so much. I'm pumped to have you on the Radcast, and hopefully I can take it to the next level.

I've got to outdo you now. This was awesome. So now I have to take it to the next level and make sure that my episode with you is even better than this. Hey, man. My pleasure. Well, everyone, I really appreciate Mike coming on. You know where to find us.

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