Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S11 EP27: Jo Whiley

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

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Hello, I'm Rob Beckett. And I'm Josh Widdickham. Welcome to Parent in Hell, the show in which Josh and I discuss what it's really like to be a parent, which I would say can be a little tricky. So, to make ourselves, and hopefully you, feel better about the trials and tribulations of modern-day parenting, each week you'll be chatting to a famous parent about how they're coping.

Or hopefully how they're not coping. And we'll also be hearing from you, the listener, with your tips, advice, and of course, tales of parenting wo. Because let's be honest, There are plenty of times where none of us know what we're doing. Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with... Elliot, can you say Rob Beckett? See Rob Beckett?

Bob Beckett. Good boy. Can you see Josh Whittacom? A chicken. A big chicken. Cross enough. Do you know what I love that? The juxtaposition between sort of North... feast Jordie to

Edda-Dak-Bet Duham. Posh. Hi, Rob and Josh. She's our 30-month-old son, Elliot, attempting your names. We've been patiently waiting. Two and a half. Two and a half.

Waiting for the day. We could finally record him, saying your names, to email in. We've been avid listeners since the beginning, even before we had our son. But listening to the podcast, it's helped a lot by hearing other people's stories on pregnancy, childbirth,

the newborn stage in toddlerhood. Now are in the throes for it. Stay sex and relatable. Rachel, Andrew and Elliot from Durham, Kiss. Lovely stuff. 30 months. Oh, my word. You are struggling.

You've been busy. Well, I'm gigging in the evening. Talks me about your workload. What it is, is because I'm doing my southwest run at the moment, Rob. That should be easier, though, because it's near your house. Yes, it isn't. It isn't because it means I'm getting up and doing the school run the next day. I had that, yeah, less traveling back, but you're not in a hotel resting.

Exactly, yeah. So in a hotel, you can wake up at 8, 8.30. but here you're like I'm up at 7 and I'm getting through the door when I got in at like half 11, 12 You've got to do shit Yeah exactly

I've got to change the disc plate On my lawnmower Because it broke Because I think the apple tree The apples have fallen down And I think they're too hard And it broke the disc plate Because it's trying to chop up apples

Thinking it's grass Oh my word Country living Country living world Country living world Country Living. So where was you last night? Truro?

Yeah. I heard an interesting thing about robot cars, Rob. Do you want to hear this? Yeah, go on. You love AI. Go on. I do. I read this.

The future, right? So when you've got a driverless car in 2040, if you don't need it for the day, you will be able to press a button, a share button, and then it will go out and it will do taxi work for you, and you'll be able to make a bit of money. because you're not using your own car. Wow.

Isn't that mad? The future isn't all bad? Do you know what? The future is bloody crazy. The future is wild, Rob. Now, talk about the present. Are you working? What's that?

Am I working tonight? Torquay. Oh, the princess there, sir? Oh, yeah. Yeah. The old princess. Am I working Tuesday? Yeah.

Yovil. Absolutely. I'm working Wednesday back on Exeter. On Saturday, doing it again on Wednesday. So you did last leg Friday. Yep. Was you working on Thursday? No, I watched the final of the traitors on Thursday.

Oh, that was good, wouldn't it? I let my daughter stay up for that. And then she tried to push it for uncloaked. It was like a joke's a joke, mate. That was one of the highlights of our trip to Japan was watching that. I'd say, of all the shows, it's the bet my daughter's now eight. Yeah. I'd say it's the perfect grown-up and kids show.

Yes. It's totally innocent. She totally gets it. It's not boring for the grown-ups, because as much as we like gladiators or something, we probably wouldn't sit down and watch it ourselves. No, it's a lovely first show to watch as a family. But Traitors is so good for her age, and she loved it. And also, I really played on getting some messages from the Traitors for her.

Oh, did you? Oh, yeah, yeah. Who did you get for her? Jonathan, Alan, Wilkinson. Lovely. Are you going to watch I'm a celebrity with her? Will she like that? I'm not sure.

Too grown up for her. No, I think she might enjoy it. Are you excited by that, Rob? Do you know who's in it? Yeah, it's been announced. Let's go through it. It's not my favourite show because I find it stressful.

This is I'm a celebrity. So this is what we do is we nick this off our friends, the Vaughn's, shout out of Vaughn's, that they get the Marks and Spencer's Christmas food. You're obsessed to the Marks and Spencer's Christmas food. You love it. It's a favourite thing in the year. And they get all of it for the launch night of I'm a celeb

to taste it all to work out what it is they're going to get for Christmas. Bloody out, I'm not into I'm a celebrity at all. I consume I'm a celebrity through you, Rob. Can I tell you who's in it in the mic? Shona McGarty. Okay. Kelly Brooke. I'm still smiling from when she took my ticket

to the Euro's final. Martin Kemp. Okay. Okay. Martin Kemp. Eddie Kadi. Comedian, Eddie Kadi? Lovely guy. I know who Eddie Kadi is, yeah, lovely guy.

Alex Scott. Yep. Ruby Wax. She's going to be a handful. There's your first where you go. That's a firecracker booking. Jack Osborne. and from you've been framed alumni Lisa Riley

Oh Lisa Riley Don't you remember when she used to be you being framed If her legs on the little Shays Lounge Of course, of course I love Lisa Riley I think I can probably tell you every host of you've been framed I think they went

Beedle Yep Riley And then the one people forget Wilkinson Little Johnny Wilkes Yeah Wilco And then Harry Hill

Yeah not the rugby player No Jonathan Wilkes Jonathan Wilkes I said Wilkins Yeah Johnny Wilkinson's No no Jonathan Wilkes Jonathan Wilkes, Robbie Williams' best friend was his job, I think. And can I just say on Lisa Riley, I find it flabbergasting, to quote Kate Garroway,

that Lisa Riley has never done I'm a celebrity before. That feels like, that feels fucking mental. I feel like they must all be kicking themselves that Alison Hammond's done every reality show 10 years ago. Yes. She should be able to do the return. Well, she wouldn't be doing them now, though. No, maybe. So Lisa Riley, H, H, the rapper.

yeah um vogue williams yeah angry jinge the uh streamer do you know him so what tom reed wilson you know the um i like tom rizs go day and love tom reed wilson i've did sunday brunch with him he is a lovely man so the weird thing here is who wins this okay now my money normally goes on people that are in soaps or or mcfly westlife they always win because musician fans fans of music fans of music love it and I think Martin Kemp has got to be in with a shout of winning it. Martin Kemp, yeah, I'll buy that. I think most more people are going to vote for Martin Kemp.

The only thing is these Angry Ginge is so popular and has a massive following with younger people. Sorry, you're going to need to explain angry Ginge to me. No, but G.K. Barry didn't win. No, sorry, I don't think they've picked up the phone to vote or vote on the apps, but if KSI and all that lot

get behind pushing their audience to vote for him. I don't think they're going to care that much, KSI and people like that are they? They love angry Jits. That community, if they all of them got together, they could win it easily. They just told all their followers to vote for him. Yeah. But I think Martin Kemp

potentially, because the kind of people that vote are Martin Kemp fans. Do you feel that is lacking a big name? A Killeen Rooney, a Matt Hancock, a Nigel Farage, a headline grabber. Do you know what? I think the big names are always open. Kaleen Rooney,

lovely woman, but she's not entertaining. She's not an entertainer. Do you know, she's, you know, a mom, and she's got a, like, and she's famous for being a footballer's wife. And you famously say mums aren't entertaining. That's your thing, isn't it right? No. Now, you've said that to me. Incorrect. Ruby Waxes a mom. She's very entertaining. Vogue Williams as a podcast, but like, see, I think you're better off getting people in they've got big personality driving big names. I hated all the Farage, Matt Hank,

all the politician ones. I didn't like that. So Rob is saying it here now Martin Kemp Or if not Martin Kemp, the Angry Ginge Do you want to see the odds? Shall we have a quick look at the odds? Least likely, no offence Eddie Caddy, lovely guy

But comedians, people never vote for comedians Why don't they vote for comedians? So Martin Kemp favourite 4 to 1 Angry Ginge 9 to 12 second favourite Bosch. Tom Reid Wilson's up there He's 16 to 1 or mine Ruby Wax 20 to 1

I don't know what anyway We'll see Josh Joe Wiley Oh yeah We've got Joe Wiley excellent episode we love joe wiley what such a good voice oh it's like caramel i bet she does some lovely voiceover work on adverts velvety hot chocolate like you've put in one of those little battery powered mini whisks they sell on ticot shop do you know what this hot chocolate

it's not too hot it's not keeping you in a japanese cafe for an hour oh lovely callback to tuesday yeah exactly we're it all part of one long narrative right here's joe wiley see you next week josh well see you afterwards we do a bit after joe wiley oh yeah of course yeah i'll see you for the bit that we've already called it yeah yeah well what ah we're now going to sit here and we're going to listen to the joe wiley interview and then we're going to talk about it yeah we always do that we listen to the full edit we always do that and then we have a little chat about what we felt and then we have a meeting we get bullet points of what we're going to cover and then we press record yeah and michael then after that says right what five things can we improve for next week

because never ever let this drop never get your foot off the fucking Joe Wiley, welcome to the show. Hello. Thanks for doing this. Nice to see you and hear you. You're right. Yeah. Do you know when you said that? I did think you've got an iconic voice, haven't you, Joe? Because it's been in our ears for so long. And the name Joe Wiley, it's like, that is radio. If you say Joe Wiley, it's almost like, almost you've gone beyond a person into sort of just like functional mechanical aspects of what radio is.

Do you feel that? That's weird. You've gone beyond a name. No, just, but saying my name is weird. My dad sometimes calls me Joe Wiley. And then my sister calls me that as well. And that's really weird. I'm always going, Dad, don't, don't call me Joe Wiley.

I'm your daughter. Just call me Joe. It's really strange. You always get double name. You always get, I would never think, hi, Joe. It's got me Joe Wiley. Oh, God. That's weird.

It's a good surname. Yeah, well, obviously, I used to love Pete Wiley. I used to love the Mighty Waugh. Do you like Wiley? I mean, obviously, Wiley's. slightly now. Yeah, no, not to know. Yeah, it's there.

No Wiley? No, we spell it differently. Yeah, he's spelled it differently. Yeah, Pete Wiley from White Rowe, of course. I really think no Wiley deserve more. I'll keep going. Joe, how many kids have you got? I've got four.

I'm much further down the line than you. Yeah, I've got four kids. Are they Wileys? They're Wiley Mortons, actually. Wiley Morton? Yeah, Steve's name is Morton. So, yeah, they've gone for Wiley Morton. Wynne.

On the WMs. We're always called the WMs. I never ever thought I'd have a hyphen in my name at all or my kids would, but it just seemed to work. Yeah, the WMs. I like. How old are the kids show? I mean, they're still kids. They're still my babies. India is 33. I've just had, well, I think the husband's just going to come in with a cat. Sorry, how old are you? What's going on here? I know, I know. I don't want to feel like the weird bloke at all office do, but at that you definitely look too young to have a 33-year-old. I was so young when I had India. No, I wasn't actually.

So India is 33, but she's, yeah, she's still my baby, obviously. And then I've got, I've just had to text the two boys to check how old they are. So Jude is 26 and he's going to be 27 at Christmas time. And then Cass is 24 and then Coco is just 17. Oh, wow. Wow. Are you empty nest territory or is the 17-year-old still there? It's a 24-year-old still there.

What's the set up? Who's in the house? Right. The 33-year-old is still here. The 26-year-old is, he's just moved to London. The 24-year-old is still here. here. The 17-year-old is still here. It's a commune. It's not so much a house. It's a full-nest. It's still pretty full-nest. Yeah, I'm not letting them go at all. I don't know why,

but I remember you, I used to watch the Glastonbury coverage quite religiously. And you used to take your, what presumably India, your oldest daughter. Yeah. So you had India at kind of the height of, yeah, it would have been the mid-90s, wouldn't it, when you were kind of hosting Glastonbury and you were kind of doing the evening session and stuff. So was that quite different to your peers at that point? Yeah, it was. I was definitely the first one of my friends to have children because I was so extraordinarily young. Now, I had in 93, so I was pregnant in 92 when I was working on the Word. So I was pregnant at the same time as Courtney Love. Yeah. What a place to be pregnant. I was working on the Word and I was really heavily pregnant and it was really strange because

it just wasn't the done thing. So I remember when Courtney came on the show, I was like, oh my God, another pregnant humor person. This is really good, who's quite cool. And did you share parenting techniques with Courtney Love, parenting tips? No, Amanda D'Cadenae, she was also pregnant around the same time. So I remember being in hospital and they, it was UCH, I think, in London. And they had payphones on the wall and I got this, when the midwives came along, she went, there's a phone call for you on the pay phone. And I was like, wheeled along to the pay phone. And then this voice was like, hi, it's Amanda. I've just had my baby. Have you had yours yet? And Miranda de Cadenae called me. I know it was weird because she was quite a lot younger than I was.

What, just called the hospital pay phone? Yes. I kid you not. I kid you not. So I've kept in touch with Amanda over the years, which is really quite lovely. Was bringing up India in that kind of situation? Was she exposed to a lot of that kind of world and stuff? Or were you living two?

Pay phones. Yeah. Pay phones, yeah. Remember those. No, she was just part of the gang, just like you, I think. You both take your kids on tour with you, don't you? Not all the time. Not all the time.

I took them to a sound check on Saturday and they loved it. And then they asked if they could come last night and I was like, I need a bit of space before the show. Yeah. No, but if you're on stage and you're doing shows, I understand. I mean, my kids won't come to shows with me now at all. But no, at the time I used to, because I carried on working. I remember because I was working on the word, got pregnant,

went and told the bosses and I was really worried because it was like such a great break to be working on that show. And then going in and saying, oh, God, actually, I'm going to have a baby. And I thought they'd say, okay, bye, see you. But they didn't. They were very progressive. It was Charlie Parsons and it was Planet 24. And they just went, oh, will you be able to, you know, when will you be able to bring her in?

How's that going to work? And so I just literally used to drive from Golders Green in London down to Parsons Green, I think it was, or wherever the word was. And India would just come to meetings. She'd crawled across the table. I had her manny. My friend Dave looked after her. So he'd just walk around the office all the time with her. And she just fitted in.

It was just what I had to do it. She probably better behaves than all the coke heads. on telly in the 90s at that point, roam in the opposite. Can you imagine? Yeah. I love that our view of TV in the 90s is that you're not being sacked for being pregnant is considered progressive. Yes, I know. They're very progressive. They didn't sack me for being pregnant. Obviously, being pregnant was a new thing around 93. Yeah, of course. But women weren't, you know, I think Janice Long, there was a lot of speculation about why she left Radio 1. I don't know the truth, but I know that she got pregnant. Annie Nightingale never talked about having kids.

It just wasn't done. You just kind of, you just didn't talk about it. And it was only when I was doing Glastonbury with John Peel. And he used to talk about his family and his children all the time, like when in between bits. And I just used to sit there thinking, oh, my God, actually it's all right to talk about your children. You can acknowledge you're a mother or a father. And families are great and it's okay. And that was a massive turning point.

Because it wasn't, I didn't really want to mention being a mother on the evening session. It definitely didn't feel like the cool thing to do then. So I really, I definitely didn't. not talk about parenting or nappies or anything like that when I was there. What time was the evening session, seven till ten? Seven till nine, yeah. Seven to nine. How did that fit in with parenting then?

Were you basically got out of all the bedtimes? No, I missed the special evenings with my daughter. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. No, it was all right because I'd be at home. It's good for daytime, yeah. It's good for daytime, but it's not good for the evening. I mean, it's the same now. I'm still on air seven to nine, and it's really.

it's really hard on the kids. And, you know, I really miss being with them in the evenings. Sorry, I've got a kitten in the room with me now, and it's just jumping up trying to attack the leads. I'll get a kitten involved, that's fine. You might appear. Because I think with the kids, though, like when they're young, like Josh is saying,

it is a bit like hardgoing when you've got to do the bed routine and they're getting up and stuff. But when they get older and the teenagers or whatever, and they're at school, that's quite an important time because you don't really see them in the morning as they leave. They're at school all day or at college. And then if you have to go out as soon as they get in, it puts a lot of pressure on weekends.

because otherwise you just don't see them. It's pretty hard. When I was doing the live lounge, remember, after doing the evening session, and then I had Jude and Cass, and I just used to have to take them into work with me. So we'd go into the live lounge. I would literally take the television out of the kitchen, and I'd put it in the car,

and then I'd put whichever child it was, I think it was probably India, put her in the car as well. I'd drive into Radio 1. I'd take her in, give her to somebody, I'd take the TV in, I'd plug that in in the live lounge, then I'd do my show, and then we'd all go home again. That is incredible.

Because I had to. I didn't have my mum and dad around. They weren't there. They didn't live in London. And I wanted to be with them as much as possible. No iPads. No iPads. No phones.

No mobile phones. She's 33. I'll remind you. It must have been her. So yeah, it was the only thing I could do was take the TV. Get no frills delivered. Shop the same in-store prices online and enjoy unlimited delivery with PC Express Pass. Get your first year for 250 a month.

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Get the new iPhone 17 Pro at tellus.com slash iPhone 17 Pro on select plans. Conditions and exclusions apply. And did they meet some incredibly exciting people that they didn't realize were incredibly exciting? Yeah, they must have done. I've got a photograph of Jude when he was tiny with Michael Stipe. I thought he was going to drop Jackson then.

That was a cliche. There were a few people I could mention, but I'm not going to just here. He was going to run through which ones have been cancelled. We've taken those photographs off the wall. Yeah, Bill Cosby, Hawaii, Steve, and he came into town. He did a great cover, didn't he? Are they impressed by, because you have kind of, you know, been making cool radio with cool bands and solo artists for 30 years, doing Glastonbury, doing all this kind of stuff? That's quite exciting for kids, right? Or are they underwhelmed?

It's just their life. They don't know anything any different at all. So these people that they meet are just friends. Shall I say, Chris Martin, he has met them a lot of times because he's done a lot of my radio shows and a lot of charity events and things like that. So he's just someone that they know who is a really nice person. We went to Glastonbury once and I think they played on the pyramid stage and afterwards he came to say hello and he ended up, he was like, oh, where's India? Where's India? Because he'd known it for a long time. And I said, well, she's in bed in her in the caravan with Georgia, her friend. And he was like, oh, I'll go and see them. And so he went in there and ended up reading the nighttime bedtime story.

After he's headlined Glastonbury? Yeah, which was very, very sweet. Yeah, that is incredible. Some people are really famous and it's very exciting. Like Cocoa meeting Billy Eilish was a massive, massive event. For Billy Elish. For Billy Elish, yeah. She was blown away.

Are you the Cocoa Wiley? Yeah, Coco WM. Yeah, Coco WM, as she's known. But on the whole, they don't know anything different. People are people, aren't they? Is it tiring having to know what music's call? Is it tiring? Really tiring.

You just get your head round one and then that's shit and then this is the new thing. And do you have to fake it a bit sometimes when you go, right, this is a new thing. Everyone's excited. I'm not that bothered, but I've got to sound like it because everyone else loves it. Give it the full wally. I mean, I'm really lucky with my show because I play the kind of stuff that I really like. So it's not like I'm on Radio 1 now and I'm having to play stuff that I know nothing about.

Yeah, I tell you what? Greg James's face must ache. I listened to Greg this morning. He was playing a couple of things. I was like, what? Oh, God. He can't possibly know or care about all the news singers. I had that exact thought this morning.

It's weirder if he does, isn't it? The four-year-old bloke that knows what all the 15-year-olds are listening to. I'm really grateful I've got Coco who's, I mean, last year was amazing for like women singers. So from Chaparone to Phoebe Bridges and like umpteen different singers, songwriters. And so she was introduced me to loads of those because she was obsessed with them, which has been very, very handy. But, yeah, I don't play banging techno kind of stuff that I don't understand on the radio. Thank God.

Oh, that's good. One more music question. Do you ever, can you separate? Because you say obviously Chris Martin, I mean, he's well known as being a very nice man. He's lovely and stuff. No, if you're having an affair, he's not. A little grass.

Snitch. Terrell, a last bike you want to see. Can you separate the music from the people? Have you ever met, you don't need to name names? But have you met a band that you love the music of and then they're absolute wankers and it's ruined it for them?

Or does it not ruin it? Well, it ruined it for a long time and then ultimately I was like the music is just too good for me to hate them forever so I'll quite like them. Obviously, I'm not mentioning names at all and you can play a guessing game but I'm... But it's good they're back together

and playing stadiums, isn't it, Jo? It's very disciplined. No comment. And with your kids, would you consider yourself then you're saying that your daughter's talking to you about music and all this kind of stuff and obviously, you know, Chris Martin,

do you struggle to become like the normal parent? Are you down with the kids or are you kind of stern and, you know, is there a hierarchy or are you trying to be their friend? I think I am their friend. I mean, they take this out of me constantly. You know, I'm also, I'm the object. That's what you want. I'm not the cool mum.

They take Mickey out of me all the time. I think that's the best thing you can have as a parent is to be the butt of the joke, right? Yeah. You don't have been living in fear of the, you know, of the parent, like that you can't take the piss out of do you? Oh my God. No, no, no, no. That's how I want it to be. I'm absolutely. And I'm not strict. I've never been strict. I've only ever been laid back and I'll let them do whatever they like. There's never been any like major rules or we're not, we're so not uptight and we'll have loads of parties. And I think we've brought them up pretty well so

that they know what rules and how not to get into too much trouble and to come and talk to us. So I think they're obviously all very different personalities, very, very different. But no, I would I could never be the strict parents. How much you're doing for a 33-year-old that lives in your house then? Because it's almost having like a lodger because you're not really being mum. Yeah. So are you still doing the washing for them or the, you know, are you telling them to tidy their room? Or is it?

No, what's happening? She lives here with her boyfriend. So they're just buying a house. So we've now got to that stage. So her and her boyfriend Alex are living around here and they're buying a house. So at the moment, but she's scary. India is a photographer, food photographer and really good cook. So she's like Gordon Ramsey in the kitchen.

So if ever it gets to meal time, so I'm just like, oh, I'm backing off, I'm getting out of here because she will, she's got a knife in her hand. And if I, if I do something wrong, then she's trouble. It says so much about our culture that a 33 year old, like, when you were like, she's buying a house, it's like, oh, that's impressive. Like, it's so mad that it's come to the point where, like, is that difficult for people below our generation to buy a house? It's a nightmare. It's wild, isn't it? Sorry, I end up just making a political point. No, it's true, though, because only a couple of generations ago, like, my nan and grander would be like, well, I remember, I met, I met your nan when I was 17, we got married at 18. We had three kids by 25 and bought a house at 22. Yeah, yeah. How did that happen?

It's been really interesting, watching her grow up and just seeing the difference. So, yeah, yeah, she's 33. But she wanted to have a career and she's had an amazing life. She's done loads of traveling. And time, the years just go by really quickly. And you're suddenly going, oh, my gosh, yeah. And trying to buy a house in London was absolutely impossible. They're hopefully going to have a house, but at the moment they're hanging on living here, which I have no problem with. Are you loving it? I love it, yeah, yeah. I'm constantly in fear of the emptiness syndrome. Are you? Yeah. I'm you.

Yes. And my daughter turned eight. Okay. In October. And I was like, Jesus Christ, that's halfway to 16. Yeah. But do you know what I mean? You're like, we are halfway to like, six.

16 feels like the age where they're not a great, but do you know what I mean? That feels like the age where you... Well, they can buy a cigarette from a shop and walk out smoking it in front of your face and legally there's nothing you can do. Oh, exactly. They just go, yeah, that's me.

It's like a clock ticking down all the time. Oh, you know, like Coco being 17, being 17, I was like, oh my God, that really does feel old. 16 actually felt okay. Did it? Did it? Did it? You've just given Josh another year?

Yeah, it's okay. 17, then it's all over. But no, she's really happy living here. And my idea is that you make the house as fun as possible and they never want to leave. That's what we've always tried to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want a party? You can have a party.

You don't want to go to bed. You don't have to go to bed. Isn't that a bit desperate? Yeah, is it a bit desperate and pathetic? Yeah, absolutely. Because that's what me and Lou want to do. And I, but is it a point where you just like, please don't get, you know. When does it become a hostage situation?

Yeah, exactly. When do they just film? sorry for us when they're just turning up because of pity. But kids don't do anything out of pity, do they? Because kids are, oh God, I always say they're selfish, but they've got to be to survive and to be adults. They need to be selfish. But sometimes the way they behave, it is like a dagger in your heart.

I mean, they might just be saying they're going out for the night and maybe I overreact. I'm like, you're going out tonight. But I just always want to do everything with them because they're my favorite people in the world and we have so much fun. And they really like each other, like the four of them. They're each other's best friends. Have you got a WM WhatsApp group? Oh, there's loads of different ones.

There's, yeah. Oh, is there ones where some people are in and some people are out and... I know definitely there's a siblings one, which when I found out about that, I was like, sorry? Can Dad and I not be part of this? What do you say about us? We'll make this WhatsApp group fun. I've got loads of the memes.

What are you saying about me in that siblings group? That's all it is. I reckon if you read that siblings group, it would probably... be the worst day of your life. It would destroy me. Oh, it would destroy. It would destroy me. Oh, my God.

What the house rules then with people, obviously, like, there's four, like three of them living there, well, four of them with the boyfriend. And you've got a 33-year-old, obviously, come and go as she wants. But then there's a 17-year-old where there's sort of ground rules. And I imagine the ground rules for the 17-year-old are a lot more lenient than they were for your eldest. There are no rules. We've never had rules.

Well, I imagine if I asked her eldest, she would go, the 17-year-old gets away with my murder compared to me? I don't think so. I really, really don't think so. I kind of want to go and get her now to have her in here and she can join them in conversation. Or we wait till this goes out. That sibling's group's going to be flying. Oh, I know. Can you, yeah, they were like, you're doing that show. What are you going to say about us? I was like, I will say nothing bad at all, honestly. No, India would probably definitely say that, well, everybody says that because Coco is my youngest and my baby, obviously that, yeah, they probably do think she gets away with murder. But I think they've all got away with murder all their lives. I'm now paranoid

about what I'm going to say. Oh, no. Well, you know, you can only say the truth. At what age do you start charging them keep? Okay, that's the thing. Because India went to college. She went to Falmouth and had a really great time. Tough rest.

Two of my kids went to Falmouth, so we know it quite well. It's a really nice place. Did they stay there after uni? No, well, India just keeps returning. She loves Cornwall so much because she had such a great time. And Cass loves it down there as well. So, yeah, it's a really nice place. But when she came back, we've got these little, like, stable blocks.

And so she stayed in one of the flats for a while, and she was kind of commuting. And we did charge her rent. And that did not go down very well. And I don't think we're ever, ever going to be allowed to forget that. And it was kind of, it was a difficult thing in Stephen Mine's relationship, because I would have let her stay there for free. I can't bear the thought of charging our kids to do anything at all. Whereas he was like, no, we must be grown up and we must charge rent. And now India will never, ever, ever let us forget that at all.

For the others have never been charged rent? Not yet, no. None of the others have. That's the problem. This is why India's got this massive chip on our shoulders. How long was she paying rent for then? Oh, I don't know. I don't know.

A couple of years. I don't get involved in the money side of the family. A couple of years. But she's now living there rent free, so it's all fine. We're redressing the balance. Right. I imagine that, Joe, you were paying it into her account as she was paying it out because you felt so guilty. Yeah, me, yeah.

I know, I do have that arrangement. I'm so like that. And you and Zoe Ball have got podcast. which is gone huge. Yeah, no, it seems to be doing all right. Yeah, people seem to be quite liking it, which is good. It's filled a hole which didn't exist, really, which is, it's really honest in the sense of you're both at a certain time in your life that I don't think is talked about much in podcast, which is kind of, well, it's difficult to put a label on. Go on, Josh.

Yeah, yeah, what are we? What are we? On the stage of life. Late 20s, is it late 20s, I think. It is. A woman of a certain age. That difficult 30th birthday coming up. It's always a little bit of a head fuck.

39 again, I think it is. Yeah, all these people who are 39 again who are having to deal with everything that's kind of chaotic in life. So the kids growing up and how you deal with that and then trying to grapple with aging and how you look, how that changes and your body, how that feels. And then your parents and then work and your friends. and people dying and people being bought.

It's like all the crazy chaos of life that you have to deal with. You have no choice. And we just discuss that. I don't think people have heard you and Zoe talk about that kind of stuff because obviously on the radio shows where I was really talking about music in depth

or like, especially with Zoe on the breakfast show, it's like get everyone up and excited for, you know, for work and school, jolly, jolly, jolly. Whereas, you know, some of your clip, I've seen some of this stuff. And it's like really honest. And some of it's quite like heartbreaking stuff you talk about me.

It's really important things to chat about. But like, did you feel comfortable being that honest at the start? Or did it feel a bit different? Because, you know, you don't really, like you say, you never even used to talk about having kids at the start of your radio. I think we had the same thing, didn't we as well, that we got more, well, we got more and more honest as we felt comfortable with it. I think neither of us had ever done podcasts and we didn't listen to podcasts at all.

So we didn't really know what we were doing. We were just sitting. That's very rude of you. We've been plugging away for years, Joe. Legacy media, legacy stars to jump in on the hot battle. wagon with all their towers of woe. Guilty. Listen, Zoe asked me if I wanted to do it and I was like, yeah, I think so.

I keep saying I should do a podcast. And you're basically sitting in your room in your house, aren't you? So you feel really relaxed and you don't actually think, I think for about the first two months, I didn't actually think anyone would listen or watch what we were doing. So I was just talking to Zoe. And then it was only when people kept saying, I think you might have mentioned me in your podcast the other day. My 90-year-old neighbor, Roy, I was saying how we have these parties that never stop and go on all night. And I said, oh, I worry about my neighbor Roy because he's 90 years old.

And then I went to visit him when it was his birthday. And he was like, I hear you talked about me on your podcast, about the noise that you make and keep me awake all night. I was like, oh, shit. There is that feeling that you are just talking to a mate. And then I know this sounds like kind of naive and glib, but it is still a surprise when people have listened. Do you know what I mean? and people have heard what you've said about them, I think. I don't know. It's just, it's very easy to open up. And obviously, because I've known Zoe forever,

and we've had very similar lives. And we've got similar stuff going on. There are differences. I've kind of got a lot of chaos because the kids are around. And it's, I don't know, I was hearing you talk before we started to do this. And life is just so busy, isn't it? It's really manic. And trying to keep your head afloat when everything else is going on is quite hard.

And Zoe lives in a city because I'm in the countryside. So our lives are kind of parallel, but also quite different. So we've just got loads to talk about. So are you proper middle of nowhere, Joe? Well, we're outside of Milton Keynes. We're near Silverstone. We're kind of in, it's not in the middle of nowhere, but it's far enough away.

So were you ferrying your kids a lot when you were a mum, like of younger kids before they could drive? Well, to school and to clubs and stuff like that. Yeah. You have to, don't you, when you live in the country side. Every party, every party is about half an hour away. So you're like, oh, of course I'll come and pick you up at 2 o'clock in the morning. That's absolutely fine. So doing lots of that.

That's what we have to do. We're a bit further out. So it's like, it's fine because the school's like 25 minutes away, which is still fine. But then if a party or an event's happening like the other side of the school, because obviously people live however in a radius of it. It's like you can be looking staring down the barrel of like 25 minutes to the school, another 25 minutes past. You're like, this is a 50 minute journey here for an hour and a half party.

Yeah. Oh, no, you write off your evenings. Like gets to the weekend. You're like, oh, yeah, well, what will I be doing? Will I be watching? No, I won't be watching a film. I'll just be trying to stay awake. and then I'll go, I'll be going out at 1 o'clock.

But you do it. If you choose to live in the countryside, then you tend to, you kind of have to do that. I think I'll be fine with that, really, because I like a podcast. I like a drive at night. Do you? Finishes at about 11.

I'll jump in the car and go and pick them all up. I've got no, I'm quite looking forward to that, actually. How old are your kids? Well, they're 10 and 8 in a couple of weeks. 10 and 8, okay. But yeah, there's a lot of ferrying going around. Have you, like I said, you know your podcast and you've been a bit more honest and stuff? Have the kids complained about anything you spoke about?

and you've had to take it or have a longer chat with him about it because obviously you're talking about everything. Yeah. No, Jude complains that I don't talk about him enough because he quite likes attention. He's my writer. He's the artistic, creative one in the family. So he's always like, I think you've mentioned me yet. Coco is obviously quite a, you know, she's a 17-year-old girl and she's around a lot. So I'm constantly talking about her. And the other day, we had a party and the kids were just carrying on. It was half six in the morning. Did you see it? This sounded like Joe, the drama you went through in your own head is exactly how I would have

lived it as well. Yeah. What happened? I've not seen this. So where we live, we're in a barn conversion. We've got a little shed which we call the minuscule of sound and that is where people, the kids take over and they DJ when, you know, there are lots of budding DJs in my family. So they'll DJ and it'll go on all night long. It'll finish at about 7 o'clock in the morning. And when I get up in the morning, there are just bodies all over the place and there's been general carnage. It's a bit like Glastonbury after

glass and it's been packed away. It's just, it's everywhere. And it got to about six o'clock. And I was like, be the cool mum, be the cool mum, don't go downstairs, don't shout. But there were a few voices that were just so loud. And I kept thinking, oh my God, no. Had you slept at all by this point? I slept, yeah, I slept for a little bit. But then they just kept waking me up all night long. So then I had to go downstairs, put some clothes on for the sake of the kids. And I was trying to be so nice about it. And I was like, hey, guys, could you just kind of calm it down a little bit. And then the next day, Coco was like, my friends are terrified of you now. How could you have spoken to them like that? I was like, oh my God, I could have spoken to them so much worse. I just wouldn't

enjoy the feeling of having to go down and be the party poop. Like I said about my neighbour Roy, they live really close by and I was really worried. I'm always really worried. And I'm the only person who worries. Nobody else worries at all. Steve, my husband is as deaf as it could possibly be. So once he's gone, he's gone. He doesn't hear anything. I'm the one with the conscience who's worried about the neighbours. So one time, the minuscule of sound, it was really kicking off. And you could just hear it. It was like a rave. Like literally like a rave. And people from miles around were going, oh, yeah, they're having another party. And it got to about five in the morning. And I just went downstairs in my pants. And I walked into the minuscule of sound.

And I just screamed to everybody, can you just turn this music off? And all I could see was India's new boyfriend at the time, just staring at me looking like the most terrified person in the world. And he was like, yes, we'll turn it off, Miss Wiley. And that was my I love it. That was probably my worst parenting moments, like, of absolutely losing it. Yeah, and I didn't want to be that person, but then I turned into that person. Yeah, I mean, 7 a.m. at the week, like in the shed with the music. Because the sound travels in the countryside. It does. No, it does. Just the bass.

Does Roy say it's too loud? Has he ever complained? Thankfully, Roy is deaf, and he said he just takes his hearing aids out, so it's okay now. Oh, so you're making the disabled person adjust, are you? Yes. Oh, Roy seems like he's pretty chilled. Oh, he's great. No, I love Roy. He's really good. He's very chill. I never really bothered with neighbours when I lived in the city because everyone moved too much. There was too many of them. But actually, in the countryside, it's quite nice chatting to the people

that live nearby. You see, I always worry. I don't want to be that person who the taxi driver is going, I had that Joe Wiley in the back of my cab the other day, bitch. I don't want that. I'm tormented by that as well, Joe. Because what I'll do in cabs, I know this is like awful celeb chat because I don't want to be asked about what Jimmy Carr is like or why I got into comedy or all the usual questions that you get asked

I go front foot if I think they're going to talk to me and just start asking them lots of questions that's a good technique yeah musical taste I always do that yeah do you yeah which bands do you like and then you don't really have to speak then because they just talk for the whole of the journey

so that's quite useful oh yes that's good get something they're passionate about if they've got a football team air freshener, I'm away. Yeah, exactly. Just ask what you think. That is really good.

Oh, West Ham on doing very well, are they? And then I can just look at my phone. Absolutely weird. I don't know if I told this before, Josh. I was in a car once. And, you know, if you do lots of TV shows, they normally use one or two of the same companies. So you get reoccurring drivers or different companies.

I was in a car of a bloke once. I was chatting to me. He went, you're actually all right. You are? I went, oh, thanks. I went, why'd you say that? He went, well, cut the drivers think you're a prick. Joe, I feel you're on my side of the people-pleasing starter.

I am until someone makes my tea wrong. And then there's something happens inside me and I'm like the Incredible Hulk. And I hate it about myself. And this is one thing that the kids take Mickey out of me for all the time. But yeah, if someone makes me a milky tea, I'm just like, okay, don't say anything. Talk to me about your tea then, Joe. It's basically hot water. get the tea bag, you dip it in, you take it out pretty quickly after about three seconds.

Really? And you just got a tiny dash of, dash tea, I think they call it. Like a great tea? A strong tea. No, no, it's not strong tea. Joe, how would you feel if someone removed to the teabag with their fingers? Oh, I wouldn't mind that as long as it was ending in there for the certain amount of time. You grubby music lot.

You're all in caravans, backstage, dipping your fingers in everyone's PG tips. You've got a fist in your fucking twinings. I don't care. Joe Wiley's real, Rob. She lives in the country. She's birthed a cow probably. Now, I was going to say, when people do talk to you, when they do recognize you, because I do quite a lot of swimming and open water swimming sometimes.

And I really like the fact that nobody cares whether anyone is naked or not when you're doing, when you're getting changed. You know, if you go in a lake or a river or something like that or a Lido and then everyone goes into a changing room. So I was in Brighton at the weekend. We went to the Lido there. And it's like men and women and they're all getting changed at the same time. time. And there's this, like, nobody particularly cares if you're trying to put your pants on. What's this sex place you're at? Where does men and women are just getting naked together?

If people are swimmers, they just don't care. Rob would like the exact part. Have you got the what three words? So they're right. You don't have said anyone. Yes. Certainly, sir, coming to get changed. I want everyone to like me. That's absolutely fine. Not a crossword. So all the open water swimmer crew get naked, just all genders. Yeah, they just kind of get changed in little tents. And you carry on talking, you're like, oh, you're doing, you're crossing the channel and you're doing this. And everyone's just showing all their bits. And sometimes people do recognize you. And sometimes I'm thinking, I probably shouldn't be in this kind of state, really, talking to people. But it's fine. Nobody particularly cares. I can't believe I found another reason not to do

open water swimming. Right. So you're in this impromptu tent to go in the lake or whatever, yeah? You're getting changed. And the man's getting changed. Now, will the man turn to put his trunks on so you just see his bum or is he just full bush? Yeah. No, it's not full frontal. It's normally bums that you see. Bums. Bums. I think face for long and bums is,

but face on is just too relaxed. That's a European for me. What's your attitude in a gym changing room, Rob, in terms of, does this make me a prude, but I will almost put the shorts, say I've got a towel on. Yeah. I'm almost putting the shorts over the towel and then having to pull the towel out of the shorts.

No, that's too much. No, you're just drawing attention to yourself. Yeah, that's much. The message you're putting out is like, look at me, I'm too awkward and I'm too embarrassed and I've got something of a complex about my body. I've been putting that message out for 18 years professionally, Joe. Look, I don't wander around naked, but I'll stand in front of the locker, facing the locker, stripped down with my bum face in the room. Yeah. So people see my bare bum.

You could potentially get a profile shot of my dick if they crane their neck. Which I'd say is the worst angle. A terrible angle. The side on. And obviously it's been cold. Yeah. In Japan they're all naked in the toilet. We went swimming. My kids had to go in a separate one because they're girls. And if you're over six, you can't go in with your parent. But all the men were just walking around completely naked and going in this onsen thing. Like there's a jacuzzi thing and like a steam room. But like I couldn't believe how bald all of the men's bodies were apart from some of the biggest badger bushes of ever seen. And I've been around the world. I couldn't believe how thick and dense the pubic region was

compared to no hairy chests, no hairy backs. But then massive bush? Massive. Yeah, I was expected sort of fairly low-key pubic area. Is that genetic or is that... I didn't ask. You know, there's a language barrier. We're both naked.

You're trying not to look. I can point at the bush and go, how, why? But yeah, it was mad. Joe, would you ever... This is a question. So your kids are at uni or got job. You're going to ask you a question that's related to this. I'm not going to, you know,

I'm not going to throw anyone under the bus and say that some people do do this. Would you, what was your husband's name again? Mark, was it? Steve. Steve. Sorry, sorry. Steve Morton.

Come on. Steve Morton. Would you ever, if he asked, shave his back in the garden? No, I don't touch his body hair at all. Who did that? Oh, okay. Tell me the story. It's not a one-off.

Oh, I think. So Lou regularly does this for Rob. Shears him like a sheep in the garden. So I've got a really hairy chest and a hairy back, quite minimal pubs, the complete opposite of the Japanese. So no, I get hairy back. I shave my own chest because it gets so thick that the t-shirts get a bit bouncy. Yeah. It looks like a sort of, you know, like that extra level of padding on a mattress,

you know, the little mattress tupper. So I shave my front and then I can't get to my back. Lou does my back. And we normally do it in the garden and the wind just take the hair. Like a sheet being sheared, yeah You've got a hairy back Me? No, Steve

Oh, you can answer as well, do you? Is that why you're going full front of the open Split Lido, change you're looking for exclusives to clip up for Instagram We can do what you're saying? As far as I know, I do not have a hairy back. Hairy toes, but not a hairy back. Is it because it's been shaved or you've never had one?

Waxed. Me and Rob, I've heard a rumor around radio too about your hairy back. can we thought we just bring it in subtly into the conversation. I really, really hate, in India will always beat Steve's back. Like if we're having a party, if we're going on holiday, he's always like, Indy, can you do this? And she wasn't there.

So you are farming that out to the poor girl that you're charging rent for? Yes. So which runs VET? Is that? It's a cream. I've done it before, but it's stink, yeah. And then you basically put the cream on the back,

then you use a bit of plastic. So it's like a waxing. No. There's a chemical, and the hairs fall out. Oh. And you scrape it. It's like a foamy chemical that just burns the hair off and then you just scrape it off. But you can't ever get rid of the foam.

I don't know whether you will. It stinks so badly, no matter how much they say it's fragrance. And has he got patches or is it a full sort of, sorry, I don't even feel like Steve's, we're giving a lot of Steve out there. In patches, I think Viet's quite good. But if you're doing a whole bag, I fear Rob's back is such a problem that it would overpower the Vite. It's no problem. Lou did it before I went away, six weeks.

So it's once every six weeks. Lou needs to shave my back but in winter sometimes we stretch that out a bit because it's too cold to go in the garden Could I just say the way you phrase that Once every six week Lou needs to shave my back

puts it on Lou It should be once every six weeks I need my back shaved And Lou does it for me Not yes Every six Desperate to shave my back She needs it

She needs it How far down your arms Because this is what I'm always intrigued by I sometimes watch From a distance But how far down your arms do you go because that's all the point that Steve's like,

should I go any further? What should I do? So you've got a weird, like, non-hair t-shirt situation. So I've got like a little bit there, but like that is quite minimal. So it's just a quick little trim up. Oh, there's the kitten. There's the kitten.

So I haven't got really hairy arms. It's a little bit there. But the back, again, if I don't shave it, the back gets bouncy on the t-shirt. Your kids must have so much fun. I like bouncy garsal on my back. Let's go and bounce on daddy's back. So India does it for, have you never done it for Steve then?

No. No, I wouldn't. You're just not into that. It's disgusting. No, it's disgusting. Yes. And Lou doesn't want to do it for Rob. I always say, look, I'm happy to return the favor, Lou.

If you need anything to trim it, I'll go down there and get it done. She never takes you up on it. He never takes you up on it. I can trim, I can wax, I can eat, whatever you need, babe, whatever you need. Joe, have you enjoyed joining the world of podcasting? Yeah, I have, yeah, because you meet a whole, a much wider amount of people. For some reason, everyone wants to talk to me now when I go out, like maybe because I'm giving so much more of myself in the podcast. I think it feels like people know you far, not you,

one. People know you so much more through the podcast than they would if you're, you know, saying here's the new song from Fontaine's DC or whatever. Do you know what I mean? No, absolutely. I think I found that definitely is that actually the more you give across of yourself, actually it's not exposing, but actually it's quite endearing maybe. Well, you're sharing experiences, aren't you, that we're all going through. So people love to just come and chat about whatever they're going through that you've talked about on the podcast. So it's been nice. It's been really, it's good.

Apart from Harry Back, seems to be only me. I can't wait for that conversation to come up when I'm in the supermarket next time. I think Steve will say to you, well, how comes to Lou, does Rob's back, but you won't do my back? It'll be a firm fact, no. Really? It's never going to happen. Well, that little beard truce, it's a bit of fun. And it's all, like, it's quite mindfulness.

It's like adult colour and in book. India likes doing it, so it's, it works. It works. Okay, fair enough. Rob, also I've got our voice note from Lou, and I'm going to say it. I'll save it for the one where it's just us, but she doesn't like it as much as you claim she likes it. I don't claim she likes it. It's a necessary evil.

I don't like dragging three bins of cardboard out every other week because she's been shopping again. But I love her and I do it. Oh, hello, Victor Mildrew. I don't love it. But I do it. Joe, with your kids and music, because I think that's a real, It's the thing you can share with your, like, even like we were listening to the new Taylor Swift album when we're driving yesterday. And it's really nice to share that with my daughter who's singing along and that's a real touch point.

Do they have the same taste in music as you or have they kicked against you and your indie sensibilities? No, no, India went through the Spice Girls. Obviously, you can imagine I'm on the evening session and India's obsessed with the Spice Girls. And that was quite a difficult one. I had to go to an evening with the Spice Girls. I think we sound like Sir Richard and Judy at the thing and I was obviously sitting now like hiding behind my fringe hoping that nobody would see me.

So the Spice Girls was a difficult thing but I've come around to quite like the Spice Girls now in hindsight. Yeah, I think I like the Spice Girls. Yeah, I do. But no, not really. No, we like the same kind of music. We went to Taylor Swift. Did you think it was a bit long?

There was one album that she did. Was it folklore or there was... No, I love that hour in the middle because you had an opportunity. You knew you weren't going to miss anything good. You could go to the merch for the kids, get drinks for the kids, whatever. I had an hour to myself. I am all for that hour in the middle.

That hour it should go, look, if you're here with someone and you're not into this, fuck off now. You're not going to like it. You won't know any songs. Do a bit of admin on your phone. I wish you just said that. It went, look, basically, fuck off now. Come back an hour.

I'll do all the ones you know. You probably saw Steve in the merch queue because he disappeared for about an hour and came back with like armfuls of T-shirts. My thing about concert music is I just wish they're all honest about what's happening. You know what I mean? Like with your fake encores are coming, you know, because you know they're going to come back on again because they've not done that song.

They released the line up. That's a weird doorbell, isn't it? Sorry, sorry. I'm the only one in. I'm fancy. Musical. Oh, he's gone. He's gone.

Yeah, because I think, I like what Oasis did, where they said it started that. That's when cast are on. That's when they're on. We're on here. This is the songs. See you later. How much more fun's out?

Because then you can pick a song to go for a piss in. I know. Which ones? Okay. You went to Orasis? Yes. At what point did you go for a piss? Well, I know, I went for a piss in between the interval

because I knew there was that, you know, they go off, not the interval, the waiting for the encore bit. I had a quick piss then. But there was a song, what was the song that I thought was one of the Noel Gallagher ones that I was like, sorry, you didn't like it?

No, it was amazing live, but I was a bit like, half the world away. Josh, what was what was, Noel Gallagher section of Oasis? There was a song that I thought was going to be shit live, but was little by little. Yes, little by little live. It was amazing.

I know, it's a bit nothing key that song. but that was one of the biggest songs when we were there. Yeah, that caught me by surprise. That was, I've never really liked that, but it was a real moment. It was the only one they did that was post Be Here Now as well. It's like he's gone, that's the only song since 1997 that I'm proud of. No, but I think he knows it works with a big crowd. Yeah, it does.

It's one of them, one's through experience, he's gone, that always smacks, even though it's not one of the most famous ones. Do you talk to musicians about parenting? Like, would you like, if you're, like, you've got, I don't know, Richard Ashcroft in or whatever. Would you be like, how's the family? Is it or has everyone too cool for that? No, no, no.

In fact, I did that exact thing a couple of weeks ago when he was in session. Yeah, because our kids have grown up. It's really quite sweet now because the kids are the kind of similar ages and some of them have met at various festivals and things. So, yeah, and it's always interesting to talk to them about how they are. Because you get, this is why you do this podcast. You get a different side of people, don't you? Yeah, totally.

I remember interviewing Noel and him talking with so much pride about Anais and her being a photographer at the time. And it was just really lovely just to see a nice. soft side of Noel so yeah because you can't he can't keep up that act of that nonchalant megastar music genius where it's like well that you that is the mate you know the real thing that brings everyone back down to earth and whoever you are he can't go she's not as good as me which is his stock response to everything else I imagine no Gallagher's shit at photography his phone massive boomer lever case on his phone keeps getting lots out of it he took 30

incredible photos in the 90s and ever since then he's been struggling to match it's more difficult now because the people that I'm interviewing invariably are the same age as my children so now I just am the tip or two and I can't kind of go well how's your child is now you getting enough sleep yes exactly don't let it get the pressure get to you someone looking after you who's looking after the numbers yes that must be so hard because I think in music it's a much bigger thing we're like these megastars at 17 18 earning all this money and then you see them walk into a room and you must be able to judge now if they're being looked after properly or there's those leeches from the music industry all

over them. And is it hard not to just go, I don't think they've got your best. You need a break here. They're working you too hard or, you know. Oh, no, I definitely have those conversations. Just like, my main one is normally, has Elton John phoned you yet? Is Elton looking after you? Because he seems to be this kind of this godparent that's coming to so many people's lives, just checking out that they're okay, like lowly young. I was worried about her. But apparently she's living at his house, so that's okay. With Sam Fender. She fainted, didn't she on stage? Yeah, yeah. And then Louis Capaldi, obviously, he's famously you know had troubles and stuff like that so it must be so difficult to have that much

attention oh my god nightmare because but people like lily allen and amy and adele when they were starting out they had the same thing and no one really talked about it like there wasn't that much care about people's mental health or the pressures they were under you just had the enemy can you imagine did you because i did a thing and there was um an actor and they had an entourage and I would have turned up for this either on my own or maybe with my PR who I'd have thought why are you here and they had an entourage of 21 and I wanted to say to them you are paying for this yeah I know I know please understand this is not here as mates you've got 21 people on your payroll for a promo interview at best they're all on the train yeah yeah they've all got their own

Mercedes driving them over. Yeah, I know. Joe, it's been a joy speaking to you. Your podcast, do you know what? People think that there's like established, there is established podcast, but once every kind of six months one breaks through and becomes part of the kind of main furniture podcast, Digit, has done that. I'm very pleased because, you know, you and Zoe are very nice people.

And also, crucially, you know, it got us two free guests to promote it. That is very difficult for us. We always end on the same question. Rob, would you like to do the final question? Yes. Now, what is the one thing that Steve does as a parent that you think, oh my God, you're amazing, incredible, so lucky to have you as my kid's dad. And what's the one thing he does?

So you go, mm, don't really like that. That's annoying. And if you stop that, I'd appreciate it. And if he was to listen, he might also go, yeah, she's got a point there. The thing I love about him is that he's massively exuberance. And we call him disco Steve because he brings a party to every gathering. wherever we are, if we go out for dinner, if we go, any time anybody comes around, he just has so much energy and so much charisma and he's just like a big kid. And I really love that because

I quite like taking a back seat and I'm happy for him to just shine and entertain everybody. And that's why we work. But, you know, the kids love him so much because he's so much fun. What do I not like about him? It's the back, it's the back. It's the back. It's the heavy back. No, it's a selective hearing. It's the, oh, no, he can never find it. No, now I've started a list. You can never find anything ever anywhere. I'm like that.

Wear on my pants. Where is my phone? Where is my breakfast? Anything and everything. He cannot find it. And I would just literally just pick it up and just go, here it is and just give it to him straight away. And does he ask you for it as well?

Does he ask you where it is? No, he's very, very loud. So he doesn't ask. He just stomps around the house in a very loud voice just going, where is my phone? And so I could do without that in my life. But otherwise, he's brilliant. I tell you what he never loses,

is the life and soul of the party. Disco Steve, our DJ until 7 a.m. Popping around Roy is to take his hearing aids off. Take these off, son. You too, because your kids are younger. I'm almost envious of you because you have so much head of you. Like them growing up, I love every different stage of being a parent. It's just so much fun.

And I'm at the stage now, which I really, really love. But it's my kids and they've now got partners. So they've become part of our extended family as well. So it's like the family just, it grows and it grows. Grand kids as well. And yeah. It's not far off. God, I can't wait.

I really can't wait. But it's just like this party that gets bigger and bigger and bigger with more different interesting characters coming in all the while. It's just the best thing in the world. You've got four kids. If you say all of them have two each, it's a lot of fucking babysitting that, isn't it? Oh, no.

I can't wait. We're coming into Radio 2 with me. In telly in the boat. No, this worked for me when mine were young. I'm bringing the telly. Uncle Dermott's going to do a dance. for you. I've got down as dancing.

Is anything else short to promote apart from the podcast? Is anything else? Oh, 90s anthems. You could mention that. The gigs that I do. This sounds like my scene. Talk to us quickly.

Well, I'm not doing my show Monday's Thursday. Then invariably on a Friday night, I'll be somewhere in the country doing the 90s anthems. And that's really taken off as well. Like the podcast, it's just hit a nerve. And there are so many people

who grew up listening to Pulp and James and Oasis and all my rape. Oh, my God. Inject it into my veins. So how does it work? Talk me through it. Is this like a like a, sort of a theatre that we would do, that kind of gig. Rob, she's doing similar theatres.

So you're doing the G-Live. You're doing Cambridge Corn Exchange, York Barbican, Cliffs Pavilion, South End, all the ones we know, Rob. And they're seated. Are they seated downstairs and upstairs? It varies. It's better if they're not seated because everyone dances. They take the seats out, so everyone's dancing.

Oh, brilliant. It's quite a show. We've got like massive screens and lots of effects going on. So it's really, really brilliant for nostalgia. We show loads of old videos and TV stuff Intercut with the music Why do we waste time talking about your podcast to your kids I want it in 50 minutes of this chat

Josh will be there at your G live Excellent The cheese and grain in Frome I'm going to be there on Friday They are ravaged That's sold out Joe, that's sold out I know But don't worry you're coming back

Yeah yeah yeah I've been there like every year For the past five six years Actually you're coming back the following October So it's difficult I won't book it in quite yet because it's difficult to know what I'm up to on the 2nd October 2026, but you know. But I can put you on the guest list any time. It's fine. You don't have to get tickets. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Do you ever do Exeter?

No, we haven't done South. Have I done Exeter? I'll speak to my agents. I'll speak to the school Steve, honestly. Do you ever do London? We're trying to get a London date in. I'll see if I can make that happen for you as well, Rob, so it's nice and easy for you. Or Bromley Churchill. Never played there, never been asked to. They're really, really fun nights out. People just like reliving their youth. what it is, with the mates that they used to go to uni with, they kind of get together, have massive reunions. My bars apparently sell more than most people's, but there's so much

money spent at the bar. Yeah, that's why I keep getting asked back. Oh, my word. They love a drink, those 90s kids. Oh, my word. There's a Spotify playlist on your website. I'm going to listen to that while I work this afternoon. Okay, enjoy it. Cheers, Joe. Take her, bye. Joe Wiley. There we go. I love Joe Wiley. She's nice, didn't she? She looks insane. sounds exactly the same as when I was 10. Not me when I was 10. No, no, you're different now.

Yeah. You're a different beast. You're all man. I didn't look like Joe Wiley when I was 10. That would have been quite an odd. Same color hair. You was very blonde. I was very blonde.

She's kept her blonde. Different voice, though. She's got, you know, the perfect voice for radio. Would you say she's husky? And you've got the perfect voice for a cartoon character. Tell her to my fucking agent. Well, you do our big lizard. I do all Big Lizard, yeah.

Is it called Big Lizard? It is called Big Lizard. Yeah, Big Lizard is me getting something wrong, like... Yeah, yeah. It's Godzilla, Rob. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was in Godzilla, yeah. Jurassic Park 3.

Josh Whittaker does the voice of Godzilla in Godzilla. Spread it round. Josh, you're going to be all over that 90s show, ain't you? Oh, God. If only she was coming to accent. Now, the London-centric media, Rob, don't get me started on the London century. Fromm's near you, isn't it? Yeah, it is.

Go there. Yeah, I will. Went in Frome. That's what I'll say. no fun Oh that's I can't believe I've never done

that as an opening joke in Frome When in Frome See you next week Josh Bye