Rob Beckett and Josh Widdicombe's Parenting Hell - S12 EP24: Chantel Nash

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

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Hello, you're listening to Parents in Hell with... Trixie, can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. Can you say Josh Widdickon? Josh Wittenden. Love it. Wittickham. Joe Wittaker.

Can you say Rob Beckett? Rob Beckett. Josh Wittaker. Oh, good job. He's loving life. Finally sending in our intro from Beatrix, Trixie now 5 and Max now 8. There was two of them. Beatrix Trixie?

Beatrix, in brackets, Trixie. Because Trixie is. a shortening of Beatrix, which I've only just realized. Trixie, Beatrix, Trixie. And what's the... A Max, which is short for Max. My husband and I are from the UK, but moved to Texas back in 2016. Oh, got me for work.

Not for me, thank you very much, but fair play. That's their lie. I know, but I just don't want to live in a Southern American state. I know, I know, but I'll just, you know... How would you get on in Texas with all the guys? Would you put a cowboy hat on? It just feels very alpha for me, Texas When I was in Nashville, have you been to Southern States of America?

I've been to like New Orleans, where's that? I don't know. That is quite sad. But when I was, but in Texas they will... I've been to Texas. Have you, when? I went to NASA. For what?

Doro Breen had a short-lived science show. This shows how much money there was in TV, 15 years ago. Why is your phone up like that still? Because I was reading this. Oh, sort of the rest of it, sorry. I'll read you this, I'll tell us. tell you about my trip to Texas. If you, if you wouldn't mind.

I'm from Sidcup. Oh, Sid Cup. There we go. I don't Cid Cup. So her husband, Darren, is from that Welsh place with a really long name. Avon de Veregogon. Yeah. Landfapu, Gwyn, Ligigigar de, Gerdit, Chibwin, Droblen.

There's four hours in a row. People will be thinking their playback has gone to 0.5. There's four L's in a row. Get your chops around that one, Robert, she said. We discover the podcast after a lot, but down, but cannot live without it. No. Especially the episodes where we hear from Lou and Rose. Stay sexy and relatable, Nat.

Nat in Texas. So you went to Texas. They wear cowboy hats and suits, the businessman. Yeah. That's fun. It's a bit fun, isn't it? That'll go in the pro column. If you were there, go and moving here, what do you like about it?

You'd probably move to Austin, wouldn't you? Because that's like the slightly trendy bit of Texas. Yeah, well, I went to Dallas. Oh. Because that's where NASA is, isn't it? I thought NASA was in Florida. I went to some NASA thing in Dallas. NASA in Dallas? Let me have a look.

Or in Texas. I thought all of it was in Florida. No. Houston. Houston, we have a problem. Oh, God. You didn't go to Dallas. Went to Houston. That's why it says Houston, we have a problem.

It's NASA. And it was filmed. It looked like top gear. You know, like it was filmed. in like a cool room and Dara was like stood up. Oh yeah. And like people were grouped around. That was his robot wars era as well.

Yeah, it must have been. But it was that era when we started, when there was loads of shows for us to do. Yes. To go and do little bit parts. To go and do little bit parts. And there was then smaller panel shows like, Don't sweat the small stuff.

Viral tap. Yeah, all of those. None of these things exist anymore. And Dara Brew and Science Club had so much money. seemingly, that I got sent to Texas for two nights. Oh, to go to NASA? To go to NASA, to do a VT, like a, what would you call that if you weren't using the word VT? Like a video, like a video.

Yeah, yeah, basically. Cut down to two minutes to go on O'Brien's show. About whether we were ever going to go to Mars. And they thought Josh Whitaker was a man to send to Houston to find out. Yeah. Wow. And are we? So when I went, I imagine it's changed a bit since then.

Yeah. The general theory was, as things stand, I can imagine a situation where you could develop the technology to send people to Mars, but not get them back. Perfect. So it would be a one-way mission. Yeah, exactly. But you go, it's like emigrating but not having the money to fly back. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

Yeah. But that's the, that is the news on Mars as of 2014 or whatever it would have been. Right. and then Darabirin was stood in a studio so thank you Josh I know I think I had to go into the studio and then chat about my experience I'm going to say it

yeah today's guest isn't Darrowbrine we should be clear oh no we've gone very Darrowbrin heavy off the back of a lady but you know what he's back on Motte the week Mot the week's back but we're not talking about Darabirin we're to my Chantelle Nash

yeah so she's brilliant she's done some support for me on tour she's a great stand-up on the way up in an exciting manner. Yeah, she's brilliant, and a parent and very new as well. She's still got a job. Well, yeah, she's in that difficult period of like, you're brilliant at comedy, but you're still

connecting with people and getting all the jobs, and you can't, and taking that, we can talk to about it, that financial jump to go, like, when do I go for it? And it's a lot, it's a lot different for her, because she's, we took those jobs. She's got a proper job. No, I was going to say, it's a lot different for her to what it was, certainly for me and you,

in that she's got two kids. kids. Exactly. So the money's more needed. So actually it's not like, do you know what I'm going to do. You know the John Bishop, Paul. Let's ask about that.

All right. And I want to know what you're like on tour. And if she knows it, you finger a tea bag when you make a tea. Thank God you finish that sentence. That's why I'm a prior. Send me to Mars. So how old your kids? They are seven and four.

Well, first of all, Shantel Nash, welcome to the podcast. We should do it proper. Yeah. It's because you know each other so well. Well, not so well. It's our first time. It's your first time. Yes.

Hello. Thank you very much. I'm Shantan Nash. And you know Josh from doing his tour support? I do know Josh from doing tour support a couple dates in the home counties region. We've done quite a few. I reckon, I reckon, is it that many? Feels like it.

Okay. Thanks, thanks, Josh. He's really good at making our guest fin it is. So comfortable. So welcome. But no, we have. We did that really hot one in Bedford. Yeah, there was that hot one in Bedford.

It was boiling. Absolutely boiling. Yeah, they were hot. If I'm honest. And they put Karen from Strickley in the front row. Oh, yeah. That was a good one. Yeah, that was a good one because I met Karen from Strickley.

So thank you very much for being my gateway. My gateway drug to Karen, which was very nice. Gateway drug to Karen is gin and six years of age. But yes, I'm sure I've got two kids. They're six, no, seven, seven and four. And so my daughter called Etta is seven and my son Otis is four. And Etta turned seven in January. So fresh seven.

Oh wow. Yeah. And my son's birthday is in October. And he's starting school in September? Starting school in September. Desperate to get to school already. He's been at nursery for like two years because it's like a school nursery. And there are days where he will like, you get to the school, you kind of turn right for nursery, turn right for nursery.

And there are days where he will like break through from my grip and run to the reception door and just try to break into the classroom. It's like because all of his friends from the year before I've already got up to it. So he's like, try screaming his friend's name. Like, let me in! I just want to see. So this is going to be the least stressful first day at school through? The least stressful transition. The most stressful thing would be if he doesn't get into the school.

And that's going to be. Oh, no, my God. You said something beforehand, which we've never covered before, which is your children do child modelling. Yes, they do. So how did that happen? So that happened with my daughter. Is it like, because Kate Moss was like walking along the tube, wasn't she?

And someone said, you've got to become a model. Yeah. It's hard to be a talent spot off. children models is it creepy just trying to get that body odour the long hair the look somebody once actually at a train station um i was on my phone and they came over and i was like oh um excuse me do um know anyone who would do modeling or would you do modeling and i looked up and it was like or if you've got any friends who would like to like it like it took one look at me was like no actually if you got if you got mates i was like okay thanks um so yes my kids uh you're

do child modelling. So basically my daughter was born and obviously like anyone else you think your child is the most beautiful thing in the world because you're, as a woman, particularly, you're genetically, hormonally hardwired to think that because, really if there's anything else in the world that caused you the amount of pain that a child has, you'd kill it on sign. Yeah, exactly. You would, but no, it's like, oh, it's so beautiful. So basically my partner, Richie was like, she's a really cute. She's a really cute baby. She's a really cute baby. He's like, yeah, of course she's cute. And he did kid modeling when he was little. I've not seen Richie. Is he fit?

is a dynasty. Oh, I think he's lovely, but you know, I have a type. But he was basically, when he was a kid, he was the face of the, I don't ever say this actually. It's that the Cream Egg McFlurry when it launched. You can say that. Yeah, I don't know if you might have to pay McDonald's $10 million. No, no. I'm trying to say that.

I'm going to Google the Cream Egg McClurry launch. Yeah, you might go to find it. So I've got like a four-foot bus poster of him, age 13, in our house. And it's going to be, it'll be going up. So he was like, you know, I did modelling. They could do modelling. And so we reached out to the child model agent that he was with. And they were still in business at the time.

And they were like, sent over a picture, a number of her. And they're like, yeah, we'll take her on. You know, it's, you know. No, and just get off their nose, is it? No, it's like, yeah, we'll have another one to add to the cattle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the main criteria for being a baby model is just being a baby. That's it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was a baby model? She was three months. She was three months. Three months, yeah. She did loads of, she does stuff. She did stuff for boots. She was in a center parks advert.

She's got a TV credit before me. That is the truth. And does she still do it or is it just as a baby? So she does it. Her model agency, they decide to retire. So we need to find her a new wage. If anyone would like to... 10% of my job.

And so what's it like when your child's... What's the day like? The day it wouldn't like when you've got to... You know, self-tapes come in. And the weird things... Self-taste? Yeah, for kids. The weird thing is...

For babies? Yeah, so you have to like... You go. They've got to rename that, mum tape or dad tape. You can't call self-tape. Yeah, it's self-sept, but you don't remember yourself. But you've got the baby on your lap and you've got to say this is, you know, so-and-so there. And actually, in baby modelling, it's not obviously about your measurements and your size.

It's length. We're looking for babies that are between 55 and 106 centimetres long. No, not that bigger distance, surely. No, sorry. That's too big a gap. That's me. It's me and my. 55 to 106.

Enormous children. Honey, I shrunk the baby. You probably had to get one. got it. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, that's not right at all. But yeah, so baby's that big as what we're looking for. And so you self-tape them? Yeah, so you'd have them on your lap and you'd say this is

Etta, she's X age, she's this length and then a close to the face or one of the hands whatever they want. And then sometimes it would be like a picture or a video of them doing something. So there was ones where it was like for a food advert so you've got to show videos of your kids eat in ice cream messily or something like that. And then there are other ridiculous

ones that were like, if your child can say X thing at 6 things, months you're like no most kids can't do that but the thing with Richie was he was like he's always had enormous faith in our kids and so he he's a mumager he's the Christianer people think it's me it's not me oh he's to push it what does he do he's an electrician living vicariously through the kids did you want a camera modelling no he didn't he chose to go with football he wasn't that sore about it but he just has immense faith in them yeah and so not in a pushy like insane way

but is that you know three months in get me on the camera come on get on on it. Get self-tapped. Come on off, get working, get grafted. Get those hands out, Alan, get the tape measure out. And it wasn't. You have the tape measurer. And she did a self-tape for this series for Sky. And they were looking for kids who could, age, I think, three or not, but could look two. And she was, wasn't even two at the time. And they had, like, lines that she had to do, this character.

And I've got the self-tip of her doing these lines at, like, under two. And, like, Richie's feeding other lines, like, doing the bits back. And she's like, okay, at this time. if we could try a little bit more like really going into it ultimately she got the job no yeah and she was happy to do it because she's like she's very girly she's very confident outgoing there was no point where she was like upset and she did it so when otis was born two weeks after he was born she had to film um this sky tv show so richie went off with her for two weeks to be on set uh what was the show it was midwich cuckoos oh yeah we advertised that on this

yeah did you yeah oh no yeah yeah yeah Full circle, the old midwitch cookies. Yeah, yeah. So she was, she was in that at too. And so is there loads of rules when you're on set? Yeah, they can only work for a certain amount of time. So it's like an hour or 45 minutes and then the baby needs a break. So they have to be really quick.

That's in my contract as well. So yeah, that's the real thing. What's the rules of that? Because like, they have to have a separate bank account and does the money go into their, so the parents, so what other rules are they like than tax? You're never earning that. much money in a year average of child modeling. You're not making big bucks. The first thing that her age at the time said is like she's not going to get cast in these tenders. You can't

quit your job. I wasn't thinking about that, Sally, but cool. So yeah, you have to have a bank account registered in their name and any payments have to be made out to them direct. So either by check or direct debit to their own bank account. And so you can't have access to it. So yeah, they've had kids of both have bank accounts since they were tiny. With Otis, I remember. Did he do modeling as well? Yeah, he was on the books. loves it, do you? Yeah, I remember giving birth and... Richie had the tape measure out.

The agent messaged and was like, congratulations, like I've heard the baby's born. We have just had a request for a Saudi bank and they're looking for a range of babies. They haven't cast the dad yet. Could you send a pick? So literally in the hospital, I was like, there's a baby. Like minutes old already on the job.

Wow. He didn't get the job. I think they cast a different, a different colour of dad. So how, so, because I'm fascinated by this, because I had friends who I did acting when they were like, there's always a kid at school that does that child modelling or acting or whatever. But like the weird thing in that, the way it's all changed now is where like people's kids are on Instagram or TikTok all the time.

And it's, you know, fair enough, they're just filming and do something funny. And it's put up just, and that's it. But some are like, you know, you see these like, you don't have your kids on Instagram, do you? No, sometimes. they'll pop up on like a carousel of pictures but yeah literally on a carousel of things but I'm never putting them up intentionally like oh this is a yeah well some of the reality styles put up like oh thanks and it'll say it's oh for

example something like Johnson's bubble bath or something and it'll be an ad and it'll be hashtag ad oh thanks brilliant the kids love it and the kids are just like in the bath in the photo and like that child's doing an advert for a bubble bath like and you can see them in a bath like so where does that and the mum's getting paid for that Yeah. Say, you know, say they're getting five grand for that. Yeah. And it's going straight to them, but they're not even in the, they're not even in it.

Yeah. It's, it's weird. I don't, I don't know where the mood of grand, because I always think that, like, surely there are rules to this. Like, how do you break that down? Because when we were with the agency, we got stuff for family work. So it would have to self-tape as a whole family. Yeah. And we did an advert for which, for like, he said, rituals in one bit.

I did, I had to run into the sea. It was mental. Anyway, and the kids. Is that a video? It's not, it might be a video, actually. No, it's not a video. Can we find that? You can find the picture of it.

Which, which me in a blue circus. We'll drop it in and it'll be on our Instagram. Which me? Is that the film? So it's called, like, which the company. It was like a summer campaign they did. It's a still. I was on the side of buses.

Like, yeah, it was mad. My friends were like, what is this? It was like, it was for the kids. So I had to pay to go to uni. That was why. But basically. So is it all going in like a uni fund? Yeah, basically.

Yeah. She's made, she's paid a couple years. off already. Oh wow. Yeah, but she did a wet wipe thing that came good and because the buyout for like print stuff if it gets used again you get a bonus. Yeah, so every now and then we just get a little thing through from the wet wipe thing that's kind of good. And it all just goes into her account. That's amazing. Into her account yeah. Yeah, so they're just gobbling it up these people on social media. I don't know what's

happening there. I don't feel right about it personally but I only legitimate channels. Absolutely. No, not questioning you're not. No. Just saying know as an expert in the field you may have because i always look at them at events and go who's getting the money yeah no but you you have to and for that so for that which one we we got paid a kind of an overall fee yeah and then we just put it in the kids accounts oh right sorry respect me mom running into the you know the sea yeah you're the one taking the bullet there you're in a swimsuit running to the sea were you were you swimsuited up oh swimsuited up on the side of a bus and i didn't know it was like oh

and the kids are getting paid it's a beach family day out was the shoot and And then the day before, they're like, how are you in open water? I can't swim. You can't swim. The purpose of people listening to this audibly, I'm black. I don't swim. All right? So I can't.

And they're like, oh, would you feel okay going? It's like, not really. And then on the day, they're like, so the shoe is, you're all a bunch of mum friends. You've taken to open water swimming. You're going to run into the sea. And then we're going to run out again. You're not going to go in, just going up to, you know, chin height. Oh, my God.

you're going to run in and we were in this Did you tell them you couldn't swim? Yeah, and they're like, you don't have to You're just going in You just wading in

And it was like in It was obviously To look like summer But filmed in like March Yeah Yeah And wherever it was Somewhere

And your kids are there with you Kids are with us They're there in like They're in the kind of catering tent With a chaperone Me and Richard Tag teaming in

Because the chaperones Everything is everything As well You've got to leave your kid With somebody Who's like Legally qualified To watch them

And then we're in this This fan And we're all like talking With other women And We were actually talking about quite like emotional things about like anxieties and kind of female bodies and changes in menopause and all this stuff. And it was really like heartfelt conversation. It was like, oh, you know, thanks for sharing that about, you know, your life and your struggles.

There was a lady who was deaf and it was a really lovely moment. And the door flies open. It's like, hello ladies. My name's Brian. I'm from the R&LI. I'm going to talk to you about riptides. Like, what? Riptides?

I didn't think I was going to like get sucked into the, you know, North Sea or wherever it was. But anyway, Google it. You'll find me. Oh, wow. Okay. When I sell my business, I want the best tax and investment advice. I want to help my kids, and I want to give back to the community. Ooh.

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you started stand up up really soon after you take your first kid, right? I did. Yeah. Can I quickly ask that about swimming before we guys and say that? Yeah.

You can't swim. Can Richie swim? He can swim. He can swim. Yes. They can swim. Richie is, he loves taking them swim in.

This is how I think he's insane. You guys tell me if this is insane. Go. Richie loves swimming and he, I don't. He would take both the kids swimming. Etta would have been like four and I just would have been two,

like that, wherever the age gap is. He'd take them swimming on his own. Two kids. I do that. Two kids at that age. Yeah. I thought they were rules. Yeah, but you can't swim.

Exactly. It's nuts to me. I would take them up in a plane on me own. So would you take a two and four year old swimming? Yeah, I mean, if, like, Lou was there, it would be helpful if she came, or sometimes she'd come and she'll sit in the calf and then I'd bring them back out to the but I would happily go, if I had them for the day, I'd take them. I'd take them swimming.

Wow. It's fun. I love the poor and then that ties them out and... Super dads. No, I'm very weak swimmer anyway. Well, I think the issue you took on here is you can't swim properly. You can't swim. He can't swim properly.

But no, I can't. But with the swimming, he was like, I want to teach them to swim. I'm their swimming coach. And, you know, Etta would learn to kind of swim on a tummy underwater, to roll over and breathe. Roll over and breathe. That's how we did it. And I was like, do you think they should have like proper swimming lessons?

learned a stroke. He was like, excuse you. I'm their coach. I can, they can swim. How would you know? You'd never been in a pool. They could swim fine. I was like, okay.

I got really offended at the mention of swimming lessons. So is he quite, I'm going to push my kids? In a way, he just has immense faith in them. He doesn't believe there's anything they can't do. And it's not pushy in that regard. But it's just like, here are all the things you could do. Or if they show any kind of mild interest in things. Like they were, Etel and Otis were, Etel was in boxing club from two and a half.

and Otis was in boxing from free. Like, together, they spa. They spa. They spa, yeah. They went to a boxing gym in Temple St Mary, and they, it's a really good boxing gym, and they'd go, and they'd let the kids, head guards, you have mouth guards, you know, heads and stuff,

and let the kids spar. But where it is... Is there knockdowns when they're sparring? Yeah, there were. I think it's young for sparring, two and a half. They'd spar, like, well, Otis would, people would have to, like, Otis would have to attack, and they'd have to block Otis.

So nobody was out to punch him. It was more like defensive. But where Etta was six, she'd do the proper sparring. And I remember she went, he's like, Daddy, I want to do the sparring. I want to do it. And it's like, are you sure, eta? You're going to get punched in the face. Because in this boxing gym, there were lots of young kids from the travelling community.

Yeah. Great. Who were like on it. But they're brilliant. That's part of their culture is the fighting. On it, right? And I was like, Etta, you're sure? You're going to get punched in the face.

She said, yeah, I want to do it. So went on Amazon. You have to bring your own mouth guard. So, gum shield, sorry. So she got her her a gum shield, got her a thing, hey, gonna get in the ring. She did, and she was just chasing her around, basically. And then she got one swift, thump to the face.

And then she kind of stepped back. And she was like, went back in, ringing the bell, saw it for the end. And then it finished the kind of little round. She was like, you know, 30 second ring. Were you watching? Well, yeah. I was like, oh, my gosh.

She's been punched the face. God, that must have been 10. And she, you know, the bell went, and she came over to the time. I'm like, you're okay. So she was like, yeah. I'm okay, but to cry. He's like, Daddy says,

push through the pain barrier. Oh, God. No, no. Bless her. But she loved it. And so the kids were like... The other kid there with a vest on, bare knuckle.

Yeah, bare knuckle. Like, absolutely loving it. It's amazing, though. Yeah. And then at home they're like, can we spa? And they get their gloves out and they have a little sparring match. Not because we're like, fight each other.

But they're like, can we please have a go? We're like, yeah, right. We only hit when we're in boxing and it's control. Yeah, and you learn all your things and she knows her upper cart and her jab and her her defences and she's you know both footage It's like it's really good

Are you tempted to learn to swim now that they're swimming So for holidays and stuff like that or I mean I like the out rob I'm not gonna lie Because you've already got the out I mean I can't swim I would if I could but I don't swim Oh I'll drown You want me to drown I did try swimming lessons my sister's a little sister's an amazing swimmer

And I tried to learn and we would go every Sunday It's like a little thing to bond And it got to a point for it she's like some people aren't built to float. She was like, you can't do it. It just doesn't work. I was like, I'm okay with that. I don't intend to ever be on a cruise ship.

No. I've seen your stand-up. I think it's only going one way. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Josh. What was your question about that? Sorry, I interrupted you about swimming. Oh, you started stand-up really soon after having a kid, right?

I did. Yes. So I started stand-up in 2022, and my son was born in 2021. want. So I started stand up because of postpartum depression effectively. Oh really? Yeah, never diagnosed, but you know when you're feeling down and you know, you know when you're not 100% and it was after obviously COVID and I've been on furlough and you know just been at home. And what was your job at that time? At that time I was an event producer at the Royal Opera House. Oh wow. So I had a really amazing job and obviously very creative and in the arts. So it's, you know.

It was a nice job. It was a really nice job. And then obviously because of a. of everything stopped and was on furlough so I wasn't working and I had you know eta who was 18 months at the time so I was kind of just at home potty training the child and being very much um a parent and actually listening to this podcast when it first started was like it's so trippy that i'm here actually if i really really deep it's really really trippy because this has been going longer than you as a stand up yeah it's like 20 22 yeah so it's very much like 2020 in lockdown yeah you're saying 2020 lockdown um so basically yeah so i was on furlough it's like you're starting to

to have another kids because we're like, why not? Nothing better to do. You can still get the Matt Leavis, it's all right. And so we had another one. And then it got to like, he was born in the October and it got to the January. And Richie was like, oh, do you know what?

You've been doing loads in the house, like, because you've been off. I'm going to, you know, help out and do some stuff. And him, that change of like him trying to help threw me off so much. Because effectively what I'd done is I'd put so much emphasis on my role in the home and being a mum.

He was the main default parent. He felt, yeah, that I, him helping, I was like, I've lost my purpose. I don't know what I'm doing. And I don't have a job. I don't even do the washing anymore. I'm like, what am I here for? I've been looking up to the kids now because Richie's doing more of it. Yeah, like, what am I even here for?

And I had a complete, like, just breakdown, basically. And I said to him, I was like, I'm really not okay. I don't know what to do. And he was like, okay, well, what's your wildest dream? And somewhere in the back of my mind, I never really thought about this as a, He was hoping swimming, wasn't he? He was hoping swimming. Lifeguard.

Was his hope. I was like, to be a stand-up, do stand-up comedy, to be a stand-up comedian. He was like, okay, well go and do that then. That's your challenge. And so because I'm like, I've said something, I've got to do it. I've started so I should finish. I went and I found a comedy course that you can do. Booked it, didn't tell anyone I was doing it other than Rich.

It was like every Sunday for six weeks in like the, in about eight Easter time. And I did it. And then at the end you have like a sharing, a showcase thing with, you know, friends and family come. It was at backyard comedy club in Bethanyl Green. I didn't invite any of my family, none of my friends. Nobody knew I was doing this. It's just for me.

And I went and I did it and it was really good. So Richie wasn't there either. Just no one. She wasn't there. Nobody was there. Totally your thing. Totally my thing. And I went and I really enjoyed it.

And my comedy teacher at the time, Mr. C, before I went on, he was like, before you go on, he was saying nice things to everybody. I'll carry out this. He was like, you have to do this. You don't have a choice. You're too good to not. So just enjoy this. But you've got a carry.

which is a nice thing to hear. He might have said it to everyone, to be honest. But it was nice to hear. But you walk out, shoulders up and then it goes, now you, you've got no choice. You've got no choice. You have to do this. And so I was like, oh, I really enjoyed it.

That was fun. I'd like got some laughs. It was good. It's a safe environment. And so then I did a few, okay, this is my thing. I would do one like open mic gig a week just to keep my finger. Like doing Pilates.

Yeah, like doing Pilates. Exactly. And so I did that. I just, you know, random gigs on, you know, comedy, Facebook groups, looking for stuff, open-minded things. Did you enjoy those gigs more because you weren't thinking of it? Like, I imagine when we both started quite swiftly, we were like, right, this is what I'm going to do. And we're doing loads of gigs.

It wasn't like a whole. We weren't, let's do one a week like Pilates. No, because I had nothing else in my life in a way if you had so many responsibilities in a job and a family. It was an escape for you, right? Yeah, there wasn't a hunger to be a stand-up comedian. It was just like, oh, this is the thing that makes me happy. and I think I'm okay at it, I'm going to just do this thing that makes me happy

and I think I can do. And so I did that and then that was it like the June and then in the September I was like, okay, well I'll be doing like the kind of pub gigs. How do you get on a proper club? Like how do you get a spot? And the one of the ways to get a spot at a proper club is to do a gong show or like a comedy, you know, competition thing

where you go up and you've got five minutes and if you make it to the end of the five minutes without somebody waving a dildo in your face or literally smashing a gong, you um the audience members get given cards so if three go up you have to get chucked off the stage

does that dildo on a real example yeah that was a real one at the time I can't remember what it's called so everyone lifted a dilder if they wanted you to leave yeah the audience got given massive dildos and they just kind of wave yeah Lou does that sometimes

and I have to leave the bedroom that's my time now Rob this is right for Lates three men holding cards in the corner you can leave time to pull in the big guns time for for me to enjoy it

Yeah. This is for me now. In terms of getting the job done. Yeah, so I did apply for one of those. And I did okay. But the thing is, with me, Richie, my partner works nights. So I have to be home by certain times

so we can go to work. So what are his hours? He works. He leaves for work at half ten and he gets home at about six in the morning. So it's actually quite difficult to do stand-up comedy with a man who works nights

because it's quite, you know, a late night profession comedy. Yeah. And so I did this... I think you're the first comedian I've met whose partner's got less socially except to our other comedian. Yeah.

How does he work at the weekends? Does he readapt? It kind of barely. It's killing him, Josh, if I'm going to be honest. It is, it is. But it's not easy. How old was he been doing it for? He's doing shift work.

So we do like five days on nights, five days off, five days on days, five days off. Switch it. And then he went to four nights, I think about three years ago. And so he, Yeah, he leaves work at half-ten, gets back at six. And then his working week is Sunday night to Thursday night,

and he's off Friday night, Saturday night. So that's his week. That's an intense. Brutal, isn't it? And so because he works night, he does school pick up, taking the kiss to clubs, doing dinners, getting them ready for bed. Because I get home from my regular job at about seven.

And so I'll do, maybe do bedtime or whatever. Desperate for the youngest to go school full-time, really? Yeah. So we get a couple of hours, Kip? Well, he's already at school full time. Oh, so he's in a nursery full time as well. So he gets his sleep. So when does Richie sleep?

So he sleeps. He gets in at six. He normally stay up for a little bit to kind of like wind his brain down. And then he'll get into bed. And then I'm up out of bed at about quarter to seven-ish to get the kids ready for school. So everyone's like, I get dressed in the dark every day because he's asleep. Yeah. And then, yeah, he sleeps from.

I can tell. All right. Wow. Wow. Come on. This is. All right. What's wrong.

Patricia? Yeah, I do like that. I do like that. I appreciate it. Somebody made this for me. That's a comment. Is that bouquet? Yeah.

Highseif bouquet. She's my spirit guide. Yeah, so that's when he sleeps. He sleeps from back. And you drop the kids off. I drop off. And then you go to work. And then he gets him from school.

Yeah. So he's got, he sleeps as a bit of food, whatever, then gets him clubs, whatever, puts him to bed. Yeah. Then he goes to work. Then he goes to work. It is brutal. It is brutal. Put your last leg schedule into perspective, isn't it?

Well, I'm always, you know, I'm a no buffet for life, but I take it, Rob. I don't tend to complain. He doesn't whang on about how tired he is. No, not at all. You're not a martian anyway, Josh. Not at all. We're tired for people with cushy jobs. Real people working nights.

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Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years. And so I did this gong show. It finished really late. I did well. I got through it. And then they're like, oh, you've won a bottle of Prosecco. And I was like, okay, great, thanks. I grabbed it and then ran off home because I was late.

And then they put a clip of that show on socials. And it went kind of viral. Yeah. At Christmas time, I remember being at my mother-in-law's, My sister text me was like, you're going viral. And I was like, I'm glazing a gammon. I don't know what you're all about. What does that mean?

And it did very well. And then off the back of that, I got invited to do like a five by five comedy thing that I think. What's five by five? So it's like five new comedians get five minutes each. But I had no idea what that was really or what that meant. I was like, okay, sure, I'll come and do this gig. And so I went and I did it and that went well.

And then they messaged me, I'd love to come and see you again. And I was like, weird. I was like, okay, where are you gigging? Losers? Yeah. Have you not got lives? Why me? And so I was like, I'm gigging at this, you know, open mic in a pub, wherever it was.

And then two people came down and they're like, we love to have a coffee with you. And I was like, yeah, I can do. You're going to have to meet me at my office, though. And they're like, yeah, we'll come. And so they came to the opera house and I had a coffee with them. And you had no idea what was going on? Not really. I had a clue by this point.

I kind of done to Google. But I was like, I didn't really know, like, okay, but what does this? mean like you're not like are you are you going to sign me? Because most people search for agents and tap them up and ask for it but they're hunting you down. Yeah and I was like do you okay are you going to sign me and they're like not not officially yet

we're like we want to give you some work and help you out and develop your career and I was like okay cool and I remember actually listening to this podcast and obviously mention of flow is you know the elusive flow I don't know Josh's therapist slash agent

And so these two people from from co-be are like, oh, we're also bringing our colleague Flo. And I was like, not the Flo. At that point, I'd done a bit of Googling. And I was so free down. And Flo has this energy of like, she's like a mob boss. Yeah, she's got a very car. Very calm, but like boss energy.

And she came along and I was like, hello. Do you want to sign me or what? And they're like, oh, you whatever, we'll give you some work. And then, long story short, later that year, they signed me proper, which was insane. So it's an unconventional route into comedy and not by any means the standard. And I'm very, very fortunate to have done that. You're in this mad position, though, because that's so soon to be, all these things you're doing is amazing. You're so talented and it's well deserved, but it must be quite overwhelming and juggling it with real life.

Because it's a weird time in your life as well. Yeah. Like this is the time in your life where you're like, okay, these 10. years are the most intense 10 years because how old do you show you want me asking how would you I'm 33 yeah yeah oh thank you but he's young though he's young to have like seven year old you know most people having kids a little bit later and stuff you know I was 29 we first had kids and that especially in comedy yeah they're all like they're all basically nutcases and have a kid at about 45 no offense um I'm joking it's one of the normal ones which is

it's concerning yeah no yeah it's true it's a strange time. And so ultimately what I'm trying to do is be a comedian and do that stuff whilst also learning how to be a comedian actually. What a lot of people experience you gain for five years, 10 years doing it, working the circuit. I've kind of fast forwarded to a point. And now I'm kind of not playing catch up because the material is there and whatever else, but in terms of my confidence, that is, I'm still like, you know, as a, as a woman, it's a black woman, especially the imposter syndrome is so real. Of course. And it's like, they're going to suss me out any minute. They're going to work out that I'm not supposed to be here.

We have that as a white man. I'm joking. So difficult for you. For anyone listening, I didn't agree to what Josh said then. I shook my head to her, no. I'm true. Josh, a joke's a joke. And so, it's quite interesting because you've got that situation with your kids where I really had no dependence, nothing to lose.

I was kind of single. I had no kids. I had a job I didn't really... And no bills properly, but I'm just a flat share. No bills. I was renting a kind of... Like, in a flat share. Yeah.

So it was much easy. I remember when I started people who had proper jobs, it was a huge disadvantage. Yeah. And also you've got a cool job that you enjoy, I imagine, compared to doing a job

that is not of interest at all. You know, you're working with theatres already in museums and stuff. Yeah, it would be easier if I had a job. that was that I hated but I have a job and a career effectively that's actually very nice and I work at the minute at the at the London Museum it opens in the autumn come down when it was it new museum yeah yes it was formerly the Museum of

London it closed they're moving to Smithfield Meat Market and it's gonna be the the Museum of London it's gonna be the London Museum they've had a re-brand the London Museum yeah stuff about London it's a yeah oh my god who is that said now is that that's that's Richie he called me about seven times a day just does he Get him on up. Get him say hello. Is he a speaker? Oh my God, it's hilarious.

Richard? No. You're on Parenting Hell Live. Do you not swear? Oh, as everyone did it. You're right? Yeah, you're good, Richie. Oh, my God.

What did you want? Ask him why he takes him swimming on his own and if he enjoys it. Why do you take the kids swimming on your own and do you enjoy it? I do a lot of things on my own with children because it makes it all my choice. There's no one to disturb me. Wow. He's coming home. Why is so much smoke?

I'm trying to raise the kids my style on my way. You suck a man. So strong here. Why have you done that? I'm joking. Right, I'm going to go. All right. I'm just trying to so, you know, I'm running late.

Bus doesn't turn up. Term is behind where I need to be. Just, yeah, drive on. Okay. Try to get a train, mate. Then you feel the pain. I need to get a car before I get a train for a lot. I'll buy a train.

Okay. Good luck. See that, everyone. Bye. Bye. So there's a lot of problems at home then. Massive problems, I'm apparently. I didn't notice news to me.

So he's late for the kids. He's late for the kids. And also, so what I love about that. That's a classic. I love that how strong he came in. Also, I do this as well. Why do you need to phone someone to say? He knows you're either working at the museum job or on this. And he knows you're doing this today.

How are you going to help him in this situation? This is my, because I'm my exact point. And what would you like me to do about that, Richard? Yeah. How can I assist? I can't. No. I think it was more,

to really just event about the fact that he's running. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't make him any quicker. No, no, no. If anything, slows him down. But anyway, sorry about that. No, that's funny.

So what's your, have you got, what's your sort of plan? Have you got a plan for the next few years? Or, like, what would you need to, like, be, you don't have to go into details, but like, earning or achieving or level to then maybe not do that job.

And then, but it's, because as we had John Bishop on, who had the same issues. Yeah. I don't know if you listen that episode, but he was like earning a certain amount but like if I go and be a comedian then I can't afford to do this and that

it is a weird thing you've got a kind of like because lots of people will be like have a job or regular like nine to five job and then if they're in a position we'll take a fixed term low key like job you don't have to think about more flexible to do more comedy you kind of transitioning slowly that way

admin job of random stuff yeah something low key but you but now I can't I can't make that leap or at some point I'm going to have to maybe make that leap into the unknown and just hope but it's there is no, the plan is

just keep getting really good at comedy. That's it. Just keep doing it. Keep checking in to myself to make sure I still love doing it. And obviously there will come a point where you've, when you've got kids, you're in different phases, aren't they? You think when you're in the newborn phase, you think this is the hardest thing in the world. You'll never have time ever again.

I'll never do it. And then you move into the next table phase. And it's like, it's hard in a different way, but it frees you up in other ways. So like even now my kids are at school age, that's kind of another level of chaos, which you've been late for school. But it's actually freed me up in another way.

So there will come a point where it's naturally comfortable to the life stuff. It kind of makes, it fits a bit better. I feel like, I mean, I don't know your full background, but imagine you're coming from a sort of like lower middle class or working class background where there isn't as much opportunity or connections and money. Because we spoke a lot about the social mobility of it all, whereas like the truth is you're super talented and you're brilliant in what you do and you've got its opportunity now.

But you can't always grab that opportunity if you haven't had the, privileges in life of growing up where you know if you've come from a different kind of family and you had you know family members you could go look if I've just had 50 grand then we could you know rich could stay at home and work I could probably go for comedy and I reckon by this point

I'll be able to achieve that and you're on this amazing journey with this support network and safety net that doesn't exist so you've just got to go in it and people always say why are they not more sort of different voices or working class voices or people from different backgrounds or ethnic minority and it's like well a lot of the answer is money

Yeah, and connections. Connections of being able to do that kind of stuff. So it's like, it makes it tough. You're doing amazingly. So keep plowing on. But it does, it can be frustrating. Yeah, it can be frustrating. And eventually I'd love to do a tour and like just perform to people who want to hear me.

You will, though. And that will happen. That will happen. And if I keep it, get really good, that will definitely happen. But it's like there's no, I think with comedy, thankfully, it's quite an equitable art form. Where if you do want to start comedy, you can join a Facebook group. You can find a gig. You can get on it.

How to make money of comedy is a different thing. And it's tangible. If you're good at when you're funny, everyone's laughing and you can tell. My background, my stepdad owned a bit a print business. And so I had a quite comfortable upbringing. He didn't believe in the internet, which wasn't helpful. What do you mean? Yeah.

He was like, this internet thing's not going to take off. He worked in print, like print sales. He'd meet him. I think the leaflet is going to die. but he didn't see it coming. So when the recession hit, things got a little bit more tricky. But so my mum always took us to like shows and that kind of. Sorry, I just didn't believe in it.

That's wild from print, me, isn't it? It's insane. He didn't see it coming. And so she'd take us to like the theatre when she could. And so I never felt kind of not able to access the kind of the arts in that way. But being black in those organisations, like I'm always the only one in the room, usually, in meetings or wherever. Like, it's not, that's not uncommon. And to kind of have your, I've been in meetings where I would say something and then it would be like, no, no, that's a terrible idea or whatever.

And then a white man in the room would say the exact same thing. And it would be like, oh, absolutely great idea. We should totally do that. And you're like, really? So it's just. So I like to be on tour with you. I could pass a lot of your stuff off as my own. Absolutely.

The pink dick stuff, you really enjoy. I do like that. You really enjoy. That one stole your dad's idea though about the internet, did they? They left that one. That much. No, a ticket. So is that, you know, because that's always said as a throwaway thing of, but that,

you've experienced that a lot then with people just saying, it's being repeated by someone else. It's a real thing. You're just kind of invisible and overlooked and whatever. But it's, so there are things to navigate in both ways. But I think I've learned a lot from working in the theatre and in the arts and in those environments. Because it's not too dissimilar to the comedy industry in terms of like, oh, okay, I know you.

I know this kind of, yeah. I know, I know what you are. I know the deal here. Yeah, but in terms of like, access to things. because you're right. I don't, no one's going to pay for me to go and do a month stint in Edinburgh. Oh, I also there's no safe, if there's not a strong safety net, that's thinking, you know. Yeah, I can't fall back. Well, I could ask Etta for a loan. I could. Well, yeah, you could start speaking from children.

I could just skim some off the top. Send her out again, will you for another advert? Come on, rich. And so will she ever do a, when would she do her first boxing fight? Oh, see, I don't know. I don't know I don't think I wouldn't like it to ever get to that level I feel like that would be like oh my goodness

Richie absolutely would fire man smoke No I don't I don't know Maybe she loves all things she's very Both my kids are very kind of Riches oh give them everything get them to do everything And so they do boxing they do dance class gymnastics Swimming football they do it all But she's very much a girly girl my daughter

Like she's a performer They had a career day at school and she wanted to go in as a singer because my older sister is a singer-songwriter and I had this wig in the house that I was using for a sketch it's like an auntie wig like a black bob wig made for like 50 year old women

and she found it she put it on and she's like money I love this wig can I please wear it to school on Friday because it's my birthday and I was like I don't think I can't So it wasn't a dress up

singing part of the singing careers thing just a random Friday wants to wear a wig It was random Friday I want to wear a wig I didn't realise that random Friday also happened to be a career day later on in the week. But I was like, should I let her go to school in the wig? Just for just for lulls. And then it turned out to be Carrido and she did wear the wig to school. Oh nice. What else did she wear to be a singer? So she wore a very sparkly

dress and she wore some fingerless gloves that she'd made herself. Yeah. And a little bit of cocaine. She was trapped in a terrible contract. A little bump. I was trying to do TikToks to break through. She went to this went to school in this kind of middle-aged woman wig and got home and said, Did you have a good day? She's like, yeah, some of the kids did laugh at my wig, but I didn't mind because I really liked it. That's the spirit.

You know, I think that's such a good way I did it. Because we had some flowers in a jar that was like from Lou's book launch thing. And then she went, can I take it to my teacher? And I was like, and I thought me, he was like, you don't have been a kid that's fucking dirty. But I didn't think of going to a rough school in South East Underwin where if I turned up with flowers a teacher, you get your head kicked in. So I have to try and put it.

push all that down. I'm rightly so. Yeah. And so I'm like, yeah, if you want. And then she's just walking around with like this jar of flowers. I'm like, bless her. And then I was like, did she like a flower? She went, yeah, did she like them?

I was like, what a lovely little joy for thing. It's my own problems that's adding anything. That's a beautiful thing to do. Exactly. And let her do it and let her find out how she feels when she experiences that. Exactly. Yeah, no, it's good. I just love the kids when they're just so careful.

I'm like, let's just do that. So careful. My daughter is in. insanely carefree. So we obviously we live in East London and you go ahead of school. There's a huge South Asian. Did you all grow up in East London around that era as well? So strangely, I grew up, I'm from Essex. So I grew up in like Thurrock, which is like near

Lake side. Yeah, just over the bridge, Costco, IKEA. Absolutely. Race track. Yeah. All that good stuff. So I'm from there. But my grandparents and my mum all lived in East London, Bow, Manor Park, Forestgate is where they all lived. And so when me and Richie were looking to buy a house, the only place we could have. Is he through. No, he's from Islington. Ah, right. Is it.

Islington. That's how they say, Islington. Is that's how they say? Well, yeah, they don't get Islington. That's what the media elite say. Oh. You go, I'm, Izenton. Isnton. Isnton.

Is it? Like Joe Swat. Yeah. If you meet someone who's properly sort of like Islington, but like council will say Islington, they'll go, Isnton. Okay. Well, I'll ring Richard back. When Richie rings in a minute to tell you that the bus is on time now.

Yeah. And it's fine. No reason. But absolutely, no reason at all. I'm from Esse London. My family from East London. And then we've ended up living in the same area that my grandparents lived, when they came to the UK.

So it's kind of a weird cyclical thing. I've come back to my ancestral roots of a Forest Gate. Final question? Yeah. I feel like we know Ritchie really well now, but a little bit more. Well, better than I did. What is the one thing he does as a parent?

You go, oh my God, I'm so happy. Me and Richie have got kids together. He's an amazing dad. And what's the one thing he does that if or when he listens to this, it annoys you and when he hears, you'll go, yeah, she's got a point. Things I love about Ritchie is his unwavering confidence in our kids. And he's, like, commitment to them just being like,

absolutely he's their enabler like you can do anything be anything he says to them um it's like oh i'm too old or too young to this like no no age isn't a thing it's just about confidence and skill so it was like you know when i drive a car no because you're probably too small to reach the pedals but you know you could probably right drive a small go car or whatever like he always empower them in that way which is great that's why i feel like he's done that with you a little bit on your journey absolutely it was him like give me the kick up the bum to try a thing um things i can't stand about him. He could just move swiftly onto that.

Really, the way he started clearing his throat is becoming an issue. Oh, really? Yeah. Just, I don't know, he's at the paws of face, and it just, it seems really like, forced. Is that an age thing, do you think? How old is he? I don't know, he's, I don't know, he's 38.

I think he's 38. That's about the age you start getting a weird throat cough. I know, just every time he does it, I want to punch him in the neck. I make noises sometimes like, oh, oh, and Luz, like, I hate them. noise. Yeah. Pathetic. Just have sex to me

silently, please, right? Leave me with my dildo in peace. I'm holding the dildo leave the room. You know what this means.

Get out. So, is that? Yeah. And I just want to punch you in the face. And where there's been a lot of bugs

going around because I've got kids, it's just constant. I will kill you. Don't cough near me. So it's the cough. It's the cough. But he doesn't mind.

He's working in a dusty tunnel from like 10.30pm till 6 a. I don't care. And he's empowering all the important people in his lives. Do they have lunch in the middle of that? I don't actually know. Well, yeah, of course you do.

We don't eat all night and go, I don't know. Yeah, but how does it work? Do you just sit in a tunnel? No, on the drive back, I think they go to like a McDonald's or whatever. I think a burger king on the way. I think that's how it works. I don't really know. You got you.

You can't get a shit. I don't get. As long as he keeps working in the night so he can do school pickup. That's the one. That works for me. That works for me. It's been a joy. Thanks.

What's your Instagram? Oh yeah, absolutely. We've got to do that. Or TikTok? I don't tick-tack. No, I don't do that. Okay, do Instagram. Shantel Nash does funnies.

Give us a... How you're doing the funnies? Y-S or I-E-S? I-E-S. I was... Yeah, I started the Instagram trying to kind of hide. I did comedy,

so I picked the most kind of complicated name. Yeah. So I've kept it. Chantel Nash does funnies. Perfect. Yeah. And can we see you live anywhere? Or you've got no tour at the moment.

I've got no tour. I'm doing some whips. Work in progress. Oh, God. Speaking the language. don't speak in acronym. Four years in. She's in the...

She's in the biz. Yeah, work in progress gigs that I put on my Instagram so give me a follow. Give Chantel a follow. Cheers Chantel, thanks so much. Thanks guys. And cheers to Richie.

Oh yeah. Fuck that cameo. Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. Chantelle Nash. Absolutely great. Loved her.

That was great. She's lovely, isn't she? She's lovely. Yeah. Absolutely lovely. And out there, before we started doing this, laptop out, doing a bit of work. because she still works.

I know. What a machine. What a machine. Josh, I'll see you next week. See you next week. Same time, same place. That was cool. Getting ready for a game means being ready for anything.

Like packing a spare stick. I like to be prepared. That's why I remember 988, Canada's suicide crisis helpline. It's good to know, just in case. Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a train responder anytime. 988 suicide crisis helpline is funded by the government in Canada. Hello, parenting hell listeners. Recognise that voice? Yes, it's Josh Widdickham here. I have got a new podcast, Josh Widdickham's Museum of Pop Culture. And I'm going to say it,

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See above. Basically, I wanted a podcast that realized Millie Vanilli were more interesting than Elizabeth I first. Join me as I give the definitive, or at least the funniest, takes on Mr. Blobby. When Ghost Watch convinced BBC viewers, ghosts were real. When a band burned a million pounds for a laugh. The Spice Girls. A truly catastrophic Spider-Man musical with music from You Too and David Hasselhoff, Baywatch, and his part in the fall of the Berlin Wall.

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