Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S10 EP2: Danny Jones

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

Joining us this episode to discuss the highs and lows of parenting (and life) is the brilliant musician and current King of the 'I'm a celebrity get me out of here' jungle - Danny Jones. Find out all the info on World Book Day and McDonald's collab with You Choose HERE Parenting Hell is a Spotify Podcast, available everywhere every Tuesday and Friday. Please subscribe and leave a rating and review you filthy street dogs... xx If you want to get in touch with the show with any correspondence, kids intro audio clips, small business shout outs, and more.... here's how: EMAIL: [e-mail] Follow us on instagram: @parentinghell  Join the mailing list to be first to hear about live show dates and tickets, Parenting Hell merch and any other exciting news... MAILING LIST: parentinghellpodcast.mailchimpsites.com A 'Keep It Light Media' Production  Sales, advertising, and general enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Stream live and on demand on Stack TV. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hill with. Martinez, can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. And can you say Josh Whitcomb? Josh Whitcomb. Oh, good job. Americans? Americans? Martinez is the boy, Canadians. Oh, it's my two year old Martin. Good speaking for a two year old. Yep. Uh, Martinus, Martinez, uh, Navratilova, Martinez, Martinus. Stop talking. Giving your names a go. You're malfunctioning. Sorry. I'm a long time listener. I was just a nanny, not just a nanny when I started listening, but now I have a two year old of my own. Marty's sister, Stevie just turned one. So

your podcast, God, we've been going a long time. Haven't we Rob? She's gone from nanny to mother of two in the time we've been doing this. Benjamin Barton, she's going backwards. Oh no, a nanny, not a nanny. Yeah, right. So your podcast got me through many car naps when trying to juggle two nap schedules with two under two. That's a nanny, isn't it? Who's got nap schedules. Do you know what I mean? Just stick them in the car and hope for the best in it, normally.

There's a teacher at my daughter's school, and he's just had a kid. And his wife works in a nursery. And I was talking to her at the summer fete, and that kid was about three months old, and was already doing 12 hours straight through. So it sounds like the start of an ITV crime drama. You've moved to this new school.

Sorry. I was talking to this new school. Sorry, I was talking to a mum who's a nursery teacher. And then there was a scream from the hall. Yeah, exactly. But who did it? No, she's a nursery teacher, but a three month old was sleeping straight through already because they know all the things, don't they, from doing other kids. Also as well, I do think that like like some people are quite sensible and chilled and then their kids are sensible and chill rather than just absolute chaos which is our house thanks for all the laughs and making light of the hardships of parenting we're all just trying our best keep it section related to Alex from Hamilton Ontario Ontario Ontario Ontario this has been a fucking mess this morning, Rob.

Let's call a spade a spade here. We had a stressful morning. The kids went back to school after half term, so that was busy. My ceiling leaked again. I've got a voice note from Lou, but I don't want to listen to it in case it's not fixed. You've had a nightmare with storage. I'm in the office because there's a sander. And if those anecdotes feel familiar during the Stacey Dooley interview that's coming up in a week or two, that's because we've just recorded that. And then we've recorded Danny Jones. Full transparency, 10am on a Monday morning, we did Dooley, then we did Danny Jones.

Now we're doing this. The Dooley one, I'll go out at some point. Danny Jones is going out soon. Well, in about 10 seconds after we finished chatting. Yeah. To be honest, if I was you, skip through. I've got a leaky roof. No, it's actually gold. Actually, it is. I've got a leaky roof. You've got a sanded floor that was too loud. So you went to the offices to do your podcast.

And have you got a problem with storage or something this morning? Oh, do you want me to say about my storage issue? Yeah. I had a bit of a set too with a guy. So we're selling stuff from our storage because of the price hike. Because we're moving up. Your storage price hike, yes. Yeah.

We've already, Rose has managed to sell a third of it on Instagram. That's good going already. Very good. But we need to sell the other two thirds. So to do it, everything was in storage and we had to get it photographed Rob. So I put it on your friend of mine, Air Tasker, to get some people to photograph it. Got two guys down, said you take this all out, take a photo, put it on every single item and then put it back. Right?

That's a lovely old job that. Lovely gig, lovely gig. Lovely gig, I'd be well up for that. If I was looking for a bit of work, I'd do that. At the moment I'm not, I'm busy enough. I should have thrown it open to you. How much are well up for that. If I was looking for a bit of work, I'd do that. At the moment I'm not. I'm busy enough. I should have thrown it open to you. How much are you paying for that service? It's a two-man job. So I paid them £150 each because it's a day's work.

Okay, fair enough. That's a lovely little gig. It's a lovely gig. Yeah, and it's all day though there. There's a lot of stuff. Well, no, they did it much quicker than I anticipated. Hahahaha! day they were there, there's a lot of stuff. Well, no, they did it much quicker than I had anticipated. Well, they've, you know what, you've been generous, they've had a lovely day. I've been generous. Some of the people who offered to do it 500 quid on airtel, so I couldn't go and fuck themselves. I'll tell you that for free. Cereal killers.

Anyway, so they're in the storage. Yeah, great photos. Then three weeks later, I go back to the storage. They've packed it all back up. One of the lamps is smashed on the storage. Yeah, great photos. Then three weeks later, I go back to the storage. They've packed it all back up. One of the lamps is smashed on the floor, Rob. You should have paid more for the 500 quid. I text the guy, I'm like, you've smashed the lamp. Yeah, you smashed the lamp. Yeah. Yeah. What did he say? He says, it wasn't smashed. Why are you only texting me after three weeks? You're just

texting me. He goes quite aggressive for Oh, I was like, I'm texting you after three weeks, because I don't live in my storage. Like, also as well, if he's taken a photo of the lamp not smashed, yeah, then he was in possession of it not smashed. And if he's put it back in, whether or not it was smashed before he put it back in, it's got smashed while it's been in there. And no one's been in there.

No one's been in there. He goes on the attack, which is to be honest, if he hadn't gone on the attack, it would have been fine. But he accuses me basically of... We didn't smash anything. Anything that was broken was reported to you as and when such as we found it. It's almost three weeks since we completed the job and you're only telling us now, yeah, I don't live in my storage facility. So is this just a random guy or has he got like a business? I don't need to name it but is he like a business? Is this a guy called like Steve something? He was very good as well. So you know. Well he doesn't sound very good. He did it in half the time. It cost you double the price. He smashed the lamp. It didn't cost me double the price. Well, well it has if they didn't do it in a default day.

Oh, yeah. Anyway, I go back to Rose. Yeah. How much is this lamp worth? Would you say? Well, I go back to Rose, it was worth quite a lot of money. And so we were just like, what are we doing? What am I gonna do end up in an argument with a guy from Airtask? I just can't be bothered. Just give him a bad review. Well, no, because I'd already left a good review.

Before reviewing the job. Well, he'd sent me a photo of it all fine. Anyway, Rob, I texted him, I said, I've spoke to my wife. We've discussed that. What? This is this is a bad test. I love this. I love, I've spoke to my wife. We've discussed that, this is a bad text. I love this. I love it when you get caught. This is why I don't want any loosey goosey people

turning up on Facebook Marketplace. I love loosey goosey people. On Sunday. What are you dealing with? It's Rosie's stuff, isn't it? I can drive to the storage quicker. Sure, I had a lovely day on Sunday, though, when I took four people to storage, gave them all their stuff and left. I had a lovely morning.

Oh right, so you've got me, oh because you've got to drive down there. Because it's wild. I run Rob. Imagine buying a lamp off the internet and then as you wait outside the storage place, Josh Winnicol's running at you. It's totally normal. Being slappy converse feet. I'm not wearing fucking converse for running Rob.

Got some lovely free adidas off Karen Howe's husband. But it's good he's selling it is good. So how did it end with the airtasker man? I spoke to my wife and we've discussed that while the lamp is worth a lot of money, these things happen and it won't bring it back. So let's just quit while we're both behind. Why did you even bother messaging him? Because it was going on and I was like, let's just...

Right, okay. So what did he reply? I've ended it. Peace and love. Oh, why are you doing... What's going on here? Because I thought, let's just chill out. And did he reply to that? No. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You paid in money to do something that he's done and smashed a lamp? He's done the job. I think the lamp has fallen in the institute. I think it's been stacked badly and the lamp's fallen.

Well, you know what I mean, which is still their responsibility. But who cares at the end of the day? I think you do. No, I don't. That's the thing I think you do. at the end of the day. I think you do. No, I don't. That's the thing I think you do. I don't get it. You've got to let go. How much does the lamp worth?

400 quid. Now I do care. Rob, it's smashed. It's not going to bring it back. It's not going to bring it back. It's not going to bring it back. But his attitude annoyed me His attitude annoyed me. But if you know what Rob if that's why he's living his life. That's his problem

That's his piece of your John Lennon and Yoko in the bed. Well John Lennon was quite an angry man I'm more Was he? Yeah As opposed to us who are just carefree and fancy free. Carefree, fancy free. This friend, is number two of our McFly trilogy. And three, if you include Giovanna Fletcher. Three, if you include Giovanna Fletcher. That's like a spin-off. That's like the McFly cinematic universe, isn't it? The MCU. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills of Salt Lake City. Yeah.

The Real Housewives of Chiswick. We're talking absolute shite here. Here's Danny Jones. Here's Danny Jones. Welcome to the show. King of the jungle, currently king of the jungle still. Currently king for only a year, but it will be for I suppose this entirety as well, innit? You could go back in and defend your crown.

No one's ever done that, have they? That's a great shout. It's easy to become king of the jungle. Add some yogurt. Sorry, sorry, that was that. He just died of choking from yoghurt. He shouldn't have eaten the yoghurt before. He's a nightmare.

He's eating yoghurt. He had to move buildings because the house is getting sanded. But we've made it. Oh, you're renovating? Yeah, fuck. Say mate. Oh, it's a nightmare, isn't it? Is that why you went in the jungle?

To get money for the renovation? To get away from it. I have my kitchen done. Three weeks in the jungle is easier. They feed you. It's way easier, mate. jungle to get money for the renovation? To get away from it? Having my kitchen done three weeks in the jungle is easier. They feed you. It's way easier mate. In the jungle if people just are slightly more honest, they go why are you here? I've got a massive tax bill and she's left me. That's why I'm here. Give me the kangaroo dick. Let's get this done. Do you know what though? I left my wife to move. I just left my wife. I was gonna say it's an awkward exclusive. Yeah, what an exclusive.

What an exclusive. I left my wife to move house. So I'm surprised she's still with me to be honest, because she moved house all by herself. While you were in the jungle? Oh wow. Fuck yeah now mate. Yeah, carnage.

You know when you see your family in the jungle and you go through the trees and the palms and all that and they're there. I was just expecting a guy with a clipboard. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Did it go well? It depends. One of the trucks crashed and wrote itself off, damaging all of our... What? Yeah, all my golf clubs got snapped, my bikes, all the furniture got destroyed. How much of a crash to snap all the golf clubs?

Mate, you sure your wife didn't just stick all the golf clubs in one and say that one off, will you? Keep them at home. Keep them at home. No, mate, I got back and I went to grab me golf clubs and they were snapped in half. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna laugh. And they're, oh yeah, we've got to claim that

on the insurance with the house movers because they crashed the van. I'm literally probably moved about six minutes to drive away from where I was. So within that six minutes, the guys managed to crash right off a van. What kind of roads is in the six minutes? Like you six minutes have a motorway or are you six minutes?

20 miles an hour zones. 20 miles an hour. 20 miles an hour zones. Fuck it now. So the move was mixed. The move was mixed. Yeah. When I got back, my wife was like,

I just think I, she went, I think I need to go away to a hut myself for a few days. I went, I said, just go and take yourself away and have a few days. You know what it's like. She was overwhelmed. It got too much for her and I could see it in her. I was like, you just need to go away.

Yeah, because how was it away from them, like in the jungle? Because obviously it was very emotional when you got reunited with them. How did you find that? Do you know what, it was, everything's heightened because you're going through this crazy detox, not only food-wise, but like with your phone,

with work, with everything. Caffeine as well. Caffeine, yeah. Is there no caffeine? No caffeine. I stopped that two weeks before and I went on a bit of a more of a rice diet before just to prep myself a little bit.

Some people said that's completely pointless, but for me it just made me just prep a little bit better. Yeah, cause you did seem to be dealing with it a bit better than everyone else in the first couple of weeks. Do you think? Oh, thanks. You just look more measured and calm. And you look like you're really enjoying the rice. You just couldn't get enough of the rice. Different rice at home. But also as well, you've spoken about dealing with anxiety before as well,

you've done a lot of work on that. So I didn't know if that helped you being able to deal with that high pressure environment where some people that haven't dealt with that, it hit some quite strong early doors. Yeah, there's a few elements to it. Like when you first come in and you spend your first night there, bear in mind, you've done a week of like a lockdown with a chaperone before. It's about 25 days in total. Talk to me about this lockdown with a chaperone. Everyone knows you're doing it. Why do they even bother? Everyone knows in the paper who's doing it about a month before and then you've still got hired in a room for a week. I'm not telling anyone. I know. Oh, there we go. He said I was the second

best looking member in the band. After me. Josh, do you want to expand on this? Stand by it. I didn't say it was top. Are you kidding me? Are you telling me I'm after Harry? I know he's first Dougie. Yeah, but Dougie at the moment, I think it's that no kids. He's unbelievable, Dougie. You think it's Tom? No, not Tom. You think it's me? No, not you.

I'm not a friggin' answer. You can't just say that. You can't just walk in and go, you were second. Yeah, but we all know that Dougie looks unbelievable at the moment. Mainly kids we think. Yeah, you've crucially got to remember, we were under the impression you guys didn't get on and didn't talk to each other. We didn't think this would happen. We didn't think this would come back. Mate, Dougie's about 12. He doesn't count. We're the ones that have gotten the kids.

That's why you all look like shit. Yeah, no, it is true. It is true. No, I'd say Danny, you're looking good at the moment. I think actually now you two together, I'd say you take second off Harry potentially there. Oh, fuck off, Rob. You are such a sniveling little. Let me finish. That is unbelievable.

I'm just saying that's my opinion. I'm going to say it, Danny. I think it's better to be honest. You're not as good looking as your mates. No, he is your. That's what it is mate. It's just a type thing. No, no, no, no. I think you've got a seven year old and I have my youngest is seven. You can start to have a bit more time for yourself. Harry's still got younger ones that we're all aware that I think his wife does all the hard work with and he's still struggling a bit with sleep. I do think potentially when he has an older child he may overtake you again but I'd say you're in a current position. He's like Man City hitting a bad run of form,

you're Liverpool making the most of the opportunity. Yeah okay. Such a bad compliment. Do you want me to just say you're the best looking one? Duggee and Harry and Tom are all nothing compared to you Danny. No you don't need to say that, I like your honesty. Yeah. He just gets jealous that I can front the band and... Drums is replaceable really Yeah, exactly. He's fucking around at the back on drums. No one even notices him there. Yeah. Couple of one, two, three, fours, then he's off for a jog with Joel Dommet. You can get anyone to do that, can't you?

Get anyone in, get a session one in. So you, do you hang out there a lot there at Milkfly HQ? Yeah, mate, this is our studio and we made our, after COVID we bought this place and it was the best thing we ever did because- That's amazing. There's not many bands like, especially in pop, there's not many bands that have a space like this and we feel very lucky that we can- Yeah.

It's been important for our relationship. You're there nine to five every day? No, it's not a nine to five, it's more of a, do you feel like going in today? Yeah. How do you feel? Do you feel inspired? That's like me and you, Rob, isn't it? Yeah.

No, we churn it out however we feel. It's a weird one because normally you pay a lot for a studio and you go in there with these ideas, like acoustic songs maybe that are like half demoed up and then you have this pressure to be like, oh, we've got four weeks in the studio. Let's get it down. Whereas this place is more like,

we've got the freedom to take our time, which is kind of, sometimes we're a bit lazy with that and we're like, oh, we've got time here. Is there something about the deadlines that makes you make the album, whereas here and now you're just like... Yes, we have the deadline, but here we have the freedom because all of our gear, we've built it like, properly kitted it out. And it's just nice to have the freedom to be a band that could, for example, one of the first songs on the album started off as a jam in there. Now that would never happen in a studio because you go, we've got the demo in there, let's get the drums done. Whereas we went

in there and we just jammed it out and it's made us better in every way because that's what bands should do. They should go and jam and not get caught up with the technology of, oh, we could put the drums in after, just put the drums in last. You start with that and build it up. So yeah, it's been an amazing spot for us here. Most bands who, how long have you been going? 20 years now, more? 21. 21 years.

Yeah. Most bands hate each other within the first five years. Do you know what I mean? Each other for money, essentially, with the reunion tours, don't they? That's how it works. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly, that with each other once

every three to four years. You actually seem to really love each other and enjoy it. Yeah, we do, we've had our ups and downs, but we actually get on and I think that's what's amazing about music and being in a band is we might not have been friends if we didn't have that in common. We've all come from different areas and different schools and different backgrounds,

but the one thing that we've got in common is music and writing music. Me and Harry do. I know he's two time in me with Joe, but we do often hang out, go for runs and go to the gym. But he's got a new best friend. Running friend. Running friends. Me and Dougie, we ride motorbikes together because we were cool. You're the cool ones. You're probably the hardest one. You're the hard man in the band, aren't you?

Mate, I'm the hard northerner, yeah. They don't mess with me. Joel Dommet's just got a motorbike and him and Dougie have been going out together quite a lot, actually. Mate, don't break my heart. I was with Joel on Friday. He didn't tell me. What, were you using the side call. This episode is brought to you by Samsung Galaxy. Ever captured a great night video only for it to be ruined by that one noisy talker? With audio erase on the new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, you can reduce or remove unwanted noise and relive your favorite moments without the distractions. And that's not all.

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It's like a little enclave of smiley West London boys, you guys all hanging out on motorbikes and cycling. It is a bit weird, isn't it? Must admit, it is a bit weird. It's nice. All nice guys though. If Joel said, can I come down and maybe lay on some backing vocals to the new Motorfly album?

Yeah. Would you let him? No. It's a good decision. I mean, there's auto-tune these days. You can do a lot with autotune. There are computers that can help with that. I've actually sung with Joel recently on the Ma Singa final.

He was half decent to be fair. Was he? Yeah. Oh, you did Ma Singa as well, didn't you? Yeah, I did the Ma Singa. Yeah. Piranha I was. Did you do the Ma Singa?

Yeah. People thought I was Piranha because of the teeth. Yeah, I got similar teeth. How much were yours? Mine weren't. Mine are real actually. Are they? Yeah. Believe it or not thought I was piranha because of the teeth. Yeah, I got similar teeth. How much were yours? Mine weren't, mine are real actually. Are they? Yeah, believe it or not, I've still got braces on the back. Are they all real?

Wow, they're great set. So do you get loads of teeth band that will grind up? Were they always that big? No, they got bigger because I've had, I think four sets of braces. Yeah. And when you have braces, your gums go higher and higher because your teeth are moving.

So my gums are quite high, that's why they're big. But I know when I was playing football, which I don't now unfortunately, but I'm playing my Saturday league football, I used to get called turkey teeth on the side. Come on turkey teeth, oh come on mate, they're real. I was like they're real, come on. So let's talk about parenting.

I suppose we should. How old's your kid, did you say seven? Little boy's just turned seven in January, yeah. Are you in quite a nice situation now? Seven year old, is it quite chilled? Is it quite relaxed? It is and it isn't because I think only having one, I see Harry with three and Tom with three,

and I see myself with one, and it doesn't make it any easier just having one. And you, cause you haven't got like a sibling to hang with or play with, so you're all quite involved as a parent with the games and doing stuff. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly that. And it's daddy, watch this. Mommy, watch this. Come here. Can you saw this out? Yes, mate.

No problem. And you're forever saying one sec, one sec. Yeah. Then when you ask him to do something, he goes, yeah, one sec. My daughter and my son will go upstairs and choose a football to mock each other at the game, but you haven't got that on you. We don't have that. No. And I think we're done with one as well. Really? Do you?

Yeah, I think we are. We actually found it harder than we thought we would. We'd be like, let's move to the country and have two, three. And now we're still very much in London with one kid and it seems like it's going that way. And you know what it's like, it's just trying to balance everything. And I'm not very good at that.

When I have one big thing to concentrate on, everything else is out the window. So I've got a tour coming up and that's all I can think about. Or I've got the show coming up and I'm very much focused on it. And I think you feel like, it's a strange thing.

Obviously we get satisfaction, just like my wife does as she goes out and works and you get satisfaction. And part of living is your career. And I find it really hard, because at first I was like, I need to go out and works and you get satisfaction and part of living is your career. And I find it really hard because at first I was like, I need to go out and provide and make sure the house is started. Whereas really I just needed to chill out and be at home and be a dad. And that's what I've learned.

The biggest thing and coming out of the jungle, time is everything. And I still struggle. I still really struggle to enjoy my time because there's always someone that gets in the way with everyday life. I don't know if you find that, but there's no time. So what at the moment would you say then if like your son goes, dad, can we go and do this out of nowhere, spur of the moment,

go to the park or whatever, and you would probably do it, but is there something that you're like, what at the moment is your thing that's like dragging you towards one goal as opposed to relaxing and doing a lot of stuff at once? I'm very good at giving stuff spontaneously. Let's go for a bite right, let's do this.

Great, no problem. But it's when I get working through half time was hard. I'm very good at giving stuff spontaneously. It's gone for a bite right? Let's do this. Great. No problem. But it's when I get working through half term was hard. I should have just not worked. Yeah. Yeah. But it's difficult.

It's hard. It's really difficult. But then you're basically going, I can only work 38 weeks a year. Do you know what I mean? You're suddenly going, I can only work six weeks and then I have to, I'm like living school terms, which is a big thing to cut into your work. Do you know what I mean? So sometimes you do have to work.

Of course you do, and so does everybody else. And the thing is, we are terrible. And me and George will both admit it, but forward planning. So I'm like, I've got a Saturday with him or a day free, and I'm going, the morning of that day, I'm going, what should we do today? Everything's booked up, everything you can't get in.

There's no way we can get, so I'm trying to think of these ideas, but I'm already too late. Yeah, you've got to be prepared. And then I get annoyed at myself, and I'm like, oh my God, I'm annoyed at myself. And then I'm in a bad mood in front of my son, and I see him on his switch like that, like, like, mate, get something out.

And then he's going, but dad, there's nothing to do because I think everything's booked up, we're not going anywhere. Yeah, and I'm going, but dad, there's nothing to do because I think everything's booked up and not going anywhere. Yeah. And I'm going, I know. And I messed up, but I'm sorry. I find it quite interesting, especially when you spoke about anxiety before and me and Josh both struggle with that at points. So did you deal with that before having kids or did that come after having your son?

I think what I've learned personally, and I don't know how it relates to anybody else, but I tried to deal with it as much as I could, professionally and in the right ways, and podcasts massively helped me, just feeling a little less lonely and relating to people of similar mindset and stuff like that. But what I've realized is that I'm still a work in progress.

Yeah. Yeah. And it's all right to be a work in progress. I often say, you don't just go to therapy, you speak to somebody and you come out and everything's all right. It's like, you're gonna break your wrist again, you're gonna have to go again, you're gonna have to work on it, you're gonna have to have physio on that muscle, whatever.

It's the same thing, a work in progress is okay. And what I've learned over my time is that there are different forms of anxieties and stresses and all of that, and it's just managing it and realizing what it is when it hits and controlling yourself when you're getting stressed and doing the things to stop that environment from happening or create an environment for yourself which lowers all of that. And that's what I try to do now.

Coming out of the jungle I've still got stuff that I've realized I need to work on which is one of them is understanding my emotions. Say on Father's Day, I know why I'm in a bad mood, but it shouldn't affect me that much that it affects me with my son. I should be going, this is me on my boy's day, come on. Whereas I'm annoyed at myself for being annoyed. And then I don't understand this horrible emotion that takes over my whole body that comes from being a 16, 17 year old that's just caught up with me again.

It's those things I can't explain because the anxiety is pretty much gone nowadays. It's more of these emotions that come out of nowhere that are still inside. Yeah. They're called pain bodies where little things affected you from a long time ago. They creep up when certain situations happen. I know it's in the press a lot, which wants to be difficult for you, but your relationship with your dad isn't ideal. And all that is across the pages again, when you're in the jungle, because the jungle is a big show and it's all dredged up. And then obviously you've got your son who's going, happy Father's Day dad. And then you automatically think of you as a child with your dad on Father's Day and how that affects you. And then it all comes out. And then the one who's getting the brunt of it is you and then your son. And then then you beat yourself up even more because you're like,

he don't deserve this emotion to be near him but there's not much I can do about it but it can come out of nowhere at any time. Exactly, but the problem with that is then you think negatively about yourself. You're thinking, why I'm in this mood? I'm silly, I'm stupid, I'm this and that. And I've never heard that in a voice.

I just know it's always been there. Cause I get annoyed at myself. I'm like, get this horrible feeling off your chest, but I don't know what it is. So yeah, it's just managing all of that, to be honest with you, nowadays. Yeah. So what techniques do you use to try

and get out of that negative head space, Danny? Have you got, go for a run, be on your own for a bit, or go out and do stuff, or? Since Joel Domit turned up. Yeah, not now Joel Domit's here. Ha ha ha ha ha. For me, nowadays, it's just that hour in the morning to go and either do some sort of exercise,

whether it's a walk, whether it's a run, whether it's going to the gym. And I try and eat well Monday to Friday, so I feel good. I think for me going to the gym, and I don't go crazy in there, I have maybe goals throughout the year, or I need to be alright for this, but for me it's, instead of it becoming a chore

and going, I've got five weeks to get fit for this show, it's more of maintaining, it's creating a lifestyle out of it rather than a chore. It's like, my hour to myself is non-negotiable, I drop my boy off at school, and I go to the gym, everybody knows that I start work after the gym because one, I can do way better work, my brain is more focused, I'm more patient, I'm happier,

I've got the right chemicals going around my body that stop that and you know what it's like, I've sat around in the morning, not done anything. Looked at your phone. At a really shitty breakfast, looked at my phone for an hour and then I can't even feel human. Yeah, you need to build a McFly gym attached to the studio. That'd be cool.

But then you'd have to see them, I suppose. That's the thing. Yeah, but you don't want to do everything together, do you? No. I mean, next we'll just be sleeping together. You're all so good looking, apart from one of you. I'm joking. And so with that, are you honest with your son about these things? He's seven.

At what age do you start saying, I have suffered with this or I feel like these things and like, or how do you deal with that? Or do you want to insulate him from it? Because I don't know what the, it's a difficult decision, right? It is, Josh, yeah. It's funny, last night I had a word with him because he was, I don't know how Yokey's feel about it,

but they felt a bit nervous about going to school on a Monday, especially after half term. Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah. He's like, I've got these nervous feelings in my tummy and you know what it's like, bedtime is your knackered, the dinner's on and you're trying to have this, okay, what do I say to my son right now?

Some sense and stick with him for the rest of his life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my brain is just not working. I'm just going, okay son, and I'm trying to fill it out as best I can. But it's funny, last night I just said to him, it's all right to have those feelings, it's okay. I said, all of your friends

have probably got the same feelings. I said, but once you see each other tomorrow morning at school, you will forget it like that. And it led onto this little journey of making mistakes and being wrong is all right, as long as you tell the truth and be okay with being wrong. It went on to this thing of, I said, Cooper, it shows real strength for you to say that you're wrong

or say that you're not feeling okay. Mummy and Daddy have learned so much more from doing wrong, making mistakes, than we have ever winning anything or getting an award or whatever it is. And he's looking at me like this and he's going, and it's the first time he's never called me back into the room, so I was like, I think I've had him back tonight.

Come on. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah, it was a great feeling last night. That's a great feeling. It was. And you never know where the line is. I don't know where the line is to say, I've never really said to him,

look, I'm struggling at the minute. I've not been that present with it, but I've said, look, in the past, I've had nervous feelings. And sometimes it's excitement rather than nerves because the two are very close and I'm just trying to explain that it's okay. Yeah, you don't want to put pressure on him like he needs to make you happy. I think it puts too much pressure on them with a young mind to go well I'll make daddy, you know, it's not their responsibility to make you feel better but I do think sharing your vulnerabilities with him

when you go like sometimes people aren't very nice to me at work and I feel a bit left out or it didn't go well. And they're like, what? Yeah. They just can't imagine that their mum or dad, they just think you're the grownups and you're a superhero. But. And then you start showing them old episodes of Mock the Week and you point out when people are like, no, laughing jokes, stuff like that. But it is that thing, isn't it?

I feel like you're very lucky that you have good fun with Mummy and Daddy. Eight, half term, really fun and you don't want to leave and we did some cool things. And I said, but mommy and daddy need to go to work and we have these feelings. And like you said, he was like, oh, okay, yeah. Yeah. And I think it just made him not feel on his own. Like you said, he doesn't have any siblings to share it with.

So we have to do it. I think there's a thing like generationally, our generation's parents are much more aware that it's much better to be honest about kind of negatives or worries or apologize when you've done something than go life is fine. Yeah, just get on with it. You've got a nice school. I didn't even like my school. That was a random example Rob's given just from nowhere. I think life has got so overstimulating now as well.

I noticed it straight away coming out of the jungle. I've been in this place where life has been so simple. We've been a tribe for 25 days and all I needed to concentrate on was there was a fire, there was water, there was food and the camp was clean. And then you come back into life and you realise how much distraction, overwhelming, like feelings that you have. Like everything is just too much. I've got to be there.

I've not got back to that person. I've got this, I've got that, I've got that. I don't know how you guys feel, but I'm forever chasing life. Yeah, 100%. I'm always behind. Even in here now, I know that my phone's gone off and there's probably an email from the accountant that wants some sort of information on a receipt or a payment. I've got to get back at three o'clock for this. Your head's just constantly worrying about a thousand things. And you've got to eat well. I've got to do a podcast with Giles Brandwith at 1.30 and then I'm going to Hereford. That isn't a way to live. Sorry, you're a 63 year old woman called Jean.

You've got a talk tour showing Hereford? I'm being interviewed by Giles Brandreth and then I'm going to Hereford and then I'm getting driven back from Hereford and then I'm getting up to do the school run and you're like, it's fine and it's all great and I like all the things I'm doing. I loved Giles Brandreth. You don't like going to Hereford though, not Hereford, it's too far. I like doing stand up though and I really enjoy the training. I actually enjoy the train. I actually enjoy sitting on my own in the car on the way back, like being driven back and going,

this is my time on my own. All those things individually I love, but it's the racking and stacking of stuff where there's no gap that makes you go. This is difficult. And then with kids, my daughter needs an outfit to be an Arabian street trader for the Aladdin musical, as well as a sari for India day. And I'm like, when the fuck am I going to pick that up? Without being culturally intensive? Yeah, exactly. I'm Bobby White Boy wandering around trying to find a sari that's not offensive, but too scared to ask an Indian person I know in case it's racist. You think I'm going to know about saris? I assumed yes. Sorry.

you think I'm gonna know about sorrys? I assumed yes. Sorry. Have you found then you've learned stuff and changed it or have you found it's almost impossible not to just click back into the ways that we live? I've definitely learned that time with my son is more important than anything. Yeah. And being there for him and being present and being there when he needs that emotional support, just like last night, I do find myself slipping back into ways of, oh, it's bedtime, get to bed, clean your teeth, mate.

Like, dinner's on, I'm trying to cook for mummy and I've gotta be, yeah. And it does get a lot and we're all the same, but some nights I'm better than others. Some nights I'm nailing life and nailing bedtime and I'm like, yeah, we can do a story, mate, no problem, what do you want? Or yeah, you can do some Lego before you go to bed

because we are on time tonight, mate. The best thing I've learned is just time is hard to find, but when you do find it, it's really nice and enjoying that time because the amount of times I've been with him, not that I've not enjoyed it, but where I've been distracted. Someone else needs my attention or needs an answer or needs something else.

And I think that's really important. And he notices it, he's like, daddy, daddy. And I'm like, yeah, one sec. Yeah, get off your foot, yeah. One sec, mate, I'll be with you in a sec. I just need to do this. I just need to be like, that can wait.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm not working right now. This is more important. But sometimes you're ordering them a takeaway for dinner they've asked for, and they go, get off your phone. I'm like, I'm still fucking ordering your dinner. This is literally for you.

Yeah. That's it. I'm not scrolling. Give me a minute. This is your dinner, mate. But that's why stress comes from not being able to be somewhere else. You want to be downstairs doing dinner and getting yourself ready for the next day of work or whatever, but they're going to sit with me for a bit. And that's stress because I need to be down there doing that. But now I'm up here, but I can't go down there because they'll get upset. What I tried to do is just accept it and but now I'm up here, but I can't go down there because they'll get upset.

What I try to do is just accept it and go, I'm just accepting now that I might have to lay here for an hour. And then that way it takes the pressure off slightly, whereas if you're constantly going, yeah, but I need to do it, sometimes you can't. Another element to add to it as well is that it's mine and George's time, that it's not in our adult time, and that's where our relationship can blossom a bit

and watch something together on Netflix or have dinner together and because those times you don't get, you don't get them at weekends. It's a nice time to just sit down and have dinner with my wife and be like, how was your day? But then you get in constantly, mommy can have a cuddle, daddy can have a... and it's through dinner all the time and you know what it's like, it's difficult to balance it all. People go, you've got to make sure you get date nights. I'm like I could just have a date 20 minutes. Yeah. Where there's not a child like asking for something. The other thing with date nights is there's too much pressure. Do you know what I mean? There's this

feeling of I just want some normal time. I don't need to be like going I'll show you the tasting manual. Then feeling fucking knackered before the pudding and then massive pop call at a cinema because it's date night. I just want to watch the fucking Pamela Anderson documentary on Netflix with my wife or the Robbie Williams documentary or the boy bands in silence. Yeah, in silence and both be separate on our phones ignoring each other. That's all I ask to keep our relationship going. It's not much to keep the spark alive. It's not much is it to ask for? Hahahaha! We all have our ways mate. We all have our ways.

Are you taking him on tour? On tour? Yeah, you're doing the Muck Bastard Tour. Yeah we are, we've got the whole Versus Tour and it's hard on tour because obviously you can't really take him out of school. Is it during school time? Some of it will be. There's special occasions if we're playing like a London show

where he will come for the night and he'll have the morning off school. Most of the time he gets to hang out with the other kids. It's a good learning thing for him because he sees how it all works behind the scenes and he comes earlier to sound check and he might have a little go on the guitar and feel it out in the arena. And it's a cool experience for him. So I always say it's quite educational coming to work with daddy for him as well He gets to hang out with the kids and I think it's important to keep that going because it's when we don't see each other as a Band it's hard to hang out with the kids because We never ever you know what blokes are like we never organized anything No, yeah, the last time me and Harry tried to take the kids rock climbing at the day and this mate Fancy rock climbing. Yeah. Yeah, when do you wanna do it? It was down there with Joel last week, I think. It was down there with Joel, was it? Yeah, rock climbing.

Yeah, nice one. They do bouldering a bit harder actually. Lou does all the organizing and socializing and got other kids and stuff like that. But I'll have them for the whole weekend, but I'll just do stuff just me and them. I just quite like hanging out with them. Mate, the thought as well. Because you end up just chatting to the dad or the mom and not your kids. Exactly. Yeah, I'm like, I want to chat to my kids because if I go with another family, they run off with the kids and I'm sat to the parent,

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Visit the Tim's app for details. Can we talk to you about World Book Day? Because World Book Day is a big day for parents. Mate, and we always forget. But you're doing something special for World Book Day this year. It's pretty cool. And it was like last night when we put Cooper to bed and it's that thing of like, when do you read to your kids?

Because I don't do it in the day. No. Yeah. Yeah. And it's always thing of like, when do you read to your kids? Because I don't do it in the day. Yeah. Yeah. And it's always the nighttime thing. And he's knackered and he just wants to shut his eyes and be read to. I'm like, okay, I'll read to you. So he's trying to find that time of, is it six o'clock bath time, half six read time,

then seven o'clock bed, but it never works that way. So we've actually started making up some stories and he asked me to make up some songs and honestly, test the brain at that time. Yeah. I am the world's worst songwriter at that way. So we've actually started making up some stories and he asked me to make up some songs and honestly it tests the brain at that time. I am the world's worst songwriter at that time but it makes him laugh and this is what it's about and for World Book Day I did this cool thing with Matt Donalds where we read this book together called You Choose and it's already his favourite book. Is that the Nick Sharrett book?

Yes, you choose your characters and your ending and whatever. Yeah I love those. My kids love those books. And it so happens, he loves that book, loves it. And it's just giving him a choice of like, where he wants to go, what character, and the stuff he picks out, choosing his family. I've not told his granddad which one he picks out for him yet

because it's hilarious, the character he picks out. When I heard the stats, like they give out 160 million books, it's insane. So all they need to do is head down to McDonald's on World Book Day and they get a free book with a Happy Meal. Cooper was loving life when he got a Happy Meal. He's never had one before. So when he had it, it blew his mind. Really? First one? First one, mate, yeah.

I gave your kids their first Happy Meal, didn't I, Josh, at my house. Loved it. My daughter lives on ships, to be honest. She finds burgers even a bit much. That's how bland her palate is. Aved it. My daughter lives on chips, to be honest. She finds burgers even, a bit much. That's how bland her palate is. A bit much. Really? My little boys, he asked for just a plain burger and he didn't even touch the chips.

He had plain burger and nuggets. My daughter goes on the machine and then takes out all the sauce. You what? And you can do that, because you can customize it on the screen. She takes out the onions and mustard. When you said that,

I thought they were letting her backstage to the kitchen bit. Goes on the machine and takes out all the sauce. Oh no, on her birthday. No, just on the ordering thing, the menu thing. Are your kids good readers? My daughter's just got into it, right? So she's never been that fast. And then she's just found these books by

a woman called Harriet Munkaster that are like Isadora Moon. I think that's one of them and Mirabelle and stuff. She'll just go off and read. Really? That's amazing. How old is she? She's seven. This literally happened in the last couple of weeks where she'll just go upstairs and read. And it's so good in terms of calming and chilling out. You know how you're saying about your son saying like, just one sec, she's obviously picked so many things up from me saying like, I just need some time on my own,

or I just need to chill out on my, all those kinds of things that you say as an adult. She's got all of those things in her locker about, I just need some time without anyone else, and all that kind of stuff. And so it's really good in that sense, encouraging kids. My daughters love all the dog man books. Oh, yeah. And that's a really good film, actually.

They're huge, aren't they? That's a good film. We went to watch that the other day. Brilliant. It's really funny. Yeah. I loved it. Really good. Really good. The animation's amazing. I'm sick to death of these films where it's massive moral. Fuck off. Show me a dog flying a spaceship. Do you know what I mean?

Let's chill out a bit. We get it, but let's have a bit of fun as well. That was brilliant. Mate, I loved it. And you know what? Cooper did not move through the whole thing. He was fascinated by it. And kids' imaginations are amazing.

And that's why books are so important, right? I've actually been doing this thing with Cooper where the you choose things amazing because he gets to choose what he wants to do. But I've been doing this thing with Cooper where the you choose things amazing because he gets to choose what he wants to do. But I've been doing this thing as well where because he's been a bit nervous about something like he started go karting or he stopped football and these are big decisions for him.

Okay, if you want to stop, because as a parent as well, I'm like, where do you push and go, no, you're going to football. This is strict daddy. I want you to play football. I love playing football every second of every day. That's all I wanted to do.

The thought of a child, I would be told off for playing. It'd be like, you've got to come in now and I'll be playing. But now when your kid goes to every one to do it, you're like, what the fuck? Exactly the same. And I'm like, I'll buy you boots, get a full kit if you want. And they're like, nah. Yeah, and I'm like, what?

Got him proper boots, got him everything. Anyways, I just want to do two things. I think he's finding all these classes overwhelming because he does gymnastics and he does some after school clubs. So I started doing these little made up, I was like, I said, you just relax, right? Relax.

And I do these little stories to him and he decides the title. So we'll go blah, blah, blah, blah, and the blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go, okay, so I've got to make it up. But what's amazing about it and what I try to do is, for example, on holiday, he went down a slide, he tried this big slide on holiday,

but his goggles fell off at the end, and he started crying, I don't want to go on the slide ever again, so here we go. On holiday, I go blah, blah, blah, and I make this character up, and I go, and they went up the slide, and they went down, and they were absolutely fine, and they did it again, and everyone was really impressed. And I try and and they went up the slide and they went down and they were absolutely fine and they did it again and everyone was really impressed. And I try and come out with these scenarios that someone's been in a bad situation, but there's an amazing situation at the end and they feel so proud of themselves.

Anyways, back up on the slide, a lovely life and these little stories. Yeah, yeah. He said to me, go to him, Cooper, you'll be fine. Get up there again. Don't be. I tried to put it in these stories and it's almost like he's analysing his day and going, oh, maybe if daddy's character in the book, he's doing that. And he's brave enough to do it. But really the stories are all about his life, and Cooper's life.

And he's starting to clock on now, cause I'll go, oh, okay. There was a nice young man. He was always polite, always smiling. And today he didn't want to eat his broccoli. And he'll go, daddy, that was me. And his dad keeps making up these stories. Yeah, these stories, right?

I think they're really communicating to him in a way that's more fun and a bit more of his imagination. Humans process everything as a story. Do you know what I mean? Everything you do, you make into a story and that's how you understand, if you think about football, the Premier League, all that is is stories, do you know what you understand. If you think about football, the Premier League,

all that is stories, do you know what I mean? Or you think about your life, you are the hero within a story and you've got to overcome these things and all that kind of stuff. And it makes so much sense for kids to respond to stories and learn about the world through them rather than just sitting them there and going, it is good to do something to overcome your fear. They're like, that's a vague concept they can't understand, but when it's placed as a story, they totally get it. And it's the same with adults.

Absolutely. We had this story the other day that was like the guitar that never got played. And it was at the time where he was trying to learn guitar, but he wouldn't listen to me. He's like, daddy, I want to do it my way. It's my thing. You want to listen to me? The strings have got to be facing outwards, Cooper.

Yeah, you got it the wrong way, mate. You don't blow it. I came up with this story where it was all these nice feelings once he worked on it, this character. And cut a long story short, he's at the end of his bed now playing his guitar. And I got him these headphones where he can hear it and he's learned it and I'll show him these riffs and I think that made up story. Yeah.

Has just talked to him in a way that I couldn't have. Totally. Because it's made a concept that is annoying or something my dad's trying to tell me or not make me do or whatever. Do you know what I mean? It's made sense to him. It's easier to consume. It also feels like he's not being forced to do it in a way, but he's... That is the whole key to parenting, isn't it? Trying to offer your children advice and guidance that they'll take without feeling like they're being told off or pushed in a certain way.

And it's like the most hardest, delicate thing to do because when our kids get to 18, 19, 20 and they fall in love or something with someone that's totally unsuitable and you just know it's first puppy love and they're coming upset and absolutely distraught and inside just half laughing going you won't give a shit about this person in about four weeks but at the moment it feels like the most horrific thing ever. I'm delighted that they're no longer on the scene if I'm honest with you. Exactly so it's like managing to deal with all that, but without getting on their nerves or being overly protective or not caring enough, it's that balance. It's almost impossible.

And like you say, they keep getting older, so they get wise to it. So you got to constantly change tact. It's so true. It's funny, isn't it? Because he just wouldn't learn from me. No, he didn't understand that even though what I do is this, daddy, no, I want to do it my way. But if someone else told him.

I think it's very difficult for parents to be in the teacher role. I find that incredibly difficult. My daughter just tries to resist that. Whereas if my mother-in-law was doing arts and crafts and said, why don't you try it this way? She's a hundred percent listened. But if I said it, there's just something about it. Yeah. It's impossible to get them to do their homework as the parent. They don't want you to be telling them that kind of stuff. I've got no idea how my dad got me. He taught me to drive.

And now I think, like, how the fuck did he manage to do that? Because that's a 17 year old being told what to do by their dad. No, I couldn't have my dad teach me to drive. But then we have a babysitter that does like Mondays and Tuesdays, comes in, does a couple of hours, because we've been working those days when I'm not there. And she's been doing the homework with the kids. And we're like, do you mind doing the homework? She went, honestly, my own children, the worst thing that ever happened, it's actually fine with the kids. They're listening to me and we're getting it done. And it gives you something

to do when we first get home. So I can say, do that. And then you can watch a bit of telly. But for me and Louis, I literally can't't do it I'm terribly academically terrible so I literally can't do I was actually making their homework worse by helping so it's like Lou does it I just don't and then sometimes if it's difficult Lou goes I don't really understand this and I just say tell them that we don't know how to tell them how to do it and Then they can either tell them a lunch or that well we just leave that bit Yeah, I mean, it's like they're going to the school. It's not my responsibility to educate my children. It's the school's.

My hands are tired here. I get in this position where my daughter will go, but I want to be able to do it. I don't want to go in and you're like, I don't know what I can do to help you here because I don't understand subtraction in the way that I thought I understood it. It does show you up, doesn't it? I started saying to my little boy more recently is that, cause he doesn't know what he wants to be,

he's too young, whatever. He's like, I said, don't worry about what you want to be, mate. I said, you're good at this, you're good at that. And I was bigging him up and he's amazing at Lego, like a master at Lego. He's just built the big F1 car, the 18 plus all by himself, did it in a week. Oh wow, that's hard.

Wow. He's like next level, but what's amazing about it is it can break and he knows how to fix it without the instructions. So he's very methodical, very good at hands-on and very capable. I always say to my boys, I wish someone said this to me at school, I knew I wanted to be a guitarist.

But then I didn't know whether I wanted to be a singer, but definitely a guitarist in a band. And if my English teacher said, I'm reading this book and I don't get it, I don't connect with it. And there's those kids out there everywhere. If the teacher just said to me, listen, if you wanna write songs every day,

you're gonna have to learn poetry, you're gonna have to understand how to write like this. And I'd have gone, okay, cool. If my science teacher would have gone to me, mate, if you wanna build this studio and your maths teacher went to me, if you wanna understand sound waves and hertz and delay times and ratios and all that, I'd have gone boom, science and math, I get it now. But I didn't have that excitement in my brain to get me through

those lessons, I was just thinking why do I need to learn this? I had no relatable subject to attach it to and I keep trying to do that with my boy, I'm like, if you want to build your own car or maybe he's really into gaming, I'm like, if you want to build your own car or maybe he's really into gaming. So I said, if you want to design your own game or your own simulator, or if you want to understand aerodynamics on race cars, cause he's into racing. I said, you need to learn maths and science and English.

I'm just trying to get his imagination going with it. Cause at least he can apply that and understand why he's learning these pretty boring subjects. Do you know what? You'd have been one of those inspiring teachers. It's a shame that you ended up in a billion selling a rock band because you'd have been an incredible primary school teacher. Thank you. You're wasted as a superstar.

I think it is important, just to reiterate your point, that your teachers are kind of your first, I think these are pretty influential people. I remember some of my teachers being more influential than my parents would have been probably. But I think it's key to have these characters in life and these mentors and these teachers that they play a massive role in the development of your child, like massive. And affects the whole of society on top of that. Because all these children are going to be adults at some point. Yeah.

That are either going to be lost or found or inspired or uninspired and stuff. I'd quite like to be a teacher actually. Retrained. It's not too late. It's not too late. You've got shares in the studio. You'll still see some money from that. The problem is I've learned everything after school.

Yeah. I never learned anything in school. I learned it all afterwards. Yeah, you turn up and go, don't worry about this. You'll find it out. Yeah. You'll work out hurts when you need them. Yeah, you'll figure it out. Also mortgages, you'll learn about it a bit. Don't worry about that.

Make sure you get insurance when you move it out. That's all you'll need. Yeah, just make sure they don't crash. Do you want to ask Danny the final question, Josh? Should we wrap? Yes. What we like to end with is, can you rank your bandmates in who's your favorite to least favorite? I could do that for you. For god's sake don't answer that. It could be the end of the band. So we want one thing that your wife does as a mother that is incredible that makes you go,

I can't believe she's done that. For instance, move house while I'm in Australia. And one thing that annoys you about her, that you haven't brought up, but possibly if she was listening to this, she might go, actually, do you know what? He has got a point about that. Maybe mine a piece of parenting. Yeah, moving house on her own is absolute god tier.

Yeah. It is god tier. I actually moved house when Lou was away at Center Parks with the kids on my own. Did you? Respect, yeah. It's god tier. Did you get people in to pack the stuff kids on my own. Did you? Respect, yeah. Just got to. Did you get people in to pack the stuff, Rob? Absolutely.

Do you think I'm doing that? It's fucking Norwich that night, I think. Who moves a fucking house on their own? It's still stressful even with people moving it. She's amazing at like making life less complicated. Yeah. Somehow she will make my life less complicated and just talk to me. And the other thing is she's amazing at being patient with Cooper and so loving and open,

and she gets him to talk, where I'm very hands-on and cuddly and all that, but I can't get, oh no, what do I say? I get stuck with what to say sometimes, where she knows exactly, and I suppose that annoys me actually because she's so good at that. She's so good at looking good, I wish I could be like that with him. She's so patient, so loving, I'm a bit more strict so I'd be like, Cooper, it's adult time now, stop asking us in your room for example. And she'll go he just wants a cuddle and I go oh he just wants a cuddle if you're guilty or not he's so guilty I'm so oh god so yeah balancing the strictness she's amazing at that and I think she's amazing in every way to be

honest but yeah as much as she's amazing in that sense it annoys me that she's so good yeah because I feel pathetic on the outside. And one more time, how do people get the You Choose book on World Book Day? Oh, March the 6th is World Book Day. March the 6th? Yeah, and just go to a McDonald's restaurant and get a happy meal and get a free book. You get a token as well to other shops around the country, Waterstones and stuff, you get a token to pick up another free book, which is great.

I wish I had that as a kid because I never, ever went to the library. If I'd had you choosing my life, it'd probably be a better reader now because it's an amazing book. But I'm not a good reader. I never was a good reader. I've just started reading. And literally my wife laughed at me last night because I put a reading light on and started reading my book. And she looks at me like, what's going on here? I'm just reading. Catching up with your son. I'm just catching up with my son.

She just went, I can't do this. She couldn't read a book next to me reading a book, but she could scroll on a book. She went, yeah, I can't read a book next year. It's too weird. It does make you both feel really old, didn't it? Both reading a book. It's so old, though. Danny, thank you very much.

You've been brilliant. I've just been a joy. Thank you. You are an inspiring teacher. We've had some really great conversations there. And on top of that, we know what all the light of the band and that's good that you've told us who your favorites are. I'm just disappointed that I had sloppy seconds to Harry Judd. Can't believe that. Well, it seems the fucking warm up. He's a support act. Yeah. You're the headliner mate. Yes. Does she bring you coffee in the morning? No, she brings me a lemongrass and ginger

teammate fucking changed. Okay, these look fly boys. What life are they living? No wonder you didn't care about living on rice. Your life's absolutely desperate at the point of living in London. Honestly though, I've not drank coffee since coming out of the jungle. I'm all about a pot of tea now. It's like I've gone back to my roots. Cup of tea and a booking bed. Oh, it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it?

Good luck on your rock and roll tour. Danny Jones, he's 70 years old, it's good to get him before he dies. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Do you know what I had? No, don't go yet, wait a second. I had a night, I went to see a friend the other night, and we were up till 3 a.m. and it's completely wrecked me. I've not done that for years. It's done me in.

Don't try me cool now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See you later, mate. Thanks. Cheers, mate. Danny Jones. Love Danny Jones. Great laughter. We're slowly collecting McFly. Slowly collecting them like little holiday mementos. Pinning them to a board like a butterfly.

Tom should be gettable. We've had Tom's wife. Does that count? Yeah, not really. No. We need McFly and partners as the full set. Because Harry's wife has written a book about parenting. So she should come on. And then we can get to the nub of why McFly's wives keep bringing

them tea and coffee in the morning. The McFlyves. The McFlyves. Good stuff. Okay. I like that. I hope you enjoyed that, Josh. Josh, I'll see you next time. It was worth waiting for the outro. Oh, absolutely.