#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 11.19 Wayne Co. election drama; Giuliani voter fraud buffoonery; Trump ramps up attack on election

Episode Date: November 20, 2020

11.19.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Wayne Co. election drama continues; Giuliani voter fraud buffoonery; Trump ramps up attack on election; Congresswoman Lucy McBath talks Georgia runoff elections; 48,0...00 more Americans could die from Covid-19 by December 12; Milwaukee cop responsible for fatally shooting three people over the last five years while on duty has finally resigned; Baldwin Louisiana Police are defending their handling of Quawan Bobby Charles' disappearance; Bobby Brown, Jr. passes; Crazy a$$ man caught acting up in San Francisco.Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered Partner: Ceek Whether you’re a music enthusiast or an ultra-base lover. CEEK’s newly released headphones hear sound above, below and from multiple directions unlike traditional headphones where users only hear sound from left and right speakers. Be the first to own the world's first 4D, 360 Audio Headphones and mobile VR Headset. Check it out on www.ceek.com and use the promo code RMVIP2020 #RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:52 Absolutely nutso! Republicans have lost their minds. A day after a unanimous vote to certify the results in Wayne County, Michigan, where Detroit is, the two Republicans on the board of canvassers now say, no, we want to rescind our vote after they got phone calls from Donald Trump. Then there was a news conference today
Starting point is 00:02:13 with Rudy Giuliani. Y'all, if you don't think these people aren't on meth and crack, something is wrong with you. Wait until we show you the bizarre, crazy, undeniably nuts news conference where these folks actually invoke
Starting point is 00:02:32 the dead dictator of Venezuela and George Soros. Just go ahead and throw some aliens in there while you're at it. Donald Trump continues to attack the election process, and folks, it's getting real crazy. We'll also talk about the nuts and nuts drama in Georgia. We'll chat with Congresswoman Lucy McBath about that, plus her new book.
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Starting point is 00:04:27 Martin. Martin! Sadistic, crazy, and out of their minds. There's no other way to describe Republicans who are fighting for Donald Trump. In Wayne County, Michigan, where Detroit is, talk about bizarre. Monica Palmer and William Hartman, the two Republicans on the Board of Canvassers, therefore, claimed and signed affidavits yesterday that they were bullied into siding with Democrats and have now rescinded their votes to certify the election. Here's the problem with that. You already voted. It was unanimous.
Starting point is 00:05:03 And then Michigan, they're going to certify the results on Monday. Now we find out that the reason they rescinded, because they got a phone call from Donald Trump. Is he now tampering with the election process? Yeah. Now, Monica and Hartman, and Hartman is an absolute racist if you saw the post about Barack Obama on his Facebook page. They were so hurt. They were so hurt because another white man, that is Ned Stabler, president and CEO of TechTown and vice president for Economic Development at Wayne State University. Please show us the two offended white people in Wayne County, Republicans, who are just so, so hurt. Wayne, this guy, Ned, he was one of the people, Staber, who spoke up against him.
Starting point is 00:05:56 And they said that this, this, this right here, his video is why they were bullied. Their families were getting threats because of people like Ned. We also know that the Secretary of State and the Attorney General have already tweeted out that your legal arguments are rubbish and you're going to lose when it comes to court. So we're not worried about that at all. I'm also not worried about any of your, oh, things are bad so we can't certify arguments, because that's just ridiculous. You certified in August when they were worse. Less than 50% of the ballots were recountable. Now over 72% are. 58% of them were even balanced when it was less than 30% last time. So it's doubled. It's gotten way
Starting point is 00:06:41 better because the Secretary of State actually jumped in and did her job, unlike you. But I know it's not going to change your opinion. You talked about not certifying Detroit, even though you acknowledge that Livonia, a city, by the way, I know you know is 95 percent white, had bigger variances than Detroit, which is 80 percent black. We understand. And you've now added your name. So I'm not going to try to change your mind. I just want to let you know that the Trump stick, the stain of racism that you, William Hartman and Monica Palmer have just covered yourself in is going to follow you throughout history. Your grandchildren are going to think of you like Bull Connor or George Wallace. Monica Palmer and
Starting point is 00:07:25 William Hartman will forever be known in southeastern Michigan as two racists who did something so unprecedented that they disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of black voters in the city of Detroit because they were ordered to. Probably, I know, Monica, you think Q told you to do it or some other crazy stuff like that. But just know when, you think Q told you to do it or some other crazy stuff like that. But just know when you try to sleep tonight, that millions of people around the world now on Twitter know the name Monica Palmer and William Hartman as two people completely racist and without an understanding of what integrity means or a shred of human decency. The law isn't on your side. History won't be on your side.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Your conscience will not be on your side. And Lord knows, when you go to meet your maker, your soul is going to be very, very warm. So according to the Detroit Free Press, Monica Palmer told them that her family had received multiple threats. The threats have been made against myself, my daughter, and my husband.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Reports have been filed with Grosse Pointe Woods Police and the FBI. Yet the Attorney General's Office of Michigan said their office had not received a referral about such threats from a police agency, but would act quickly if such a referral is made. Hmm. They signed these affidavits because they say that
Starting point is 00:08:53 they're rescinding their vote. Now, mind y'all, the vote was we will certify the results if an audit is done. That was the agreement. They now say, oh, we rescind it because we don't think the audit is going to be done. That actually makes no sense.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Joining us right now is Jonathan Kinloch. He is vice chair of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers for an update on this one. Wayne, first of all, Jonathan, this is really stuck on stupid. I mean, this whole deal of, oh, we got doxxed and we were harassed. Wasn't that a public hearing?
Starting point is 00:09:40 Which means that a public hearing means you hear from the public. That's that's that's that's the absolute correct characterization of where we were in the agenda. We were receiving public comment and this came after we're talking about after Monica. there, Monica Palmer had pretty much asked if we would consider a motion to certify the election and not include the city of Detroit vote. So when we went to public comment, folks were outraged. And again, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's start right there. She had no problem certifying all results in Wayne County except Detroit. That's correct.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Go ahead. Except Detroit. Go ahead. Except Detroit. And you have to realize that, just understand the backdrop of this. You had every day since the election, the Trump campaign has been filing lawsuits, filing lawsuits. And in those lawsuits, they have been targeting the voters in Detroit, period. And then for her to be an officer in this, on this board, to have asked, it wasn't something that is normally done, she asked for us to consider,
Starting point is 00:11:09 asked if we would consider certifying without Detroit, in which I was outraged. And it was unacceptable for her, and it was totally disrespectful for her to even let that roll off of her tongue. So when the folks began to lash into her and lash into Hartman, it was from the point of the motion to certify not being able to be passed because they claim all of these issues occurred that warrant
Starting point is 00:11:35 them not doing what is a ministerial duty of this canvasser. So that's something that we normally do. We get reports from our staff stating that these communities are in balance, out of balance, but you are not supposed to let that cause for you not to certify, not to move forward the election results to move forward to be fully certified by the State Board of Canvassers. So now she's talking about, look, she wants to, she and Hartman are saying they want to rescind their vote.
Starting point is 00:12:12 They can't do that. Let me let me say something, Roland. After we voted to certify the election, as we included to a request to ask the Secretary of State to perform an audit. She basically, we also had voted to waive any reconsideration. So all of this, this, this, this, this jockeying and all of this stuff here is just only to appease the Trump campaign. That's all what this is about. Because as soon as we voted, as soon as the vote failed to certify the election, the Republican Party and Donald Trump immediately, I think they said within minutes, had posted on social media congratulating them and thanking them for not certifying Black vote votes. Now Donald Trump is calling Michigan Republican leaders to the White House and they're going to
Starting point is 00:13:03 go tomorrow because he wants them to basically ignore the will of the voters. Forget the fact that Joe Biden won Michigan and he wants them to seat Republican electors for him. Jonathan there. I think Jonathan froze on us. Let me know when we get Jonathan back, because he froze on us. I got to bring in Erica Savage-Wilson, host of Savage Politics Podcast, Dr. Greg Carr, chair of the Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University, Recy Colbert, Black Women Views. Let me know when we have Jonathan back. These racists, Greg, are showing us exactly who they are. They're targeting black people.
Starting point is 00:13:47 It's undeniable. And what you also have is you have black Republicans who have no courage whatsoever, no guts, don't give a damn about black people, silent. Republican Party's apparatus, silent. We're going to get to a little bit in a minute, Uh, that crazy, uh, I mean, I'm talking about, uh, ridiculous news conference. That was, I mean, if it wasn't so serious when it comes to democracy, you would have thought that crap was an SNL skit. Um, but that's what we're dealing with. We are dealing with an absolutely out of control, deranged man who is scared to death because he knows what's coming, Tish James.
Starting point is 00:14:32 He knows what's coming, Roland. I mean, it is remarkable, isn't it? This experiment we call America that is not guaranteed to continue. These people have abandoned all pretense. Mike Shirky, who is leader of the Michigan Senate Republican, is coming here to Washington, D.C. to meet with Donald Trump. They're not even pretending anymore. I mean, it was remarkable to me that, you know, 95 percent of the vote in Detroit went to Biden and maybe about 70 percent of the vote in the larger county, of course. But the local board of canvassers, they're trying to hold this up.
Starting point is 00:15:14 And the state board of canvassers meets on Monday. And if they don't do their job, Whitmer can still select and appoint those Democratic, the winner of the popular election, Democratic delegates to the Electoral College. They're not going to be able to overturn this. However, they have now declared, damn any concept of America or democracy, our hatred for Black people, it will be wear on our sleeves. And whether it's finally the folks in Michigan
Starting point is 00:15:39 or Loughlin in Georgia or Lindsey Graham out of South Carolina, they are forming, you know, it's not an overreach to call them a clavering. Why? This is the language of the Ku Klux Klan. We done dropped all free business. Don't count those black votes.
Starting point is 00:15:54 That's it. We have Jonathan back. Jonathan, Trump has actually called the Republican leaders in the legislative body to D.C. tomorrow for a meeting. I mean, this is this this is a this is a person, a candidate who is actually trying to interfere with the election process. And we are a place right now in Michigan history and they and and in the United States history where you know you have a president and a republican party who are um making allegations as relates to corruption
Starting point is 00:16:33 but what they're trying to do is corrupt the process it is absolutely inappropriate for the uh president the party or any of these individuals to invite uh the leaders in the house, the Republican Party, or any of these individuals to invite the leaders in the House for the purpose of rigging or to interfere with this election. Let me just tell you something that they're not taking into account. Where they could not get a rig at the county level, they can absolutely go into the courts on Monday and get a judge to order the State Board of Canvassers to certify the election. It is not a discretionary power that is placed upon the County Board of Canvassers or the State Board of Canvassers.
Starting point is 00:17:16 So at the end of the day, I think the gamemanship is going to fall flat on its face. This is just, we're at a very, very uncharted point in history. And unfortunately, Donald Trump finds himself on the wrong side of history. And the thing here, Jonathan, the Wayne County Board has voted. What the hell is the process to go, oh, no, no, I know we voted,
Starting point is 00:17:46 but now we rescind? There is no rescinding. After 14 days, the purview of any sort of consideration as it relates to the general election is over, as it relates to all county board of canvassers, all 83 counties across the state lose the opportunity to weigh in after the 14 days. It is now 100 percent in a purview of the State Board of Canvassers, which will meet on Monday, period. So there is no rescinding. And they know this.
Starting point is 00:18:16 I mean, all of this is just ridiculous to even be stating and putting out there in the public. That's absolutely crazy. Jonathan Kinloch, man, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. We'll keep watching what happens there in Wayne County. Absolutely. Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it. I want to go back to my panel here. Recy, I mean, what we are seeing are corrupt, thuggish individuals. That's what we're dealing with here.
Starting point is 00:18:46 We're dealing with the likes of Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump. They are thugs. There's no other way to describe this. Well, that and white supremacists, white nationalists. We've been saying on this show for months, this is all about maintaining white power. And, you know, democracy or, you know, law and order, whatever kind of slogans are nothing but a pretext for them to use as long as it's convenient for them.
Starting point is 00:19:15 And then when it's no longer convenient for the hell with it's wonderful that we have gotten out of cheating distance, because what this has made abundantly clear is that if this were within cheating distance, we would have a constitutional crisis on our hands right now. When the illegitimate president of the United States is obstructing an election temporary, that would be a crisis in terms of this country. For now, we can take it for what it is, which is theatrics and it's transparently racist tactics. But what I'm hoping, especially black people out there are saying is, number one, your vote matters. Number two, that we have to vote for our own survival and numbers that are not enough just to be the status quo. We have to vote in record turnout just for our own survival and numbers that are not enough just to be the status quo. We have to vote in record turnout just for our own survival. We should be noticing right now that for another
Starting point is 00:20:12 thing is the silence of the people, the black rappers and the black celebrities or whatever kind of celebrities that were touting that Donald Trump was going to invest in the black community. Donald Trump is perpetuating the notion that Black people are not full citizens within this country by laser-like targeting of our votes. He's unsuccessful, but we should take note of it, and we should take note of the people who are conspiring with him, which is the entire Republican Party. The people who have not spoken out that Republicans are cowards, and they're co-conspirators, and they're complicit. We should be taking note of that. And so in the upcoming Georgia election, we understand and we need to vote like our lives depend on it because Trump is going to be gone, but Mitch McConnell is going to
Starting point is 00:20:55 be there. These same corrupt cowards are going to be there. But one thing that Republicans boss up and have the balls to do is obstruct any and everything that helps this country, any and everything that the Democrats do. They grow a pair when it comes to doing that. So we have to do everything in our power to make sure that Mitch McConnell is not the majority leader after the Georgia elections on January 5th.
Starting point is 00:21:18 What we are seeing here, Erica, is, first of all, if you're black and if you were confused, if you were confused as to whether or not your vote mattered, this right here says it all. They are desperate. They are targeting black voters, black people. That's who they're targeting, pure and simple. And so if you black and you think your vote don't matter, boo, they ain't fighting that hard if your vote didn't matter. Absolutely, Roland.
Starting point is 00:21:56 And then to think that they are doing this as 251,000 bodies lay dead from coronavirus and that the Senate has essentially left D.C. until November the 30th for recess without passing any economic, any type of stimulus package to help those very same groups of people. I also believe that this is actually serving as a wake-up call for, again, as Recy said, we've been talking about this for to keep for people to understand that you have to engage your electors. You have to be an engaged citizen. And what does that look like? What does that mean? I'm in Georgia. So guess what I'm going to be doing this weekend?
Starting point is 00:22:35 I'm going to be talking to rural voters because 600,000 secure ballots have deployed from the state of Georgia. And that's how Georgia was able to secure that 65 percent of that Biden-Harris coalition to push him over for and flip Georgia blue, essentially. But there's still people that during this runoff election need to continue to be enthused, that they need to be engaged and understand that the process for what they did in the general election starts over essential again for Georgians as we enter into this all-important Senate election, where we would have our Madam Vice President-elect casting tie-breaking votes. So, again, looking at Republicans, they're not trying to engage Black people to bring
Starting point is 00:23:17 them into the party. They're only engaging Black people to use them as puppets and as partners, as accomplices to white, as I'm and as partners, as accomplices to white, as I'm now calling it, white arrogance. Um, they are not interested in pushing a coalition together to help build, to help ensure that people are taken care of. They're interested in very much so engaged in white apartheid. And so people have to understand
Starting point is 00:23:45 that these are the things that can happen if in in fact, we relinquish our authority as citizens, the privilege that we have to vote, what we have to do as partners to make sure that people around us who are left and are right and engage our vote, and that we have to show up if that's every year, if that's every two years, if it's every four years, whatever that looks like in your local municipality, you have the responsibility to engage to ensure that these fractures, these fissures that do keep our democracy together aren't completely broken. today. I can't even call this a news conference because there was no news. Before I get to that, before I get to that, what we're really seeing right now, folks, and we
Starting point is 00:24:34 do not use this word in this country, but it applies here. We are seeing a Republican coup. We are seeing the Republican Party, led by Donald Trump, and his minions and his imps
Starting point is 00:24:50 try a coup. The people have voted. He's lost Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada. Joe Biden has 360 electoral college votes.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Joe Biden is on his way to the most votes ever. 80 million votes. Donald Trump cannot accept losing. So what do thugs do? They act like gangsters. Roll it. The Trump administration is forging ahead with plans for a second term despite the results. This is some crazy thinking going on inside that White House. The damage of this is incalculable.
Starting point is 00:25:40 We need to be really clear about what's happening. This is an attempted coup. There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration. Senator, have you congratulated Vice President Biden yet? I'm not congratulating him. I think the president will attend his own inauguration. He would have to be there, in fact. What does a desperate Donald Trump do?
Starting point is 00:26:03 He's in that typical authoritarian situation. If the leader loses, he's afraid of jail and he's afraid of the poorhouse. This is a struggle for life and death. Never in my life did I think I would like to see a dictator, but if there's going to be one, I want it to be Trump. So if you want to rip the heart out of a democracy directly, what you do is you go after facts. And that's what modern authoritarians do. Step one, you lie. And while the Democrats are cheating on the election, and that's what modern authoritarians do. Step one, you lie. While the Democrats are cheating on the election, because that's exactly what they're doing,
Starting point is 00:26:29 we will win this. Frankly, we did win this election. Step two, you say it's your opponents and the journalists who lie. The media sucks! The media sucks! The media sucks! Last night I did what the corrupt media has refused to do. I held Joe Biden accountable for his 47 years of lie. Step three, everyone looks around and says, what is truth? There is no truth.
Starting point is 00:26:50 And then resistance is impossible and the game's over. You literally cannot mandate somebody to wear a mask knowing that that mask is killing people. We are watching a setup of some people who are unqualified for office to be in control of the 2.1 million men and women in the armed force. Trump may be at the threshold of instigating a coup. He's transforming democratic politics, which is about facts and interests and values, into authoritarian politics, which is about believing what the leader says despite everything. I'm a nationalist, okay?
Starting point is 00:27:20 We do not take an oath for king or queen, tyrant or dictator. We take an oath for king or queen, tyrant or dictator. We take an oath for the Constitution. Democracy doesn't win. It's the people who win when they support democracy. So, y'all want to see the coup in action? This is Sidney Powell, a Trump campaign lawyer, standing with Rudy Giuliani at a news conference.
Starting point is 00:28:00 I came to call it a news conference. I can call it a nutcase conference. I want y'all to listen to this. Heartbreaking, infuriating, and the most unpatriotic acts I can even imagine for people in this country to have participated in in any way, shape, or form. And I want the American public to know right now that we will not be intimidated. American patriots are fed up with
Starting point is 00:28:32 the corruption from the local level to the highest level of our government. And we are going to take this country back. We are not going to be intimidated. We are not going to back down. We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it and we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom. This case actually said he won by a landslide. Really? At one point during the news conference, Rudy Giuliani says, Trump won Michigan.
Starting point is 00:29:12 If you don't count Wayne County, it's kind of hard to not count a county. Here's more madness. We'll watch. To any experienced investigator, prosecutor, would suggest that there was a plan from a centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud specifically focused on big cities and specifically focused on, as you would imagine, big cities controlled by Democrats.
Starting point is 00:29:53 And particularly focused on big cities that have a long history of corruption. The number of voter fraud cases in Philadelphia could fill a library. Just a few weeks ago, there was a conviction for voter fraud, and one two weeks before that, which... Really? Really? Okay, y'all, but the one that got me, let me find this, my Lord, let me find this. If y'all were wondering why Hugo Chavez was trending on Twitter today, it's because of this news conference. He's been dead seven years.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Listen to the Puff Puff Passaz news conference. Here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba, and likely China in the interference with our elections here in the United States. The Dominion voting systems, the Smartmatic technology software, and the software that goes in other computerized voting systems here as well, not just Dominion, were created in Venezuela at the direction of Hugo Chavez to make sure he never lost an election after one constitutional referendum came out the way he did not want it to come out. We have one very strong witness who has explained how it all works. His affidavit is attached to the pleadings of Lynn Wood in the lawsuit he filed in Georgia. It is a stunning, detailed
Starting point is 00:31:41 affidavit because he was with Hugo Chavez while he was being briefed on how it worked. He was with Hugo Chavez when he saw it operate to make sure the election came out his way. That was the express purpose for creating this software. He has seen it operate. And as soon as he saw the multiple states shut down the voting on the night of the election, he knew the same thing was happening here, that that was what had gone on. What is crazy, Greg, that Lynn Wood lawsuit she cited? About 20 minutes ago, a republican judge rejected that lawsuit in georgia now trump and his imps are like one for 30 in court that's how deranged these people are hugo chavez communist money coming from china, Venezuela, and Cuba?
Starting point is 00:32:45 Really? Well, Roland, I think you're identifying the problem. And Erica really put her finger on it when she mentioned apartheid. Everything that happened after 1948 in South Africa under the national party that took power in 1948 and implemented the apartheid laws was legal. In fact, they were in constant conversation with other European countries, including the United States, and modeled some of that policy at the United States. You know, what if those judges had ruled
Starting point is 00:33:17 in the other direction? In other words, when people say democracy is fragile, you know, my little quibble with the clip that you showed about them saying they're attempting a coup and this goes against the Constitution, it doesn't go against the Constitution. That's the whole point. So when Recy says the Democrats need to grow a spine, they're going to have to become a different party than they've been, because they're operating with the same mythology as Republicans, as if they are a rogue. Now, I trust Hugo Chavez. And for those
Starting point is 00:33:42 who hear the name Chavez and cringe, I suggest you watch a documentary called The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. It talks about the coup against Chavez in Venezuela that was fomented by the United States of America. I trust Chavez before I do that white woman right there, because we don't share anything in common, other than the fact that we came out of our mother's wombs on the same landmass. There is no American concept that they're ruining. All of this is legal to the point. And you hear the key words now when they say Democrat, they mean black people and non-white people. When they say big city, they mean black controlled mayors. When Rudy Giuliani says history of corruption, he means post voting rights act. When they say patriots and freedom, they're talking
Starting point is 00:34:20 about white people. This is the language. Erica nailed it. This is the language of the National Party in South Africa in post-1948. When they say communists, they're not talking about political ideology. Most people who are scared of communism can't spell the word, much less explain to you what it is. They are mean, non-white people. These are white nationalists,
Starting point is 00:34:38 and there is no structure in America that doesn't do anything other than support this kind of business. The only thing I would say now is that the Democratic Party wants to indeed, and I agree with you, Reza, if the Democratic Party indeed wants to be something different, this is the moment. This is the fulcrum. This is the turning point in the history of this little project called the United States of America.
Starting point is 00:34:59 But if they loop back in and act like these people here got some rules that they all share that they can play by, what's going to come in four years is going to make right now look like a holiday. This right here is a Eric Erickson, Erica, a major conservative, right wing, far right. He tweeted this. The people who participated in that press conference today need to repent. He also responded to this. There was a white woman who was crying. Janet Meffert, apparently a Christian broadcaster. She said, the Trump campaign conference
Starting point is 00:35:40 this morning gave me hope. Hope that there are still some truly great Americans who love this country enough to go to the mat to save it. Grateful for Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, and Donald Trump. Lord, please let justice be done. Eric responded, justice will absolutely be done, just not in a way something. I mean, when Eric Erickson is saying y'all who also is an election law expert. Y'all are lost. But you've not only lost the election, you've lost your mind. And these people cannot be trusted, including those Republicans who are silent. Sure. And I think that kind of, you know, one of the issues that I take with that is that you can't put the genie back in the bottle, right?
Starting point is 00:36:27 A lot of these people who, you know, are finding some level of courage, they help cultivate the cult that is in existence now. The people that, as, you know, Dr. Carr just spelled out for us, those words and how they translate need to be played over and over again so that people can have a better understanding of the economy of language, that when you hear these folks saying these things, we're talking about this global white supremacist movement, that this is not simply just about invalidating votes. This is about ensuring that there is power and that there is power in an upcoming minority group. You know, when we're just talking about what's happening in Wayne County and thinking about Monica Palmer, you're talking about a person who was under an active ethics investigation because she deployed her position, her oversight position on the board of canvassers and to
Starting point is 00:37:21 use it to duly influence the Grosse Pointe Board of Education, assigning people that were going to run and using dark money pack. These people are not interested in democracy. These people have no cares about that. But this is a community of folks that have been cultivated over years and years and years. And so those trigger words, they understand that even the most simple of their followers do understand that language. And it's a part of talking about repenting. Listen, these are godless people, right? So to even cloak them under what I consider to my faith to be as a believer, as a Christian, what I tweeted back to Marco Rubio when he had something to say about Reverend Warnock, who is an upstanding man of faith. I treated back to him to say, you know, Mark, excuse me, Matthew 7, 23, which plainly says, you know, that he would say, you're going to be calling my name.
Starting point is 00:38:18 And this is the Lord speaking. But I'm going to say, depart from me, you evildoers, you wicked folks, you lawless people. And he is one of those people that is up under that particular scripture. So, you know, that's great that he's kind of had a come to Jesus moment or he's actually speaking some level of truth. But there has to be some accounting for what they have allowed to happen, how they have germinated these seeds and that they have really come to bear and that they really have no use for some of these conservative right wing media folks. Now they have their father of life, their dear leader, their son of a Klansman that's leading this parade. This probably right here sums it all up, Recy. Rudy,
Starting point is 00:39:02 the evil pouring out of his pores. Y'all watch this. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Arizona. We more than double. His hair dye was running down his face. He was sweating.
Starting point is 00:39:33 I mean, that's what an evil looks like right there. Right? Go on back to that shot. I got to go ahead and get that shot right here. Right there, y'all. Right there.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Right there. Drop a little third right there. That's evil. That's evil right there, Reesey. I mean, demon spawn is melting in front of our very eyes. But, you know, the one thing I will say is, I mean, as Erica pointed out, these people don't have, they're not people of conscience. They're not people of any kind of morals or ethics. And I actually don't agree with the characterization that these people are mad.
Starting point is 00:40:10 What we're seeing is a propaganda campaign. This is very deliberate. It's sowing the seeds of dissent. It's sowing the seeds so that they can pass more voter suppression laws at a minimum. That's what we know that they're going to do. We know that the Republicans maintained or made gains in legislatures that will control redistricting, that will be allowed to implement more suppression tactics if the Democrats do not pass a Voting Rights Act in Congress, if they don't get back the Senate. And so this is all quite deliberate. And I think that, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:46 characterizing it as mad, even though it is mad, it's insane in the sense of like, yeah, this shouldn't be happening. But they are very deliberate in what they're doing. Rudy Giuliani is charging $20,000 a day to the Trump campaign. He's getting paid off of this. This is a grift. Miss 55%, Miss White Tears, they're employing every single weapon they have in a book. The white woman on the verge of tears, they're employing Rudy Giuliani in hysterics. They're doing everything under the sun so that they can set the narrative. And, you know, the one criticism that I would have for the Democrats, which I don't believe it's I don't believe that they really can do much in terms of technically, technically and legally than what they've been doing, which is wiping the floor with the Trump campaign. And every single lawsuit is like you said, they're one for 30 at this point, the Trump campaign.
Starting point is 00:41:34 But I do think that the messaging in terms of just how blatantly racist this is and how dangerous it is, is not as loud as it should be. It's certainly not as loud as the Republicans are. And so I think we should absolutely be ringing the alarm much louder than what we are. And to Dr. Carr's point, we cannot play by the same rules. I'm not saying go lawless like the Republicans do, but you have to play hardball the same way that they have. Jennifer Rubin, actually, a former Republican, made this point very well today. The same way that Republicans make every Democrat seem like AOC, the big bad boogeywoman or Bernie Sanders, Democrats should be doing that. Mitch McConnell should be the one of the most reviled names in the country, just like Trump is for half the country, at least. And they just let them get away with all these things.
Starting point is 00:42:23 And so I think the Democrats, you know, I'm not criticizing their legal tactics because they're successful. And I'm not saying that they should be out there, you know, Antifa versus, you know, the Proud Boys. I'm not saying to that extreme, but there should be more messaging and more pushback and more red alarm fires on this instead of what I see a lot from the Democrats and in particular from the progressive wing is all laser focused on trashing the incoming Biden-Harris administration when we have a crisis in front of us right now. Look, I think part of the deal is when something is so crazy, there's no amount of engagement that you can do that's going to bring any level of common sense.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And I think what the Democrats have done, I think what the Biden-Harris folks have done, is say, you know what? We're going to let your crazy shine. You're going to keep losing in court. And again, I think that's what they're doing. The problem, though, what we're seeing, the Trump people are by design laying landmines to screw the Biden Harris folks now. But here's the problem. But here's the problem. They're limited because they control levels of power.
Starting point is 00:43:40 The reality is by this whole deal until it's certified, I don't have to release anything. They can be making a lot more noise. So I understand why they're doing what they're doing. But the bottom line is, some group should be swinging like crazy. And to me, those are House Democrats and Senate Democrats, but they're not necessarily doing that. Speaking of House Democrats, we've been talking about, of course, the Georgia race. We're going to get back. All this stuff is all tied in, y'all, the lawsuits and everything. And we're seeing all the attention right now on Georgia because of those two critical U.S. Senate races.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Raphael Warnock running against Kelly Loeffler. Then, of course, you have John Ossoff running against incumbent Senator David Perdue. It's all about registering people. It's all about getting the votes out. And joining us right now is Congresswoman Lucy McBath. She won her very hotly contested race, and so she is returning for her second term in Congress. She also has a new book out, folks, and that book is, pull it up, please, is Standing Our Ground, A Mother's Story. Of course, we all know the story of her son,
Starting point is 00:44:47 Jordan Davis, being shot and killed there in Florida. And the man who claimed the music was being too loud, he is sitting in prison right now for the murder of Jordan Davis. Congresswoman McBath, glad to have you on the show. You're seeing what's playing out with these crazy Trump people. You're seeing the lawsuits,
Starting point is 00:45:04 but you're seeing the direct attack on black people. They are attacking black voters in Atlanta, in Philadelphia, in Detroit, in Milwaukee. That is what we're seeing. It is undeniable that there is a direct assault on the integrity of black voters in this country by Donald Trump and the Republican Party? Well, you're absolutely right. We've got to stand up and call it out as what it actually is. And we've seen the assault most definitely in Georgia.
Starting point is 00:45:39 It started in, this is the same voter suppression, everything that we've seen that we've been fighting for generation after generation after generation. You know, I think everyone saw across the country what happened to us with our primary elections June 9th. And that has never ended. Of course, what you see happening in Georgia now with the recount and all these kinds of things, it's simply because, you know, voter suppression is still alive and well, and we still have a blanket across the nation, just all kinds of exercises in trying to suppress our right to vote, exercise our voice as to what's important to us. We have become now as a community, you know, people of color have become a community of
Starting point is 00:46:24 a major voting bloc in the nation. And of course they want to silence our voices, because we, as we have seen, have been able to have such tremendous power in who we elect in our national politics, our state politics, and our local politics. And we flipped Georgia. You know, all the work that we've done here in Georgia, that's indicative of us using our collective power, doing a lot of massive organizing, mobilizing on the ground. Stacey Abrams has done phenomenal work since her historic bid for office in 2018.
Starting point is 00:47:03 She's over 800,000 people she re-registered. And Fair Fight and all the other organizations that are working collaboratively together have done this. When we stand up and we fight and we vote, we have power. And I think that is the backlash that we see happening across the country everywhere. When you see the attacks, when you see the lawsuit, when you see all these things, you heard what Risi just said right there. And that is we get why the Biden Harris team is doing what they're doing. But. Democrats also got to realize you're not there's no compromising with these people.
Starting point is 00:47:48 There's no you can't because because what they are showing, they are showing you who they are. And this whole idea of, oh, once it's all certified, Donald Trump's out. Republicans are going to go back to being. No, no, no. This is who they are. And to me, to me right now, no, no. This is who they are. And to me, to me right now, Congresswoman, this is roll call. This is where you stand there and you go, let me see who spoke up and let me see who didn't. And if in this moment, you are Republican who is not condemning what they are doing. to me, those are people who cannot be trusted after January 20th, 2021. Well, I mean, you know, Roland, I think there is so much riding on,
Starting point is 00:48:34 you know, the African-American population right now in particular, so much riding on Democrats, the party in particular. And, you know, we know that there's so many people that continue to hurt, and there's so many Americans who, they need health care and they need education and they need clean water and clean air, and they still need relief checks, people all across the country that still need help. But there again, I think we always have to remain focused on what's important to us, focused on the prize, and stop expecting people around us to change, to make it better for us. We have to be the ones to collectively spearhead what we need. That is us. That's no one else. We can't expect anyone to come in on a white big horse and save
Starting point is 00:49:20 us. We have to always be determined and focused and driven to make sure that we are creating what we need to be successful. And that means that we have to do the work. And we just have to keep our eyes on the prize and stop expecting everyone around us to transition or to change. They may, they may not. But collectively together as a people, we have to do what's best for us and always just collectively together continue to work in the vein that we know we have to. We've always had to work harder. We've always had to, you know, put our boots on and pull up our bootstraps and do our own work. And it's no different now. But there again, I think because we have done that, because we have, you know, stood our ground, you know, we have shown the world, we have shown the country, you know, that we are people of strength
Starting point is 00:50:17 and determination and we are taking our place right now, whether they like it or not. On that particular point, I mean, you chose to run for Congress after what happened with your son. It was a national story. Documentaries have been done about it as well. And what ended up happening was before this case, but even with this case, people begin to learn about ALEC and the groups who, the corporations who were funding them, the people who were passing these stand your ground laws across the country. And also while they were passing stand your ground laws, they were passing voter suppression laws as well. And it gave people an insight into how intertwined this system is against with the oppression of black people tied to corporate interests. Did you speak to that in your book?
Starting point is 00:51:07 I talked a little bit about ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. I talk about that because we know, and it's strictly a lot of what happens with the gun culture is predicated through that as well. But we know that stand your ground is a law that can be used, you know, just based upon the perception of a threat. Oftentimes it's not the actual presence of a real threat. And the expansion of this law alone has been used, you know, by the Republican legislature, by the NRA gun lobby, gun manufacturers. And of course, we know it's been used by the business community, the Republican business community, the white business community.
Starting point is 00:51:49 I mean, it's all interconnected. I say that they're all bedfellows. And we know that this law has disproportionately affected communities of color. That's the reason why my book is called Standing Our Ground, because the Stand Your Ground law has been used all over the country, disproportionately among, used against young black males and communities of color. So, you know, that's where we are. And that's the reason why I ran for office, too, because beyond just being an organizer on the ground and mobilizing for gun safety advocacy, we've got to be able to mirror the two with federal legislation and state laws as well to really be able to really just define how we're going to make sure that we're keeping our communities safe, keeping our people safe
Starting point is 00:52:38 in our own communities. And that's something that we just have to absolutely do. Panelists here got questions. First off, Recy Colbert, question for Congresswoman Lucy McBath. Hi, Congresswoman Lucy McBath. I am so honored to be able to ask you a question. I think you do amazing work. Thank you for your leadership. My question for you as it relates to this runoff, we know that what we saw in the general election was there was a disconnect in
Starting point is 00:53:06 the voting habits between people who prioritize the economy versus prioritizing coronavirus. We know that Georgia is relatively a wide open state. And so perhaps some of the messaging around lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing and things like that could be a bit of a turnoff. What would be your suggestion about messaging around tackling coronavirus in a way that you think resonates with Georgia voters specifically? Well, I think, you know, it always should be, first and foremost, listening to the experts, listening to the healthcare providers,
Starting point is 00:53:37 listening to the, you know, CDC, because they've done the research, they have the data, and, you know, continuing to just make sure that we're advocating to do that. And there again, like with Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, she has done everything that she possibly can to make sure that she's protecting her community, protecting Atlanta. Of course, we have a governor who has thought otherwise. But I have to applaud her, and I applaud everyone that is diligently following the science. And we should be substantiating.
Starting point is 00:54:10 I mean, we should be following the science that substantiates that the only way to make sure that we can stay safe is, one, make sure we're wearing masks, washing hands, and social distancing. So, you know, we just have to continue to beat that drum because when we don't as a community, as a minority community, we die. Erica Savage. Good evening, Congresswoman McBath.
Starting point is 00:54:38 Such a pleasure and honor to speak with you and congratulations on the new book. Cannot quite wait to get that from my local indie bookstore. My question to you as a fellow Georgian, someone who is from Georgia, with the Senate runoff election, we were just talking about moments ago how this process for absentee ballot requests essentially starts again and anew and that the way that the Biden-Harris ticket won Georgia is largely through absentee ballots. What is the messaging that your office, that you are communicating to Georgians around ensuring that they are making campus that will probably be leaving to come home to ensure that they have a temporary mail address to make sure that the absentee ballot
Starting point is 00:55:31 goes to wherever they're going to be for their winter break. Well, thank you for that question. We're doing everything that we can in our office to help drive voter turnout. And as we've often said many times before, you know, make sure you get to the polls early or send in that ballot early. Whatever you choose to do, do it early, because we know that historically when we vote early, you know, we're winning the early vote. And, you know, we've got to be able to do that to help ensure these seats. And we've got to request these ballots. We've got to request them early. I can't tell you how many people I talked to who waited to the last minute to request these,
Starting point is 00:56:09 you know, vote by mail ballots. And then it was just absolutely too late. So just doing everything in my power to make sure that we let people know what those voter guidelines are, what those deadlines are, you know, go ahead, get that early vote by mail ballot, send it in right away. Make sure that you complete it in its entirety. Don't just stop at the top of that ticket. Completely follow the entire ballot. I mean, you just have to make sure that you're following every semblance of a guideline or instruction to make sure you're voting properly. You know, we've got field teams throughout the state that are following up with people who've submitted their ballots. And I'm really excited to say that, you know, my team in particular is still working with the Democratic Party of Georgia and their field team to make sure that
Starting point is 00:56:59 we're working on the ground to make sure that everyone has the ability to vote. And especially young people, like you said, colleges and universities. We've got so many phenomenal universities here within the Atlanta metropolitan area and all over Georgia. And getting them to make sure how important it is that they exercise the right to vote is key, because they are driving a lot of these elections, the young people now. I think this is their new civil rights movement. This is their modern-day civil rights movement that they are exercising their ability and their strength and their courage and their bravery. And they have to, because this is their future that they're fighting for. Greg Carr.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Thank you, Roland. And thank you, Congresswoman McBath. Congratulations on your re-election. By a wider margin in the Georgia 6th, you seem to have struck on the right balance to be able to continue to build consensus. And we all read the reports that they wanted you to run in this current Senate race. And I guess that really leads me to my question. I know you're a strong advocate of education. I love that mug, by the way, the tears of the gun lobby mug you have. I love that mug, by the way, the tears of the gun lobby mug. I love that. But, but, but, you know, there's a slimmer majority now in the House. What's your message? I think about you, Johanna Hayes, and a few others, you know, Black women who have figured out a way to
Starting point is 00:58:16 kind of blend the progressive agenda with an ability to continue to expand. What's your message to the Democratic Party on what the Democrats should be doing now, not only to secure the upcoming election, but to begin to build a real consensus of people in this country so that we don't have to continue to play the old games of centrist triangulation? You know, you seem to have discovered a path. What's your message to us?
Starting point is 00:58:37 How should we be thinking about party politics now? Well, first and foremost, the main thing, we always have to be working hard to show results for the people that elected us, you know, and really paying attention to their needs and really being invested. And the thing that I like to think right now, though, is that, you know, my classmates, my freshman classmates and I, particularly women of color, you know, we spoke and told our stories.
Starting point is 00:59:04 And yes, we have stories, you know, we spoke and told our stories. And yes, we have stories, you know, and we're just like, you know, any other woman that has lived experiences, raising family, you know, teaching our children right from wrong. And, you know, we've been invested in our communities, invested in the workforce. We've been invested in our churches, you know. And so we told our stories. And I think what America's finally beginning to recognize is that we're no different than anyone else. You know, we are as qualified. We are as capable.
Starting point is 00:59:42 We have what it takes to take these seats. We just happen to be black women. Thank you. All right, then. Well, Congresswoman, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much, folks. Again, the book, please pull it up for us, for our viewers, so they can be made aware of the book. Let's go. Let's go. Standing Our Ground, A Mother's Story. Congresswoman Lucy Minkbath. We certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Look forward to having you back. Thank you. Take care. All right. Thanks a lot, folks. We come back. We'll talk about this. Another case out of Florida,
Starting point is 01:00:15 two black teens shot and killed by a cop there. A stunning, stunning story. It makes no sense. We'll talk with the family lawyer next in Roller Martin Unfiltered. I think what it is is authenticity. Somebody who is going to say it
Starting point is 01:00:31 just like it is, unapologetic, unapologetic, unfiltered, and they're saying that's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear the niceties and let me go ahead and spin it. No, I want somebody who's going to give it to me straight and say the way needs to be said.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Well, I think so. And you know this better than anybody else. You and I and those who will speak our mind, we're going to be criticized. We're going to be attacked. But that really doesn't bother us. I mean, we've been through this and we're going to continue to go through it. And I'm just pleased that we've been able to send a signal to young people
Starting point is 01:01:08 that we care about these issues so very much. We're not going to play politics with them. We're not going to try and hide whomever we are behind the kind of language that they don't understand. And so because of that, this authenticity that you're talking about is helping us to realize a whole new era. I'm John Ossoff, and the path to recovery is clear. First, we listen to medical experts to control this virus.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Then we shore up our economy with stronger support for small businesses and tax relief for working families. And it's time for a historic infrastructure plan to get people back to work and invest in our future. We need leaders who bring us together to get this done. And that's why I approve this message. Raphael Warnack grew up in a house full of brothers and sisters. His parents taught him the value of hard work, like me. I'll see you next time. Like me, Reverend Warnock knows that both parties in Washington could use some moral leadership. I'm Raphael Warnock, and I approve this message because it's time we had a senator who put Georgians first.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Like me. Senator in particular irks me. A Senator Kelly Loeffler, not elected, but appointed just a couple months ago. Records show Loeffler and her husband, whose company owns the U.S. Stock Exchange, sold stock valued between $1.3 and $3.1 million. Kelly Loeffler bought and sold stock shortly after a classified briefing on the virus. They knew the market was going to tank, and they sold based on that inside information. Some of the holdings she shed were in energy, automotive, retail, and airlines.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Look, it's not just what she sold, but it's actually what she bought. She bought things like Amazon, Citrix Systems, a company that obviously was gonna do well during a shutdown, while still reassuring citizens that the U.S. was prepared. We have Americans across the country who have seen their 401 s plummet. Were you trading on inside information about what was coming?
Starting point is 01:03:21 Folks, this woman is knee-deep in the swamp, and she just got there. What's going on? This is Tobias Trevillian. Hey, I'm Amber Stephens-West. Yo, what up, y'all? This is Jay Ellis, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. We have to try and get to young people and make them matter, especially Latinos, because, like you said, we're the fastest growing demographic in the country.
Starting point is 01:03:49 I myself talk to people all the time. They're like kids, the kids in my family that are now eligible to vote. They're like, yeah, but, you know, it's it's just such a big task. It's so overwhelming. And I'm like, yeah, we're not changing the world in one day. We're just trying to make a small difference. And you do matter. Your vote does matter. All right, folks, welcome back to Roland Martin Unfiltered. The Brevard County Sheriff's Office has released dash cam video of last week's fatal shooting in Florida that left two black teenagers dead.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Here's a video. We showed this yesterday. We want to show it to you again. Check this out. Stop the vehicle. Stop the vehicle. Stop the vehicle. Stop. Stop. Now, the teams identified as 16-year-old A.J. Crooms and 18-year-old Sincere Pierce were fatally shot by deputies who were conducting a stolen car investigation. A mother of one of the victims said her son got in the car with friends around 10 a.m. Friday, November 13th. He and his friends then started driving away when all of a sudden deputies pulled up behind them and told them to get out of the car. That's when she pleaded with the officers and begged them to not shoot her son. Officers ignored her pleas and then opened fire, killing the two teens. Both officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement
Starting point is 01:05:22 is investigating the case and attorney Benjamin Crump will be representing both families. Joining us now to discuss this further is attorney and human rights activist Natalie Jackson. Natalie, first and foremost, was the car actually stolen? No, the car was not stolen. We actually have interviews from the young lady whose car it was. A.J. Croomsrooms was her boyfriend and he was driving her car. And I think that's really, you know, that starts where we need transparency in this case. The sheriff's department issued a statement after this happened on Friday. On Tuesday, the sheriff's department issued a statement saying that they were driving a probable stolen car. At that point, the sheriff knew that the car was not stolen. And I think that from there on, we've just kind of gone down a rabbit hole as far as what the community believes
Starting point is 01:06:18 from the sheriff's department and if they're going to get a transparent and fair investigation. So where did the stolen car line come from? Did somebody call it in to say the car was missing? No, this car was never called in and reported missing. Apparently, and I don't even know if this is true, and that's the problem when you have a sheriff who issues a statement with a known falsity in it. You have to question everything else that he says. But apparently they were doing an investigation of a stolen car and they thought this was the car. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:06:59 They were doing an investigation and they thought this was the car. Yes. were doing an investigation and they thought this was the car yes so they decided to pull this car over now we only see the have they released the full dash cam video to show so we have the dash cam video right here uh this in guys go to this video here this in-car camera this is now stop it right there stop it freeze it freeze it so the the vehicle that they were uh the two teens were driving that's their car correct that is that is aj crooms who was the driver that is his girlfriend's car and he's put and he's driving his girlfriend's car she's not in the car right no she's not in his car but she's driving with her permission right and so and whose driveway is he pulling into um that's in a neighborhood so what we do have is ring cam cam video from
Starting point is 01:07:58 the neighbors um and surveillance videos from the houses of the neighbors. So Sincere Pierce, one of the teenagers who was killed, we have ring cam video from his house. He was picked up at his house, and four minutes later he was dead. So his mother saw the whole thing. So A.J. was driving. He picks up Sincere. They're going down the streets. Cops pull up behind them and then they pull them over.
Starting point is 01:08:28 Not far from sincere Pierce's home. Exactly. Okay. Roll the video guys. So if you roll the video here, do you see an officer getting out of the car? The car, the car is backing up. Guns are drawn.
Starting point is 01:08:43 So at now here's what guys do me this favor. Do me this favor here. Can you roll a video back? Because here's what I'm trying to understand, Natalie. I didn't see police lights on. Right. So if I'm driving the car, I mean, I know it's two cops behind me. And if I don't see police lights on, guys, yeah, I want you all to start and go back. I'm just trying to understand if I don't know the cops are by. So when they pulled to the drivers to the to the driveway and back up, I don't know who they're pulling over. Well, even more so, Roland, is that this was not a high speed chase. This was not a the teens didn't commit any traffic violations. Uh, so when
Starting point is 01:09:28 you're ordered to get out of your car at gunpoint, what do you think? So here's my point. So right here. So right here. Okay. Freeze it right there. We just showed the video nowhere. This video where the lights flashing. Exactly. So the car pulls over. The car turns left. There's no, I would assume, I don't think there's any audio on here. It's not like they were on their speaker saying, please pull over.
Starting point is 01:09:55 So the car pulls over. Now roll the tape. They don't know, but I back up. All of a sudden, I'm backing up. Boom, she's got guns drawn. Exactly. And what we know is that from seeing cases like Philando Castile, where he stopped and complied and still got shot. We've seen people who leave, they still get shot. So what is a young teenager supposed to do when they're faced at gunpoint with police officers yelling
Starting point is 01:10:25 at them? What do they do? You know, this is, I think that what's really important here is the law. So let's talk about the law in this case. The law says that a police officer can fire into a vehicle if he's in fear that the vehicle will cause deadly harm to him or serious bodily harm. However, the law says if he can get out of the way, he should. So what we see in this video is that the police was never in harm's way. In fact, he shot Sincere, who was in the back seat, in the back of the neck and the chest. And we see all the gunshots on the front and the back and the side of the car. This officer,
Starting point is 01:11:08 the car passed right by him. He was never in harm's way. Right. And in fact, I'm trying to understand here, guys, go to the video right here. They had backed out of the driveway. They're in the street right here. And then if y'all roll the video, if you actually take
Starting point is 01:11:24 the video back, the cop rolled the video back the cop roll the video right there so they pull over the police officers are blocking the street exactly so when he backs up he's really driving to the next driveway there's no place to go exactly and again i go i go i go back to the i go back to this point here. So the cop right there on the left-hand side, you see the cop freezing right there. The cop in the right-hand side car, I think it's a woman. I think it's a woman. It is a woman.
Starting point is 01:11:56 It's a woman. She retreats behind her car. Yes, and she did not fire her weapon either. Right. But the point is, she retreats behind her car. The cop who fired his weapon on the left, he's standing in front of the car. When the, when he's shouting, he could have done the exact same thing she did, which was retreat behind the car. So if you're thinking they're going to run me over. They're not. No. What does he do? Roll a video. He actually moves forward to the car and then fires into the car.
Starting point is 01:12:31 Right. And follows the car and continues to fire into the car as he's following it. Wow. And that is what, and, and Roland, I want to make sure we understand this is a 16 year old boy that died and an 18 yearyear-old boy that died. And these are boys who, sincere, like I said, he had just left his mother's house two to four minutes prior. That is, um... That is beyond sad.
Starting point is 01:12:58 And all of this was in sincere's neighborhood. All of this that happened was in his neighborhood. It is very sad. And I will tell you, the thing that I'm most worried about in this case is when people say, why didn't they just stop? Because as a young black or brown man in a disadvantaged neighborhood, when police pull up on you with guns drawn and you have done nothing, there is a fight or flee mentality there. What do they do? We've seen this over and over again. So I'm flabbergasted when people ask me, why didn't they just stop?
Starting point is 01:13:43 This here is some video that's on Twitter. There were protests that took place yesterday there in Brevard County. Folks are certainly still outraged by this. Natalie Jackson, we appreciate it. Certainly keep us updated on this case. Thank you, Roland. I appreciate you being the truth seeker and helping us with this. All right. Thanks a bunch. I've got my panel here. This, Erica, is so disturbing because, again, it goes to police action. It goes to decision making. It goes to, you know, you're pulling somebody over allegedly for a stolen car. We find out, no, there was no stolen car. Now, two young brothers are dead. 116 and 118.
Starting point is 01:14:39 Woo. Yeah, this does not getting any easier. And for anyone that is related to those families, my sincerest condolences, because these are two black children who have promised over their life. who are birthed out of slave patrols since 1704, who really don't have any oversight, who are taxpayer-funded, that sign up for these positions to protect and serve, but what they actually are is executioners. And honestly, I don't give a damn what defund the police or abolish sounds like. It's time to do that. Because if anybody believes that reform is possible with people that use Black faces as trigger practice and then go out and actually execute Black and brown bodies on a daily basis, we make up 13% of the national population.
Starting point is 01:15:42 I'm going to quote Project Pat from Cheese and Dope, just one little sentence, use a damn fool. It's not going to happen. There has to be accountability now. It is always difficult, Greg, to play one of these videos, but it's also important for us as we deconstruct them. It is very difficult for mothers and fathers of black teens. I've got two twin 16-year-old nieces in my house. Do not have nephews who are in my house. But I can tell you right now, it would be scary as hell. It would be scary as hell to every moment one of my black nephews would leave the house. I mean, Natalie just, the boy left the house
Starting point is 01:16:44 and was dead four minutes later. Roland, this is the beautiful thing about life. Every moment we get to choose differently. And I know we were all thinking about it,
Starting point is 01:17:00 listening to Congresswoman McBath, and looking over her right shoulder, and you can see that picture of Jordan Davis, her son, back there. Eric is right. I mean, you're a damn fool. And I'm listening to Eric. I'm listening to you say something about your son.
Starting point is 01:17:16 And we know that none of us are safe. So I'll just say this very quickly. I'm glad to hear Natalie Jackson. I certainly am confident that she not only knows the law, but is going to be in the street. To our brother Ben Crump, I would say this. You know, we got a lot of lawyers rolling in the United States and in the world. And this isn't in any way a critique of Ben Crump. But there's a certain aesthetic of pleading.
Starting point is 01:17:46 There's a certain aesthetic of kind of a diminished capacity to exert ourselves that hardens in these narratives. You see the execution. Then you see the pleading. Then you see the idea of asserting some notion that there are some rules that are being played by it. So let's set aside the kind of crump universe. I'm just going to label it that. Again, not being critical of being crump, but saying we've got to break out of this idea
Starting point is 01:18:11 that there are rules. The sheriff there, shout out to Wayne Ivey, a real Klansman, who just defeated Alton Edmund, a brother who ran against him there in Brevard County, who was crushed. Wayne Ivey crushed him. Shout out to all the white nationalists in Brevard County who recognize that this isn't about the law. This is about your damn white nationalism. Wayne Ivey, a Trump supporter who has made videos
Starting point is 01:18:35 bragging, who has told citizens to arm themselves. Let's be very clear. I'll end with this. Florida has the death penalty. Jaffet, Santiago, Moran, the execution of Angelo Prunes and Sincero Piers should be given the death penalty. And if Ben Croft doesn't call for the death penalty, I'm not talking about let's investigate. No, we all know what we saw. You know, we are heading toward the moment
Starting point is 01:19:02 when Sheriff Ivey's admonition that we arm ourselves, we're going to finally hear it. And when we do, it will not be putting a car in reverse. I'd rather be judged by 12 and carried by six. And I hope you understand what I'm saying. Ben Crump, let's hear you talk a little different this time. Racy. Yeah. Like Erica said, this really doesn't get any easier.
Starting point is 01:19:28 And I mean, you know, it should not be a death sentence to not get everything right. Right. I mean, like, you know, it's not about following every rule. It's not about, you know, presenting yourself as being not threatening. Even if they were threatening, even if they did every single thing wrong, there's no basis for executing these two young black men for no damn reason. Like four minutes from leaving your home and you're dead. It's just it's unconscionable. And so I think we have to as a society and I don't I don't know if we'll get there, to be honest with you, but we have to change the standard.
Starting point is 01:20:09 And that might sound naive. I'm sure it sounds probably naive to Erica and to Dr. Carr. But I think we do have to change the standard, at least in our society, that says that, you know, that civilians have to be perfect and cops can just be guns of the Navarone anytime that somebody doesn't, quote unquote, comply with their standards. As Ms. Hamilton stated, the cop was easily, you know, he was he was easily able to get away. And I always just wonder in cases like this and even the case that we saw in Georgia at the, I believe it was the Wendy's and I hate that I can't remember his name off the top of my head right now. But, okay, if a person runs or if a person flees in the car, so what?
Starting point is 01:20:55 You know, you have the license plate, you can track them down or maybe you, you know. That's what's so basic here. You've got a license plate. License plate. And it's real simple. Y'all get away.
Starting point is 01:21:09 Don't worry about it. We gonna arrest you. Matter of fact, we got two cars. We will follow you. No, no, that's what always trips me out is that it's always like... No, but these thugs, these thugs... Look, Reesey, they mad as hell right now with Warnock trying to say he called police thugs.
Starting point is 01:21:32 Damn it. You call folk thugs who act like thugs. These are Klansmen, Roland. Kelly Loeffler and Perdue formed a white nationalist Klan alliance after that clown Collins formed an alliance with her in the Senate. Perdue evoked God yesterday in this. This is the Klan.
Starting point is 01:21:59 They don't look. They're not going to look for a way not to execute. That boy, that man who should be under the threat of a death penalty, Santiago Miranda, got out of that car with his gun. He was going to kill them when he came out the car. If the jury can't do it, damn it, somebody in the street is going to do it. Now, remember, now, remember, now, not only that, that particular officer also was arrested in April of this year for domestic violence.
Starting point is 01:22:31 Why is he still on the streets? Because that's obvious kind of me. Why is he still on the streets? Was arrested in 2007 for a felony. It was expunged off his record. How is he even a cop? Ivey, the sheriff of that county,
Starting point is 01:22:54 has gotten praise for leading domestic violence initiatives. He was found... Go to my iPad. He was found... His name is Jafet Santiago Miranda. He was found guilty. Records from the Osceola clerk of court show that in 2008, he was found guilty of burglary to a dwelling unarmed as well as aggravated assault with a firearm. Then, according to it says, it is not clear how Deputy Miranda was able to be hired as a Brevard County sheriff's deputy with those charges,
Starting point is 01:23:25 but the name and date of birth are a match. Also, um, again, it's not clear if this was from the, uh, it's not clear if he was a discipline for the domestic violence charges in January of 2019,
Starting point is 01:23:40 he was recognized as deputy of the month. He is currently on paid administrative leave while the shooting is investigated. But, to Greg's point, Sheriff Ivey has come out in his defense. Those cops are commonplace.
Starting point is 01:24:02 There are some good police officers, but damn it, when you're hiding behind that badge, anybody damn it, you hiding behind that badge. Anybody puts that uniform on, puts that badge on, and stands up and back this boy right here, you're on the other team. We need to stop pretending. See, they're not shooting at people. They are shooting at animals. We are not human. They are trained.
Starting point is 01:24:23 This is the point. And so this is going to stop when they realize that we respect our lives enough to take their life if they threaten ours. I just hate to put it that way, but this isn't going to stop humanity. I don't want to hear no more press conferences in front of the sheriff's office talking about we want justice. And forget Black Lives Matter. You know, when people understand Black Lives Matter, when they understand that you'll take their life. This is what happens, though, Erica, when folks say that's vigilante. What happens when the response is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth doesn't work? I mean, what we are dealing with it again, you're going to hear all a few bad apples.
Starting point is 01:25:18 But the problem is you've got a guy with a felony arrest in 2008. His wife is a cop, was arrested for beating her in April of this year, and the sheriff is still defending him? Of course. You know, Roland, I, you know, we have been in this country under vigilante law, right? And so, you know, whenever people talk about free and fair elections and, you know, some semblance of democracy, which I've used that language as well, that has not been, you know, free and fair has not been the Black experience, not for us who built this damn country where people have been able to profit beautifully off of black labor. So, you know, the few bad apples, that is a retired commentary.
Starting point is 01:26:15 We have, as Dr. Carr has said, we have a clabber that has been activated. They've been activated for quite some time. When you have a whole group of people that enforce laws based off of Black people who had freedom to make sure that that freedom was largely rejected, then you have a corrupt system. It has to be abolished. It cannot be reformed. It has to be abolished. It has to be defunded. And it actually has to be what some would say reimagined. But you cannot undo what people believe is their right, which is, as Dr. Carr said, is to really take down the animal. That three-fifths compromise, that three-fifths clause, we're still that for a large population of people, and that cannot be undone. That is not the way that they see us. So until that there is some real action, until there is some real accountability, we're
Starting point is 01:27:12 unfortunately going to see our sons, our daughters, our nieces, our nephews, mothers, fathers, uncles, people in our family headlined, and sometimes not headlined, but be executed at the hands of those people that again are supposed to be taxpayer funded service who go home, stay on administrative leave, they sleep lovely, they do interviews and they still come back to work or they go somewhere else to do the same type of execution work. Final comment, Recy I don't have the answers and I can't express any kind of faith in any kind of reforms because at the end of the day it's not about rules and regulations
Starting point is 01:27:55 it's about the lack of humanity in these people and the lack of humanity that they see in us so I don't know, I don't have anything else to really add Folks, let's go to the case of Kawan Bobby Charles, where police are now defending the handling of his disappearance. The 15-year-old was found dead earlier this month in a sugar cane field after going missing from his family home. He was last seen with 37-year-old Janet Irvin and her 17-year-old son on October 30th. Bobby's mother reported him missing around 8 p.m. that night.
Starting point is 01:28:25 However, instead of putting out an AMPR alert, the Ballroom Police Department informed her Bobby was probably at a football game. Fast forward to November 3rd, and Bobby was found dead in a sugar cane field. He appeared to have been mutilated and had several lacerations on his face. Despite how officers responded to Charles' mother, police say they didn't drop the ball, and they did everything in their power to help her and Charles's family. Officers claim they started searching for Charles as soon as they were alerted of his disappearance. As for why they didn't send out an Amber Alert, well, they claim his disappearance didn't meet the criteria. let's see a 15 year old boy
Starting point is 01:29:05 this is not home has disappeared I'm sorry what criteria are we talking about? white that's the criteria right that's about it
Starting point is 01:29:23 I'm just but also, who the hell in the police department said, oh, he probably had a football game? Erica, see, that's the thing for me. You're defending yourself. Who said with the police department he's probably had a football game? I want to know that. They don't care about us. They never have. They never will. And Recy just
Starting point is 01:29:50 said it moments ago. They don't see the humanity in us. And if you cannot see the humanity in someone who is just as human as you are, then you treat them accordingly. And we've been seeing this through those folks that support
Starting point is 01:30:06 the father of lies, the son of a Klansman. We're just continuing to see it play out over and over and over again. And it's really, when are we going to actually believe what we see before our eyes? The behavior is there. They could care less about us. That's why you have a whole wing that was started by two black women for black and missing children, because, you know, black children are not as paid as much attention to as their non-black counterparts, that they are actionable women that ensure that the faces of black people that are missing are across social media and that they're talking about it in media. And so that's, you know, for me, this is, I'm at a loss for words because it is so exhausting and you just feel the collective grief and pain of just all of our Black
Starting point is 01:31:02 brothers and sisters where this is a record that is constantly on repeat they don't give a damn about us they haven't and they're not going to um greg this is actually i went to the um amber alert website this is actually what they say is the criteria that if a law enforcement believe that an abduction has occurred and they believe that the child is in imminent danger of seriously serious bodily injury or death okay here's the problem you can't ascertain if the person was abducted if they're not home i mean i mean the kid there's a okay fine don't call an amber. Say there's a missing child.
Starting point is 01:31:47 Well, Reesey said it. Why? And Erica said they don't care about her. And, you know, here's the thing about law. You just, and one thing, Roland, that you do over and over again, I really respect you for it. You lead the viewers. You lead us through the text. So you remove places to hide from people who might claim there's some ambiguity in the plain language of the statute,
Starting point is 01:32:09 of the law, of what people have said. What you're doing is establishing that there is a standard should you choose to embrace it. But as Erica has said, when you have decided that these people are not human, you decide that whatever language you read doesn't apply to that group. And so then our only really choice is to create a situation
Starting point is 01:32:34 where that language does mean something by taking control of the apparatus of power. Now we can debate which ways to do that. But at the end of the day, when you show that boy, I think of your nieces who are, you know, I know your nieces. I mean, one of them was my student, right? They work with you. I think of Erica's children. I think of my niece and nephew. And the thing, finally, that really strikes me is that if it were my niece and nephew, that that was the picture of that, I would be going to jail. But I would be going to jail with the blood of whoever did it
Starting point is 01:33:02 on my hands. And I would revel in jail. I could read, I'd write, you know. And so, but I would be going to jail with the blood of whoever did it on my hands. And I would revel in jail. I could read. I'd write. You know. And so, but I would be comfortable with whatever life I would have to live until the end of my life. And my question then to us is, what is it about us that looks at a child like that and doesn't see your niece and nephew or Erica's son or my niece and nephew. What has come over us so that every time these staunch murderers, whether they be police in the street, whether it be Mitch McConnell and them, just trying to put some more people on the Federal Communications Committee today, has four more judges, Elizabeth McDonald. What is it about us that we don't see chinless Tom Cotton
Starting point is 01:33:40 down there in Georgia with his Klan friends running for the Senate. How come we can't see them for who we are? They are. And how come we can't look in the eyes of our own children and make a decision that either we are going to transform this society or there ain't going to be no damn society? Because they've already shown us that that is the line they've drawn. Damn any more sacrifice of our blood for this imaginary place called America. They're going to kill us until they run out of bodies, until we stop them. This is, so this is, this is quote, this is Bobby Charles. That's, that's how Bobby Charles left home. I'm warning everyone right now,
Starting point is 01:34:28 I will give you 20 seconds to turn away. I did not want to have to show this. If you want to see Erica turn her computer off, I totally understand. This, go back. This is Bobby Charles. This is also Bobby Charles. That is what is happening
Starting point is 01:34:59 to our children and this is not, this, y'all, is 2020. Emmett Till was 1956. There is no difference. Bobby Charles was lynched. The family, the family is now trying to pay for their own autopsy. The lawyers released a statement stating that the family is having to undergo financially,
Starting point is 01:35:39 put together their money to have their own autopsy. The thing that is still amazing, that's crazy, that's ludicrous, that's outlandish, is that the folk who picked him up, not in jail. Not in jail. And that's where we stand. And if they were in jail, Roland,
Starting point is 01:36:07 they could put a GoFundMe up and the Klan people and a billionaire or two would overflow the fund. And these people got to pay for it all time. My God. We talk about what happens here with these folks, but we got to remember when we talk about these police officers, not everybody, not every cop is white.
Starting point is 01:36:34 Joseph Mensah, the Milwaukee cop responsible for family shooting three people over the last five years while on duty, has resigned. In February, Mensah shot and killed 17-year-old Alvin Cole outside of the Mayfair Mall. Cole was running from the police with what police say was a stolen handgun. Cole pulled the handgun out while running from the police and accidentally shot himself in the arm. He allegedly pointed the gun at Mensah when he was told to drop it, and that's when Mensah opened fire, killing him. But Mensah, y'all, has a very nasty track record.
Starting point is 01:37:14 His last day is November 30th. This guy has actually killed others. He has not been on the force for a very long time. This, Recy, is where we talk about not white, but blue. Right. And, you know, it's just it's just a pattern. It's just a pattern. It's a culture that is pervasive and it transcends race. Uh, obviously, you know, it's more pervasive to me from the, um, from, from white races, but white nationalism, white supremacy is not a strictly white ideology, ideology. There are black people that are foot soldiers of white supremacy. And so,
Starting point is 01:38:01 you know, it's, it's a culture and, you know, he, I'm actually a little surprised that he just simply resigned because a lot of times when, when black people do this, or even sometimes Latino, depending how white presenting they are, um, or not, usually they, they do suffer more consequences than their white counterparts do. But, you know, the victim was black in this case. So that, you know, obviously gets them off a lot more versus if it were a white woman like the diamond person. I think that was and when, you know, that that black cop went to jail. But it's just it's sickening. And I mean, I just I just don't have the answers. Now, here's what's unbelievable. This is from a local TV station in Wauwatosa.
Starting point is 01:38:50 Wauwatosa police officer Joseph Mensah to be paid one hundred and thirty thousand dollars as he resigns from police department. According to this statement here, all pay earn and not paid at the date of resignation. So he is walking away. According to this agreement, Mensah is entitled to all unused and unpaid accrued vacation time, accruing vacation, overtime, professional leave, and longevity per his bargaining agreement through the date of resignation. He is also entitled to all pay earned but not paid through the date of his resignation on November 30th. The city has also agreed to pay MENSA, severance payments equivalent to 13 months pay through December 31st plus M Mensa's share of the cost of health insurance continuation.
Starting point is 01:39:48 That adds up to $19,500 in deferred compensation and a one-time severance payment of $15,000. Both payments will be taxed as required by law. The previous payments from the city to Mensa add up to a total of at least $45,000. So along with severance, along with benefits, Mensa is going to walk away after killing three people in five years, Erica, with $130,000. Yep. Of course he is. And this is the culture as we see, Risi just lined out, you know, that whole blue wall. And this is why calls for're talking about it, you said
Starting point is 01:40:46 it when you were reading over Rowling, I heard the word entitled. And so they are entitled to kill civilians at will. And that has to be broken. Craig Carr. In the words
Starting point is 01:41:02 of our brother Osei Jackson and F the police, they have the authority to kill a minority. So, you know, Eric is right. They're going to be transformed. It won't be at the federal level because the Democrats have shown they don't have the will, although there are increasingly more and more people being elected to the national legislature, people like Cori Bush and Jamal Bowman and others who are going to push them on the federal level. This is going to happen at the local level. And I don't know who that officer is, but I know his last name is Ghanian. And I wouldn't be surprised if we did a little digging that he may have a little special relationship with the police and the citizens
Starting point is 01:41:38 there or not. I don't know him, but I know that last name is Ghanian, which speaks to what Recy said. It isn't about where you're from. When you don that uniform, you take on another identity. And there's a reason why, you know, as you started with Trump and all this stuff going on with the election and him, it's not really about the election, as you said. He is stoking the fire. He is
Starting point is 01:41:57 continuing to give a focal point to a rage that has suffused the entire society. So what he's saying is, it's okay, y'all. Your prime will scream. Do what you want to do. And so he's going to take that $130,000 cushion, relocate somewhere, and he's going to, somebody's going to give him another badging gun, and he's going to continue his process.
Starting point is 01:42:18 And I'll end with this. The one shining light in this story, and it's certainly relative, is the fact that the police union negotiated that in collective bargaining. What the Democratic Party, if they want to continue as a unified party, need to understand is that labor, what you've showed us over and over on this show, organized labor is one of the keys to changing this entire situation. If people say they're against unions, however, when it comes to the police union, they somehow look the other way, you understand that that type of collective bargaining power
Starting point is 01:42:51 needs to be held by every union in this country. And if you are working, you need to be a member of organized labor because he's walking away with something that has been given to him, not because of him as an individual, but because of how that society, how that community, how this country has viewed police unions.
Starting point is 01:43:09 Drop the police off and treat all unions that way. There's a lesson in there, small though it is, about the power of organized labor. Absolutely. Got to go to commercial break. When we come back, we'll talk COVID-19 and the United States. That is next.
Starting point is 01:43:22 Roland Martin, Unfiltered. When you hear about sisters like that who are modern-day Fannie Lou Hamers, modern-day Septime Clarks, modern-day Diane Ashes, how does it make you feel? Go ahead, Roland. Go ahead. I'm just like...
Starting point is 01:43:42 You know who I like? Angela-huh, uh-huh. You know who I like? Angela Rye. And I think because she speaks to the voice of this generation. So she's young enough to still remember what that is, but yet old enough to be able to speak it in a way in which we respect as well. I think it's time for women to stand up. I think behind a powerful man is also a powerful
Starting point is 01:44:12 woman. I think and believe in being evenly yoked. And I believe in teamwork makes the dream work. So you can't do it by yourself. And it's been proven. So now we have to stand up. We have to be a new millennial woman. You got to be able to be independent. So if you're independent and you're standing by yourself, you have to mobilize each other and say, OK, I need you. I need you. And us together is more powerful together. Hi, this is Sheryl Lee Ralph.
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Starting point is 01:46:52 as cases continue to spike. President-elect Joe Biden spoke with frontline workers and informed them that the Trump administration is holding this country back from moving forward and getting the virus under control. We should be further along. One of the problems that we're having now is the failure of the administration to recognize. The law says that the General Services Administration has a person who recognizes who the winner is and then
Starting point is 01:47:27 they have to have access to all the data and information that the government possesses to be prepared and it doesn't require there to be an absolute winner it says the apparent winner the apparent winner and we've been unable to get access to the kinds of things we need to know. Medical experts warn if Trump administration doesn't cooperate with Biden and his team, then we will see more COVID deaths in this country. We need to all be pulling together now to make sure that nothing falls through the cracks. If we don't, we may end up with unnecessary hospitalizations, unnecessary chronic disease, unnecessary death, and unnecessary empty chairs at holiday tables.
Starting point is 01:48:19 But not only that, Greg, we also are seeing here reports that how the Trump people are really trying to screw the Biden Harris team as much as possible. Steve Mnookin, the Treasury Secretary, is now calling for the Fed return money that was sent to them. Also ending some emergency loan programs, not willing to extend them through the year. They want to end them at the end of the year to make it harder. So now the Biden folks got to restart the programs. We're still in a crisis. Then, according to one of the one of the advisers, they told CNN that they are purposely, purposely with the pullout of troops in Iraq, with what's happening, trying to potentially bomb Iran and other things.
Starting point is 01:49:00 They are actually trying to create more national security issues for the bi people as well. These corrupt thugs, this is the equivalent of setting the entire government on fire, burning everything for the new administration coming in. And I remember the lie when Republicans said the Obama people removed the keys from from, you know, whatever the hell they they tried to make up. It was a lie. It was an absolute lie. But this is a literal attempt to decapitate the new administration before they even walk in. Absolutely. And I congratulate them on spelling out for anyone, taking away anyone, taking away the excuse anyone gives
Starting point is 01:49:51 that we live in a country. When they say America, they mean them. That's what they mean. And so this is a strategy in terms of the administrative side to sabotage this administration. If they can get through the 24-month period, come back to the midterms and try to reassert.
Starting point is 01:50:09 This is the white nationalist party strategy. When they are the minority, they are completely obstructionist. So, you know, I'm sure that the incoming administration will try to reach across the aisle. What they need to do is immediately put Lindsey Graham up for ethics investigation because he's interfering in elections. If Lothar's reelected, she needs to be put out. But they're not gonna do that, because they think they live in a country. See, the problem is Mnuchin and them understand what
Starting point is 01:50:33 America is. As A. Philip Randolph said, you get what you can take and you hold on to what you can maintain to hold on. In other words, this is about power. The census reported today that they don't think they're gonna be finished until the third week of January at the earliest. That's putting it just outside the reach. But what did Trump and them want to do? They wanted to not count people who are not citizens. The damn Constitution says every person in the country. What does that mean, finally? That means that these people understand something fundamentally about America that apparently a lot of people, including the 44th President of the United States, looking at his new biography,
Starting point is 01:51:08 simply, simply don't get. When they say America, they don't mean you. And if they're not in charge, they will destroy it or obstruct it until they're back in charge. Until we grasp that fact, we're going to be victimized. Amen.
Starting point is 01:51:24 It's real clear what they want to do, Erica. They want to blow everything up. They don't care about a transition. They don't care about continuity of government. They don't care about nothing. And Republicans are standing idly by, including folks like Senator Mitt Romney. And they're saying and do nothing. That's why I couldn't trust any of them to do a damn thing post-inauguration. Absolutely, and I'm glad you brought up post-inauguration,
Starting point is 01:51:55 but let's go back to right after inauguration. All of us are in the DMV area, and remember the National Harbor across the river there where Steve Bannon, the former chief strategist for the regime, clearly outlined what their whole premise was, and that was to deconstruct the administrative state. That is what was televised. That is what was shared with everyone in that crowd and across this nation. And that's exactly what they've been about the business of doing. I don't think that there should be an expectation of anything less than that. And that that has been a fulfilled prophecy up to this point with 251,000 people and counting. And this is just from COVID that are attached to their backs, I agree with Dr. Carr,
Starting point is 01:52:45 they will stop at nothing. And they are absolutely going to run through the tape on this. Recy. And why not? They don't have souls. They don't have consciences. They don't believe in any kind of shared benefit to society. It's only, like Dr. Carr said, what can they get and what can they hold on to and what can they hold on to? And what can they take away from other people? That's literally the whole point of the Republican party's existence. And they get away with it time and time again, when they shut down the government, both sides get blamed when they obstruct, um, every single thing that, uh,
Starting point is 01:53:17 the Democrats try to do both sides to get the blame when Mitch McConnell holds out for stimulus relief so that corporations can go liability free to create as many unsafe conditions as possible for workers, both sides get blamed. Democrats have the time and throughout this since the time that Biden and Harris have won and been declared their projected winners, have spent more time already bedwetting and attacking the incoming administration for picks that haven't even been announced yet. very, very smart. They're much smarter than us as Democrats because they understand that they can do whatever the hell that they want to do. They can create whatever kind of reality that they want to create and nobody's going to do a damn thing about it. And I don't mean it in the terms of that the Democrats are cowards or that the Democrats are feckless and that they're just letting people run all over them because they're that weak, but because they understand that in our society, the facts don't matter. Accountability doesn't matter. It's just what you can convince people of.
Starting point is 01:54:30 And so, yeah, if, you know, Donald Trump managed to convince 10 million more people to vote for him, despite the fact that at the time we had over 200,000 people dead from the virus, that he refused to do anything about to maintain or to contain. And so why not? What's stopping them? It's a winning strategy for them. And with a minority rule in terms of their party is almost exclusively white. And yet, you know, they get away with it. They managed to hold on to the Senate for now. They managed to make gains in the House for, you know, not enough to win it back. They managed to make gains in state houses across the board. And it's not because that the Democrats were performed poorly. I mean, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris got record turnout, but because they are managing to galvanize
Starting point is 01:55:21 their base of white nationalists or people who either don't give a damn about white nationalism, they just give a damn about individualism. So there's nothing really stopping them at this point. And unfortunately, Americans are going to continue to die at alarming numbers. All right, folks. You know what time it is. No charcoal grills are allowed.
Starting point is 01:55:51 Wow, the clip. I got you, Carl. on my property on tilma san francisco says her neighbor has been spouting racist rants in the building's hallway for years. She finally decided to confront him, and lucky for us, she captured all on video. Do you ever shut the f*** up? Ever shut the f*** up in front of my door with your racist s*** you are this asian zach go live in asia funny how it's a white country 200 years of white supremacy if you thought asian lives matter they don't matter to us one bit so uh reesey, she confronted him. He was... Local station interviewed him. He made it clear,
Starting point is 01:56:48 hey, we should only look at white. I only care about men. I don't care about Asians, black people. I mean, that's the whole deal there. To me, if you're the building, you boot somebody like that out, I mean, this is an unrepentant bigot. And why not be? It's Trump's America for now, that out, I mean, this is an unrepentant bigot. And
Starting point is 01:57:06 why not be? It's Trump's America for now, so what's the point of even hiding? Come on out. Wave that flag. Wave that white supremacist flag so everybody can see it. What's going to happen? I mean, you know, for a while there, we had a
Starting point is 01:57:21 decent run with people going viral and this person lost their job and then they passed Caring Act or whatever else in some places. But what's stopping them? You can't reason with these people. This is what they believe. Look, I mean, and this is a liberal San Francisco, Erica. Ooh, child, liberal, progressive, all these cute terms. These folks are white. OK, the beginning and end of the day, they are absolutely white. They relish in their whiteness.
Starting point is 01:57:52 They are 1000 percent white. I don't care if they marry somebody black. I don't care if their best friend is black. These folks are white. And I'm with Recy. Let your free flag fly. Let everybody see who you are. Because, you know, at some time in the very near future, you will be the minority. And I'm wanting to see how bold they are going to be when that time arrives before, you know, the time being. This is just par for the course. And this is nothing that definitely is surprising the black folks. Absolutely there, Greg. I mean, look, this is what we see. Bottom line is, these folks out here, and that's why rolling the video is so important.
Starting point is 01:58:35 And you know what? Yeah, confront his ass. Confront him. Every time. You run up on a racist, confront him. Roland, this has been a harrowing two hours we've spent this Thursday. All of those heavy stories, all of that.
Starting point is 01:58:52 And so, to end on this note, it just reminds us, everyone watching, the thousands who are watching, this is why you have to support Roland Martin and the filter. Because when we leave this space in a second, and you look at this commercial in news entertainment media, not only are you not going to see any of these stories, the ones that talk about the same subject, you're not going to hear
Starting point is 01:59:11 any of this conversation. And if you watch that other BS long enough, you might think that's reality. That white man, Recy, I'm with you. Recy done had enough, y'all. It's like, look, Donald Trump, what has he said different from Donald Trump? Nothing! Except Recy didn't have enough, y'all. It's like, look.
Starting point is 01:59:28 Donald Trump, what has he said different from Donald Trump? Nothing, except what Trump is doing, they have weaponized this man, and now he can just walk the halls. Yeah, he's in San Francisco, but they have priced out the kind of people that wouldn't film that. That dude would have been laid out in San Francisco 30 years ago.
Starting point is 01:59:43 First of all, they would have been like, we ain't going to complain to nobody. You ain't going to hear him no more, sis. Is that him? Good. We got that. And you wouldn't have heard no more talk from him. You wouldn't have even seen him no more. They wouldn't have heard him, but he would have been removed from the situation. But we're now living in a country where
Starting point is 01:59:58 if that sister were to call the police, they may come in there and shoot her. This country was never a country. So the important thing is to understand, either this thing going to be reconstructed from the bottom up, or it's going to be worn in the street. Because white boys like that talking, you know,
Starting point is 02:00:14 they get hands in a lot of places. And we can do this here, folks. About, let's see here, eight minutes ago, go to my iPad, the Associated Press, they have called Georgia for Joe Biden. They said that after another recount, bottom line is, this race is over. Joe Biden has won Georgia.
Starting point is 02:00:36 And trust me, MAGA world is sick of pooping in their pants, trying to figure out how the hell do they flip a red state. I told y'all, y'all keep playing with fire. And so here's the deal. Y'all keep going after Warnock. Y'all keep trashing him. You keep, I'm telling you right now, we coming for y'all. Every single one of y'all.
Starting point is 02:00:57 Then I saw this story where they said, Laura Trump, she might run for the U.S. Senate seat in North Carolina. Oh, we going to come for your ass big time. Oh, let's just be real clear, Laura Trump. We're going to come for you. And so, folks, we're going to be on top of this stuff. We're going to be covering these stories. That's why we are here. To Greg's point, look, I know it's difficult.
Starting point is 02:01:20 I know it's tough. But here's the other piece. That story out of Florida, look, they're not spending time covering these things with what's happening. Now, they're not having Natalie Jackson on or Ben Crump on talking about these stories. That's why this show matters. That's why it matters where we actually control the narrative. We control the conversation. I don't have to ask somebody's opinion or ask them, can we please cover black stuff? No, that's not happening.
Starting point is 02:01:48 And so that's not how we roll. So we're not following everybody else's deal. Sure, I got the news on in here. We don't follow what they do. You know, MSNBC right now got an exclusive with Barack Obama about his new book. Now, y'all know Obama not going to come talk to me. Never. And I ain't got
Starting point is 02:02:05 nothing against him, but I'm just saying. That's a mainstream. You might mess around and Skype in Jeremiah Wright. I'm just saying, that's a mainstream thing. The kind of questions I'm going to ask are going to be a little different than what everybody else is asking. I'm just saying. So the
Starting point is 02:02:22 bottom line is, that's why we matter. That's why we need y'all to support what we do we have more than 15 let me you know what some folks sent some checks in the day so gregory smith uh thank you for your check uh let me thank uh w matthews and j.a matthews uh for your hundred dollar contribution to the show uh thank you roland mart. Keep up the good work. Walter and Joanne Matthews. I appreciate that Walter and Joanne Matthews. Let me thank Melinda McAfee for your $50 contribution.
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Starting point is 02:03:31 Suite 400, Washington, D.C. 2006. And so, Chelsea, bring my hat out of my office. So I'm going to go ahead and do this here. And so, y'all three are the first ones who I get to tell. So, we have, first of all, y'all, let me tell y'all three, the first ones, so we have, first of all, y'all, let me tell y'all, the panelists
Starting point is 02:03:47 who we had on our show have been unbelievable. They volunteered their time to do this here. And so, I appreciate their contributions on the show as well. So, what's about to happen is this here. And so,
Starting point is 02:04:03 first of all, the company kind of messed it up. So y'all see I'm rocking the zip up today. They kind of messed it up because the color's orange. Y'all see my logo's red. So they sent in the new order. So all the regular panelists on our show, okay, I was going to surprise them, but I'm going to go ahead and say it right now since Greg, Reese, and Erica are on.
Starting point is 02:04:28 And all the panelists on our show are going to receive one, these zip-ups we have right here. They're going to receive a hoodie. They're going to receive one of these baseball caps right here. All right? Then they're going to receive a beanie.
Starting point is 02:04:46 And then also a t-shirt and a sweatshirt. Each of our panelists are going to receive that. And so, again, we thank them for all they do. We thank the three of you. And so that will be... All my panelists are going to be getting an email from
Starting point is 02:05:02 Jackie asking for y'all sizes and asking for the address. So I need y'all to answer the damn email timely so I can mail these things out next week. Okay. All right. Thank you. Appreciate you. I ought to make you black folks drive by and like have a tent outside and just stay here.
Starting point is 02:05:22 So we'll work that thing out. And so I appreciate it. Folks, I'll see y'all tomorrow. Three of y'all, y'all have a great day. We got to go. Holla! I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time.
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