#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 11.7: Trump to pay $2M over foundation scam; Trump's 45th judge confirmed; Chicago's top cop retires

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11.7.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump ordered to pay $2M over foundation scam; The Senate confirms Trump's 45th judicial nominee; Eddie Johnson, Chicago's top cop retires in the midst of an investigation; 2020 presidential hopefuls talk environmental justice in South Carolina; Maryland HBCUs are joining together for a rally to demand fair funding; Crowd forces two women to remove their KKK Halloween costumes; Two African American literary giants have passed away. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Life Luxe Jazz Life Luxe Jazz is the experience of a lifetime, delivering top-notch music in an upscale destination. The weekend-long event is held at the Omnia Dayclub Los Cabos, which is nestled on the Sea of Cortez in the celebrity playground of Los Cabos, Mexico. For more information visit the website at lifeluxejazz.com. Can't make it to Los Cabos for the Life Luxe Jazz Fest? Get your live stream pass at https://gfntv.com/ #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Ebony Foundation | Home by the Holiday Home by the Holiday aims to reunite Black and Latino families separated by bail, while challenging racial injustice and mass incarceration. For more info visit https://www.homebytheholiday.com/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for that fraudulent foundation of his. And so a New York judge made it perfectly clear, time to pay up for all of the illegal crap that they were doing. We'll talk about it. Also, I keep warning y'all. The Republicans are focused on packing the federal bench with far right wing judges for the next 50 years. They celebrated this literally yesterday at the White House.

And today, the Senate Judiciary Committee moved forward another highly unqualified Trump nominee. This should be a warning to Democrats. You better focus on the federal bench in 2020. Also on today's show, Chicago Superintendent Eddie Johnson retires at the leading department for four years. That arrest, after he was passed out, likely had something to do with his retirement. We'll discuss that. Also, several presidential candidates are talking about environmental justice. We'll talk to a couple of folks who are involved in that particular forum as well. And next week, next Wednesday, there's going to be a major rally in Annapolis, Maryland for the four Maryland HBCUs. Time to put pressure on the governor as well as the legislature to properly fund those HBCUs.

Plus, we'll talk about two African-American literary giants who have passed in the last couple of days. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the miss, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine. And when it breaks, he's right on time.

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It's rolling Martin Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Roland Martin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rolling with Roland now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's Roland Martin now. Martin. Martin. Donald Trump said he would never settle the lawsuit against the Trump Foundation.

Guess what? His ass was lying. Today, a judge ordered him to pay two million bucks to a variety of nonprofits to settle a lawsuit against the Trump Foundation for illegal activities. I keep warning you what's going on. It was against Trump and his for illegal activities. I keep warning y'all what's going on. It was against Trump and his three oldest children. Of course, that foundation has been shut down as a result of those activities. Let's talk about this with our panel. Joining me, Dr. Julianne Malveaux, President Emerita, Economist, Bennett College. Also, Erica Savage-Wilson, host of the Savage Politics Podcast,

and Teresa Lundy, principal founder of TML Communications. Erica, I'll start with you. Again, Donald Trump was doing self-dealing, using his foundation to line his own pockets, to also buy a painting of himself as well. They got busted, and now they're going to fork over $2 million, should be paying out more. But remember, he said he was never going to settle. Looks like he settled. Well, liar in chief and the chief of emoluments clause violation. So I think that this is no surprise to us. And again, the two million dollars is, in fact, a drop in the bucket from the multimillions of dollars that he and his children have made since he has been

at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We also want to not forget or to refresh our memories that Donald Trump also owes his inauguration campaign, owes a great deal of money to the city of Washington, D.C., and also to other cities where he's held rallies. So this is par for the course, particularly for somebody who does not believe in paying his debtors and that is loudly and proudly lining his pockets. Julianne, at the end of the day, this is the kind of activity we've seen from Donald Trump.

He's always been a liar. He's always been someone who has done self-dealing. Now he's been busted. He's not only a liar, Roland, he's a grifter. I mean, he has taken every opportunity to just basically steal. He's not only a liar, Roland, he's a grifter. I mean, he has taken every opportunity to just basically steal. It's absurd. But what's the poetic justice in this? Although, as Erica says, a two million is a drop in the bucket. The poetic justice is that the judge ordered the monies to be distributed, among among other things, the United Negro College Fund. So, you know, you just got to have, fund. You know, it's like, okay.

The other thing that's unclear, they dissolved the foundation is what happened to the remaining assets of the foundation. But basically, I hope that we can get to the bottom of more of his self-dealing. As Eric said, he owes his District of Columbia money. He owes just about every city he's had a rally in money. He doesn't pay his bills. But he's never paid his bills. Even when he was the billionaire who was, you know, the art of the deal. The deal was don't pay your bills.

Teresa Lande, bottom line is we are dealing with a grifter in chief. That's what his family is all about. And so New York State has been very aggressive in holding him accountable. First under Eric Scheidman, he had to resign. Now, now, Letitia, she is now, of course, the attorney general there saying hold him accountable for all that he has done. Pure and simple. Absolutely. So when you start to hold people accountable for their actions, you start to see the domino effect. And in President Trump's case,

you are starting to see his money is now, which is, you know, pretty much his bread and butter of how he likes to govern, right? We know he's the largest top fundraiser right now. And so when you start attacking his money, then you start attacking his word. And so I can't wait to see what that trickle-down effect actually looks like. But I think it's just a set one in the breaking news that we'll see thus far from him.

Let's talk about what's happening when it comes to federal judges. Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee moved forward Steve Manasci, someone who was highly unqualified, and all the Republicans on that panel voted for him. This is the key. Yesterday at the White House, this huge rally where they touted these far right wing judges, they made it clear that they are going to pack the federal bench. Trump has appointed 25 percent of all of the federal judges on the appellate bench. That is a huge issue. What we're now talking about is that Republicans want to put folks on there to serve the next 40 to 50 years. Julianne, this had better be an issue for Democrats in 2020. It has always been an issue

for Republicans. These are the folks who are going to be ruling on civil rights, on environmental laws, on all our federal laws. Somebody better pay attention to what's going on. We absolutely need to roll. And they're finding very young people, some as young as 35, 39. They have a life expectancy of at least 40 years. Most people don't step down from these judicial appointments. So we basically are looking at people who are, you know, at the state level, the regional level, appellate level, changing the law, changing the law. We've seen what this means in terms of voting rights.

We have a series of voting rights things we're dealing with. The environment, of course, they don't believe in climate change. And so you have all kinds of pollution. Well, we can go down the list and check out the issues. The fact is that Democrats have not made this issue of the courts clear enough. And therefore, especially millennials who are voting, frankly, don't get it. I'm not dumping on millennials, but I'm simply saying that when Hillary in 2016 talks about the Supreme Court, you don't make it plain. You have to talk about more than the Supreme Court. You have to talk about every other level of judiciary. And none of us have done that.

So we need an education about that. But, Erica. Right. Well, Erica, that's one of the reasons that's what I try to do on this show, trying to walk folks through this, because we're talking about people who are going to have, again, you're going to be the nation's majority of people of color in 24 years. These folks will be serving another 25, 30 years on the federal bench. This is all by design. Absolutely, Roland. Dr. Ali had a conversation off camera last week talking about the importance of the courts and why that is not something that, quite frankly, is something that's layer over into different communities, folks that are Democrats. And quite plainly, one of the things that you pointed out is that, you know, usually people's experience with the courts, particularly black and brown people, usually has a negative connotation.

Even if it's someone that's in their immediate family, it is by looking at police shootings and things of that nature. But here's where we have to kind of like stop. And so these people that are being appointed, overwhelmingly, 80% of them are white men. And as you already said, those folks are under 50. Dr. Malvo talked about- Almost 90. In fact, not one African-American, only one Latino. Right. And we're talking about about 150 plus federal judges. Again, all white except one. Right. And these are the people that will be hearing appeals when you're talking about, you know, sexual discrimination, all types of discrimination that falls upon the Civil Rights Act.

These are the people that will be hearing and listening to those cases. And if their worldview is shaped by an ideology which says that my whiteness makes us right, makes me right, it makes me a priority, then that's already null and void. And then even when we move to impeachment, we already see how Democrats, quite frankly, are not handling the whole impeachment explanation well. So to even believe that these individuals, 150, as you mentioned, plus that have already been nominated, could just be one by one impeached, that's not enough. The education, what you're doing on this show, the things that are being talked about and really laid out to

bear are what people need to take accountability for and to become right, well educated in that. Teresa, you're in the communications business. And again, Democrats have not established a narrative that walks people through this. Republicans have. He's essentially told white conservative evangelicals, look, I'm going to hang out with the federal judiciary. Y'all can do whatever y'all want to. The Republicans get it. Democrats don't. And that's the problem. So when we start, you know, like when Democrats, I believe, start campaigning, they campaign based off emotion and the issues. But we don't educate on the process.

And when we start educating people on the process, we then start to open a lot of avenues of how to, you know, them to start teaching inside of their communities. Now, so I think that if we start opening that gateway of Democrats, start expanding their message and start having real conversations with local municipalities and starting to, you know, round out that conversation and saying, hey, I don't just need you to tell your people to vote. I need you to educate them on what the next ballot position question is instead of just putting it on a ballot for people to vote. So, again, when you start educating the public,

the public then feels empowered to come out the vote, right? Otherwise, you still have that ignorance, and thus people feel like they don't know what's going on or what the process is. They then stay home. Well, one of the issues that we talk about, certainly the environmental justice tomorrow at South Carolina State University, several Democratic candidates are going to be on that campus talking about the very issue. The forum is called Moving Vulnerable Communities from Surviving to Thriving. Joining me to talk about what that is going to mean in terms of these issues are going to be a couple of our guests.

You often see Mustafa Santiago Ali on our show as well. Of course, he's the vice president of environmental justice for climate and community revitalization at the National Wildlife Preservation Federation and also Gilda Cobb Hunter. She's the president of the National Black Caucus of State Legislators. And so I want to, we were chatting with them in just a second. While you guys are pulling them up, let me ask you this here, Julian. How do we, again, on an issue where you don't necessarily have lots of African-Americans involved, getting them to understand the impact of environmental justice, asthma on black kids. Look what's happening in Flint, Michigan, how the water crisis is impacting the special needs of students in those schools. They're going to have to be tracked the next 30 years.

Even their children have to be tracked based upon what happened in Flint as well. And so environmental justice has to be a critical issue for African-Americans in 2020. It's a black issue, and we all too often ignore it. The fact is that most dumps are contiguous to African-American communities. That causes all kind of pollution and all kinds of diseases. As you say, my cousin, Dr. Floyd Malvo, has done all this work on asthma. Now almost one in four of our children has asthma. And this, again, is a challenge. Still

leaded walls in public housing, et cetera. The water, we all know about Flint, but there are probably another 50 Flints. But people don't talk about that. So the quality of our water is affected. All of it. And somehow we haven't been able to make the case for black folks. Black folks see environmental issues as, oh, you're outside or you're hugging a tree. You know, pretty much. They don't really see it as this is the quality of the air you breathe, the quality of the water you drink, you know, the quality of the where people dump. And the dumping issue is one that actually environmental justice activists sometimes do pay attention to,

and it's one that communities need to pay attention to. Because we tend to live in the lower-cost parts of town, it's easy to dump in our part of town. But then all of that pollution, all of that corruption, and so you end up finding cancer rates, all these things that we can measure. And the researchers in Flint did a brilliant job of measuring. But then what do we do about it?

And what we've seen in Flint is very little has been done. The crisis still exists. Erica, again, making the connection for African-Americans when you talk about environmental justice compared to civil rights, police accountability. Absolutely. And environmental justice impacts everything from jobs. And I think one thing that's great importance, Dr. Malbeau brought out environmental justice is not really framed in a way that centers black folks. A hundred thousand black and Latino people die every year from air pollution. That is that's staggering. And so when we think about people within our families that we know that have asthma and we consider the cities that they live in and perhaps parts of town that we live in, because this issue has not been really framed in a way that really does center us, that makes us people that bear the brunt of climate change,

that bears the brunt of lead poisoning and things of that nature. I think that we somehow believe that that is what Dr. Melville said, that that's a tree hugger issue. But it is very much so a black and a brown issue. So this is yet another another quiver that we have to put in our in our bow to be able to say, listen, this is something that we have to pay attention to because it impacts all of us. It's not a coincidence that cousins and family members have a hard time breathing and have asthma and have respiratory

problems that they do carry regularly. I want to bring in Gilda Cobb-Hunter. She, of course, is the president of the National Black Caucus of State Legislators. Gilda, why did you want to have this at South Carolina State? It was important. Thanks for having me, Roland. It's important for us, the National Black Caucus, to do it at South Carolina State and HBCU. We are in the first in the South primary, early primary state. And quite frankly,

we thought it important for candidates, presidential candidates, to be held to the standard of not just talking the talk, but walking the walk. We are extremely pleased that six of those candidates chose to come to this HBCU and share their position on environmental justice, what they would do if he or she would become president. And obviously, when you talk about those issues, who are the candidates who are actually going to be at South Carolina State tomorrow? We will have Senator Elizabeth Warren, Tom Steyer, Senator Cory Booker. We also will have Admiral Joe Sestak, former Congressman John Delaney, and Mary Ann Williamson. Joe Sestak?

Oh, wait a minute. I didn't realize. So Sestak and Delaney are still in the race? Look, they are going to be here in South Carolina. And guess what, Joe? Like, seriously, when you mention their names, I'm going. They're still running. Okay.

All right. I got you. Well, you know what, Roman, let me just say something on that. Let me say something on that real quickly because one of the things that we, the organizers, thought was important is that even though they have not made the DNC stage, the fact that they came and wanted to, or will come rather, and want to share their position, at least NBCSL and the NAACP is giving them a little airtime. And who knows, maybe one of these candidates who chose not to be here will learn something from those three. The last question for you, are y'all going to be streaming the event tomorrow? Is it airing anywhere?

Yeah, it's live stream. We've got a number of media partners. We have CNN and Fox and CBS and all of them who will be covering it. And so Mustafa, I know you will be speaking with him shortly. He can give you some additional information on how it can be viewed.

Okay, Gilda, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Guys, we have Mustafa there? Mustafa. Okay, sorry. Alright, so sorry, folks. We don't have Mustafa there, but Gilda, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. We come back.

Of course, more Roller Mark Unfiltered. We'll talk about the HBCU rally next week happening in Annapolis, Maryland. Also, I'll be chatting here with Mark Curry. He actually says he's got a golf game. Pray for him. You're watching Roller Martin Unfiltered, Los Cabos, Mexico, second annual Life Lux Jazz Experience. Back in a moment.

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Police Department, is retiring. He served in that position for about four years. Of course, this comes on the heel of him being discovered passed out at a stop sign by various Chicago police officers. Teresa, there's no doubt in my mind that Eddie Johnson is retiring because of that, knowing full well he could not leave the department when the superintendents gets found

passed out in his car. He said it was some medication that he took. The mayor did say earlier that night he had a couple of drinks. Bottom line is he was actually, he's not going to actually be fully vested until April. You don't resign now and you're going to be fully vested with your pension in April because you just feel like walking away. No. We actually know what this is, and this is a silent walk away.

It's very standard in law enforcement. They won't say that, you know, you commit any crime. They'll say thank you for your service and continue your pension as it increases. But, I mean, it's unfortunate, you know, someone in leadership who thinks, again, that was an action where they felt like they were above the law. And so, you know, when you act like that, you know, it does make us because, you know, it's always African-Americans in leadership. And so it's a small, silent cover-up that I believe that people know,

and they're silently trying to have it walk away. You know, Roland. Julianne, 31 years as with the Chicago Police Department. know and they're silently trying to have it walk away. You know, Roland... Julian, 31 years as it was the Chicago Police Department. We also, this comes on the heels of the brother who was a number two in the New York Police Department being passed over by Mayor Bill de Blasio.

The reality is very few African Americans get opportunities to lead major police departments like Chicago or New York. Exactly. And 45 went to Chicago a week or so ago and dissed his brother big time, talked about how, you know, law enforcement would not get better

as long as he was ahead. But one of the things I have, we have to say in fairness, yes, he was passed out. There's no excuse for that. But he also is in relatively poor health. And actually, he was at the doctor's office that day. They told him to go to the

emergency room. He did not. So one wonders if that contributed to the pass out or lightheaded or whatever it was. But his health has been poor. He had a kidney replacement earlier in the year and some other things. So I would just encourage people not to pile on, but so much. He was wrong. But this it may have been time for him to go because with those kind of things, kidney, et cetera, and then the stress and because, you know, he came in on the heels of the Laquan McDonald case and he had to do a lot of cleaning

up. And I imagine that the white police officers in Chicago are not his favorite person or that he's not their favorite person. I want to place some of what he had to say today at that news conference in Chicago. I had my doubts sometimes about our strategies, but the numbers tell us that what we've been doing is working. It's perhaps best to compare this past summer to the summer of 2016.

This past summer, murder was down 41% compared to the summer of 2016. And that translates to 141 murders this summer as compared to 240 murders in the summer of 2016. That's a difference of nearly 100 lives in just the summer months. That's 100 fewer funerals. That's 100 fewer sobbing mothers and heartbroken fathers. Robby's also down 29% this summer versus the summer of 2016. Burglary is down 31% for the same period. In fact, robberies, burglaries and auto thefts are all at 20 year lows. Shooting victims are down 34%. Shooting incidents down 38% this summer compared to 2016. Now this is an equally significant statistic as each shooting

victim has the potential to be a murder victim. For those that survive a shooting, the wounds never truly heal. The victims of gun violence are often left physically or psychologically broken. So reducing these shootings in the city that I love has been one of the greatest accomplishments of my career. And it's with that in mind that I want to announce my retirement today. It's time for someone else to pin these four stars to their shoulders. These stars can sometimes feel like they're carrying the weight of the world.

But I'm confident that I'll leave CPD in a better place than when I became superintendent. I'll help with the transition to the new superintendent however possible. CPD needs strong leadership. And I want the next top cop to continue making improvements in public safety and in a department that I love. All right, Erica, I want to get your thoughts on this before I go to my next story. Just very quickly. So I'm glad that his trip to London helped to inform his decision. But I believe that the city of Chicago definitely deserves much, much better. He was not one of the top tier candidates that was actually up for superintendent. And so to have Rahm Emanuel speak well over you does not do much to that as well.

So I really, really hope for the best for the city of Chicago, because it is really a dumping ground for Fox News and just for ideologues as a way to really express their hatred, demonstrative hatred for black folk. But for whomever is going to be in leadership next, no matter what the face look like, Chicago and all of the people that reside there, especially the black folks, deserve much better. All right, folks. And Annapolis, Maryland, on Wednesday, next Wednesday, November 13th at 1 p.m., there's going to be a rally led by the Black Caucus in Maryland to put pressure on Governor Larry Hogan to have a real settlement for those four HBCUs that have been embroiled in a 13-year lawsuit against the state of Maryland when it came to duplication of programs.

They say that that has negatively impacted them. They should be getting a billion dollars. They said that it makes sense to get $522 million. Hogan has only offered $200 million. Julianne, this is a huge issue. It's going to take place at 1 p.m. in front of the House of Delegates building at 6 Blayton Street in Annapolis, Maryland. For more information, people can call 410-841-3185, 410-841-3185. They've also aligned with Divine Nine of Fraternities and Sororities, who are encouraging their members to go out there. Also, NAACP, National Urban League, and others are being involved. I have been involved in this with them, Julian. And it is amazing to me that in 13 years, there has not been

a mass rally on behalf of HBCUs when it comes to this lawsuit. And I challenge the Divine Nine to step up and push thousands of members out there because Maryland and this governor and the legislature needs to understand that black folks are not going to be silent when it comes to how these HBCUs were treated with these duplicate programs. You know, Roland, to offer $200 million when basically the court said it's a billion, 20%. They're offering them, you know, 20%. And that's ridiculous. The plaintiffs basically compromised by saying they would take the $522 million, but that was only really half of what the courts said they should pay.

But the challenge here is also that this happened under Hogan. Hogan, but we've had Democratic governors who have not offered more. The HBCUs are literally at the sidelines of people's thinking, even though they still maintain their vitality in our community. HBCUs are still doing the heavy lifting in terms of basically educating black people. And Maryland has four great HBCUs with presidents who are doing yeoman's work,

but they would do so much better if they had the money. And so Hogan is really slapping folks in the face. Maryland has a large African-American population. I'm glad the Maryland black legislators are, excuse me, finally stepping up because they have not been the advocates that we really elected them to be in terms of this issue, even though many of them are products of HBCUs. Actually, I disagree with you on that one, because the black delegates have been. The problem is they haven't had external people who have been out there. I spoke to the Maryland Black Caucus a few years ago on this very issue. They have been fighting it, but you haven't had external groups.

NAACP is located in Baltimore, Maryland. They have never organized anything, a mass demonstration on behalf of these HBCUs. Again, none of these civil rights organizations. That's why I challenged them and the Divine Nine to say, I'm sorry, you've got to step up and do something for them. This is where, this is where, Erica, people need to understand you've got to have an inside game and an outside game. You've got to have an internal and an external. The external pressure is what is necessary for the internal folks to also get what is required. And that is just going to be needed to be repeated over and over again. The other part of it is kind of we're kind of going to seeing an exit in

homecoming. And so when we're gathered together like that as family and friends and celebrating our roots, that those are actual conversations and those are opportunities for us to actually grow, as you said, that internal, external type of force as well. And I also want to say this. I think that this should also be on the minds of folks, particularly those Democrats, those folks that back Larry Hogan in his bid for governor again. So let's also be reminded of that. He did receive a boost from Democrats, largely black folks as well. So these are the things that we really need to have top of mind when we're thinking about local, state, and we're thinking about those executive offices and the power that they hold. Yep. Teresa, we've seen, of course, where black folks in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania have been fighting for Cheney, fighting for fighting for HBCUs there.

But this is necessary to have this public demonstration in Annapolis. And again, if Hogan doesn't do what's required, the federal courts are going to make a ruling on this. But I then say come January, the mayoral legislature meets for 90 days every single year. There should be a bill put forth, and black folks will be putting pressure on Democrats in that state, a Democratic state, to say, pass this bill, fund them to the tune of $522 million. Now there's $200 million that Larry Hogan is offering. I don't even know why this is even an issue for Governor Hogan to even do what he's supposed to do, better yet required to do. But it also kind of shows you what the mindset is, is going on in that executive legislator.

Because any time you can get the majority of African-American voters, many of whom are college educated, many of whom are working families, to vote for you for governor in that race, and then to have legislators do their job. And then it's kind of like you're taking it for granted, right? So I'm going to give you scraps. I'm going to give you $200 million, and you're going to be happy. So I do believe in Roland. I'm grateful for that call and action because I know I'm going to share it with my networks, and everybody needs to be traveling. They need to be taking a bus. You know, something has to happen because if it doesn't happen by January, like I said, a bill definitely needs to go.

But if the community is enchanting change, then there needs to be some look at um who they place in leadership and i also want to add this we need to be less reactionary real quick real quick quickly the democrats who ran for governor of maryland did not make this an issue this could have should have been an issue for ben jealous it should have been an issue for the brother from pg county who was running if this were an issue they may have been an issue for the brother from PG County who was running. If this were an issue, they may have been able to galvanize more black votes than they got. The fact is that we have put HBCUs at the periphery, not at the center.

Yep. Got it. All right, folks. Again, Ralli's taking place November 13th, 1 p.m. in Annapolis, Maryland. We'll be live streaming on Roland Martin Unfiltered, so we look forward to that. My last story before I let my panel go, you know we have our segment called Crazy-Ass White People? Roll it.

I'm uncomfortable. All right, so a couple of people are not white and Latino, but look, they were dressing like white people. They decided to wear KKK costumes for Halloween. Did not go over well with black people in L.A. I'm not wearing anything. I'm not wearing anything. No, it's not. You don't have to wear anything. I'm not wearing anything. black people in LA. I don't know. Okay, to all my Latino friends. It's never a good move.

Do not imitate white people when it comes to kkk costumes okay okay unless you're dave chappelle on the chappelle show and it's a joke i'm just saying it's not gonna work erica what is wrong with these people um so let me um step back we kind of have a little conversation here and so this is a problem somewhat that lays at the feet of the culture stop allowing folks to talk about you use words that are very specific to your community as a black woman um anybody that steps in me or uses languages like nigga or nigger, we immediately have a problem. And so the other part I think that's really good is that anti-blackness is very real. So to see that it's not just and I think that this is something that everybody needs to see.

It's not just a specific age demographic. It's not a specific generation. This is largely people that think that it is okay to disparage black folks. And I, for one, as a very black woman whose ancestors paid the price in blood to be here for well over 500, very black, don't like,

you can't try me like that. And so I think that that's a line that has to be drawn in the sand around anti-blackness. I'm just saying, Teresa, K.K. Costume don't really work well in a black neighborhood. Not at all. No neighborhood.

Yeah, I was about to say, this is no neighborhood left behind, right? Y'all said no neighborhood. No, there's some white neighborhoods that work well. Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, New Jersey, but not L.A. counties.

Unless it's cold. No. Unless you're shooting black Klansmen with Spike Lee, no. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. What I did like about that, Roland, is that,

you know, that the confrontation didn't escalate where it could have escalated, right? Where it could have got really out of control. But what I did appreciate is that they were unmasked. Yeah, right. It could have been that and a little bit more, right? Depending on the reaction of and how people were feeling that night. But what I do appreciate is that people are now unmasking it, right? So when you take the hood off, that's just the first step, right? Because then, as we saw in the video,

the young ladies then started to try to hide their face and try to cover back up. But if you're bold enough to wear that costume, then you are bold enough to stand your ground on why you feel like this was funny because it wasn't funny. But, Teresa, if you look at history, the reason why Klansmen wore the costume is because many of them were the preachers. They were the mayors.

They were the other people. And they covered up. I mean, when you look at lynching chronicles, you'll hear, you'll see stories about how somebody recognized somebody's shoes. They said those were the same shoes that the police chief had on earlier today. So it's consistent with our historical ignorance that these folks would put the Klan costumes on

and let's just assume that they were not racist, they were just well-meaning. Then, as Erica has said, the anti-blackness that is replete in our country allows Latinos, who ought to be our allies, to behave badly. So people of color is not a coalition until you own my pen, my pen,

until you own my history, because it's American history. And these clansmen lynched 4,000 people. So again, let me do this here again. So now it's time for a lesson. If y'all are shooting white folks doing crazy stuff, do me a favor. Shoot like this here. That way it fills the whole screen up, okay? See, when you shoot like this, I got the two black bars on the side.

No, I need to see all of it. So that's my video lesson. If you're shooting, police beating people up. If you're shooting crazy-ass white people, shooting into this video, folks, please learn how to shoot horizontal or landscape. That's all you got to do. Hold the phone just like this here. And then that way, when we put it on television, it fills the whole screen. TV now is in 16 by 9.

It used to be standard 4 by 3. Okay? It's a little geeky, but y'all don't know. But I'm just saying, don't shoot like this here, okay? I want to see the whole ass whooping, okay? That's all I'm saying. All right, folks, before I let my panel go, we lost a couple of the rare giants this week.

Ernest Gaines, a novelist who was known for the autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman, A Lesson Before Dying, and other tales of racial injustice in rural Louisiana. He died on November 5th at his home in Oscar, Louisiana. He was 86 years old. Gaines spent the first 15 years on a plantation near Baton Rouge and later moved with his family to Northern California. In many ways, he never left the painful history of his childhood. His writing drew comparisons to that of Charles Dickens and William Faulkner. He survived by his wife of 26 years, Diane Sawney, four stepchildren and nine siblings.

In fact, he was it was it was actually it was actually James Baldwin who blasted Hollywood for their refusal to tell the stories of black novelists. And he mentioned Ernest Gaines. And then when the autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman dropped, it was CBS who actually ran that movie starring Cicely Tyson. And so Ernest Gaines dies at the age of 86. Also, William Branch, a leading black playwright in the 1950s who helped bring the African-American experience to all Broadway before he turned to radio and television as a writer. He passed away in Hawthorne, New York. He was 92 years old. branched with the son of a minister of the AME Zion Church, initially pursued acting, appearing alongside Sidney Poitier in the all-black 1951 production of Sidney Kingsley's detective story at the Apollo Theater in Harlem. Of course, in the 1960s, he wrote for the Alma John Show, a syndicated radio program, was a producer and writer for public television specials, including what is now WNET in New York,

and he partnered with filmmaker William Greaves. He co-wrote the 1968 documentary Still a Brother, Inside the Negro Middle Class, which received an Emmy nomination and American Film Festival Blue Ribbon. In addition to his daughter, Rochelle, branch of LA, survivors include two grandchildren. So certainly we remember two literary

giants right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered, Erica, Julian, and Teresa. I thank both of all three of you for being on theiltered. Erica, Julian, and Teresa, I thank both of all three of you for being on the show today. Folks, when we come back here at Los Cabos, we'll talk with the lead singer of Incognito, one of the 14 acts performing here at the second annual Life Lux Jazz Experience. Y'all, it feels great.

It's lovely being out here. Glad I ain't freezing my ass off in D.C. or somewhere else. I'll be back, Roller Martin Unfiltered, in a moment. You want to support Roller Martin Unfiltered? a moment. You want to support Roland Martin Unfiltered? Be sure to join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar that you give to us supports our daily digital show. There's only one daily digital show out here that keeps it black and keep it real. As Roland Martin Unfiltered, support the Roland Martin Unfiltered daily digital show

by going to RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. Our goal is to get 20,000 of our fans contributing 50 bucks each for the whole year. You can make this possible. RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. Alright, folks. We are here in Los Cabos, Mexico. Second annual Life Lux Jazz Experience.

14 acts performing over three days. If you, of course, now it's a little bit too late if y'all want to come. You can actually hop on a plane if you want to come here. But if you want to actually see all of the concerts, go to GFENTV.com, GFENTV.com. You can actually get the live stream pass for $10.99. You can see all of the performances. It's going to be great here. Joining me right now is Bluey, lead singer of Incognito. What's happening? Hi, I'm really enjoying it. What's not to like?

We're on the beach. Okay, well, absolutely. Of course, it's great here. But what's up? You've got this heavy shirt on, man. It's too warm for that. This is much colder than my island, Mauritius.

So it's much colder? Yeah. This is getting cool now. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, T-Note, cloud cover, tempers are dropping. In a minute, you'll be looking for your jacket. No, no, no, I won't.

No, I won't. No, trust me. You understand, I lived in Chicago for six years. We had a cold front that came through in June. And so I hold off on wearing a jacket as long as I can because even now being in D.C., when it comes, it's going to be there for at least five months. So that's how we do it. So let's talk about being here, this experience.

Now, look, you have jazz festivals all around the country. And so give me a sense of how folks around the world still receive jazz. In the United States, it's a lot different than other parts of the world. Because it's a music that still brings people together. We celebrate life together, especially in a world now that's led by a lack of empathy and greed, as you've been talking about on your program. Music is a small part in the wheels

that brings people together and still celebrate life and feel they can actually maybe come together and inspire change. And that's why it's so popular, and it continues to have that essence of celebration and coming togetherness, but also it's for the thinkers. What jazz artists influenced you?

Or were there any other artists who influenced you? Everybody from Miles David to Stevie Wonder in the soul side, and bands like Earth, Wind & Fire, who was funk bands, but they were jazz bands. You know, Earth, Wind & Fire was as much a jazz band as any other band in the world for me, you know, from listening to the early days when all those solos were blaring. And, you know, so they were a big inspiration. Chicago. See, what I love about jazz is you've got to play a damn instrument. You cannot be in jazz and not have

an instrument. Other art forms, trust me, it kills me with all of the computers and everything, but it's something different when you actually have to play an instrument. I've been taking a 12 to 15 piece band around the world for 40 years. No track playing, just live band, 40 years. No track, no track playing, just live band, 40 years. 12 to 15. That's a lot of damn attitude. Yes. You learn from the best earth, earth, wind and fire tower of power, Chicago. You know, it's like you learn from those bands and you say, that's the way to make that sound. That's the way to communicate that information, inspiration, information that is. All right. So if you had your pick of three now deceased jazz artists to be in your band, who would they be?

Well, some of them were actually played with us, George Duke and Grover Washington. I didn't get a chance to, because to me, no, no Grover, no smooth jazz.

And, and, and the guy, a guy I've worked with many times, Roy is. Who's going to be here? Yeah. So I'm waiting for my hug from the man. Well, that's a good three right there. See, people are probably going to be surprised with those three.

Let's see here. I'm going to throw this at him. Give me the best white jazz artist for you. Uh, I would say Bill Evans. Bill Evans. All right. Yeah. Some mad white guys right now.

Eh? Well, you know, he's one of the best. What can I say? You know, it's touches, touches my heart. You know, how do you relate to what is best? The best is the ones that speak to your heart and soul. And he did that. All right. Now, um, I ask comedian this all the time.

I asked him, what's the bit, what's the funniest city for them? Uh, you travel all around the world. If you had to pick one place in terms of whether fans are rabid, crazy jazz fans, what place would that be? It's hard to beat New York, but I would say outside of that, Seoul, Korea, South Korea,

Seoul. Really? Between that and any city in the Philippines. Why is that? Because they embrace it in a way that it's not just for the moment. They live it. Their kids learn to play jazz. You know, you've got an 8- and 9- and 10-year-old that can tear up the piano, guitar, saxophone.

It's like they live it because it's a Bible to them. They play their babies that stuff in the belly. Wow. See, folks, folks would be shocked by that. Otis Clay was one of my favorite blues artists and one of his my favorite for him. He did he did a an album that was in Tokyo, Japan, and a lot of blues artists. They are huge in Asian countries. Of course, it's where they, you know,

you get to a certain age, the world tend to overlook you in those countries. They respect you even more and they bring you. And those artists can still make a living. They can still have, will live life with a dignity. They can be, go on a stage and feel that, that,

that adoration of music, not just them as individuals. When they step up on that stage, they carry the, they bear the torch for all the jazz players and all the blues players and all the soul players. They embrace the history in a way that we have forgotten how to. All right. Now, folks out there watching right now,

if there was one incognito album that they should go download right now, what is it? If I'm speaking to Americans, it's got to be Positivity. But I would say our new one, you know, because the new one to me is always the word. And that is Tomorrow's New Dream, which came out today and went number one

in Japan. Wow. All right. Congratulations. Thank you. We're looking forward to you hitting the stage there. And thank you for having me on the show. Beautiful show and bringing home a lot of truths to a lot of people. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch.

Looking forward to it. All right, y'all got to go to a break. We come back. We'll chat with Mark Curry. We're going to talk about his affinity for printed pants, why he has a crush on Babyface, and lastly, why he is seeking a loan from Lionel Richie.

That's next. Roland Martin Unfiltered. You want to support Roland Martin Unfiltered? Be sure to join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar that you give to us supports our daily digital show.

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contributing 50 bucks each for the whole year. You can make this possible. RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. All right, y'all, we are back. Roland Martin Unfiltered here in Los Cabos, Mexico. Second annual Life Luxe Jazz Experience. This man here is going to be the host of all of this.

Was it Esha Scott? Mark Curry. Of course, comedian, actor. What's up, man? I'm doing excellent, sir. I see you have, you can buy, this is him without makeup on. You can buy these on his channel. That's what he look like. He didn't know that. He got tattoos.

I ain't got no problem selling them. That's right, baby. This man is great. It has been, of course. We're looking forward to this. Now, this is the second year. Were you here last year? No, I wasn't here last year.

This is my first year as the host, baby. Taking it to another level. Now, Jazz is, you know what? You know what? They didn't tell us what it was. They got gumbo juice. Right. They didn't tell us what it was. And so I know this is cranberry juice. That's gumbo. So I, you know what, you know what, they didn't tell us what it was. They got gumbo juice. Right, they didn't tell us what it was.

And so I know, this is cranberry juice. That's gumbo. So I don't know what, I don't know what these other juices are. You got a track infection or something? No, I don't know. You okay? I don't drink, so. Okay, okay.

I've never drank in my life. Never in your life? I go to the club, they're like, what you going to have? I'm like, cranberry juice. They're like, is there anything else in there? I'm like, yeah. When I used to see them outfits you wear, I used to think you was a drinker. I said, he must drink before he dress.

Wow. I have never drank in my life, ever. That's it. I mean, I drink a little bit. I mean, I'm just too tall. 6'6". I get goofy. I knock people over.

You stepped on my shoes, stupid. So I don't drink either. But here in Mexico, I'm drinking. Yes, I am. Because I am drinking a lot. So are you like most black people? Is it Hennessy or is it something else? It used to be Hennessy.

Now I'm old school. I do rum and coke. Why are you laughing? That's my mama drink. I know. I know. My mama is 72. Her drink has been rum and coke since I was 10.

No, listen. I went to a bar. You can tell I'm old school. I said, give me a rum and coke. The bartender said, I'm old school. I said, give me a rum and Coke. The bartender said, that's old school. I said, rum and Coke is old school? That's the only thing I know, rum and Coke. You meet a black woman who's over 55.

That's funny. You ain't got to guess her drink. These should be a comedian. I'm going to use that joke. I'm going to use that joke. No, but it's true. You a black woman 55? Baby, what you drinking?

No, I got it. You drinking rum and Coke. That is hilarious. That's so funny. OK, y'all you drinking? No, I got it. You drinking rum and coke. That is hilarious. That's so funny. Y'all can holler you. I said it. You're 55. What's your drink?

Rum and coke. Look at her. What is it? What's your drink? I'm a Mac from Oakland. She drank white liquor. Am I right? She drank white liquor.

What'd you say? Vodka cranberry. White liquor. I know that. I can tell. I can tell by the eyes. Here's the problem. The problem is, when Negroes with money are here. I know that. I can tell. I can tell by the eyes. Here's the problem. The problem is,

Negroes with money are here. Right, right. They get different. I'll take a vodka cranberry, please. You know, at home in Sacramento. Give me some Hennessy. This was a trip. Anyway, with no eyes.

Just straight up. Right, right. Woo! Exactly, exactly. I know. I'll take a little cranberry with a splash of lime, please. Thank you.

I'm from Sacramento. All right. Knowing full well. Knowing full well she's not. All right, let's talk about these printed pants. That's right. What's up with the... That's right.

Look at those pants. Are you going to war? What the hell? I mean, what the hell? I mean, what? You came to Mexico? You thinking the cartel's going to roll up on the beach? You thinking the cartels gonna roll up on the beach? But if the cartel

do roll up on the beach, I can blend in with nature. They won't even see me. I thought I was a big black man. Where did he go? They won't see the pants, but they see that bright-ass pile-on shirt.

That's all right. This shirt represents life. I like bright colors like you like bright colors. Yes, I do. Because bright colors give me life. Really, I really...

You see me a lot of times wearing a lot of bright colors because it gives me life. If I wear dark, I'm, you know, so I'm that type of person. I like bright. And I can wear it. Everybody can't wear it. Everybody can't wear it.

You can wear it, but you got to have that certain swag. We talked about that last night. When I first started Mr. Cooper, I used to wear an orange blazer. I had an orange blazer. I had all kind of bright blazers. But I love that. I love the colors. I love the colors.

I can do it because I got swag and I believe all kind of bright blazers. But I love that. I love the colors. I love the colors. I can do it, because I got swag and I believe, and I'm confident in myself. Well, see, that's what I try to tell people. Like, folks will see, like, once I went to Feather Pocket Square, bro's like, man, I couldn't do that. I said, first of all, I ain't never dressed for a dude. I'm like, so, I just want to let you know.

I like that. I like that. I like that. But this actually happened at the White House, so, yeah, I was a name drop, because your ass didn't get invited. So, we happened at the White House. So, yeah, I was a name drop because y'all didn't get invited. So we had the White House Christmas party, and I was wearing ascots. What did you have on the White House Christmas party, sir? Tell me. Oh, I had multiple. I'm trying to think what year.

I mean, I wore different colors. You're bragging that way. No, I mean, I'm— Yeah, I was there since Nixon. Right, I'm not saying. So— Watergate. So Watergate, I Paisley on doing Watergate. It was Watergate. I had some gators on. Oh, gators. Yeah. OK. OK.

But so Obama's Obama's I have the ass got on. So I got his feather pockets where he goes. Feather. Dog feather. Feather. I'm from Oakland. I deal with Phil Moslem. We never did feather in the past. Trust me. So, feather pocket square, Obama goes, Roland, really? He goes, first he asked God, but the feather pocket square? Now, while he's talking smack, Michelle's over there going, ooh, this is nice. I said, see,

this ain't for you. This is for her. He's like, man, come on, take this picture. The only way I wear feathers is my Beaver cap. I never wore a feather. If I show you the feather pocket square, you're going to be like, I'm come on, take this picture. The only way I wear feathers is my Beaver cap. No, no, no. I never wore a feather. If I show you the feather pocket square, you're going to be like, I'm going to pimp that right there.

Really? You know Secret Service was looking at you. Look at the black guy with the feathers on. What is he about? Guess what? The number two in the Secret Service, he was an alpha. Okay. See, people don't realize there are two forms of Secret Service.

There's uniform Secret Service, and there's a dude who wears suits. Most of the black Secret Service agents are uniform. So I go to the White House, yo, Ro, what up? Oh, they know you. Oh, yeah. Okay, see, look at that. See, man, you can't mess with this dude. No, I mean, look, here's the deal, though.

You know this. Anywhere you go in America, it's a 90% chance it's going to be black security guards. You good. You good. You right. You right. Black security, take care. Go on.

Go on now. Go on in there. Go on in there. I like your stuff. Go on in there. You right. You right. Yeah, we got that.

We got that connect. What is that called? What is that word? What is that called? That connection. That's a Roland Martin word with a brand new word. That's a straight. that's a black vibe. That's a black vibe.

Connected. I'm at the NBA All-Star Game in L.A. 2000, I wasn't playing. And we go to this party, and this young brother was like, it was L.A., it was L.A., 2011. I was there with Kevin Garnett, Gary Payton, and J.R. Ryder. I remember that one. You were there with Garrett the Glove, Gary Payton, and J.R. Ryder. I remember that one. You were there with Garrett the Glove.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I remember. This is a true story. And he's going to love it. J.R. Ryder bought a brand new Rolls Royce convertible, and he stopped in front of everybody and put the top down and drove off. Oh, that's Oakland. That's Oakland town business.

That's why his ass was out of the NBA, too. Broke as hell. Playing craps and shit on the side. You an NBA player, and your ass playing craps and shit on the side. You're an NBA player, and your ass playing craps in Oakland. Well, that's what we do in Oakland. That's why his ass was begging to get back in. He know everything.

When J.R. Ryder played in Minnesota Timberwolves, came to practice an hour and a half late, walked in, eating an egg sandwich, and Spudwell was like, what the hell is your ass doing? He was like, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. He know his stuff. Come on, now.

J.R., I was high as hell rider. That was his first practice. J.R., we just started right town business. So let me tell you, so we go in, so a young, it was two people, it was a sister and a young brother. He goes, sir, I need to see your wristband.

She was like, Mr. Martin, go on here. I keep telling these dumbass young people you need to learn how to watch TV. I'm sorry, Mr. Martin, you go right here with your wife. She said, I told you, you stupid ass, you need to learn how to watch TV. You know who the hell that is? That's Mr. Martin. That's the black news man. Dude, she was cussing him out.

That's right. Because he did ask me, where's my wristband? Because you are it. You represent us. You know that. You're the only show on television that represent us. Think about it. And we black.

We love you, man. We love you. There we go. But I'd rob you if I see you on this beach late night, straight up. Nigga, I'd straight up rob you. I know you got money. I know you got money. Them suits, he be having them expensive suits.

I'd straight up get on him. Don't turn around, homie. Don't turn around. I would give you a compliment. I love your show, but don't turn around. But see, the problem there is I got them other cats who watch me. Okay, so be it. I got them other bros who watch me who been in prison.

Oh, yeah. You got a lot of prisoners. The prisoners love you. Dude, I'm trying to tell you. I've had some... I had a brother, National Harbor Casino. This dude was like, Yo, Roland Martin! Dude, I fucks with you!

Y'all, he was yelling. And I'm going, I appreciate that. He's like, no, ask my girl. Ask my girl. I watch you all the time. I was kind of like, appreciate that. He's like, no, no, no. He go, anybody fuck with you, I watch you all the time. I was kind of like, appreciate that. He's like, no, no, no. He go, anybody fuck with you? I got you. The show called Unfiltered. I said what I

want to. And I went, I appreciate that. He said, no, you don't understand. So I thought he was about to raise his shirt up and show a gun. My man raised his shirt up. Y'all, it was scar tissue. His chest had been cracked open. He had been shot.

Yes. He was like, I got you. Well, maybe I won't be robbing him. I was just going to give him compliments, homeboys from prison. That's all I was going to say. Hey, man, I love your show. And walk off. I've had more brothers in prison like your man.

Your show was on? Yeah, my TV one show. In fact, this one brother, he's a pollster. He said his brother owns a limo service. He spent 20 years in prison. He said they took TV One off the cable system. They shut the prison down.

Said, no, no, no. We watch Roland Martin. Wow, I believe it. I was like, damn! I believe it. I believe it, man. We need you in the black community. Because we don't have anything like that. We really don't. We really ain't got nobody speaking for us. And you funny, but you deliver the point.

So we love you, man. That's how we got to do it. That's how we got to do it. All right, so let me ask you this question. I do an interview with you. Why you got to wear a white shirt? All the time I see you, all these bright African colors and all this. And your brother wear a white shirt.

Look like Frankie Beverly's road manager or something. Hey, that's right. Before I let go. Frankie my man. Matter of fact, he was vacationing here in Cabo a few weeks ago. Really? I talked to him. Yeah, he called me. He called you?

He told me, you know, yeah, I talked to him. He wanted me to do work on the album. I don't do albums. We know he lying because Maze ain't put a new album out in 30 damn years. Maze performed with a gap band in Dallas. Frankie was on stage. He said, we be working on a new album. The artist was like, ha, ha, ha.

Shut your ass up and sing Join Payne. No, Ju-Bu, he all right. Maze ain't got to do nothing new. He don't. You're right. They don't even get radio play. That's incredible. No, they don't need to.

Wow, that's incredible. Look, y'all see that big-ass stage right back there? Let me tell y'all something. Go to a Maze concert. Frankie move five feet to the left and five feet to the right. They don't move. They walking all around the damn stadium. You're going to have Maze coming to get you.

You got Maze outside. No, no, they know. There you go. They know. There you go. They know. That's right. Look, the funniest part is Frankie got 20 hats, 20 white hats. Oh, yeah. And I was backstage.

I said, Frankie, they all white. White. You couldn't bring 10? It's 20 white hats lined up. And his bodyguard says, oh, no, no. He'll try on each one to see the fit. I said, does his head change between shows?

That's right, but you know, he Frankie. We eccentric like that. When I perform, I have four different outfits, and which one that I put on works. I don't coordinate. John Weatherspoon, we love you, but I don which one that I put on works. See, I don't coordinate. John Weatherspoon, we love you.

But I don't coordinate. I put on all my clothes that fit and try them all on, and whether the colors match, and that's the way I do it. Okay, I understand. Okay. If you're going on the road, and you know how many nights your ass is going to be there, why are you bringing extra suits? Because you never know.

Because you ever do something and say, man, well, you don't do that. I may put something on and say, I don't look right. It look right at home, but it don't look right here. No, my shit look right at home. Yeah, because you got outfits. You got outfits. He got people making his outfits. He showed me.

I got five closets. Five closets? Right. I got one closet, which is all of my dress suits. I've got another closet, which with all of my dress suits. I've got another closet which has all of my linen suits. I've got another closet which has all of my gear, which is my Astros, Rockets, Texans, Texas A&M, Alpha stuff. Golden State Warriors.

We beat that ass last night. That's all right. Rockets did. We'll get you. We'll get you, Raiders. We'll get you next time. We beat that ass, too. That's okay.

You know the ass whoopings' we don't even talk about? Sure. We hand out ass whoopin'. That's all right. Yeah, Houston got you. I'm sorry. A's weren't even in the playoffs. That's all right.

We didn't want to be. We didn't want to be. You didn't want to be. We chose what we wanted. You think Westbrook going to work out? Y'all still playing money ball? That ain't going to work out. None of that going to work out.

This Westbrook coming to work right now. Westbrook be wearing crazy stuff like this. I'm Westbrook. How you doing? Actually, you look more like Cam Newton right now. No, this is Cam Newton right here. This is Cam Newton right here. I can't believe I lost.

This is ridiculous. I can't believe I lost. I don't know what the hell he was thinking. I don't know. He dressed like you, though. He got his cue from you yesterday. No, no, no. If he dressed like me, trust me, they wouldn't be trying to cut him.

They trying to cut him? No, they put him on injury reserve. Oh, yeah. His arm is— He should have seasoned out. He should have had the surgery, healed properly, but he tried to see it come back early. When he put this on, the NFL got mad at him.

They got mad at him when he did that. You cannot do this and do the NFL. They was looking at him. What if he ain't representing the NFL? That's why he out. It's like it's worse than kneeling. Anytime you wear a scarf to a press conference, he was the first one to ever wear a scarf.

And they said he had eyeliner on. I don't know. It was a little rough. It was a little rough. You mentioned John Witherspoon. We just lost John Witherspoon. I mean, if you want to take out every black comedian, everyone was at his funeral. We were all there.

John Witherspoon's special, it was like a Netflix special. Everybody was there. It was incredible. And it was, I'd never seen a funeral like that. But when I die, I don't want all these singers. Shante Moore. Shante Moore. Howard Hewitt.

You were there. Why the hell am I telling you who were there? Because you know everything. You know. I got invited, but I wasn't there. Look, he knew. I just know all them sad songs. When Jeffrey... Osbourne.

I thought he was going to say, Woo, woo, woo. And then Howard Hewitt. You can't have these dudes singing sad songs. It don't work. Okay, so if we had to plan your funeral right now, who will be the singers and what should they sing? I'm going to have Tushar singing.

Tushar is going to bust that out. Blow the whistle. Coming out. Boom. I want Houdini to come out and say, friends, how many of us have them? Let's be friends. I want Run DMC to come out. And then I want Patti LaBelle to come blow the speakers out.

I said, Patti, I don't care what song you do, just try to blow the speakers out. That's all I want. So no swag surfing? No swag surfing, no, none of that. And then at the funeral, I want somebody to shoot a pistol. Everybody run out. Just say, psych! Now, hold on.

You told me that was an after party. That was an after party. It wasn't a repass. It was an after party at John Witherspoon's funeral. It was incredible, hold on. You told me that was an after-party for John. That was an after-party. It wasn't a repass. It was an after-party at John Witherspoon's funeral. It was incredible, you guys. I went to his wife Angela. We walked in a Rolls-Royce parking lot, and people was partying. I mean, people was, like, jamming with drinks.

I was like, I was getting that little bit. How you doing, girl? You know, I know. Whoa, whoa. You know, I'm like, wow, it was incredible. I had never seen anything like this. But that's how it's supposed to be. Look, they gone. Like, my funeral, y'all better have a damn party. Because my ass always dancing.

Matt, I'm telling you right now, okay? It's going to be a bit. No, you can't. I can outdance you. Ladies and gentlemen, Roland Martin unfiltered. This is Mark Curry, and I can outdance him. That's right. Six foot six, old school player. Watch. I will outdance him. That's right. Six foot six old school player.

Watch. I will outdance Roland. We ain't doing... Watch. Mark. I'm just letting you know right now, Mark. Mark. Hashtag team whip that ass.

We'll be showing up. I'm just letting you know. We're going to see. We're going to let you know. I don't know if this is a comedian thing, because Earthquake be doing the same thing. Oh, you think you Jennifer Lewis doing a high kick? Look at that kick.

Look at that kick. Jennifer Lewis. Right. She does you think you Jennifer Lewis doing a high kick? Look at that kick. Jennifer Lewis. She does high kicks. Jennifer Lewis? Yes. Oh, okay, Jennifer Lewis. But her kick is higher. I thought you were talking about the lady singer Jennifer Holiday. Okay. Oh, you said Jennifer Holiday.

When you said Jennifer Holiday doing high kicks? Jennifer Holiday is a black woman who went to Booker T. Washington High School in Houston, where I'm from. I think I know Jennifer Holliday. Okay. And I'm telling you I'm not going. Jennifer Lewis is the black woman who's on Black-ish. Yes, I know, I know.

I know, I know. She was on Mr. Cooper, too. Right, but she can whoop your ass for not knowing who she was. No, no, I knew it, Jennifer. I thought you said, you know. How'd you thought I was saying Holliday when I said Lewis? You're talking about singing. I thought you were talking about singing.

Jennifer Lewis also sings. No, I know. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Lewis. I know Jennifer Holiday when I said Lewis? I thought you were talking about singing. I thought you were talking about singing. Jennifer Lewis also sings. No, I know Jennifer Lewis. I'm Mark Curry. She was on my show. She said, Mr. Cooper. Mr. Cooper, what are you doing, Mr. Cooper? And if I call her right now and say you lost her name, you know what she would say?

She would say, that motherfucker. Don't do that. Jennifer Lewis, I thought you were talking about Jennifer Holiday. You know I love you. Don't get me in trouble with her. No. Especially with her. I will call Jennifer.

She came to my show with Lynn Whitfield in New York. It was the most incredible thing. You know what? I was with Lynn Whitfield at Tally Perry Studios. I told Lynn point blank. I said, Lynn, I love you. I said, but ain't no dudes ever dating you. She's like, what?

I said, help her. A thin line between love and hate. Not only that, but she a real woman. She's the kind of woman, no, you're going to take me to our nice restaurant. We will have a Chianti. You got to be a... She said it. She said she didn't date for a while after a thin line between love and hate came out.

I believe that. I believe that because life imitates art. I told her, I said, you scared the shit out of every black man. I didn't date Halle Berry for those reasons. After I saw her with Eddie Murphy, I said, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. Just keep it going. That was the reason?

Yeah, that's the reason. I said, no. That's uh-uh. You remember, I was in Hollywood first. I seen them all. I seen them all. I seen them all. I seen them all. They came to me first. Uh-uh. No, no, no. No, no, no. You had first dibs.

First dibs on all of them. Excuse me. All of them. Think about it. I'm Mr. Cooper. I was there. Roland Martin unfiltered. They were not hanging with Mr. Cooper. They called the show Hanging for a reason. The show wasn't called Hanging with Mr. Cooper at first. After they shot that first episode,

Jesus Christ, this kid is hung like a horse. We got to change the name or something. Wow. I may... Last question. If you had to do a comedic battle, who

living would you want to battle? Battle? If it was... No. No battle. I'm creating some shit here. It's like when two singers go at each other. You're giving me trouble with these comedians.

No, I'm not. Okay, okay It's like when two singers go at each other. You're going to get me in trouble with these comedians. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, no, what it is, okay, okay. A couple of them, and I'm getting them. Who you got beef with? I ain't going to tell you. I ain't going to tell you, because I don't want it to get out. I know one.

Who? You told me last night. Oh, Jesus. Who was that? I can text it right now. Who was that? I got beef chicken. What you got?

No, no, no. But, no, no, no, no. But here's the other. It's sort of like, I asked Wayne Brady this. I said, Wayne Brady, who would you love to... Wayne Brady's not a comedian? No, he ain't a comedian. So what is he?

He's an entertainer. We're comedians, baby. We on the mic. We bust mics. Does he not use a microphone? No, but he's not a comedian. He's an entertainer. But he's a funny as hell entertainer But he's a funny as hell entertainer.

He's a funny as hell entertainer. Right. So in my talk, in my conversation with Wayne Brady, I said, who would you love to battle with? And he said, I would love to battle Jamie Foxx. He said, so basically, two mics... They both singing. They both singing. Let me do Prince as a cowboy.

Yeah. Okay, but if you, but if that was a battle, two people on stage, so you have two rappers if that was a battle, two people on stage, so you have two rappers who battle, you have battle rap, you have battle singers. If you had a battle comedian in terms of to kill the audience, who would you love to battle with who's living? Wow.

None of them. I'm being honest with you. I don't be arrogant, but I've been doing seven. None of them. They all know me. I know them, and I don't want to battle nobody, and I don't want to blow nobody out. Let me rephrase the question, obviously. Let me rephrase the question.

If there was, sort of like what Ed LeVert told me, he said that when they perform with the Temptations, he said they, he said the Temptations would hit that stage, and he said they would just fire them up to four tops as well. So is there a comedian, if you're on the same bill, who bring it, and you're like, okay, I'm going to take it to another level? All of them. All of them.

We do that every night. I do that every night, I'm sorry Not all of them, some of them ain't funny Well, you know what, I bring it every night I don't even want, I don't know That question is difficult for me to say Because I like everybody, I go out to everybody I go out and try to kill everybody

Not kill them, but they're my friends So that's a hard question, Roland, I'm sorry There has to be somebody Who you like. Yo, that person gets me to really say, to take it to another level. No. Everybody do.

Every time I step on stage, I try to take it to another level, no matter who is in front of me, straight up. I try to push it. I'm on tour right now with Mike Epps, and I just try to kill my I just try to do, stay in my lane and do what I need to do. I got this one for you. All right, so. And Richard Pryor

was the best. No, I'm saying if there was a comedian who was no longer with us. Richard Pryor. Whatever you say, Richard Pryor was the best. I opened up for him in 1993. I'm the only comedian to open up for Richard Pryor. So respect game. He the best. Ain't nobody else even come fucking close.

So woo woo woo. Forget that question. Don't even come close. I'm sorry. Did you open for him once or? Open for him one time. Mark Curry. And he sent you home? He sent me home. I'm just saying it was one time. That's all I needed.

Oh, I thought it was like a recurring thing. And then after one time, he was like, take your ass home, my girl. One time. But he picked game. I opened up for, people don't know this, for. Do you work here? Because you wiping this damn table down like you're the waiter. You know what?

I've got that ODC thing. It got to be. OCD. I'm ghetto. ODD. I got no. Black people don't get diagnosed with that. Black people, we don't have mental health.

We can't go to our doctor and say, I have multiple personalities. He gonna say, well, who coming to work? So I just, I have mental health. Open up for Bob Hope, too. People don't know that. Bob Hope? I'm a veteran in this game. You know, respect my game. Respect my name. Bob Hope. I was at Bob Hope? I'm a veteran in this game. You know, respect my game. Respect my name. Bob Hope.

I was at Bob Hope's house. Bob Hope. You open at his house? Well, you know, it was a Christmas special. It was a Christmas special that I did with Bob Hope. Hold up, hold up, hold up. Was it a Christmas special that was televised, or was it a Christmas party at Bob Hope's house?

And then he let your ass say a couple jokes to his friends and said, go back in the kitchen and wipe that goddamn table down. This is what Bob Hope said to me. It was a Christmas special. I did it at his house in Las Vegas, but the other Palm Springs. Yeah, Palm Springs. Palm Springs. Wait a minute.

He said to me, I was looking at his Christmas tree. He said, don't steal nothing. That's a true story. I just wanted to let you know the luminaries that I hang with. And what was your response when he said, don't steal nothing? I laughed. I laughed like I was the craziest thing in the world. I thought you were ghetto.

You said you were ghetto. Like, mother. No, I wouldn't do that. But I did steal some stuff. And when it was filming, I went in the bedroom and took a couple of tricklets. Hey, I still have them. Is it stealing if you still got them? Yes!

No, it's not. If you give it back, it's not stealing. I got... You had a wristband on. I got to give it back to you yesterday. When you was talking, you had two phones and I accidentally took one. So I want to get your phone back to you. Last night, he was telling me stories.

He was just about to talk it out. He leaving these iPhones out here. So that's the one you have. I got a third one. I know, I know, I know. And I got Google Pixel 4. What is that? It's a phone.

It's a Google phone. I got a kind of phone that you pay every month. Google gave it to me. I got a kind of phone you throw pay every month. Google gave it to me. I got a kind of phone you throw away. I'm ghetto. I take the chip and throw it away because I do illegal things. Right, right. You got burners.

How do you know about that? Easy. We watch Power. We're going to call your ass Ghost. Roland know everything. Roland is an encyclopedia for everything. Roland know everything. I love it.

I love it. The king of flip phones right here, y'all. That's right, baby. He say flip phones. Flip phones. Phones eroded the relationship between a man and a woman. Because back in the day, we used to get away with a lot of stuff now. But a phone, women, when you go to sleep, they on your phone.

They putting their phone up to your face, they doing, they plugging it into their computer, downloading, every chick who call him gonna call me. So the phone has destroyed us. No, no, see, that's why you just gotta, see, that's Tiger Woods who did not go to the player school, who failed

miserably. You're like, you don't leave your phone on the side and go take a shower. Well, he Tiger, he wear slacks every day. No, no, but you leave your phone on the side and go take a shower. He wears slacks every day. But you bring the phone into the shower. He wears slacks every day, and he did with white girls. He thinks them white girls, well, they're not going to... Sally's not going to look through there.

A sister's going to be on your phone. I think people who search if you're a man or a woman, you search the other person's phone, I think you're stupid. I agree. I agree. I really don't know. I don't give a damn what my wife's code is. I don't care. I could care less. Plus, I think it's stupid people say,

oh, I think you really love me if you give me the code to my phone. No, I think you dumb as hell. I think if your wife did something, then you're going to be checking. If she was gone until 12 o'clock tonight, where's your phone at? Nope.

Okay. You know why? Why? Because hell, that's happened before. Me too. She like, all right, I see when you get back. Right, right, right. Well, women, women listen to the background noise

when they talking to you. When they talking to you, they don't care what you saying. They listen to the background. The background better coincide to what you saying. So you at the funeral and they playing all the way up, have fun at the bitch's house, boom. That to what you saying. So you at the funeral, and they playing all the way up, have fun at the bitch's house. Boom. That's what they do.

That's why you need a noise reduction phone. A noise reduction phone? Yes. I ain't never had that one. What does that mean? It's a new one. You get one one day. All right, y'all.

We got to go. The sun, it's Diane over here. Diane, could you Diane even come over here? She's black. She's like, I ain't done my hair. I ain't done. I don't even worry about Diane. Diane. You know, Diane didn't come over here. She's black. She's like, I ain't done my hair. I ain't done. I don't even worry about it. All right, y'all.

So Diane Clark's in here, of course, the force behind Life Luxe Jazz Experience. We're looking forward to a great four days. Yes. Oh, my god. It's amazing. Everybody's so psyched. And we're so happy to have both of you two amazing people here.

I talked to him last night till 3 in the morning. I said, let me go to the bathroom just so I can go. Something about a golf challenge. Yeah. Him won none of this. Well, I don't know. Henry called me

and specifically said that they want you out on the field. Well, I know. I mean, his manager was talking trash in the airport. He's like, look, he's like, look, he said,

you can tell his ass old, too, because he said, look, I ain't accepting no pesos, no cash. I was like, I said, I said, look, I ain't accepting no pesos, no cash. I was like, I said, motherfucker, I got cash app. I was like, I'm sorry?

Bro, they're going to do a Netflix special. I got cash app. What the hell are you talking about? I said, I don't care around cash. Well, you know what? I'm going to whoop that ass tomorrow. All right, I'm going to whoop that ass. All right, right. What? EA Sports, though?

Because the damn show ain't gonna be the real thing. I'm just letting y'all know right now. I'm letting y'all know. I'm gonna whoop your ass like I whooped Buddy Lewis' ass. Buddy Lewis whooped my ass. And Chris whooped my ass. Fuck y'all. If Chris and Buddy beat you, you better sleep the hell in.

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