Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S10 EP18: Leanne Quigley

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is Leanne Quigley. Leanne was the winner of the latest series of The Traitors UK 2025 and ambassador for Cancer Research UK. **TRIGGER WARNING** This episode contains discussions of IVF, C-sections and premature childbirth. Leanne is swapping the round table for the turn table as she takes on her next big challenge of running this year’s Race for Life to raise vital funds for Cancer Research UK, a disease close to her heart. This campaign is deeply personal; in July 2024, just before she filmed The Traitors, Sophie Jones, Leanne’s fiancée was diagnosed with stage three breast cancer. Through every step of Sophie’s treatment, Leanne stood by her side, and now, after Sophie’s all-clear in January, the couple are celebrating with a wedding on the horizon.  The former soldier and mum to two-year-old twin boys discusses parenting, her Race for Life challenge, the impact of cancer on her family, her time on The Traitors, and her plans for the future!  Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please subscribe and leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show with any correspondence, kids intro audio clips, small business shout outs, and more.... here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] Follow us on instagram: @parentinghell  Join the mailing list to be first to hear about live show dates and tickets, Parenting Hell merch and any other exciting news... MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener,

with your tips, advice, and of course, tales of parenting woe. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of times when none of us know what we're doing. ["Flight on Air Canada Theme"] OK, Flight on Air Canada. How about Prague? Ooh, Paris.

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Thailand, lantern festival, boom. Book it. How did we get to Thailand from Prague? Oh right, Prague. Oh boy. Choose from a world of destinations, if you can. Air Canada, nice travels. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with

Henry, can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. And can you say Josh? Josh. Whiddicombe. Whiddicombe. Good boy. There we go.

That was solid. Can't fault that. Do you know why it's a good one for this episode, Rob? It's from someone called Leanne. It all links up. This is my son Henry, who was almost two when we recorded this. I've been listening to the pod since the beginning and it really helped prepare for the madness of parenthood.

Keep it relatable. Leanne, 445 months old. Henry, aged 25 months old, from Manchester, a great place. This is Lianne, quickly today, from The Traitors. Now, I watched the first series of The Traitors, well, half of it, and I've not watched the rest. And I do like the show, but my problem with it is one,

when anything gets so popular, I might- It makes you bristle. It makes me want to turn away from it. Yeah. I'm a bit like that, that's part of my personality is when everyone loves something... Why are you still hanging out with Ramesh? Do you not read the comments?

I'm joking. Yeah, so if everyone loves something, I naturally sort of turn away from it slightly, it's a bit strange. And also my other problem with it is, they bang it out so quick, like, and it's all on iPlayer and there's like two episodes a week and it's all over social media that you find out who's won and who's to

trade it too early. Because like the last series, Paul Gorton I saw him bowing was everywhere, went viral, bowing and then I saw other bits about Leanne winning and oh and then I'm like, oh well I know now. Would you do the celebrity version? Josh, if I'm paid enough I'll do anything on telly. No contact with your family for two weeks? My question is how much, how long now. Would you do the celebrity version? Josh, if I'm paid enough I'll do anything on telly. No contact with your family for two weeks. My question is how much how long where? That's everyone with every job in it. I think it is yeah. Imagine if you're an accountant and you go right this company wants you to go and do the accounts in Scotland. Where? Where abouts how much how long am I there for? Well Rob it's a joy to work with you. Am I, is that too honest? Is that, is that unlikeable?

No, I think that's fine. Do I sound like a mercenary? No, I have this, there's an interesting thing, and I think it's the worstest with football fans and footballers do my head in with this. Football fans think that the footballers that have joined their club, haven't supported it all their life, they don't think that these people are earning a living. Do you know what I mean, they don't think that these people are earning a living. Do you know what I mean? They don't think that these people have got a family. And it's a career and their career finishes at 30.

That Trent Alexander Armstrong, Trent Alexander Arnold has been at Liverpool since he was eight. He's won everything you can win at Liverpool, twice in some regards, like he's gonna win the league again this year. He's been offered a chance to go to the biggest club in the world, which is Real Madrid, and

they're all giving him shit. I'm like, cool, it's growth. The footballers and football managers that you support, right, if you're a football fan, they do not owe you fucking anything. Up the Janus. You are not a special club. They are just saying that. Are you telling me Wayne Rooney wasn't there bleeding green and white army at Plymouth?

He wasn't there for the money. I'll tell you that for free. Well, that's the thing. I'm not a merchant because I go out and do charity gigs. I go and do up the creek for no money. I do like all the comedy clubs for nothing and I enjoy it and I love it. But being away from my family for three weeks to put a cloak on and pretend you got to weigh me in here, son. I ain't doing that off the fucking top for no money. I ain't doing that for BBC money.

I'll tell you that for free. Three weeks away, come on. Put you out of your pocket. I'd rather have a cockroach on my head in the jungle than having to vote me out early. Game of golf, Bosch. Back to the hotel. How is your golf?

I haven't played for years. I'm deeply average. I can probably, if I have a few rounds, I can make par on a couple more. When we started this, you were golfing all left, right and centre. You wouldn't shut up about your days golfing. I know, I loved it, but I've got zero time. I can't. You're on tour, Rob.

No, but I haven't played golf for ages and I'm not confident enough to go to a place or a club on my own. It's quite awkward. Yeah. And then I'm slow, so people are behind me place or a club on my own, it's quite awkward. And then I'm slow. So people are behind me and then if I want to chat, I find it quite stressful. I'd rather go for a run or a walk and I'd be on my own. So I plan to get into golf when the kids are older and I've got more time. I really enjoyed the masters. Have you ever watched the masters?

I watched that the other week. That was amazing. Josh, I was exactly the same as you. And to be fair, I was on a long drive back from Cheltenham and I had literally nothing else to do. But I put it on and it was Rory McIlroy. And I texted my friends that knew about the golf and the backstory and was explaining what's hard, what's not. And I got a little bit of the backstory and I was in.

Yeah. So I like the Ryder Cup. Yeah. I think that's fun. I'm going to give that a go this year. That is great because there's like 12 games going on at the same time and it's swinging and the Americans are such twats, awful people. I don't mean all Americans. I like America. Not the ones that hopefully will come to my North American tour I'm going to do next year. Guys. I don't mean all of Americans, I just mean their golf team. Yeah.

You know when you're like, who are the worst sporting teams on earth? American golf would be numero uno. And everyone hates the Americans at Olympics and Winter Olympics. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, because they're the best. I think golf needs someone, maybe like me, talk myself into a job.

Oh no. But it needs someone to- Are me, talk myself into a job. But it needs someone who's gonna- Are you gonna TikTok up golf? Guys, fucking, let's put these caps on backwards. Why don't we graffiti tag the holes? Two balls each. Colorful, luminous yellow balls that've got cameras in. It needs somewhere where I can click on it

and it goes, this is why this competition will be exciting. And like five paragraphs of they've never won it, they've won it, they're coming into form, they should be the favourite, but we're on the final round and they're three up and then I'm in. Chat GPT. Chat GPT. I'll do that. Do an image of Rob Beckett as a golfer on the final hole at the Masters. if Rob Beckett's a golfer on the final hole at the Masters. And just so you know, people, Rob wouldn't be allowed to say if he was doing Celebrity Traitors, so this might be, that's what a traitor would bloody say.

Maybe I'm a traitor. Maybe he's recording this from a hotel in Scotland. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? No, I'm not in it, though. No. But that's what I would say if I was in it.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Couple of things I wanna talk to you about, Josh. Yeah. One, I had a mental breakdown trying to log into and set up a VR headset for my kids to use And if anyone else is doing this There's a function on it where you could do screen mirroring because basically when your VR headsets on and usually all control the hand controllers You select what you want and set it all up But when it's on your child's head, you can't see what they can see to tell them what to press

So if they're playing a game on the TV, but there's a thing on your child's head, you can't see what they can see to tell them what to press. So if they're playing a game on the TV, but there's a thing on your phone called screen mirroring. So you can see their screen. Yeah, so you have the app and whatever your VR, I think we've got a meta thing, whatever it is. And is it good, the VR headset? Yeah, it's good fun.

There's a boxing one. It really feels like boxing and there's a roller coaster games and there's loads of different games. The kids really loved it, but I honestly- Could you do it on a three-year-old? No, I'd say you want seven and up, maybe a bit older, like legally.

They probably say older now. I think it's designed for 12. It's designed really for like 10 to 12-year-olds, but you could quite do it with a slightly younger, but they're good fun. That is a good tip though, Rob. Add that to the MOT tip, and another good one last time. You are paying out handsomely for the listeners.

Oh, absolutely. No, but so what I'd suggest is set the VR up yourself and get it all working and download all the stuff you want to work and then let them have it the next day and then you can talk them through what they need to press by looking at the screen mirroring on the phone because I literally lost the plot trying to do it, getting all hot and sweaty. Do you know when you sweat sat down through stress? Yeah, you're not even exercising. Yeah, I was Yeah. Oh, the other thing, you know, like, your kids get into stuff. Yeah, that you're oblivious about. But mine are getting to the age now

it's like starts creeping. Well, that you're getting to I know what my daughter's into. But you're really at the age where they're not pulling away, but they're finding their own identity. Do you know what I mean? So not just that, that it's not at the age where they're not pulling away, but they're finding their own identity. Do you know what I mean? So not just that, that it's not that as such because our identity is they quite like the my neighbor Totoro and those Japanese films. That's it. And they love the Japanese coloring

in the other, you know, certain things. Yeah. But they also love their love to have football in the garden. But trends from out that they pick up from other school friends and people and weird zeitgeisty stuff that creeps in as they are in older into school. So for example, we was in London and they wanted to buy a lububu. What's that? Welcome to my world. Yeah, but you're across pop culture 2025.

I'm across pop Mart because I've actually got some pop Mart they're like little figures. It's like a Japanese company I think with these little figures they do. But they do the boo-boos are like these furry little rabbits with like angry faces. And you can create different ones, but you buy the box and they're in wrappers, but you don't know what one you're getting. So it's potluck and there's a queue to get one. And then anyway, I queued up for 15 minutes at Oxford street to get in the shop. They wanted these specific love boo-boos. So when went in to try and find Labooboos. And then there was a guy and it was chaos.

Everyone's grabbing at them. They don't even really know what they want. They've just sort of heard kids at school say it. And they're like 20, 30 quid each one. So it's not mental, but it's not cheap either. It was like their treat for Easter. But they went, we went to the dentist in the morning. My daughter was being really naughty.

I don't know if you ever get this where like, you want to have a fun day with them and maybe spoil them a bit. She refused to have this like gel stuff on her teeth. And she really naughty. I don't know if you ever get this where like you want to have a fun day of them and maybe spoil them a bit. She refused to have this gel stuff on her teeth. And she's like, I don't want it. And I'm looking at her going just have it because I want to fucking spoil you today. But I can't do it if you're naughty now. You're going to ruin the day because it's supposed to be a fun day out. And then I went in there and

they're like, this guy come up to me. It was like, Rebecca, I'm big fan of your stand. I went perfect. And he took my la boo boo's. Where are we going, mate? Come here. Show me the la boo boo's. We've got one on side because it was one of them places. You know, it's that chaos. Everyone's fighting. And luckily there are a couple left. I don't think there's ever a moment I feel older than when I walk past a queue in the street for a shop that I didn't know about. And it's a load of old shit. They're just your plastic toys. And you're like, a fucking bakery?

And you're like, what's going on? I get it for a kid and a teenager. There's 300 teenagers queuing up for a fucking bakery. No, that won't be teenage. So I get it for teenagers and young kids. You see a thing and everyone's got to, and you grow up and become an adult. It's on TikTok or something, right?

Exactly, but that's part of childhood to learn actually, this thing I really wanted everyone's got, I've got it. It doesn't actually bring me that much joy. I just felt like I needed to have it because I wanted to be part of a herd mentality. And that's why I was at school, right? And you see Tina just queuing up to get a pair of trainers or a Supreme in Soho, always busy.

But these fucking 25 year old losers that queue up for a cross on because it's gone viral. Fuck off you grown ups. Pathetic rats. Make your own. Do you know the worst Rob? What? Anyone that queues up for the new iPhone just needs to. Oh my god that doesn't still happen does it? Fucking pathetic. Pathetic. Have you seen the video of the guy that queued up and he dropped it when he showed the cameras? Oh good. That's a good video. You like that.ued up and he dropped it when he showed the cameras? Oh good. That's a great video, you'll like that.

This is Leanne Quigley. Trigger warning! We've got IVF, we've got cancer and we've got premature babies. It's an absolute barnstorm, it's absolutely trigger central. It's genuinely one of the best ones we've done in ages. We love doing it, thank you to Leanne. We're triggered up to the eyeballs. We might have to do a trigger warning for the trigger warning.

Trigger warning for the trigger warning next time. Loads going on here, but it's still very funny. I made a semi-inappropriate joke, didn't I, about her? Don't remember. And also, throughout I'm wearing small ears because I'm using my daughter's headphones. Yeah, they're like little pink ears. Which felt like a mistake halfway through. Here is Leanne.

Leanne Quigley, hello. Hello, how are you, Beau? Good. Welcome to the podcast, Leanne. Leanne Quigley, hello. Hello, how are you, Beau? Good. Welcome to the podcast, Leanne. And now, could we do spoiler alerts for the traitors? Do people know now?

Can we just say? Or people can tell us off? I think, yeah, I think we're pretty safe now, I reckon. Yeah. So the winner of the traitors is excited. You're our first traitor. She's not a traitor. She's a faithful.

Guys, you need to refer to me as a faithful. You're the first person from the traitors. Traitor's alumni. Yes. I'm honored. I'm honored. She's not a traitor, she's a faithful. Guys, you need to refer to me as a faithful. You're the first person from the traitor. Traitor's alumni. Yes. I'm honored, I'm honored. Just for people that don't know, what's your setup at home?

You've got twins. So I have twins. I've just told you, I don't know why I needed to say that. I've got two little boys, two two-year-olds, crazy boys. Identical twins, is that right? They're non-identical, they're so different in every single way, totally different. Oh really?, is that right? They're non-identical. They're so different in every single way. Totally different.

Oh, really? Oh, that's interesting. And they're two. So I was going to say, because I could hear kids in the background, and I didn't know if they were yours, but they were Josh's. But you've just told to be quiet, Josh. Yes. We were just chatting before we started about when they're

in nursery full time, when they're young, it's when they go to school, which you think, oh, that's good. They're at school full time. But then the holidays come and a whole world of pain comes, Le, oh, that's good, they're at school full time, but then the holidays come and a whole world of pain comes, Leanne. So that's heading for you in a couple of years where they're off for six weeks. I feel like I've got a lot to come, haven't I?

I've got a lot to learn, but I tell you what, guys, you've done me a massive favor today because Mondays are our hardest day. You know, as a parent, everyone has a hardest day of the week. Mondays is our hardest day. Why is that, then? Because they go to nursery on a Tuesday to a Friday.

After the whole weekend, I try to keep them entertained. We've got the Monday stuff to go. And here I am with you guys. I ship the kids out, ship Sophie out the house and I've got a couple of hours to myself. Oh nice, so on to what? Well, yeah, you found our secret, which is do a podcast about parenting. Means you don't have to do the parenting at that point. Should we just do one every Monday, but you just don't release them.

Did you have no contact with them during the traitors? No, I didn't. I found that so difficult, so hard. Yeah, because they were still, but they were only one years old and I've been away from my family a lot in my life, a lot, but I've never been away from my kids. So that was the first time. It was hard. And how long was it for in total?

It was only three weeks, but you know, in that stressful environment, it's about like three months. Because it's not like three weeks where you're like getting updates, you don't know what's happening. I don't know what's happening. Yeah, and twins are a handful guys,

like genuinely it takes an army. So I know what it's like with me and Sophie. So for Sophie, my partner to be on her own that whole time. How do you say to someone, I'm gonna go and do a game show for three weeks when you're looking after twins together? Because you can't go, it looks good now because you won. Yeah, I mean, you weren't back in the game.

But it's like a one in 23 chance that you're gonna win. So how did you get that past her? I mean, I think at the beginning, she was thinking, I was thinking of any excuse for a little break. I mean, maybe I was, but do you know what? Sophie was really excited. She was really excited

because we were both massive fans of the show. So when I got the news that I was on, she was just absolutely buzzing. There was no, what about this? What about that? It was, let's pack your case, off you go. Oh, wow. Is that how. There was no, what about this? What about that? It was, let's pack your case, off you go. Oh, wow. Is that how it worked with Lou Robb?

Well, I mean, it's different for us because I actually met me before we had kids when I was always away gigging. So we're just used to being away from home quite a lot. But some people just like, oh, we've never had a night apart in 10 years. I'm like, that's fucking mental though. And that's too far the other way. I don't know why a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I think if I said, I'm just going to go and do like celebrity traitors for three weeks, she'd say, first of all, how much you're getting paid. And then the discussion would carry on after that. It's very much, is it worth it for the money? It's very much all of our conversations. Would you do it though, Rob? I don't know.

I'm not very good at lying. I don't think you have to be, guys. I don't. Really? Yeah, I don't think you have to be at all. And also, I think you've seen how terrible people are on the show at lying, but there's so many different scenarios. There's so many different people there.

I could see Rob losing it with someone. I'd get stressed. I'd be like, it's me. It's me. Fucking hell. You happy now? It's me. Can we just all go home?

Done. I couldn't do it. I'd get so stressed. I'd be- And also you don't feel good on no sleep and there's not much sleep there. Do you not get much sleep? Oh God, you don't get much sleep at all.

Why not? The long days, the long days filming and you know what when you're finished you're overthinking everything you're overthinking it's a long day and there's a lot happens in one day a lot gets said so your brain just is constantly going like this person said this thing this person said that thing. I personally couldn't sleep at night because there's just so much going on in my head and I'd start drifting off I'd think something I'd have to quickly write it down so I didn't forget it the next morning. So yeah, the sleep deprivation is real.

And then you can't speak about being sleep deprived because the traitors you know have to do their bit last. So the traitors should be the most tired people. So you have to pretend to feel really good and like you've slept well. Yeah, exactly. Oh God, it's exhausting, isn't it? I'd be so, oh.

So you had three weeks away from your twins and you got less sleep, is what you're saying? I got less sleep and I come home and Sophie was like, here you go. And I'm like, Sophie, I need a break babe. How much should you win? What's the prize money? 47,000. Fuck it. It's not bad for three weeks, so is it?

And a bit of bad sleep? Yeah, I mean, I think she's pretty happy with that, yeah. That's what Rob will be saying to Lou. Yeah. Because that, you're gambling, because you're like, you know, you only win if you win. If I've got an appearance fee, I'll just sit there for three weeks, not guessing.

I just go to bed every night, go to bed early. Just go out first week. Yeah, exactly. Can I ask, did you speak about your kids a lot then? Because obviously it didn't make the edit, but there must be other people that are missing kids. So is there like a kind of parents group there? The way you're all kind of-

Yes. Do you know what? A lot of us on this season had young children. Mina at the time, her daughter was one. Livy's son was one year old. There's a lot of us, we had a lot in common. A lot of us had young children there. So every day we would speak about our children. It just didn't look like we did.

So it looked like we were just, you know. It wouldn't be as good a show if it was just a load of people sitting around saying how much they missed their children. Exactly. But that's something we bonded on really well because there's a lot of parents in there. We all missed our babies. We were all wondering what they were up to. So you had like, because you get the bare bones of someone's kind of biography and it felt like you had lived hell of a life before you went in there. Because you were, so you pretended to be a nail technician because you thought if you were truthful that you'd been in the

army, people would see you as a kind of threat and you thought, nail technician, I can keep my head down. And you also had twins via IVF. But you left the army because of that or how had that worked? Cause you're not in the army anymore. Is that right? Yeah. So I'm not in the army now. So I'd actually already handed my noticing whilst I was on the show. So I was still in the army whilst we were filming. What did you do in the army?

I was in logistics. Right. I'd already had in my notes in maybe four or five months prior to the show being filmed So I was still in it when I left I would love to know how it would have gone if I was just honest and told everyone I was in the army But you know Harry won last year as a traitor and he was in the army So I just didn't want people to put them two together and also it's a topic of conversation

Somebody looks at me the way I look and if I tell them I'm in the army, oh you don't look like you're in the army, it's a topic of conversation you know. I didn't want that to be a topic of conversation, I just kind of wanted to go under the radar which I did for half of it. So did anyone ask you to do their nails? Every day, every day Rob. Did you do them? Are you good at them? No I'm absolutely horrific, it's embarrassing. Had you not thought that that might come up? No, I'm absolutely horrific. It's embarrassing. Had you not thought that that might come up? It didn't. I honestly, truthfully did it. I did take a nail kit with me just to do my own touch-ups, just in case.

Lisa, Lisa was on my case every day. She broke a nail. She was like, Leanne, you forgot your kit again. I'm like, sorry. It came up a lot, a lot. Really? Was there any other things you toyed with as well that you could have done? You should have just gone hairdresser. Well, do you know what?

That crossed my mind. Every single thing in a salon. I was definitely going to do something in a salon because my sister in law down the road owns one. And I thought hairdresser and I thought, no, because when we go on a mission, one of the girls might ask me to put a braid in the hair. I can't do a braid.

Oh, of course. Good decision. And it's good to have the salon because you can just visualize that that's where you work. You can say, someone's at work. It's down that road, we go there, you know, that kind of thing. Exactly. I'm a nail technician. I thought I'd need kit and I could just keep forgetting my kit, which is what I kept doing.

Of course. Yeah. Oh, that's clever. That's clever. So talk to us about your children. So you've got twins via IVF. Yeah, twins via IVF. Yeah, two boys so they're non-identical and you know what they keep changing one's the calm one, one's the crazy one and then every couple months they'll swap so I never know what I'm gonna expect in the morning. You often get twins with IVF don't you? Yeah it is common but what I had two embryos put in so there was obviously a higher chance of me to have twins there's actually an even higher chance for me to have quads because I had two embryos put in so there was obviously a higher chance of me to have twins there's actually an even higher chance for me to have quads because I

had two embryos in it the chances of splitting were so high. Would you have left your partner with four kids? I would have left them with her and then left. Honestly guys twins is hard. How do people have triplets and quads? I don't know how they do it. Talk to me about how it works in the morning with twins. Are they in the same room?

Can you sleep them in the same room or do they wake each other up? Absolutely not. They've got their bedroom, which I would love for them to share because it's really cute and I spent a lot of time doing it up, but I've had to separate them.

One of them's in the spare room, one of them's in the bedroom because they will wake each other up, they would climb into each other's cot, they'd knock each other out. It's chaos. It's truly chaos. And do they get on? Sometimes, sometimes. I mean they're very protective of each other. You know, they clearly love each other but they're in competition with each other all the time for our attention. And the fighting is relentless. Oh really? Worse than the army. really love each other, but they're in competition with each other all the time for our attention. Yeah.

And the fighting is relentless. Oh really? Worse than the army. Worse than the army, gosh, I'd rather go back to the army. What are they physically fighting all the time? Physically fighting, yeah, and the biting. Oh. Yeah, I'm in the biting stage.

What about nurseries? Are they doing that at nursery as well? Yeah, God, I had the most embarrassing moment. I did get pulled in in that Harley bit another child and I was mortified, thought about it for weeks. But actually he got moved into a different class and he hasn't done it since. He got moved into an older class.

Yeah, you're blaming the other kids. Yeah, it was not him, it was all them. It's all them. The younger kids are just so tasty. That's it. You know, once you're not too moving it was all them. The younger kids are just so tasty. That's it. You know, once you're not too moving with the older kids. Walk all over them, clearly.

It's just a phase though, that biting, you know. Is it? Promise. I would know, my kids never did it, but you know, everyone's different. Do you find, like, do you divide and conquer with your partner or do you like try and keep them to get like, do you know what I mean? Like we have a seven and a three year old and so often because they're into different things we'll take them. By the way, Josh, you've not referenced you're wearing a child's headphones. Oh sorry, sorry, yeah. I think they're really cute. You look mental, you look like an evacuee in your background. Oh no, sorry, I'm away. I was going to use the Apple headphones, but then I was like, these have actually got a lead, so they're actually more practical.

And ear. Yeah, and they've got lovely little- And they look great. And they look great. I might start wearing them around. If I start wearing them out around people, they'll go, they'll cry for attention. He's gone. Josh is gone.

He's gone. And so do you divide and conquer or do you kind of go all four of you when, on your Mondays for instance? Well, we've always been dividing and conquer, but do you know now, maybe one of the boys, every Sunday now, we're gonna do, one of the boys goes to the Nams and then alternate every week.

So it's nice to have bonding time. Yeah. That's the thing with friends, we never get a one-on-one bonding time, it's always both of them. So one of the kids never get our full undivided attention. That is the thing with friends. We never get a one-on-one bond in time. It's always both of them. So one of the kids never get our full undivided attention. That is the kind of thing. Because it's not like, oh, you've got the youngest

who's come along and then gets lots of attention, or you've got the oldest who had that period when it was just them. It's like, from day one, they're sharing the attention. Or every other week as well, one of us will take one out, one will take the other out, and then just keeps rocking. But I don't know, we say that, and it doesn't work because I need backup.

I've got two kids who are two year age gap, and we lump them in together a lot. And they like similar things and they do similar stuff. And the young ones quite physical, so can keep up with the older ones. So we find ourselves doing loads together, and we keep saying, oh, should we split it and stuff? But we all quite like hanging out together.

So it's not like there's not a problem. So it's sort of, if they're enjoying it, then why worry? Yeah, if I need to moan about one of them, Sophie's there and I can just have a moan. If I'm on my own, I've got no one to moan to. Because also, if you're both away with your kid and you're texting each other, it can get to the point where you go,

this is such a weird relationship now, because we're just kind of both doing the same job apart. Literally. When you're deciding who was gonna like have the children and carry the children, tell me if this is too invasive a question, but like in a heterosexual relationship, it's like obvious, there's no discussion

because only one of us can do it. Obviously Rob, we would have done it if we could. Absolutely. Of course you would guys. And of course it would have been a walk in the park. You know what I mean. That's. Just like a big shit, right lads?

Do you know what? I get asked about. Just like a big shit, right, Lance? Do you know what? I get asked this all the time, and it was... It wasn't even up for discussion because... I don't know how some people take this, but I say all the time, Sophie's my boyfriend. She loves football. She loves beer.

She would never carry a child. It just wasn't even a discussion, it was just a feeling. It wasn't even a discussion, yeah. She is literally, I've always said it, she's literally like my boyfriend, she's a lesbian boyfriend. But yeah, it was never up for discussion. I think I want a lesbian boyfriend.

I highly recommend it, George. Sounds great. I'll find you one. And then so what's the process like of IBF then? Like from start to finish? So we actually used Sophie's ex. You what sorry? We used Sophie's ex so we started the process.

Oh thank god you said, first time you said that I thought you said Sophie's ex. I was going to go bloody hell that's, wow that's modern. Guys in the lesbian world there's got to be someone out there that's done that. That's maybe a bit too modern for me, actually. I'm a pretty progressive guy, but that seems like more drama than necessary. Oh, gosh. So we started in January, and by the August, I was pregnant. So it was quite a fast process for us.

Yeah, we were really lucky. So yeah, we used Sophie's eggs. Most certainly not the eggs. Yeah, so she had her eggs out. She had 20 eggs. She gave 10 to me. She gave 10 to the clinics. I give to women who can't produce their own eggs. And next thing you know, I'm having two women.

Like having 20 eggs out, is that just one process? How does it work? Do you know what I mean? Is that one thing? She basically had hormone injections into her stomach for a number of days, say 10 days and it would increase the amount of follicles inside her and not every follicle would have an egg in it. So when she had all these follicles removed, it turned out she had 20 eggs and yeah, that's in one sitting. That was one cycle, one round of IVF yes we don't have any more embryos

in the bank now so out of all of those 10 that I that we got yeah two made it to blastocyst the other eight didn't survive and there's like the X factor isn't it the X factor if you were on judges houses so what happened where did the other eight fall by the wayside? Before... Okay, so I think six of them were before... They didn't survive coming out, so they didn't even get mixed with the sperm. And then I had four that did, and then only two of them made it to blastocyst, which is basically day five.

Day five embryos. And that's what's good enough to go inside your body to hopefully get you pregnant and create a baby. Blimey. Your children, are they from two separate eggs or? Two separate, yeah, two separate. So that's why they're not identical. So it's two completely separate children

that were born at the same time. I say that and I'm not actually sure, because for all I know, I don't know where they came from. I don't know, you know, and I've always had this, I don't know if Hudson's from this embryo and Harley's from this embryo, or if this embryo didn't work and this embryo split.

I don't know that. Yeah, how would you know? I actually don't know. Would they not be identical if it split? I don't know. I don't know. Leanne, I'm out my depth. I'm out my depth.

I knew you was out your depth when you said fall by the wayside. Medical term. Blast assist is a great term though, that. Blast assist. And is it like a stressful period of your life? Because isn't there also something that like you've got to kind of, have you got to live in a certain way to make it more likely to take and all that kind of stuff?

Or is it? Yeah, of course. I mean, we took it really easy for a while. It is so stressful. IVF is so stressful. It's just riddled with anxiety because it's a lot of money. It's a lot of money. If it doesn't work, you've got to spend all that money again. We're just so lucky that it worked on our first go. We're so, so, so lucky. Do you know what the chances are of it working first time? And it must depend all on different people though, because different sperm counts, different bodies Do you know what the chances are of it working first time? And it must have depend all on different people though, because different sperm counts, different bodies and you know.

Yeah, and your age, your weight, all of it, yeah. And so then it's kind of just, IVF doesn't really come into it, it's just a kind of generic pregnancy in that sense. So then when you find out it's twins, how was that moment? Sophie collapsed on the floor. I said, babe, we are too embryos, what are you expecting?

But also it's quite good if it's expensive. You've got to borrow and get one free on the day. It's what I say all the time, two for the price of one because it's bloody expensive. So at least I've had two children paid one price. So I'm very happy about that, but it is a normal pregnancy. But they do say with an IVF pregnancy, you are at higher risk still because it is a foreign object, especially for me.

It was a foreign object in my body. It wasn't even my ex. So yeah, my body's had all these hormones and medications to trick myself into thinking my body's created this baby. I don't know. I suffered with hyperemesis really bad. I don't know if you're... What's that, sorry?

It's a sickness within pregnancy, but a really severe sickness where you can't even keep anything down. Did Kate Middleton have that? Yes, she did. She was very poorly. I had never heard of it. I just thought I had really awful morning sickness, but it completely wiped me out and I was so poorly. And maybe that's because I went through IVF.

Maybe it's because I had twins, I don't know. Yeah. And were you working at the time as well? I was, yeah. So I had to have a at the time as well? I was, yeah. So I had to have a lot of time off work. I was still in the army. I think I had about two months off work at the beginning of my pregnancy just because I was still ill.

This is a probably might be a weird question, but obviously in the army there's uniform. Do they have a pregnancy option or do you just have to put a bigger top on? They do. They do have a pregnancy option. But I actually wore the bigger top because the pregnant option was really ugly. I didn't know if it was official or they were like, just give her a bigger top. It is, it is official now. It's quite, it's well, I'll tell you what, there is an actual uniform. It's separate to the empty P kit is what it's called and it looks very Victorian. It's very horrific.

So I went with the oversized option. Right, fair enough. To not look so Victorian. Like a rapper in an oversized camo. Like Missy Elliott. Yeah, that's been left out in the sun for 60 years. And so once again, you don't have to answer any of these questions. What's the score with choosing the sperm? How did that work? Guys, It's a whole catalog. You can choose eye color the hair color That's job history their likes and dislikes Everything yeah, it's crazy. Is it a physical catalog or is it an online kind of it's online, but I would love a catalog But the only thing you can't see photos no yeah, you can't see photos obviously data protection But if I was to source sperm from a European sperm donor company, you can see a photo of them when they were

toddlers. Oh, I see. But in the UK, you can't see any pictures. You just have to envision it. So my sperm donor, he's Irish. He's got a chiseled jawbone. So in my mind is very handsome. And that's all I know about him. All his dark hair. And my kids don't have a chiseled jawbone or dark hair. And so the YouTube both just sat there like scanning through. Yeah, we were, do you know what, for a while we were filtering everything.

We were like, what job do we want him to have? Do you know what actually, we were. Do you know what? For a while we were filtering everything. We were like, what job do we want him to have? Do you know what? Actually, we were choosing our sperm just after lockdown and it was really difficult because there was no sperm. Because obviously nobody could donate in lockdown. Of course. It's hard to get it in the pot from two meters away. When I was donating, I just couldn't. I'll take your word for it. It's just too difficult to get in there with the social distancing.

Well, what it came down to for us was just their family health background. Yeah. You know, we kind of like put the hair colour out the window apart from ginger because I'm naturally ginger. You know, I got a lot of shit for in school, so I've got to save the kids from that. You're naturally ginger. I am. I am. It's took a lot for me to admit that over the years. Another lie. another lie. You heard the web you eat. I should have been a changer. I can't believe anything.

We'll come up with this in summer. I spoke sadly out of crazy life. It's actually a bloke called Stephen. Oh, it's all a charade. Who's ginger? Yeah. And does he have a chance? What's the score these days with whether you can get in touch

or he can get in touch or none of that kind of? I think when the boys turn 18, if they wanted to find out that sperm donor they could. But also, it's the same with Sophie, she donated 10 of her eggs. In how old are the boys? Two, so in 16 years time,

we could have a couple of knocks at the door and Sophie could have some biological children. Yeah, it's crazy. She donated her eggs, yeah. And do you think you'll go again? Or now crazy. Would you donate it to her ex? Yeah. And do you think you'll go again, or now, you know, you're blessed with two in one sitting. Are you done now, or do you reckon you'd go again?

I'm gonna go again. Oh, that's exciting. She's just coming to 47 grand, Rob. Come on. I'm gonna have another poor wife. No, I'm not, I'll actually die. I would like one. I would love a little girl, guys.

I really love a little best friend. And is Sophie up for this, another child? No. Absolutely not. She's traumatised, she's exhausted. She's like, Leanne, do you really need another? I said, yes, babes. I said to her, what would you do if I just come home

and tell you I'm pregnant? And I've just done it without you knowing. She said, you can't do that. I'm your partner. I said, well, that's what happens in a heterosexual relationship. You missus can come home and just say I'm pregnant. That's not what happens.

Lou doesn't go out and just come back and say she's pregnant after shagging some bloke. I've got to be there. Well, I said to her, it's not like I'm going out and shagging. It's science. It's science. Oh, I thought you meant you were just going to go out and just... I thought that's a bit much.

Don't give me 10 rounds. So how do you split the parenting then? So are you back at the army full time? Have you left there now? And is Sophie working? I'm out, I'm free. Sophie's been off work for a while. And you're out forever or are you just- I'm out forever, I'm not going back.

There's a lot of parents in the army with kids and I praise them because it's hard being a mom and it's hard being a soldier. I didn't say a chance that like because obviously you know when you know army kids who are army kids kind of thing and often they've they were born in Germany and then they lived in and is there you just get sent somewhere is that the chance that that would happen you'd all been in an army school and that kind of thing? Yeah we could have if we stayed in the army do you know what there could have been a chance there could have we could have. If we stayed in the army, do you know what, there could have been a chance.

There could have been a world where we did stay in the army, but the boys were really poorly when they were born. They were very premature. So if I had had a healthy pregnancy and healthy children, I don't know, maybe it would be different. Maybe we would have stayed in the army and we would have traveled. I don't know.

You have just reminded me. That was another fact about your story. Was it 31 weeks that you had the kids 26 26 weeks 26 weeks so they were smaller than the palm of your hands fucking hell how long were they in hospital for 91 days it would have been longer but they allowed us to come home with them on oxygen and feeding tubes because I look I learned very quickly I think that's one of the things I've learned about being in the army.

I adapt really well. So I adapted in the hospital. I learned everything medical wise. So I could actually look after them just as well as the trained medical staff. So we were actually allowed to go home much earlier. And so what happened at 26 weeks? Was it related to your illness? That's the thing. I don't know.

To this day, I still don't know. And my placenta got sent off for testing. There's no answers. I just went into spontaneous labor. It was actually, so we were visiting my mom for the weekend. She, at the time, she lived in Nottingham. It was her birthday weekend. And they were all drinking, playing Family Bingo.

We loved playing family games in the kitchen. They were all drunk. I said, guys, I think I'm in labour. They said, shut up, they'll stop being dramatic. And the next morning, lo and behold, I am in labour. Sophie's got a stinking hangover. Oh, God. Yes. And it just, spontaneous labour, it just happened. There's no explanation. I still don't know why.

You must have been terrified, weren't you? We were terrified. I mean, I have heard that you can, not reverse labor, but you can hold it. You can keep someone in labor if you get them at a certain point, I'm sure. But I was past that. I was already four centimeters when I got to the hospital,

but they managed to get some steroid injections into me before I did give birth to just try and save their lungs a little bit because they were so unbelievably tiny. Did you think that you might lose them at lungs a little bit because they were so unbelievably tiny. Did you think that you might lose them at that point? I thought they were going to die. Yeah, I did not think for a second.

Oh my God. I didn't think they were going to live. I didn't. And I just thought everything we've worked for. So how early is 26 weeks in months? How many months pregnant were you? What's that? Six? Is it six?

So yeah, I'm three months early. Three and a half months early. Jesus, what? Oh my God. When they come out, they're formed. They're fully formed. I mean, their eyes were fused shut. They couldn't open their eyes, obviously. They're just, yeah, they're not fully developed,

but they looked like tiny little babies. They had little tiny fingers, but they just, it's like they weren't mine. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Not real. Yeah, they were so tiny, they were not real. And I've never in my life seen anything like it, never. Oh my God.

And then are they just put in a kind of incubator or something, can you hold them or what's the score? Or are they- No, I didn't get to hold them. They actually, so I went in, I had an emergency section. I was given birth naturally for Harley. He is the little shit who went into him. He went breach, he's the naughty one now.

So I actually have an emergency section. So when they came out, they were still in their sacks. So they took him out of me, they're still in their sacks, packed their sacks, and they actually got put into plastic bags. I think that's a procedure of premature babies to keep the moisture in. And they got taken away straight away

for about eight to 10 hours. So I didn't see them until that night. Oh my God. Yeah, and even then I hadn't seen them for half an hour. What you for about eight to ten hours so I didn't see them until that night. Oh my god. Yeah and even then I hadn't seen them for half an hour. What you doing those eight to ten hours? You're just waiting away. Horrendous yeah I had Sophie with me, I had my mum and I had my little sister. All hung over. Yeah they were all hung over and I'm like guys this is not about you right now.

I think I was just I was a bit out of it, I was a bit out of it and I was a bit... In shock? Yeah, completely shocked because I think, how was I not hysterical? I was just laid there staring in space for the whole time. I think it's just something you don't expect. Yeah. And when could you hold them? When was it? Yeah, a couple of weeks. So that night I seen them for about half an hour. They got taken to a different city. They got taken in ambulance rushed off to a different city they had to go to Birmingham because they needed special care and I was still in Nottingham

oh my gosh and were you in a bad way because obviously you'd had a c-section so that's like having operation basically so it's a few days until you can absolutely and they wouldn't discharge me because I was in a bad way so I didn't actually see them until the next afternoon and at that point I didn't know if I was gonna ever see them again I didn't know if they were gonna survive the journey or survive the night they were intubated so they had you know and what were the doctors saying were they being reassuring were they saying we can't kind of there's one thing I remember during this 8 to 10 hour wait

between giving birth and seeing the boys properly for the first time I do I remember this guy coming in I'm guessing he was a consultant of some sort, and I remember him saying to me, I think your chances are all right. And that's what I remember. And I looked at my mum and I thought, I'd rather hear nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather hear nothing than, you know. So that haunted me for a long time. Were you in Birmingham for that sort of three months then with them?

We were in Birmingham for two weeks. Where were you based, sorry? Are you lead? We live in North Wales so our aim was to get up to North Wales eventually so we spent a couple of weeks in Birmingham, they put us in a welfare flat. So we were away from all our family, didn't know where we were, the kids were so poorly. So I was begging them, can we get up to Wales? Our family's there, we need support.

So after two weeks, I went in an ambulance with Hudson, who was twin number one. So we went up to North Wales, got to the hospital, and he was affected really bad from the journey, because his body's so tiny. Can you imagine in an ambulance laying down? Yeah, exactly. They wouldn't bring Harley over, they wanted to fly him.

They wanted to get him in a helicopter, but that week, of course, there was loads of storms, so we were separated. Sophie was in Birmingham with Harley, I was in Wales with Hudson. It was just all a living nightmare. Oh my gosh. Yeah, but eventually they came after about a week or so,

and we were back together for a small time before one of them needed to go to Liverpool Children's. So yeah, we was together and then not together. Yeah, has that made you sort of very sort of like anxious around like developmental stages of what they've been up to as they've grown? You know, like any parent goes, well, they've not started doing that yet

or they've not done that yet. Are you a little bit hot on that? Completely, yeah. And the thing with me is I compare them and I get told all the time don't compare them you can't help it when you've got twins you compare them so one of them is speaking a lot one of them not so much so he's been referred to speech and language but do you know what if you've seen them now you'd have no idea that they were so in they were so prim because they're doing so amazing they They actually blend in at nursery.

And nursery is another one. It's riddled, riddled with germs. Riddled, it's disgusting. And that's what you don't want your premature child around. You don't want around germs. But on the other hand, it helps their development because they're seeing all these other children learning. You can get your immune system up, bite in a cheek.

It's good for you. Yes, especially the younger ones. Well, because obviously every parent with premature children has that worry, but like Tyson Fury, who was born premature and was weighed a pound. A pound. And he went into being this six foot nine giant that was a heavyweight champion of the world.

A pound. He was half the size of my kids. And I can't even tell you, my palm. So that means Tyson Fury was that big. His pinky finger is probably bigger than how big he was when he was born. Like I can't believe that. Yeah, he's a world champion. So the boys are going to be world champions. So it's destined. And it's something.

And sorry to keep it on medical stuff. Sadly, last year as your partner, Sophie, grade three, is it? Grade three, yeah. Grade three, sorry, I want to get a term in a direct. Grade three, breast cancer. Yeah. Which has obviously been difficult as well. I mean, you're like an absolute ray of sunlight and positivity.

How are you managing, on the biggest show on TV that you won, you've been in the army, you've had these two twins going through that journey. Now, how are you continuing to be so positive? When you put it like that, it's a lot, isn't it? I'd say half of one of those five things I listed would be difficult, but you've got all that going on and you're dealing with it incredibly well. Do you know what, Leanne, we've had some people where we struggled to fill the time. We've had some... No worries here. Perfect guys, I'll write you a book. Do you know what? I think, I don't know how we got

through what we did. I think you have no choice. You know, people said to me all the time, I don't know how you're doing it. I had no choice but to carry on with the kids, look after yourself. And I think now we're just so grateful to be in the position we've got two, as healthy as they can be boys, who are just a delight sometimes. And Soph is getting her health back. And I think we've been through a hell of a lot.

It's been horrific. And we're slowly coming out the other end now. And I think it's time to enjoy life and just appreciate everything that we've got and try and give back a little. Yeah, I think actually it might have been helpful on the traitors because if you go in for three weeks, if someone goes, how are you doing?

If you don't mention any of that, it's quite a relief. I'm just an out edition for a bit. I'm just not me, yeah. Was there a part of you? Cause one of the things about that show is it seems like it's a bubble where everyone seems that they just can't help but think it's the most, while they're there. A bit like Edinburgh for me and Rob was, you can't escape that it feels more important than obviously it is from the outside. Was there a part of you that was

like, who gives a fuck if mean is a traitor? Do you know what I came through? You had premature kids at 26 weeks. I couldn't give a fuck whether you're saying I'm a traitor. I would love you guys to experience it. I would just love it just so you can understand that it's so serious when you're there. And we go back and we're like, guys, why did we cry every day about someone getting banished

that we're gonna see next week? It's crazy. It's so intense and it's so serious and it's so real. Yeah. And we've only met these people a couple of days ago and crying our eyes out that they've just left. Yeah. It's a lot. But it's given you the platform to talk about all these things and also, so you're doing Race For Life UK. Yes, we are. Me and Sophie are doing it together with the family. Yeah, we're really excited. So tell us about that. Yeah, so we're actually going to do the Pretty Muddy. Have you heard of that one with the obstacle course? No.

What's it called sorry? Oh guys pretty muddy you need to have a look into it, sign up for it. Not Tough Mudder, Pretty Muddy. Pretty Muddy yeah so it's a muddy obstacle course it's just a lot of fun and I think do you know what I thought it was going to be a bit easier than just continuous running because truthfully being in the army has given me PTSD from running. But actually I think it's gonna be more difficult because when you're climbing up an inflatable obstacle, sliding down, it's exhausting. So really maybe I've picked a harder one. You're basically getting donations then.

What charity are you raising for? Cancer Research UK. Cancer Research UK. So when's the event and how can people donate? You can actually sign up on raceforlife.org and I would encourage everybody to do it because wanting two people to get cancer, I've learned so much guys.

Like I was one of them people, I didn't know anything about cancer, you know, it's just blissful ignorance. I was lucky enough to never know anybody to go through it and then suddenly the person I love the most in the world is going through it. So I've needed to educate myself and the work and the research,

like Cancer Research does is just incredible. They helped fund the drug that Sophie was on. So really, they helped save her life. So if I could give back in any way and raise some money for them, that would mean a lot to us. So yeah, we're gonna be doing the pretty money as a family. 26th of July, we're gonna do it all together. So we're- Nice and warm as well for the a family. 26th of July, we're going to do it all together.

Nice and warm as well for the wet night. Nice and warm, yeah, so the mud will dry on us. They've got loads all around the country, so I'm on the website now, so you just put in your location, there's loads of them, like you have Birmingham, Northampton, Leeds, Newcastle, Chelmsford, everywhere. Everywhere. And there's something for everyone as well. There's a 3k, a 5k, a 10k, if you're the opposite to me and love running. Kids can get involved,

I think, I want to say from the age of six. Oh really? Oh nice, so the family ones. Yeah, you can take your kids along, yeah. So it's something for everybody to get involved. With the army training, what is that like when you say you hate running now and stuff? How extreme is the training? It's a lot of weighted. So I'm tiny and I would carry over half of my own body weight. I weigh 50 kilograms and we would carry 25 kilograms. So back in my day, I could, we were really, really, really fit.

And Sophie, Sophie was attached to the infantry quite a lot. Did you meet Sophie in the army? Yeah, we were both in the army, yeah. And so when you say logistics, so like you're a soldier, but then you can specialize in a certain thing and but you are sort of like not in the army, yeah. And so when you say logistics, so like you're a soldier, but then you can specialise in a certain thing, but you are sort of like not in the office kind of thing, you are properly on the ground doing that. But when I think of logistics, I think of a sort of like

just a bloke who's sorting lorries out, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I was basically, I had my big hairy arse out of my arse and all the lads. Did you start in infantry then, and then you specialise into a different area? So basically everybody's a soldier first, and then everybody has their trades. So Sophie was an admin, I was logistic.

So what I did, whatever unit I was attached to, I would supply what it was they needed. So if I was attached to a medical unit, I would supply medical equipment or weapons, ammunition. If I was attached to the engineers, I would supply vehicle spares, anything they need for their vehicles and if we deployed together that would be my role out there basically. Okay brilliant. Did you join at 16? I was 16 yes.

My whole adult life. And is Sophie still in the army? No she's out now as well. She left just when I had the boys. Oh wow. So she's actually an aircraft engineer now, which is quite terrifying. She builds airplane wings. How do you split the childcare up then? Because obviously, is she full time doing that? Because are you sort of off doing this stuff and the kids? Yeah, basically.

Well, she actually works shifts. So one week she's home by one in the afternoon. And then the next week she doesn't start until one in the afternoon. So really she has a lot of time at home. So her shifts are actually incredible. Oh, that's perfect. Perfect.

And I've got to say, cause I thought of it earlier, there was a point during some of the heavier stuff where I thought I regret this being the one where I've got little pink ears from my headphones. Cause I caught an image of me while you're talking about. I caught a few actually. While you were talking about your child being born 14 weeks premature and I had these little figures. 26. The needles have gone to your head. I know it's just like oh my god. I tell you what you've done me a favour because I just I thought I'd got to get emotional and I took one look at your ears and then I'm back in. Are you still in touch with all the people from the Traitors?

Just indulge me in some Traitors chat. He wants some Traitors chat. He wants, this is his tick list. It's all your Traitors questions now, Josh. Come on. Yeah, there's one group chat that goes every single day. Is there? Yeah, there's a few of us that are really, really close.

We've got the main group chat, which where people chat every now and then, but we have a separate one as well. Who are you really, really close to? I don't go a day without speaking to Mina, Anna. Oh, I love Mina. Yeah, Freddie. Poor guy, still traumatised from being recruited. Oh, poor Freddie. Do you speak to the ones from the other series?

We have, actually. Is it a bit of rivalry? Like, you're sort of enemies a little bit. Our series is better than your series? That kind of energy. I've got a question actually. What series do you guys think was best? Two was the best. Your one, I think your one, yeah. Okay, Rob, you're my favourite now. Absolutely.

Would you do Traitor's Champion of Champions? Oh, like a Traitor's All Stars? Like a Traitor's All Stars, yeah. Mmm, I think people will think I'm a traitor though, straight away, because I've been very open about how much I've wanted to be. Judging by your life story, if you were offered the chance to win Traitors All-Stars, the ultimate win, you'd take it.

Would you do other things like that? Because you see people like, I said, Evie, I can't remember her name from series two did Dancing on Ice and stuff. Oh, Molly. Molly, would you go into the jungle and stuff like that now? Because obviously, you know, going into the jungle for you would be Oh, Molly. Molly, would you go into the jungle and stuff like that now?

Because obviously, you know, going into the jungle for you would be neither in or there really, would it? Do you know what? I would absolutely love to, but the thought of blended balls in my mouth makes me ill. You can have them whole, if you don't want them blended. Oh, perfect, stand me up.

I'm sure they'll do that. I'm not a fan of smoothies either. And one other thing on the Race for Life is the playlist. Talk to me about this playlist. Yes. So I think this is a really fun campaign because music is a massive motivator, don't you think? So I think there's two types of people in this world. I went running with a friend recently, and I was like, I don't wanna chat, I just wanna listen to music.

No, nobody wants to chat, you get stitched. Yeah, exactly. I just wanna listen to music, yeah. And no one wants to hear me panting my head off. No, exactly. As I'm running, yeah, exactly. So, I was thinking about this the other day, there's two types of people in the world,

there's a get up and goer, and there's a procrastinator, and I in the world. There's a get up and goer and there's a procrastinator and I'm a procrastinator. Sophie's a get up and goer. Yeah, I am. I know. I really am. I will sit until the very last minute until something needs to get done and rush around and stress myself out. Yeah, I can't help it.

Whereas Sophie's a get up and goer. But if I put music on, I'm all over it. It absolutely changes my mood. It lifts me up. And that's why I think this is a really fun campaign because I think music helps people get through a lot of things. It brings back memories of something like a really nice time of your life. I really love the place for life and we've put a song in that's really close to our hearts. It's a song that we listen to the most when Sophie was diagnosed by our favourite artist.

And yeah, I think it's incredible so I would absolutely... So your favourite artist diagnosed her? Sorry! That would have been iconic to be honest! Sorry! Yeah so that was our bit we put out there for all the students! Dr Ray? Kendrick Lamar's here with a folder and a sad face! I'm sweating! Sorry! Kendrick Lamar's here with a folder and a sad face. Sorry. I'm sweating. Oh my God.

I apologize. I'm gonna laugh about it. Oh God. So this playlist, so where can you access this playlist? On raceforlife.org. When you sign yourself up for a race, you can put your chosen song in. Oh, brilliant.

And it's put all together and the reason why for people. Yeah, so when I'm zooming past, it's because I've got my music in guys. Don't try and talk to me. Oh, there. And it's put all together. And the reason why for people. Yeah. So when I'm zooming past, it's because I've got my music in guys. Don't try and talk to me. Oh, that's the thing that, you know, because Romesh is running the marathon. He's not zooming past. Oh no, bless him.

The reason why he did it quite slowly last year, and he's going to be much quicker this year, is because there aren't selfies people wanted. And he had to keep stopping. He's too polite. Oh guys, I'll be asking people for selfies so I can stop and have a break. So raceforlife.org also, if a couple or someone on their own

is looking to do an IVF journey, as they'd say, what would you advise as kind of the first steps? I would say, have a look into the sperm donor, go and have a look at your sperm, because that for us was the longest look into the sperm donor. Go on and have a look at your sperm because that for us was the longest process picking our sperm donor. So have a look at that and do your research in all the different clinics

because every clinic has a different success rate. I'm absolutely made up with the clinic we went to. I would go to that clinic again. But absolutely do the research of what you want to do. Do you want to do shared motherhood? Do you want to use your own eggs? There's so many different avenues you can go down to absolutely research this, Kay.

And the final question, Leanne, we always ask, what is it about Sophie that makes you sort of just crumble to the floor in awe about how amazing she is as a mother? And what is it she does that winds you up a bit? Oh, God. And if she was listening, she'd go, she's got a fair point, actually.

Okay, I know what it is. So she is an incredible, incredible mom. And I'm a night owl. She's a morning girl. So a lot of times she will get up in the morning with the kids, change their nappies, bring them down for breakfast and give me a little lie in. And that is just marriage material, do you love it?

What really grinds my gears about self? So when she wears a t-shirt and a jumper, when she's getting changed at night, she won't take the jumper off, put it in the basket, and then take the t-shirt off. She'll take the t-shirt and the jumper off in one go and put it in the basket so the t-shirt is just all rolled up inside the jumper.

Guys, it drives me mad. Does it? It drives you mad. Do you do that? Is it a boyfriend thing? No, I don't do that. Is it a guy thing? It's a lesbian boyfriend thing.

It's a lesbian boyfriend thing, it is. That's the lesbian boyfriend thing, I hear. I can see why that's not... Do you do the washing then at home? Erm... Next question. So it's not even related to the washing? When I was doing it. 50-50.

But you know what, I'm really bad for mixing colours, I really am. So she's just like, don't touch this, I'll do it. Right, fair enough. So you get annoyed with the jumper that she's going to wash. It's just the premise. It's just the premise. That's it. Yeah. No, it's just the principle. Fair enough. So you get annoyed with the jumper that she's going to watch. It's just the premise. It's just the premise. It does it. Yeah. No, it's just the principle. Fair enough. Thanks so much, Leanne. It's such an amazing story. Oh, thank you guys.

Leanne Quigley. What a story, Rob. That and everything. She's lived about eight lives. I know. I feel like we need to get her back. She's not even 30. How old is she? She was 28 in the traitors, so she must be 29 now. Oh yes, she went to the Army at 16 and then all that, her partner being unwell and then

she's doing the Race for Life stuff, the Premature Children, the IVF, oh mate, that was like a fucking parenting hell bingo. For an house! I've got it all! And throughout I've got fucking little mouse ears on my head. Absolute disaster. Just all you're doing is snuffling around for little nuggets of trait and gossip as well. I didn't get to ask whether she thought Charlotte was good at a Welsh accent, but we'll do that another time.

I actually feel like you were slightly frustrated that her story was so good that there weren't more traits and stuff. Fucking hell, IVF, move it on. Round it up, come on. Let me know what the cloak feels like. Less IVF, more Claudia Winkleman, come on. I'm gonna let you tell the secret. Haven't watched the traitors and I did well there. You did that so well. Great trader behavior of classic trader.

Respect. Never seen it. Absolutely starved that out. I've got a few bits. Yeah. Right. I'll see you next week. Josh. See you next week. Cheers, mate. Bye.