#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 12.10: Articles of impeachment against Trump; Harris V Stephen Miller; Tom Steyer and the Black vote

Episode Date: December 22, 2019

12.10.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Democrats file articles of impeachment against Donald Trump; Sen. Kamala Harris and others call for Trump adviser Stephen Miller to be fired; Tom Steyer vies for Black male votes in South Carolina; Haitian leaders seek help as their country is in crisis; African Americans are the only group making less than they did 10 years ago; Bill Cosby's appeal has been denied #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Ebony Foundation | Home by the Holiday Home by the Holiday aims to reunite Black and Latino families separated by bail, while challenging racial injustice and mass incarceration. For more info visit https://www.homebytheholiday.com/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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by investigating one of his rivals will tell you about the articles of impeachment. Only the third time in American history that the House is actually pursuing these articles. A group of senators led by Kamala Harris is calling on Trump to fire his senior advisor, Stephen Miller, for being a racist. Also, billionaire Tom Steyer is going for the black male vote in South Carolina. Overall, though, he's placing now third among black voters. We'll talk with Associated Press reporter Meg Kennard to find out what's happening in the Palmetto State.

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You know he's fresh, he's real, the best You know he's rolling, Martin Martin House Democrats introduced two articles of impeachment today against Donald Trump alleging abuse of power and obstruction of Congress regarding his interactions with Ukraine. Here is today's announcement. Over the last several months, the investigative committees of the House have been engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump's efforts to solicit foreign interference in the

2020 elections. Efforts that compromised our national security and threatened the integrity of our elections. Throughout this inquiry, he has attempted to conceal the evidence from Congress and from the American people. Our president holds the ultimate public trust. When he betrays that trust and puts himself before country, he endangers the Constitution, he endangers our democracy, and he endangers our national security. The framers of the Constitution prescribed a clear remedy for Presidents who so violate

their oath of office. That is the power of impeachment. Today, in service to our duty to the Constitution and to our country, the House Committee on the Judiciary is introducing two articles of impeachment charging the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, with committing high crimes and misdemeanors. The first article is for abuse of power. It is an impeachable offense for the President to exercise the powers of his public office to obtain an improper personal benefit while ignoring or injuring the national interest. That is exactly what President Trump did when he solicited and pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 presidential election, thus damaging our national security,

undermining the integrity of the next election and violating his oath to the American people. These actions, moreover, are consistent with President Trump's previous invitations of foreign interference in our 2016 presidential election. And when he was caught, when the House investigated and opened an impeachment inquiry, President Trump engaged in unprecedented categorical and indiscriminate defiance of the impeachment inquiry. This gives rise to the second article of impeachment for obstruction of Congress. Here too we see a familiar pattern in President Trump's misconduct. A president who declares himself above accountability, above the American people, and above Congress's

power of impeachment, which is meant to protect against threats to our democratic institutions, is a president who sees himself as above the law. We must be clear. No one, not even the president, is above the law. Now, some would argue, why don't you just wait? Why don't you just wait until you get these witnesses the White House refuses to produce? Why don't you just wait until you get the documents the White House refuses to turn over? And people should understand what that argument really means. It has taken us eight months to get a lower court ruling that Don McGahn has no absolute right to defy Congress. Eight months

for one court decision. If it takes us another eight months to get a second court or maybe a Supreme Court decision, people need to understand that is not the end of the process. It comes back to us and we ask questions because he no longer has absolute immunity and then he claims something else, that his answers are privileged and we have to go back to court for another eight or 16 months. The argument, why don't you just wait, amounts to this. Why don't you just let him cheat in one more election? Why not let him cheat just one more time? Why not let him have foreign help just one more time?

That is what that argument amounts to. The President's misconduct goes to the heart of whether we can conduct a free and fair election in 2020. It is bad enough for a candidate to invite foreign interference in our political process, but it is far more corrosive for a President to do so and to abuse his power to make it so. Despite everything we have uncovered, the president's misconduct continues to this day, unapologetically and right now. As we saw when he stood on the White House lawn and he was asked, what did you want in

that July 25th call? And he said the answer was a simple one. And not just a simple one on July 25th, but a simple one today. And that is he still wants Ukraine to interfere in our election to help his campaign. Joining us right now, Mustafa Santiago Ali, former senior advisor for the Environmental Justice, EPA.

Also, Kelly Bethea, communications strategist, and Malik Abdul, Republican strategist. Mustafa, I'll start with you. Here's a president who has consistently lied to the American people. Some 14,000 lies that he has told. He lies about lies. He has lied about the transcript. He said, read the transcript.

But they actually didn't release the actual transcript. Even in what was released, you hear him trying to hear them investigate Biden. But I would say the biggest thing is this is a man who refuses to be held accountable. He believes that he can do whatever he wants to do. He has said anybody has immunity. Even Corey Lewandowski, who has never even worked for the White House.

I don't know how you can exert a privilege for somebody who's never even worked for the White House. I don't know how you can exert a privilege for somebody who's never even worked for your administration. He has refused to comply any subpoenas with Congress on any issue, not just Ukraine, not just Russia, but not just when it comes to taxes, on anything. What he has basically said is, y'all have absolutely no right to question me whatsoever. Democrats have no choice but to hold us accountable. Yeah, it's a gangster mentality. It's a privileged mentality. It's all those things wrapped up where, you know, and that's the reason they're hitting them now with obstruction of Congress and the abuse of power. And, you know, what's amazing, Roland, is that I spent 24 years in federal service.

I engaged with folks in and outside of our country. And if myself or anyone else had participated in this type of behavior, we would have been fired. You know, when we ran the grant programs and the contracts, and if I reached over to somebody who was expecting to get paid for something and said, you know what, I need you to do me a favor, I would have been fired. And those are the types of things that folks need

to really be focusing on because if you were an everyday person, this would not be acceptable. So you are the leader of our country. There's no way that this should ever be acceptable. Kelly, he has said repeatedly, I can do what I want to do. Donald Trump does not believe that the that the that the Congressional Congress that they should oversee anything that he does. Yeah so I think I touched on this a little bit last week in that in order for our government to work, all three branches of government actually have to respect each other. And right now, the executive branch is just not respecting the other two branches of government, which is why

it's a mess. The reason why these articles of impeachment were administered as opposed to the other things that we've been hearing for the past, what, two, three months, quid pro quo, obstruction, things of that nature. I think it was more along the line, the reasoning was more along the lines of, what can we prove now without, you know, further interference from the White House,

a branch of government that is not respecting the legislation. I also want people to remember that this is an indictment. We still have another step to go regarding the Senate, and that's when, honestly, the determining factor as to whether he's actually going to be removed from office is going to be coming from the Senate. So impeachment articles, great, great first step. But I'm anticipating some more hurdles down the line, especially when it comes on the Senate side. Malik, how can the Trump administration call this process unconstitutional when it's literally written in the Constitution.

Second of all, second question, how can you completely ignore Congress on any issue to say we will answer, we will ignore any subpoena, I will extend executive privilege to cover anybody, including folks who have never even worked for the government. And so therefore, Congress, you have absolutely no right. The law even says that the law says that if Congress requests the taxes of the tax returns of any American, the IRS turn them over. Trump says, not me, I'm above the law. So at what point, at what point does he get the message

that he is not above the law? Well, I don't think that, you know, Trump can say, and his, you know, we all can say, people who support him, we can say whatever we want about what the Constitution allows. This is a constitutional process. It shouldn't be any surprise that the president is critical of a process that's critical

or investigating him. I think that... No, no, but he says it's totally unconstitutional. Well, of course, Trump is going to say things like that. So he's lying. Well, Trump is going to say things like that and he will always say things like that. No, no, I'm asking you. Is he? When Donald Trump says... It's not, from everything that I've read, that there is

nothing unconstitutional about this process. Right, because it's constitutional. I mean, the Constitution allows for, it lays out a process where a president can be impeached. And if impeached, it goes for trial in the Senate. I mean, it's right there in the document. Yeah, it does. You know, you had raised the point about whether or not this is something that, you know, how can a president just totally ignore, you know, congressional subpoenas and things like that. I think we probably saw in the case with Barack Obama, the Fast and Furious case, where his administration refused to turn over documents. Actually, that's not what I said.

That's not what I said. But that's that's actually that's not what I said. You said what I said was, how can a president refuse to comply with a congressional subpoena? No, with any subpoena. OK, on any topic, on any request. Well, I don't know what what you're using to gauge that on any request. I'm sorry. But if you but if our if the audience would like to know whether or not this is something that administrations have done in the past, then we would have to say yes because the Barack Obama administration just did that. Show me where the Obama administration refused to turn over documents regarding the Fast and Furious case.

One second. Show me where the Obama administration on multiple investigations, multiple investigations. Well, I don't have those multiple instances, but I have one that a federal judge actually... No, no, but actually, that's what I said, though. So if you're gonna say what I said, that's what I said. Well, it's important to talk about what the federal judge actually ruled

as far as the Obama administration, where it forced the administration to turn over those Fast and Furious documents. Did they? Yes, they did, after... But here's my question. They did, after the federal judge... Does the law state. Does the law state that if Congress requests the tax records of any American, they must be turned over?

I think the law does say that. And Trump has said, I'm above the law. I'm not turning them over. But I don't know. Did a court rule on whether or not he was supposed to turn over? But there's a law already. So why do you need a court to rule if there's already a law? Well, because it's the same reason that we're actually, the

conversation about John Bolton. Remember, people are, you know, pulling their hair out saying that John Bolton actually refused to testify. What John Bolton said, what he asked was, he asked a federal judge to issue a ruling on whether or not he could testify, and that's where we are now. So what they're trying to do is say, fine, a federal judge must tell us. So basically what they're saying is we want a federal judge to tell us we must comply with the law. Well, isn't that what they have the right to do? I think that's actually what— Even though the law is already the law.

If you remember what Jonathan Turley was referring to last week, and he was talking about the process, the actual White House, you know, they have every right to go to the court to get clarification on this issue of executive privilege. So you're saying that in a case of executive privilege, how can the White House assert executive privilege for somebody who's never even worked for the White House? Well, the federal judge who issued the ruling on McGahn...

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. McGahn was a White House counsel. Right. I'm talking about Corey Lewandowski, who has never worked for the White House. How can Donald Trump assert that I can extend privilege to anybody? Well, I don't know.

What he's literally saying is that if Malik is get called... If you get called to Congress, if you get called to Congress, if you get called before Congress about a conversation you had with Trump, Trump is saying, no, executive privilege. Well, Corleone Dowdy wasn't connected to this case, so I don't- No, no, no, no, no. Corleone Dowdy, when he went before Congress, Donald Trump said, sent White House lawyers

who sat behind him. Tell me if I'm wrong, Mustafa. You're right. Sat behind him and said he cannot answer any questions about any conversation with Donald Trump because Donald Trump has asserted executive privilege.

How do you assert executive privilege for somebody who's never worked for you? So you're saying that Corey Lewandowski actually showed up for the hearing? When Corey Lewandowski showed up, Corey Lewandowski said, oh, I can't talk about that because the White House asserted executive privilege.

Well, that still seems like something that a court should actually decide, which is the point. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait a minute. Hold up, Mustafa. How does a court decide that, oh, this applies when he's never worked for the White House? Okay, but my point still about when I was mentioning Don McGahn,

what the court ruled is that the Trump administration does not have blanket immunity. No, no, no, no. But that's my whole point. I get that one point about Cori Landowski. Hold up, hold up, hold up. You go into court for a guy who worked for you is one thing. But to assert executive privilege, Mustafa, for somebody who never even worked for you, shows you how much, how thuggish they are in terms of, we don't have to answer, Jack.

We will do what we want to do. Right. This is unprecedented. I mean, in the five presidents that I worked for before, no one ever tried anything like this. And that's the reason that they're finding themselves in the situation that they are. Now, the point is that the folks in the Senate have to actually do the right thing. And we, the people, have to get engaged in this process. I'm still amazed

that we have marches for everything. We have marches for the environment, which is important. We have marches for gun violence, which is important. We've got to have people out here actually marching for our democracy. And there should be millions of people in the street when this moves to the Senate to say that we are going to hold you accountable if you do not do the right thing. And that's how we hold them accountable in the White House for this rogue administration. And I don't throw that word around loosely based upon the actions that they've been moving forward on and how they've been approaching the law. They have no respect for the law. Now they'll utilize, they'll try and utilize the law. And that's the real deal here. They don't have respect for the law. To sit here in the middle of this whole deal

and it is undeniable that they want Ukraine and held up this relief, this money to Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and to have Trump's thuggish lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, still going to Ukraine.

He's there now. Bottom line is, they don't care. And the reality is, the founders set this up specifically for a person like Trump. For somebody who ignores and flouts the law to say the only way to hold them accountable is the impeachment process. But my...

What's funny to me with this entire situation is even coming out of trump's camp no one's denying what actually happened no one in his camp is saying that phone call didn't exist no one in his camp is saying any of those things they're just like so what right so what so and and to uh mellick's point regarding the Obama administration, Fast and Furious, even with that whole debacle, the Obama administration still abide by the law. Yes, they exercise their right to go to a court. Keep in mind, Obama was a constitutional lawyer before he became president. He's a constitutional law professor. Like his entire career outside of community organizing was rooted in constitutional law. So he knew what he was doing. And there was a question regarding whether that was constitutional that he had to overturn it. Whether that ruling was good or not is debatable. But the fact of the matter is he still listened to the court. And after the court gave their ruling, he did what the court said to do.

So, again, back to my earlier point of three branches of the government respecting each other in order for this democracy to work. The Obama administration did that, regardless of whether, you know, you feel like he made mistakes in his administration. He still abided by the law, and he upheld the Constitution thoroughly through all eight years of his presidency. Well, what Obama did, and you, yes, Obama did, his administration did turn over those documents. But he did that, I think it was probably about after three years, which is when the federal judge made the ruling, forcing them to turn over the documents. So yes, the Obama administration did turn over those documents years after Congress had subpoenaed them. Because that's how long it took for a

ruling to come down. Which connects to my point that I'm making, that the Trump administration, they have every right. But the court said, hand over the documents. I ask this question real simple, Melody. Melody, this is real simple. Did Donald Trump ask Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden? It sounds like he did. And there was nothing perfect about the call that Donald Trump had.

And was that wrong? Yeah. And why are Republicans though unwilling to own up to that? Why do they act like it's no big deal? Is it wrong for a president to ask a foreign entity for help in investigating a political rival? Yes, it is. The question is whether or not that's something that should be impeachable. Well, no.

First of all, the Constitution defines that Congress, the House, determines that. And can they, that a misdemeanor or... High crimes of misdemeanor. It could be anything that they actually say that it is. Right. But you admit what he did was wrong. Well, I've always said that the president shouldn't have actually made that act. Right. But this is a lot of Republicans, though, don't even want to own up to that. Well, we know how politics works. So whether it's Donald Trump or any other president, the question before the American people is whether or not we're moving towards this in the Senate.

My answer is I'm pretty sure that that's not going to happen. But as we're seeing with the polls in all of the battleground states, that the fervor, the interest, the support for impeachment is actually declining in those battleground states that the fervor, the interest, the support for impeachment is actually declining in those battleground states. As far as the Democrats are concerned- Here's the piece. Last time I checked, when I read the Constitution, it says nothing about battleground states. What it says is that- But that's a political process, though. One second, one second. Impeachment is a political process.

What it says is that how do you hold the president accountable? And I dare say this here. If you are a Democrat or Republican, what you should not do is say, I'm going to take an action based upon what a poll says. What I'm going to do is not... One second, excuse me. What I'm going to say is I'm going to take an action based upon what is right, what is fair, and is just. And because each person, when they are sworn in,

they put their hand on the Bible or whatever they want to put their hand on to say, I swear to uphold and protect the Constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic. And the reality is, if you are an individual, whether you're a federal judge, whether you're a House member, a Senate member, or the President of the United States,

if you are doing things that go against the Constitution of this United States, then there are going to be repercussions. And that is the case here, and that's where it should be. And there should be Republicans who are looking at this from a country standpoint, not a party standpoint. Final comment before I go to this female story.

Well, we do know that this is a total political process. And so what Democrats probably should have done, and I've said this before, Final comment before I go to the Steve Miller story. This is a total political process. And so what Democrats probably should have done, and I said this before, is that they probably should have moved towards censure, and they probably could have had more Republicans and even those Democrats who are, there's questionable whether or not you're going to have those Democrats come on to support it. I honestly think that, yes, they're absolutely going to impeach the president of the House. That has been the plan since day one, before he even took office, of making him a one-term president. And so as far as the party, the Democratic Party, and, you know, catering to that base who wants Trump to be kicked out of office,

I think that they've got to—this is a slam dunk for them. Mustafa, go ahead. I was just going to say, let's remember when President Obama came in and leadership on the Senate side said we're going to do everything we can to stop him and to make sure that he is a wanted president. On the night of his inauguration. That wasn't on the night of his inauguration. Actually, it was. No, it wasn't. We've been through this on your show before.

But they said it. But they did say it. We've been through this on your show before, Roland. Actually, it was. And that's just factually incorrect. So we wasn't next day? I think that probably was referring to, was it September? It was the fall of that year.

No, it just wasn't, bro. It just wasn't. I just, I want people to disabuse the notion that we need to keep referring to Obama during a Trump era. But you have to. No, you don't. Actually, you don't. No, you don't.

Kelly, here's your point. Go ahead. First of all, you kind of can't compare Trump to the Obama administration because Trump hasn't done anything remotely parallel. They're still presidents, though. Okay, so that's like... No. Actually, Kelly, if you want to compare Trump to anybody, you compare him to Nixon, you compare him to Clinton, you compare him to Andrew Johnson. And that is the three other presidents where you had either a formal impeachment process or an impeachment inquiry. That's the deal. But you cannot compare to Obama because Obama wasn't impeached, wasn't

nothing even close to getting impeached. But the reality is, but he obstructed Congress, though. But this president... Who obstructed? It's nonsense. Finish your point. Well, he... Well, facts don't lie. Finish your point, Kelly. Facts don't lie. Kelly, finish your point. Hmm. Trump is not Obama.

We are not in the era of Obama anymore, unfortunately. We're not even in an era of Obama that we actually will be proud of at the end of the day we are in a Trump era and like you said we can't compare him to Obama because Obama never did anything to this level that rose to the level of impeachment Trump has Obama didn't obstruct Congress Trump did Obama didn't go over to Ukraine what That's what it does say. Go ahead and finish. Obama didn't do any of the things that Republicans

are denying that Trump actually did. So we can't draw those parallels because they don't exist. That's my point. Alright folks, I want to go to this next story. Senator Kamala Harris led 26 of her colleagues in a letter sent to Donald Trump

demanding the immediate removal of Stephen Miller from his position as a White House senior advisor. The letter reads, Dear Mr. President, we write to demand the immediate removal of Stephen Miller as your advisor. Recent reports confirm that he advanced white nationalist anti-immigrant ideologies. Continuing to employ him as a senior architect of your immigration policies ensures that those policies discriminate against individuals of color to advance white nationalist ideals.

He must be removed. According to over 900 recently published emails dated March 4th, 2015 to June 27th, 2016, Mr. Miller, who was an aide to Senator Jeff Sessions at the time, actively pressured editors and writers at for-right website Breitbart to publish white nationalist articles. He drew his source material from known far-right websites

peddling conspiracy theories, including VDARE and Infowars. When Pope Francis called for the United States to welcome immigrants, Mr. Miller proposed a story on the Camp of the Saints, an overwhelmingly racist white genocide-themed novel detailing an immigrant invasion designed to wipe out the white race. The book dehumanizes immigrants by, among other things, painting them as physically grotesque. It is simply appalling that a senior advisor to

the president advanced parallels between this book and contemporary events. Alarmingly, this was not an isolated incident. Rather, it is just one of a myriad highly disturbing communications. After a white nationalist killed nine African Americans during Bible study at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, Mr. Miller sought to protect Confederate iconography by targeting online shopping platforms that stopped selling Confederate flags. His emails regularly utilize verbiage commonly associated with the white nationalist movement, including the phrases, great replacement and new America. Mr. Miller's demonstrable white nationalist ideology has been directly translated into

your administration's policies, which have been widely criticized for systematically targeting communities of color. The Muslim ban targeted individuals of color and caused chaos at U.S. airports around the country, wreaking havoc on the lives of countless individuals and families. The family separation policy tore children from their families, resulting in widely reported mistreatment and human rights abuses of immigrants in detention facilities nationwide. The rescission of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, DACA, has thrown the lives of hundreds of thousands of DREAMers into chaos and instability. Mr. Miller has also reportedly advanced your administration's efforts to slash refugee admissions, limit asylum access for vulnerable populations,

prevent extensions of temporary protection status to those granted safety from humanitarian crisis abroad, and disqualify immigrants who use public resources from receiving certain immigration benefits and there are other issues that are in this email so melek the fact that these emails show stephen miller quoting white supremacist uh journals is it time for him to go i doubt very seriously that the trump administration will listen to anything that's not what i asked i'm asking you your position, not them. Is it time for Stephen Miller to go? Based upon the revelation of these emails showing

his white nationalist ties language and what he used. Well, this is now the third time that we've had this discussion on your show, and my response is pretty much the same, is that Stephen Miller will have to answer for those comments himself. No, I'm asking you. I'm asking you

as somebody who's a Republican. The emails, first of all... My response has nothing to do with whether or not I'm a Republican. I would say the same thing if I were a Democrat. Do you believe that based upon the email Stephen Miller sent

where he is quoting white nationalist websites, white nationalist books, that he should remain as senior advisor to Donald Trump? Based on that one specific incident? No, but I do believe that... But it's 900 specific incidents. But I do believe... There were 900 emails, Malik.

So how is it one incident? Well, if I were allowed to finish, you probably would have heard. No, but you said one incident. Well, I said based on that one incident, I would say no. But I do believe that Stephen Miller has been a distraction, much like Rudy Giuliani. I believe that he's been a distraction to the president. And it's a very good likelihood that he will not make it a second term with Donald Trump. But I'm asking you again for the third time.

Do you believe, based upon the And I said, based on... ...revelations of these 900 emails... I said, based on... ...that he should be dismissed as senior advisor to Trump? And to repeat myself, I said, based on that one incident alone, no. What one incident? What are you... What one incident are you just...

There are 900 emails, Malik! But we're talking about the emails that... That's not one incident! If you sent 900 emails, that's 900 incidents. I think that there is a culmination of things that Stephen Miller has done that have been a distraction to the president. I'm asking you

for the fourth time. Not just the 900... Do you believe that... So do you want me to agree with 900 instances of it? It's either yes or no. Do you believe that Stephen Miller should be dismissed as senior advisor to Trump, yes or no? And as I said, based on this incident

where we're talking about the emails, no. I mean, that's not a secret. Kelly. Could you imagine if Valerie Jarrett, one of Obama's top senior advisors, did anything remotely? Why are we talking about Valerie Jarrett?

She's not the. Because you just spent the last 20 minutes comparing Trump to Obama. Oh, so now we can talk about Valerie Jarrett. No, but 900 emails. I've got to figure out how there's one incident. 900 emails where he is quoting white nationalist websites. He's using white nationalist language. And he's talking about that particular book.

That ain't one incident. It's 900. And 900 of those incidents were woven into policies that Trump has executed, policies that Miller either has conceptualized with Trump or influenced Trump on. The point of an advisor is to advise for the benefit of the entire American community, like everybody, black, white, brown, indifferent, straight, gay, what have you. Clearly, he's not doing that.

Clearly, these policies that Trump has put in place that have been inspired by Miller are racist, prejudiced, discriminatory, and very, very fine line on illegal. Like, whether it's actually illegal or not, I have to do my research on that, but at the very least, it's immoral. Mustafa, it clearly, Stephen Miller is a white nationalist and a racist. Without a

doubt, but let's talk about the process, because I've been through the process before. So you have, and I've been through background checks, so they it out, but let's talk about the process, because I've been through the process before. So you have, and I've been through background checks. So they go out, they talk to all kinds of people, they do all kinds of research on you, and then they bring a file. And they put that file in front of folks, and then people have to make a decision if you are in alignment with the administration, if you're in alignment with a president. That's point one. Point two, President Trump has let go dozens of folks who he felt were not in alignment

with where he wanted to go. So, for me, then that tells me that this individual is in alignment with where he has to go, or he would have been one of those folks who have been let go as well. Right, and that's Donald Trump saying, I'm perfectly fine with a senior advisor

quoting white nationalist publications, white nationalist books, using white nationalist language. Like, silence speaks. That's the thing. Silence is loud. And when you, as president, are not chastising your senior advisor over 900 emails that are clearly racist, that says something about you.

We don't know the conversation that he's actually having with you. We know nothing. Is he still employed there? Here's the piece. If he's still employed there, clearly Trump's cool with it. So clearly I don't get to finish my points because you guys just jumped in to what I'm saying. But if I can't get the point out, though.

I'll ask you, Malik. Is Stephen Miller still there? Yeah, he's still there. Is he still employed there? Yeah, he still is. Yeah, I thought so. But we don't know the point out, though... I'll ask you, Malik. Is Stephen Miller still there? Yeah, he's still... Is he still employed there? Yeah, he still is. Yeah, I thought so. But we don't know the conversations that Stephen Miller... that Donald Trump has had with Stephen Miller.

We simply don't know that. But what I am happy... Has Donald Trump... But what I am... I'll ask you. Has Donald Trump come out and condemned these emails? No, not that I know of. Has Donald Trump come out and said

what Stephen Miller wrote was wrong? Not that I know of. Has Donald Trump come out and say it was wrong for Stephen Miller to pressure Breitbart? Not that I know of. Has Donald Trump come out and say it was wrong for Stephen Miller to pressure Breitbart? Not that I know of. And I don't expect him to actually make... But he fired his chief of staff who was actually getting him on the straight and narrow.

The point is... He fired the people who actually do something to try and preserve the integrity of that administration. We can have our issues with Stephen Miller. We can think that he's the white supremacist king. That's fine. But as far as what this administration has been delivering on behalf of black people, I'm actually satisfied

with that. So Stephen Miller can do whatever he wants to do. So you're perfectly fine with a racist, a white supremacist being in the White House as long as what? You think something happens? It's an entire administration that we're talking about here, not one specific person.

All right. And the Trump administration has been delivering on behalf of black people. Yeah. Even with Steve. Right there. Right. Those are actual facts. Right.

Document. Right. I know it doesn't fit with your policy. No, actually, actually. Those are actually not delivering document. Not delivering. Well, yes, they are. Actually, they're not.

Well, they are. They're not. You just you just don't think that they're not. Well, you are. They're not. You just don't think that they are. No, no, actually, they're not. Well, you just don't. I've actually broken it down. You just, well, of course, I know that you've broken it down. But again, though, what you're trying to do. No, I'm just telling you about the facts of the administration.

You want to chase the rabbit down the foxhole. That's not. And get away from Stephen Miller being a white supremacist. And what I've said about Stephen Miller. And the reality is, that's what he is. You don't accept it. And, of course, you're going to go on to some other subject. He may be.

But I'm happy of what this, how black people are making progress under this administration. What I don't have a problem with is that black people have been benefiting under this administration. That's what I don't have a problem with. I'm sure black people benefited under the racist Herbert Hoover and benefited under Woodrow Wilson. They benefited under Obama too. But you know what? Guess what? Don't call a racist out because, Melick says, you know what? You might benefit. Alright, folks.

Let's talk about what's happening in South Carolina. On his visit to Columbia, South Carolina, billionaire presidential candidate Tom Starr, a single out-of-target audience, black men. This is what he had to say. 75% of African Americans are in favor of reparations. Reparations for slavery and reparations for that which has come after slavery. All of those things that have kept us as a second class position, second class citizenship,

and unequal justice, unequal wealth, and all. A lot of Camels, a lot of Camels have shied away from the last period of time. So what we would like to know from you, sir, is how do you stand on the issue of reparations? So let me start by giving a simple answer, which is I'm for reparations. Woo! start by giving a simple answer, which is, I'm for a revolution. And let's talk about what that really means. Because in the United States, we've never really been willing to face the truth, as John says, not just of the hundreds of years of enslavement.

We've never really been willing to face the truth about the hundred years of Jim Crow. And so there's a history here that's been denial of the truth for literally 400 years. So when I think, look, I started the Need to Impeach movement because I believe Mr. Trump is a bad guy. I think he's a criminal. Look, I started the Need to Peace movement because I believe Mr. Trump is a bad guy. Yes. I think he's a criminal. So, the reason I'm running for president is this reason. We have a broken government in Washington, D.C.

You know, and my opinion is, the reason we have a broken government is the corporation is bottomed. If you look at the problems we're having, somebody is profiting from it. We think it's terrible, but somebody's making a ton of money. You guys are paying really high drug prices to somebody. They like it. You know, if you look at this gun violence issue, nine, but the NRA is run by the gun manufacturers they follow the money through the NRA and that's why we can't get any kind of gun you know sensible gun safety legislation it's you know if you go if you look at climate change look I it's an issue that I've worried about for over a decade.

I've worked on and fought the oil companies on it, and fought the utilities on it. But there's a reason we're not dealing with this. We can have cheaper energy, we can be healthier, we can create millions of good paying jobs in every community in the United States. But it's bad for oil companies and natural gas companies and coal companies. And they are winning. First, why did you choose Clinton College today? Well, I think that we wanted to be an HBCU. And I think that we were trying to have a place where representatives from the African-American community in North and South Carolina could come.

I think I'm a progressive who's traveled this country full-time for seven years talking to Americans the way I did tonight. That's completely different. Also, he's a failed businessman. He's a fake businessman. Actually, I'm a successful businessman. It's completely different. One of the reasons I think I should be the candidate is I think in order to win, we're going to have to take trump on and show him for the fake he was as a businessman and the fake he is as the president that his supposed economic successes were actually huge failures that he's a fraud and that we have to

take him down and i'm the person who has by far the most experience in business and international business and economics in terms of all the families. All right folks joining me right now is Meg Kennard. She's the AP politics reporter. Meg glad to have you here in South Carolina. First of all today Steyer unveiled his HBCU plan 125 billion bucks but the big issue is that he's actually running third among African Americans. What is happening in South Carolina? Hey, Roland, it's always good to be with you. It does seem that Tom Steyer is starting to resonate with voters here in South Carolina. As you well know, as your viewers well know, this is the first place in the primary calendar where black voters really have a significant voice. They comprise most of the Democratic electorate here.

So, you know, Tom Steyer's been on TV for months at this point, well before he even became an official candidate. He's been running his need to impeach TV ads. And when I go out and I'm asking voters, hey, you know, who are in your top three? And if they mention Tom Steyer, a lot of the time they're telling me, I've been seeing him on TV for a long time. And now he's coming to South Carolina and he's speaking to issues that matter to me. He's talking about economic justice. He's talking about climate change and how there are issues going on with that in their communities. So what I hear from voters is they're interested in learning more about Tom Steyer.

Let's keep in mind, you know, no one poll is going to tell us exactly what's going to happen. But there's a survey that came out recently that shows Tom Steyer polling third here in South Carolina with numbers among black voters that are higher than many of the other candidates who've been in this race for much longer have ever attained, more than Cory Booker and Kamala Harris put together among black voters. But the difference here is that what you say at the outset. It's money. Tom Steyer poured some 10 to $12 million of his own money into national ads saying impeach Trump.

Then he gets in the race and he is now, now of course he would be leading if Michael Bloomberg had not jumped in, but he has spent more than 50 million bucks on TV ads. At the end of the day, he's inundating people. I saw one story where in Iowa and New Hampshire, they actually were getting sick of his ads because they were running so many. He is committed to spending, I think the last number I saw was,

is up to $100 million of his own money on TV ads and on these digital ads that people are seeing everywhere. I think he's spent more than twice some of his closest competitors when it comes to television and certainly millions more on digital advertising. So you're right, there has been an influx in the market of all these Tom Steyer ads that other candidates simply can't afford. A lot of that does come from being able to spend his own money and to spend it how he wants.

But it certainly seems that at least some of the voters I talked to, what he's saying, they like it and they want to know some more. But the piece we have is here. The reality is if you look at most of these candidates, the resources they have, they're going into Iowa and New Hampshire. And after Iowa is when you begin to see the shift of more resources into South Carolina. We know that Joe Biden is leading overall. Do you think that based upon what you're seeing is that you're likely going to see where Sanders or even Elizabeth Warren will still be in a strong position

because they'll be shifting to South Carolina, whereas if you're Steyer, bottom line is you're not making a real dent in Iowa and New Hampshire, so you got to go somewhere. It's a good question, but Tom Steyer at this point is already also on the ground with staff and resources in five of the states at least that vote on Super Tuesday. So he already has his viewpoint shifted to the states that come quickly after South Carolina. I do think that depending on what happens in these early states, certainly Iowa and then New Hampshire, what happens there I think is going to have somewhat of an effect on certainly the mentality of voters and what they think about Kenanites.

It doesn't necessarily mean that if you don't win one of those states, then you're just out of luck in the ones that follow. But a strong performance can seem to indicate to voters they can see that, they can start to kind of develop the mentality of having that person as the nominee. And so it can start to flow to these other states. So, yeah, we don't know what's going to happen in those early states, but Tom Steyer has already put the resources in place. I think here in South Carolina he's got the most of any of the early states staff.

There's more than 40 staffers here, last I checked. So he's certainly ready for the votes to come. All right then, Meg Kinnard, we surely appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Always good to be with you. I appreciate it. Kelly, what do you make of Tom Steyer and the money he's spending? It's a lot of money. And I think it's a smart move in terms of getting the message out there, because I remember, I think these have been running since early last year. Like, I've been seeing them for a very long time. I just don't want it to be a, what's the word?

I don't want it to seem like pandering. Right. Because that's my biggest concern. Because what does reparations really look like? You can say that you support it. There's nobody running on the Democratic side who, you know, verbally is against it. So what does reparations look like?

What does $125... How do you get $125 billion to HBCUs? I need to see something more substantive as opposed to the lip service from anybody. And with Steyer, I mean, you have almost over a year of lip service if you really think about it because it's, you know,

between the ads, the interviews, the campaigning on the ground. It's becoming almost as a gimmick, like a battle of the billionaires type thing, because he's the successful billionaire against the failed billionaire,

and where do you go from there? So those are my main concerns. Mustafa. Well, Tom showed up for the Environmental Justice Presidential Forum that I did, so I appreciate that. Tom has also been, you know, sort of introducing himself to folks. And, you know, we've talked about this before.

So folks got to be able to see you and touch you and feel you. And he's been going into the places all across South Carolina, from the little PD, you know, all the way over to Spartanburg and a number of other places. He even went to some of those places

before he announced that he was going to run. So, you know, most folks want to see you. They want to be able to sit down and have a conversation with you. Now, I think that there is a good point that we got to make sure that the policy is there. You know, Elizabeth Warren puts out those policy plans and you pretty much know exactly where she's going, what she's going to do, and at least somewhat how it's going to be funded. So I think people are resonating with Tom, one, because of the commercials, but two, because he's actually out there with folks trying to find out what's going on in their lives. I think this is something that we've seen before. With Steyer, it seems like this is another iteration of what we saw in 2008 and 2012 with Obama,

what we saw in 2016 with Telly Lovelace and the RNC, the efforts that they were doing to actually go into the barb- what they call the barbershop tour. So Steyer is doing something similar to that, and I give him credit for doing so. But it's-we would be remiss for not acknowledging that this is also something that Cory Booker and others are doing. Steyer, in this case, has about 10% of the vote in South Carolina. But what is, and the guest actually pointed that out, the reporter pointed that out, is that you have Tom Steyer at 10% and you have Cory Booker at about 2%. And I think Kamala Harris is about

0.34% of the, getting 0.34% of the black vote in South Carolina. Well, she's not running anymore. Yeah. And some of that, I'm sorry, but some of that also is money because they did not have the resources. Because when you're running for president, it's about an introduction of who you are, what do you believe in,

and allowing people to get comfortable with you. And Corey and Kamala did not have the same amount of resources to invest. But they had the name recognition, though. No, no, no, no, they didn't. But they did. No, no, no, no, no. In South Carolina, they had the name recognition. Actually, they didn't. And that's the difference. How But they had the name recognition, though. No, no, no, no, they didn't. But they did. No, no, no, no, no. In South Carolina, they had the name recognition.

Actually, they didn't. And that's the difference. How did they not have recognition in South Carolina? They did not. Follow me here. She's a senator from California. He's a senator from New Jersey. And so this assumption that I know you, not true.

The difference here, and this is where money does play, if I am all of a sudden in seven days a week, first of all, let's deal with the fact that black people watch TV more than anybody else. Which is why we know who those two are, though. No, that's wrong. But they do, Roland. You can't say that the people in South Carolina didn't know.

No, you're wrong. Money helps. No. Money absolutely helps. Allow me to finish so you can understand why you're wrong. Yeah, well, I'll allow you to finish. Black folks watch television more than anybody else. So if you're Tom Steyer and you're spending money and dropping millions on TV ads seven days a week and they had no ads on television.

So here you have an individual who I'm hearing on radio and seeing on television and I'm not hearing over here. There are still places where Senator Cory Booker is going. I don't know who you are. And so this assumption that just because you're a black United States Senator and you're South Carolina and you're black, oh, I know you, that's just simply not true.

And so what Steyer is doing, it's the same thing Bloomberg. Bloomberg cannot so even though he's been mayor of New York, there's no assumption everybody knows Mike Bloomberg. So Mike Bloomberg also knows he can't get into the debates because he won't have the donors. That's why he's already dropped $100 million, because he's saying, I'm going to inundate the airwaves

so you know who I am, and it's just beating into the head. That is the difference here. And so the issue that I said with Senator Harris and Booker, the reason they have had a difficult time resonating is because they were not known. And because they did not put the work in between 2016 and 2019,

folks to know that, all of a sudden they jump in and it's like, hey, I'm here. That's why. They're not known. Well, I disagree with that here. That's why. They're not known. Well, I disagree with that. I don't think that they're not known. They don't have the resources that Steyer has. Have you talked to any of their staffers?

But I disagree. Now, I'm asking you a question. Have you talked to any of the staffers of Booker and Harris when they were on the ground? Have you talked to any of them? No, I have not. Okay, I have. Okay. And let me tell you what staff has said. No, no, No, I have not. Okay, I have. Okay. And let me tell you what staff has said. No, no, no, no.

Because there's a difference, Malik, between coming on air and giving your opinion and coming up with information. But, Roland, you're arguing about something that I think is kind of nonsensical, the notion that black voters in South Carolina don't know who Kamala Harris and Senator Cory Booker are. They don't!

So I can chime in real quick. Go ahead. I'm a little different. That's a little different. They don't! So I can chime in real quick. Go ahead! I'm a little different. That's a little different. They don't! That's different from having a money argument. No, they don't! If you actually talk to the people

who work on their campaigns, they will tell you what I'm saying is correct because they're the ones introducing them. Go ahead, Mustafa. I spend a huge amount of time, brother, all across the country and especially in the South, and I'm having real conversations with Mrs. Ramirez and Mr. Johnson, and what they say is that it's not that they don't like Cory or Kamala.

It was that they did not yet know them, and they're looking for opportunities to know them. I think that's a different argument about knowing them as far as their policies or anything like that. But the person, they absolutely know who Cory Booker and Kamala Harris are. But until you actually introduce your policies or something of course they're not going to know everything about that. Let me just quickly say both Cory and Kamala both have excellent policies and they both would have made will or would have made great presidents depending on how this all turns out. Bottom line is when you run for president, it comes down to money.

And whoever has the most money, who can drive your messaging, guess what? Places where you can't go, money helps you in that way. And that's what you're now dealing with. All right, y'all, gotta go to break. We come back. We're gonna talk about the crisis happening in Haiti. Of course, that is a real, real issue.

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think the first way would be to ensure that civil society player really strong wall instead of dealing with the crisis as a crisis between the president and the opposition because the youth the, the people from the accountability movement, we don't believe that all those politicians who want the president to resign are actually fit to replace him or to be in charge of the country. We want to take the process really seriously and have a vetting. We don't want any corrupt official, whether it's from the opposition or from the government party to be in place and we think that society the youth the petrol challenges has to

play a key role if we want to move forward and avoid chaos we don't want chaos we don't want all we don't open it to just replace the president it's not about taking power and just keep mining their own business it's about changing our country it's about doing something new it's not about taking power and just keep minding their own business. It's about changing our country. It's about doing something new. It's about finally taking Haiti away from this mess, if I can say it this way. I'm in a position of trying to determine what should we do, what should I do as a member of the United States Congress and the policies that we put forward and the money that we want to invest in, where should we do it, Where should we put it? Is it the right thing?

Is it the wrong thing? So I've got a minute to go. Did I have anyone to answer those questions? Mr. Erickson. Sure. I think that one very important rule for Congress could be to go to Haiti soon and really assess the situation. Regarding the question of the Haitian National Police, I think ultimately civilian security

in Haiti is going to depend on national police, right? We don't want the army to come back. But I do think that this requires more in-depth examination by Congress, either members of this committee or others who may be interested to investigate this. Thank you. And just to add to that, I think it's very important you were saying what we should invest in. I think we should invest in local governance, strengthening local institutions. I think that is one of the best ways to move forward to really strengthen Haitians and really also work with the grassroots civil society organizations

and really build them up to be able to be those actors of change, those political champions that can really help move Haiti forward. Joining us right now is Pastor Gary Theodotte of the Haiti Democracy Project. Pastor, glad to have you here. We've, a lot of folks, let's just be honest, in this country have not spent time focused on this issue, Pastor.

We think of Haiti, and frankly, the only time folks think about this country when you talk about hurricane when you talk about earthquakes. And so from your vantage point, what should this country be doing when it comes to what's happening in Haiti? Thank you, and I want to thank you for the invitation. And I'm pleased to be with you in this program tonight to talk about Haiti again. Like you just said, people have talked and heard about Haiti in only in negative ways. Let's say when we have weekend, political instabilities, or other problems. But we as people from Haiti, Haitian all over,

we are seeking, we are asking, and also we are trying to get some help from our neighbors, from our partners, to help us to build the country after so many years of political instabilities.

But, so, let's say the last four years. I'm just saying the last four years. Yes. How many prime ministers have you had? After four years. Yes. How many prime ministers have you had? After four years. Right. We have, let's say, one, two, let's say about three, three prime ministers. Right. So, and so, so you've had protests. So what is driving the instability that way you get, you have no continuity of leadership? Because part, part of this issue is also, if you have no continuity of leadership because part part of

this issue is also if you remember of Congress or it's like okay well now who's in charge now who's in charge and so new prime minister new leadership new ambassadors all of a sudden so when it's constantly changing the question then becomes, if I get to know somebody, hell, six months later, they're gone. Correct. The point is that all right, we have trying to build up a democracy system there, but people

are not really ready for the democratic system. Because of what? We have a culture of not really accepting that we are losing. Let's say we had an election two years ago, 19, 2016. We haven't elected the president, Mr. Juvenile Moise, who was elected by the people.

Only two years in power, people who were candidates and who were not elected, they are trying to oppose to the president, to oppose to his plan, to oppose to his vision. And now we have this type of instabilities there in the country, where people are not only asking for better services or also to have a better living, but they are supported and pushed by the opposition leaders to have violence and to have, like, actually we have, the country has been blocked by who? By the opposition leaders. And also, we have so many armed gangs who are trying to intimidate people to vacate at their businesses to go on with their lives. And the problem is not only political.

We know that. It's also economical. Because Haiti has profound economic problems that needs to be addressed let's talk about one of the issues that i've talked to folks there um i've talked to journalists there um it is a particular interest to me because my great great grandfather migrated from haiti yes let's deal with the five families of Haiti. You've got very rich folks there. Yes.

You've got individuals who, away from Port-au-Prince, who frankly are doing well. In fact, after the hurricane, when the United States State Department wanted to build temporary housing on some land there, literally these rich families wanted to build tip of rural housing on some land there. Literally, these rich families wanted to charge the federal government more than $250,000 per acre for that land. I remember doing an interview with Cheryl Mills when she was the chief of staff for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. And when I stated that, she was very surprised that I knew about that.

They literally were trying to charge Americans $270-plus million to build housing on the land. So aren't you also dealing with rich interests in Haiti controlling the economics and the politics of Haiti, and poor Haitians are sitting here saying, we're the ones getting screwed. How do we deal with that? And this is what is going on now, where those rich families,

they want to control the political power. And the actual president is trying to change the system, to say, hey, listen, for those who are controlling the country for so many years, and the poor people cannot get anything from them, from the system. It's trying to be their voices. But what they do, they use the opposition leaders to try not only to disturb, but to stop and to block the actual government program for the country. And this is what we want the international community to understand what is going on there.

It's not the people against the president it's a some people from the private sectors that finance the gang the armed gangs to intimidate people to terrorize the country like right now we understand that we have a group of people that try to defend or to ask for a better life, for a better living, but at the same time, the private sectors is trying to use some

of the politicians to block the actual resident program. Mustafa, go ahead. Huh. I mean, I've been to Haiti a couple of times and spent time in Port-au-Prince. So how do we rebuild the infrastructure that's necessary?

Because I'm one who believes that when you give people hope again, when you make sure that they have a home, when you make sure that they have running water consistently, you know, all the various things that are necessary, how do we begin to get that in place? I know there is a political aspect, but for me, as someone who focuses on rebuilding communities, how do we do that? Well, we can do it by several ways, like using people, people who live there, they know your needs, they know what they want,

and they have interest in a better living. They know that. And also, we can do it in partnership with them or with the government. Because of the infrastructure problems that Haiti is facing now, it's a long journey. And we want to change. We want to make a change. But the point is, with these political instabilities, we cannot do anything.

And this is what we are trying to help the international community to understand. The political instabilities affect the country's economic health. We cannot make any progress with the political instabilities and this group of people who are trying to block what the actual president is trying to do for the best of our country they don't want anything good or they don't want to stay out of power they want to control the country while they are not doing anything for the well-being of the people. Jacqueline Charles is a friend of mine. She was a NABJ journalist of the year. She wrote

this piece. Go to my iPad, please. She wrote this piece in May 15, 2019. It says, dozens brutally killed, raped in Haiti massacre. Police say even young children were not spared. That is the La Saline massacres 50 people who were killed and Haitian officials were implicated and so and the citizens they're still demanding justice okay I was I just came from Haiti I live in Boston and I know what I'm trying to say. People have been talking about the Lassaline massacre. Officials

are involved in that. They cannot prove it. One. And also, we heard it this morning with those two people from Haiti, Mr. Pierre L'Expérience and Mrs.

Duyon. They were talking about massacre in Nassau. But the point is, we have armed gangs, and they are fighting to each other. So you have armed gangs, but do you have a Haitian military combating the gangs and what the gains are overrun in the military? But the point is the police it's to me not only it's the reality is that the police has

Doesn't have the capacity to deal with those gangs. So the police are the gangs No, they can't because they have the gangs have a better better army arms than the police how do you have 80 as an arm embargo well we cannot have good munition to deal with those issues and this is why we need to understand what is going on now. While the Amnesty International tried to put this problem on the government, but the government doesn't have anything to do with the Lassalin massacre because it's armed gangs fighting to each other.

It's not only there, but it's all over the country. So how do you deal, again, at the end of the day in terms of moving forward? You have to have a sense of unity within a country before you can even go to an external force. So if you've got a ruling party and the opposition not wanting to sit down, if you've got allegations of a president

stealing $3 billion, at the end of the day, how are you going to get America to be willing to step in if you continue to have internal dissension? And what do you want? Are you looking for America to come in as a mediator? I mean, so exactly what? Because you're going to have people who are saying, yo, if I'm giving money, why? So the question is,

what specifically do you want from America to deal with what's happening in Haiti? All right. As you heard it this morning, the same question was asked to those two people who came from who were invited by

the Foreign Affairs Committee at the Congress. The point is, let's say we know that these problems are from us, Haitians, and we need Haitians to have a solution to that problem. We know that. But the point is, we reach a point where dialogue cannot be established or dialogue cannot go through between the political actors. Now, the international community is trying to see what they can do as a mediator to find

a way to address these actual problems between the political actors. What we want from the United States is to have a better understanding of what is going on. Like they want to get the country to a point where violence is, where human rights abuses can go on and force the international community to ask the actual president, which is the elected president, to get out. That's what they have been doing for a while. And if we don't understand...

Who wants the elected president to get out? That's the opposition leaders. They are using the people from the streets, the armed gangs. They finance them. Gotcha. They arm them. But I'm still asking, I'm still asking, which is not clear finance them. Gotcha. The armed... But I'm still asking, I'm still asking, which is not clear to me.

Yes. What do you want America to do? You have Congressional Black Caucus members, you've got House, you've got Senate. What do you want America to do? Do you want America to send in a special envoy in order to help mediate these competing interests in Haiti similar to what we've tried to do in the Middle East? Sure, we will welcome that. No, no, but no, no, no, not what you're

welcoming. Is that what you're asking for? We want that, exactly. So this is how the American were involved there in Haiti to try to see what they can do to have a good dialogue among the actors. But unfortunately, the president is open to that dialogue, but the opposition leaders not. They don't want to have any dialogue with the president. No, no, no, but I'm saying, okay, follow me here. I'm using the Israelis and Palestinians as an example. Yes.

If you have an American envoy who comes in, who's meeting with the president and his party, who's meeting with the opposition party in order to try to bring them together, what you're asking is, you want Americans. You want Trump, or you want Congress to assign an American envoy on a negotiating team

to assist in mediating the warring factions in Haiti to come to a political solution? We welcome that. We want that, but it's not only American, but it can be the international community. I got you, but the reality

is, if you get that from the Americans, other folks will follow. Actually, this is what we need. We need a mediator to resolve that problem. All right. Pastor Theodot, we appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Thank you very much. Keep us abreast of what's happening. Okay. Thanks.

All right, folks. Jury selection, folks, in this case out of Maryland. After his trial was delayed four times, jury selection has started this week for Sean Urbanski, the man charged with the hate crime murder of Richard Collins on the University of Maryland College Park campus. Prosecutors believe Urbanski killed Collins, who was about to graduate from Bowie State,

because he had a bias against black people. He has been charged with a hate crime and first-degree murder. We'll shortly update you on this case as it moves forward. Also in today's news, in the court system, Bill Cosby has lost his appeal when it came to his sexual assault conviction. You might remember, of course, he went to the appeals court. They upheld the verdict, of course, in his trial. Cosby lawyers had complained that the judge let five women testify at last year's retrial in suburban Philadelphia, although he had let just one woman testify at the first trial in 2017. In his ruling, the Superior Court said prosecutors had a right to

call other accusers to support their case. Here's a statement from Cosby's attorneys. This news of the Superior Court denying Mr. Cosby's appeal is appalling and disappointing, but it shows the level of corruption that resides in the judicial system of Pennsylvania. These panel of judges never took the time to review the facts of Mr. Cosby's appeal. Mr. Cosby's appeal outlined the bias of Judge Stephen T. O'Neill, showed that the jurors were tainted by juror number 11, who stated, Mr. Cosby is guilty, let's not waste a lot of time and find him guilty.

Showed that the 404B witnesses should have never been allowed to offer testimony in Mr. Cosby's trial because they had no similar interest with Andrea Constant. And most importantly in Mr. Cosby's trial because they had no similar interest with Andrea Constant. And most importantly, Mr. Cosby's deposition should have never been considered at the trial. It's obvious that these judges' minds were made up because they didn't take the time

to dissect Mr. Cosby's appeal. We're not shocked because it shows the world that this isn't about justice. This is a political scheme to destroy America's dad. However, they will not stop us and we will prevail in the state supreme court mr kaufi remains hopeful and his stands behind his innocence also folks um today of course remember we told you yesterday the senate approved the amended future act provided more than 200 million in funding to hbcus for stem well today the house

they passed that amended act as well. And so now that goes on to Trump for his signature. And so hopefully those dollars will be flowing to the HBCUs when it comes to the issue of STEM. Now, that's important because when we talk about what's happening with African-Americans and finance, the reality is things, despite all the stuff you're hearing from Trump, how great things are, facts don't support that. Here's what I mean by that. African-Americans are the only racial group in the country making less than they did 10 years ago. Studies show that black Americans have struggled for years to move up the economic ladder.

We have a harder time finding jobs, and something as simple as having an African-American-sounding name could be enough for an employer to deny you a job. Joining me now to talk about this, of course, is America's Wealth Coach Deborah Owens. a very African-American sounding name could be enough for an employer to deny you a job. Joining me now to talk about this, of course, is America's Wealth Coach, Deborah Owens. Deborah, glad to have you back on the show. Good to be back. So here's what's interesting. When you look at the unemployment numbers,

Trump touts, oh, how great things are, especially for black people. But the reality is the jobs that you're seeing are low-wage jobs. You're not talking about those high-wage jobs impacting African Americans. Second, when you talk about where black folks stand economically, you will never hear Trump talk about the housing crisis. The number right now is almost at the point where it was when the Fair Housing Act was enacted in 1968. It's not even above 41%. I dare say the reason that number

hasn't moved goes back to the home foreclosure crisis where 53% of black wealth was wiped out because of the home foreclosure crisis. I don't argue that, but we're talking income and wages, right? And so your point to the fact that low wage earners represent, there are 53 million low wage earn. And that's 44 percent of folks who are employed. So when I look at the stats on African-Americans and our stagnation in terms of

wages, what you really have to look at are three things, right? First, occupations. Occupations, our social capital, our ability to move upwards when we get into organizations. And third, but not least, our business ownership. So let's start with occupations. The fact is that our highest participation for African Americans is offices and administrative support. It's about 13%, 14, almost 14 percent. Those are lower wage jobs. And what you know, if you start delving into the study itself, what you see in terms of what they see as some of the remedies are that unions were one of the reason unionization of jobs were one of the reasons that African-Americans got hired and also incomes were higher.

Well, what we've seen is an erosion of unionized jobs. And in fact, where you see the largest wage growth really is in management and technology. And so when you layer that and look back at that numbers, what you see is that Asian employment, they have some of the highest participation in those different roles. Let me go back to the union piece, because the reality is the attack on unions really intensified with Ronald Reagan as president when he fired the air traffic controllers, even though he got the Teamsters endorsement when he ran for president. And so you get this constant assault on unions. And what people don't understand

is that African Americans, we historically have been frozen out of corporate jobs, and the place where African Americans, not only when it came to union jobs, but also government jobs. And so then when you had the attack on so-called big government, the people who were most proportionally were impacted by that were African-Americans. And so when you had

the layoffs of teachers and police officers and firefighters and city workers and county workers and state workers and federal workers, those were the places where black folks were making mid 50 or even six figurefigure salaries, and it was not commensurate to what was happening in corporate America. Yes, and so you see really that our access to opportunity and to middle incomes for African Americans, a lot of those opportunities in this new financial normal where you have the highest paying jobs being more in technology. And even then,

even though we're getting these educations and getting these degrees, what you and you go into these organizations, you don't see any of us in there. And so that brings me to the second aspect. And that really is social capital. What our kids need to understand is it's not enough to just get that degree. You really have to understand how to be strategic when you get into these organizations and really figure out ways in which you can succeed. However, the point I really want to make is we are the ones we've been waiting for and what i mean by that is if you look at black business ownership and the fact that so often we're starting businesses at a higher rate what you see though is only 107 000 of those two to three million businesses even employ people

right and so one employee and one employee, and all those businesses have an average revenue of $54,000, when seven years ago, when we had 1.9 million black-owned businesses, we had 1.8 million one employee, but they were doing 110,000. So, yes, we have more black-owned businesses, but smaller capacity.

Right. And so to that point is, if you look at Hispanic and Asian incomes, one of the things you cannot ignore is that they have started businesses. Their businesses employ more people, and if we're going to employ more of our people, it really is business ownership. You know, I belong to this organization,

Traffic Sales and Profit in Atlanta, where this Lamar Tyler heads and he's really helping black entrepreneurs scale. And that's really the issues, right? It's not enough to just hire, create a job for yourself. It's basically what we're doing is because of that limited opportunity, when in fact, what we have to do is employ people. And I'm going to call you out for just a minute, Roland, because if you think about your show and if you think about all the people, myself included, who you brought on that show and all of those people that went on

and are now on CNN and MSNBC and all, that opportunity that you gave them really was social capital. There is no way any of us would have gotten that type of exposure had we not had that door, that entry door. And that to me is the most significant part of business ownership. And those are jobs that we, depending upon contracts, 50, 75, a hundred plus thousand dollars. I know, and there are some who are up 150, 170 thousand dollars, who I put on TV first.

And so you're right, when you see Nia Malika Henderson, when you see April Ryan, when you see Angela Ryan, Paul Butler, David Swierlik, I can go on and on and on. Dr. Jason Johnson, I mean, all of the above. And so, the point that I wanna make, and-and I feel like we need to be clear, is that business ownership in our community, that is the new frontier. And if we're going to employ our kids who are in high school and keep employment of even those who have

to transition during middle management, that is the areas that we need to focus on, not just starting businesses, but also scaling. And again, when you talk about scale, so I'm just going to use this show as an example. So if you take those numbers, 2.6 million black-owned businesses, 2.5 million have one employee, average revenue 54,000. So we launched this in

September 2018, actually really the beginning of 2018 after TV One canceled News One Now. So, first year, we did about 700,000 in revenue. There are nine employees. So, if you take the top 10%, if you take that top

echelon of black businesses, we're in it. After one year. And so, because my deal always has been, you have to have scale. I've had people who got mad at me when I said, I don't want more black businesses. They's like, what? I said, no.

I said, give me the 2.6 now that have 25, 50, 100 employees. They were like, what are you talking about? Because we've gotten wrapped up in, 50, 100 employees, they were like, what are you talking about? Because we've gotten wrapped up in, hey, it's a black-owned business. I spoke at an award ceremony in Houston, and they gave an award to three black PR companies.

And I'm sitting there waiting to get my keynote, and I'm going, I bet you between the three of them, they ain't doing a million combined in revenue. And I'm sitting there going, I wonder if those three ever sat down and said, why don't we have one larger PR company? We can go after larger contracts and employ more people. And I'll just give you this here before I go to you. I've probably spoken at easily 20 plus

black chambers of commerce events. And when I go in, I ask them for the program and I go through the program. at easily 20 plus black chambers of commerce events. And when I go in, I ask them for the program and I go through the program. And not one of them was M&A, mergers and acquisitions, a part of the agenda. And I said, guys, there's no way we're gonna have scale. If you're happy having CEO on your card

and I'm happy having CEO on my card and we don't learn to say how can we actually merge or acquire to be able to grow and hire more of our people. Yes, and so that's the point. You know, to me, what was very telling in that statistic was the fact that our wages have not grown, the fact that, you know, we're talking about unemployment being lower, but still black unemployment is twice as our white counterparts. The fact that so many of the professions that we go into historically pay lower salaries, whether it be social work or administrative positions.

And so I don't want to just put the onus on it's the people out there that won't hire us, I also want to put the onus on, um, really folks getting more strategic about their own careers. Because one of the things that I do is work with folks, and I'm seeing people are just staying in the same place for, like, ten years, and their average, um, increase is 2%, and so you go nowhere. And so we're picking safety, right, over, you know, safety over the ability to increase our income.

So some of that onus is self-inflicted. Kelly? So with all that being said, how do we scale? How does, you know, a company such as Roland's, like what Roland was saying in terms of examples, how do those small businesses actually merge? So I'm going to give you an example. I think part of our issues, if you look at Asian, Hispanics, historically, they have been entrepreneurs.

Now, back in the day, prior to us going into professional careers or the great migration, all of our families were basically entrepreneurs because we had to create a job for ourselves. So I believe, like myself, scaling, what it requires is you getting the competency and being around other entrepreneurs who have scaled so you can learn how to scale. It's not enough to just write a business plan. It really is being more strategic and thoughtful. And to Roland's part is it's not always about us being the head of the organization. It is who are some other business owners who you can strategically partner with

that you can enhance one another's businesses and then you can learn. And so part of that exchange strategically is getting the infrastructure and the systems and the processes in place. I would say another opportunity for African-American-owned businesses, business owners, too, So what are some businesses in your community that you can already go in, I don't want to say apprentice, but work perhaps for a lower salary, knowing that eventually you're going to succeed. And that really gives you the opportunity

to be more successful because they already have runway and cash flow. And before I go to Malik, here's the other piece, in our families, all right, you gotta also make a decision to say, how do I pick up where what's already existing? So for instance, I think about Robert Abbott, when he founded the Chicago Defender,

he knew he was gonna be retiring, so he tapped his nephew, I'm gonna teach you, John Sinistak, take this over when I'm gone. My grandmother had a catering business for some 40 years. Me and my brother, my family, we took over the business. All were owners, and then he then took the business and still owns it. And so now it's like, now you have a second-generation business.

So what you also need is you need some family members to say, hey, you built a second-generation business. I need to study or focus in that area to take it over when it's time for you to go. Same for me. It doesn't make sense for me to have this capacity to build this and not have a niece or a nephew say, man, I better learn all this media stuff,

because guess what? This is a business that I could potentially take over in the next 10 years, and when you talk about Asians and Latinos, that's also one of the issues. Part of the problem, we got a lot of black-owned businesses where the next generation's like,

okay, I don't want to do that. And so all of that capacity has been built, all of that knowledge, all that expertise, and then they either sell to somebody else, or frankly, they shut it down when a person retires or passes away, and now you're restarting versus building on top of what they already did.

So what you just defined, Roland, is wealth, right? It transfers from generation to generation, and what is happening in our community is everybody is starting out from scratch. We're recreating the wheel every generation. We've got to, you know, it's just like making a scratch cake, you know. Like, you've got to put all the ingredients in. When, in fact, if we had those systems and processes in already,

it makes for a much smoother transition, a much smoother runway, and then the ability to continue to scale. Mellon? smoother runway and then the ability to continue to scale. Melody? I thank you, your point about people becoming complacent, if you will, in their jobs. I think that's a really good point and we do need to focus on retraining some of those people. I use myself as an example. I'm currently taking IT classes, something I never considered before, never considered

having a career. But you have places like D.C. that I think is doing a pretty good job as that, whether it's through the apprenticeship program or this young guy, Raymond Bell, who has the HOPE Project. And what the HOPE Project does, it actually trains formerly incarcerated individuals, people who don't have those employables, may not have employable skills, to enter into the workforce. And so he's actually creating opportunities for that. And I think that the more that cities are able to replicate systems like that, I think we need an all-hands-on-deck approach to it.

And I think that's something that if other cities actually start doing themselves, this is something that can actually change the trajectory for many lives because many of these jobs are actually middle-class jobs. But I also think, Debra, to your point, it's mindset. Tied with that, because we talked about SAFE. The reality is, if we really want to be honest, many of us have been raised by black grandparents and pa... Baby, don't you lose that good job. That good government job.

Because they're thinking in terms of job as opposed to no, if there's an opportunity. So that's also where risk comes in. That's right. And fortune really favors the folks who are more ambitious and innovative. And so the mindset is huge. And in fact, it has hindered our ability.

So to your point, Roland, when you look at the transition that we've made over these two decades, right? It's very difficult for someone to come out of high school and earn a 50K, which is something that you could do in Detroit 20 30 30 years ago however what happened and technology artificial intelligence all of that is going to continue to compress right the number of opportunities that are available that automation all of that

absolutely so if you are not the people that because, because the other statistic that I didn't see shown in that report was Nielsen did a study. And they talk about that one of the fastest growing segments, not the largest, but the fastest growing segment for African-American are those with incomes over $150K. So the question is, what do they know that other people don't? And what I would submit to you is that ability to be very dynamic, to understand that we're in a volatile economy, and that you have to constantly be willing to shift. You know, you may have, my husband went to school to be a journalist. He became an anchor, reporter.

That's how we all know each other. And yet now he's VP of communications for an advertising agency doing crisis communications, right? So you have to be willing, right, to look at what your skill set is and transition and go where the opportunities are. And so to your point, we do have to be more strategic. Mustafa?

Well, some people talk about personal responsibility. I'm glad that we're talking about family responsibility. I know in my family, the young kids, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old, they're engaged in the family business. But I'm also curious about our major organizations. What role do you see them playing? Our churches, our, you know, mosque, synagogue, and also our fraternities and sororities and the other sort of civic organizations.

What role do you see them playing? So I'm glad you brought that up because I think that is an untapped resource, something that we can use for social capital. I think our organizations, whether it be the Divine Nine, whether it be our churches, that's where our community is. And so we have to be much more strategic about how we're pooling our resources and also how we're preparing ourselves. I mean, there's in many churches, what is going on is that there are those career counseling, there are financial boot camps and those sorts of things.

But I think the next frontier really is pooling our resources together so that we can go in and buy franchises. We can give the access to capital that is so needed, as I'm sure Roland can speak on, in order for you to be able to scale your business because that's the other point. Getting access to, for, even though you have revenue coming in,

you still have to be able to hire people. So you need a line of credit and cash flow in order to be able to grow. And I would say this here, when you talk about the family piece, having, beginning to have those conversations, like, that will do what we used to do, which also Asians and Latinos do.

Where if you're in a family unit, where you say, we're going to pool our resources, and then with the dollars raised to help this one person open that particular franchise, and guess what? We can all employ each other. I mean, the bottom line is this here.

You take any business, okay, you have to go hire people. So if I own a business, common sense says, if I got family members, I would rather pay a family member for a service who has the skill set because that's the person

I know better than anybody else. Well, it's interesting, though, because it goes back to mindset, right? And I... And if we want to be honest, what we... What I would say is that in, uh, many of our families, there is a lack of trust. And, uh, and that lack of trust, as I see it, is simply based on, uh, ignorance, right?

So lack of trust in our families, which then extends to a lack of trust overall among black people. I mean, I-I-I can tell you, uh, and I got no problem saying this, because I've said it before. Look, before we launched this show, I went to every major black media company,

and I'm saying, and I said, I'm about to do something that none of you are doing. Here's an opportunity for us to partner. You already have infrastructure in terms of sales team, in terms of office space, so we can do a deal where I handle the show aspect. You handle the HR, back end stuff along those lines. We also do revenue split and I, and I take your pick and I talked to all of them, no response or not interested. And I'm sitting here going,

now, now I'm sitting here looking at them and I'm going, you don't have what I'm talking about. So guess what? NBC launched a streaming news service. Fox launched Fox Nation. ABC expanded their

digital service, digital news service. CBSN expanding digital news service. CBSN expanding digital news service. I'm looking at all, and so people were telling me I was crazy, and I'm going, so if I was crazy, how the hell is every other media outlet launching digital news services? And I literally could not get, and still cannot, Deborah,

get black media owners To say let's partner and one of them was like, you know what? I don't feel I don't really do someone else I don't want to I don't want to deal with big personalities and eagles I rather just own the whole thing and pay somebody and I'm going that ain't gonna happen if you got somebody Who's built a personal brand who doesn't want to just have a job, but who also wants to be an owner too. Well, yeah, but then, okay, so let's get back to mindset again, right? What you're really, you're taking the path,

let's travel and let's be honest. So much of the investments and the strategy and the growth, the lack of it in our community around innovation really is risk aversion, right? If you look at it from an investment standpoint, most of our assets are in fixed income investments, CDs, government, anything that's guaranteed where we're not gonna lose our principle. And in fact, what we don't realize in doing so, you... there's risk in taking no risk at all. Right, but the thing for me is, and again, as somebody who's always been a futurist, if you will, in terms of this industry,

2005, I'm at a media fellowship at Cal Berkeley, and Evan Williams comes in, and he's teaching us about this new podcasting platform he's launching, Odeo, okay? This is the same Evan Williams who later becomes a co-founder of Twitter. And so I come back to Chicago Defender, and I launched audio podcast in 2005.

2006, we launched a video podcast. So come 2016, 17, everybody's like, a video podcast. So come 2016, 17, everybody's like, podcast, podcast. I was like, yeah, I kind of did that 12 years ago. But I'm at the Defender. Here you got these black millionaires who own the company, who are like, what's all this podcast about? I said,

trust me, if y'all get out of my way and let me do this, I can guarantee you where we're going. Here we are in 2019 and they're trying to do stuff that I was doing in 2005.

And so part of the other issue, this is the final issue I want you to speak on, Deborah. Part of the other issue with these black-owned companies is you have got to understand that if you don't see around the corner, you're actually guaranteeing your demise.

Ebony Magazine, before I go to you, John Johnson did not believe in the internet. Did not. He said, I don't want to hear digital stuff, and I'm sitting there going, bro, this is happening. Final point, go ahead. Okay, So my final point is

really this, and that is because of our risk aversion, our lack of exposure, our lack of capital, our lack of safety nets, what is required in our community is much more education, right? And so what I would say to you, even as you're going out here raising capital, that a huge, we can't just go get a bunch of people in a room and say, okay, guys, this is what we're doing. Here's the potential. Write me a check for 20, 30, 40, 50,000. In our community, what we have to do

is really paint a picture. And then give some examples of other businesses who have started at this stage and now are where they are now. It is a longer... That's one thing that we're doing. Yes, it's a longer process, but it's necessary

because this is the... In the investment landscape, whether it be private funding, friends and family or whatever, we never had the assets to even be able to get into the front end of the Twitters or the what of the world. So we have limited experience.

But I want us, though, who have the opportunity now, to seize it and not still try to operate in the early 20th century. Deborah, how can people reach you? People can go to my website, wealthyu.com. Sign up for our weekly newsletter, all kinds of tips. If you want to turn your income into wealth,

we're the people to see. All right, Debra, thanks a bunch. Thank you, Roland. All right, folks, don't forget, you want to support what we do here, RolandMartinOnTheFilter.com, having conversations you're not going to get anywhere else, go to the website.

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