#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 1.6 RMU: Miss. prison riots; AI to disrupt Black workers; Can Dem candidate oust Sen. Lindsey Graham

Episode Date: January 16, 2020

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Rioting, escapes, sub-human living conditions, and several folks who have died in the past couple of weeks will have talked with folks on the ground, including the parent of someone who was in one of those prisons. A new report shows that artificial intelligence will replace a number of African Americans in the workforce. What in the hell is going on, and what can we do about it? Also, if the amount of money raised is any indication,

Jamie Harrison just might be able to give Lindsey Graham a real run for his money in South Carolina. We'll explain also on today's show. Yep, another crazy-ass white person, this time who works for a pizza place, pissed off about his tip. And also, millions turn out in Iran for the funeral of one of their top generals.

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In Mississippi, prison inmates have taken to social media asking, pleading for help. In the last week, five inmates have died during riots. Inmates say it was started by the prison guards who themselves are gang members. They were also able to get this video out showing the deplorable conditions at one prison called Parchman Prison. Man, them folks took us us out of 29 man. MSP 29 man put us in 32 condemned this motherfucker been condemned 10 year man.

Look at the flow man. And they just up and put us in hell man. Look at the flow. All the water in the flow man. You trying to flood out. Look at the mealew everywhere, man On the things Ain't no running water

Mildew everywhere Paint coming out of the wall, bro Mildew everywhere Black mold, man That's black mold You can't even breathe that shit in, man Look at the paint, bro Look at this shit

This shit condemned, bro We ain't got no running water We ain't ate And we ain't got no running water we ain't eight and we ain't in 10 hours man get cold as a man look at all that black mold man ain't nobody got no man ain't nobody got no mass no matter bro we're sleeping on straight concrete man no man man. Look at the guy. No man. No power No power none of that water everyone

What is no water man no toothbrush, no running water, no nothing. Look at the water on the floor, man. Ain't nobody here got water. Look at all this water on the floor, man. We ain't got no phone to call out to nobody. We can't get a wild phone. Look at the mold on that man. We ain't got no shower.

Man, I've been through those. Man, I've been through those. Man, I've been through those. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. The shower ain't got no water, man. What's up, man? What's up, man? Shower ain't got no water, man. We ain't took no shower since we been here.

Man, show it out here. No running water, man. I ain't seen no. What's up? Where you looking at, man? What's up, man? Man, look at me. I'll do every one, man.

What's up, man? What's up, man? Who in the town? What they doing? What's up, man? What's up, man? What's up, man? What's up, man? What's up, man? What's up, man? What's up, man? Go inside. What are you doing? Benny Thompson, he is the, of course,

the only African-American in Congress from Mississippi, sent this tweet out on yesterday. Go to my iPad, Henry. Tomorrow, I will be requesting that the U.S. Attorney General launch an investigation into the ongoing failures in safety, security, health, and environmental standards within the Mississippi Department of Corrections. This is unacceptable. Now, Mississippi's correctional system is on statewide lockdown as staff attempt to regain control of the prisons. Joining me right now to talk about what's happening in Mississippi is my son. He, of course, New York General,

a civil rights activist, Rekia Lumumba, executive director of the People's Advocacy Institute, and Amanda Hamilton, she is director of Mississippi Dreams Prison Family Support, also has a son incarcerated in Central Mississippi Correctional Facility. First off, I wanna start with you, Amanda.

What has your son told you about what is happening in the prison where he is being housed? Well, he is at, as you said, Central Mississippi Correctional Facility. So he is in a work zone. He works in the kitchen and feeds the inmates. So there's a lot of inmates locked down that have been brought to Central Mississippi Correctional Facility from other areas, specifically the high-ranking gang members.

And some of the stabbing or stabbed and injured victims are there with him. He says that now his pod went from 25, and I believe there's four different pods in his zone, and they're all packed now with 40 inmates to each area. Obviously, for the family members, they have to be concerned when you hear that five inmates have died in the past week. When you see that video, certainly that has to be shocking to you, or is it no shock? Is this what Mississippi prisons are often like? No shock here. It's been ready to implode for a while now. We've done several rallies.

We've cried out for years, and no one was listening. But they are now. And I also would like to talk about that video. Those guys are walking around in lockdown. How are they walking around? Guards are letting them. They're allowing them to walk around. They shouldn't be walking around. Guards are letting them. They're allowing them to walk around. They shouldn't be walking around. And we in Mississippi are going to reject the narrative that it's the gang's problem.

Rekia, I want to go to you. Your sense of what is happening in these prisons. Does the state even care about these prisons? Is this a war between inmates and prison guards? Yeah. So, so one, thank you for having us on today. I really appreciate Amanda jumping on to talk about her personal experience. Absolutely. Amanda is correct and has personal experience and can attest to that the conditions, the horrific conditions that people are living in behind these cages and these Mississippi prisons are the root cause of the violence that we're seeing now. It is the direct nexus between the two. Mississippi Department of Correction has for years been made aware through advocacy, through litigation held by the Southern Poverty Law Center and others,

and through direct action, protests, and different things like that of the horrific conditions inside of facilities, including the lack of medical treatment for people when they are injured, oftentimes requiring people incarcerated themselves to take care of the sick and the infirmed or the harmed, the hurt. And so at some point when you treat people like they're nothing or below even an animal and put them in conditions that are inhumane, at some point a person is going to break. I mean, that's just the bottom line. And they're going to try to create an opportunity to fix the situation for themselves. And so when we see gang violence happening in here,

it's a direct result of the inhumanity that is going, that inhumanity that is reflected upon how they're treated in the facilities. And the state knows about it. Really quickly to answer that part of your question, the state knows about the dangers that these horrific conditions have caused, about the violence that it has caused,

but let's be real, prisons are cash cows. And the more people they're able to house in the prisons, the more money that is able to be made. Mississippi has private prisons as well as public prisons. Right now Mississippi incarcerates over 19,000 people as of November 2019. My son, I wanna go to you there. You, Tamika Mallory and others have been

investigating this issue, talking about it. T.I. and others have been retweeting this video saying, gathering more information. What is your understanding of what's going on and what do you want folks watching to do? Yeah, thank you, Roland. Yeah, when you, Roland. Yeah, when I was, I was woken up by my sleep,

by a plethora of DMs with these pictures and these videos, you know, and being formerly incarcerated, understanding the dynamics that go on inside of prisons and understanding that this, what's going on in Mississippi is not new. If you remember, we had a similar situation in Brooklyn in the MDC prison where we had to protest just so they can get basic heat and just the basic rights. So when you look at this situation, it immediately reminded us of how the system,

the prison system itself is designed to just treat us like animals. When you listen to what the governor said today and how he just kept referring to the gang violence and the inmates are the problem, and then you look at where these people live, and then you ask yourself, how do you ask human beings to live in these conditions and not have some level of uprising? So we're prepared to go to Mississippi to uplift the people on the ground, like Rekia, like the other lady, I forgot her name, but we want to come there to support them. We want to lend our services. We want to lend our platform. We want to help uprise the voice of the people who've been on the ground fighting for this. These people have been doing

these things, and it's unfortunate that we have to look and see men dead, see men stabbed to death, see men living in conditions that animals wouldn't even live in, for people to start to pay attention. And then when you listen to the governor, it doesn't sound like he's paying attention to the dynamics of the prison that he's in charge of.

It sounds like he's focusing on the inmates and the prisoners who are engulfed and encaged in this rat-infested hell. So if we don't start to focus on a problem and see where these people live and see how that, you know, contributes to the violence,

that contributes to the anger. You know, when you surround someone with trash and mildew and things that make them feel worthless, then that's when you start to get that type of reaction. So we're prepared to go down there and stand with these people and demand that justice be held, demand that investigations be held, and demand that somebody be held accountable. What about that, Amanda? Do you think part of the problem is that, let's just be honest, Americans have an attitude of, the hell with these people. They're animals. We don't care about them.

Look, toss them in jail, throw the key away. That literally is part of the psychosis of many Americans when it comes to folks who are in prisons. Absolutely. Lock them up and forget about them. They don't have to look at it. So what I've been trying to do for over a year now is open people's eyes. And how do you get people to open their eyes by changing their hearts and minds? And unfortunately, looking at these photos that have been released

recently, you can't look away because they're everywhere on everybody's timeline, whether they know someone incarcerated or not. And I would like to speak on what our leaving governor said today. He mentioned, you know, that it is a gang problem and that it is a funding problem. But Mississippi has the third highest incarceration rate in the world. In the world. United States being, you know, number one, and so Mississippi falls three inside the United States. This is not a funding issue. This is a too many people are locked up issue. You know, you have a third of the people in our prison system are there on nonviolent drug

crimes. And in fact, what was interesting is I remember a year or so ago that you had private prisons in Mississippi that were complaining about efforts to address mass incarceration by not placing folks in these jails. It was interesting because they were literally saying, well, you know, how are we going to survive? I mean, I remember that story vividly and I'm going, what the hell? Exactly. Exactly. The question should not be about how a prison is going to survive. I mean, that should be the goal is to have a prison shut down when you you should be proud that you don't have many people coming in your doors anymore, because that means that something right is happening, that people

are no longer committing acts of violence that cause or funnel this system of mass incarceration, right? Like our goal should not be to increase prison population. It should be to decrease it. And I mean, that is one of the outcomes that we want to see adopted from our push to really increase humane treatment of people who are currently in prison, is that we want to actually see the prison population decrease significantly in Mississippi. We want to see this institution of parchment that has been around since the early 1800s, which first was a plantation,

an 18,000-acre plantation turned into an 18,000-acre facility of incarceration, right? We want to see that shut down. It's been around for too long. It represents oppression. It represents a pain in our history. It represents horrific traumatic treatment of people and continues to do the same today. And so we want to see that shut down.

We want in the immediate, we want to see people, people who are injured inside of the prisons right now. We're getting reports on the inside where people are saying they're not treating people who need immediate medical attention. So we want that medical attention to come to those people immediately. We want to improve conditions inside the facility where people are not living in filth. We want to ensure that people are being treated with respect and dignity. And so we want to make sure that the right people are hired, the right people are trained. We want to see more resources come in. We want more social workers. We want more counselors. We want better food. There is so much that needs to happen and there is no reason why it can't happen. My son, final question for you. Do you, you saw what I read, Congressman Benny Thompson wants a U.S. attorney to do. You know, look, at the end of the day, these are still human beings. These are people who we supposedly want to one day be released and come back into society. To your point, treating them this way

does not make that conducive. In fact, it makes it more difficult. That's right. That recidivism rate climbs. Almost impossible. You know, when we look at this situation, man, it's a microcosm of what's going on in America's prisons because this is a common, this is common.

Every day you hear about it, I get DMs, being formerly incarcerated, advocating for incarcerated individuals. I'm often, you know, I'm overwhelmed with this type of emails and these type of pictures and these type of stories. And I can't even help all of them because it's so much. But what we do know is that these are human beings. And when we look at our justice system, our injustice system, and how every day someone's coming home after 20 and 30 years for crimes that they never committed and being exonerated, it shows you that these are still human beings,

that everyone in there deserves the opportunity to be able to re-habitat this society and not go through this type of inhumane treatment. So we have to understand that. We have to look at it as these are our brothers and our sisters and our family members and identify with the fact that they will, most of them are trying to come back to society and will come back to society. And they are, they're going to be products of whatever we

feed them. So this prison system is trying to destroy our culture, is destroying our young men, is destroying the mind states. And when you hear how the governor, because it comes from the top down and you hear how he speaks about these individuals, you understand why the prisoners are like they are in Mississippi. And we're going to demand, like you said, we're going to demand that something happens. Amanda, you want to make a final comment? Go ahead. I would just like to say that, you know, one of the suggestions that I have for immediate, and Session can go in this, can go in next week, they can go in tomorrow or Wednesday and do an emergency session for this particular problem

and a crisis that we're having. Oklahoma just had the largest commutation ever recorded in history over, I believe, over 500. No, almost 500 people were commutated because they took drug possession down to misdemeanors instead of felonies. I mean, that would save us a lot of space and give more food and more things, you know, to the other prisoners that are there. It's just one of the suggestions that I have. I don't, you know, we're exhausted down here, we're exhausted. Well, first of all, it only makes common sense.

And unfortunately, you don't have too much sense that's common there in Mississippi because you still have this attitude. And again, for me, it's not a question of picking on Mississippi or Alabama, but it's a state of mind where you look at, again, after when slavery ended, the peonage system was put in place. And so what you have here, you have this view, these people who are in these prisons who are largely African-American, they are, in a sense,

free labor, and folks can treat them that way. So we certainly appreciate all of your activism in this. Amanda Hamilton, thank you so very much. Rekia Lumumba, thank you very much as well, as well as my son. Keep up the good work. Can I just add something about the women? Yeah, go ahead. The women are also suffering inside of their correctional facilities and in their units, and so I think we always have to remember to talk about them.

And then lastly, we still need to restore the right to vote in Mississippi. Mississippi increased the number of felonies to 23 that prevent a person coming home from prison from ever voting again in their life. So I just want to thank you again, Roland, for taking the time to talk about this. We really appreciate it. Thanks so much. We appreciate it. Thank you, Roland. I want to introduce my panel right now. Robert Petillo, civil rights attorney, also Dr. Abish Jones-Deweaver, political analyst, and Derek Holley,

president of Reaching America and political analyst. I'm going to start with you, Robert. The last point Rekia made there, Mississippi increasing number of felonies, people can't get a right to vote. I mean, there's a reason why this state is so backwards. There's a reason why when you look at economically what the fundamental problem is, is this. You're spending all this money, you're treating folks this way. What the hell do you think people are going to, how are they going to respond?

Well, this has been going on for a long time. Curtis Mayfield, spare this country Mississippi's fate. Nina Simone, Mississippi goddamn. Let's understand the fact that when you go to prison, when you're in state custody, it's exactly that, custody. You still have an Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment. I would think black mold, no healthcare, lack of sanitation will violate the Eighth Amendment.

Also, we have to address the fact that you still have a First Amendment right to free speech and free communication within certain bounds. So let's understand that if these inmates did not have access to cell phones and not access to video and camera, we would not know about this. So we have to start pushing for the democratization

of information and of technology so that people will be able to comment on, exercise their First Amendment constitutional rights to expose things such as this. Not to mention the fact that we talked about the felony disenfranchisement point of it. It's completely unconstitutional. 15th Amendment lays out in one paragraph that you can remove someone's right to vote

because of participation in previous rebellion and the crimes associated with that. States have expanded that for felony disenfranchisement. What it was meant to do was stop former Confederates from voting after the rebellion, and we're using it to stop black and brown people from voting today. And it weighs on our

constitutional system. When you take away someone's vote, their franchise, when you take away their freedom of speech, their First Amendment rights, then there's no way to enforce the Eighth Amendment because they have no access to bring these issues to light. And thank God that some people have access to cell phones so we know about these things. But look, Epstein didn't kill himself. That's what all of us think and believe. But it's because of the failings of our

criminal justice system that something like that can happen and something like that in Mississippi can happen because we have no ability to interact with these individuals and we have to make it a priority not to forget about our brothers and sisters who are in state custody. They are still human beings and have all the rights under the Constitution. Hey, because I grew up in Texas

and there is a name that is etched into my memory, William Wayne Justice. It's crazy that, again, growing up, and so you're like, okay, why did I know the name William Wayne Justice. It's crazy that, again, growing up, and so you're like, okay, why did I know the name William Wayne Justice? William Wayne Justice was a federal judge. This is from the obit when he died in 2009 for the New York Times.

Here, we'll go to my iPad. The state defended a prison system with two doctors for every 17,000 prisoners, where 2,000 inmates slept on the floor, and where inmate trustees, known as building tenders, essentially ran the cell blocks through coercion. It continued that Texas had, in effect, the best penal system in the nation. In 1980, after a trial that lasted nearly a year, Judge Justice ordered major changes in the state's prison system. In 1987, he held the state in contempt because the promised progress had been so meager.

In 2002, after Texas had spent hundreds of millions of dollars to build and improve prisons, Judge Justice released the Texas penal system from federal oversight. That's a 22-year period. Yeah. That's why I remember the name because every time the news came on,

it was all... Federal Judge William Wayne Justice. William Wayne Justice, who they call an activist judge. Right. But again, I would hope that in Mississippi there would be a similar lawsuit

against the state to compel them. But this is also why who sits on the federal bench matters. Oh, my God. Because if it wasn't for a William Wayne justice, had he been a right-wing ideologue, that wouldn't have happened. But people called him an activist judge.

He was like, yes, I'm actively defending the Constitution, to Robert's point. Absolutely. And it's just disgusting when you see these inhumane conditions that human beings are forced to live within. And it's because you have a culture

that says that these are throwaway people, that says that they don't matter, that says that we can do anything to them that we want to do and we will not have to answer to anybody, including kill them or have them die under mysterious circumstances and never tell the truth about what happened to them. This is injustice of the highest order and it requires some outside entity to force some right doing here. But unfortunately, I don't think the

attorney general of this United States right now is the person to do that because he's more likely to side with the Mississippians than he is to side with the people who are having their human rights abused. I got to agree with her on that one, Derek. And I would just say I'm glad that you did this story because as everyone has talked about how we look at the prisoners as people just throw away people, that they are less than human beings. And so when you look at these people right here, it's almost as if they're in a third world prison. And one of my neighbors. They are. Yeah.

One of my neighbors actually got locked up abroad. And the things that he described are exactly what's going on in Mississippi. The other thing is, I'm glad that you did this story, because me, I saw the story about the two prisoners who escaped from Mississippi, and I'm like, oh, God, two guys escaped. But I didn't realize one of them was from this prison right here,

and one of them has been held for 40 years for aggravated assault. You got people who commit murder and only get 20 years, and this brother's been locked up for 40 years for aggravated assault. So a lot of these people, the crimes don't even fit the time that they're doing right now. Well, it's because this is a state

that is still a racist state. Agreed. That still operates as if this is the early 1800s. Mm-hmm. And these folks do not care. They still worship Confederates. They still, frankly, Mississippi would have no problem

if slavery came back. Absolutely not. Because this is it. I mean, so there is no effort by, let's be honest, Republicans in this state to deal with the problems in this state, to continue to put folks in prison,

to hear her say Mississippi is number three in the world? I mean, think about that. Wow. If the U.S. is... When you look at the number of people, if you look at the number of people who are... The population of that state, and the number of folks they put in prison,

you're like, what in the hell are y'all doing? Because their mentality is any small thing, gone. It's also about providing jobs. It's actually about black bodies being a means of production

in that state. They are all about the 13th Amendment where it says slavery no longer exists except when it comes to the prison system. Robert, you wanted to go jump in. Also, I would say I wouldn't just condense it to Mississippi. You can find very similar,

with the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, we did a survey of jail conditions in the South. You can find similar prisons in Alabama and Florida and West Virginia and Kentucky. It is an American problem that we have with the way that we prosecute crimes and the way that we seek constitutional rights once you're incarcerated.

But the reason I specifically talk about Mississippi is because I'm looking at this thing beyond just the prisons. I'm looking at a state of mind. I'm looking at a culture. When you hear Raquel Lumumba say they increase the number of felonies that will keep you from having your right to vote.

When you look at all of those different things, I mean, these are individuals who are in the legislature, in the governor's mansion, who are trying to see something like, hmm, how many more ways can we sit here and keep folks from voting? How many more ways can we keep here and keep folks from voting? How many more ways can we keep driving profit by throwing folks in prisons? That's what's happening here.

And the crazy part is, you're a broke-ass state. Yes. Part of your problem is, you're broke because of nonsense like this here. You got folks who are actually able-bodied, who could be working, but you're spending thousands locking them up in prison.

But I think a big thing that we have to look at is the fact that this can be corrected through federal action. That throughout the 18th century, throughout the 19th century- And what- But let's understand- What federal government?

It was always the federal government. Not this one. Right, but that's exactly, though, what Republicans have never liked. Yeah, exactly. It's that very issue right there. See, that's why it amazes me when you have these conversations, again, with people like Dinesh D'Souza

and these other conservatives who have no understanding of history. There's a reason why African Americans look to the federal government. Because the U.S. Constitution, for all the ways it's flawed, was at least a much better... provided much more relief

than these state constitutions. And that's the problem. That's the problem here. And the fact that you haven't had Mississippi state leaders saying, what the hell is going on? The governor should be calling the head of prisons in and saying

what in the hell kind of operation are you running? And the state is kind of like, what's wrong with y'all? What's wrong with y'all? Well, hopefully since this video came out, Roland, it's so many... They don't give a damn. They don't give a damn. It shouldn't take a video. It shouldn't. We had, what, 25, 30 people running around

for the Democratic nomination for president this year. Dependent on 95% of the African-American vote. And they spending more time talking about refugees when we have people living like refugees in American prisons. And they're not bringing it up. This hasn't been one debate question during any of the Democratic debates for the last 10 months.

Okay, hold on. First of all, let's just be clear. In the last debate, we finally got the first question when it came to the federal judiciary. Okay? So it ain't like... In the last debate, you finally got the first question on voter suppression in 30-some-odd debates.

Poverty don't even come up. Plus, you got to remember, in these debates, the issue is not what didn't come up in the debate. The issue is what didn't they ask. That debate. The issue is what didn't they ask? That's the real issue. What didn't they ask? I do want to pull this story up here. So remember, we covered the story of the guy,

Curtis Flowers, who was released. Remember, you had that racist DA in Mississippi, Doug Evans, who on six... I mean, you know you a racist when you go five separate times and eject black jurors from the jury, and you go a sixth time, and you keep getting smacked down.

Finally went to the Supreme Court, and they finally said, look, your ass is wrong. So apparently this DA, Doug Evans, has finally recused himself from the next trial of Curtis Flowers. Again, Flowers has been tried six times, accused of killing four people.

And y'all love this here. I have personally prosecuted the defendant in all six of his prior trials. Yes, and your ass got slapped down all six times because you excluded black jurors from the jury. While I remain confident in both the investigation and jury verdicts in this matter, I've come to the conclusion that my continued involvement

will prevent the families from obtaining justice and from the defendant being held responsible for his actions. Yes, Derek, if your racist ass is no longer removing black jurors because they black... He did that six times. Dog. Removing black jurors cuz they black he did that six times doll Got smacked down every time for moving new trials did it again? Boom new trial did it again?

New trial does it again? Go always the Supreme Court, then they finally say, yes! And then he recused himself. Your ass wrong. Flowers recently got released, uh, on bail. And so, and again, here he is, um, you know, moving forward. But just, in fact, it's just crazy. But this is the nonsense, though, Avis.

That again, and I'm not specifically targeting conservatives for a reason, but this is what black folks are talking about. When you talk about how people look at this system in a much different way. When you have people who will defend guys like this DA and say, oh, no, he's a righteous guy, six times.

Right. Six times the court said, you cannot remove black jurors because they black. Absolutely. And he kept doing it. Absolutely. And this is, once again,

this is why... In Mississippi. Federal judiciary is so important. This is why the Supreme Court is so important. And it is just so frustrating to me that, as was mentioned, it was only, we only have one debate question on it.

The Democrats writ large seem to be largely clueless about prioritizing this as an issue. And the electorate just doesn't seem to even resonate at all. I mean, how many times do we have to talk about Medicare for All? I think I've kind of heard everything I need to hear personally about Medicare for All.

You know, let's focus on... Okay, but let's just be real clear. Okay? And y'all heard me say this before. I'll say it again. This is what happens when

black media sits on its ass and only shows entertainment. Yes. There is no... First of all, if you had an actual debate and black-owned media

was asking the questions... Yes. This will come up. Other issues come up. And it won't just be, yes, the 10th debate in a row where it's Medicare for all. No, it's going to be,

and that's the problem. Absolutely. And I would add, at least the first, I would say 90% of those debates were supposedly co-hosted by Telemundo, okay? There was no black equivalent in any of those debates

to make sure that our issues were raised up when we are the backbone of the Democratic Party. Remember, Telemundo and Univision, Robert, have actual newscasts. Right. I'm going to say it again. 1,344 hours of content a week on TV One, Cleo TV, BET, BET Her,

on Revote, Aspire, Bounce, eight black cable and broadcast networks, not a single hour of news. It ain't gonna come up. And the reality is this here, I guarantee you, if you looked at mainstream media today, the cable news networks,

24-hour cable news networks, I wonder how many have done this story. Well, none of them have done this story. None of them will do this story because we talk about the media aspect and you're completely right about that. But we as the people, we as the black community, have to stop just giving our votes away to people who aren't willing to come in

and campaign to us. I don't care if you can eat fried chicken at Sylvia's. I don't care if you've got hot sauce in your bag. I don't care if you step in a line or whatever you feel like doing. What are you going to do about prisons? What are you going to do about prisons? What are you going to do about defending the constitutional rights of African Americans? What are you going to do about the 180-plus federal judges

that President Trump has put on the Supreme Court and possibly three Supreme Court justices? What is your plan to enforce the civil rights? But what you're asking, again, though, the people who are asking those questions, they think what they care about. That's the reason you don't hear public education being really discussed in these debates, because the people who are asking the questions, kids think what they care about. That's the reason you don't hear public education being really discussed in these debates

because the people who ask the questions, kids don't go to public school. Got that right. I mean, that's just the real deal here that we have to realize that's what's going on. So hopefully, folks, so we purposely wanted to devote this much time to this story because, yeah,

it's not going to get covered on the other network. This is why we did it. I saw the post this weekend from Tamika and from TI and from Aisan and others. And I said, we're going to talk about this here. Because it has to be discussed. It has to be dealt with. And so we'll do so. Before I go to a break, I do want to show this video here.

So this was the video. I'm going to start it. Hold on. Go back to the beginning. All right. Go to my iPad, video. So this was the video. Go to my... I'm going to start it. Hold on. Go back to the beginning. All right? Go to my iPad, please. So this was the video today of the funeral of the general in Iran.

This is not what Trump thought was going to be his inauguration. I was just thinking that. I was like, you know what? They coming. When I saw this video, look. This is real, bro. Look at this. That's amazing.

It was very concerning. OK, they ain't done. It's still going. Wow. Wow. Jeez, look at this. It's gone. Wow.

That's interesting. That's interesting. That's interesting. Oh, my God. Jesus, what's going on? Whoa. That's insane. So, Derek, when you see... It's still going. It's still going. It's still going.

It's still going. This, Derek... Wow. And I'm sure somebody... Let me be real clear. This is not, oh, you're siding with the Iranians over the United States. No. What this says is that if you see this kind of reaction for this kind of figure, I keep trying to explain to people

that one of my issues in this country is that folk here don't read. Somebody asked the question, what can be done to have better relations with Iran? You can't understand Iran and the United States in 2019 if you don't confront and deal with Iran and the United States in 1953. If you don't deal with the fact that Mossadegh was a democratically elected leader in Iran,

Anglo-Iranian oil, now known as BP, he comes in and says, wait a minute, how is it our oil and we only getting 7% of the money? They get 93%. Iranian oil helped continue and build the economy of England. He says, y'all, this ain't right. We need a larger cut. The Brits were afraid.

If y'all want to understand this, read Stephen Kendra's book, Overthrow. He breaks it all down. United States says, oh, y'all afraid? We'll help y'all overthrow them. The United States, which oh, y'all afraid? We'll help y'all overthrow them. The United States, which was seen and beloved by Iranians, Prada 53,

overthrows Mosaddegh. We install a general. He don't work out. We throw him out. We put the Shah of Iran on. Train his paratroopers who terrorized that country. And then they raided our embassy in 1979. The problem in this country is that when we talk about Iran,

we start with 79. Mm-hmm. Of course. But we don't start with 53. What we don't understand is that if you were a 20-year-old man in 1953, and we overthrew that country, you were 46 in 79. You don't forget your country being, having a democratically elected leader

going to a dictator that we helped put in power. And so I think for us to understand what's happening in the Middle East, Americans have got to step back and say, what role did the Dulles brothers play in conducting American foreign policy in the State Department and the CIA for decades? What role did that play in terms of what we're facing today

in terms of how the relations with these countries? This, that number of people, that should scare any American if you want to understand how they view this figure. Derek, then I'm gonna go online. I was just gonna say what you touched on, 53. The documentary I just did, energy is power. Mm-hmm. And that's what's going on with this right here.

And so in order to understand what's happened to you, you have to go back and understand the history of this country, but you look at those people on this thing right here. We got a problem right now on our hands. It's a very serious situation, and I am still looking at this administration. Y'all know I'm a conservative, but I'm looking at this administration right now as to why now?

What was going on right now that we had to take this man out right now? Impeachment. Yes. I'm looking for better details than just on right now that we had to take this man out right now? Impeachment. Yes. I'm looking for better details than just that right now. Well, first of all, and Avis, look, the Iraqi legislature just voted to remove all U.S. troops. And we have to understand, you just can't go into somebody else's country and say, I ain't leaving.

I ain't leaving. I ain't leaving. Like spoiled brat-ass Trump who said, oh, so they gonna tell us we gotta go. They gotta pay us for that base before we leave. That's not quite how that works. Well, he's just

asinine. But in terms of what brought this on, absolutely the impeachment. The very same day that this happened, earlier in the day, the unredacted version of an email that the White House had handed over in a very heavily redacted way was released, which showed that Trump himself ordered to put a hole on the funding for Ukraine. So it basically further implicated him in the Ukrainian controversy that led to his impeachment. That same day, this man was killed. You cannot tell, and you notice that since that happened, nobody has said anything about that email, have they? All the coverage has been about this. This has been, we know from the very beginning, two things about Trump.

He lies like a rug. He's like at over 13,000 lies right now. So I don't know why anybody would leave anything coming out of his mouth, number one. And number two, we also know that everything that he does has to benefit him. That's how he operates. He doesn't give a damn about this country. He doesn't give a damn about those people whose lives are now imperiled because of his actions and who will definitely die. We've already had, you know, individuals die in Nigeria on an American base in response to this.

It was Kenya. And so this is just the beginning. Trust and believe is just the beginning. He does not care about the lives. And this coward, coward, who did not go to Vietnam after five times of supposedly being drafted, claiming he has bone spurs, yet he's on a damn golf course every freaking weekend. Let me tell you, he, yeah. Well, Mr. Bone Spurs in chief, we know, like I said, we know that he doesn't do anything unless it benefits him. And we know that he's a liar, which means that I do not believe any narrative that's coming out of this White House and any journalistic institution that just robotically mimics and repeats what he says without challenging it is derelict in their duty as journalists in terms of really being committed to bringing the truth to the public.

Robert, they are a little confused over there. First off, today the Pentagon chief of staff resigned. OK, not a minor detail in the middle of this here. Also, you're going to love this one here. So have you heard about this draft letter that was sent out about troops being pulled out of Iraq? Well, everybody was confused. What in the hell is going on? So one of the generals had to come out.

First of all, went before reporters. They were like, okay, we don't know what you're talking about. Went back. Okay, we made some calls. All right, so here's what happened. So apparently that, this is a quote, that letter is a draft. It was a mistake. It should not have been released.

Dude, it's the Keystone cops at the Pentagon on this whole deal. Trump literally is tweeting saying, hey, Congress, that's my official notification. Well, we got a lot of things going here, and this is the point in time where those people who are history nerds in middle school, this is our time to shine. So let's understand and put a couple things in little boxes and bring it all together. One, we can't take out the fact that November 10, 2019, Iran announced they found 50 billion barrels of oil.

That's very convenient. People forget that when you announce that you found 50 billion barrels of oil, somehow the US ships show up. I don't know how it happened. It's a coincidence. Don't know how, but it always just seems to happen. When you find 50 billion. Energy and power.

And that would vault them ahead of the Saudi Arabian. Yes, it would have. Not to mention, let's say it's box number one. Box number two, you have the confluence of cable news and deep state conspiracy theories when they actually have to govern. So President Trump, while he was running for office, talked about President Obama being so weak,

delivering the pallets of cash money out of big planes to Iran before the Iran nuclear deal. What President Obama and the State Department and the international community understood was you don't want it with the Persians. Alexander the Great found that out. The Ottomans found that out. The British found that out.

So let's just stop this war from happening. So let's stop them from getting nuclear weapons and keep stability in the region. Also, the money that was given was their money. So was it like, we gave the money out of the U.S. Treasury system? Go ahead. But when you start talking in deep state conspiracies

and Internet chat rooms, you start thinking you can govern that way, and this is what you end up with. Okay, hold on, but you left out one more thing. That's a good point. You left out one more thing. Because of this, guess what has happened to oil prices? Spiked. But guess who's that's benefited the most?

Oil companies. No. Who? Russia. Oh, of course. How did I not figure that out? Before we get there, let's get to box number three. Go ahead.

Box number three is the... There's been a Cold War going on in the Middle East for about 30 years now between Saudi Arabia and Iran. So stuck in the middle is Iraq. Remember the Iraq-Iran War in the 1980s. But because you have had this battle for hegemonic power between the Iranians and the Saudis, which have been playing out in smaller conflicts in Jordan and Lebanon and Syria and everywhere else, you have the United States, which has been funneling weapons to Saudi Arabia for decades now.

There have been civilians, school buses, weddings killed with bombs that have Lockheed Martin and the United States of America on the side of them. Let's put this also in the context that while President Trump was running in 2015 and 2016, he talked about his strong business relationships with the Saudis.

One of the first foreign trips he went on, he went to Saudi Arabia, the picture of him holding a saber with his hand on a glowing globe with the Saudi government. Let's also remember the killing of Khashoggi last fall, that we allowed the Saudis to do that and get out scot-free. And now suddenly we are about to go to war with their number one rival in the region, right as Trump is about to put a hotel in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. So we have this confluence of events all taking place at one time, which makes it seem like this conflict with Iran was inevitable.

Let's understand this is not like the assassination or the killing of Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden, that was a killing under the War Powers Act of 1973, which gives the president the right to use emergency powers, not within Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, in order to protect the vital national security interests of the United States.

The killing of the Iranian general was a violation of this because he was a state actor. He was a general in a foreign military on another country's soil. That's different than a terrorist who's part of an organization. That's different than an individual. You cannot allow the President of the United States to sit in a gold-plated resort while eating ice cream and order death robots to kill foreign generals

on foreign soil. So you don't think he was a terrorist though? A terrorist himself? It doesn't matter. Because guess what? If the Iranians declare Mike Pence a terrorist tomorrow, does that mean they can send a death robot to kill him? Exactly. That's exactly the difference. Because there's a constitutional mandate around it. It's not a point of opinion.

It's Article 178 of the Constitution. It's the War Powers Act of 1973. It's the authorization of use of military force from 2002. Which they're trying to change right now. Well, there are legal frameworks around this to prevent an individual from being able to sink the entire nation into a war.

Remember, the reason America became a country is because King George squandered and got England into the Seven Years' War, which nearly bankrupted the country, which allowed for the United States to rise up after the French and Indian War. The framers of the Constitution did not want to put the power into one man's hand to literally bankrupt and destroy an empire. And that's what we have right now because President Trump believes he can flout the Constitution. We have, in every metric said to President Trump, the Constitution does not apply to you. You don't have to follow Congress. You don't have to follow the Senate. You don't have to follow the courts.

You can do whatever you feel like. And when Republicans are willing to go away from their constitutional and conservative principles in order to simply have tax cuts, I think that's why we get to the point we're at currently. But the thing that, to your point, Derrick, is this guy... Good job, Robert. That was a mic drop moment. I'm sorry. That was a mic drop moment.

He said history nerds have any moment. I'm like, okay, bro. But, but here's the piece. But, but, but to your point, was this guy, is this guy a terrorist? Yes. But when you're, there's a reason why President Bush and President Trump,

excuse me, President Bush and President Obama didn't take him out. Because you understand, you sit back and say, first of all, you ask somebody in the room, and you actually ask a number of people in the room, what will be the repercussions of this action? That's the piece. So what do we now have?

Iran says, so Trump comes in the iran nuclear deal is awful bad for obama first of all there were other countries who also are part of the negotiating that wasn't just the united states okay prevented from them for uh getting a nuclear weapon for at least 15 years okay you can be pissed off with, we gave them a billion dollars over how much it was. It kept them for 15 years. The whole point of that is 10 years later, you negotiate another deal

to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon. His action right here, they go. Y'all can kiss our ass. We ain't complying with nothing beginning right now. That's what they said. So, so, you say the deal was bad, so you think they gonna come to the table

and negotiate a harsher deal? Oh, the economic penalties we've had against them. Sanctions. Ain't the first time they've had sanctions against them. This man has no idea. Not just about next year, not next month. He don't even know about tomorrow.

And that's the fundamental problem you have. And that's why, and I love this one too. Now, I love how the Trump people now swear by the intelligence community. Oh, yeah. Of course. The same one he's been trashing. On Russia, interference, not a level.

Yeah. Folk better be scared because you do not have a stable person leading. I just don't think you do. We also have to think about the butterfly effect of foreign policy. So let's think about it this way.

1945, two atomic bombs get dropped on Japan. Why? Because in 1914, a Serbian shot the Archduke of Austria. So do you think we... I thought I was a history nerd. Apparently, I'm not. That's what started World War I. The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand in Austria in a car by Serbian separatists

is what kicked off World War I. World War II was a continuation of that with a short armistice in the middle. As a result of World War II, we had the atomic age. We had Operation Paperclip. We ended up on the moon because a Serbian killed an Austrian. One dude. One dude.

Killed. So we, because we have no idea what the murder of this one general might butterfly into. And the fact that we didn't think about it is the most horrifying aspect. No, it was, no, what's horrifying are these idiots. First of all, is Trump an idiot? Yes. Because the person who you make as your Secretary of Defense a former

Boeing lobbyist who don't know shit. So you fools go into a meeting. Let's see here. We're just going to give him the option Take the general out

Cause it's No one will ever do that You're dealing with an idiot So what does the idiot do Oh hell yeah take him out In a world where Mattis is not there Kelly's not there All Right. Kelly's not there.

All those folks who they said, I really do believe Madison and Kelly have formed a pact. It was like, look, if this dumbass say this here, we ain't gonna do it. We already have evidence where Trump gave orders and Madison's like, yeah, y'all gotta know that. Don't worry about that shit. We ain't doing that.

We ain't following that order. These fools literally bringing him the idea, and he takes the most extreme one. Then they're like, oh, my God, what did he do? Because you fools put it on the table. Of course Trump was going to take the most extreme. Because to your point, for eight years, and this is why these white folks voted for him,

because for eight years, all Fox News and all conservative talk radio and all conservative social media, we're weak, we're weak. No one respects us. Obama's weak. He's weak. He's weak.

So fake-ass John Wayne comes along and they say, yeah, that's it. Strong. We took out the Iranian general. Fool. You better figure out what's going to happen next. There's a reason why Bush and Obama did.

And it's just crazy. Last comment I want to make is we have to understand that unlike Osama bin Laden, unlike some of the other terrorists that have been taken out, general is a job. Yes. Before his body was cold,

they had somebody else in that same job. Hold on, hold on. Also, also, Iran's a country. Exactly. Okay, Osama bin Laden was over a band of people that was a loose federation that could get kicked out of a country, that could get killed by people who are over the country. And it was also Saudi Arabian, and we love Saudi Arabia.

They're a country. They're a country with money. And to your point, go to my iPad. 53 billion barrels of oil found. Damn. And I had the date right. 53 billion. Okay, so they sit...

Right, so deal is, they ain't out fundraising. They are a nation. They are a nation. And the reality is, for those Americans who never understood, you had... When Saddam was nuts

and we ain't like him, Iran kept his ass from going acting a fool. Right. Saddam kept Iran from going a fool. So to your point about taking down somebody, all of the drama in the Middle East today, first of all, we can take it back to the beginning, all the drama in the Middle East today

also stems from our decision to invade Iraq on false pretenses of weapons of mass destruction because was Saddam an evil, evil man? Absolutely. But evil kept evil in line. Evil kept evil in line. All of them kept them all in line.

We toppled Saddam. We toppled Gaddafi. Now, you don't know who the hell you dealing with. And now it's all up for grabs. Now you got the guy in Turkey who used to be a good guy, democratically elected, now a dictator and a thug, and the games he's playing, this is what happens when you make those decisions.

And you're right. When Paul Bremer said, oh, get rid of the Iraqi National Guard, what the hell did you just do? Because guess what? Now you have no security forces. Now you have, guess what? Militias who went, fill the vacuum.

And so, y'all, y'all better pray. Y'all better pray and pray to the different God than that fool Jim Baker. Did y'all see this here? Okay, I'm going, my next guest is coming up, but I got to go.

First of all, this is the soldier you were talking about. Sergeant, Army Specialist Henry Mayfield Jr., 23, Evergreen Park. He was a service member who was killed in the attack on the U.S. base in Kenya. So certainly condolences go out to his family. Yeah, 23 years old. But I'm trying to find this here for y'all,

because, and I tweeted this here, because that crazy fool Jim Baker... Y'all remember Jim Baker? Remember the one who had the side piece and they were stealing all his money? Listen to what this fool said on his show. Here, go to my iPad. You know what?

Trump is a test whether you're even saved. Only saved people can love Trump. No, you got to be really saved. You got to forgive. You got to be able to forgive. You forgive when you're saved. You know what? Trump is a test whether you're even saved. He you're saved. You know what? Trump is a test. He said only saved.

No, only insane people follow Trump. All right, y'all, coming up next, we're going to talk about artificial intelligence and its impact on the loss of black jobs. It's real, and it's already happening. That's next Roller Mark Unfiltered. You want to check out Roller Mark Unfiltered? YouTube.com forward slash Roller Mark Unfiltered? YouTube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin.

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intelligence will impact 4.5 million jobs for African-Americans. Folks, we have a 10% greater likelihood of automation based job loss than other workers. Black men without a college degree are especially vulnerable. We're talking about what makes African Americans more likely to be replaced by artificial intelligence with Shereen Mitchell. She's a social analyst and diversity strategist. Okay, so Shereen, explain for the folks, first off,

what the hell is artificial intelligence? Oh, my goodness. Thank you for having me, Roland. There's a lot of people sitting at home going, i don't know what y'all talking about automation i think most people actually understand automation you know it's like the conveyor belts right we understand what that is but i think the key part to this conversation is about the way that ai is operating right now in our systems and one of the things about the way that AI is operating right now in our systems. And one of the things about the way AI is working is also working against us as African Americans. It's not just

about jobs, if you remember the HP thing, um, there was a guy who was a dark skin guy who was, um, trying to do the, you know, AI recognition of his face on the screen. Um, and basically he was like, well, the, you know, if a white woman shows up in front of it or a white person shows up in front of it, they recognize it. They don't recognize us. You've seen this also with soap dispensers where you put your hands underneath it. The technology doesn't recognize a black hand versus a white hand. It will dispense for a white person but It will dispense for a white person,

but won't dispense for a black person. So the challenge that we're having with AI isn't just about jobs. It's about the fact that it is not able to recognize who we are and allow our participation in the technology framework. Yeah, because first of all, when you talk about AI, it's being written by a lot of white folks.

Mm-hmm. So absolutely. So who's coding? framework. Yeah, because first of all, when you talk about AI, it's being written by largely white folks. So, absolutely. Let's call it what it is. White folks are doing the coding. Who's the AI learning to be, right? Remember on Twitter, there was like a Microsoft AI that was just

trying to like, just exist and having people respond to it. And ultimately, eventually became racist, right? Because people kept feeding the AI racist content. And so it started spitting out racist content. So yeah, AI is in any way technology is not designed in a way that is beneficial to us because most of us are not actually designing it. It's being designed by other folks, mostly white males in the tech industry who think that AI is sort of neutral while they code in things that really simply can, like we can identify. Like you can code in names and names get coded. So Bob gets coded, but guess what?

Does Shireen get coded? Shireen's name is not as classified as unusual, right? But Bob and Sally and Chris and Dave are all natural conversations in AI. And so AI picks that up. Those are the kinds of things about algorithms of oppression that really focuses on the ways in which AI and algorithms actually are disproportionately targeting our community.

But I do want to read from this story from the Business Insider. This is what it says. Here we go to my iPad. African-American workers are at greater risk for job loss due to being overrepresented in the jobs that will face the most cuts after AI and automation take over, like office support secretaries, fast food and service workers, and mechanics and other practitioners of production work. About 34% to 36% of jobs in those three sectors will get disrupted. Yes. The disproportionate impact of automation could exacerbate the already widening racial gap.

The wealth gap between the median black and white families in the U.S. has jumped $54,000 since 1992. White Americans own disproportionately more homes and hold less student debt than African Americans, factors that can be traced to historic redlining and discrimination in job hiring. But here's the paragraph that really jumps out. College education and gender will all impact how severely black Americans will face job loss. 10% of black folks are at risk for job disruption, but the number jumps to 30% for African American men without a college degree. In fact, the researchers estimate that 28% of jobs held by black men without a college degree

will get disrupted by automation and AI by 2030. Now, black women are higher educated more than anybody else in terms of going to college. That's why you see that number of the 30%. I think what people have to understand when we talk about automation and AI, Shereen,

that if you look at right now, I'll ask my panel this year. Panel, when was the last time you physically walked into a bank? For what? Never. For real.

It's been a minute. I mean, I ain't got no money, so. Like, never. But what has happened is what automation has done, what technology has done, now you can sit here, snap a picture of a check, no need to actually walk in. You now have Cash App. You can do transfer of money, PayPal as well.

And so what people don't understand, all of those jobs on the inside of that bank, the jobs that were in the drive-through, those were middle-class jobs that individuals had that did not require a college degree. Those were jobs that people had where they were able to take care of their families, buy homes, send their kids to college, and actually live. Those jobs wiped out. We can go down the line and look at, I mean, look,

you go to a grocery store. You used to go to a grocery store that were 10 to 12 lines that were at peak time 10 to 12 cashiers. Now, it's 10 to, it's actually it's 10 to 12 registers, only

two are open, but you've got self-checkout where you've got literally 10 different counters. That's, you multiply that, that's 10 people who used to be at a grocery store, multiplied by the number of grocery stores in your city, in your state, in your country.

And so we talk about where these jobs, how we're losing these jobs, and yes, for convenience, this is scary as hell if you're saying that essentially a third of black men without a college degree are going to be impacted by AI. Final comments.

So my final comment is this. There's two things that can be done around this. One is be the executors of AI, like learn how to be able to create it and change the dynamics that are happening behind it. The second one is the key to this problem is we've had this conversation before. It's like TV, radio will take out jobs.

We've been here before about print media will disappear when we get online. Your damn near has. Well, yeah, you're right. No, no. It's like pretty close. The contraction has been, first of all, classified advertising, just decimated newspapers.

That's where they're making their money. Craigslist, okay, Craig Newmark, yeah, you're the reason. And then, of course, and so the number of newspapers, jobs that are being wiped out. You used to have newsrooms where you had 200 people. You now have those newsrooms today with 40 people. Yeah. Magazine.

I'm not disagreeing with any of that. First of all, Essence Magazine makes more money off the festival than do the actual magazine. But go ahead, I'm sorry. Because I tagged the journalism part of it because it is an example of it. But also, we have to remember that the key part of this conversation

is also about the way in which AI is being used. In some ways, it's used negatively for African-American community. Also, it's used in a way that can be positive. We have to figure out how to navigate this enough that we can change the dynamics of where it's going. I do think that the key part of this, and I want to make sure that we also remember this,

you know, McKinsey is also a challenging organization who put this report out. So we want to make sure that we are having a conversation that's a balanced conversation. It's not, I feel very strongly, it's not just black men who will be impacted. It is the black community in general. And it's anyone who doesn't have a college degree. We are talking about working class frameworks where most of our community is actually working every day hard to get to, you know, take care of their families. And we have to make sure that these things don't impact us

in a disadvantaged way. We don't want the AI to be there for surveillance either. We don't want the AI to be there to take away jobs. And we don't want the AI to be there to participate in ways in which we get to, what's the question, like where it becomes disadvantaged for us as a whole community. And that's where we are right now. The question is, who's controlling it and what can we do about it? That means Congress has to have a conversation about this. That means that tech companies have to have a conversation about this. That means that tech companies have to have a conversation about this. But we are having a conversation about this

across the community. It's a very big challenge for multiple reasons. Yep, absolutely. Shereen Mitchell, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you for having me. I want to go to our panel here. Look, bottom line is this here. You know, we had, um... Spencer from the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies

talking about what driverless cars is going to mean, again, how African Americans are going to be impacted. What people have to understand is that if you look at the wealth gap in this country, you look at all those different things. We used to be a nation that made things. Now you look at money being produced on the East Coast, Wall Street, in terms of how it's being produced,

they make nothing. So in terms of how wealth is being created. And the people who are being screwed are low-income folks. That's right. Folks who are in all those damn red states. Automation, the impact that automation is having, is wreaking havoc. And look, we've got to be dealing with that.

And that's why... Somebody thought I was joking when I was dead serious. This is what I said. If you become a master plumber, one, you can make high five figures, six figures. People thought I was lying. It's true. Two, guess what? You cannot outsource that to China.

That's true. Because if your toilet is stopped up, there's nothing somebody can do over the phone to unclog. We have to start thinking about, yes, tech job, STEAM jobs, STEM jobs, whatever you want to call it, STEM or STEAM, but also think about jobs that require a skill set

in order for folks to be able to live. Mm-hmm. Well, to put a little cold water on the hysteria, in the Middle Ages, there was a career called upknocker. What that was, if you lived in a place that didn't have roosters, there was somebody who would come and knock on your door to wake you up every morning, and you would pay them a pittance. That job went out of business when clocks were proliferated.

Technology advances. Of course. Old jobs go away. So right now, we have an ephemeral causeway to wealth that we've never had before. You can be, there are people in Nigeria right now with very limited access to technology who are inventing apps, who are inventing technology that are going to lift their families, their whole communities out of poverty. So instead of fearing poverty or technology as it comes, instead of fearing what's going to be the next thing,

let's understand, well, because people are automating cross-country trucks now, instead of being a truck driver, you will have the, uh, you'll have the bandwidth and the ability to innovate in the future. But no, that's not, that's not what the fear is. The fear is that, as I said, I used the cashier at the grocery store and the bank teller. This is the problem. The gap. This is the other

problem. See, the problem is, you used to have, you used to have high-paying jobs, relatively high-paying jobs, the bulk of your jobs were there in the

middle, and then your low paying job where your customer service oriented jobs fast food restaurants things along those lines require tipping all the stuff along those lines the problem these jobs here so you have people who are better educated, high student loan debt, but you literally have a shrinkage of those jobs in the middle. And so now you have an abundance of jobs down here

that aren't paying more, which is why you have the fight for $15 minimum wage. But... And no health care. Because remember, those jobs were in the middle. You had health care. You had dental. All of that. And so,

our economy has changed. And so, when you see the fight for $15 an hour, when you see this battle for a living wage, it's because technology has, automation has shrunk, has got those jobs

in the middle, and so now what used to be low-paying jobs that were really for your teenagers and for other folks, now has become disproportionate for folks ours. Folks are like, hold up, what we used to have here, we need down here, because this is shrunk.

But at the same time, now more children today want to become YouTubers than want to become astronauts because you can sit in your house and you can create a YouTube channel and become a multimillionaire. People can work in the gig. People have the opportunity to have the possibility.

But the number of multimillionaires on YouTube are the number of astronauts. Okay, let's just be clear. But instead of trying to get more cashier jobs back... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, Robert, I'm not saying we're going to get more cashier jobs back. Here's what I'm acknowledging.

I'm acknowledging that not everyone is going to get a four-year degree. I'm acknowledging that not everyone is going to get a two-year associate degree. I'm acknowledging that the vast majority of Americans are going to be high school graduates. And for a number of centuries, but definitely over the last 100 years, you had an infrastructure in this country that was able to say, depending upon your grade of education, you might be here, here, here,

or in this section here. The problem is, you've got a bunch of people, those college degrees... Who are down here. Who are down here. Yeah. And the problem is, they're not down here for six months. They're down here for six years.

And they're difficult to be able to go up. And so, we have to be honest with what is happening with automation. So, look, I got phone, phone, phone, solar-powered power bank. I get technology, but I'm also honest about the fact that we have seen a massive loss of jobs for those people without college degrees. And those people had the ability, and a lot of them were our parents. My parents, my dad worked at Amtrak, 25 years, cleaning the trains,

able to send kids through college, raise five kids. What I'm saying is that there are job losses that we have to be honest about. Now the question is, how do we reconfigure an economy where it's not you either at the top or you're at the bottom and a few folks in between? Yeah, and we're already seeing the implications of this shift.

This is not necessarily something that's only going to happen, as you mentioned, 30, 40 years from now. We're seeing it now in our daily interactions. And what's happening in real life is that you have people who are well-educated people who are now trying to balance two jobs to be able to make ends meet at a level that a generation ago they could have done even probably better than that with just one job based on their level of education.

And in terms of just being able to, I would love to be able to say just sort of, and we do to some point need to be able to adjust to this new economy, but the reality is that there is a digital divide in this nation. I come from a very rural area. To this day, there is no cable in my home. When I like go home to visit my mom, there's no cable there, okay? So there are millions of people in this nation who don't even have access to the bare minimum just in terms of being able to take advantage of technology to the point that they could master it to some level to be able to monetize it.

I mean, look, Derek, I mean, there were... I mean, the reality is that the advance of... the advance of African-Americans into the middle class in this country, coming out of the depths of Jim Crow and poverty, was largely a result of industrial era jobs

where you had black men and black women who didn't have college degrees, but who were able to go work at Ford, at Chrysler, at General Motors, were able to go work at Ford, at Chrysler, at General Motors, were able to work at other different places, making $40,000, $45,000, $50,000, $60,000, $70,000,

overtime $80,000 or whatever, and able to, again, feed their family, buy homes, all of that. Our economy has shifted. And there's been such a massive loss of those jobs that again and so in an era where more people were going to college now building up debt which is why which is why the student loan debt issue is huge uh i am not i'm not there on free college and the reason i'm not there on free college. And the reason I'm not there on free college is because, again, there's a cost to free college, which somebody has to pay,

and you better figure out how you're gonna pay for that cost. But I also do believe that a big part of this, there has to be, if this nation had a savings and loan crisis, some of y'all know what the hell I'm talking about, just Google it, where you had billions in assets that were sold off for pennies on the dollar. If we bailed out banks to the tune of 20-some-odd billion,

Trump has already given these farmers almost $30 billion. This nation has to confront student loan debt because that is, I think, a significant drag on this economy and on this issue right here. I think it's going to... The same way we had a housing bust in 08, I think the same thing is going to happen

with these student loans. If we don't do something about it. Because it is a crisis right now. And it's disproportionately affecting low-income and minority students, blacks in particular. Oh, yeah. African-Americans are coming. I mean, our debt is twice that of whites coming out of college and not making as much as they're making. So you're

absolutely exacerbating it. And I think that this artificial intelligence thing, it's not just affecting blacks, but it's low income, it's all these minorities, it's rural, people in rural communities, as you just stated, and senior citizens. And to Robert's point, I think we,

you've got to do a great job of putting this kind of stuff on and bringing it to light so people know about it, because most blacks probably don't even know about this thing right here. Again, because you've got a black cable network probably don't even know about this thing right here. Again, because you got a black cable network that don't show any damn news shows. I was... I was in Atlanta airport about two months ago,

and, um, I was ordering food, and I was able to walk up and get it, just put the number, boom, boom, boom, put it in and go get your food. And I said to the manager, I said, -"Man, what is this doing to all the jobs?" -"Right." His... His comeback to me was, well, we still got people that's got to make the food.

And it made me feel like I was an idiot for asking about the jobs that have been lost. And it was all throughout the entire Atlanta airport. But you have so many people who don't think or think about the jobs that are being lost because they think about the still the food has to be produced, it has to be, and then all this kind of thing. But it's a lot of people who are lost behind this whole thing. And you have to think about the... Still, the food has to be produced, it has to be... And then all this kind of thing. But it's a lot of people who are lost

behind this whole area. And you have to think about... You have to think about, again, that... what those jobs were and how you were able... how people were able to work and feed. It's just... It is a shift that is real that we have to own up and be honest about what is happening and what it also has done to the point about how black

men are impacted, it's now made it perfectly clear, you can't survive with just a high school diploma. You've got to get a college level degree and now debt also now comes into play. Robert, final comment.

Alright, two points. One, we're not going to go back to that post-war economy. Not happening. The reason is... Not happening. The reason that we had the post-war economy is because Europe and Japan and China were all flat. They didn't have any buildings, they didn't have any people, so that's why we were able to have the entirety of world production be in

the United States of America because we survived the war unscathed. But on the point... Yeah, because all they shit got unscathed. But on the point that... Yeah, because all their shit got blown up. Exactly. Not ours. Not ours. So we're not going to go back to that

unless we have another war. Let's not do that. But on the other point, I think that now that we understand what the playing field is, we've known since the Jetsons, when they had Rosie the robot maid, that robots were going to start taking jobs.

We have to start teaching people for the jobs of the future. We have to start understanding that a college degree is worth less now than probably at any point in the last 50 years because so many people have them. So many people went and hid in college and in grad school during the Great Recession. Then now jobs are looking for work experience. They're looking for certification. You can get knowledge on the internet that can give you the experience and the certifications you need to get those jobs in the tech field. Let's stop just preaching to people,

go get that job at the, I don't know, work in the loading docks. Those jobs don't exist anymore. Nope, gone. They're teaching jobs to the future. Gone. The area, let me tell you something. Two areas, real quick.

One most important, health care. I don't care what, that has been consistent in the last decade. Number one, number two in terms of job creation. Number two, which is also tied to health care. Let me tell you something. Y'all need to go get you a job in physical therapy. I'm being... Let me tell you something right now.

If you got a kid who does not really, really, really want to be in that four-year school, tell your kid, your last can become a physical therapist. I'm trying to tell you. Okay? I had a torn right labrum, 2012. I had to have surgery.

Had to do rehab. I also done rehab on my shoulders. I've been in rehab two or three different times. Jam-packed. Yes, it is. Why? Because we not doing most stupid shit. We'll talk about check.

Yo, more Americans are jumping their asses out of planes. Skiing. Rock climbing. Extreme sports. All that crazy shit. A whole bunch. Even black people are doing some of this crazy shit. And what's happening? They're breaking shit. A whole bunch, even black people doing some of this crazy shit. And what's happening, they breaking shit.

You still got dudes, y'all know some of these black guys, 45 years old, still think they Michael Jordan. Their ass is hoping. Blowing ACLs, blowing Achilles. Rotator cuffs. Rotator cuffs. All of that. Sound like you got personal history.

I do. All of that. Their asses gonna need rehab for six, nine months. Every time I go to rehab, yo, packed. I was like, man, if my ass was not a journalist, and I was trying to figure out, I would be solely focused on opening a rehab joint. I'm telling you, it's the real deal.

All right, y'all. Let's talk about South Carolina Democratic Jamie Harrison, who's seeking to challenge Republican Senator Lindsey Graham in that state has raised more than $7.5 million, the highest any Senate Democratic challenger has posted in South Carolina history. Real quick, folks,

is this a sign that South Carolina could turn blue? Absolutely. Well, I think what we have to understand is there's been an exodus from major blue states. blue? Absolutely. Well, I think what we have to understand... You say yes? There's been an exodus from major blue states. If you look at Illinois, I think they lost 500,000 in population. New York has lost population. Connecticut, California,

they're all moving to red states because they have lower taxes, lower regulations, better jobs. You can't keep folks from moving to Atlanta. Like, we got to fight them out of Atlanta. But with that, you have a demographic shift which is taking place where we're having more and more affluent, liberal African Americans. The same way that Virginia turned blue because Northern Virginia jobs coming from D.C., you're

seeing more Southern states. Look, Stacey Abrams lost by 2 percent. Gillom lost by 1.5 percent in Florida. South Carolina's a 35 percent black state. The South can absolutely turn blue. I just think it's gonna take a effort by Democrats in the South to understand that it's okay South Carolina is a 35% black state. The South can absolutely turn blue. I just think it's going to take an effort by Democrats in the South to understand that it's okay for your blue to be black. And that's been the bigger issue.

Davis? Ditto. Absolutely the case. I mean, Lindsey Graham, he is in trouble. If you're looking at not only the fundraising but the polling there, it's virtually tied between the two. And his challenger, quite frankly, in terms of elected office, he's a political novice.

And so the fact that you have this brother who is really new to elected politics, who is this close to Lindsey Graham, who is very unpopular in the state, by the way, shows to me that there's a huge possibility that it's going to be flipping. The Senate could be flipping in terms of its senatorial representation

from South Carolina. I think all elections are gonna be tight. One or two points are gonna decide it, but I do think Lindsey Graham, for the first time, could be in trouble with this guy right here. And because he's so supportive of the president right now. And it's, uh, it's not a good time. Lindsey Graham gonna beat Jamie.

Okay. This is still South Carolina. Okay. We can keep hope alive. South Carolina ain't changed that damn much. The only way Jamie is able to beat Lindsey Graham, and this has to happen, okay? The question is, are you gonna see the quarter of a million black people

who sit their ass at home, who are unregistered and don't vote in South Carolina, will they vote? Two, are you gonna see a sharp drop? And I mean 10, 15 points of white women who voted with Trump. Are they going to also flee Lindsey Graham? Republicans have been getting killed in the suburbs.

That's going to be the real issue there. Are you going to see those level of turnout numbers? That's what it boils down to. But I got to keep reminding people, look, America is still a white country. The last election, 71% to 72% of the voting electorate were white. This election likely will be the first time

in American history less than 70% of the voters will be white. In order for him to win, black people are going to have to vote at higher numbers. Not can he get 90%, 95% of the black vote. Same thing with ESPN Mississippi. No. Can you turn out more bodies? Right.

Which is why I keep trying to tell these young voters, tweeting don't do shit. You got to actually vote. And so right now it has to be mobilization and organization to register people. Then the second piece, we've got primaries coming up, but the real deal is, is to get them registered before the deadline, and after you register them,

get them to the polls. It's a two-step process for the people who keep focusing on registration and not mobilization. And turnout, look, you got to have both. All right, y'all, let's just, okay, y'all know what time it is. I ain't been, I've been gone a while.

I'm white. I got you, girl. On my property. Whoa! Hey! You don't live? I'm uncomfortable. All right, y'all, this is our final story.

A Lexington, Kentucky, Pizza Hut worker actually told a customer she spit in her food. Sharae Bledsoe said she and her roommates ordered online from Pizza Hut and unknowingly left a nine-cent tip for the delivery driver. Sharae, who is black, said the employee was enraged at the tip and began calling them

while shouting racial slurs. They also sent these text messages. Was that good food? Best believe it was spit in. Everyone knows what to do when that address and number come up. You fucked with the wrong food place, niggas. You're the type that should be hung.

Come here and kiss my feet. It will get spit in every single time. Don't forget your phone number and address is saved. Fucking dumbass. Hmm. Well, Pizza Hut, of course, apologized. And Pizza Hut Becky's job is now open. I'm sure it is. That's crazy. Becky's not very bright, is she? But I can't tell you how much I love her. Job is now open.

Lord have mercy. I'm sure it is. That's crazy. Becky's not very bright, is she? But I keep... No, Becky ain't bright. But I keep telling everybody, I appreciate white folks showing... The crazy white people showing who they are.

And I'm telling you, in Lexington, Kentucky, y'all should have 50 black people going to that Pizza Hut applying for Becky's job. There's some black folks in Lexington, too. There's a lot of black folks there. Instead of applying for Becky's job, how about 50 black folks pool some money, buy some ovens and some pizza sauce and some yeast,

and start slinging pizzas right in that store to it and putting a lot of business. I'm fine with that. We can do both. I'm saying, every time one of these craziest white people lose their mind and lose their job, I'm telling you, I need another 1.9 million white folks to keep losing their mind. They could end black unemployment

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