Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - It's all ego

Episode Date: July 17, 2026

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There we go. Lily Chilvers, morning. Here's my eight-year-old Robin saying your name. She's desperate to be famous one day. I'm hoping this is the start of it. He, he, he, he, he, Robin. Don't do you want to. be famous. No? No. I think. I think it's brilliant. Well, I think what I'd say is once the genie's

out of the bottle, you can't go back. Would you go back? Would you put the genie back in the bottle? Potentially, if I could do my job, like the stand-up stuff. You can't. You can't. Well, I can't. But if if I could do all this. That's the deal. That's the deal. That's the deal. The devil strikes. I know. It's definitely brilliant and worth it, as my life is now. But if you said to me, I could, have my life I have now, but not be famous, famous, kind of thing, then and still earn the money I earn, then I'll take that. But if I have to, I wouldn't give up, stand up and doing this. Lily Chilvers, you've dug deep into the conflicted mind of Rob Beckett.

He was holding his hat in his hand. It's life balance, baby. He was going through hell. There's got their life is balance, isn't it? No, no, no, no, there's a trade-off. I've got a wonderful life and access to great. things. However, you lose a little bit of part of you and your privacy in order to have that, and it's whether you're happy with that trade-off. I'm happy with that trade-off, but if you

could click your fingers and take it away. Doesn't feel like he's happy with that trade-off, Lily. It doesn't feel like he's happy with that trade-off. I'm accepting. I'm content with that trade-off. I understand. It has to have those rubbing his hair in a stressed way. Yeah. And you never do that, do you? I do. And that's why I can see it. It takes one to no one. I've been listening since the start, the dark soul of Rob Beckett. You get me through my commute to work, love the pod, keep up the good work, thanks for the laugh. Lily, 396 months from Norfolk. Norfolk, there we go, go on, Lily.

Quick piece of correspondence before we hit into the... Come on, let's give you one. Here we go. On the topic of thongs. Yes. Hello, you sexy bastards. In relation to the thong chat, I thought I'd write in as a seasoned thong wearer. I am 28 with an 8 year old

While I would never give her my underwear to wear I say thongs are more comfortable than normal pants If normal pants you get a wedgy But with a thong it's constant but not the same It's much more comfortable And you're not spending the day pulling big pants out of your asshole Hope this helps Emma There we go

There you go, that's one for the thong wearers out there You should give it a go Josh See if you find it comfortable for your next run Just as part of the pod I don't think I would enjoy it I don't think I would enjoy it though You can't go from Sonsville grandad to a thong It's not.

Exactly. No one's ever done that. I don't think they do actually. I'm not a thong guy. No. But there we go. Rob, here's a little game for people to listen. Each person that we interview,

imagine whether you think they're wearing a thong. I don't like this guy. I'll give you a clue. One of them is. Right, here's the best off. We'll have a little break over the summer. Enjoy it. We'll be back soon with more weekly updates.

How crutted and welcome to Parenting We've wanted Joe for ages. I can't believe it's been this long and we've just got you. Well, I don't know. I mean, that's lovely of you'd say, but I am always desperate to go on podcasts. I'm quite a lonely man.

You're just... You're going to keep you around at cards close to your chest. This is my... I'm a lonely figure, and I love having a chat. Oh, brilliant. So you will find this. Have you got a podcast? I do...

Oh, well, I hope we're doing a second series because we started it and it's going pretty well. Me and Ronnie Ancona. Do you know Ronnie? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do a thing about being, oh yes, we'll line you up for the second series, because you are brilliant for this, because it's about us being very neurotic people.

What, do you're, sorry, do you mean about that? No, you're perfect in terms of the fact, we want karma people. We want people that are able to take care. No, no, no, no, you were right first time. He's absolutely off the scale. Josh is quite quietly neurotic, I think. But I think you'll go under the radar. Yeah, but I think you're genuinely not that because you will, even, like, I'm, I always

remember starting, you know, when you came along in comedy and you were always really ballsy. And there was a time I used to message you before corporate's going, Rob, how do I get through this? And you're, you know, you're 12, 15 years younger than me. And I'm going, Rob's taught me through this. So Ronnie and I kind of get guests on and kind of try and find out how they cope with all the nightmare stress of showbiz when wear such basket cases about it.

It's a little bit indulgent, but people like it. All podcasts are. Yeah, exactly. Tell us, so if you can't deal with showbiz, how do you do with parents? How old are your kids? My kids are old now. My kids are 25 and 23. But very luckily, both did fine art as degrees, so they're still at home.

You need to encourage the arts in your children, and then they don't go. And I'm kind of loving it as well. I was listening to your John Bishop. And I love it. But he was saying about wanting the kids to go. And I was going, yeah, but when you're divorced, it's lovely to have them. It's lovely to have the company. So you're still having joint custody of the 23?

No, not really. I also did the other thing of very wisely moving further into town. So I have the kids much more because I'm handier. They basically live with me because it's handier for the jobs they have and things they're doing. So I do have them a lot more of the time. And my house is, we had a house in, well, I don't know if it's too many days. We had a house in Ireland. Yeah. And my ex held on to that because she's Irish.

So her place is a bit smaller. So I've got a larger place further into town. I'm not saying I did well in the divorce deal. I was still ripped apart. But there's positive. My house is great because there's space in it, and I'm often not there because I'm a comic. So my kids love being.

So you've got, was it three years? You've been quite open to you had a show about it as well. Well, we separated four and a half years ago. We divorced about three years ago. Basically, my tour show is sort of my second show about my divorce. It's a little bit more detailed. It's got some more juicy gossip in it. Now the dust has settled a bit.

Yeah, and things I've been allowed to say, and times passed. And I think the first one, I did was a bit like, I'm a rubbish man and I just got left. Whereas this one's like, let me give you some details. You have to come to the show. Yeah. No, it's, no, it's fine. And you still get on with your ex? We're fine. We're fine. It wasn't, it wasn't the happiest, loveliest divorce. As so many, aren't. No, as so many aren't. But I think you don't want a happy, lovely divorce, because usually a happy, lovely divorce, I have this point in my show is if you'd

been left, I was left by my wife and I found out through time, it's been discovered, that I was left for someone. That's much better than being left for no one. Because if you're left for no one, it means you're literally worse than nothing. So anybody who's going, it's great, we just broke up and she just said the love was over. No, that you've been absolutely slammed.

So I'm kind of, you know, I kind of feel a bit better about that. That's a great way to look at it. Yeah. Always want to be left by someone. And it's always, I mean, I'm sure it'll happen to you guys. But it's when the case, it's where hopefully, wait till the kids are older because then it's... So they were at eight, they would have been like 21?

They were 21 and 19. Right. And how was it for them? Because that's a bit of a madness. Yes. And it is still really hard. And I think my youngest had just gone to uni. And so it was sort of, I would say it hurts at any age. And I'm always amazed by them. And I'm not saying this is to suck up to them

because I'm desperate for company in my house. But it is so, they are. so lovely. The way I go God, my parents were always my parents. My dad died when I was 20, so I never had that breakup thing, but I had that sudden thing of it changing. But to watch them deal with just, you know,

the dating that, I mean, my ex is now with the man she left before and they're very established, but my dating life's been chaotic. Right. So are you talking to your kids about dating? They love it. Well, they don't love it. They feel sorry for the women. They literally

have said that. They've said, Oh God, I hope it. Please don't leave this one. Or please don't break this one up. So I did. It's just, it's been... How are you dating, how? Because I just said this to Rob beforehand.

I think when Rose inevitably leaves me. Yeah. That's so good that you just do that. Keep that in your head. And it will be for someone. A mad comic called Lewis Schaefer. Yeah. Make sure it's for someone.

Probably a farmer, if you're all right down in the South West. She just wanted someone stronger than her. Are you bad at opening jars? No, she's quite... She's stronger than Josh. We've discussed it. But the problem is, right? I think...

So, I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here because I'm not naming the person. I've got a friend. He's... I think his daughter's maybe 10. He's split up with the mum. And he said to me, I just can't be bothered to spend the time I have to myself meeting strangers and trying to...

he was like, I'd rather just enjoy my life. I've got my daughter. I've got my work that I like. I can't be bothered. I wasn't having to care. You know, I had two at university. You know, they're not constantly. They're not needing that, all that attention, all the time.

And they've got, I mean, they're in far more stable relationships than me. They are, I mean, hugely more stable. I mean, you know, that's why they find it kind of amusing. My oldest is in a three and a half year relationship. My youngest, who's 23, been with the same. Guy since he was 16. Right. And they are virtually married and, you know, so I almost get relationship advice off them. So this, how, like you're, you're so, you're always, you're one of the best stand-up comedians live in the country. Every time I've seen you on stage in clubs, you have to

rip it and you're always like, open, very open and honest of everything. But like, and then you make, you know, you make a joke of it. You make it very accessible to people, but like, that's incredible, like, you know, you said your dad died when you were 20. So now I find when any sort of things happen in my life or when my kids get to the age I was. So you're looking at your kids at a 20 that age you were when your dad died now you're going for divorce. That is a lot to

deal with emotionally and stuff like that. Like that must be such a difficult period but you sort of you've dealt with it so well. I mean I've got a horrible feeling my parents, my children are better at this than me. They seem to, I mean, they're girls. But then that's some credit to you as a

parent. They're strong like that. Well yeah, I also, I do believe in I think there's a lot. Do you not know those parents who are brilliant parents with horrible kids? Yeah, yeah. We've all come across them. And then crap parents and I would, no, I'm not going to drag my ex down with me going, we weren't, we got loads wrong. We got loads wrong. But everyone gets loads wrong. Yeah. But, but there's, and I think, yeah, I think the thing that I do think was amazing. It was amazing in my childhood and the biggest thing you have to do, which isn't really an effort, is just to have parents that love you so much and let you know how much you love them and how much, you know.

And you're good at letting people know how much you love them. do let people and how much I dislike them as well. I'm very honest in all my emotions. No, but my daughters get a lot of how much I love. Yeah, and I'm amazed by them. They're always been your main priority. I remember when we gigged and before I had kids, you'd be like, oh, because I've got to get that.

The girls, they've got school, they've got this, and we got that, like, it was almost like the main through line of your, and also being a provider for them and making sure they had the opportunities and going here there and stuff. It was mentioned a lot in green rooms where that's not always a case, especially with, you know, when we started, a lot of the comedians above us and older comedians wouldn't mention their kids or family.

My agent said this to me that I talked a lot about my kids. I think I've always been incredibly proud of them. And so sort of subtly showing off all the time. I think when you're quite an inadequate person and you make people that are great, you kind of need to push the next. You can't believe you're inadequate. I know you mentioned a lot,

but you're so talented and so hardworking and built a brilliant career. No, that's very nice of you, Rob. No, I'm, no, I suppose, yeah, I suppose so. I mean, I'm being, I'm being flippant about it. I think of the thing, I talk about my kids quite a lot. My agent said this to me, ages ago. When I was still married and when they were small,

you talk so much about your kids. And I, I don't, because I'm incredibly self-obsessed as well. Maybe it's something else to talk, rather than talk about myself. Yeah, because it's your body's made it. Yes, so maybe it's sort of a connection. It's all ego. It doesn't make, I think, the thing I'm fighting in, Rob, The thing I'm fighting here is you're trying to make me a nice person.

And I'm going, no, you don't understand. It's because I see them and I see bits of myself in them. And I see, they're not quite as good looking as I am, but they're lovely. They've been ruined slightly by their mum. But they're not. People also do that thing of going, your kids are so beautiful. And they are. They're very beautiful girls.

And I go, but I would be as well if I lost a bit weight around the chin and stuff. So I'm, yeah, I create that beauty, so I must be beautiful. Exactly. I, here's a, here's some psychology. to learn of psychology then if we're indulging in that about how cruttenden yeah so you went to i i i i don't know what school you went to but i my osteopath who was a very posh man oh right said he went to school with you and he was where was it harrow or something that's some pools some pools right yeah and he was like extremely like proper tory kind of uh very uh very

his dad was a judge, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah. And it made me think that have you gone in a different way with your parenting? To a very soft, what, did you come from that? Do you come from quite a hard world or not? I didn't come from that sort of established money. I had a nice, cozy middle class upbringing and ealing with two parents who were not from money. So we were always more insecure amongst the super posh.

We were, you know, I felt my dad is with it. So they managed to pass that insecure as your own. Yeah, they've passed on that insecurity. Yeah. We are there was a fact time. And then my sister going, You're a family heirloom. Yeah, but so many middle class people do this.

My sister does, my sister was doing it to be the other day, and she's a lovely, wonderful person, but she was going, we're not that posh, we're quite working class. I went, no, our grandparents may have been, but we actually are part of, our parents were of that wave of 50s, 60s social mobility, which people have forgotten exist now, but it used to exist. You know, social mobility, huge number of people

became that sort of middle class. class. My dad went to a grammar school. He'd grown up in Grimsby and his parents moved south and then he went to a grammar school, got to first person to go to university. And that's, so we grew up with that grandparents going, you don't know, you're born, do you? Look what you've got, not, not what we, I did not have that sort of established. So I think, I think we are the insecure. Because you was amongst those sort of posho kids at that school. We're the comfortably insecure. Yeah. So I've still got that thing. I go, oh, where's a great tour title. Yeah. Oh, God, yes. I must

Yes, I must remember. Oh, my daughter will listen to this because she listens to every podcast among my youngest. So let's be careful what she says. But I'll say that'll be my next title. Next tall, yeah. My name is Peter Parker, but I'm also Spider-Man.

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Yeah, I'm at the whole sort of set up of children, a husband. Like, you know, they do it at the start of a drama? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just quick cut. Just a bit of exposition. Yeah, perfect. I was confident I'd interviewed you before, but I wasn't 100%. You've done a lot of podcast.

mate you've met a lot of parents and i've met you so the point is do you know when you're like have you interviewed that person it's like if it's someone i've never met i'm more likely to remember it's a different energy in person than on zoom yeah it is that so it feels like i'm a new person yeah also i've interviewed before they still recovered i know i interviewed you i just forgot but there's also that thing of you i just before i met you i was like oh yeah i know yeah i've done seeing you stand up like if i saw you on the street i'm like josh you're like yeah yeah people are like that yeah yeah it's nice isn't it lovely no i've just got enough profile. This is my profile.

It's just a narrowing of the eyes where they go... Oh, I sort of recognise. I don't know you from. Is that Chanel? No. So, the family... Is it like a fake name? Like when I used to buy Ray Bands from the markets in Spain, Roy Bins.

Or is it still Chanel? I've got a George Armani watch now. I just got a cassette. I used to sell fake Burberry scarves on Manchester Christmas Market. Yeah, I think you've told us on this podcast four times. Cashmink. Cashmink. Instead of Kashmir.

Yeah. Kashmir. Cashmink. I. Capital Belarus, isn't it? Sorry. Cashmere, I think we play them in Europe. Yeah.

I think we're playing them in the Champions League. Right. Sorry. Recap on you children life. Me, parent in hell. I have. My oldest child is 23. I had her when I was 20.

So she's 23 now. And then I, when she was about 13, I had the next one. Bonnie Smith. I've got 10 year olds and an 8 year old. So two daughters, then a son. Yes. Two daughters and a son. Yeah.

And then you met your now partner when your elder. Elders was about 10, yeah. Perfect. Which is funny because now my Bonnie's 10. So it's a little bit funny going, oh. So you face your new one? Yeah.

Oh, no, thanks. Every 10 years you get a new fella. Just churn them out. Yeah, I think, like, I think three baby fathers would really go in my fake Chanel necklace, actually. I think it's a great for a new tour. What's the 23-year-old up to?

She's quite nice. She's all right. Wasn't a question. No, no. She's all right. She's in the middle of a degree. She went, she did her A-levels during COVID, so she didn't want to go straight to degree.

It's a bit of a weird time. A bit of a rest of development, if I'm honest. I think they're all finding their feats from then. So she's in a middle of a degree, interior spatial design. I'm basically that mum now. You know when your mum could never say the right brand name or your degree? Like, don't do that. So I've always getting wrong.

She's doing something. So it's not interior design. No, it's interior. It's sort of more architectural. If you ask that, she might, yeah, I'm an architect. She's just down the road. She lives near, oh, she's got a heart, mate. So how's that as a parent?

How is how, how in? involved like so fucking involved Nora doesn't even know what it's called I know but you can still be involved what her degree is you know I am involved I wouldn't say you're overly involved in your daughter's life if you don't even know what she's studying I do but I don't ever get that it's interior spatial design at University Arts London alright

happy now let's see and then she's got a little nanny in job and then she works at a little local bakery pillar of the community she's all right the girls she's all right she sounds very sensible and do you think about every day you like worrying or you're Oh, it's worse? No. Worse when they're older.

No. I bet your mum and dads worry about you more now. I'm going to say about my mum and dad, no. Don't know what he does for a living. I'll give you a quick recap of what my mother and dad recently. Where I finished filming and something a bit earlier than planned. Say less, man. Say less.

I'm home for a few days. Do you want to meet out? I'll busy this week. I'm not fair enough. No, wise. Then the next week I went, oh, I'll come down and see you. on Monday, half term of the kids. Then I rang her back hour later and went,

it's Ban Colody Monday, I'm not going to do it. It'll be mental down in Margate. I'll come late in the week. But if you want, you can come up and see me. We're not seeing each other for about three, four weeks. Come to mine, Bank Holiday Monday and barbecue. Nah, we're busy. Anyway, I was supposed to go and see it on the Friday.

Then my flight back from filming, got in at 3m from Tenerife. I went, I'd be too tired. I can't do the drive-in-air and back the next day. Come up if you want. Nah, we're all right. So I want to say they're overly worried. We're overly worried. They're not.

They're letting me crack on. I just think in your 20s you're a bit weird. See a lot of you on TV, though. Yeah, they know what you're up to. Yeah, they know what I'm doing. They get the short of updates. But 23's different. I'm boring and safe pair of hands adult now.

23's the anomaly, isn't it? Are your kids a pool for them, though? I mean, that's the only way you have contact. My mum were like, well, I don't think my mum would bother seeing me. She likes my kids. Yeah, no, the kids have to be an absolute guarantee that they're there for them to come. No interest when it's just you. Also, though, if the kids weren't there, just me, my mom and dad,

how much do you want to see them? Yeah. Am I desperate for that three-way, chat? No. You're not desperate for that three-way, are you, Rob? No, as I sit there and hear about, like, what their mate down the road's been up to, what their doctor's doing?

My mum, like, is word association with my mum. Like, you know, I don't know if she's always been like this, but you know when she'll ask you about something and then you say something, it just sparked something in her, like, how was the hospital? Oh, yeah, it was all right. Couldn't find parking. Oh, I couldn't, in Eilford.

You're like, oh, now we're just talking about a trip to Eilford. That's what we're talking about. She actually had the hospital was and you said there was bad park and then she's on her own story about parking. It's a word association. Yeah, it's all old people. It's just us on this podcast, to be fair. True, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a podcast. Yeah, but at least you can choose to listen to this. Do you mean, it's like you can't just sort of say to your mum. Not really feeling the podcast this week. Phone down, you know what I mean? Your mum seems to be able to say it to you. No.

day, my famous son and these beautiful kids. They were busy. What were mine? Should I have what they said the other day? What were they busy with? Do they give you specifics? Right, you will never guess

in a million years, I'm going to tell you. 27 euros. They went down to the local... They went down to the local pub, to the function room to watch their GP play drums in a band. What's their GP? Oh, the doctor?

Fucking out. What? Is the only way you can get to see your GP? Oh, that's the only way. Lovely stuff. I bet your dad was bending over for a prostate. No, the drumstick. No, the thing is when you get to that age,

you can get in the GPs whenever you want. Oh, you do. It's like an open door policy over 80. I bet he was fucking gutted to see them. No, they invites him down. He didn't mean it. He just was trying to get him out of the room. Yeah, but they've gone there over seeing me.

Can you play the drums? I can't play the drums. What's his band? Did they give you any more specifics on his band? No, but he also edits video because He's offered to edit my stand-up tour shows. They're cheap. And I think he does magic.

Personally, I wouldn't have a miss me doctor. No offence to him, but there's too many other things he's into. Yeah, yeah. What are you? Miss Rabbit in Pepper Pig. Do you want one job? Well, I want from my doctor, someone that's into medicine, not playing drums. Some of the men's got a book on funny moles, because he's into it.

By the way, before I tell you your test results, should I read my mum and ask her about this doctor? and what she's into? I think we've been nice to catch up with her. I don't want to be a bit of a nod, but you know that kind of like, you're Rob Beckett. You know, people know you,

you're off to telly. This idea that is, presumably he's a professional doctor, amateur videographer. This idea that's like, if you need anyone to do his stand-up videos, you're like, I think my team have got that cover.

I think I do think if I rang up my agent and said, don't worry about the editor. My mom and dad has sort of me out of a videographer from Margot. He's currently a GP. I've requested an appointment to do the editing. Someone's going to room you back in three weeks.

I know. You don't want to be an appointment. Sometimes it's like my mate when the other day, like a mum on school, oh, we're doing like the local little street festival that's in the summer. We've got a bit of budget.

And then they went just a little bit of it. If you want to do like 40 minutes, like yeah, I'm going to do 40 minutes on a street in my local area. I thought, you know what you don't want to be that guy that goes. There's not enough budget in the world. There's not enough budget in the world.

Because 40 minutes is so, like, no, even if you'd get paid to do, like, a big cabaret end of a night set at a big awards do, is 20 to 30 max. It's just kids running around with bubbles that I, are friends with my kids. Oh my God. I'll quickly remember when you find out what? No, it works work, isn't it? She's busy. Well, she's actually getting the kids in an hour because. She's going to think there's something wrong with the kids.

She don't bother about you all. She doesn't? New number, who this? Okay. And that's. She'll call back. She'll call back. Yeah, that's summed up. She might not.

In relationship with your mum there, lovely. What are you looking at your text with her now? Now I'm paranoid that she's never asked me, and I only ask her to meet up. You've got in my head? No, I have got in your head. You said. So do you ask your daughter to meet up,

your 23-year-old, or is she coming to you? No, yeah, she'll come to me. We do nice things. She's sort of done that sort of transition where she's got a bit of a flat mate, and then it's a little bit... You know that first realisation in the world? You're sort of full of confidence.

Then you realise, all of my confidence is based on rolling my eyes at my parents. Now I'm out in the world. Maybe they do know a thing or two about the washing machine and paying bills. Do you know what I mean? So I'm trying to make sure, because I've got the little ones, I've realised he does suffer

from that. So I've done little things like I took to Morocco for a little spa break in the I'm just trying to have the, I try to have one on one time with my kids. I think that's important. Even when the younger ones separate as well, like they really come out of them shell and they operate as an individual, not a pair. It's nice. We call it divide and conquer me and my

husband with a little one. Sometimes we look at you and I'm going, I'll take that. And then all of a second you go, oh, I didn't know. Yeah, they come to life, especially when you're with the little one

for the day. Yeah, and they're sitting in the front because they're in the back chatting and then you've got them in the front. Yeah. I think they're so really nice. Henry,

you got again too? How old today again? Eight and five. Okay, that's cute. We're rolling. We're rolling. Are we rolling? Oh, fuck.

Eddie. Yeah. Yeah. But normally when you're rolling, you were in character. Yeah, I am, yeah. Do you like being yourself? Or you one of those actors

that hates being... I don't mind being myself... I like disappearing. It's what I do, and I quite like that. You know, initially, when I first started, I thought I was going to be the next Tommy Steele,

you know, like... Yeah. Like, charismatic cocked me. That's not bad, but... That's not bad one. Very early on that I was going to be Long Cheney, junior. Yeah.

And she was to pay all the monsters, so I thought, might as well earn a few bucks. So how are you out in public, though? because, you know, you've done so many films now and you're so known and loved, do you find that a bit overwhelming when people, like, recognise you want to talk to you

when obviously you like disappearing and being a character? You know what's funny? It's people who recognise me for different things. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people recognise me for Ray Donovan. Yeah. And specifically go over to the States. Ray Donovan is a big thing.

But over here, some people recognise you for the mightly thing and they want to sit down and talk to you about the artistic credentials of doing that. Yeah, a lot of the young, A lot of the youth know me from Hancock So they just want to talk to me about Wall Smith

And you talk about that You know A bit peaked after the Oscars Yeah Yeah They said Would you even What did you have done

If you're Chris Wright I said I've had him or he I've done him again I've done him again Alright so how many kids You got you four kids Eddie?

I've got 15 year old Yeah 17 year old 20 year old and 21 Oh wow So they're have they some of them flown the nest? Yeah, my two oldest have flown the nest

are at university in drama school. Both of them? Yeah, and he's about to, my 17 year old's about to go into university and my 15 year old's about to do A-Levels. And when you've got someone going to drama school, do you think, oh my God, it's a tough industry or do you think amazing?

I'm so proud of them. I don't think they realize how tough it is. Yeah, because they've seen someone sail through it. They only see working actors. They don't realize how tough it is. Also, they must see you being you, which is like just a normal dad. Yeah.

Go enough to do something. And he's going to do it, and he's that bloke and do it. And the funny thing is, because when your dad, there's a funny thing, when your dad, you're quite useless at home, I mean. I was away so much. My wife kept it all going. So when I came home, I just fitted in.

I'm quite useless. So whenever they consider what I do, they think, well, he is useless. Yeah, he can do it. They've seen you at your worst most days. They've seen me at my worst. So they kind of go, well, you know, if he can do it, I can do it. I remember being in Beth Negrin.

There was a guy with, he had a drug addiction. He used to be on the street. And he came out to me, Bethlehem and he went, Hey, I don't want to ask you about acting. Because I looked at you and I thought, well, if he can do it. Well, that representation is important, and you've done a lot about that, about working-class people being in the arts. I think that's so important.

because you know if you can see someone else doing it then you it looks achievable rather than it being totally alien for me I used to love Billy Connolly and Richard Pryor but they felt like such he was obviously like a folk singer yes and from Scotland which when you grab me in South East London's like this crazy guy it's not a huge amount of similarities between your act and Billy Connolly's exactly and Richard Pryor are these mad stories about growing up but neither of them were anything like you but when I saw Alan Davis yeah and Peter Kay talking about dogs and baked beans

juice and biscuits and all that. I was like, oh, there's a world, like these are talking about things I understand and maybe I can do it. So like, you know, for your kids, like, it must be weird that, you know, they're going into a world now where they're going to uni and studying and stuff like that

and they're growing up in a totally different way to how you grew up. Well, one of the hardest things about for me being a parent is I come from a completely different background to the ones my kids live in. Sometimes you don't realize how alien it is, when my boys came from Westland

I went to quite a posh school and they play football and all the other dads would be like oh well done Jasper well done and they'll be on the like

go on fire post boy four phone go on accuse you to get stuck one day my son my oldest son

my daughter's the oldest but my oldest boy he was in the middle of a football going he stopped he stopped run

he said Daddy let's cockney let's cockney you've got range haven't you come on Can you disappear from it, Dad, at the moment?

Let's come, me. My dad used to have his fagg hanging out. His man has gone, go, go, boy. And I was literally with my father for a minute. Yeah, come boy, boy. My dad, we had a neighbour called Roy the Boy, is a cab driver. And he had his cab. It was perfectly keen by that cab driver.

And it had done 300,000 miles, right? And this was, I lived sort of near Mottenham, Elton Way. And I had a girlfriend in Islington, North London. All right, big shot. Yeah, I don't want to show off, but I've had a girlfriend. I'd throw me away at the angel. And he come up to him, he was so, that generation of people, he might have been about your dad's age, actually.

He come up and went, what you going up to North London for, boy? And it was like going all the way there for a girl, but that boy, boy, that sort of died off a little bit. That I'm calling him a good boy. Do you say, I came up in this situation and you're in this time. And the worst thing I did was to tell my kids,

because I left school at, I left school at 15, before I was. 16 because I didn't really do any GCSEs I got no qualifications and I thought I thought that would inspire them because I was giving them a good life yeah and I said you look you know I and and but soon realized that they would say to me daddy you don't know what you're talking about because you never did exams so there is a point where I was just useless yeah there's nothing I could do you know and even even like doing drama at school I can't really give many notes because I'm not really an experienced actor.

I'm just daddy and daddy's useless. Really? Did you go up through drama school and stuff? I eventually got into Mountview when I was... I was an apprentice printer initially and I was in a club in Mayer Street in Hackney and I was dancing in the club and with my mate in Manuel and manual was like tall St. Lucian of solution descent

look gorgeous and he ended up being a model and someone asked him to be an extra in a movie and he said, yeah, can I take Eddie? And they took me, and I was there, and I saw Jamie Foreman, who became a friend of mine, do a scene on this dance floor. We had to walk across the dance floor. And I suddenly thought, God, I want to be an act. That's what I want to do.

And that's how it started. So how did you then go to get into drama school and stuff? Well, first of all, me and in Manuel, I tried to get in drama school, so Emmanuel coached me on, and neither of us knew what we're doing. So I used to be a printer, right? So in printing, you got this thing called, I don't know bore you,

but printing is all about the chemical balance between the ink and the paper. When it's wrong, you get this thing called scumming where the paper gets dirty, right? So on Shakespeare, you know in Shakespeare, you've got a lot of commas, like, where before words, like, there's a comma where they miss out at the beginning of a word

for the iron big pentameter. I didn't know what that was. So I'm reading this thing, and I'm going, I'm going to, look at a scumming on that. I have no idea what I was doing. And I tried for about four years to get in drama school, eventually got in. Did you want your boss, page?

for you to go in. Yeah, he was an East End bookmaker yeah. He said, what do you want to do? What do you want to do, boy? And I said, I want to be an actor. He said, well, if you get in, I'll pay. And he did. Oh, wow. He used to run a book in Waltonstone Dock Track. Oh, wow. So it's a totally different childhood your kids have had.

Completely different. Completely different. But they love going back to the East End. They love going back. They go back there. They go back. I got Emmanuel's mom, his mom. My kids go and see her at Christmas and they take her flowers. Oh, wow. He still, you keep in time. I'm still very much in touch with it. Yeah. And my kids love that. It's funny because...

It's changed a lot, right? Not down my end. Once you get past Pilaches, it's still the same. I mean, up near Shoreditch, you saw... Yeah. It's all, you know, hipster socialists walking around. There was twats that moved into Victoria Park. Yeah, yeah.

That was me, I left. I left. I've got back to Dev and Maritz. So four kids. Yes. And they presumably have come on... You know, you've been busy for, you know, 20 years. Like, super back-to-back, presumably. And they've grown up on, they've grown up travelling.

When we did, we did Ray Donovan, and my wife, bless it, it was amazing. She had four kids under the age of seven. And she said, take them on planes over to L.A. to see me. Oh, my word. Like school holidays and summer holidays and be with me. And they were amazing. They grew up on film sets. They grew up in Culver City, we did Ray Donovan.

They grew up around that, and they used to love all the food because they had a load of sweet. You could always tell when Eddie's kids were there because all the dawn. handles in the studio was sticky because the kids were going on. And were the studio and the producer's happy for that to happen? Yeah, they loved it. It was encouraged. Lee I've had two kids. Yeah. Dash had a kid. So we'd all have barbecues, all the kids grew up together.

Oh nice. Amazing. It was great fun. Because your partner was a makeup artist. Is that right? My wife was amazing. She's a writer and her she was a makeup artist. Oh wow. Yeah. So is that how you met? Yeah. And did she stop that one? The kids were younger then when you were working. She met me. Do you remember monkey magic? No. What was monkey magic? Pigsy. You remember that?

I'm not when it was dubbed. Yeah, yeah. I played to have a movie of that and I played Pigsy. Right. So I was pissing. So my wife did up with makeup. She ended up marrying the pig. But the thing is, the boyfriend before me was like, good looking at, and he was

a model, and he had hit shots. So I used to put his photograph on the fridge and me as a pig next to it. What are you going to want? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what are you like? the dad then. Because you seem very affable and fun.

I can be a sergeant major one week and a hippie the next. Can you? Because you don't know what you're doing, do you? No. You know, when you go to those parent carters when you're a kid and when you're about your first kid and someone's read a book and they think, well, that's how you're doing, you think that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You make it up as you go along really.

Yeah. All you can do is you just love them really, you know? Yeah. And they do see the worst of you and they see the best of you. Yeah. You know, I mean, my, there's two of my kids don't get on and one of my kids the other day kind of had it got really upset and stormed out the house and we didn't know where he was and then the one that he doesn't

get on with phone he said no he's with me don't worry I got him and you suddenly realize that there's connections you don't realize and it's really good like that really yeah I I got funny stories I meditate because I suffered from anxiety so I meditate every day

and I was trying to teach too my kids my two youngest to me meditate because they were like running what age was this when they're little and I said right we're going to meditate boys to sit down I'm going to show you how to do it and I sat that and I closed my eyes with them and I thought and a couple of minutes and I thought this is going really well and I was talking through it we're closing my eyes and I thought they're really quiet and I open my eyes and the older one is standing he's pulled his pants and trousers down and he's getting his willie and he's going and the younger one is crying laughing laughing

you're just taking a wigged. Did you always want a big family like that thing? It must be exciting. Like, always stuff going on and like... Yeah, it's... I mean, exciting, stroke, exhausting. Yeah, it's both... I mean, life's like that, though, isn't it? I mean, life...

One thing you realize... One thing I've realized was that when I was younger and I wanted to be an actor, I thought once I achieved that, life's just going to be... Happiness is going to be one direction. Yeah. Life's not like, life expands like a flower.

It expands. So I love it, but it's also exhausting, stressful. There's a responsibility. And being a parent is like that, isn't it? Yeah. The joy is one direction, and it's amazing, and the love you feel, but the anxiety you feel. I mean, I tell my wife to turn off that live 360.

You know. Oh, is that the tracker thing. She knows where I had 21 hours. And I say, turn it off. Yeah. I mean, God, if my mom would have known her, was well

there's no way Jack Savareti welcome to the podcast thanks for having me guys now obviously we're just all getting on so well that we did we just started

no that's how good we are it's been a great show yeah yeah I met you on Graham Norton yeah but full run down three kids

three kids how many what did you say dogs and cats four dogs and now we've sort of inherited a cat not inherited a cat a cat chose us

even though you've got four dogs even though we got four dogs which is impressive. And it took her a while. She's somebody to abandon her. She's a beautiful cat. I'm not a cat person,

but she's a beautiful cat. I'm a cat person. And you've got four dogs. It took her six months. I built her like a little chalet meaum, meow I call it. It's like a little cat house outside. It's like a little log cabin for cats. Oh, wow.

And so she started staying in there. And now that it's sort of spring, and we have the doors open, she started to sort of come in. Oh, no. And the dogs aren't bothering her. The dogs are a little bit scared of her. What dogs you got?

I've got a border collie and then we have three Cocker poos Cocker sort of spanned I said small dogs No the border collie is quite big She's quite big She's sort of my

Size Massive Massive Not that big Big for a dog That's a bit for a dog Too big for a dog We just sort of walked

To get everywhere together She's my soulmate And then the other three Are just pretty hectic I was reading your Wikipedia name And you're not called Jack No I've always been called Jack Like my mother's called me Jack, but on my passport, I'm Giovanni.

Giovanni, yeah, I was named after my grandfather. Oh, right. Because I was born in London, my mother's English, and she was just like, Giovanni's going to be a tough one. Ah, right. But, you know, especially like early 80s. She was just like, she wasn't crazy. She just wanted to Jack.

Because I thought you'd picked a less spectacular stage name. I thought you'd go, like, I'm one of the only people who'd have done their name for the stage. No, I've been asked to change my name. I've been asked to change my last name a lot in the music business. Really? I'd have thought it's a cell. I agree. I think it's interesting. It's also just who I am. Like it is what it is. But I've been told, I've got one executive said, if you keep your name, we'll have to put in the world music section.

I hate the term world music already. That's just music, isn't it? It's just music, not in English, basically. But yeah, that was an interesting. It happened a few times. What name did you toy with? Did you ever consider? Was there right? It was there a shortlist? No, he did suggest SAV or SAV or something like. Jack SAV. Jack Saver. Sounds like a criminal from the 50s. I mean,

Jack Sav used to work with the craze. I need to be fair, Jack Sav already sounds like a criminal. Yeah, Jack the Hat. So that sort of mid-life crisis realization, then you wrote the album off the back of that basis. Is that what was the motivation? It didn't manifest in anything else other than the album

with like decisions of, you know. No, not really. Well, I mean, it had just come from a period where I had lost my father. We'd just had a third child sort of thing. We were coming to that, which was also a shock to the system. Because, let's just say, Celeste, number three, but Celeste, it was a surprise. It was very much like, we were sort of out on the other side.

Six year gap. Yeah, a 10 year with the eldest. Oh, God, yes, that's a long, yeah. It was a long time, and we were starting to find ourselves again and starting to just, it was just things were changing. My wife and I were starting to hang out a lot more. Yeah, of course. Hence what happened. Too much time together.

It's been way to us together. It's happened again. But, I mean, it was the best thing that happened to us. And I'm going to throw that cliche out there because it is. Oh, of course it. Yeah. It was just, but it can be a shock at the time. It was a real shock.

My wife was very happy. She was really happy. It was a bit like the same. Again, I mean, she might not like me saying this, but it was a bit with her midlife cries. The same thing with Maggie, the dog, like keeping her alive. This was another thing. Yeah, because it's another baby.

Yeah, she was having her own moment of questioning time and is there time for one more. could I do this again? Should we have another one? She was very much in that mentality. I really wasn't. I mean it was just during COVID as well and like it was during the lockdown where finally the world did stop for me. I mean I hate saying that because it wasn't a great time for people but for me personally it was really nice to stop and to not have that sense of guilt for stopping. Yes. Or worry it was taken out of your control. Exactly. Why that somebody else was doing what I should have been doing and all that. It was like no everything stops so you can actually turn off now. And when that

happened I was like I was tired I realized I was actually really tired and when this so when we got pregnant again I was like oh man I gotta go back to work this is gonna be tough but luckily it's actually been the best source of inspiration for that yeah for both of us for my wife and I and what does she do she's an artist she was an actress yeah and then during she's always been an incredible artist but she had focused mainly on her acting and done some amazing films worked with tim burton Francois was on, done some great stuff. But then during lockdown, again, there was a real, she realized,

I don't want to go back out there. I think she had just had her time. Getting the job and being rejected was becoming more... I think it's horrible. It's brutal acting. That becomes kind of the craft, surviving that. Do you know what? You so rarely get it in our job

where you are up for something and there's a list of people or you don't know the list of people, but you have to go along and you have to audition. I don't know. It's so rare. Yeah. And then you'd have to watch

whoever got the job. And your whole life, if you're an actor, is presumably lived in just this kind of edge of, will I get that? What if I get that? When do I find out about that?

I've got a callback. I wonder how many people have got a call back. All of that. I don't know how every actor isn't insane. A lot of them are. The worst part of a normal job,

Like when I worked in an office job, the worst part of working office job is going for job interviews and your first day at work. And that's essentially all acting is. All the time. It's going for the interview and then being there for a day. There is a buzz. I mean, there is a buzz if you do get the job.

Yeah. And that was becoming more of her, like, she was very, becoming quite competitive. And I think the craft was taking her back seat. And that's when she was like, this is not good. She didn't like that feeling. It was no longer about the craft of acting. It was the craft of like the audition,

getting the job. Which is part of it. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, of course. I think that's when she was just like done with that. And so she wanted to, I think, really master a craft again. Yeah. Creation and art was there. Suddenly she was in charge.

She was the one that could just make things come to life from nothing. And she's a ridiculously prolific, wonderful and successful artist. So that was an interesting switch for both of us as well. How does she find you going back on tour then? Because obviously I'd lock down her together. Really? I think for multiple reasons. At first it means I'm still working, which is a nice thing.

Yeah. But also, I think we've always had that in our relationship. Yeah. We've been together 22 years. So that distance makes the heart go fonder. It keeps us incredibly like, you know, the choice of being in love rather than it's easy to be in love when everything's hunky-dory. Yeah. But to choose it when things are, when there's a struggle and all that.

I think that the touring and being away from each other makes you feel like you're sort of fighting and holding onto something again. And it does, it is incredibly bonding for us. Do you find that, Rob? Well, it's different for comedians, isn't it? Because we go to like Doncaster for the night and drive-owned. I'm not exactly. No, but with music, when you tour abroad, like you tour abroad a lot more, and you're away for six weeks, non-stop, where comedy really is, like, is like two or three nights away.

I'll be back and I'll do the school run, but then I'm going to Leeds. Yeah, but I have to be honest, I, me personally, have been able to build much more of that career. Oh, that's good. Not by joy, by lack of success, maybe also. I do, I don't really have, like, I'm never. away from like two weeks is kind of the limit yeah i i can't do any more than that because especially with the kids totally i don't like it i don't like what happens i get too detached they get almost too detached as well they sort of like just move on without you they're not running to the say hello

anymore and all that so it becomes a bit two weeks is the most yeah i think that's a good good decision does it feel different going back out when you've got kids to yeah this i think it's getting harder actually if i'm totally honest like just because parenting is getting so much cool Yeah, at age. Like, I love it. And also when the first time around, you know, you've got a sort of six-month-old kid in your hand and you're like, this is it forever. You don't realize how quickly time flies. You don't realize how quickly that six-month-old is wanting to spend the weekend with friends and not answering your text messages when you're like, where are you? Like, suddenly that's gone. That moment of like is gone. And so now, I mean, I feel sort of sorry for my daughter because I am like properly like holding on to. every moment I can with her because I know how quickly this goes. So I think the absence. I literally felt like, you know, me not a film and a soul leaves

the body. Oh no. Should you go back to having all your friends there and thinking one decision could ruin it all? I mean, you're laughing a lot for someone who's really bringing some dark thoughts into the room. That's why he's going to sing a songwriter. This is like my therapy. I'm giggling. Am I allowed to call you a singer songwriter? Is that allowed?

Is that not? I don't know. It's world music, isn't it? Don't have a go in because what he said made you question your own. It's in English. I've made one world music album in Italian. The rest is in English.

No, I mean, I'm a very jolly person. I only write a sad song, so I don't usually write one. This is an interesting thing. I think the darkest comedians are often the lightest offstage, right? Yeah. And the light, fluffy ones are the ones that the real evil lives. Yeah, because they're trying to cover up a kind of, a deep.

What are trying to say. Well, what I'm trying to say. is like Chris Martin's quite a laugh from what I can tell but he's quite sad in his songs or whatever is there a lot of people that do sad music but they're actually quite a laugh is that in my experience 100% yeah I think I'm a good example how is a good example perfect example actually I always find some it's the same thing the ones that are making all the jolly sort of stuff like that there's a darkness to them yeah yeah yeah obviously don't want you to see they're yeah totally yeah for me it's always been a bit like that I remember when I started out to provide an example of that person

No. No, because I know them quite... No, I would never do that. But when I started out, for example, I used to... I mean, some of the guys that I really admired, they were all very quiet and somber on stage, and they wouldn't say much in between songs. And I remember when I started out, I used to sort of imitate that.

And it was actually my wife who was like, what the fuck is that? Like, that's not you. You're the guy who doesn't shut up and, like, I can hear you laughing from four miles away. Why aren't you doing that? And actually once I got comfortable with just being that, I think the songwriting got better, fairly enough,

because I didn't have to sort of, I don't know, I was able to put it there and it didn't entirely define me. Like, that's just a part of myself, it wasn't my everything. There isn't almost a shame with musicians to being a laugh. Yeah, you gotta be cool. But like, do you like CMA, like she, CMA is now, she had Harry Hill on stage when she did Alexander Pallis, she's really funny, she does, and,

It's the same with Lewis Capaldi. There's totally this thing now where I think people are going, oh, I can be funny, and it doesn't undermine the music. I also think we know more about artists now. Like, I think back in the day, there wasn't that much known, but they were actually like that. Like, Leonard Cohen was hilarious. Right.

Leonard Cohen. Yeah, well, that's a perfect example, right? And, like, I don't know if you've seen the documentary on him. It's fantastic. Like, he's very witty, very social. You never think that. You think this is what you're like David Bowie's really normal. Whenever you see David Bowie,

interviewed you're like oh he's like a really normal blow that just dresses up and perform I love his interviews when they're back in the day they were trying to trip him up all the time because he was doing something so different you must be weird and he was so good it just goes no I'm all right no brilliant I love boy big boy but that that's definitely I think something that now that we know more about those artists

even from that time yeah you don't have that weight of having to keep up appearances by being cool and quiet can I ask you about the Graham Norton show Yeah. Because we did that together. Thank God you were there, man. Did you think he had as bad a one as he wore as he did? What do you mean?

He's too nice for that. He's trying to pretend I had a bad gig. No. That was all right. He was like sitting next to a naughty school kid. Like, you kept making me laugh. I was trying to be cool on that so far. I was like, okay, be cool.

Who was on? I was a picture? Was it? So was it Chris Pratt, Cynthia Arievo, Dawn French, me, then you? Yeah. Right. It's a classic.

I don't know. You would have met up anyway Well actually it's my dream dinner guest party That I'd ask for the week before It just happened No because as a comedian You're on at the end To try and lie it in the mood

And be the bit of the joke When they've got their sort of like Film stars, mega stars, come on But it's weird though for the musicians Because you're like not involved at all Then you sing your, you know You do your song And it's very hard to do those songs

In a studio audience with TV Yeah one two three Yeah And it's every single person I've seen Ever do it They're doing it And they're doing really well But it's not like a normal gig

No You're playing for the environment. And then you sort of have to do it twice. They make everyone do it twice. You do it once and do it and I've one for cameras or whatever. And then they go, right, welcome over. Jack Savaree. So we've been there for like two hours. It's like being laid to a party where everyone's getting along. And then you're all out of breath because you've been performing. And then you shuffle over. You're like, hello. And it's so hard. Which are you thinking about when you're stood backstage thinking

fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. As we all think. Yeah. Are you thinking, fuck, fuck, fuck. Are you thinking, fuck, fuck, fuck. I've got do the song in the studio or you're thinking fuck fuck fuck i've got to talk to no no the song is easy it's not easy don't get me wrong but you hope it is what it is yeah you can you can't go back now that is what it is it's the like please say something a little so that's hanging over the song that's hanging over the song also because some you talk about kapal there some guys are amazing at it yeah come and they'll drop that bomb that they know will you know it'll do something the viral or you know that's all they want that's all they're good at it can say something to go viral exactly that's what they

No, otherwise I'd be doing it all the time. But I've never had that until this time. They kept saying, just say something that maybe go viral. Oh, they actually said that. Yeah, twice. Before I went on. I was like, if I knew how to do that, I wouldn't have to be here. 100%.

Because I did Claudia recently, Claudia Winkelm Show, and the American person who always depends on. Yeah. Who was the guy from Schitts Creek who is called. Oh, I saw this about Mr. Blob. Yeah. He was such a laugh. Yeah, he's great.

Everyone's like, ah. 100% Ah Just relax But I think the best thing To do on those shows Is to just have a laugh Of course

To try not to I think when I was really young And I went on them I would try to be very serious And whatever Yeah And nothing comes like Like you sort of just

No one wants you to be serious No one wants really Yeah it doesn't really work I once sat through an incredibly long chat About Shakespeare And I thought No one's getting anything like this Hey y'all's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair

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