#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 11.10 RMU: SCOTUS hears argument challenging ACA; Trump election lawsuits; COVID vaccine questions

Episode Date: November 11, 2020

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Today is Tuesday, November 10, 2020. Coming up, a roller martin unfiltered. The Supreme Court hearing arguments today in a case that could eliminate the Affordable Care Act. Lawsuits continue to be filed by Donald Trump election team, but what does the election law tell us? Also, how petty is Donald Trump? He is refusing to allow Joe Biden

to receive intelligence briefings. Dude, really? How petty are you? And the Senate will vote on yet another white man for a lifetime appointment to the federal bench. We'll also answer questions about the coronavirus vaccine developed by Pfizer and neo-Nazis send flyers attacking Black Lives Matter

to members in Texas. And it is confirmed Bishop Harry Jackson Jr. did have COVID-19. He died yesterday. He was a big-time Trump supporter and was at that September 26th event featuring Amy Coney Barrett at the White House that has turned into a super spreader event. It's time to bring the funk. I'm Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. He's rolling, yeah, yeah It's Uncle Roro, yo Yeah, yeah It's Rolling Martin, yeah

Yeah, yeah Rolling with rolling now Yeah, yeah He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rolling Martin now All right, folks, today the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a Justice Brett Kavanaugh suggested that the court may may cast aside the individual mandate while leaving the rest standing. President-elect Harris and I, we're going to do everything in our power to ease the burden of health care on you and your families. I promise you that. As I said, I will protect your health care like I protect like as my own family.

And we've been unfortunately significant consumers of health care. That starts by building on the Affordable Care Act. With the dramatic expansion of healthcare coverage and bold steps to lower healthcare costs, my transition team will soon be starting its work to flesh out the details so that we can hit the ground running, tackling costs, increasing access, lowering the price of prescription drugs. Families are reeling right now, particularly the reporters in this room and others listening. You've interviewed a lot of these people around the country

as you've gone all over the world, all over the country. Enduring illnesses, faced with risky choices, losing their employer plans in droves. Over 10 million have already lost their employer plans. They need a lifeline, and they need it now. They million have already lost their employer plans. They need a lifeline and they need it now. They should have to hold their breath. They shouldn't be in that position, waiting to see if the Supreme

Court is going to wrench away the peace of mind they've come to now rely on. So we're going to get right to work. I promise you. Addressing the issues that families are talking about around their kitchen tables this morning,

making sure that they can get bed tonight with the peace of mind that they deserve, and fulfilling our moral obligation to ensure that here in America, health care is a right for all, not a privilege for a few. So come January, we're going to work quickly with the Congress to dramatically ramp up healthcare protections, get Americans universal

coverage, lower healthcare costs as soon as humanly possible. That's the promise I make to you. We're going to fight for your family's health coverage the same way we fight for our own family's health coverage. We want we fight for our own family's health coverage. We want every single American to know if you're sick, if you're struggling, if you're worried about how you're going to get going to get through the day, we will not abandon you. That is a

promise. We'll not leave you to face these challenges alone. We're going to get through this. We're going to get through this. We're going to get through it together. And we're going to build a health care system that puts you and your families first and that every American can be proud of. I want to thank you all for listening. May God bless you. May God keep you safe in this COVID environment. And may God protect our troops. Good afternoon. Today, the Supreme Court heard arguments in a case that could strike down the Affordable Care Act in its entirety. If the Supreme Court agrees with the opponents of the act, their decision could take health care away from 20 million Americans. It could take away protections for more than 100 hundred million people with pre-existing conditions in our country and hurt the

millions of Americans who have come to rely on the Affordable Care Act. Getting rid of the Affordable Care Act will take us backward to a time when people could charge a woman more for her health care than they could charge a man, simply because she's a woman, to a time when pregnancy could be considered a pre-existing condition. It will take away free birth control and contraceptive coverage for women. This is all happening at a moment when our country is suffering through a pandemic that has claimed more than 238,000 lives. And we all know that if the Affordable Care Act is struck down,

communities of color would be hit particularly hard, Black, Asian, Hispanic, and Native American, because they are at a greater risk of pre-existing conditions from asthma to diabetes to lupus. And they are also three times as likely to contract COVID-19 and twice as likely to die as others. Now, I know we all know that we just had an election in America, an election where health care was very much on the ballot, our country had a clear choice in this election. Each and every vote for Joe Biden was a vote to protect and expand the Affordable Care Act, not to tear it away in the midst of a global pandemic. And Joe Biden won the election decisively, with more votes than have ever been cast in American history. It amounts to 75 million voices and counting calling on the Supreme Court to see this case for what it is, a blatant attempt to overturn the will of the people. And the President

Elect and I cannot let that happen. And now it is my honor to introduce President-elect Joe Biden. All right, folks, joining me right now is Dr. Leon McDougal, President of the National Medical Association, and Dr. Patrice Harris. She's President of the American Medical Association. Dr. Harris, I want to start with you. The Supreme Court arguments were quite interesting because some justices basically said that, hey, Congress, you want us to do your work and overturn this? That's not really what our job is, your assessment of today's oral arguments from the Supreme Court. Roland, first of all, thank you for having me on.

And we have had a transition at the AMA. I am now immediate past president, but so honored to be on your show and to talk about this very important topic. We know that the Affordable Care Act has been instrumental in die younger, forego medical care, unable to pay for their medications or other treatments recommended by their physicians. So although, you know, we should and should not try to predict what the ultimate outcome will be, the questions today, at least in my mind, demonstrated that the justices are going to be reluctant in overturning this law. But we will have to see. But that is one reason this gains in coverage for the uninsured and all of the protections. And as you know, Roland, I am a psychiatrist, and so many more people have been able to gain access to mental health care, care for substance use disorders because of the Affordable Care Act. That's why the AMA filed an amicus brief.

So based on the questions today, it looks like it will be upheld. But certainly we will all have to keep the pressure on because this law overturning this law would be devastating. And that, and Dr. McDougal, that really is something that's here. And what's amazing is Republicans have done everything they could to overturn this, to get rid of it, but they've offered no, no, no alternative. And this whole idea of, oh, let's overturn the law first and then we'll come up with something. So the American public, we've got nothing to compare it to. It's literally the Affordable Care Act or nothing. So, Roland, I want to bring to attention that the Affordable Care Act is still in existence. And this administration has cut the advertisement budget for the Affordable Care Act. So I would ask that people interested in learning more about how to sign up, go to getamericacovered.org, getamericacovered.org, because this administration cut the advertisement budget.

Well, but again, they cut it because they wanted to choke it off. But again, they have had more than 50 votes to get rid of it. To date, the Republican Party has not offered an extensive replacement plan. Donald Trump has lied for five years saying, I got a plan. I got a plan. It's coming next week. It's coming in two weeks. It's coming in three weeks. It's coming next month. I'm going to sign it next month. And they've done nothing. Kayleigh McEnany presented Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes, this huge book of their health plan. It wasn't a health plan. It was different executive orders

and other stuff. It wasn't an actual health plan. So, Roland, you have been so insightful in cutting through all the nonsense. You're bringing an unfiltered viewpoint on these tactics to confuse the people. So I commend you on bringing such important topics to the table because 20 million people losing their health insurance during a global pandemic is heartless and unexplainable. It's a lack of leadership. Dr. Harris, the reason this is a huge deal, first of all, we talk about 20 million Americans. But we're talking about young folks who are still covered on their parents' insurance. We're talking about even how we've had Medicaid expansion, where we had rural hospitals shutting down in this country, and how it has impacted folks, many folks who voted for Trump, who voted for Republicans,

really voting against their own economic interests. I remember 2016 where the previous governor of Kentucky was absolutely against Medicaid expansion. He was against the Affordable Care Act. And I remember he was a Tea Party guy. And I remember these white folks in Kentucky voted for him. And then they came back and they voted for him and Trump and then said, man, I sure hope they don't mess with Affordable Care Act. They hated Obamacare,

but they love the Affordable Care Act. That shows you how disinformation and messaging can completely obscure reality. Roland, we saw that with the Affordable Care Act and when they branded it Obamacare, it was not popular. But when you ask people specifically about the proposals, or if you would call it the Affordable Care Act, there was a lot of support. And we know that so many people of all races have benefited from the expansions and health care coverage for the Affordable Care Act. But, Roland, it's also similar to how we have made masks a partisan issue. And that is so unfortunate because making sure that folks have the coverage that they need, that young folks stay on their parents' insurance,

that people aren't filing medical or bankruptcies due to medical debt. These are nonpartisan issues. Mask wearing is a nonpartisan issues. And that's why I'm glad you're talking about this tonight on your show. I know Dr. McDougal and I are always working to make sure that people get accurate information. And there's no question that people can have more opportunities for living healthier lives with the expansion caused by the Affordable Care Act. Dr. McDougal, how critical is the Affordable Care Act for African Americans? What have we seen the benefits of this since it became law on the health of black folks? The health of black people has improved. And I'm going to point out another issue. So what states haven't adopted the Affordable Care Act?

So states that we live in, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Texas, North Carolina, Tennessee. So there's still more opportunity to provide preventive services and insurance from the communities we hail from. My dad's from Mississippi. My mom's from Alabama. So if we were still living there, we wouldn't have access to affordable health care. The thing that really jumps out at me here, Dr. Harris, is that in 2004, I filed for bankruptcy due to having massive health care costs. More than 60% of Americans who file for bankruptcy, they file because of health-related issues. And the Affordable Care Act, once it was passed, led to a dramatic decrease in health-related bankruptcy filings

because you were covered and pre-existing conditions were always covered and the insurance companies could not screw you over and drop you because of it. And that's so important. We do talk about certainly our health, but our economic health is important. And you raise the point about the number of bankruptcies caused by medical debt. And we saw those decrease dramatically after the enactment of the Affordable Care Act. And by the way, we all know there is some synergy when you're talking about your financial health, as well as your overall health. And so clearly, we made such gains regarding health, regarding our economic health with the Affordable Care Act. And I'm so glad you raised that issue.

Oh, Dr. McDougall, a final comment for you. Dr. Harris brings up an excellent point. And so speaking to that, so if that goes away, 135 million people in the U.S. have pre-existing illnesses. So it's a free for all. There's no safety net. It really causes a wild, wild west as far as insurance is concerned. And that's tragic. All right. Dr. Madugal, who leads the National Medical Association, Dr. Harris, who leads the American Medical Association. We appreciate both of you. Thank you so very much for joining us. Thank you. All right, folks. And I want to go to our panel. Joining us right now, Dr. Julian Malveaux, President, excuse me, President Emerita, Bennett College, also an economist, Kelly Bethea, communications strategist, Joseph Pignon, Republican strategist and political commentator.

Joseph, I want to start with you. More than 50 votes. Votes, votes, votes. Donald Trump keeps promising. I got a plan, got a plan, got a plan, got a plan, got a plan, got a plan, got a plan. Ain't seen it. Haven't seen it. Republicans keep saying they got a plan. Where is it? And so here's the deal. If you're the American public, I might want to be able to see a plan before I really know what you're trying to do.

They want to kill it and have nothing to offer for it. Look, here's the truth. Obviously, President Trump has been in office for the better part of four years now. We had the initial push when President Trump first took office. We had fat repeal, skinny repeal, Graham-Cassidy repeal, none of the repeals did any of the things the Republican-Garazzi opposed to the Affordable Care Act in the first place, which was to try to lower the premium costs, while at the same time trying to hopefully increase the breadth of coverage. So I think, to your point, it is with merit that obviously voters should be allowed to see plans before they are asked to go into a voter booth and act in blind trust.

So I think there is a strong argument to make. I think the reality that we face in American politics today is that people say, vote for me today and I'll show you the plan tomorrow. And I think that that is a bipartisan problem that we see in American politics today. But to your point, when it comes to the issue of health care, particularly on the on the on the backside of a global pandemic or perhaps in the midst of a global pandemic, because we're still dealing with the impacts of covid today as rates go up, there are precipitously higher numbers of individuals who are going to have previous conditions. And the word of President Trump or the word of any president that don't worry, we'll take care of you.

Clearly, at this point, it's no longer sufficient. I mean, Julian, here's what's just laughable about this here. Donald Trump has given interviews to numerous people. Chris Wallace, oh, in two weeks, I'll be signing in two weeks. Stephanopoulos, oh, oh, it'll be next week. Just lying. Just straight up lying. And then during the debates, he's like, oh no, I got a health

plan. We killed the individual mandate. That's it? That's your plan? I mean, he's a liar. He's presented nothing at all. Well, you know, my grandmother used to say, why tell the truth when a lie will do?

And there it is. He's been lying since he's been in office. They've documented more than 20,000 lies that he's told. But this is probably one of the most pernicious because he keeps saying he has a plan. We haven't seen it. If there's a plan, it should have been put in legislative form, presented to the Congress and to the Senate, and passed as legislation. We haven't seen that. I don't know what Avar, the HHS secretary, does, but he certainly, that might be where a plan would germinate from, but he certainly hasn't

said anything. And so in the middle of this COVID crisis, you have to argue that health care is necessary. No one has said whether having COVID, which now more than 20 million people have had, 200,000, 230,000 people dying, is COVID going to be a preexisting condition? I mean, this man has been a joke for the better part of four years, and he remains a joke. And the only hope we have here is that those Supreme Court justices, the three, Barrett,

Roberts, and the other one. Alito. You got, look, you got Kavanaugh, Roberts, Alito. You got Clarence Thomas as well. And you got Gorsuch. It looks like this thing may actually survive. I mean, I love what Roberts said about that's not our job. You know, the truth is that if the Republicans want to get rid of the Affordable Care Act that badly, they need to come up with legislation that provides a solution.

But they've had time. They haven't done it. They don't know how to do it, quite frankly. And there we have it. However, you know, they say you get born all night and joy comes in the morning. I think that President-elect Biden is going to be time enough for them around this health issue. Kelly, Bob Lye is here. Republicans have no plan. And what gets me is all these broke-ass white folks running after them, voting for them. And I'm going, if there's probably the most important issue facing you, yeah, it's going to be health care. I mean, you can sit in and be concerned

all you want to about abortion. You can be concerned all you want to about the Second Amendment and your gun. But if your ass stroke out, that don't mean a damn thing. You might want to have a health care plan other than relying on the emergency room. And that's what a lot of people, especially that

demographic that you just described, have to go through if anything happens to them. If they so much as sneeze and they don't have health insurance, they have to go to the emergency room. But bottom line is, for these people who are so against Obamacare but are so for, you know, constitutional rights and, you know, tradition, et cetera, et cetera, you cannot even exercise your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if you're dead. And what the ACA does is protect you, essentially, from death. And it also helps you exercise your right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness because it helps preserve your health. So it is incredibly frustrating to me for the

people who actually need it the most not see that point, but also on the Republican end, the people who are supposed to know all of these points, they should also know that their job is to legislate. Legislate meaning make law. They are trying to put that onus onto a body of government that is not designed to make law. And what you heard in Justice Roberts' comments today is frustration. Once again, they are coming to the court make up this law for us because we can't do it on our own. But the problem is they can't do it on their own because they're wrong. You cannot just take out a safety net for millions of Americans without a backup plan, especially in the middle of a pandemic,

especially when most of your base is relying on said safety net being Obamacare. So they just aren't the cognitive dissonance is just right there. And it's incredibly frustrating to everybody involved, even the Republicans for not getting what they want out of the court. They the court is frustrated with the fact that the legislation isn't doing its job, and millions of Americans are about to be frustrated, and are frustrated right now, because

people just aren't doing their jobs the way that they are supposed to be done. And it's all because the word Obama is in one of their basic rights. Let me just be real. I don't think it's because of the word Obama. Yes, it is, Joseph. Joseph Yates not.

Joseph, Joseph, Joseph. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I don't know what you're going to say. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on.

So, Joseph, what am I going to say? You're going to say that there are plenty of people across this country, well-documented, who are in favor of the affordable care. No, that's not what I was going to say. That's not what I was going to say. No, what I was going to say that there are plenty of people across this country, well documented, who are in favor of the affordable care. No, that's not what I was going to say. That's not what I was going to say. No, what I was going to say. No, Joseph, that's not what I was going to say. What I was going to say is this here.

Let me explain to people where the phrase Obamacare originated from. There were focus groups that were done by the Republicans to figure out how to oppose the Affordable Care Act. So, for instance, there used to be a thing called the estate tax. Republicans, folks like Frank Luntz, did focus groups and they said, let's not call it the estate tax. Let's call it the death tax. But you know Republicans aren't the only ones that run. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Follow me here. But but it was but it was Republicans who specifically had the focus groups to figure out how can we change the language, the narrative

on the Affordable Care Act. So what did they do? They've settled on Obamacare. And what they decided is that if we put Obama's name in it, it doesn't matter what the bill is. This is what it's going to come down to, which is why I was one of the people because Democrats were like, oh, sure. Obamacare. I was like, no, y'all are actually grabbing grabbing their disinformation and weaponizing against yourself. That's why when you can go on the streets and ask people, it happened in Kentucky, Joseph. They said, do you support? They asked them, do you support or oppose Obamacare? Oh, I'm against Obamacare.

Do you support the Affordable Care Act? Oh, I love it. It's the same thing. The word Obama is the key word. You have to understand, first of all, anytime you say the word Obama, you're going to have at least 65 to 70 percent of Republicans opposed. And that's why they did it.

Right, but you're missing the point. There's two separate issues. There is the reasons they're the principled reasons why people are opposed to the Affordable Care Act. And then there are the political tactics that are being leveraged to make sure that the ACB is either a undermined or B didn't come into fruition. Obviously, they weren't able to stop it from coming into fruition because they did not have the political power to do it. But subsequent to that, again, if you want to talk about things like getting rid of the actual individual mandate, I mean, the irony here is the Republicans in many ways have been hustling backwards because they were actually able to strike down the portion of the law that inevitably

would have deemed the law perhaps unconstitutional. And now they're back at the courts pleading for, you know, as you have said, for the courts to do their job when they have not proposed any solution. So, look, I think we could get stuck in a in a health care loop all day. I think at the end of the day, what most Americans want is to be able to make sure that they don't actually have to get go bankrupt because they get sick. I think that's what people across the political spectrum want. The issue becomes what is the mechanism that's going to allow people to do that? No, actually, there's no issue because the Republican Party has not offered a single alternative.

They have not put forth a single plan. I mean, that's not entirely true. I think there have been plans that have been put forward. They have not actually passed them. They have not actually leveraged political... Hold on. Hold on. Joseph, when I say put forth a plan, that means pass it. Republicans control the United States Senate,

right? They have the majority. At any point, at any point in the last four years, in the last six years, has a Republican... No, no. That's my question. At any point... Joseph, answer the question. put a plan on the table and voted in the United States Senate at any point? Yes. When? We didn't we didn't sit there. We have to have that's what Senator where it where where the late

great Senator McCain is sitting there with this thumb down and we've got no, no, no, no. See, Joseph, you're wrong. That vote was to repeal the Affordable Care Act. That's not what I said. What I said is what I said. No, no, Joseph, Joseph, repeat, repeat, Joseph, Joseph, repealing the Affordable Care Act and passing your own health plan are two different things. So so right before he turned his thumb down, he did not see go. He did. There was not a vote for Senator Graham and Senator Cassidy to pass health care? That didn't happen? I made this up?

Joseph, Joseph, has the Republican Party, has the Republican Party passed? Has the Republican Party passed? They didn't pass it. Of course they haven't passed it. We wouldn't be here having the conversations that have been passed. That wasn't the point. And I think I started this entire segment by saying that they had ample time to propose solutions, and they have failed to do it. That wasn't my point.

The point that I was trying to make was that at some point we have to accept the fact that there are actual principled reasons why people were opposed to the Affordable Care Act, which are separate from the fact that people just hated everything Obama liked, which, to be clear- And I agree with you there. Just absolutely. I'm not saying that everybody opposes ACA because it says Obama.

What I'm saying is a lot of people oppose ACA because it says Obama. A lot of people. And that rounds out those who have a rationale behind ACA being into play. But even still, like Roland is saying, they have not really offered an alternative. If anything, the reason why the ACA was upheld by SCOTUS is because of the individual mandate saying that it was a tax. And Republicans said, OK, it's not a tax anymore. So but that was years ago. So basically, they just brought their solution to ACA to the court because that was the whole reason that uh SCOTUS said this is on y'all

because the tax part is a legislative issue well legislature republican at that fixed that issue but they still want to bring it to court because they don't want to do their job like my original point was and actually legislate it out of law. A hundred percent. The same Republicans. So they can do their job for them. Let me jump in here for just a minute, folks. There was a Republican majority in the House and in the Senate. This could have been done. They are devoid of ideas.

They're devoid of ideas. They're devoid of creativity. And many of them don't believe that people should have health care. I mean, notwithstanding the fact that, as Roland said earlier, 60% of bankruptcy have to do with medical debt, notwithstanding the fact that COVID is hitting us very hard, they don't think that people should have health care. They're more interested in the insurance companies than in people. They're more interested in basically profit than in people. And so, you know, Joseph, you can go around the mulberry bush if you want to about a full, you know, about whatever you said,

you said it three times. So that made me forget, but, um, you can go around the mulberry bush as many times as you want to. But the bottom line is that Rosen is right. We saw all this proof. People don't like Obamacare. They do like the Affordable Care Act. So we may want to know, why do they like the Affordable Care Act? What's in it for them? The main thing that people are resisting, pre-existing conditions.

And 135 million Americans have pre-existing conditions, whether it's high blood pressure, diabetes, or something else. So basically you are basically consigning another, the rest of the people to good healthcare and the other folks to catch as catch can, emergency room or whatever, or potential bankruptcy. Explain this, and this is the deal. A record high, 62% of Americans support the Affordable Care Act. 85% Democrats, 36% Republicans. Now, here's the key here. Here's the key here. 56% say it should be improved and strengthened. 20 percent say it should be struck down and left alone.

Pre-existing conditions, 79 percent support health insurance protections for people. And that's also why you saw President Trump running around the country saying we're going to take care of people with pre-existing conditions. And that's also why you saw President Trump running around the country saying, we're going to take care of people with pre-existing conditions, because he knows, as well as most Republicans knows, that there is no political will for somebody who is going to consign people to a life without health care for the rest of their lives, which will probably be very short. So still, where is his plan? Well, I've got to say before, they don't have a plan.

The bottom line of the Affordable Care Act, but they have nothing to replace it. They have nothing to replace it with. I think, as I said before, they need this notion that people should put their blind trust in politicians and say that, hey, you take our word for it, it should be gone from the past. People should not trust politics. Well, Republicans damn sure did. Here's what I know. Here's what I know.

Here's what I know. You're making it a partisan issue. No, no, no, no, no. I'm making it a partisan issue because the numbers show it's a partisan issue. Numbers don't lie. The issue of people saying take my word for it and not presenting a plan ahead of time is what I'm saying is not a partisan issue on the issue of health care. That's what Republicans have done. Mr. 45, soon to be ex-president. Mr. 45 has run around talking about I have a plan. I'm going to take care of you.

We're going to deal with pre-existing conditions. We haven't seen a piece of legislation. We haven't seen a plan. We haven't seen anything. So you're right that we shouldn't take politicians word. But here's the bottom line. We have a president who is just a bold faced liar, a bold faced liar who has been deficient on all issues concerning health. Morally deficient, fiscally deficient, and intellectually deficient. Here, right here, here, right here, is why this is partisan. This is, so September

2020, a morning consult poll. Right here. All voters in March, 55% supported the Affordable Care Act in September with 62%. Democrats, in March, 83% supported it. In September, 25%.

Is your position that the only... No, no, no. One second. One second. One second. Independents, in March, 50% support, 59 percent support in Republicans in March. Twenty eight percent supported September. Thirty six percent. I dare say I would love to actually see a poll done. Do you support Obamacare or do you support the Affordable Care Act? We have seen. I don't think I don't think I'm arguing that point. I think the point that I've been making

is that this notion that we have a bipartisan agreement on issues that politicians on Capitol Hill can't find a way to pass legislation on is not unique to healthcare. I'm sorry. Hold on, Joseph.

Who made that point? I made that point. That's the point I've been making. Okay, but duh. I mean, we obviously know we're in fractured times, but the point I'm still making is this here. Republicans can oppose the Affordable Care Act all day. Look, majority of Americans, a super majority of Americans,

support it. Support it. So if they support it, why are they so hell-bent on trying to get rid of something that 62% of Americans say, I like? I think the reality is that most Americans like what the Affordable Care Act accomplishes.

I think what Republicans and many people like myself have said is that the manner in which it is accomplished is not sustainable. It is not consistent with what people think are the best practices for health care. So where is where is this best practices bill? Where is it? You'd have to ask the president that, as I've said. I can't. I can't.

Look, look, look. This is real basic for me. This is real basic for me. Hold on. This is real basic for me. This is real basic for me. If you tell me, look, man, the food, it ain't so good. I'd cook that food better.

Okay. Get your ass in the kitchen and go cook. What you're not going to do is say the food ain't good. And then I say, get your ass and go cook. You're like, oh, no, no, no. I don't cook.

I don't cook. I'm just saying the food ain't no good. Well, if your ass can't improve the food, if you can't sit here and contribute to the meal, all you're doing is running your mouth. And that's what Republicans are doing. Republicans are making no effort because, first of all, when you say even improve, they don't even want to improve.

They want to get rid of. They want to totally get rid of it. And I'm just still waiting when manna from heaven is going to fall down and then they're going to actually present a plan. I'm just waiting. I would love to read it. I mean, again, I don't think I'm saying anything different than you're saying. There was no plan. There should have been a plan. There wasn't one then, ain't one today, ain't going to be one tomorrow. Well, there'll be a plan because the reality is that you won't be able to win elections without one. I mean, that's not just how big you're talking about.

You're talking about climate. There's a whole lot of Republicans. There are a plethora of issues in American political life. A lot of Republicans just won with no plan. Well, yeah, because at the end of the day, we figured out that people can get elected dividing people, even though their neighbors agree on the issue. Actually, you can get elected lying to people, and they are so gullible, they actually fall for it.

So here's the deal. Look, first of all, the Supreme Court is probably going to come back in two or three months with a decision. We've got lots more time to talk about it. I've got to go to a break. We'll come back. We're going to talk about these crazy-ass Trump folk, I'm still trying to figure out how you won Senate seats and House seats, but those votes are good,

but the same votes in the presidential race are bad. That's next to roller-running filter. Utilizing what I know. I'm being able to speak about something that I used to didn't do that I can say, yeah, that was me. But it's okay. It's okay now because I know better now. And you can too. I'm able to say that so they can relate to what I'm saying.

So I can capture their attention and be able to knock on their door and say, hey, you with me? And now they feel more opt to pay attention and more opt to be able to go out there and say, oh, well, just maybe, because she said. And I'm a fan of hers, so the connection is, well, OK, what do I have to lose? Because sitting at home is what you're losing out on. And a lot of them don't even know how important the vote is.

It's like, well, you know what, if I don't, you know, nobody going to miss my vote until you have a 50-50 share, and it's 49 and 51, and you're like, ah. Then you got to feel like an ASS and go, see. From the day we started this campaign, we made it a priority to talk to Georgians wherever you live. Herb Warnock, so good to see you again. Thank you so much for doing this.

So excited about your campaign. Georgia needs a senator who will stand up for health care, who will stand up for Medicare, who will stand up for our children. We need leaders who will not forget who sent them there in the first place. I think he'll stand up for me. We've already voted for you.

I think he'll stand up for everybody in Georgia. Augusta, Savannah, Valdosta, Columbus, they may be miles apart on the map, but the challenges we face are quite the same. You're completely behind. Thank you so much for running. It's not about him. It's all about the people.

If you elect me the next United States Senator from the state of Georgia, your agenda will be my agenda. Raphael Warnock will practice what he preaches. We're not getting that now. I'm Raphael Warnock and I approve this message. I'm John Ossoff and the path to recovery is clear. First, we listen to medical experts to control this virus. Then we shore up our economy with stronger support for small businesses and tax relief for working families. And it's time for a historic infrastructure plan to get people back to work and invest in our future.

We need leaders who bring us together to get this done. And that's why I approve this message. You go to prison at 19. Sentenced for how long? 15 years. And you're, for the first time, you're hearing this old man talk about.. Mm-hmm. What did you say?

What's that? What's that? And why does that make a difference? What did he say? And he that? What's that? And why does that make a difference? What did he say? And he broke the averages thing down to me. About they gonna be stealing money. And his thing was about people getting out. He said, man, a lot of people gonna be here that's not gonna get out

because Bush is gonna come in and he gonna set off all these people's sentences just to show that he's tough on crime to get favor with whoever put him in office. Made sense to me. Once he broke it down, then I started reading about voting and the importance of voting. Just talking with them. Because these are men who probably marched for voting, probably something went wrong in their life, they still ended up in this place.

But there was a lot of knowledgeable people there, and I just hung with the old cats that had all this information. Hey, man, when you get out, this is what needs to happen. This is what's not in the community. in this place where there was a lot of knowledgeable people that I just hung with the old cats that had all this information. Hey, man, when you get out, this is what needs to happen. This is what's not in the community. This is the reason why you're here. You know what I'm saying? You don't see it like this, you know?

And I'm like, man, wow. That was deep, what you just said. All right, the Republican Party and Donald Trump, boy, they are really stuck on stupid, y'all. They are losing their mind. They are alleging just voter fraud everywhere. Y'all want to see stupid? I'm going to show y'all stupid. Kim Klachek, the clueless child running for,

who ran against Kwasi and Fumey, who got dusted. And when I say dusted, she got dusted, y'all. She lost 75% to 25%. Do y'all know that her ass literally sent a tweet out saying that oh my goodness I'm going to appeal

I'm going to appeal my race because surely that's why I lost because of voter fraud. Boo. You ain't lose

because voter fraud. You lost because you a fraud. In fact, y'all, look at this dumb ass tweet. She said, first of all, Trump tweeted, he quoted some pollster in Britain. She goes, agreed.

I beat my opponent on day of an in-person early voting along with absentee. However, 97,000 mail-in ballots were found in his favor. Luckily, we raised enough money to investigate. Julianne. That young lady. These people, but it's, wait a minute. The fool who lost to Karen Bass.

It got worse. Let me find this tweet. Let me find it. First of all, these are people who are really stuck on stupid. That's the kind of thing you can do. But what gets me is, what gets me with these fools, this one dude, I got to find this one.

Hold on. Because same thing. This fool right here. This fool right here. Hold on. Let me go back. I had it. Let me go.

It really is funny how they try to solve, this fool, Errol Weber. Go me go back. I had it. Let me go. It's really it really is funny how they try to sell this fool, Errol Weber. Go go to my iPad. I'm going to the Los Angeles County Registrar's Office in Norwalk today to audit the vote counting procedures. I will not concede. Every legal vote needs to be counted. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. Do y'all want to know how many votes he got? Y'all, Karen Bass whooped his ass with 86.4% of the vote.

He got 13.6%. Does this fool really want us to believe that he gonna pick up some some 200000 votes somewhere? You got the entire. Congressional delegate, Republican congressional delegation from Georgia. Basically saying to the governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state, y'all lying. They actually want the head of elections in Georgia to quit. Julianne, these people are nuts.

Like I said, Roland, that's the kindest thing you could say about them. They're delusional. But one of the things, I'm glad you mentioned the Baltimore race, as well as Karen Bass's race. We could also talk a bit about Maxine Waters race. I don't know where these Republicans come trolling for ignorant black people. But that's literally what they do. They go trolling for ignorant black people who do not know how to add, nor count, nor read. Baltimore is historically and traditionally Democratic I mean I understand having a Symbolic candidate in the racist clubs But I don't

How this young lady thought she had a chance A snowball's chance Of getting anything done is amusing to me Same thing with this You have 13% of the vote And you think that Somehow there was voter fraud I don't think so kelly somebody on

youtube said these people have overdosed on mayonnaise that's a good one kelly i i don't i mean this this this whole idea that there's this massive voter fraud donald trump has been screaming voter fraud when he got his behind kicked by Hillary Clinton by three million votes. His ego cannot handle he lost the popular vote. That's all his is. And the real problem is Republicans are indulging his stupidity.

They're afraid of it. Kelly? Well, my issue is if the tables were turned miraculously and somehow Ms Miss Kim actually won anything in Baltimore and and the Democratic nominee wanted to recount, this would not be the issue. You know what I'm saying? Like if the tables were turned and and and there were votes that were a need to be counted, they would not be having this. It's always if I'm at a disadvantage, then something must be wrong. And it's incredibly frustrating to me. And I'm sure it is to the American people when you see with your own eyes people who are literally working to cheat and not working for

the people because this is this is actively trying to cheat and that's what's also funny to me you're failing at cheating so what makes you think that you deserve an office outright on its merit when you fail to do the wrong thing right. So he just needs to take her bag and go somewhere. Because if I'm not mistaken, I don't even think she lives in Baltimore City. First of all, first of all, first of all, hold on. You know, look, you ain't got to waste breath on Kim, OK? She got crushed. Here's the deal, Joseph.

I need somebody who's a Republican to explain to me. How. Do you stand in front of the cameras and laud Republican victories that were literally on the exact same ballot, but then say, oh, but in that race they cheated. If the Democrats cheated, they are some awful cheaters because they lost the Senate race in Iowa, Kansas, Maine, North Carolina, South Carolina, Mississippi, Kentucky, Louisiana, Texas. I mean, they got to be really bad at this because if you don't cheat, I figure you might take the Senate with you. I mean, look, we could have a very long conversation.

I'm not going to try to crawl into the mind of crazy, But I will say this. I think that our obligation to the American process is devoid of the individual's personal motivations. And so we have an obligation to count the votes, which is what's happening. And if people want to avail themselves of the court process, that is their constitutional right. And ultimately, that is not a betrayal of the process. It actually makes the process stronger because, you know, as my grandfather told me at a young age, the only thing better than taking a man's money is making them count it before he gives it to you. So, look, if people think that there is fraud, we should find out about it. There's no evidence of that.

None. None. Zero. Zilch. None. To be clear. To be clear. Wait, wait, Julianne, wait, wait, wait.

Robert, finish. Yeah, so, I mean, I think at the end of the day, look, here's the truth. There are going to be legal briefs that are filed. The courts will either say there is fraud or there isn't fraud. They'll say there is merit or there isn't merit. At the end of the day, either we have a country or we don't. Either we believe that we have an independent judiciary or we don't. And so I think if we're talking about how do we heal this country, because we could have a long conversation about how do we get here.

But if our goal is to heal, if our goal is to have enough people who have still bought into the system, that we have a country that works, then let people count the votes. Let people run around saying what they want to say because this nation is not governed by gay people. But wait, but wait, but you're saying let them count the votes. Donald Trump and his people were trying to stop the count. First of all, I want to show this. I think there are people who say let them count the votes, that people say stop counting the votes. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, Joseph, the same people were saying it. Joseph, the same people were saying it. Joseph, the same people were saying it.

Exactly. Depending on the state, depending on the favorability. I just think that we have to be, we have to have, if there are people that are saying things that are crazy, but we also have to be honest about where we sit right now. Number one, we're a severely divided country. Number two, there are things in the results that are statistically anomalous. Now, most of those statistical anomalies are likely due to the fact that we had an unprecedented amount of people vote via mail. That does not mean that somebody did anything illegal. But it does mean that we're dealing with results that are not in line with previous results. Of course. First of all, you can't.

Hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute. Yeah, of course. First of all, you can't. states will have an automatic recount if it's within a half a percentage point. But you have large margins. You have tens of thousands of votes. Arizona probably should have a recount. It's only 14,000 votes separating the two candidates. But Michigan should not have a recount because basically there's so many votes, there's so much of a lead that it's not going to make a difference. You can count until the cows come home. Every time you recount, people pick up a vote, you lose a vote. Because human beings are still counting

these votes. But this obsession that 45 has with recounts is really him delaying the inevitable. He lost. I want to play this. The folks of The Daily Show put together this pretty great video because if you compare what Fox News and OANN and Newsmax are saying today, just y'all watch this here.

Democrats are being sore losers. They refuse to acknowledge they lost the election. So what do they do? They cry malfeasance, wrongdoing, criminality, fraud. Democrats, more so than Republicans, seem to have a problem conceding defeat. Either the election system broke down or some mystery votes are hiding somewhere. You have a whole series of Democrats who just said bluntly, if our candidate doesn't win, they stole the election. The Dems just want to make America suffer. It's like losing the World Series and demanding an extra inning a day later. The Democrats are refusing to accept the declared results of the national media. So how do they do this?

Lo and behold, they find missing ballots. The radical left is attacking the sanctity of our votes. Refusing to accept the midterm election results. So what if these were Republicans refusing to concede? Democrats may see how they'll be able in the future to steal elections through lawsuits that they can't win with the voters. Ramping up election conspiracy theories, accusing Republicans of outright stealing the election. Kind of rich. You know what? Sounds sore loser-ish.

Mmm. Boy, that's a lot different here in 2020. I mean, look, Roland, like I said, I think at the end of the day, there are going to be people that say things that make sense. There are going to be people that say things that don't make sense. I think the one thing that we should understand makes total sense is to allow the recounts to where they need to occur. I think most people that are talking about these results

are talking about three states. They're talking about Pennsylvania. They're talking about Arizona. They're talking about Georgia. That is it. We don't really think that there's anything going to be made of what happens in Wisconsin or Michigan? No, not true. Not true. The Trump folks. No, no, no. You said no, no, no. That's not true. No, no, no, no, no. Joseph, Joseph.

That's not Joseph. Joseph. I got to give back. I don't speak for the campaign. Joseph, I didn't say you do, but I got to give facts. No, you said there are three. They are alleging. They are alleging six. They are saying Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.

They're saying six. What they're doing, they filed five lawsuits. They're 0 for 5. They're continuing to file those lawsuits. In fact, hold up. You've got to throw in seven. Minnesota. They also have Minnesota in there.

And so they are trying to make the argument that, oh, it's this massive fraud. Now, even you saw what happened with Bob Barr made his announcement. The head of the election integrity unit was like, this is bogus and quit and quit. This is I mean, this is this is how the process works. No, no, no. That's not how it works. That actually is how it works. Let me ask you a question. In 2016, was 2016 closer than 2020?

Yes. We're looking at 78,000 votes across three states right now. Did Hillary Clinton refuse to concede and filed lawsuits in several in six states. Did also did Obama also refuse to begin the transition process? Did Obama refuse to allow intelligence briefings for Donald Trump? It ain't the same, bro. Here's the thing. If you want to talk about what people chose to do, that's fine. What I'm saying is that the system works, that we have an independent judiciary,

the same way that you believe that the Supreme Court will, as I do, will come back and say that this lawsuit with health care is going to be tossed out. I also believe that many of these lawsuits that will be presented are likely going to be tossed out, same as they have been already. But filing the lawsuits in and of themselves is not some type of debasement of the political process. Actually, it is. It is actually the process. No, actually, it is.

No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. One second. Hold on. I got to bring in Kelly. It is a debasement of the process because what it is, Kelly, is it is, and when you have all Republicans in the congressional district of Georgia demanding the resignation of the secretary of state, who is a Republican. One second. One second. One second. Who is it? No, one second. Who is a Republican? Because he dared stand up for the election in Georgia. Kelly, that's an abomination. Not only is it an abomination, there are grounds to argue that that was illegal because you can't, especially when it comes to lawsuits in general, you cannot bring a lawsuit to court without evidence. Otherwise, it's a frivolous lawsuit

and there are repercussions for doing so. So it's not about preserving any type of integrity or trying to just make your voice heard in the court because you feel like you've been wrong. This is a clear account of Republicans perpetuating a lie to keep the propaganda going. This is nothing more than propaganda. This is nothing more than trying to substantiate a lie because they are literally putting the cart before the horse. I know a lot of people have been saying that, but that's literally what this is. You have a cart without anything to drag it and you're trying to find something to drag and there is nothing there. There is nothing here to substantiate these claims.

There's nothing here to purport that the lies that they're saying are even remotely true. They are literally only doing this to basically make themselves feel good and to make their lies feel more legitimate, even though they're not legitimate at all. The other thing they're doing is undermining our democratic system. That's what they're doing. So you end up, we've had 70 million votes for 45, 75 million votes for president-elect Biden. This is an unprecedented turnout in the United States because people basically work very hard to get every vote out there.

Folks like Latasha Brown, Black Votes Matter, and others basically work very hard to get every vote out there. Folks like Natasha Brown, Black Votes Matter, and others basically work very hard to get the votes out there. But if people believe that the system is flawed, if they believe that their votes do not count, I hesitate to think about what we'll look at in 2022 or 2024. And if people really believe that there's that much fraud, then they may be discouraged. And that's what 45 has been counting on the whole time. He started talking fraud in April, and he's been talking every time he opens his mouth. Ray Charles can see through this. If he basically says, you know, I mean, if he basically says the only way the election is fair is

if I win. That lets you know what's wrong. And that's why that's why. And here's what I'm noticing Joseph. Here's what I'm noticing. Here's what I'm noticing. This was just very weird. Again, I mean, I just think this is just very weird. They're filing lawsuits

in the same races where Republicans won. Do you see Democrats filing lawsuits saying, hey, it's voter fraud we lost in South Carolina. It's voter fraud that we lost in Iowa. It's voter fraud that we lost in Maine. It has to be. The Republicans are literally saying it's voter fraud that we want here.

But on the exact same ballot, they fraudulent ballots. Here's what I'll hit. And when I say Republicans, I mean president. Whole administration, senators, House members, state officials, the entire Republican apparatus. Very few Republicans have actually said congratulations, Vice President-elect Joe Biden. They are all they are standing largely behind. I think largely 98 percent are standing behind Donald Trump by saying, oh, this was fake. It was stolen. It was fraudulent.

I don't think most people are saying it's fake. That's not what I said. I said. No, no. It's kind of what you said. No, I know what I said. I said other than a handful of Republicans. Handful.

Hold up. This a hand? Hold up, Joseph. Joseph, this a hand? This a hand. I can put them in right of Republicans. Handful. Hold up. This a hand? Hold up, Joseph. Joseph, this a hand? This a hand. I can put them in right in the hand right here. I can put the Republicans in both of my hands when you count members of the United States Senate, members of the—yesterday, Mitch McConnell stood on the floor of the Senate, Joseph.

This is the Republican majority. Is he part of the handful or no? This is the Republican leader stood on this floor and praised the Republicans who won on the same ballot, but then criticized it. And I'm like, it's the same ballot.

Same ballot. Look, I think here's the truth. The lawsuits are going to be filed. If, to Dr. Malvo's point, that this is all just some scheme to undermine the American democracy, then I don't know what would be more fitting than an appellate court packed with Donald Trump appointees and then a Supreme Court packed with Donald Trump appointees telling President Trump, you lost the game like Shannon Sharp. I don't know what else you want. I mean, that's how the American system is designed to work. These people, is Chris Messler there? Is Chris Messler there?

I think that's what that- Hold on one second. Let me bring in Chris Messler, constitutional law professor. Chris, seriously, I mean, look, you're a Republican. Can you provide some common sense to what Republicans are doing? These Senate Republicans, these House Republicans, what Trump are doing, any common sense whatsoever? Well, first of all, from a pure legal standpoint, the cases that have been filed so far have no merit, period. And the courts have said that.

Look, you cannot simply come into court and say voter suppression, wide-scale cheating without evidence. Where's the evidence? And in addition to which, you cannot simply say in the same court a case and the case is dismissed because you failed to attach the proper paperwork. Look, I agree you have the right to file whatever it is that you want to file, but there has to be evidence. You cannot say, as the head of the RNC, when asked, where is the evidence? And she says, give us time to develop the evidence. As a lawyer, if I went into court and did that, they'll pull my bar card. You can't do that. So what I'm not understanding is, if there is all of this evidence, where is it? To the extent that it exists, present it. To the extent that you have contradictory arguments, that's not going to work.

And that, I just, I don't get it. I've read the briefs, I've read the pleadings, and at this point, I don't understand what's going on here. And Chris, in looking at this, again, what makes this worse is when you have individuals who know better. And what is it? Are they so deathly afraid of his tweets? Are they so afraid that his his cult is going to come after them like the purge and just and rip their hearts out and cut their guts out? Is that what's going on here, Chris?

I mean, again, to watch McConnell stand there and praise Republican victories but then cashed out in the presidential race like he wasn't on the same ballot. Well, so here's the thing. There are some conversations about

whether or not the president's going to say, okay, enough, but I'm going to run again in 2024. So here's the concern. The concern, if that is in fact true, is Republicans believe that they will need his base to win again. And as a result of that, they're afraid of what's going to come down the pike. And that's part of the reality in terms of the discussion. Look, from my perspective, and strictly, again, from a legal perspective, if you're going to sue, that's fine. You can sue, but you've got to have evidence. This is a toxic mix of law and politics that ultimately I don't think bodes well. Joseph, go ahead.

No, I mean, look, I agree with much of what the doctor has said. I think, again, as I started off in the beginning, there is no evidence that there is widespread fraud. And to the extent that there is, they have to actually provide some evidence. That hasn't happened. So, look, I think to the doc's point also, this has been a widely chaotic process. When you end up at the wrong four seasons, you're already off to a bad start. So look, it's just, I think again, two things can be true at the same time. That yes, there are people who have run races. We're grateful for them for running in places where we traditionally have not filed candidates because

Republicans need to show up. It's time for both political parties to stop taking black votes for granted. And I think that we've seen, whether you're talking about the precipitous increase in the Latino turnout for President Trump or the precipitous rise in African-American turnout in this election overall, that our votes are going to matter more and more. But if you're talking specifically about making sure that we're going to go through this process and come out with the unified nation that Joe Biden says that we're supposed to have. Then again, I think part of that means that we have to take down the temperature. We have to find a way to have respect for the people we disagree with. And I think that starts with at least acknowledging those amongst those groups who are making

arguments that at least on some basic level are within the realm of respectability and also just the nature of the process in general. But Chris, how do you do that when one side from the top down is the one starting the decision? I'm in fact, I'm reading, there was a Washington Post story, a Pennsylvania postal worker whose claims have been cited, it's not on my iPad, I'm reading from my phone, whose claims have been cited by top Republicans as potential evidence of widespread

voting irregularities, admitted to U.S. Postal Service investigators that he fabricated the allegations. According to three officials briefed on the investigation and a statement from a House congressional committee. He made it up. Just the timing here. Chris, go ahead.

Hold on, hold on. Joe's going to come back, but Chris, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, but this is exactly the point. You can't have any credibility with that. And if in fact, you know, there's this thing called vetting that in some, for some reason, we haven't, we've just failed to do that right in this particular administration. And then this goes to continue to prove that. It is difficult to do that. Look, at the end of the day, when you say that it is Democrats who are making all of this up, who are doing all of these kinds of things, and you're doing the same thing

that you're accusing them of Democrats, of Democrats of doing, how can you expect to be taken seriously? This is not the way to do this. If you've got a case, bring it forward and stop with the shenanigans already. Julianne, go. The thing about this in terms of bringing the evidence is that there is no evidence. In the postal worker story, I'm glad you mentioned that. I just saw it come across on my phone. There's another story about a blind lady who claimed that someone took her vote. These are all these little incidental things. Some of these things are human error, but you're not going to turn an election on a postal worker here, a blind lady there.

The fact is that, and I'll say it as often as Joseph said, makes his point, Trump lost. Trump lost. Trump lost. And it just can't get through his head. There was something in People magazine, not that I read regularly today, from Ivana Trump, who said he hates to lose and he'll do everything he can to keep from losing. So we've seen this. But even as we see this, we know that there's some flaws in the system that need to be worked out. Mail-in voting has always worked and always has a few little problems. We still haven't counted the overseas votes. I mean, they may not have all come in. Mr. 45 says he values the military, kind of. Well, shouldn't their votes count, too? But the fact is that he doesn't value

the military. He doesn't value his own constituents. And we're stuck with a situation where Joe Biden has to figure out how to make us less divided. But how could we be less divided when 70 million people, and I'm not saying they're all racist, but 70 million people voted for, frankly, a doofus. Kelly, one of the ways we are able in this country, one of the ways we're able to sort of set things aside is when we accept decisions. What you have here is Donald Trump and a party who's saying, shh, the hell with any sense, the hell with all norms.

We are rejecting all. For them, Donald Trump is literally refusing to allow intelligence briefings of Joe Biden, even though the election has been called for Joe Biden. That is what you talk about. First of all, candidates get intelligence briefings. He's like, no, not going to happen. Talk about petty. This is a whole other level. I get what Joseph is saying. I agree with one of the reasons that he'll look.

I'll never forget the video backstage, Kelly, of the inauguration when Hillary Clinton, she's standing there and she's girding herself and she takes this really deep breath because she's about to walk through a door that she thought she was going to be walking through as president of the United States. could still go to the inauguration in her capacity as a former first lady of the United States, that says you put country over petty, over party, over person. There is nothing about Donald Trump says that he would actually have that level of integrity. Kelly, go ahead.

Well, the reason that Hillary Clinton was able to do that is because she is gracious. She has integrity. She is an American. She understands what it means to be American, what it means to be a politician, what it means to be a servant to the people. Donald Trump did not come into this office

with any of those values, with any of those thoughts, with any of what I just listed in mind. He came in for him. That's it. Making America great again for him. That was the caveat to his slogan, that people just fail to reiterate and express outright and explicit. So it does not surprise me that Trump is doing this. It does not surprise me that Hillary Clinton

had that much grace that day. I can tell you right now, I would like to think I'm a very gracious person. I can tell you right now it couldn't be me. It could not be me, but it was her, but it will not be Trump. So what we need to do as Democrats and as Americans is to hold him as accountable as we can, given the circumstances, because what's happening right now is that he is trying to burn everything down with him if necessary, just so that Biden does not succeed. That is what it means to be a coward. That is what it means to be treasonous to this country. And honestly, at the end of the day, that's what it means to be Trump, because that is who he is. That is what he does. Nothing that is happening right now that he is doing to surprise anyone, because we've had at

least five years, even before he became president to just have a glimpse, a taste of what he's capable of and now we're actually receiving it. So we need to be ready for what happens next. Chris, I want to read this here. The Lieutenant Governor of Texas, Dan Patrick.

I've known Dan for a long time and you want to talk about an idiot? Woo! Look at this here. Dan Patrick is offering I've known Dan for a long time and you want to talk about an idiot? Look at this here. Dan Patrick is offering he'll pay up to a million bucks to encourage and reward those who report voter fraud. If info leads to arrest conviction for voter fraud, expect at least twenty five000, he says. It's never a good idea, Chris, to be an elected official and offer money for somebody to come and present voter fraud. It's a dumb idea. I mean, as an elected official, you're saying that. And again, I go back to what you have all this evidence. Why you have to pay people to bring the evidence for us. Have it or do you not have it? And as an elected official, for you to be essentially offering, you know, a bounty?

Where did they do that at? It is... Joseph, it is pretty sad to see the sheer desperation of people who you thought... You look at how pathetic

a Lindsey Graham is. I mean, how pathetic. I guess even on Sean Handy's show, I'm contributing 500,000 or something like that because we've got to get to the bottom of this voter fraud. Lindsey, sit your ass down. You won by 14 points. I mean, look, I think at the end of the day, we're spending a lot of time talking about what President Trump has, whether it's grace, lack of grace, the elected officials. I think, to me, I'm more focused on the people than the politicians. And I think if there is any chance that we're going to be able to galvanize enough people to be able to see that, yes, the 70 million votes cast to President Trump

were fair and just, and the 74 million plus votes that were cast for former Vice President Joe Biden, now presumably going to be President-elect Joe Biden, were also just and valid, then it's going to take the grace of us as a nation of people to be able to say, you want us to recount the votes in Georgia? We'll recount the votes for you. There's going to be an automatic recount anyway. You want a recount in Pennsylvania? We'll recount the votes. There's likely going to be a recount there anyway. I think it's about 0.6 of a percent right now, the difference between Joe Biden and President Trump, Arizona, even a smaller margin. So I think, again, being able to demonstrate that the process works,

then you go from case to case, whether these cases get tossed out on their face because, as Dr. Metzler said, you have to actually have evidence to present cases. This is all a reinforcement of American democracy at its finest, even if the people who are executing the plays are not acting in the best model of American behavior. Julianne, final comment on this. This is where leaders lead. This is where leaders lead. This is where leaders lead. We've known since he came on the national scene as a presidential

candidate in 2012, I believe, we've known that Donald Trump was not wrapped too tight. Somebody needs to just get a straight jacket and walk him out of the White House. Two quick things. Number one, instructing the GSA not to cooperate after we have

a nominee, I mean an elected president, is ridiculous. The GSA has not made any transition funds available. Number two, to have them tell the department heads prepare your budget as if Trump is still the president.

This is just delusional. This is totally delusional. But it's where we are. It's literally where we are. And I hope that the American people, Democrat and Republican, are paying attention to this man and the damage he's done to our democracy. I'll go to my next story here. Today, the Senate will vote on yet another white male judge nominated by Donald Trump with more than a month

left until the new administration is in place. Mitch McConnell will try to get as many judges as possible on the federal bench. Chris, you're Republican. Joseph, you're Republican. Seriously? Damn near 220 judges. One black person?

I mean, look, we have a real diversity problem. Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's a diversity problem and one? Out of 220? No.

It is completely, and I've said this before and before and before, and obviously nobody's listening to what I'm saying. It's more than a diversity problem. It's a systemic problem. Listen, you know, I always have to say to the party, criminal justice is cute and it has its place, but as it relates to the persons who are making those decisions in the first place, don't tell me you can't find any. Where did you look?

Under a rock? Because I got 700 I can give you right now. Here's my deal. Here's my deal, Joseph. One percent is two. They ain't even at one percent. Right. I mean, look, I mean, there are a lot of people that pretend that somehow Clarence Thomas is the only qualified black man to sit on the sit on the court. He is not. And so I think on some basic point, I mean, even the choice of Amy

Comey Barrett, I think that we had a well-qualified judge sitting down in Florida that for a lot of reasons probably would have been a better choice than she was. But look, at the end of the day, it is what it is on some basic level. I mean, at some point, we're just talking about derivatives of the same problem that we've all been talking about on some basic level for the last four and a half years. So, look, at some point, you just have to accept the fact that when it comes to getting the type of representation that we deserve in government as it relates to the type of diversity of thought and diversity of opinions and diversity of representation, we're just not going to get it. But see, here's the deal, though.

See, Kelly, this is kind of this is by design. They want and Mitch McConnell said they want 35 to 45 year old, largely white men. This is by design. This ain't no accident. No, it's not by accident. Nothing that this Republican legislature has done, especially the Senate, nothing they have done is by accident or by happenstance.

All of this is deliberate. When you have a white male, very right-leaning judge on the bench, you have a tendency to basically work against the interests of every other demographic in the American constituent. Like, Black women aren't considered. People of color of either gender aren't considered. Youth typically aren't considered. No one's considered except rich white men when you have that kind of person on any bench, federal or otherwise.

And when that happens, you come up against some really terrible law that gets made by way of case law. And that's how we get Trump. That's how we get Mitch McConnell. It's sad the way that this Congress, well, this Senate specifically, really does not care about the people who voted for them because not even they are going to be taken into consideration with these appointments. It is literally solely for self-interest alone.

Julianne, again, I think what you're dealing with here is you're dealing with the Federalist Society. Look, Mitch McConnell and Republicans, they want white men ruling in these federal cases. They ain't looking for no black folks. They ain't looking for Latinos. They ain't looking for white women. They want white men. Exactly.

And, you know, Roland, this just, you know, we got to go back in history to look at what happened after Reconstruction and to look at the way the laws were stacked against black people. Now they're stacked against people. I mean, when you look at what they've done to the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, when you look at just any number of things that they've done, 45 is in with all of his buffoonery because he's delivering to Republicans what they want. They wanted a white male judiciary. They want a conservative judiciary. They want an anti-abortion judiciary.

They wanted to go back to the 1950s. Make America Great Again is a slogan that says, let's go back to the day when, you know, Kizzy was in the kitchen and, you know, Kunta was in the fields. That's what they want. And basically McConnell has been able to effectuate that

and 45 isn't making these choices, as you said, Roland. The Federalist Society is. Are there any black people in the Federalist Society? So with that, I'm just curious. Joseph and Chris, I'll ask you. This is the last question on this topic before I go to a break.

Why haven't black Republicans as a collective said something publicly and say, hey, how in the hell can we talk about the party being diverse? And we want to go out to black and you've only been able to find one black federal judge has any conversations among black republicans saying we should speak as one voice publicly i mean go ahead chris yeah i mean i look i think i can speak for myself i think plenty of of black republicans have have said things publicly about the lack of diversity that started before... That wasn't my question. That wasn't my question. That wasn't my question.

It wasn't my question. I mean, the question is to say I go out there and speak collectively? I think black people have spoken collectively. No, no. Where? Where? Are you telling me that black Republicans

have spoken as a collective, saying the lack of diversity, the lack of black federal judges is wrong and they want to see more black black judges considered by Republicans for the federal bench. When? Well, I missed that. I mean, I mean, and to be clear, I mean, no, I don't think that we've seen the type of engagement when it comes to black people demanding more color on the bench. But I don't think that was my question. Yeah. but I don't think that that's a partisan issue. I think specifically- Yes, it is.

Look, I don't think that we've- Black folks have been, are you trying to say black folks haven't demanded that for Democrats? What I'm trying to explain to you is the fact, number one, we need more color on the bench, period. Number two, we certainly need more black men, black women on the bench just across the board. That's at the federal level.

That's at city level. That's just a given. We know this concretely. What I'm saying is that there's, number one, an actual schism, if you say, within the black Republican conservative movement as a whole right now as a result of what's happened over the last four years. So that's a completely separate issue and I think as a general rule any conversation that we've actually had over the last four years has been dwarfed by the fact that we are living in a 24-7 Trump news

cycle that basically basically drives anything else you'd want to talk about out of the you of the public opinion. But Chris, I ain't even heard it come our way and win in the Trump cycle. Chris, go ahead. No, there has not been that conversation in relates to black people in particular, you know, soaked up a lot of the oxygen in the room to no avail. And like I have told a number of them, you can't expect black people to join the party when you're telling black people how stupid, ignorant, and uneducated they are, and they need to leave the so-called black plantation. And as a result of that, the conversation of a number of very reasonable, true black conservatives have been muted. And as a matter of fact, I am sure that after this story, I am receiving significant hate mail about that. But you know what? The difference between me and a number of people

who run in that circles, I don't need anything from any administration, period, end of story. So I'm going to say what I got to say. All right, Dr. Chris Metzler, I so appreciate the man. Thank you so very much for joining us. My pleasure. Go on to a break. We come back. We'll talk Pfizer and their promising vaccine for coronavirus. That is next.

Plus, crazy-ass white person, ooh, a Republican in Pennsylvania. Did he send out the wrong tweet under his main account? Does he have a burner account where he pretends to be a black gay Republican? Wait till I explain on Roland Martin Unfiltered. So because of friendships like yours, that's what made me figure out that, you know, my vote did matter and that it was important for me to vote and get out there, even if I wasn't doing everything perfectly, just trying

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Entertainment influence is growing. The activists are losing their influence. So where do most, you know, this younger generation go? They go to entertainment. You know, and so the influencers, entertainment can actually move the needle. And when you see people become active, I love how this younger group of people are saying, wait a minute. We don't like what just happened with Kavanaugh. We're going to do something about it. We don't like the fact that there's no gun control. We're going to do something about it. And I do think that as tragic as these events are, they are becoming more galvanizing to get this younger

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true general in the body of Christ. It will be dearly missed. He also, of course, was one of Trump's supporters. He was an evangelical supporting him. Part of it is one of his spiritual advisors. There's this video of him praying, if you will. I think it was Easter. He was praying in the White House.

But the reality is he was at that event, that September 26th super spreader event that took place at the White House for Amy Coney Barrett, and he was there. Now, of course, folks, even though we have the early promising results from Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine trial, a number of questions are still unanswered about it as well as when the average person can get a shot. Now, Pfizer's vaccine is a new type of technology. Joining us now is infectious disease specialist, Dr. Alexia Gaffney. Doc, glad to have you back on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Tell us what you know about this particular vaccine. Pfizer announced 90% effective rate. They think they'll be able to have a massive number of dosages in 2021. Just your thoughts on it thus far.

So the vaccine is an mRNA vaccine, which is not how we typically produce vaccines. So what this vaccine does when a patient is injected with this mRNA, it is basically the blueprint that the body needs to make a particular protein. So our body cells will make what is equivalent to the spike protein that is on the surface of the coronavirus. And in response to the presence of this abnormal protein, the body's immune system will then begin to make antibodies, which is how our body fights infections, as well as produce possibly T cells. So the types of white blood cells that tell our body, hey, there's a foreign invader here. And that, according to this initial data from Pfizer, has shown efficacy rates of at or above 90% in their very preliminary clinical

trials. What does that mean? Does it mean that do you take this before you get COVID or do you take it after you've contracted COVID? So this is a vaccine. This is not a treatment. So an uninfected person, someone who is healthy and well would get two doses of this vaccine to help their body mount an immune response so that when they encounter the virus in everyday life, their body is already prepared to fight off the infection. So think about, even though it's a different vaccine technology, it's being compared to the measles vaccine, right? None of us or most of us have not had measles because we got a vaccine to protect us from it so that if and when we were exposed to it, we could not become infected or we

would not have a significantly symptomatic infection because our body is already prepared to fight off the infection. So does that mean that if I take this before I get it, I'm not going to get it? I'm not going to get COVID-19? I protect it? Any idea how long am I protected? Does it give me three months, six months, a year? Do I have to keep taking it once a month? Do we know anything? So all we know right now from 94 positive cases out of 43,000 plus participants in this clinical trial is that 90% of the people who got COVID-19 infection and were a part of this trial did not receive the vaccine.

So all we can say is that hopefully the 90% will hold true once... Hold on, hold on, hold on. You said did not receive the vaccine, meaning did not contract COVID. Right. So the participants who contracted the virus, they were not the people who received the actual vaccine in the trial. Or 90 percent of those 94 people who got a COVID infection that they got this data from, those people, 90 percent of those people were not vaccinated. So 10% of the people in that cohort of 94 people who had

a COVID infection were vaccinated with their study drug. So the initial data is hopefully what we'll see when the population at large is vaccinated, that we'll continue to see 90% efficacy. Although, you know, those numbers may change as we look at a larger sample of people in the trial and as we start to get vaccine out to the general population. The other questions that you're asking, Roland, we just simply don't have enough data to answer. This information was released Sunday based on an independent review of this Pfizer study. And so as we received the information, the folks at Pfizer were receiving the information, but they can't yet tell us how long the immunity will last.

So they are planning to follow their study cohort for two years. And over that two-year time, we will get more information as we go. But we don't know how long the efficacy will last because the trial has not gone on long enough to prove that. What we know right now is that people who receive the vaccine will need two doses of the vaccine. Those doses will probably be given three to four weeks apart. And we just have to hope that the efficacy that was seen in this small cohort of patients in this trial continues to hold true as more and more people get vaccinated.

All right then, Dr. Gaffney, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. Thank you. Joseph, I got a kick out of the fact that you had Don Trump Jr. who was complaining, oh, so now y'all released this information.

Geraldo said that if this was released two weeks ago, it would have guaranteed Trump's victory. And in fact, Mike Pence released a statement saying, yeah, this was because of our operation. Then Pfizer came back and said, no, actually, this didn't happen because of your operation, whatever they call it, because we weren't even of your operation, whatever they call it, because we weren't even participating in your, I mean, it was sort of like the Trump administration was taking credit for something they had nothing to do with. Well, look, it was a two-part thing, right?

So it's like they weren't necessarily a part of Warp Speed, but then the contract that they were actually given, they had the funds allocated for it, came out of Warp Speed. Look, it's a mixed bag, I think, again, to the point that's been beaten home today, is that obviously when it comes to the Trump administration, it's very difficult to know what to take seriously and what not to take seriously. I think to our point, I mean, one of the things that I would like to know more about this Pfizer case, obviously early on your show this year, you had the presidents of Xavier and Dillard come on

talking about the fact that we had African-Americans who were underrepresented in some of these studies. And so, again, what is the efficacy as it relates to people of color? What are the issues that we're going to be dealing with as it pertains to, you know, is this going to be approved for Black people to take? Is this going to be approved for women to take? Obviously, there are certain drugs, blood pressure medications and the like that they have certain restrictions because there weren't enough people in these cohorts. Those are the types of things

that hopefully we can get to come out of this and get out of such a Trump-centric approach to a global health crisis that's impacted too many lives. Well, and look, what we're dealing with, Julian, here, is the reality that, yeah, we are used to them lying, taking credit for things that they had nothing to do with. But bottom line is, we kind of got a reason not to trust them because they kind of been lying a lot.

I really, I mean, everybody has bleach in their kitchen. So, I mean, if we believe them, everybody will shout out bleach. So just saying. But Roland, the thing that the doctor pointed out, 94 cases is a very small number of cases with COVID. We really need to see a lot more information. And then there's the issue of distribution. From what I understand, this vaccination will have to be kept somewhere way below freezing. I forgot how many degrees, way below freezing. And most places do not have the capacity for that level of coldness.

So are we going to have to develop refrigerated trucks or something, very refrigerated trucks to get this out. Dr. Fauci was on CNN today and he basically said he'd expect the vaccinations to get out really until April, except for extreme cases or people who are at special risk. So this is good news for Pfizer. It's good news for us, for America. Joseph has raised a very good point about efficacy for Black folks. Fauci today talked about older people as well. We don't know whether this is going to be good for older people.

So there are a lot of questions to be asked, and I think frankly the least important thing, we have to get into the mindset role of keeping that man out of our mouths and keeping him, you know, basically, Mr. 45, it's over. It's all over, Casanova. So just go grab whatever you want to grab, whatever you want to grab, and just get out of our space. And he will do that sooner

rather than later. Kelly? I agree with Dr. Malveaux on that one. He just needs to go. Again, this is not surprising that the Trump administration would try to piggyback off of work that they had no participation in, did not even try to front that they had any role in making it a success whatsoever. They did. They're doing it with this. They did it with the HBCU bill. They've done it pretty much their entire administration with everything that, you know, they claim is a win. So it is what it is in that regard. But when it comes to this vaccine specifically, I am happy that it exists. But I echo the sentiments of the other panelists here in that the logistics in making sure that every American gets it are steep. And I don't know

exactly how that's going to work, given that we are in the middle of a pandemic and some of the ways in which things need to be done are limited right now. And we are still at 10 million cases and almost a quarter of a million deaths in this country. So we're already behind the ball significantly in getting this vaccine created, let alone distributed. So I'm curious to see how that's going to play out, hopefully in time for it to mitigate some kind of damage. All right, folks, y'all know what time it is. No charcoal grills are allowed. I'm not making news.

I'm white. I got you, Carl. I'm illegally selling water with our permit. On my property. Whoa. Hey. I'm uncomfortable. All right, y'all. So Twitter was like a little crazy today because there's this Republican named Dean Browning out of Pennsylvania. And Dean Browning, y'all, let's just say this is weird. So he sent this tweet here out. I'm a black gay guy and I can personally say that Obama did nothing for me. My life only changed a little bit and it was for the worse.

Everything is so much better under Trump, though. I feel respected, which I never do when Democrats are involved. Folks are like, um, Dean, you're white. So, what are you talking about? So, then Dean decides to go, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no. I was actually responding to somebody else and it my my tweets guys so that's really what happened i was responding to somebody else so that's really what happened there that really wasn't me so please uh forgive me this whole deal now we're hearing he tweets pat labelle's son is all kind of drama. You talk about crazy, Joseph, but I really got to laugh at that one. I really got to laugh at that one. This white right-wing conservative really got himself caught up in a crazy one today on Twitter. Folks saying he's pretending to be a black gay man

under his burner account. I mean, I've often said to people, wouldn't it just be easier for us to engage honest to God black people rather than have to pretend to be them on the internet? And this is not the first time this has happened. It won't be the last time this has happened. There are plenty of salacious and felonious accounts out there pretending to be black Republicans. It shouldn't be that hard to find a black Republican if Republicans actually started showing up in black communities and doing the work to demonstrate love and care of black people.

So, look, this is a perpetuation of what we've been dealing with. It's the kind of insincere outreach and this trying to be masked and these anecdotal evidence of things that do not exist. And yeah, but this was this Julian was a part of the disinformation campaign by the Russians in 2016, where Twitter and Facebook have busted of these these troll farms impersonating black people. And so we've seen this. That actually has happened. It has happened. And, of course, in 2016, I think we were somewhat vulnerable to it. Some people believed it.

Some people got tweets that had lies about Hillary and them, other things, and people believed them. This just is hilarious. And I don't know to what end this man chose to impersonate a gay black man. I mean, I just, I can't understand his logic, but I'm not trying, I'm not trying to figure stupid out. Kelly. I mean, she took the words out of my mouth. This, this is stupid. This is absolutely stupid. It's like what happens when you try to be... What is that lady's name? Who pretended to be Black to be in the NAACP and all that stuff. Oh, the girl out in... Yeah, I know, I know.

You know who I'm talking about. Out there in Seattle, yeah. We don't really care. Go ahead. I mean, it's like a Twitter version of that, only it happened in very- Rachel Dolezal. Dolezal, thank you. But it's like a Dolezal, a Twitter version of Dolezal,

only in a very small fraction of the time. We caught it in time for not a whole lot of damage to be done. But this is really dumb. And it's actually like a recurring pattern. Outside of Russia using bots for trying to be Black people, there are actively White people out there with fake Black people accounts to act like Black people purporting to be Trump supporters, purporting to be anti-Black and embracing white supremacy and stuff. So this, again, I've been saying this all day on your show, this isn't surprising to me, it's just sad.

It's really, really pathetic that people think that they can keep doing this without, you know, and get away with it. Well, we do have to understand, look, misinformation has been targeted at Black people and it has been effective, especially with black men. Panel, I certainly appreciated Joseph, Julian, and Kelly. Thank you so very much. Hey, folks, if y'all want to join our Bring the Funk fan club, please support what we do. Let me give a shout out. These are the folks that actually sent in checks and money orders today uh tony lunn thank you so much charlene logan uh kevin jackson

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And we were having problems going live. Well, part of the problem is because there were so many people and other folks streaming. And so what we're doing is we saw that was a problem. We reached out to the company here. They have a thing called Live View Extender. Go to my iPad, please. A thing called Live View Extender. You will see that it's mounted on top of trucks. You see that right here on a vehicle. But you can also put it on the tripod where you're broadcasting from.

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