Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S10 EP21: Opinion Juice

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Willicombe. Welcome to Parenting Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So to make ourselves and hopefully you feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern day parenting, each week we'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping. Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with advice and of course tales of parenting woe. Because let's be

honest there are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing. Hello you're listening to can you see Rob Beckett and can you see Josh Widdicombe? There we go. That was solid. That was Chloe Lawson. Go on Chloe. H3, trying to say your names. I've listened to the podcast from the very beginning. I was one of those listeners who had no children at the time. Oh my god, kill me. For some mad reason, it made me very, very broody. I now have a seven and a nine year old. No, I now have two children, our youngest being Kobe, who is nine months old. And then there's Chloe. Kobe and Chloe. What do you think of these people that go with similar names? I think Chloe and Kobe sound similar, but I think they're very different. Do you know what that is?

That strikes me as... It's not spelled like Kobe Bryant, it's spelled C-O-B-Y. Is that how you spell Kobe? I think there was a footballer in the 90s called Kobe Jones, Michael would be able to confirm, but I think he was C-O-B-I. Yeah, I think he had an I. Yeah, I've never seen Kobe spelled like a Cody. Do you know what that smells off? That smells off. What should we call our first born? Stick with Chloe because we're quite a normal, our parents are quite normal. I like the name. No, we can't. And then you add one and you go, let's go for it. Let's go for a slightly off center name and spell it our own way. I regret, I regret being so pedestrian with our first name. That's not me.

I'm saying that I'm, that's them. They. Okay. He's being quite defensive. What's wrong with your daughter's name? I think Adolfina is a bit different actually. Not in the groups I hang out in. I think Josephine is Stalin. hang out in. I think Josephine is Stalin. Widdicombe is a wonderful name for young ladies. Do you know what? Keep the dream alive.

Can you hear my children in the background by the way, it's bank holiday Monday. My children are laughing and giggling. Cause I'm such a great parent. They're just loving life. Yeah. They're enjoying their iPads. And then I'll finish this and go, all right, give me the iPads. And they'll scream, cry and go, no. And then we'll have an awful time at a garden centre. And then you'll give them the iPads back. Yeah.

And then at about nine o'clock when they're not asleep, we go, we gave them the iPad too late, didn't we? Yeah. And then the cycle begins. Rose has got out. I'm currently, this is me parenting. Well, Lou's got out as well. She's gone for a dog walk.

So where's Rose? She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk.

She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. She's gone for a dog walk. Rose has gone out. I'm currently, this is me parenting. Well, Lou's got out as well. She's gone for a dog walk. Yeah. So where's Rose? She's gone to get coffee. Oh, that's a little nip out though. Which takes too fucking long these days. See, I still can't.

No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not Rose's fault. Victoria Park is too popular, Rob. So there's a queue at the coffee shop. It's gone fucking ballistic. But as Rose goes out, we spoke about this before, Rose goes out every morning to get a coffee from this place and that's her thing, which is on her road. It's on your road. But I just couldn't be arsed to get washed and dressed to go out to get... I need a coffee to get washed and dressed.

Oh, she's naked. Absolutely. That's what they do in the East End these days. All the fucking hippie and live fridge. Just a pair of Crocs. No, it's, yeah, I couldn't be bothered either. Because I need the coffee to get out, not get out to get the coffee. I slept on my daughter's floor last night. Okay. Why?

For fuck's sake, why? Because we just had my son's room done. That's not a reason. That's why I had roast chicken last night. Why? Because we just had my son's room done. That's not a reason. That's why I had roast chicken last night. Why? Why? Why? Why? I had cereal for breakfast. I like the chicken on the cornflakes box. Why does that say that, Cockadoodledoo? I'm ready. I'm ready to roast. Why have I actually roasted the chicken today? I feel weird. I should, but caveat, I'm massively jet lagged, which is why I'm feeling all loose and weird. I'm quite enjoying it. That's

why I'm funny. Just so bloody off-centre. No wonder Rommel and Robesh is so good. You're always jet lagged. Hanging out my arse, going mental. I'm sorry. So you slept on your daughter's floor. I had good sleep last night. I slept a lot, but I just feel a bit, um, for me, this is like 3am. What time are you on? I'm on well, I was in New York and then Canada and then Canada was a slightly different time zone to New York. So then I've come back, but essentially I'm about four or five hours behind. So it's 8.30. We started in this. So what time is that? Five hours behind 3.30am. Yeah.

Yeah. This is what time I fucking operate at though. This is when I'm at my best. Unfortunately, normally I'm asleep, which has really held me back. Maybe you should think about that tour show wise, Rob. So I do a midnight. 8.00pm, midnight and 3.30am. I tell you what, there's a couple of people out there stuck in a night feed hell that are going, Joe, I could squeeze that in with a bit of breastfed failing. Sleep at the sleep from midnight till 2am in the car park, then I wake the baby up to go in breastfeed for a bit, watch the show. Back out one six. Ready for the day. Sorry, go on, you

slept on your daughter's floor because your son's room was getting done up. Oh, yeah. And the mattress isn't down yet. So he's in my bed. He hasn't got a bed. So he's in the double bed with Rose. Yeah. So haven't you got a spare room? Yes. But she was like, Oh, if he gets sleeping with you guys, I want to sleep on your floor. And I was like, how about this for a deal? I'll come and sleep in with you.

Right. So she said, Oh, if he gets to sleep in there, I want to come in as well for a big sleepover and I'll sleep on the floor. But he was like, I can't for a deal? I'll come and sleep in with you. Right. So she said, Oh, if he gets to sleep in there, I want to come in as well for a big sleepover and I'll sleep on the floor. But he was like, I can't be bothered to drag in the mattress thing. I'll just sleep. Did you sleep on the floor on the mattress? The mattresses were already on her floor because she'd had a friend doing a sleepover last night. Okay, that's slightly. Yeah. So you've got a mattress. Yeah. Yeah.

You're whinging, mate. Get on that floor. You little dumb. That wasn't what I was whinging about. No, I know you't, I'm joking. I was just saying that I woke up and I'm not used to waking up at Ian and her, she's like get up and you're like fuck, like normally. Oh she forces you up. She forced me up and then she was like I want to get dressed, what should I wear and you're like oh fucking hell mate.

Oh my god leave it out, why aren't you necking? I haven't had a tea. Well she's trying to get down the park to go and order some silver fruit shoot. I wear and you're like, oh fucking hell mate. Oh my god, leave it out. I haven't had a teat. Well she's trying to get down the park to go and order some silver fruit shoot. We're going to, I tell you what we're doing. Nice. Queuing below. The queues are.

We're going to the Cutty Sark today. Oh nice. Good week. Good night there. Busy as fuck on the marathon day. So Cutty Sark, you've never been to Cutty Sark? The last time I went to Cutty Sark was with you, Rob. To do a gig?

To do a gig. Or was that time you tried dating and realized you weren't gay? It didn't quite work, did it? But we've got to enjoy some kind of- I'm gonna laugh though. Oh, we enjoyed a traditional trip, all right. And we were drinking, you were both drinking at that point.

It's such shims you took your trousers off. I was like, that is safe for me. I don't wanna fuck you on the poop deck. No, the- Is there fuck you on the poop deck. Is there a thing called a poop deck? There is a thing called a poop deck. Oh lovely days. If I said that at the time maybe we'd still be together. Oh, all of the mariners out there are absolutely

chuckling their heads off. Yeah. The non nerds going, is he just talking about assholes? No, there is a thing called a poop deck actually. There's something for everyone there isn't there? There's a double entendre actually he was doing there. The poop deck is a deck that forms the roof of a cabin built in the rear. Oop.

There you go. So we did a work in progress gig there ages ago didn't we? Probably last tour was it? Or was it the tour of fourth? Could have been, that would have been about four years ago. It's a weird little room though, it's got a cool little theatre in the bottom of the boat, ship, whatever. But there's like a pole right in the middle, isn't there?

Yeah. Of the stage, which is a bit like, you never know which side to stand on. I've got some things to tell you, Rob. Yeah, go on. Now, you know when you were quite impressed with how I dealt with the MOT situation? You're going to have to remind me. I don't think that's... Now, you know when you were quite impressed with how I dealt with the MOT situation? You can have to remind me. I drove to Cornwall mistakenly without an MOT.

Yeah, and you got it sorted when you were down there. Yeah, I got it sorted when I was down there, even telling them ahead of time that I had a broken light so they could source it. Yes, so they were aware. But I did go four days of the holiday with no car consequently because I had to wait for the MOT. That's annoying in Cornwall as well, isn't it? Yeah.

So I found out, Rob, this week that I had an MOT all along. Well, how? You didn't do it and forget, did you? No, Shell, our nanny, had done the MOT. Oh, she'd done it for you? Well, she'd gone out and done it last May. Right. And then obviously it hadn't been in my emails. So when I'd searched my emails for an MOT, you thought we were out,

so it actually wasn't due to be renewed for like another month. Yeah. So I could have just carried on with my car on the whole holiday. Oh, that's not also shell drives your car with the kids in. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Very good. Um, and she's done the, and she. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Very good. And she's done the, and she does the MOT. That's a bit beyond her remit, isn't it? If you're looking after a kid for a day, you're looking for stuff to do. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, but how does she even know it needed doing? Because I said, could you go and just do the MOT? Oh, you'd asked her to? Right. Yeah. Okay. I wouldn't put, do the MOT's a fun thing to do with a child. I'd say I'm looking after someone's killer, but also doing their to-do list.

Well, yeah, that's part of that. It's nice running a couple of errands. Okay, fair enough. Are you sure? Yeah. But you've got it done, so you didn't even need to get it done. Didn't even need to get done. The whole drama was absolutely pointless.

Yeah. But you needed to get your light fixed. Did need to get my light fixed Rob. And also you to be fair it needed to be done this month anyway, so you're ahead of the game. I am ahead of the game Rob. Yeah, I need to get the MOT done on it. Because we bought a, if you buy a new car, this doesn't

need an MOT for three months, three years. Does it not? But it puts you in a real lackadaisical approach to MOT as a system. Yeah, and what's the difference between MOT and car insurance? Have I got that? You need both. So an MOT makes sure it's fit for the road. God, Jesus Christ, how do you not know this? And car insurance

means that if there's an accident, it covers your car and also other people's car. So fully comprehensive. I don't mean car insurance. I mean road tax. Yeah, you need that as well. Why can't they just all be the same, like, one stop shop? Well road tax goes into the upkeep of the roads. Oh bloody hell, I need a bit more of it around here, am I right? And then there's you, Les, now you've got to pay to go through the tunnel.

There's rumours that they're going to charge you pay per mile and you have to pay how much you actually drive the car on top of all of that. I don't even understand. So what's so have I got car tax? Well, you're not going to know. Well, you can find that out if you go onto the government website. Yeah, you can type in DVLA car tax check. I think so.

Yeah. Oh no. Normally, if you don't, they come round and they put the thing on your wheel. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. July the 1st 2025. Exactly. So what you can do is I'm like, I feel like your dad at the office, bro, you can sign up on a mobile number to be reminded of car tax and mo two, which I'd massively recommend. And you just get text and says, Hey, you need to do this. Yeah, good, good, good. I'm gonna do that now.

Hey, you need to do this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good, good, good. There you go. I'm going to do that now. You go on with the product, I'm going to do that now. How are Rose's practicals going? It's so fucking difficult to book a practical in London. She still hasn't got one yet.

She's on the waiting list. She's on these waiting lists. It's fucking mental. It's unhinged. It's like Glastonbury. It's fucking insane. But in real terms, Rose passing her test, how much of an impact does that have on your life, would you say, at the moment, with school drop-offs?

Quite a lot. So, because you'll be able to, because are you doing a lot of the school drop-offs at the moment and pick-ups? No, I'd say... Or a mixture between you and Shell? No, Shell only works Tuesdays. Right, okay. And then Rose will do a couple to a few, a few probably in on the bus or in a taxi. Bus, they have a taxi back. Yep. And then, um, so I'll probably do four or five.

Yeah, that does make a massive difference, especially if you've got to get, it just frees you up for like meetings and getting in and out of town and stuff today. The thing with meetings, Rob, this is the problem. Yeah. Actually, if I'm going into town for a meeting, I'll just do drop off because it's half way, it's towards town. Right, so if you're going in person, it's sort of, you can do it on the way. Yeah, exactly. So actually, a lot of my drop offs are on the way to something. Yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

I'm learning so much about my car from this website. I've got a two axle rigid body. Who knew that? What about the car? Oh, here we go. This is good stuff. So I bought a running watch Rob. Alright, well for bedtime. Oh come on now, that's a bit unfair. You got a running watch here, go on. Are you getting into running? The marathon? I'm toying, I'm not going to. The day of the marathon I thought maybe I'll do this next year. Maybe this is me. Oh no, when I watch that I can't

think of anything worse. I hate all the people shouting on the sides. Oh, fuck off. Headphones in, headphones in. Can I tell you my main concern concern about Rob? Go on. Have you got a cough? Yeah, sorry. I'm well, I'm a bit running to the ground at the moment. I'm sorry. I'm fine, though. I'm I'm Phil, you know, I'd say, you know, physically, getting by mentally, by fucking whisker. Yeah, well, you didn't you couldn't even finish the word physically. That's that's why you're

now exactly. But don't worry about me. I can lock in lock and load. Yeah, sorry, I got a bit of a cough. Go and talk about the marathons. I've got views on the marathon. Yeah, I bet you fucking have. You've got views and everything, mate. Yeah, absolutely. My nonstop. I'm a content machine from man is post opinion. You got some fucking opinions. You're not having an opinion on stuff is quite good actually to keep your brain calm is fucking boring in front of podcast So you fucking sit back and let me unload We've got no opinions podcast No opinions Sorry sorry

Sorry Rob, are you okay? Do you want to get some water? Yeah, I probably should get some water and then we'll talk about marigold if we get some water I to get some water? Yeah, I probably should get some water. And then we'll talk about marathons. I'll get some water. Just had some water, Josh. You had some water? Oh yeah. Do you know what that tastes like? Opinion juice, less pod. Oh, here we go, here we go. Right, okay.

So, I thought maybe I'd enjoy the marathon. I actually went for a 5k on the day and I hurt my foot, which was a mistake. So how many K is in the marathon? I know it's 26 miles. 45. 45, okay. Or 40 something. So you know, don't write it in. Simply we don't...

That's the problem with a marathon. Marathon wankers, proper people that are into it. Yeah, if I did do it, I wouldn't, I try not to go on about it. But you've got to because you've got to get a marathon. Marathon wankers, proper people that are into it. Yeah, if I did do it, I wouldn't go try not to go on about it. You've got to because you've got to get a sponsorship. When anyone talks about the marathon and says the word sub and then a time and number. Well, this is one of my main issues with the marathon. No one cares.

Do you know, this is one of my main issues with doing it. Go on. It used to be that people would just do the marathon and other people would go, do you know what? Respect. You've run a marathon. And now there's this fucking extra thing about their fucking time. And you get Ramesh, you'll say, oh, you're doing the marathon. He's like, and he'll be like almost apologetic about how slow he's doing it. And you're like, you don't need to fucking apologize, mate. You're doing the marathon. Like, I think if you, the moment you say I want to do it under a certain time, they should put you in the fucking professional

race to see how you like it. I do. My main problem with a marathon are people that continue to wear the medal the day after. On the day you've run the marathon medal on. You don't want to lose it. You don't lose it. You don't lose it. You're at the pub. Also, it's a bit of fun.

Everyone's run it. You got your you're still in your running clothes. You got your medal on. Enjoy yourself. Relax. Taking the glory. Monday, put it in a fucking draw and never mention it again. It's a new day.

You lose it. Oh my God. It's all I was at the airport on Monday, right? With Romesh. He'd run it the day before. He wasn't wearing it. He weren't. But the wankers it but there's wankers walk going up to security with it on. Oh, do I need to take this off? Yes, you do. It's metal. It's a security. No, I said it under my breath. Also, when we landed in America, right, there's a couple of people that had been doing it and like flown back to America. And then we got to that American border security. And it's always a bit stressful. And the lady would go this way, go that way. And then she was not so that clear on it. And the man went, Oh, you said to go this way. She went, No, you've got to go the other way. And she went, it's only around there. You try and walk around there after running a marathon. Oh, fuck off. Oh my God. I can't bear it. My worry, my worries, a being one of those people. I give you my other main worry, Rob. Go on. And this genuinely, this might be a bit like this is what my main worry is. What's your main worry?

It's really early. What do you mean it's early? It's like you have to get there at like seven. I reckon you can pull some celebrity strings. No, but you're literally... Anyway, my point is... I'm not getting there at seven. I struggle...

No, I know you're not, Rob. But you're not doing it. Do you know what I'd probably do? Yeah. Do you know what I'd do? I'd just fucking get up one morning, forest gump it and run it. And do you know what I'd tell? No one. Oh yeah? But I'd know. Yeah. I'd say if that happened. No chance. Absolutely not. Lou would presume he'd had some kind of mental breakdown.

And do you know what I'd do? I'd go to a local park that's a 2k circuit and just do that 20 times. Well I do think that. I could just do Victoria Park nine times. Just do that nine times one day. You've done it. Why'd you need all the fanfare? Whenever I go, Oh my God, it's like, I don't know. Raise money for charity. Good on you. You want to see some challenge. Like it's weird, isn't it? Cause I am impressed by the people I know did it. Anyway, my worries. It is impressive. Well done, but take the know who did it. Anyway, my worries, I wouldn't be able to get...

It is impressive. Well done, but take the medal off. Everyone goes, oh my God, it's such a special, special, like I've run the marathon, it's so special. It's about 100,000 people doing it on the same day. Should we do it then, Rob? Is that an agreement? I'm not doing it, I don't wanna, it's too far!

So I haven't got to my problem. I don't think I'd sleep the night before. And then I'm doing the marathon with no sleep. The thought of lying there at 2am thinking if I don't get to sleep here I'm in serious trouble. On your daughter's floor? On my daughter's floor. Yeah, in my kit. Ready to go. I just think I'd be pulling an all-nighter before the marathon. I think you'd be alright.

If you like running, go and do it. If anyone's running the marathon, well done. Appreciate it. But it's just, there's a lot of wankers out there ruining it for most of the normal people that do it. Congratulations to the people from Off The Curve that did it. Well done. Raise those of unwiched for charity.

Good work. Now, let's not mention it again. You've done it. Fucking move on. Jesus Christ. Also, I don't think it counts as much now than it did in the eighties. Have you seen the photos of like your dad

and his dad's mates running it? Like they've got the worst, they're like running in a pair of Clark school shoes. No one's got, now they've all got those massive bouncy trainers, like these bastards. Did you hear about Joel Domet, you obviously did hear about him. He fainted, didn't he?

Cause he run too fast. Cause he ran too fast. Because he ran too fast. Also as well, it's just like, like all the numbers stuff, if you've done the marathon, it doesn't matter how slow or how fast or what time, you've done it. Just anyone that's sort of mugging you off for going slow, because the times are bollocks. Joel Domit's like one of the fittest people I know and like he was trying to run it in less than three hours or whatever, but because it was too hot and he went at full pelt, he nearly died. So just chill out and get it done, raise the money,

have a pint, go home. Yeah, I think you should do the marathon if you want though, mate. No, I don't want to. I think you do. I think you need a little bit more glory, don't you? Oh, I'm on telly every week, but now look at me on Sunday. Now I'm doing something special. Love me Did you send any of this to Romesh? Yeah. Yeah most of the flight That was funny on the way back. It must have been bad for his legs to be on that flight, mustn't it?

He must have been fucked. Well, he well He wasn't as bad as the work first one He did because he said he went a bit slower because it was so hot The guy who was running with was like look we can really push it here to try and learn our time But it could be quite dangerous because it's so sunny and hot He went but like that you're a risk of not finishing But so you really want to finish. Let's take it steady. Is it true that Joel? collapsed ended up in a Ambul in an ambulance, got up,

finished the marathon a minute ahead of Ramesh? I don't think we should talk about numbers, but yes. Okay. So basically he went out like a rocket to try and beat his score. Yeah, he was on one hour 29 at the halfway stage and then he blacked out. Then he blacked out and passed out in the ambulance. And then after an hour or so, they got him round and all his numbers went to the right level. So then he slowly jogged it to finish. But yes, was one minute slower than Ramesh or quicker.

The old hare and the tortoise and the hare won. After a sleep. After a sleep, what an awful morals in the story an awful Moral's in the story. Moral's never work in the story. Moral's never work in the story. So we were on, me and Romesh were talking about like getting stopped for photos and stuff like that. And obviously Romesh is super famous and super recognizable. But because he's quieter and he's not as smiley, I sometimes, I'm a little bit more striking

and people notice me more because like, it's bright blonde there, big mouth and I'm loud. And I've got opinions. Yeah, I've got distinctive accent. Anyway, was on the plane and I was sat next to Ramesh on the plane. We both had caps on, right? I bet you were both gutted about that.

Sat next to Ramesh on the plane. This guy I came on, older Asian man, right? Which normally means I get called Rom's mate. Yeah. Are you Romesh's mate? Because I'll get called. If it's an older Asian person, there will always be a you Romesh's mate. Okay, that is always the interest.

That's fine. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of people have been asking that actually, Rob. But if an older Asian person comes up to me, I will bet £100 they're going to ask me if I'm Romesh's friend, right? Not even a comedian that knows Romesh. It's like I'm his actual mate that just gets taken on the shows. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm Romesh's mate.

And he's like, oh, cool. Yeah, Romesh is great. Isn't that? I was like, yeah, he's brilliant. Like that. But do you still see him much? This man hadn't noticed Romesh next to me. And Romesh was sitting there, pissing himself laughing.

And he was like, I went, where's Romesh? I went, oh, he's at home, yeah. And then he went, oh, you're still friends. And I was like, no, not really. He's a bit of a knobbing person actually. And I went, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like really loud and in your face. And he went, all right, cheers.

I went, bye. And he walked off. I was like, how do you not know it's Romesh there? But his legs were all right, to be fair. But his legs were all right. His legs, all right, cheers, bye. And he walked off. I was like, how do you not know it's Ramesh? But his legs were all right, to be fair. His legs were all right. His legs were all right. He's an absolute trooper, Ramesh. In that case, he raised so much money.

He is a trooper. Do you know what? The one thing you can't say about Ramesh is that he is lazy. He's the least lazy man that's ever lived. He is pathologically unlazy. He was in the gym with me Tuesday morning at the hotel. Was he? Yep. Not doing legs though. Mainly arms. Not leg though. Can I ask you something Rob?

Yeah of course. Because I've realized one of the things I hate the most is getting my hands flapping and is it just me? Go on. The worst, oh god it's even talking about it makes me... Is it when you have in a shower and you realize you need a poo and you get out and the rooms all hot and sweaty and you're trying to poo and you're wet but then the wet starts to sweat as you panic yeah that's horrible isn't it you have a big sweaty wet shit oh god no thanks no it's not that right no what is it then if if I'm going up the stairs I can't have I don't like someone to be behind me.

Right. And my worst nightmare. Yeah, is someone touching you? Is if I was going up the stairs and Rose was to playfully slap my ass. Right, you hate that, do you? I hate that. And you're scurry. And I just, even thinking about it now is making me full of anxiety.

And is this just me? But like, if she was coming, I'd have to go, please don't, I'm serious. Like, you know, I've got a phobia. And it's not a bit of fun, you hate all of it. No, I've got a phobia of being slapped on the ass while going upstairs. Right, well, good luck getting the tube around London,

now everyone knows this. Joshy, I'm coming to get you. Oh no, don't, don't, fuck, fuck, fuck'm coming to get you. Oh no don't. Go for it. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Tickling your back. Tickling my back is fine, you can tickle my back. The thought of being slapped on the ass on the stairs, what has happened to me in my life?

What's happened to you on those stairs? What happened to me? I don't know, I just think you feel vulnerable in that situation. Why do I feel vulnerable? I'm above know, I just think you feel vulnerable in that situation. Why do I feel vulnerable? I'm above. Maybe that's why you feel vulnerable, because you feel like you should be below. Would you be all right if you're walking up the stairs and a stranger's coming up and slamming my ass and shouting gobble gobble?

No, if you're walking up the stairs, Lou's got to go upstairs as well. She's a stair behind you and she thinks I'm going to playfully slap Rob on the ass. A slap, I'd be fine, but if she was like getting me like sort of squeezing and like pinching and like get like tickling and like trying to like jibble me that I'd find annoying, but I wouldn't be sort of scared and foam. I'm like, get off that side. I feel like I'm gonna, I'm gonna put the camera on because of the thing.

My hands are going like this 10 to the dozen now. Yeah, you are. You look, you look, you look, he looked visibly animatedly stressed. I'm so stressed thinking about it. So I think you write in if you also don't have been slapped on the start slapping hands. I can't help it. It's the thought of it is fucking.

I don't like it. If she's stuck, my bum won't care. But if she was like chasing me and tickling me, I wouldn't like it. Cause I feel like I'd slip and fall maybe. Sorry. I just, I just wondered whether it was just me. No, I think you, what you feel most people feel, but you've got quite an extreme reaction to it. I don't normally have many things. I get vertigo a bit, not this is separate to the stairs, but apart from that phobia wise,

I'm pretty good. Spiders? I don't love spiders. I bet you've got quite a lot of phobia. No, no, no. Would you hold a tarantula? No, I wouldn't like that. No, hold a snake?

Oh, no, fuck that. Well, I'd say you got a rat, let a rat run on your hands. No. A rat? Let a rat run on your hands? No! I don't... I mean, I've picked three off the top of my head and you seem quite visibly distraught by the prospect. So if I was in the jungle, Rob,

yeah, and big, I mean, how long are we giving it? I'd love to see you in the tide. Fucking love to see your little hands flapping. I could do the ones where you have to just stay still. Is it like the coffin or whatever? For one star, Josh, you've got to run up some stairs with someone on the edge. With deck whacking me on the ass with a fly swat.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I really, in all seriousness, Would you hold a lizard? I'm just saying this publicly. Go. If you do slap me on the ass publicly in all seriousness, but you hold on. I'm just saying this publicly. If you do slap me on the ass publicly in the stairs, I can't promise I won't turn around and punch you in the face. Right. So that is my legal. Is that a legal out? I don't know if it is. It's not legal out. I'm telling you, I, this isn't a laugh. This isn't a laugh. You may not punch them, but you are going to be fucking living and it's gonna it's gonna be a situation how react I don't know how

react. So if someone did that to me, the cells are gonna fucking me. I was looking for a blue or the other day, right? And he's geezer, grab my shoulder and oil like that. And I'm gonna get your fucking hand off me. Because I thought I forget I'm famous sometimes. Because I'm just a bloke in Bluewater with my kids and if another bloke grabs my shoulder and pulls me back I'm going to get the fuck off me. And he went, oh, you're a Beckett, aren't you? I was like, yeah, but don't grab me arm, mate.

I didn't know what was going on. Slap me on the arse, show me some respect. Take me to the staircase and tickle my arse. See, I don't like the poking of the bum. Also in jeans I feel more comfortable. If I'm wearing a pair of loose fitting joggers for comfy time, it's basically like my arsehole can invite it in in soft leggings. Yeah, I don't know about that. How are you?

God, sorry. How are you kids? Good actually. I'm on the floor. They've been pretty solid. It's my son's birthday on Sunday. Nice. What are you doing? We're doing a joint birthday party. You do have a glass of water now, don't you? Yeah I do actually. We're doing a joint birthday party on the Saturday. With another kid from the nursery? No, with just one of my mates, he's 54 on the same day. So it's been quite... Have you got a mate who's 54? No, I haven't actually. I wouldn't hang out with such... I was thinking about this the other day. I think 50 is the age that really messes men's heads up.

Do you? I think it's because then you can see 60 and I think 60 is... No offense if you're 60, but that... When I was a kid, 60 is when you feel like that's old age. Yeah yeah yeah exactly and I think but by 60 you've accepted you're old but I think 49 to 50 is like oh my god am I too old to do sport? Yeah. I mean that's that point isn't it? Oh Rob I went for a run with Ali, my tour manager. Oh, he's a machine, isn't he? He's a fucking machine. Um, we did five miles. So does he so is he he's very nice guy, Ali. So he's he's he's eased off for me. And I did feel bad about that.

Because you're like, he's thinking this is pointless. Why am I just walking along with this little run? So he does these things called like ultra triathlons or something, where it's 19 hours and he ran from Manchester to London or something or Birmingham to London. He's in a bloody train these days. Oh, here we bloody go. H ors bloody three. Oh God, do you remember those days? What happened to pretend to care about a new law? three. Oh, God, you remember those days?

To pretend to care about a new law talking about fucking horse lasagna and the Lib Dem conference. Just sat there going what the fuck do I care about the spare bedroom tax? I'm 24. Oh my god. Yeah, the Gregs. What was it the pasty tax? The pasty tax. Okay, now, Eric Pickles. Eric Pickles got a pound in every week. Poor. Eric Pickles. Eric Pickles got pounded every week. Poor old Eric Pickles.

God, anyway, so I did the five, I did five miles with him before breakfast roll. Wow, that's good though, good exercise. I was like, that's it for the day. Good, great work done. Then I met him for lunch. Yeah. Yeah, to go into Norwich. And he'd been to the gym and had a swim. So I'm not saying that I hadn't, that he'd been easing off for me, but he felt he needed a swim and the gym.

Five miles is a long way though, John. You could do the marathon easily. Oh God. Get into the training, you'd love it. No. Race of money. Because I enjoy running. Get you up the OBE list. Oh God. I wouldn't accept it Rob.

Would you? Yeah, you would you be up there rat up a drainpipe you and Rose at the front door. Don't talk to me about rat up a drainpipe Rob, that makes me feel. You wouldn't hold a rat? Hamster? You hold a hamster? I love a hamster. Yeah. I think rats tails are a bit much.

I don't love a rat. Well, I held a tarantula. My daughter had like a little party thing where they brought animals around and I helped. I didn't want to hold the tarantula, but I could. Yeah, yeah, I think I could hold a tarantula but I would be delighted when it ended. Yeah, 100% Yeah, agree. Yeah, strongly. I don't think that's

a phobia. I think phobias like you are like, because if you're on the stairs, right, and I went to chase after you, you would sprint away, hide and get a bit like shorter breath, I think, wouldn't you? That's a phobia. Or I think if you just picked it up, or I don't like this, that's just not enjoying something. Two for the next correspondence. Have you got a phobia of being slapped on the ass going up the stairs? Or more specifically, have you got a really weird phobia? Because I used to work with a man who had a phobia of bananas. Oh, my, I was literally, that's so weird. My mate Tim's scared of bananas. Yeah. And no one was allowed to eat a banana in the staff room.

But then I just think what happened to him with a banana when he was a kid? I know. Like, where's that come from? He's just bored and shoved it up his ass once and now he lives in shame for the rest of his life and now anyone brings a banana out, we're the dirty bastard. We're the king-claimers. No, we're not. I'm just trying to eat it, mate. You're the one who peeled it and stuck your own ass. Don't start sticking your banana shame on me, mate, just because you put it in the wrong end. Or

different end. Everyone's allowed to. There are different pieces. How are your children, Rob? I don't know. I've not seen them that much this week. So that's the thing. So the birthday party, I should be like giving you all these details, but we're organizing it with the other couple. Yeah. She is incredibly organized.

I've got the party bags to sort fine and a few other things. It's going to be all right, Rob. Cause they're doing it. But she rented the venue. So she's organizing it. You just got to turn up a couple of bags. Great. It's not like that. It's not like that at all. What do you mean it's not? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Sunday. What's Rose in charge of? Well, me and the mum met up to discuss it. So is Rose not doing the party bags? Are you doing the party bags or are you and Rose doing the party bags? We'll team up the party bags. I quite enjoy doing the party bags. You can do them with your, like, my daughter will help because it's quite a fun job. I'm doing Craft Corner.

So are you buying all the stuff for Craft Corner? We've got it from the overflow for my daughter's. Right, so you're taking Craft Corner stuff and you're gonna be in charge of Craft Corner and you're doing party bags. There's lots of cars and vehicles and we're all doing that. What do you mean lots of cars and vehicles? It's vehicle themed,

so we're bringing lots of vehicle toys. So all the people are bringing them from home different cars and stuff to the park? Yeah. So you're just doing it in the park? No, we've got a, there's like a kind of municipal facility, I suppose. And the mum from the other kids book that.

Who sent out invites? So I provided a photo for the invite. You provided a photo of your own child for the invite? Yeah. But the other mum's done the invites? Well, we're on the same WhatsApp group. And sent them out? I've okayed them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. And who's doing food and drink? We're sharing the food. So you're bringing food? It's TBC, according to this message. So I imagine the mum from the other parents could organize all that just let you know how much you owe No, I just think that's a bit. That's right. You don't know that it's already entertainer or anything or any music

It's an entertainer. Yeah, he's put that well, I'd suggested one but it was it was dig. It didn't work out. So Okay, so but who's put the one that's going but Needs to drill down into it. The other mum's put that. Yeah, yeah, we don't need to drill down into it. Music, has it got a speaker? Some music? Yeah.

The other mum doing that? Well, they've got a Sonos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. But I did suggest we bring a speaker. I tell you what, your suggestions have been great. Yeah, thanks. I'd say they've been spot on.

That one, that entertainer you suggested that they didn't book. Good work. Yeah, well, no, I went on his Instagram and it was insane. What the price or what he did just just bananas up his ass. Yeah, you don't want to get chasing the parents upstairs. Actually, you know what I would pay 250 quid for that guy. And say that the other thing I've noticed with the kids, because I'm not seeing that song yesterday, when I landed at like 9am. And I am that now there's seven or nine, what we're getting into now is some quite high level intellectual arguments between us and the kids where before we'd say we are doing this now. Yeah, they got Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, or don't want it.

But now they are providing evidence and arguments of why not to. Yeah, yeah. And like stuff like, oh, we've got a play date going on, we've got to go now. And Paul Lua had to deal with this when I was away. But my daughter just didn't want to go. And then she was like, I'm not going.

And he was like, no, no, we're going. No, no, you just tell me where to go. Like I'm a puppet. I haven't got my own life and own opinions on what I want to be and what I want to do. Which taught us this. Seven. Seven. Yeah, that's difficult. That's difficult to argue against really, isn't it?

I suppose then you find yourselves in this position where you go, do I just abandon all the words and pick her up and have a fight? Well, do I just go, right, well, I'm just gonna have to be a dictator or do I try and reason? Do you know what I mean? Because yeah. Like, what is the right thing to do there? Do you go? OK, I'll have to talk her around or do you go, well, you're just doing what I say, which is obviously

the youngest, you can't really talk around because she's quite enjoying having an answer for everything. And sort of like a phase where it's like, I don't know if it's a phase, just be who she is. It's like Twitter, no one can talk anywhere around. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's mydaughterisx.com. I'd say that... because did I tell you about the Albatross thing, which you were trying to do homework? I think you did. Where it was like, how old's the Albatross was, which one do homework? I think you did. Where it was like, how old the Albatross was a question. Oh, yeah, yeah.

On the after I said, well, when was it when was it public? So it's all about a lot. We just like, actually, this is taking longer. So it's like, they like, where do you think she gets that from them? Well, the oldest one was at Wacom, I was yesterday and the oldest one was sort of having a an argument with Lou, but was being quite funny with it. Well, why do I have to do that? Well, it wasn't argument was like going against what Lou wanted her to do, but being

quite funny with it and one and Lou's face. It was like, Lou was getting so wound up like because he was being cheeky and sort of annoying her. Yeah. And it's just like, Oh, God, it's like Lou's just like battling. It was like Lou was back at school in a classroom battling with her peers. Yes. And I think girls push different buttons on their mom than they do on their dads. Yes. Because I think what happens is it's because women get taken back to social circles with other women, which at school can sometimes be challenging because...

Whereas you didn't talk to them until you were 18. No, exactly. I didn't talk to any women until I was 22. But yeah, but I do think they're like, women's social circles are way more complicated and complex than men's. So I feel like sometimes I don't know, it just feels like the conflicts the girls have with Lou are slightly different to what they have with me. But I don't know why that is. And I don't know if that's due to, but it feels like it's a bit more, I'd say like, you know, like sort of like the tension levels out of five.

I'd say that it's immediately, it's always seems to be one level above my tension level with a girl. And I don't think it's an- Well, I think the interesting thing there, Rob. But what we'll do, Rob, we've discussed getting on experts and doing these expert episodes at some point soon

This would be a very good thing to discuss with someone. Yeah, why this wrong with women? So fucking complicated Why can't chicks chill out Why are men such bloody legends? Why are men just trying to get things done and women are fucking bringing emotions into it? Why can't women just lock it all in a box and then at 57 burst into tears on the M1 for no reason whatsoever and then buy a sports car and a leather jacket. Why can't I? But no, I is there is that girls do wind Lu up slightly more than me in the back. I don't know what that's from. But also, I suppose if she bites, if she bites Rob, that's when you know that's the difficult thing, isn't it? Because if they know how to press their buttons, yeah, although you're easy to get to bite as well. If they can find those.

Just chase me up the stairs with a Marathon medal on, I'll be livid. But I think as well in lose to fence is that she's with them more than me, especially at the moment. Totally, you're an absent father. I'm working so much, I'm an absent father. It calms down, but this year is mental. So she's with them more than me. So it's just, when you're with someone more, it's gonna roll up more, where I'm a bit more like a special treat at the moment, because I'm not there as much.

Of course, and you're back and you're like, here we go. And she's like- Yeah, let's do something fun. And then Lou has to do all the boring stuff, where it's like, have you packed your bag? Have you done that? Because she's here. So I think that's it as well, where it's a little bit of like too much.

There's a saying, isn't there too much familiarity? Do you know what might cheer Lou up, Rob? What's that? Next time she's going up the stairs. Tickle her butt. Just a cheeky little slap on the old buttocks. See how it goes. Lou, I've seen you've been a bit busy recently.

You've got a lot on your plate, work-wise, child-wise. I've not been at home as much. How about you get on the stairs, I pop my new manicured finger up your ass. Michael's been doing it with his fiance. She's going to put you in the alias and see how we go. Let's go. Let's see if one thing leads to another.

The other being divorced. Well, one little finger in the ass can do. But yeah, so I'm at home a bit more this week. Let me know how the ass thing goes, Rob. Keepers updated. I don't think it's gonna go well. Sorry, did you just orgasm? No, I've just stretched and yawned. I had such a mental week last week. I was rapping with Wu Tang Clan and then I was at the world curling championships. Oh yeah. That's a mental weight that. I know which episode of the two I'm watching. Oh God. I was curling.

I've done curling. I did unsurprisingly Paralympic curling. Yes. It's so much more difficult than you think it's going to be. Yeah. And it's so tiring to do the brushing. Yeah, the brushing is absolutely exhausting. And also what is deadly is how slippy the ice is.

I know it sounds stupid, but you have a special shoe on that is basically like, the shiniest, it is designed to be as slippy as possible. So you have one shoe that grips, one shoe that isn't. And you slide on the slippy one, pushing yourself. So it's almost like your left foot's a skateboard and your right foot's pushing on the ground. So it's so slippy and dangerous.

I don't know if you found this fucking ripped kernels because of the brushing. The brushing. Oh my god, their kitchen's floors must be so clean. They need to brush so hard. And then having to also they're having to write a rap and wrap rap in front of a actual rapper in New York was one of the most I went bright red. Also, as I was about to do it, and it'd be a funny episode. So we did a hip hop episode in a Winter Olympics episode with Rom. And Rom's good

at rapping as well. He can actually rap, which sort of like the pressure was really on me. So I had to write this little rap and then I was about to. And I don't know, you know, Louis Thoreau. I'm at home and I better do me. So I had to write this little rap and then I was about to... You're no Louis Theroux are you? No, but I'm at home and like, because I thought I better do it so I've got something. Lou texted me going, what are you doing down there? Because I was trying to rap downstairs. Oh no. What are you whispering on your phone? And she was like, I was like, oh, I've written a rap. And she was like, I can literally see her alarm bells in her head going, I've got to divorce this

man. He's trying to become a rapper. I just explained it was literally for work and I had to do it. I'm not having like a midlife where I'm like, oh, I'm a rapper now. And did you say come down the stairs? I tell you what, wait halfway down the stairs and I'll meet you there. And I'm going to chase you up the stairs. We're going to have a bit of fun. And then basically before I had to do the rap in front of Ray Quan, who's a guy from Wu Tang Clan, I was like, okay, well, I'll do it. And then that moment of silence where the whole room went quiet and I had to out loud rap. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. It was awful. And I was like, oh my God.

And I was like, the silence is killing me before I start doing it. And then I know the crew really well, the camera crew. And like their job is to remain silent at all times. Thank God. Thank God you meant the camera crew because... You thought I meant the rapper and crew? Yeah, I was like, Rob, come on, mate. Come on, f**k it, how you've changed. I had a lovely 20 minutes with Roy Kwon from the Wu Tang Clan, but I wouldn't call myself

one of the members. You wouldn't say you know the crew. So the camera crew, especially, remain silent all the time, that's their job, right? And it's quite fun when sometimes you make them laugh because, you know, like, oh, I've done well here because it's so funny they've broken, they've gone unprofessional. Anyway, I was about to do the rap and as they know me really well, they all just pissed themselves laughing. I hadn't even done it yet. I was like, this is not encouraging. But I did do it. It was, I'm blood red the whole time and I'm actually cringing thinking about it. It's exhausted.

You know what? When I had to do my penguin dance for the first time, yeah. Al Connolly, the floor manager who I'm sure you know well. Yeah, lovely guy. Yeah, lovely guy. Brian Connolly's brother, Brian Connolly's brother, actually. Yeah. Um, he came up to me and he was like, he's done strictly for years. And he said, I've been looking forward to this all day. No, I knew like, Oh Oh God, of course, because of course, because it's, I knew suddenly like, Oh God, it's not the people at home. It's the people

I have to work with that just gleefully watching. They're going, Oh my God, I can't wait to go to work today because this guy really embarrassed himself. Do you know how exhausting being humiliated is? I do, Rob. I've been up some stairs. No, but like, I was talking to Ramesh about this. I've got like that whoop thing where it tells you like, I can go to like, I do a 5K run, play football,

go to the gym. And then the next day it says, oh, you're about 50% recovery. Make sure that you have some exercise and don't exercise and have some water and rest. I do one rack, I'm on like 15% the next day, my heart rate's through the fucking roof, like I've done coke all night. Well, it's a good thing, the shame diet, Rob. The shame diet. No, but that doesn't work. When I'm on the shame diet, I start drinking alcohol and eating bad

food for comfort. That's horrible. When I had terrible anxiety, and I give this as a tip to any marathon runner, I'd go out and run and I could just run forever. Because I had so much adrenaline in my body. I'd get back and it was like I hadn't even broken a sweat. Did you drink after as well then? Was this when you're not drinking? I wouldn't have drunk after the run. I comfort even drink.

Except I was atonic. you're not drinking. I wouldn't have drunk after the after the run. I come for even drinks. So last week I'm drunk this year I've probably had one or two drinks a week max for the whole year like very occasionally where I used to drink quite a lot. This week doing curling and wrapping I had probably four pints every night for a week, which isn't great. Now I'm not curling and rapping every week. So you're not curling and rapping every week. Oh dear. Right, Josh, we should do a small business shout out. Yeah, I got, so I was at Newbury.

Yeah, I am because this is in the thing. And I got given a thank you, Rob. Yeah. Just want to say a big thank you for the small business shoutout that you gave me after I left my return to Santa sacks from Rob when he was in Newbury before Christmas. Oh, yes. As well as enormous booster sales, it was so good to get such amazing feedback about the idea from parenting hell listeners. I started Return to Santa

as a way of teaching my own children about the importance of giving. So with that in mind, I've decided to embody that mission myself and gave a portion of this year's sales to the charity National Association for Children of Alcoholics, a charity close to my heart. I wouldn't have been able to do this without the support of the parenting hell listeners. Oh, that's lovely. Yeah. Well, that is nice, isn't it? At return to Santa and return to santa.co.uk. That's a nice one, isn't it? Lovely. I was going to say, I keep getting, I keep giving, getting given ones for like

just giving for that, but I think we should stick to businesses rather than. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know we did that for off the cut, but only because we were talking about it. I think, I think we should stick to businesses because otherwise it just turns into a just giving and it's boring. Cause it's like every, every charity's welfare. This is, I think we need to keep this on. That was good though, mentioning that they've got money, but I think I was just talking about it the other day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I agree. I should say, I've got another one, which is local, Rob. Local to me. Because I used it, which is Dabbadrop, which is Indian food delivered to your door, Rob. And they emailed, we're huge fans of the pod and have been listening and nodding in the greet. I'll tell you Rob, full disclosure, I used it and I said send an email because then I can read it out. Okay cool, but you've actually tasted this small business. Yes, I've tasted it with my own mouth. With my own mouth. As two tired busy mums needing a night off cooking but feeling uninspired by the healthy takeaway choices on offer and

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