#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 12.19.19 RMU: House impeaches Trump; No Black candidates at Dem Debate; Chris Darden defends Ed Buck

Episode Date: December 22, 2019

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1 is adopted. On this vote, the yeas are 229. The nays are 198. Present is one. Article two is adopted. Mark it down. A little after 8.30 p.m. Eastern on December 18, 2019, Donald Trump became the third American president impeached. That's right. It all happened as a result of him seeking out a foreign entity to help bring down a political rival.

Now, of course, Republicans did all they could to try to stop it from happening, but the reality is Donald Trump, as Nancy Pelosi predicted, impeached himself. Now, Pelosi says she will wait to send it over to the Senate because Mitch McConnell hasn't gotten his stuff together. Do you view the House's role in this as complete now, or are there steps you might take to try to ensure, as the Chairman suggested, a more fair trial in the Senate? You mean more fair trial than they're contemplating? Because we had a very fair process in the House of Representatives. I would yield to our... Let me just put it another way. We have legislation approved by the Rules Committee that will enable us to decide

how we will send over the articles of impeachment. We cannot name managers until we see what the process is on the Senate side, and I would hope that that will be soon as we did with our legislation, our Resolution 660, to describe what the process would be. So far, we haven't seen anything that looks fair to us, so hopefully it will be fairer, and when we see what that is we'll send out managers. Today Pelosi held a news conference where she was asked of course about what took place last night. She pretty much said she don't give a damn what Republicans think. Republicans have said of looking like you're playing games with impeachment if you hold on to these articles for too long. I said what I was going to say, Nancy. We are, we have,

when we bring the bill, which is, just so you know, there's a bill made in order by the Rules Committee that we can call up at any time in order to send it over to the Senate and to have the provisions in there to pay for the impeachment. And then the next step,

whatever you want to call it, the trial. That is where you put the managers. I was not prepared to put the managers and that bill yet because we don't know the arena that we are in. Frankly, I don't care what the Republicans say. Any other questions not on this subject i've said this is it i honored nancy run the risk as some republicans have said of looking like you're playing games with impeachment if you hold on so it's interesting nancy pelosi makes it perfectly clear that she is not going to play games with mitch mcconnell's with our panel right now dr greg carr chair department of afro-american

studies howard university uh also with us is Melanie Campbell. Of course, she with the Black Women's Roundtable and Michael Brown, former vice chair of DNC Finance Committee. Melanie, I want to start with you. Folks talk about Nancy Pelosi. She did not want last night to happen. She held off for a very long time, but she managed this process in a way where, look, she's got the Republicans trying to figure out what in the hell she's going to do next.

Well, I think that Nancy Pelosi is the leader that was needed in this moment, in this moment in history. She's boss. She's boss lady. But she's following in history. She's boss. She's boss lady But she but she's following the process. She's been really clear. It's been about the Constitution It's been all

growing up in this country where all the white folks I grew up around talk about how the flag and how important it is to Follow the rule of the law and all these things, but only as pertains to everybody else. And so I... It was a sad moment, you know, to watch it because I've lived long enough to know that this was extremely serious, what happened last night. But the president made sure that he was impeached. So she just had to do what her oath of office required her to do, and that's uphold the Constitution.

And do it for the American people. Greg Carr, Democrats wanted her to impeach him after the Mueller report. She said no. I remember the comment she made, he is going to impeach himself. And he kept going. And he kept going. And he kept going. And he did.

And people don't realize, it was that phone call in September. And then, when the whistleblower came forward, out of the shift, calls out the director of national intelligence. That's how it all came about. Donald Trump's actions caused last night. They absolutely did. And the GOP has dropped all pretenses.

That's why I think as far as news and commentary is concerned, this is really the only place to have an intelligent conversation about this. I'm sitting next to a sister who has been part of a coalition who has been doing political analysis for a long time, and I need to go back and look at the black women's roundtable. What have we been saying? What you been saying? We've been trying to tell y'all this. There were only two articles yesterday that were approved,

and only three Democrats, well, I guess two if you count this cat from New Jersey who's gonna try to run on a Republican ticket switch sides Let's leave Tulsi Gabbard aside for a second, but there were only two The tenth article of impeachment for Andrew Johnson was for him saying that America is a white man's country as long as I'm president It's gonna remain a white man's government. As long as I'm president, it's going to remain a white man's government. That was the 10th article of impeachment in 1866 for him. And what did McConnell do today? What did they say yesterday? They're on the floor of the United States House saying that even that was an overreach.

So what the GOP has done is dropped all pretenses. So when Pelosi comes along, as you say, very calm, very temperamental, and says these are the two that you can't deny. Because of this whistleblower, as Schiff has done, and when she says, we're going to hold this back and let McConnell get his act together. I think about our brother Al Green, whose probably his first appearances were here on your airways,

on your show, when he says, we could have got this guy at the beginning. But what you've taken away from the GOP is every hiding place except the one thing they have now put their entire government on the bedrock of, and that is what? This is a white man's government, and we're going to ride it till the wheels fall off. And we're going to do it the way we want.

Mike Brown, what is interesting here is now, first of all, McConnell talked too soon. Him and Lindsey Graham. We might call this thing up, immediately vote. So they said to us right now, we'll do it before Christmas. This thing is out of the way.

Now she's going to sit back and say, what y'all got? Then what's going to happen is it's going to force those moderates in the Senate, Collins. It's going to force Murkowski. It's going to force for the moderates, but for whatever you want to call it, Romney. Those individuals are going to say, well, hold up. Are we going to call witnesses? What are the rules? How is this going to work out?

That's the other piece there. And so she can sit on it and make them wait. Trial may not be until next October. I think that's, and Cory Gardner, who you're probably thinking, even though he's not a moderate, but his state is becoming much different. You're exactly right in that. Just genius. I mean, we're watching political 101 genius about how Nancy Pelosi also will.

This doctorate level. Okay, thank you. This 101. Masters, you're right. This 501, 601. P-A-C. P-A-C. That's right.

Absolutely. I mean, she, depending on how you look at Speaker's history, Sam Rayburn, Tip O'Neill, and then Nancy Pelosi. She's in that group. And what she has done is put him... Now, they're always on the defensive now. We've never seen Republicans on defensive like we do now, especially this guy who's always... 45's always on the offensive.

Now he's on the defense. He's going to have to afford impeachment through Christmas holidays and possibly through the Iowa caucuses. Longer toward Burke and MPH owners as well he is what you know crazy man is unhinged so last night he's in Michigan he attacks a dead man a longer serving serving member in US House history now you got two Republicans in Michigan saying you need to apologize you insult. You insult the man widow.

Oh, I don't want anything. And not only is he always petty, but this is going to rankle him. It's going to drive him crazy. Right. Because impeachment will now be attached to his name. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And the idea that it somehow is going to benefit him, I think, is a ridiculous statement. Obviously, for the most part, people stay where they were. If you supported Trump, you supported Trump. If he was against him, you were against him. But I think, like, the saddest part of the entire thing is to watch the Republican Party in this moment. The Republican Party is embarrassing itself. It is the lowest point for them,

easily the lowest point for them, because if you notice during their little debate yesterday, there is nobody out there defending Donald Trump, the person. This is something that Chris Matthews brought up yesterday. It's very true. No defense whatsoever of his behavior, no defense on the merit of any of the charges, no defense of this is a good man who wouldn't do this. None of that, because they can't. They can't. They can't. And what's even more shocking is when you think about the fact that these two articles have nothing to do with treason,

have nothing to do with emoluments, have nothing to do with obstruction, really direct obstruction of justice, which they could have very easily have brought up. So there's all these other things that they could have impeached him on that they didn't even get to. And these Republicans are standing out there. And, of course, you see the demographic divide So there's all these other things that they could have impeached him on that they didn't even get to. And these Republicans are standing out there.

And, of course, you see the demographic divide right in front of your face with this party, mostly white males defending the president. Not even a few white women thrown in there to sort of make it look good because this is it. This is the party. This is the Republican Party. And it is embarrassing. And that new group that Rick Wilson set up, the Never Trump Republicans, good for them, right? Because those Never Trump Republicans, a lot of them are white men as well. But the point is

this party has just come down to desperation and defending Donald Trump, and that's it. The day after, you know it's bad when you got Putin defending you. Right. Exactly. When Putin is defending Trump, that's all you need to know. Right.

As to where this man stands. Right. And the only one, the French, the Chinese, the English, China saying, we told y'all this is American democracy. What are y'all talking about? In England, they're saying, yeah, this is a problem. And they got Boris Johnson. You've leapfrogged over Boris Johnson. And to the point that you just raised, Lauren, this

Lincoln Quartet that they've got, they were in the New York Times today. You know, that includes a man who was John McCain's principal advisor that loosed Sarah Palin on the world. Now y'all want to throw the rock and hide your hands? Yeah, good for y'all, but do not try to rehabilitate

the Republican Party. The Republican Party, which we were watching yesterday, I was talking back and forth between the House floor debate and Roland Martin unfiltered, as y'all had the all-woman panel breaking this down. I'm watching, as you said, these are all white men. Right. And so, yes, please.

And that's really what this is boiled down to be about. Yes, yes. Because it didn't just start with the impeachment. It started when President Obama, in my opinion, was elected in the first place. That's right. So, you know, Mitch McConnell

has been very, very focused. He has not swayed at all. So he's taken it to the fullest extent to this moment. And it is about white men saying this is, we will stay in power

no matter, at all costs. We will break, we will tear down this costs, we will break, we will tear down this democracy, we call this, as long as white men are in charge. And that's the image

of what I saw. But see, it's going to splinter because when you can't even keep the husband of the president's advisor, you can't even keep George Will in the Republican Party. That's right. At some point, they are going to splinter. They can only hold this thing up for so long. Well, and again, I keep reminding people,

this is a guy who only won 78,000 votes. See, everybody keeps focusing on, oh, his 43%. He only won by 78,000. And if you break that down, Clinton, Hillary Clinton did not go to Wisconsin, which was idiotic. You get voter ID. Then you get Pennsylvania and Michigan. And so literally, if you now start looking at what Democrats have been able to do, no, what black folks were able to do, followed by Democrats in North Carolina. Now you've got Congressman Mark Meadows,

Freedom Caucus, announcing today he's not running. Why? Because they broke the gerrymandering. And now they are afraid to run in competitive districts. Same thing with Mark Walker. So in North Carolina, of course, they finally fixed the map

to some degree. So now these people are resigning. North Carolina A&T is now in the Washington district. But again, what you're not dealing with is that Obama won in North Carolina by 14,000 votes. Romney wins in 2012. Trump wins in 2016. North Carolina could very well be definitely in play in 2020 like it was in 2008 because of the work of Reverend Barber,

Moral Mondays, NAACP, Democracy North Carolina, all those folks. And so that's why I keep trying to tell people, y'all keep talking about his base, but he only won by 78,000 votes in three states. Well, they're outnumbered and they know they're outnumbered.

Obviously, Hillary, I mean, I know that obviously we know the Electoral College is the thing, but obviously she won by almost three million more votes. That would tell you that there's a huge problem in the Republican Party, because if you go back to 2000, obviously Al Gore and that whole, I mean, Gore basically won, right? So they're barely able to get by. In fact, and Gore just won his home state. Right. He's president. Right. They're barely able to get by. In fact, and Gore just won his home state. He's president. Right.

They're only able to get by on voter suppression. Which is now what they're doing now. Look at Georgia. The story you're going to talk today. That's right. I mean, now you can see the battleground states that are coming up now. Georgia, the purge. We're seeing these.

And so, Lauren, it's very important that point you're making. Because when you see what the GOP is doing, they know they can't win. Right. So they're not funding the census. But now we see millions of dollars in states that need to be having their account right or they're spending money now. This country could very much fracture. We can't take four more years of Trumpism because the GOP is stacking the federal judiciary. One of the reasons Democrats probably didn't go to court is because these judges were slowing...

13 this week. While all this was going on. Now, as interesting as that, there's a debate tonight in Loyola Marymount University, the last Democrat debate in 2019, but judicial nominations hasn't come up in a single damn debate. There'll be no black candidates on stage tonight.

We talked about this last night, Melanie, and we have to deal with this in reality. If you study 1972 to present day, black folks have rarely gotten behind black candidates. Right, right. That's true, that's true. And we're strategic with our vote. We are.

We don't just vote for you because of your color. We vote for you because you're going to address our issues. And they can play with it all they want to. And so I keep saying to the Democratic Party, look, you know, I was in a room the other day with some of my white sisters, right, just having a conversation, and it brought up the 53% again. I'm like, y'all got to fix that.

That's on y'all. Y'all got to fix that. Yes. But the burden of saying that black women have to carry it, and of course, more brothers vote in the right way, y'all going to make that happen in 2020. Absolutely. Right?

But it's real simple. All right? Yes. We have to. No question. Right now, Trump has an approval rating of 42% among white women. If 42% of white women support Donald Trump in 2020, a drop of 11%, he's toast.

Mm-hmm. Right. White women, that's on y'all. Don't come hollering at us. That's on y'all. So I need all your white women to get together and y'all in groups. Don't come talk to us.

Because it is about conversation. And that was my thing. You've got to talk to your cousins. You've got to talk to your cousins. You've got to talk to your relatives. You've got to, if you believe that this thing needs to change and that you believe your issue is not just to make sure white people

stay in power, white men stay in power, your sons stay in power, and you want to see your daughters have more opportunity, then that's on you, respectfully. And then, Roland, the Democratic Party not having a diverse imagery is problematic.

And so to be able to stay with a process that you end up finding out before you had the first vote that you're looking, and then your asset, you're holding on the process. As opposed to what is your asset? They're holding on to process. Chairman Perez. As opposed to what is your asset. Chairman Perez.

They need to change that by January. When he set up the process, several months ago, he should have held two at-larges in his pocket. So you have the criteria, and let's say it's however many people, seven people. Oh, and they're two at-larges. And it'll be Senator Booker and whoever else you want.

Here's the deal, though. At-larges. And it'll be Senator Booker and whoever else you want. Well, here's the deal, though. They're at-larges. Why? Well, if diversity, if you're worried about what the stage is going to look like, from some standpoint, hey, he set up the process.

Folks didn't make it. This is who it is. The problem with Cory Booker is he's at 1% and 2%. That's the problem. So I wish he was on stage because what he talks about I want to hear about.

But he's at one or two percent. The other thing we have to admit is Elizabeth Warren is talking about our issues. And we shouldn't ignore the fact that Elizabeth Warren is talking about issues because just because she's a white candidate doesn't mean we should pretend that she's not. She's talking about our issues. But Lauren, but hold on, hold on. But Cory Booker has to admit he's at two percent. And I like a whole lot of them. I'm not anybody's camp.

But when we were in Atlanta, that last debate, if it wasn't for Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, those two, our issues would not have been, it had not truly been. I'm not saying that people aren't doing it on the fringes. Warren brought up redlining, which nobody talks about. And that's fine. Nobody.

So that was something we never heard at a debate ever. I'm not saying she doesn't deal with it. I'm saying when you went in-depth, it was the two black people that went in-depth. And so at the end of the day, when we're saying that this country is the browning of America and all these kinds of things,

it does matter. And allow the people to vote. But if he's not getting the support, he's not getting the support. But we got to put it on the table, though. Even if you look at South Carolina, the four minority candidates were below 5%. And black people will be more than half of the folks voting in that primary.

Here's what I think. It really behooves us to listen to the folks who have studied this. That's why I turned to all three of these folks here and I asked. And yourself. Well, no, but I mean, but for me, because working on the ground and then being part of the Democratic Party apparatus. I think about Jackson in 88. There was no nominee going into Atlanta. And when Jackson released his delegates, part of the tradeoff was we get to get in this DNC and work it.

And so that's when your father emerged, Brother Brown. That's when you see these super delegates kind of reigning. And I'm thinking, it's part of our strategy. Older black folk, like my mom and age now, they just want to beat Trump. And so thinking about that white person logic, they thinking, y'all not going to vote for white people, they ain't going to vote for white, for black

person or brown person or yellow person. We need to figure out which white man going to beat Trump. So younger blacks, I was going to say, Bernie Sanders meanwhile, got a lot of young sisters. I see these young sisters and they started an HBCU tour. There may be a generational debate, but I think, that's why I turn and I ask, is this black people saying, how do we be Trump?

And it doesn't have to look like me in order to be Trump. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Hold on, hold on. Don't let it be a distraction. Hold on, hold on. In this right now, it's a distraction. This has to be put on the table.

Because you mentioned 88 superdelegates. Yes. Let me be real clear with y'all. Bernie Sanders had the rules changed in 2016 because he was angry

the superdelegates were backing Hillary Clinton. Let me explain to a lot of black folks who don't know. It was Reverend Jackson, Dr. Ron Walters, Ron Brown, Harold Ickes, the four of them who got together, got the rules changed, then expanded superdelegates, which expanded black representation. Now, let me unpack that. Had, let me unpack that, had the superdelegates rules been in place this year, guess who would still be in the race?

Come on, brother. Senator Kamala Harris. Who would likely be polling better? Senator Cory Booker. So, there were black people. She ran out of money, though, didn't she? No, no, no.

Actually, she did. There were black people who were outside of the party who were like, that's right, Bernie, that's right, Bernie, who did not understand that black power had increased with the change in superdelegates. Michael, that's one of those things that people on the outside didn't realize what your dad and Reverend Jackson and Walters did on the inside that caused black power to be larger than it was before. Though, when they put that together, clearly Reverend was rising up and running for president. But it was also for the future,

to give black folks power at the seat at the table. Because if you have superdelegates, you can sit at the table and say, wait a minute, I got some power and some juice. You can't just run the table. Now, that's what I'm worried about. This primary season can stretch all the way to the convention. And you can get mad all y'all want to.

But the superdelegate process prevents a Mike Bloomberg from coming in and dropping $100 million in two weeks. Because he can't collect. He can't collect delegates. See, that's... And so, the anger that y'all don't want to deal with, there were a lot of black Democrats who were angry because Sanders wasn't a Democrat

and went back. Changed the rules and still wouldn't call himself a Democrat. Even, look, the stories from Obama saying, look, the man ain't a Democrat. But again, it's one of those things that people not understanding the inner workings of power.

Now, Professor, excuse me one second, Professor T. Rhodes, I was with a group of senior African-American women the other day. And they were talking about, you know, they were like, you know what? Obama could have picked anybody to be his vice president. Anybody, you could have picked any governor, any senator,

any member of Congress, former cabinet secretary. He picked Joe Biden. That's good enough for me. Well, we understand. If he can beat Trump, and that's what they're saying. Don't disagree, but we also, and this is again why it's so important. Obama is not of the genealogy of Shirley Chisholm or Ron Walters or Ron Brown or Jesse Jackson.

And in many ways, what we see with 88 is a— And hold up. Hold up before you— No, please. And when you say genealogy, you're not talking about his bloodlines. I'm not talking about bloodlines at all. You're speaking of political— I'm talking about political genealogy. Genealogy.

I'm sorry. Yes, he is the beneficiary of that. And, in fact, you talked about it on air, the death of Richard Hatcher is something we need to impact even more because it was 72. Gary, in many ways, it sets the blueprint for what ends up in 88. And if you look backward from 72, that's exactly right. And if you look backward from 72, eight years, it's Fannie Lou Hamer on the delegate challenge in 64 in Atlantic City that starts the ball rolling towards 72. Why do we say all this is important here in 2019?

We're in it now. Tom Perez is in it now. These young people who don't know the history are in it now. And these elders, these black people, and Melanie, you've been charting this for so long. We've got to make some serious decisions because four more years of Trump

could see a fracture in this national experiment called the United States that can't be put back together, because California and New York are not going to carry Mississippi and Alabama in there much longer. If you want to run this, you'll have a smaller place to run, and I just don't know what is going to unfold in the wake of these next few months. So, Melanie, what has to happen

tonight, now, okay, since black folks didn't support Senator Harris, let's just be honest, not supporting Senator Booker, now it's like, okay, since black folks didn't support Senator Harris, let's just be honest, not supporting Senator Booker, now it's like, okay, fine. If it's going to be Biden, Warren, Sanders, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, what y'all going to do? Bring your A-game.

What y'all going to do? Bring your A-game, and we need to hear the issues that are matter to us. It's like, we've been voting for more white presidents since our last check. You know, so it's not going to show up. It's not new to us. And so that's the pressure for those

who are still in the race, that you better speak to it. You better. And at the end of the day, you know, Ron, what we're doing, and I know I got to go Go ahead. Final comment. Go ahead. Go take care of a little family. But at the end of the day, I'm excited because I think these young people are... Who's registering to vote? More than anybody are young people. Come on now.

It's just if they can stay the course and deal with it and follow the power that they have, they can change this whole game. Because it's not just about 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It's about who is going to be controlling that U.S. Senate. Last roll of the course. In Roland and I have talked about this, Professor, I think we've talked about it. The key for young people, too, is if their candidate does not win,

they've got to keep staying in the game. They can't be frustrated like Bernie's folks after the primary in 16. They didn't come out. So those folks have to hold – if they have to hold their nose, they've got to stay engaged. Own that power. All right. Mellie Kim, we appreciate it.

Thanks a lot. And see you all in the 2020 decade. All right. Absolutely. All right, folks. We've got to go to a break. We'll be back at Roller Martin Unfiltered. You wanna check out Roller Martin Unfiltered?

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out of Los Angeles where Chris Darden, best known for prosecuting O.J. Simpson, is now representing Ed Buck, the Democratic donor, accused of supplying fatal doses of narcotics to two black men who died in his West Hollywood apartment. Buck allegedly lured poor and vulnerable men to his apartment

with promises of party and play, meaning sex and drug use in exchange for money. He then injected them with doses of methamphetamine and led to ten of them overdosing, causing the deaths of two men, both who were black. But here's what it showed.

It is a piece. Unbelievable. If you get indicted, you're going to hire a piece. Unbelievable. If you get indicted, you're gonna hire a lawyer. Right. Is it a big deal that Chris Darden's taking the case? Yes. Why?

Because you've gotta be careful when you have a client-based business whose case you take, because, frankly, your branding is wrapped up in that question. And when you take the case of somebody accused of what he's accused of, obviously, this is alleged,

innocent until proven guilty, due process. I totally believe in that. But your branding does matter, and the cases you take, and the people that you represent matter, even as an attorney. And I'm saying this as somebody who believes in due process. White attorneys have represented mobsters. I get it. They represent all kinds of different people. They have been celebrated as celebrity lawyers. Yeah, and he prosecuted the OJ.

No, no, no. So let's be real about where... But I'm still asking the question, Greg and Mike, simple. Okay, white attorneys take cases all the time. Yeah. People don't question their whiteness. Oh, you shouldn't do it. And they are held up as all these great lawyers.

Well, because whiteness is the default position for humanity in this country, Roman. So of course they're held up as all these great lawyers well because white whiteness is the default position for humanity in this country so of course their whiteness won't be challenged but you know and as you say Lauren I mean here's a man who prosecuted OJ now in black communities we know we saying oh well you know OJ maybe did it made him but you looking at Chris Darden like you the police now he's in private practice and like you said, he's got a client-based community. But whether it's Chris Darden as an attorney, whether it's Will Hurd who gave this mumbly, pummeling thing yesterday and then voted not to impeach Trump, or whether it's going to be Senator Tim Scott

in South Carolina, when it comes to black vote, when we see you and we say you black, we expect you to behave politically the way you present phenotypically. And that simply is not the case in the United States. And you're telling me of all the cases you can take with all these guys represented by the Innocence Project and these three guys who just got out in Baltimore, he takes that case? I mean, of all the—see, when you're an attorney, you have a wide, vast degree of decisions you can make about what type of clients you can have. But here's the piece, though.

That's right. If someone is coming to you and they're paying, again, though... There are other people out there that need representation. But here's the question, though, Mike. If an attorney not named Chris Darden took this case, are we discussing this? Is it a big deal?

Probably not. I mean, clearly, and I've been fortunate enough to have been in law firms, and the standard with black folks is obviously different than, you know, your white counterparts. So the standard is always going to be different. I'll give an example. There was an unnamed particular Arab country that wanted to be represented at a particular firm. Some black folks were bringing it in, and the senior partner said, of course, I'm not saying any names, senior partner said, just keep in mind, if you do that, it could impact some of our Jewish clients. Interesting. And so just keep that in mind,

they better pay you enough that I don't even know if you may, you'll be able to work on other projects and this could be it. So I don't know if if you'll be able to work on other projects and this could be it. So I don't know if the same conversation would have happened with a white colleague. I don't know. I'm not saying any names, of course. You think Buck is paying him. Given what you've just said, there is an X factor involved, isn't there? What does his client base look like right now?

And is Buck renting a chick big enough for him to hold his nose? Okay, so flip this. So flip this. So flip this. Ed Buck, white Democratic donor, indicted, supplying drugs, did the two black gay men. Okay.

So, do we say the same thing if a black woman is representing R. Kelly? Ooh. If a black woman... There were people who were mad at Monique Presley for being one of the attorneys representing Bill Cosby. Sure.

Okay, so what? If a white woman was representing Bill Cosby? In fact, a white woman did. Didn't have the same criticism. No, of course not. So, what are we actually saying to black attorneys? We're saying that... We're going to decide who you're going to represent? We're saying that we're gonna decide who you get to

represent we're saying the intersectionality is a nice academic construct and a fiction race is the single most powerful determinant of how we view each other in this society no white woman doesn't matter Gloria Alford can come out and represent all the victims and the minute Monique Presley says well this man deserves a vigorous defense oh hell no I mean what about gender no the only thing that Gloria Alfred and Monique Presley share is they happen to be female but Monique is a black female race is always the determinant let me tell you something right now if my ass in trouble I'm gonna try to hire the best damn person I can and if I was no no of OJ how many Chris Darlin cases

have you followed look all I know is no no no no okay answer the question OJ was out there any loss I mean one case no that's true rolling you But wait a minute. No, that's true, Roland. But wait a minute. That was a biggie. But the other piece is, that's one case. You don't even know any other cases. It's a defining case. You don't even know. That's a defining case. But you also don't even know who else he defended. The dude was guilty and Chris Darden lost.

But you also don't even know who he defended. And here's the other deal. That's true. The guy who allegedly killed Nipsey Hussle? Yeah. They hired Chris Darden. Yeah, they did. Black folks said, you can't represent him.

Now, what we're saying here, now hold up. So, Darden can't represent a black man who allegedly killed Nipsey Hussle. Now he can't represent a white man who killed, allegedly killed two black gay men. Well, who the hell can he represent? It's the politics of race. I mean, it's the politics of race, of course.

I don't even know that it's just race. No, no, but it's not just race. We just watched Pete Buttigieg. People demanded that he give the money back from the firm, from the attorneys of the firm, representing a MeToo case, which was Kavanaugh. Oh, well, you need to give that money back. No, no, no.

All right, now, obviously, it's going to be just the worst way on us. But the first one, he had to get the money back for the lawyer who worked to not release the Laquama Donald tape. Mm-hmm. That was race. Mm-hmm, absolutely. Absolutely. for the lawyer who worked to not release the Laquan McDonald tape. That was race. Absolutely. Wait a minute. Did we just skip over the example I just gave?

No. I don't know. I need y'all to answer my question. He couldn't represent the black man who allegedly killed Nipsey Hussle. Now he can't represent Ed Buck. Okay, who can represent? You are who? You live in a branding world. You are a lot of times who you represent who can you represent no question he should be able to represent he

should be able to represent three people he should be able to represent who wants to represent now in the oj case he also lost to a better black lawyer and that's that's the issue for black people no no nothing about the law it was like this black dude is with us and that black dude with the pole Single person watching right now if yo it was your way Was on the line You will sit here and say I'm gonna try to get the best person who I can get with my money. And that would not be Chris Darden. You don't care what I think, Lauren might think, you're going to tell all of us to kiss your ass because you're trying to stay out of jail.

That's true. As simple as that. I'll bet you Chris Darden is the only attorney that guy could get. How about that? Alright, I'll bet you he has trouble finding an attorney to defend him in that case. Interesting. Because a lot of people won't just First of all, defense attorneys right there are hard to find. First of all, we don't even know that.

You don't even know that. Let me tell you, Chris Darden is the best defense attorney in this country, really? First of all, he's in L.A. Since when has Chris Darden been a good defense attorney? Since when do we think... But you don't even know his cases! Since when do we think of Chris Darden

when we think of defense attorneys? Do you think of Chris Darden when you think of defense attorneys? Do you think of Chris Darden when you think of defense attorneys? No, I'm asking you. Do you think of Chris Darden when you think of defense attorneys? Guess what? I don't know. I'm not in L.A. That's not who you would pick as a defense attorney. I'm not in L.A. Darden came out of the practice of law. Maybe he's writing novels

and things like that. But I mean, this is an interesting thing you raised. So who's your? Marty Singer? All I know is Chris Darden is not coming tomorrow when I think of his first earnings. But you're not in L.A. In the first paragraph of what you laid out. Are you in L.A.? No. Do I have to be in L.A. to know that Chris Darden lost one of the biggest cases of the last century in this country?

You're talking about the case in the 90s. Which he did. He lost the OJ case. Let me ask you again. He lost the OJ case. Let me ask you again, Lauren. You can try to trap me if you want. Lauren, I'm not trying to trap you.

You're not going to answer my question. Do you know of a single client who Chris Gardner defended? Do you think of Chris Gardner? Yes or no? Do you think of Chris Gardner? Yes or no? Do you know a single client who he defended? Do you think of Chris Gardner when you think of defense attorneys?

First of all, Chris Gardner. No. The answer is no. Here's the deal. First of all, let's be real clear. So my answer for you is no. Let me answer again. My answer for you is no.

Let me answer again. Are both answers or no? I don't know of a single defense client that he's represented. You don't either. Oh, please. You don't know the outcome of a single case involving Chris Dunn when he defended a client.

Oh, my God. So how can you make a judgment... And so he's the best defense attorney in the United States? No, no, no. He's my question. How can you make a judgment on his job as a defense attorney when you don't know one case? So you know, tell us about Chris Darden. No, I'm asking you.

No, I'm asking you. That's like saying, that's like saying, that's like saying, I'm going to make a judgment on your writing style. I ain't never read your stuff. Tell us how great Chris Darden is. No, run, run. I'm a judge. Tell us how great Chris Darden is. I'm a judge on what kind how great Chris Darden is.

What kind of professor Greg Carr is, but I ain't never seen you teach. Tell us how great Chris Darden is. How many cases has he won? You're not answering. You don't know either. Lauren, I'm saying I don't know, but you are making judgments on stuff you know nothing about.

I know he lost the biggest case in the last 50 years. The OJ case is not just one case. I Googled Chris Darden cases. Here we go, the facts. All right. If you believe in Google, the first thing is that he represents Buck. Of course. I'm scrolling down, scrolling down, and then the next thing is OJ.

Right. Why? And why is that? Because unless it's a major celebrity or whatever, you don't know. But Ron, I think you may when you led this story, I think this may be the thing. Are we looking at the wrong side for emphasis? In other words,

it isn't that it's Chris Darden specifically. It's that there's a black lawyer who's defending somebody who harmed black people. And I think maybe it's the Darden specifically, it's that there's a black lawyer who's defending somebody who harmed black people. And I think maybe it's the defense of who this guy is that's the issue. I mean, take Harvey Weinstein for example. Why isn't Harvey Weinstein

leading the news? Why? Because Oprah Winfrey, who has gotten Michael Jackson's accusation on HBO, being R. Kelly, now has another episode coming out. Why? Black people care when black people are harmed. When it's a white person, yes. Now, Chris Darden may not be important.

Why is he the name we're talking about? Because he has a name. If it were ex-anonymous black attorney. So what about that? Depending on this white man. That's true. That's true. And guess what?

And all those white students at Harvard. Yes. Who went after the black attorney. No, that's right. No, that's right. He was on the team of Harvey Weinstein. Yes. Right. Now. white students at Harvard yes who went after the black now I don't know the clients who Chris Dardenne represented I't. I can't say what kind of attorney he is. What I can say is this.

You can hire whoever the hell you want. As a black lawyer, you should be able to do the same thing white lawyers do. You've got white lawyers out there who have become multi-millionaires, who have represented mobsters, and who have represented mobsters and celebrities,

have represented people on trial for sexual assault. And you know what? Folks say, guess what? Cool. But it's interesting how we want to have a higher standard for black lawyers, just like we have a higher standard for black politicians and a higher standard for black folks in all these areas. And so what is it about us where we're saying,

how dare you, but if a celebrity white attorney, if Marsha Clark was hired by him, what would we be saying? Nothing. Well, I mean, you're raising something important. Here's the thing. Well, the attorneys do have sort of a different profession in that they do get to choose who they work with a little bit more than, say, a politician.

Okay? We all do. Let's be real. If you want to build a boutique law firm around defending people who are innocent or around defense, you know, defending, like, this type of case, you can do that. So I just feel like he is making a choice. Again, your point is well taken. Bruce Cutler made a choice bruce cutler but we have a lot of people well-known mobster lawyer who's a multi-millionaire and it's not

like it's not like white folks are saying bruce how dare you you defeated john gotty well guess what he was on 60 minutes we have a lot of people who who do choose to do a type of law. So are we as black people holding black attorneys to a higher standard and we say nothing? I love how you say black attorneys, right? I'm talking about Chris Darden. And you only talk about one person. Because I know a lot of black attorneys that bust their ass for no money, not getting paid, representing people who are innocent. Okay? So Chris Darden is one thing.

Black attorneys is another. I know black attorneys who represent people who are guilty. Who are guilty. That's what I was going to say. I went to law school with, and in fact, I went to law school with a lot of folks who are practicing law now who have made a life and a career of representing people, black women and men, who are near indigent or indigent, who may have been hustling weed, herb,

may have, yeah, in other words, who may be technically guilty. But I do think the point you're raising is very important. Yes, we hold our people to a higher standard. The question I have, and I've never heard you say that we shouldn't hold that high standard. The challenge is that we don't hold other people to the same high standard.

We hold our people. And therein lies the difference between how black people have navigated this criminal enterprise called the United States and the way other people have navigated it. Because they don't care. And it's the same damn thing I say when black people will watch some trash ass reality shows on

Bravo and We, but if TV One put it on and BET put it on, we'll shut it down. So the point is here, I don't give a damn who Chris Darden represents. I really don't. I don't know who he's representing. I don't know what his one loss record is. What I'm not going to do is say he's not a good lawyer because of one case, O.J.

Because guess what? If Marsha Clark got hired, folks wouldn't be saying a damn thing. You know why? Because a white woman will get the pass. Right. But we are saying, you know, he black, he shouldn't. I say torture them both. I'm telling you right now, when you got to hire your ass lawyer,

you don't care what nobody outside think. That's the reality. Talk about Georgia, folks. Secretary of State has removed hundreds of thousands of registered voters that were classified as inactive from its voting rolls, even though there was a legal challenge from a voting rights group to block the purge

of a portion of the name's Fair Fight Action, a voting rights organization founded by Stacey Abrams, filed an emergency motion in federal court on Monday, challenging the removal of a portion of a list. Your district judge, Steve Jones, denied that motion. Here's the deal. The Supreme Court ruled in the Ohio case that this is legal. They did. And it was a white man in Ohio who

filed that. This is one of those things where what people believe in voting are going to have to do, we all have access to the list. The list has the names of the people, has the addresses. What we're going to have to do,

and I do this all the time, I register every year. Y'all ain't saying I moved. That's interesting. We're going to have to, it's going to have to be a process to where you are constantly being registered because they're going to play these games.

That actually is not a bad tactic, Roland, because, I mean, this again, which is why when you're replacing the federal bench, this is where the war is going to be fought in the next 20 years. 50. Stacey Abrams should be the governor of Georgia because Brian Kemp stole the election

by being the secretary of state and engaging in this behavior. They now realize that Georgia is a battleground state. They're trying to get ahead of this 2020 vote. And so that actually is not a bad idea. Black folks register every year. So, take this off the page. Don't assume.

Look, it's a card. Fill it out. There you go. Wow. When you register, re-register your car. It's automatic. You can do that. And these are defensive on the suppression issues.

Also, when you go to vote, and if it's confusing, you have every right to ask for a provisional ballot. You get that provisional ballot, you fill it out, yes, it goes in another box. What's your experience with provisional ballots? Because they told that on me about three years ago in Maryland, and I vote every year. They gave me a provisional ballot,

I said, well, y'all giving me a provisional ballot? Oh, you weren't on the rolls? But I vote every year, in the same place. You got purged somehow. Do they count these ballots only? Only if it's within a certain percentage of the – It depends on the state, but it depends on a certain percentage of the win. Registered.

Otherwise, it just stays in that box with just on it. But at least you have voted and you have – and there can be legal challenges. I mean, it's like – but if you don't fill out the ballot at all, there is definitely no chance for him. Right, right. Well, and again, look, folks. I like that re-registering. I mean, as simple as this here. They know what's coming.

No question. There's a deliberate plan. Mitch McConnell has already said it. They are articulating. Their plan is simple. We want to control. They know that there's no law on the city level, on the county level, on the state level, on the federal level that cannot be challenged. That's true.

And so their goal is to say, yeah, we're about to lose some states. So why are they doing gerrymandering? Hold on the power. Senator Corbyn. Voter suppression. Hold on the power. Senator Corbyn. All this, hold on the power.

And that's the piece. Senator Corbyn. Because you can't vote on federal judges. How about that? On federal judges. Senator Corbyn. It ain't there for life. Yes.

And so we better understand linking the federal court to who we vote for. That's right. See, that's the piece where these Democrats had better bring it up. We sleep on that. And sound the alarm. Democrats. What are they talking about? Dude.

We sleep on that. Forever. And the crazy thing is, Democratic Party is idiotic because if it wasn't for the federal courts, not the Supreme Court and Brown 1 and 2. No. It was the lower courts that actually interpreted and enforced Brown 1 and 2. That's right. That's why the Republicans are still pissed because of the 64 Civil Rights Act, 65 Voting Rights Act, Fair Housing Act, because those federal judges used the Constitution to grant black folks

their rights. And I don't know what the hell Dems are doing not talking about it. Judge Tuttle at the district court level, Judge Damon Keith at the court of appeals level. The Supreme Court is the court of last resort. Most of these cases decided to spread. This guy in Georgia allowed this purge to continue. He's sitting on the federal bench,

but he's at the district court level. We have to understand this. You gotta link them. Democrats are not doing it. They never do. Democrats are televerting. We sleep on that. Democrats, you can't talk about climate change if they gonna sue.

Right, because you'll lose. And I think most of us are convinced that it's one of the reasons that they didn't... If you link it to climate change or PETA or something, animal rights or climate change, and then we might get some there's no they are taking federal regulations They're taking them to federal court. Right Republicans are saying y'all pass all laws. Y'all want to no questions We gonna have judges who are going to say nope, nope,

nope, and they're going to have them on the district level, the appellate level, Supreme Court, so they're going to say we're going to be able to block anything from the bottom to the top. I mean, when the sister came out and said, and ruled from the court and said that no president is above the law,

that should have sent a message to all. Do you see why it's important to have black people on the bench? This system was like, oh, no, you have to order, you have to answer this federal subpoena. And if you don't understand that, then you don't understand what's going on. These people have given up on voting. They're trying to hold the line, but they're stalking the bench

because it's the judge's law. McConnell did not let Obama do it, but Obama could have done a better job on the judgment. Oh, I'm not into Barack Obama at all. Barack Obama, right here, you heard it? Yeah. Obama should have appointed a black woman. No question.

Yeah. Obama should have appointed a black woman. He wouldn't have done that to a black woman. Obama should have appointed a black woman. Dr. King always said, you've got to have a protagonist and an antagonist. You can't have 109 white men, 109 justices in the history of the Supreme Court,

105 being white men, and then you appoint one. We ain't fighting for him. But if he had appointed a black woman, first in history, it would have set up protagonist antagonist right and it would have been hail on a gop for nine months that's right and then obama went to illinois and gave a speech and mocked those of us which i want me to do? Appoint a lesbian from Muskegee? Go look

it up. He did. That was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made. And I still believe, had he appointed a black woman, that would have been a major motivating factor for a lot of people in voting in

2016. You know the tragedy about this, Roland? I remember on your show, News 1 now, when Scalia died, I think in that next week, you had a panel of, and you said this, in other words,

Barack Obama. Because when Scalia died on Friday, I called Melanie Campbell, Leah Daughtry, saying y'all need to have a meeting and y'all need to release a public letter calling for him to appoint a black. Yes.

I was in Toronto at the NBA All-Star game. Hell yeah, I did. Just getting back to how we treat each other differently, how we treat black people differently. We have different standards. We did it with Obama in the other direction, right? So we revered him so much. We didn't put any pressure. We do it with Obama.

Well, some people do. Yeah, we didn't put any pressure on him So he just kind of did whatever and he needed he was the guy that you had to make him do it if ever saw Okay, and so he just didn't and you just see the part It's also party like the the Republicans get in power. They understand how to wield power. They understand what power is. And they exert it. I'm still not happy. Two women are alleged to have been victims of mortgage fraud in Pierce, Georgia County, Maryland. The scheme was used by the same man in both cases.

Patricia Duckett said a friend referred her to William Whalen after she lost one of her two jobs and knew she needed to reduce her mortgage payments. Duckett said Whalen told her he was an attorney and she paid him more than seven grand to refinance her mortgage. What she didn't know, it's illegal nationwide for someone to charge

you up for mortgage services. Her home went into foreclosure and was sold in an auction. Another woman whose home went into foreclosure, luckily the bank worked with her and she paid this man $2,000. Folks, I need y'all to understand something. If anybody

tells you I can help you refinance your home and stop paying your mortgage, run. They're lying. That's a part of the reason why black folks lost 53% of our wealth during the home foreclosure crisis. We have to have the information. There are people who prey on us because they prey on our lack of knowledge, Greg. Absolutely. I mean, you know, Roland,

and particularly our, you know, we got elderly, my mother is elderly in Nashville. If I have a penny for every flyer that comes to our little house in Nashville, try and get these old people beating them out with reverse mortgages and everything. And of course my mother knows. It's like a lot of elders because they have family.

But what happens when that person is isolated? The Washington Post ran this series here in D.C. where people losing their houses because they said they got property tax, they owe $2. And you look up and your house has been flipped. We have to be especially vigilant now in this age of gentrification.

It's wealth. That's right. And also what you just said is there's a house in my family in Brooklyn that's pretty, you know, valuable. And my grandmother, before she passed away, she passed away at 99 a few years ago. She used to get calls every single day over that house.

And now we've got people coming over all the time, asking about it, asking for it. Oh, they call me and text me up. My house in Texas. I go, nope. Exactly. Hell no. Nope. Because when you have that wealth and you have that house, as you've said a lot of times, you're controlling somebody else's economics.

Don't get rid of real estate. Because you have got them paying your mortgage, them paying rent to you, them paying Airbnb. Or, or, or my parents, both 72, still in very good health, but they're living rent-free. My sister and her daughter are living in the house rent-free. I just pay the taxes every year. So the point is, I am able to help two generations of my family be able to live and build what they're

doing without having to pay $1,000 or $1,200 a month. And that's why that's important. And all that money they're not spending on rent and mortgage or taxes is going right into them. Here's the challenge on the gentrification. The challenge is, okay, family owns a

house, no mortgage left on it because they've been paying for 30 years, they go off to heaven. The kids who don't live in that area get the phone call of $600,000 for your house. How do you say, it's hard. I've gotten that phone call, but see,

technology and Airbnb in particular is starting to fix that. Because you don't necessarily have to be there. And you should never get rid of property. You almost should never get rid of property. When I did the Black America deal, the Howard Theater for National Urban League, this is what I said to Marc Morial. I'm tired of having gentrification conversations.

There was a black couple in Atlanta that did a seven-day crowdfunding campaign and created, I think it was called the Tulsa Fund. They raised $9.7 million for a crowdfunding campaign for real estate. What I keep telling black people, y'all, if we know the properties are for sale,

hell, guess what? We can pool resources. We can begin to acquire property. I just i'm just i'm just like i'm sorry i'm not i'm tired of having gentrification conversations they're not tied to okay are we gonna buy the property that's right there are 1300 buildings in dc one building all downtown is black-owned. How about that? That's the black women. Black women. That's a big room of women.

That's right. Don't sleep on the cloud of the moon. Although CBC owns that building on Mass Ave. They own that building on Mass Ave. The foundation, Congressional Black Caucus Foundation. The townhouse? And there's still some black churches, Metropolitan AME.

Yeah, that's right. You, Beroldi, you're making a very important point. We have to think. And this isn't something that you're talking about that's theoretical. We don't look forward in time for the solution. We look backward in time. If you look at during enslavement, Davis, Bend, Mississippi, and the Sea Islands,

you had black people come out of enslavement to figure out a way to put enough money together to buy some land. So don't just think that this is all we can't do. No, we've done it before. Oh, gosh. That's my point. That's my point. All right, y'all, real quick here, finally today.

We remember Herman Boone, who passed away Wednesday at his home in Alexandria, Virginia, at the age of 84. He was a high school football coach who inspired the 2000 film, Remember the Titans. Bunch of tough guys you look like a bunch of fifth grade sissies after a cat fight you got anger that's good you're gonna need it son you got aggression that's even better you're gonna need that too but any little two-year-old child can throw a fit. Football is about controlling that anger, harnessing that aggression into a team effort to achieve perfection. Some coaches,

they cut a player if they think he's not up to snuff, when they think he's hurting the team. This is a public school program I will never ever cut a player who comes out to play for me but when you put that uniform on that Titan uniform you better come to work we will be perfect in every aspect of the game

you drop a pass you run a mile you miss a blocking assignment you run a mile you fumble the football and I will break my foot off in your John Brown hind parts. And then you will run a mile. Perfection!

And folks, he was one of the speakers at APB Speakers Bureau here, and here's what they have on their YouTube channel with Herman Boone. What happened to the team's coach after the movie was over?

Here, the rest of the story. It was the end to a perfect season. But this game was about more than just football. For the T.C. Williams Titans, it was a victory for social change that was the end of the movie but what's the rest of the story whatever happened to the Titans and their coach Herman Boone played by actor Denzel Washington I'm in touch with them every single day every single day I get an email from one or

two of them Herman Boone continued coaching for nine more seasons and never had a losing team. But in 1981, he left coaching burnt out from all the pressure. Boone was only 46. Coaching at T.C. Williams is not an easy job. You're going to have to win. And the stress and the pressures put on you there

are just horrific. The Titans continue to be a force in football, but in the late 1980s and 90s, the program slipped. Emphasis started to be placed on other areas. Girls' athletics, soccer, and other non-revenue-making sports began to take the spotlight. You can tell whoever threw this brick through my window,

they can come visit me anytime. While the movie captured the racial tensions of the early 70s, today T.C. Williams is a model of ethnic diversity. We don't have a racial situation there now. We've been able to attract kids from over 84 nations and marvel in the fact of how well they get along. It's a message that Herman Boone emphasizes

when he speaks to schools across the country. You pick this ball up, you run every one of them. Now 73, Herman Boone admits he isn't the same hard-driving fanatic portrayed in the movie, but he does have one demand that he absolutely insists upon. I've had about 20 different artists recorded to play all day long at my funeral, my way. I stood tall. I took the blows. And I did it my way.

Herman Boone survived by his wife and three daughters. He probably left us with that phrase, are you, son, are you outside your mind? All right, folks, I've got to go. I've got to catch a plane. I'm headed to Accra, Ghana. We're going to be, of course, in three cities. I've got a crew that we're shooting all over the place.

And so my sister, so y'all think, you just have this shirt here. So I actually had this made up. So you see the back of the shirt? Yes, sir. There it is. It's on the back. The year of return. So I actually had this made up. So you see the back of the shirt? Yes, sir. There it is. It was here on the back. The year of return.

So y'all see me in Ghana. Y'all see this shirt here. Jamal Bryant's like, I got to get one of those. You got to pay for it, Jamal. So all right, folks. I appreciate it. Y'all have a great Christmas.

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