#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 10.24 RMU: Cummings lies in state at the Capitol; FB founder under fire; Pantaleo wants his job back

Episode Date: October 28, 2019

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Today is Thursday, October 24th, 2019. I am broadcasting live from Minneapolis, where I will be keynoting the Minneapolis Urban League, the Everly Twin Cities Unity Gala coming up tonight. Well, next on Roland Martin Unfiltered, Congressman Elijah Cummings lies in state at the U.S. Capitol, the first African-American to receive that honor. We'll show you some of the speeches that took place at the ceremony there.

Also, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg faced fire yesterday when he testified before the U.S. House. Woo, let's just say it did not go over well for the Zuckerberg. Fired NYPD officer Daniel Pantaleo, who was responsible for Eric Garner's Choco death, is suing to get his job back. A New Mexico police officer has resigned after his vicious attack on an 11-year-old girl. And no charters will be filed

against the Providence, Rhode Island corrections officer who drove his car into a group of protesters. Folks, we've got a jam-packed show for you. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine. And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling. Best belief he's knowing. Putting it down from sports to news to politics.

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He's bunk, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rollin' Martell now Martell All right, folks, congressional leaders honor the late Congressman Elijah Cummings today as his body laid in state in the National Statuary Hall at the U.S. Capitol. Cummings is the first African-American, an African-American lawmaker, to lie in state in the U.S. Capitol, according to congressional historians. Now, lying in state is a tribute reserved for government officials and military officers. Now, don't forget Rosa Parks. Did she also she lied in honor in the U.S. Capitol, as well as a black Capitol police officer who was shot and killed in 1998.

But to lie in state is different from lying in honor. So many people turn out today. Leaders from both sides of the house were there as well. They're to, of course, pay respects to the Cummings family, including his wife, my rock and more Cummings and folks. A number of people spoke and shared their thoughts and reflections about the late Congressman Elijah Cummings of Baltimore. Fifty five members strong. The Congressional Black Caucus is a close-knit family. Thursday, October 17th, the CBC lost a member of our family. Elijah Cummings was respected, revered, and viewed as a quiet giant within the caucus. We watched him lead the Oversight and Reform Committee. We watched his heartfelt passion as he fought for the rights of children separated from their families, as he fought for everyone to have health care and medications that are affordable, and as he fought for everyone

to have the right and access to vote. Monday night, members of the Congressional Black Caucus paid tribute to Mr. Cummings on the House floor. Let me now share their words with you. Elijah came to Congress knowing full well that he was coming to a body where people stood on the shoulders of giants. He never set out to be a giant, but he became one. He took on the mantle of an evangelist. He didn't work to prepare people for the hereafter. He worked to prepare people for the here and now. When Congressman Cummings spoke, he spoke with moral authority, frequently reminding us we are better than that. In the midst of these challenging times, Chairman Cummings remained optimistic that better days were ahead.

He observed America is not a perfect country and sometimes she stumbled and fell down. Yet the chairman also made clear that based upon her goodness, America always got up. In other words, he inspired us to keep the faith anchored in the sincere belief that this too shall pass. Let us take comfort and strength in knowing that Chairman Cummings' legacy will be forever enshrined in the halls of Congress through the next generation of leaders that his work impacted and inspired. The chairman will be remembered as a man who pulled no punches, was authentic to the core, and a champion for our democracy.

Our nation will surely miss his love, compassion, strength, brilliance, and his tireless dedication. Elijah, your Congressional Black Caucus family will do its best to honor you by continuing to stand and defend our democracy with the very same passion, vigor, and you exemplified for us. Oh Lord, the chair of the committee, Elijah Cummings, is now meeting you, the chair of the board of all of the

universe. We issue thanks for sending Elijah our way. We're better for having had him near us lo these many years. We bless those who have come and will come from near and far to pay tribute who is able to keep you from falling and make you stand without blemish in the presence of God's glory was rejoicing to the only wise God, our Savior,

be glory, majesty, power, and authority. And now, God, please now receive the bootlegging preacher based in Baltimore, Elijah Cummings. Amen. Dr. Rockamore, distinguished family, my colleagues, ladies and gentlemen. In the sixth chapter and eighth verse of the Old Testament book, the prophet Micah admonishes that the Lord requires us to do justly, act mercifully, and walk humbly. Elijah E. Cummings personified this directive in his service and in the core of his living.

Elijah had a passion for justice, justice for those who are underserved, justice for those who are undercut, and justice for those who are underestimated. He himself had been grossly underestimated at a very early point in his development and as a result had been placed in special education but was rescued by a teacher who saw that the only thing special about Elijah Cummings was his inquisitiveness. He and I often talked about the passion we shared about being called to rescue as many others as God gave us courage and strength to do. Elijah understood Micah's admonition that sometimes justice,

even when dispensed equally, might not always be the proper course of action. And in such instances, we are called upon to be merciful. Elijah was merciful. And he showed it with grace and kindness. Elijah offered other soaring precepts, but he led by shining example. He knew how to balance firmness and fairness. He did not speak very often in our caucus meetings, but when he did, it was to bring people together. Elijah and I often talked about the humbleness of our shared roots in South Carolina soil, and our experiences growing up as PKs, preacher kids. Neither one of us sought to follow our fathers

into the ministry but both of us felt strongly in my father's admonition to me which I shared with Elijah often that the world would much rather see a sermon than hear one. Elijah's service was a soaring, instructive sermon. And today, I have no doubt that he is dancing with the angels and wishing us Godspeed as we pursue the making of a more perfect union, establishing justice, employing mercy, and walking humbly, never doing or saying anything to deserve his admonishment

that we are better than that.... Of course, the funeral for Congressman Elijah Cummings will take place tomorrow in Baltimore. Among those who will speak include President Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Let's go to our panel. Dr. Greg Carr, chair, Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University. Erica Savage Wilson, host of Savage will Savage Politics podcast. I'm glad to have both of you here. First and foremost, I'll start with you, Greg. The fact that he's the first African-American to lie in state there at the U.S. Capitol shows the respect that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Democratic leaders had for Congressman Cummings. Absolutely. You know, Eric and I were sitting here talking through the commentary and watching the feed there.

You know, the man really, his impact can't be overstated. Elijah Cummings, remarkable man, man of the people, represented his district, but more importantly, represented the spirit and soul in so many ways of black people in this country in the federal legislature. And we saw him, as he said, signing these subpoenas right up to the moment he left the earth. So for him to lie in state, and you know, this was in one of the news reports,

in between a statue of Rosa Parks and a bust of Jefferson Davis pretty much sums it up. The only thing keeping this experiment together is the outsized character of human beings like Elijah Cummings. And at this moment, a loss like this will have profound impact, not just on black and brown communities

and working people and poor folks around this country, but as we will see discussed probably tomorrow in Baltimore, it's going to leave an impact on what happens in the immediate future of this project called the united states yeah uh erica when you look at the uh stunt republicans did yesterday i can only imagine how congressman cummings would have responded if he was one of the chairmen in that room when they barged in. It probably would not have gone over so well. It would not have. And as a formal federal employee, I was completely appalled and wondered why in the world Matt Getz and the rest of the Brooks brothers gang are not in state capital or capital police custody. that what they did was beyond a stunt, that it

was actually against the law, that no one is allowed to bring any type of device into those areas, those skipped areas. And so as we mourn the loss of a statesman, of a person that really did care and fight for democracy, I hope that this will be a lesson for all of us to not only get engaged, but to advocate for the things that we care about. You know, Greg, it's amazing when I look at some of these people, especially these ADOS folks out there trashing Congress and coming saying he didn't give a damn about black folks, wasn't fighting on behalf of black folks. I listen to these same people out there who say, oh, the CBC, they've done nothing for African-Americans. And to me, it shows you the gross ignorance of many people who have no

understanding what CBC members do, the kind of how a lot of times you may not have your name on a bill, but you can take a certain action to change one reference in one bill that could actually benefit the community. And so I think people really don't have an understanding, to be frank, what members of Congress do and how they do impact their congressional districts. And remember, he was elected to serve his congressional district, not just every black person in America. That's absolutely right.

And you know, this goes to everyone. We have to be able to be more educated before we open our mouths and talk out of our ignorance. We understand the Ados position. It is legitimate and just to want repair, but having wanted repair, we must now do some self-repair. And part of that requires knowing who the people are who fight for us. When you see Elijah, when you yank on Elijah Cummings, Perry Mitchell falls out. The whole tradition of black Baltimore politics falls out. Bare knuckle brawling for the rights of black people around this country.

When you see Barbara Lee stand there and eulogize him, you're looking at a tradition that begins with Ron Dellums in the Bay Area and the Black Panthers in the Bay Area. When you see Jim Clyburn stand there and talk about South Carolina, you're looking at a tradition of bare knuckle brawling for rights that goes back past Strom Thurmond into the deep treasures of people like Septa McClark

and others who have fought in South Carolina. This is the generation that this second generation represents. When Emanuel Key were kind of kids and calls him a bootleg preacher, what you see is a group of elders finally who are able to sit and nurture the next generation of Congress people. When you saw Elijah Cummings, for example, have Rashida Tlaib and counsel her,

even as she set natural fire to Kevin, what's his name? His friend, his conservative friend. What's his name? Kevin McCarthy. Yeah, Kevin McCarthy. Thank you. Congressman Mark Meadows. That's right.

When Meadows jumped and then McCarthy responds and then Rashida Tlaib didn't back down. But what you saw in that chair position, you saw Elijah Cummings do what he did for Ilhan Omar, what he has done for Ocasio-Cortez and Johanna Hayes and all the people, Lucy McBath. And when you look at him mentoring these young people, not distinguishing their fire, because Rashida Tlaib is in John Conyers' seat, his colleague, but using himself almost as a human shield to keep these white supremacists off them

and to encourage them in their own fire. That is the role of an elder. And when you say people haven't done anything for us, you've opened your mouth, you put your brain on display. Shut up and listen for a minute and study how these elders have stood in the fire so that you can take the next lap in this struggle. But this ignorance, we have to extinguish it the way you've been doing it, by teaching our people who, in fact, our leaders have been over time and space. Absolutely. And Erica, I think that's critically important because, again, the reality is when you talk about the impact of a Congressman Elijah Cummings. First of all, there's this assumption that, oh, he was like that, like one member of Congress can completely reform and

change their entire congressional district. That's not how it happens because the reality is this year, his congressional district actually has the best of Baltimore and the worst of Baltimore. I mean, that's what happens. You can go to many congressional districts and you can find the exact same thing. But I think it's important when you talk about his role being over this House Oversight Committee, holding Donald Trump accountable. Also, even when he was a ranking member, when the Republicans controlled how he was going after and battling with Trey Gowdy and Dara Issa and guys along those lines who were bringing their shenanigans on Capitol Hill,

holding them accountable to say you do what's right according to the people. Absolutely. And let's be clear here as well to also complement what Greg said, that accountability is not a tweet and that bravery and courage is not a tweet and that Leadership is not a tweet and that what we are all Standard standing on what we are all beneficiaries of is the work of an Elijah Cummings the work of Iran Dellums that roll call that a doctor car did so eloquently Those are their freedoms and those are the benefits that we are actually reaping right now as we even speak. So when I think about Elijah Cummings,

I think about that even the commitment that even rolling on last week when you broadcast it live from the Spirit of Democracy Awards, that he was actually scheduled to be there, but you had the voice of a congresswoman, Maxine Waters, who has held talks with the Bloods and the Crips. So when we start looking at receipts, when we start looking at the actual work, it definitely moves beyond Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and every other

social media platform. It is those people, those 435 that serve in the House of Representatives that are elected every two years, that are going about the business, doing the House of Representatives that are elected every two years that are going about the business, doing the work of the people as though they'll be there for six years like the senators are. And so that's what I also believe that this new swath of people that are now engaged with what they call some level of social justice or black awareness also need to understand. Mm hmm. Yeah, well, it's we certainly, again, are going to miss his leadership, what he was able to do on the Hill, especially when it comes to these impeachment inquiry that's taking place. And so, again, tomorrow, the funeral will take place. There'll be a public

viewing tomorrow at 8 a.m. Congressman Elijah Cummings at New Salmas, his church in Baltimore. The funeral will begin at 10 a.m. It will be broadcast on C-SPAN. And of course, as I said, President Barack Obama, President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, all three will be among the speakers addressing the audience there tomorrow in Baltimore. All right, folks, gotta go to break.

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Capitol Hill. The hearing was about Libra, the company's proposed cryptocurrency, but he also commented on the social network's commitment to civil rights and what it has done to promote diversity after the company's settlement with various civil rights groups related to discrimination tied to advertising and housing. Folks, it was some tough testimony and tough questions, especially when you are facing Congressmanwoman maxine waters of california it is no secret that facebook allowed russia to undermine and divide our country through divisive online ads the senate's investigation discovered that african americans were targeted the most by russia specifically in places where black Lives Matter groups were the most active.

Despite all of your technological expertise, Russia and Iran are at it again for the upcoming election. Then last week, you announced a new ad policy that that has a license to lie. Facebook has a license to lie and you can't get a license to lie so you can earn more money off this division, I suppose. Facebook changes the rules when it can benefit itself. Last year, Facebook banned all

cryptocurrency ads on its platform because, and I quote, they are frequently associated with misleading or deceptive promotional practices, quote unquote. Seems fair. Then earlier this year, Facebook rolled back the cryptocurrency ad ban, bought a blockchain company and announced its own cryptocurrency. So tell us what changed. How did cryptocurrency go from being misleading and deceptive last year and then becomes a means for financial inclusion this year. It seems to me that you shifted your stance because you realize that you can use your size

and your users' data to dominate the cryptocurrency market. You changed your policy when it benefits you. You reinstated cryptocurrency ads because you had plans to start your own cryptocurrency. So this brings me back to your new policy on political speech. My question to you is, how does this new policy benefit you? Because it seems that a policy that allows politicians to lie, mislead, and deceive would also allow Facebook to sell more ads to those politicians, thus making your company more money. But you can tell me, how does Facebook benefit?

Chairwoman, thanks for those questions. I'd like to address all of the things that you mentioned in there. On elections, you're right that in 2016 we were on our back foot in terms of preventing Russia from from attempting to interfere in our elections. We've spent a lot of the last few years building systems that are more sophisticated than any other company has at this point and frankly a lot of governments too for defending against foreign interference. This Monday we announced that we had proactively identified

a network of fake Russian accounts and a few networks of Iranian fake accounts that we proactively took down, which certainly, as you say, signals that these nation states are still attempting to interfere. But I hope it will also give us some confidence that our systems are now more sophisticated to proactively identify and address these things. On your question about political ads, look, from a business perspective,

the very small percent of our business that is made up of political ads does not come anywhere close to justifying the controversy that this incurs for our company. So this really is not about money. This is on principle, I believe in giving people a voice. I believe that ads can be an important part of voice. I think especially in the political process for challenger candidates and for local candidates or advocacy groups whose message might not otherwise be covered by the media, having ads can be an important way to inject your message into the political debate. Let me interrupt you for a minute.

Are you telling me, I think as you said to me before, you plan on doing no fact-checking on political ads? Chairwoman, our policy is that we do not fact-check politicians' speech. And the reason for that is that we believe that in a democracy, it is important that people can see for themselves what politicians are saying. Political speech is some of the most scrutinized speech already in the world. Do you fact-check on any ads at all? Yes.

Describe what you fact-check on. Well, Chairwoman, actually, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Do you fact-check on any ads at all? Yes Describe what you fact-check on. Well chairwoman actually Thank you for the opportunity to clarify Facebook itself actually does not check it does not fact-check What we do is we have feedback that that people in our community don't want to see viral hoaxes or or kind of Let me be clear you do no fact-checking on any ads. Is that correct? Chairwoman, what we do is we work with a set of independent fact-checkers who

Somebody fact-checks on ads. You contract with someone to do that. Is that right? Chairwoman, yes. And tell me, who is it that they fact-checked on? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. by a set of independent fact-checkers. They can't fact-check everything, but the things that they get to, and if they mark something as false, then we... All right, my time has expired, and someone else will continue on this line of questioning. Am I the only one confused as hell? I... Look, I... We... No, Facebook, we don't fact-check. There's an independent group that fact-check who we pay

They cut that bullshit out you fact-check Speaking of getting checked. Here's Congresswoman Joyce Beatty of Ohio Let's just say every black mama Know what this was like? In your opening statement you talked a lot about civil rights. I think we should probably phrase it a little differently, that you work with civil rights work is because it's a result of the number of lawsuits that you've had, NAACP. Even Secretary Ben Carson filed a fair housing lawsuit against you for violations. So let me ask you this.

Do you know what redlining is? The President Yes. Secretary Sebelius Okay, then you should have known better. And maybe if you had real diversity or inclusion on your team, somebody in that room would have said what you were doing when you looked at what you were doing in the housing how you were redlining or using zip codes and to eliminate people from getting information now have you read the report that Laura Murphy sent to you

you've talked a lot about diversity and you introduced her name that about this great study in her work have you read it do you know what the recommendations were do you know when she issued the report yes or no I've seen the report okay tell me what the top three things were cuz I I have it right here what were the top three things in her report somebody talked about lying in this committee I'm only I'm only saying it well one of them was around housing ads which we've talked about the other was around setting up a civil rights task force and and who's on the civil rights task force cheryl sandberg is the person who who's she's what's

civil right okay we know cheryl's not really civil rights so i'm trying to help you here she's your coo and i don't think there's anything and and I know Cheryl well, about civil rights in her background. So come better than that for me if we're going to talk civil rights. It's an internal task force. Do you know who the firm that you employ for civil rights is? Congressman, I don't know. How could you not know when you have employed the most historical, the largest civil rights firm to deal with issues that are major? And this is what's so frustrating to me. It's almost like you think this is a joke when you have ruined the lives of many people, discriminated against them.

Do you know what percentage of African-Americans are on Facebook in comparison to majority folks? Do you know what the percentages are? People using the Facebook? Yes. Do you know what the percentages are for African-Americans? I don't because we don't collect the races of people. Well, it came out in a report in the Pew Research Center that was sent to you. So maybe you just don't read a lot of things that deal with civil rights or African Americans.

I have a lot of questions I'm going to send to you that I'm not going to be able to get through, and I would like an answer, because this is appalling and disgusting to me, and I yield back. Well, to get funky, it's the face you make. Damn! But oh, you know the freshmen, they got to ask questions last.

And oh my lord, Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, let's just say she just walked Mark Zuckerberg's behind down. You announced recently that the official policy of Facebook now allows politicians to pay to spread disinformation in 2020 elections and in the future. So I just want to know how far I can push this in the next year. Under your policy, you know, using census data as well, could I pay to target predominantly black zip codes and

advertise them the incorrect election date? No, Congresswoman, you couldn't. We have, even for these policies around the newsworthiness of content that politicians say and the general principle that i believe that but you said you're not going to fact check my ads we have if if uh if anyone including a politician is saying things that can cause that is calling for violence or could risk imminent physical harm or voter or census suppression when we roll out the census suppression policy, we will take that content down. So you will...

There is some threshold where you will fact-check political advertisements. Is that what you're telling me? Well, Congresswoman, yes, for specific things like that where there's imminent risk of harm... Could I run ads targeting Republicans in primaries saying that they voted for the Green New Deal? Sorry, can you repeat that? Would I be able to run advertisements on Facebook targeting Republicans in primaries saying that they voted for the Green New Deal?

I mean, if you're not fact-checking political advertisements, I'm just trying to understand the bounds here. What's fair game? Congresswoman, I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head i think so you don't know if i'll be able to do that um do you see a potential problem here with a complete lack of fact checking on political advertisements well congresswoman i think lying is bad and i think if you were to run an ad that had a lie that would be bad that's different from it being from it from in our position the right thing to do to prevent your constituents or people in an election from seeing that you had lied so we can so you won't take

down lies or you will take down lies I think it's just a pretty simple yes or no congresswoman in I'm not talking about spin i'm talking about actual yes in a democracy i believe that people should be able to see for themselves what politicians that they may or may not vote for so you won't take them down character for themselves so you won't take you may flag that it's wrong but you won't take it down congresswoman it's uh it depends on the context that it shows up organic postic Post adds that the treatment is a little different. One question, one more question. In your ongoing dinner parties with far-right figures,

some of who advance the conspiracy theory that white supremacy is a hoax, did you discuss so-called social media bias against conservatives, and do you believe there is a bias? Congresswoman, I don't remember everything that was in the question. That's all right, I'll move on. Can you explain why you've named The Daily Caller, a publication well-documented with ties to white supremacists, as an official fact-checker for Facebook? Congresswoman, sure. We actually don't appoint the independent fact-checkers. They go through an independent organization called the Independent Fact-Checking Network

that has a rigorous standard for who they allow to serve as a fact-checker. So you would say that white supremacist-tied publications meet a rigorous standard for fact-checking? Thank you. Congresswoman, I would say that we're not the one assessing that standard. The International Fact-Checking Network is the one who is setting that standard. Okay, y'all, let me... Why did I play all of that? Because Mark Zuckerberg knows damn well what they're talking about.

Okay? Let's be real clear here. All right? Essentially what he is saying is that if Donald Trump or any other politician has an ad that's flat out false, that is a lie, Facebook is like, are we good? We good. Do you understand that television networks and television stations and newspapers and magazines

will not allow such false ads? See, Facebook wants to have it both ways. They are the largest disseminator of news in America. But their deal is, oh, no, no, we're not a news company. We're a tech company. But then another day, we're not a tech company. We're a news company. Then it goes, oh, that's really only a small part of our revenue.

Okay, so if it's a small part of your revenue, correct it. This really isn't hard. But the fact of the matter is, Facebook doesn't want to do it. And do you know why? Because they're scared of conservatives. See, let me just sit let me sit my iPad down. So let me just explain to y'all something. This is the game that conservatives have played since the 1960s.

Whoa is me. The liberal media, the liberal media hates us. The liberal media doesn't understand us so what they do is and they love talking about black people why you always playing the victim but they're always playing the victim it's always the media the media the media I begot the media they're all against us you got Fox News who goes the mainstream mainstream media. Hell, they're mainstream. But you see the game. Now you have to ask yourself,

how is it that you have like the Daily Caller and you've got the National Review and you've got OANN, you've got Newsmax, you've got all of these conservative websites, the Epoch Times, all these different sites. You know why? these conservative websites, the Epoch Times, all these different sites.

You know why? Because conservative billionaires are funding them. That's where they're getting their money from. The Rubin Report. Oh, all those YouTube followers. Used to be with the Young Turks, but now he's a conservative. Funded by the Koch brothers. Because their whole deal is the liberal media

liberal media liberal media they hit CNN with that when I was there they hit CBS if CNN had gone out and hired even today if CNN had go goes out and hires 1,000 conservative employees you know the conservatives will say? They're still liberal. That's the game. So they attack Facebook. They attack YouTube. I saw some documentary.

Dennis Prager. Oh, the censorship. Prager University, Prager U, has had more than two of their videos, two billion views. so where's the censorship this is a part of their strategy and their game and so facebook is scared to death why because republicans control the senate and they're scared that donald trump is going to attack them now their problem is that they're getting their ass kicked by the Democrats.

And see, all Zuckerberg had to say is, if you want to run ads on Facebook and you're lying, we're not going to run it. Simple as that. Facts are not optional. Facts are not up for debate. But Facebook wants to have it both ways. Facts are not optional. Facts are not up for debate. But Facebook wants to have it both ways. And that's why they're going to continue to get their behind kicked.

And Greg, this is critically important because we know, and this is why I keep trying to walk people through, these low information voters. He says, you know, the public should be able to, speech is so important and the public should be able to hear it but when you have people who don't know the truth and then somehow somebody presents it and there's a reason people I see these tweets rolling why you're interrupting people because if you lie on rolling mark unfiltered I'm stopping you and I'm a smack. And I'm going to smack you. Because I can't let somebody watching on YouTube or Facebook or Periscope or watching on Twitter or listening to the audio podcast go, well, Roland didn't say anything.

Roland didn't interrupt them, so what they said must be true. No. Facebook is normally allowing lies, and that's why Zuckerberg got jacked up, and he should have gotten jack be true. No. Facebook is normally allowing lies, and that's why Zuckerberg got jacked up, and he should have gotten jacked up. Absolutely. And his courtesy chairwoman and congresswoman notwithstanding, Mark Zuckerberg doesn't give a damn about anything

but Mark Zuckerberg and his private bottom line. Mark Zuckerberg went to China and asked Xi Jinping to give his daughter a Chinese name, trying to figure out another way to get into the Chinese market. Failing that, and he then says that China is a champion of censorship and they should be ignored and we have to be careful here in America and protect free speech because if we don't, the Chinese will own the internet. These are all scare tactics because he's afraid to lose his market.

This man, let me just connect a few dots. Pete Buttigieg says that he thinks that we should have more Supreme Court justices like Anthony Kennedy. Anthony Kennedy is the author of Citizens United. Citizens United is the terrible Supreme Court decision that basically said you can say whatever the hell you want if you're a corporation and spend as much money as you want to say it. Who suggested hires for Pete Buttigieg's campaign? Mark Zuckerberg and his wife. Mark Zuckerberg does not care. You've laid all this out.

This man is about making money. And if that means taking dirty money from wherever, then I'm going to do it. And finally, if he says, well, you know, this really isn't a bigger part of our bottom line, these ads, it isn't about the amount of bottom line the political ads are paying. It's about the brand of Facebook saying, this is

the Wild West, and if you give us our money, we'll do whatever we want. He talked to those congresswomen with the type of arrogant, white frat boy, Harvard bred, I don't give a damn about y'all arrogance that you see shooting through everybody from Brett Kavanaugh to Donald Trump Jr.

This man don't give a damn as long as he get his money rolling. That's it. That's it. Erica? Listen, and I'm over here amening Greg because this is what's consequential. If people do not believe that this matters for the argument of that,

oh, I just go on Facebook to laugh or it does not have any bearing on me, listen to me, bullshit. Because it is very much so a media firm. It is very much so influential. Facebook also owns Instagram and WhatsApp. It is a communications company, everybody. And when I'm reading reports that are already saying that memes are going to be a factor in this next presidential election. We have state elections that are going to be happening in the next couple of weeks. In the general election, an election where you already have a person that is occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, a freaking terrorist who has sold America and is continuing to sell democracy to the highest

bidder. If you do not believe that what you see and what you hear and not having the nuance to be able to understand what is true and what is factual does not have an impact on you or does not have an impact on your audience or the community at large, you are living foul. It absolutely does. And so that is why it is most important not only for us to be able to dissect these hearings, but to also understand that what is being flashed before your eyes is not all for your good and that there has to be some level of pushback, which is what these members of the House Financial Services Committee were doing, taking Facebook to task, but also letting the audience know that, listen, that they have opened floodgates that really cannot

be closed so easily. That's right. That's right. Let me also say this for the people who are watching. And again, I'm going to sit my iPad down again. Let me walk through this. Y'all are going to hear a lot more of this

over the next year. Right here on Roller Mark Unfiltered. I did a video called Black Media, Black Owned Media being the tip of the spear. What that means is that when you are in a battle,

you're the tip of the spear that connects with the skin, but somebody got to push that thing in in order to take your opponent out. Black-owned media is the tip of the spear. So everybody is focusing on the lying ads. But it was Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, who's a subcommittee chair on diversity and inclusion, who hit him on the issue of pension funds,

lawyers, legal, law firms, accounting firms. See, let me explain something y'all and trust me i'm gonna unpack this thing because i'm actually working on this thing right now and in fact my speech tonight to the minneapolis the twin cities urban league they want me to talk about unity but i'm gonna get y'all preview my speech. We can't talk about unity until we deal with money. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on.

See, when she hit him on that, what y'all got to understand is that black folks have been locked out of getting those dollars. So there's a whole bunch of y'all out there always trashing Reverend Jackson. But Reverend Jackson was the one who was talking about pension funds, or black folks being able to manage those dollars. When he was going after Silicon Valley companies, Verizon and others, he talked about the billions in bond offerings they were putting up.

And he was asking, where are the black law firms? Where are the black accounting firms? Where are the black bond firms? Do y'all know that right now the federal government has a $1 trillion-plus pension fund? And do y'all know that BlackRock controls more than half of the total pension fund in America? George Bush. Matter of fact, let me further unpack this.

In fact, BlackRock wrote the regulations where they were really the only firm eligible to be able to control the dollars. And let me unpack a little bit more. If you had to determine what is the greatest collection of black wealth, I say collection, the greatest collection of black wealth in America are black public workers. I need y'all to hear what I'm saying. who work for state governments, county governments, city governments, school districts, water districts. That's public pension funds. So the greatest collection of black wealth in America resides with public workers. Do y'all know of the $1 trillion in federal public pension funds

that black people only manage $100 million? That's right. $100 million of $1 trillion. That's the federal government. We ain't even talking about each one of the states and the billions in pension funds. That's that industry. Same thing when you talk about the advertising industry.

Who are the black creative directors? Who are the black ad agencies? Are they getting a piece of this pie? No, they're being controlled by these international conglomerates. What I'm laying out to you is that those questions by Congresswoman Joyce Beatty was getting to the heart of the issue of how do you break down the barriers when it comes to income inequality and wealth building when we're being locked out i can tell y'all for a fact i know it because i was sitting in the lunchroom and the department of treasury in 2010 when i was told that black and other

minority firms outperform white firms on the management of tarp funds and i said they'll get more money and everybody went quiet. So when everybody is focusing on the ads, which are critically important, we're going to be focused on what Congresswoman Joyce Beatty said. And we're going to have on this show, and we're going to talk about this because folks, I keep telling y'all there's only one federal agency that shares a lawn with the White House. It's the White House and the Department of Treasury. They can play flag football or kickball on the lawn.

I'm saying all of this, folks, because you better follow the money. And they're trying to hold Facebook accountable by saying, where the money? Why is it Facebook is funding all of these news shows and not one of them black? Oh, yes. Jada has Red Table Talk. That's not a news show. But I'm talking about they're funding a CNN show, a Fox News show, a Univision show. They're funding a whole bunch of shows. None on black. And when he said we don't collect data,

Facebook knows that black people over-index on their platform. We over-index on Twitter. We over-index on Instagram. Yet we don't own any of these platforms. And are those platforms and those companies making sure that black firms are getting dollars? I'll be unpacking this further on days ahead. Don't think for a second that we're done.

Got to go to a break. We'll be back. Roller Martin Unfiltered broadcasting live from Minneapolis. Back in a moment. You want to support Roller Martin Unfiltered? live from Minneapolis. Back in a moment. You want to support Roland Martin Unfiltered? Be sure to join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar that you give to us supports our daily digital show.

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14 different acts performing over three days. If you want to attend, go to lifeluxjazz.com, L-I-F-E-L-U-X-E-J-A-Z-Z.com. But if you cannot make it but you want to check it all out, there's a live streaming pass courtesy of GFNTV.com. That's GFNTV.com. Guys, let's put the website below me. And that is, of course, concerts over three days, 14 acts. Of course, Mark Curry, the comedian, is one of the folks who is confirmed for this event.

In addition to Mark Curry, it's going to be great concerts by, again, Gerald Albright, Alex Bunyong, Raul Madon, Incognito, Pieces of a Dream, Kirk Whalum, Average White Band, Donnie McClurkley, Shalaya, Roy Ayers, Tom Brown, Ronnie Laws, and Ernest Quarles. I'll be doing Roland Martin Unfiltered that Thursday and Friday from Cabo. Looking forward to it. But, again, if you want to watch the live stream, go to gfntv.com. That's gfntv.com. All right, folks, the city of Philadelphia has paid a $1.25 million settlement

to settle a lawsuit by a woman who claimed Chief Inspector Carl Holmes sexually assaulted her when she was an officer in a department in which she said sexual harassment was common and pervasive. Holmes remains on the job eight months after the payout. The settlement is the most recent involving the Philadelphia Police Department

over allegations of sexual harassment, but not the first. Over the past decade, according to public records, the city paid $222,000 to resolve five sexual harassment lawsuits involving cops. Speaking of foul cops, fired NYPD police officer Daniel Pantaleo, who was responsible for Eric Garner's chokehold death, is suing to get his job back. He filed a lawsuit this today against the NYPD, alleging the decision to terminate him was arbitrary and capricious, according to his attorney. Pantaleo has the right

to appeal his termination under Article 78, a New York civil code that sets a path for challenges to rulings by a government agency. And also when we talk about cops gone crazy, video of a school resource officer wrestling with and restraining a crying 11-year-old girl is getting new attention this week after it was announced that the officer resigned amid continued criticism over his use of excessive force on a child. Folks, brace yourself because this video is extremely painful to watch. Put your arms behind your back. Ow!

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Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Ow! Stop! Put your arms behind your back! I'm saying let me get off! Zach, let her stand up. Let her get off of me! Stop resisting! Stop resisting! We're past that!

Get off of me! It's on you from here then, Zach. It's on you! I've, Zach. Get off of me. It's on you. It's on you. Stop. I've asked you to let her stand up. It's on you from here, Zach. Get off of me. Stop resisting.

Get off of me. Cut your hand. I can't. As I said, the police officer, Zachary Christensen, has resigned. He denied he was using sexist force on the 11-year-old girl, even after a school administrator told him she is not a threat to anyone. Erica, when you look at these cases, again, these cops gone wild,

where are the bad apples people? The few bad apples. So let me start by saying this, Roland. I listened to the audio because we played it on the show. I did not watch it. And one thing I want to kind of because we played it on the show. I did not watch it. And one thing I want to kind of like start this off by saying is that there has got to be this movement away from these people that are in these jobs as being doing something that is so heroic, one of the bravest jobs in the world. It is a job.

It is something that folks apply for and that they walk into. It is not the bravest jobs in the world. It is a job. It is something that folks apply for and that they walk into. It is not the bravest job in the world. But then, just wanted to preface it by saying that. But then secondly, I'm wanting to know where in the hell are all of the bout it people? Because see, we should be in schools and be present every single day.

Everybody popping off at the mouth and having so much authority in them and saying what elected officials should and should not be doing. Well, why aren't you present in schools? Why aren't you ensuring that these people that have been placed in our schools to really antagonize and to abuse our children aren't taken to task? This grown man followed around an 11-year-old child

and waited for the moment to assault her. And that's exactly what happened. He assaulted her and then tried to justify it by saying that she was stronger than him, an 11-year-old baby. These are our children. They are not stronger. They are not faster. They are children. And so my question is back to our community. Where are we when we have a real

vivid understanding that unless this happens to white children, that it is not an epidemic, it's not an issue. I know that we all know within our family, within our communities, that there have been people that have done things like this in the name of being resource officers. So I want to ask that question. And then I also want to follow up by asking this. I want to follow up by asking, you have an 11-year-old child that now has a level of post-traumatic stress disorder from having a negative encounter with police officer. He's been at the school for four years and you cannot begin to tell me that this lapel, this 77 minute lapel clip that was called is his first encounter with a black student. So again, where are all the bout it

people? Where are you? I'm looking for you. I want to know where you are. All of the Internet gangs, all of the people that are able to type so quickly and have something really smart and snippy to say, where are you? Because our children are being hunted and they are being killed. They're being killed in their spirit and they're being killed in their person.

And also bringing forward that our children are leading in suicide, meaning they're getting out of here way too soon. This is an epidemic, and it doesn't matter that media doesn't care. We are a strong and big and large community. Our caring should be more than enough. All right, Greg.

No, I echo every word that we just heard from Sister Erica. In fact, as you were talking to Erica, I was thinking to myself, where was I? Where am I? I think it falls on all of us. This white man went home that night. He got to leave his job. You put your hands on a child. And the other man is sitting there watching you saying, let her stand up.

She kept repeating, let me up. Let me go. Leave me alone. Let me up. And yeah, you know, I will say one thing in his defense. She was stronger than him. She was stronger in him in spirit. It looks like she might even have been physically stronger than him

because his little punk behind couldn't get her arm behind, and she was not going down. That young sister right there, whatever she did or didn't do is irrelevant. She would not have her will broken in that moment. And that's what he was mad at, this little piece of a man. But this little piece of a man, as Erica said, followed her around, picked at her for touching a piece of paper, tried to say that she assaulted the principal when she brushed past him or he brushed past her in the doorway, kept trying to figure out, you going to jail for 50 cents worth of paper. Okay, big man, but you still walk in the streets.

You got to go to sleep last night. You probably going to apply for another job and get it. And when you walk in with your little 10 badge and your attitude in a hallway, then I got to ask myself a question. What kind of man am I to let you walk into school? What kind of man am I to let you even walk around? And Daniel Pantaleo, I applaud him.

Apply for your job back. It is your constitutional right. If they hire him back, now we got another problem. You done killed somebody. In other words, and then finally, this brother who is putting his hands on women in Philadelphia in part of this epidemic, there is a culture in policing that gives these people this attitude that they are bigger than God. So you can put your hand on a woman,

you can slap around a child, you can choke a man to death, until we deal with the fundamental structural, cultural problem of policing in this country, that gives these people this attitude that they are bigger than God. your hand on a woman, you can slap around a child, you can choke a man to death. Until we deal with the fundamental structural, cultural problem of policing in this country, this isn't going to get better. It's only going to get worse.

And he's going to come up on the right one in a minute and there ain't going to be no conversation. He's not going to go home that night. And I won't lose a wink of sleep if that happens. Absolutely. And just to add, too, that understanding that there's a report. Owen just wanted to add, Roland, that white supremacist Proud Boys, that membership is growing within law enforcement ranks. So literally, it is absolutely time to wake up.

We know that there's always been that presence there, that slave patrols. That's definitely an outflow from what we're seeing now. But that they are here and they're not going anywhere. That's right. Well, speaking of that, a grand jury decided not to press criminal charges against a corrections officer who drove into a group of protesters. Y'all remember that story? Well, that's what we're also dealing with there.

And so, look, bottom line is we, this country gives folks as much leeway as possible, and that's how we operate. But that's why we're also here in Roland Martin-Underfield to cover these stories, to keep you aware so you understand what is going on. That's why we also need your support. Folks, nobody else is doing this. I'm telling you right now, nobody else is doing a daily, five-day-a-week news show specifically targeting African Americans.

There's a bunch of folks out here who are just talking and who are talking about beauty and hair care and tips along those lines, and that's great, but we need news and information to be empowered when it comes to what's happening in our community. That's why we do Roland Martin Unfiltered. That's why we travel this country, covering events all across this country, because we want to be able to give you an insight

into what is happening in black America and nobody else is doing. And you could do a roll call. Eight black networks. Do them. TV One, Cleo TV, BET, BET Her, Bounce TV, Revolt TV, Own, Aspire. None of them are doing any news. They're not doing not even one hour a week out of 1,344 hours.

Look at all these websites out there. You can run the line, okay? BET.com, The Root, The Griot, all of these sites. They're not doing this. Yeah, they're putting up video, but I'm talking about a place where our experts and our people can come and share their insights when it comes to these issues that's why this matters but here's the deal real folks and so i saw some of y'all comments

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I'm going to try to live stream the speech. Not sure how the Wi-Fi is going to work in the room. We're going to try to make it happen. And so Greg and Eric, I certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Folks, I will see y'all tomorrow from Los Angeles. We're NABJ.

We're having our advocacy day meeting with media companies all across Los Angeles. I will NABJ. We're having our advocacy day, meeting with media companies all across Los Angeles. I will be on the ground there, but also coming live from LA. See how we do it? We keep it moving. I got to go. Holla! this is an iHeart podcast