#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 241K deaths, 10.4M COVID cases in U.S.; Endless election? Howard Kurtz ripped for attacking Whoopi

Episode Date: November 12, 2020

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Texas passes one million cases. Folks, here are the total number. 10.4 million cases across the country. That is cases reported in all 50 states. 241,000 people have died as a result of coronavirus. It is still a huge, huge issue in this country. And in spite of the continued spread of the deadly disease, the Supreme Court is hearing arguments to end the Affordable Care Act. Twenty three million people have health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act, which is critically important, of course, during this pandemic.

President elect Joe Biden has made it clear that health care is a top priority for his administration. In order to manage our health care crisis, though, we need to address a number of issues that affect health outcomes, particularly in underserved communities and especially African-Americans. Joining us now is attorney Daniel Dahls, who was instrumental in shaping the Affordable Care Act. His latest book is called The Political Determinants of Health. Glad to have you on the show, Daniel. This is, again, a major issue. Before we talked about your previous book that dealt with 150 years of the Affordable Care Act, if you will, the battle that took place just constantly in this country when it came to health care. And Donald Trump has no plan. Republicans have no plan.

And, you know, we saw on the stump these Senate candidates, John James in Michigan, no plan. And all they can do is criticize the Affordable Care Act. They talked about, oh, how it was a massive failure and we're running it better. Well, it's kind of hard to call it a failure if you're so called running it better, which means that it actually served a purpose. And so this still is a contentious issue. And for some reason, Republicans just don't want to acknowledge the reality that this is important to the American people.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you. Thank you so much, Roland. Of course, it's always a pleasure to be with you. And let me just start by saying that we know that over the last 10 years that this law has been hanging into balance. But this third case before the Supreme Court is the one that is pushing it to its closest brush with death. So let's put it in perspective, right? We know that the uninsured rate for African Americans under the ACA has declined by 50 percent, right? We know that's true for whites as well, even though they may deny that. But it is true that we have seen the uninsurance rate drop significantly. When Obama was leaving office, the nation's uninsured rate actually dropped

for the first time to its lowest level at 8.6% at the end of 2016. Then when Trump became president, we saw that number starting to creep up. Again, 8.7% in 2017, 8.9% the next year and then at nine point two percent in 2019. Is it any wonder. And yet as you mentioned we're in this triple pandemic right of COVID-19 this racial and social reckoning that we're going through with high rates of disparities that for the first time many many people are actually getting to see now, right, for what we were talking about, as you mentioned in previous episodes, talking about health inequities in America. So there is a lot to unfold, and I'm looking forward to having that discussion with you.

The thing that when we talk about those numbers, Donald Trump loves to tout how great he has been for the blacks, but they don't seem to bring up this number. They don't seem to bring up which number? In terms of the numbers you just cited. Right. They don't. And let me tell you, that is quite upsetting. They don't even tell you about the fact that we've lost, what, half a million people per year since he became president have lost health insurance coverage. He hasn't talked about how they've been undermining the Affordable Care Act administratively. Right. So let's put the issue of the ACA case that we are currently talking about. Let's put it on the side for a minute. But administratively, we know that

his administration has been defunding the navigators, the assisters and other programs that were intended to increase coverage and enrollment in our community. Right. They don't talk about the fact that they used lots of that money to run negative ads about the Affordable Care Act, again, to undermine the law. So there are a lot of things that have happened administratively that we should be taking notice of as well. So we have this case, and so obviously we'll wait to see what the Supreme Court decides. But what then happens, what changes with a Joe Biden

being in the White House? Sure. So I think what you're going to see is Joe Biden pressing that rewind button on the Trump administration's health policies. And then you will see an unwinding of many of those regulations, many of those sub regulations and executive orders that President Trump had signed. And what this means is that you're going to see this unwinding of policies around the Affordable Care Act, right? We could talk about that quickly if we have time. We know that also with the Medicaid program, we will see some unwinding there. Same thing with reproductive health. Drug pricing is going to be another issue, along with many of the health equity provisions that were included and that were bolstered by the Obama administration. So I think you're going to see a lot of that happening. undermine any of the health policies that were intended over the last 40 years, in fact,

intended to bolster health equity policies that I know many of your viewers, you know, have been working diligently on a bipartisan basis to get implemented. But the Trump administration is the first administration that has been very strategic, very deliberate in undermining those health disparities. And in fact, even the HHS strategic plan, the Department of Health and Human Services strategic plan, which had long enjoyed the prioritization of health equity or the reduction or elimination of health disparities, that is no longer a priority under this administration.

I think Biden, as we all know, is taking a very robust health equity lens to the work. And I think what we will see is greater investments than even under the Obama administration. From what we can tell, you'll see greater investments in this effort to advance health equity for all groups. And that particular point, again, this is what people have to understand. With Biden being in the White House, this has nothing to do with Congress, nothing to do with whatever they decide. Until the Supreme Court rules, if they rule to affirm the Affordable Care Act, again, they will control the levers of power and now go back to aggressive recruitment and trying to help folks when it comes to the Affordable Care Act. That's right. So I think, you know, there are a lot of priorities that

VP Biden had in mind, the public option being one of those, which I'm still hopeful that it is a very popular health policy, but essentially what the VP wants to do with that, and I'm a little nervous about the turn of events then relative to the Senate, because if he doesn't get that majority, it's going to be a little more difficult unless he can pull off some of the more moderate Republican senators. But this public option, right, intended to increase individuals who are between 60 and 65, allow them to access Medicare, There are there was also an attempt for those who fall in that gap. They live in states that haven't expanded Medicaid. They live in states where they cannot afford the premiums in the health insurance exchange. VP Biden wanted to open those up as part of his public option policy priority. So that, I'm afraid, may be challenging depending on the outcome of the Senate. All right, then. Daniel Dawes, we certainly appreciate it, man. Thank you so very much again, folks. Please pull up the book. His new book is called The Political Determinants of Health. That's, of course, that's critically important when we talk about what's happening

with us and how we have been negatively impacted by coronavirus. Daniel Dawes, thanks a lot. Thank you, Roland. Appreciate it. All right, I want to bring in my panel right now, A. Scott Bolden, former chair, National Bar Association Political Action Committee, Robert Petillo, executive director of the Rainbow Push Coalition Peach Tree Street Project, also Rena Shaw. She is the Lincoln Project Women's Coalition. I'll start with you on this one, Rena. When we talk about the Affordable Care Act, we talk about, of course, how vital it has been. Republicans have been yelling, screaming, and crowing about it, have not offered any real substantive plan. The thing that is still crazy, as you talk to folks about this,

who somehow can't seem to understand what it really means when people don't have health care, when you look at Medicaid expansion across various states in this country, how in red states they have voted against the Republicans to expand Medicaid, because people understand, man, if you don't have health care, you're screwed if you're a family. That's right, Roland. I mean, my viewpoint is far different than most people because I'm married to a physician. I'm the daughter of a physician. I'm the sister of a physician. I live this day in and out. And also in 2008, 2009, I was on Capitol Hill as a junior health legislative assistant for a member of Congress,

a Republican. And I got to hear and see what the Republican talking points were on the Affordable Care Act at that time. Now, in my public health education as well, there was not a great focus on what the Affordable Care Act's long-lasting impact would be. It was from the university level, from academia, as always, that this is a good thing for our society. We need more people covered. My first job in Washington was at the National Association of Community Health Centers. And I worked on a website that summer, this was in the year 2006, that was called Save the Safety Net. And so we've always had a safety net. We've always committed to taking care of those Americans who are too sick to care for themselves. But the reality is in the year 2020, as we live in the middle of this pandemic, some stark realities have come to the forefront.

And I think a great many people in my native West Virginia are waking up to that. I'm the co-owner of a clinic there with my family. We offer primary care and family medicine services. I know firsthand what these people are experiencing. Without access to care, it is a really tough life. Nothing works for you. And I think what we know now is that our community health centers, the safety net that we have in this country, was simply not enough. So here I am 12 years later sitting in front of you telling you I think the Affordable Care Act was an excellent thing. At that time, I said, OK, good thing.

Pre-existing conditions, that's something we can all agree on. That was the one thing Republicans said, sure, that's something we can agree on. But now I look at this and I see how people in red states like my native West Virginian, like I just said, have benefits so much from just being covered. And there's a lot of data to back this up. Living here in this pandemic right now has exacerbated, really, the fact that we have so many political impediments, political barriers. And so we can't manage America's health crises without addressing what the political determinants of health really are.

And one of the greatest ones is coverage, simply being covered and not worrying that going to an emergency room is going to break you, bankrupt you. And this is what we owe to our fellow Americans. We are in a moment of fundamental debate in this country, which I think is a good thing. Look, I'm not a proponent of Medicare for all because I think we'll fundamentally restructure the American economy. But look, my mind is open to change, like I said. And I just think we have to start somewhere. And that somewhere means that we ought to call out the Republicans for stopping what they've done.

Just as Attorney Dawes said, administratively chipping away an act that has served so many Americans in rural and urban areas so very well ever since its passage. Robert, this is obviously a huge, huge, huge issue in this country, and health care shouldn't be a partisan issue. Well, you're absolutely correct. And what I think people need to think back to, think back before Obamacare, the debate around that, and think back to HillaryCare back in the early 90s. What Obamacare turned out to be, or as Tim Pawlenty called it, Obamacare, the debate around that, and think back to HillaryCare back in the early 90s. What Obamacare turned out to be, or as Tim Pawlenty called it, Obamacare, it was a version of or closer to the Republican health care plan of 1993 than it was to the universal coverage idea. So that we are already started at the stopgap measure. That's why Republicans haven't been able to offer an alternative to Obamacare,

because we are already starting from their alternative. So in this upcoming election in Georgia, and I know we're going to cover later, it's important for people to realize that what is on that ballot on January the 5th is whether or not we will be able to expand the Affordable Care Act, whether we will be able to provide health care coverage to the 10 million people who have been infected with coronavirus, and whether or not insurance companies can use a previous COVID-19 diagnosis as a justification to remove coverage from an individual. So fundamentally in America, we have to rethink how we look at healthcare. Healthcare can no longer be considered a luxury item. It is something which is essential for society to function. When I was a kid, we had what was called DGS insurance, which is don't get sick, because you were not going to the doctor unless you were on death's door. We were not taking you to a hospital. And when you provide

medical health care that way, that's death care because people do not get checked out. They do not get the short-term medical care that they need until it's far too late and they require intensive services. So America can do better. I think we're in a position where we have to do so. Scott, again, this is when you start looking at these critical issues. This is one because it impacts every single every single person in the family. But the other thing that people don't understand is, again, the impact of health care and how it has driven folks into bankruptcy. And what you have here is you have, okay, you have Republicans who hate it. All right. Like I keep saying, if you hate something, what's your alternative? And the bottom line is they haven't offered one. They simply haven't.

Yeah, Roland, that's an amazing fact that coupled with the fact that the top 10 poor states in this country are red states, and in those red states, many of them are the people who need health care the most, who are under HCA right now, as the Republicans chip away at it, that voting electorate continues to vote for Republicans versus Democrats, and the Republicans only attack Obamacare, but they don't have an alternative plan. It's sheer lunacy. And so it not only drives people to bankruptcy

if they get a $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 bill, but it also drives those same individuals if they don't have any insurance and health care, it drives them to the emergency rooms for a cold, for a flu. It drives up hospital costs and then drives up health care costs and drives up pharmaceutical costs simply because they don't have a plan and they don't have a doctor. Mostly poor people, poor people not engaged,

and kind of people who are off the radar are attending these hospitals, driving the cost up. And so the credibility of the Republican Party, for the sake of America, they need to either have a plan or stop attacking the plan that most of their voters like. Remember, 60 to 70 percent at various times of this country, that statistic approved of the the health care act. They hated Obamacare, but they approved of HCA. I think that we're seeing like look right now with coronavirus, we're seeing right now how it is it is going crazy in El Paso. It is that There was this video I saw yesterday of massive lines in Illinois as they were trying to, folks were trying to get, in their cars waiting to get tested because Illinois has had more than 10,000 deaths in that state.

And so, Rena, what's unbelievable is that, and I think the contrast, I think the contrast today is a perfect example between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Today, Joe Biden was actually in Philadelphia laying the wreath. And in fact, here's a video here. This is Biden and his team going to lay later wreath for Veterans Day in Philadelphia. You see in the midst of a midst of a pandemic, Joe Biden, Joe Biden with his mask on, Jill Biden with her mask on all the other individuals around them with their mask on. Rena, you see that now we're going to now we're going to sit here and transition to transition to Donald Trump. This was Trump. This is the video here of Trump and all of their folks at All International Cemetery. Y'all, it's like, seriously?

I mean, Rena, you're sitting you're watching Trump. You're sitting here watching. You're watching Pence. You're sitting here watching Pence. You're seeing all the spouses with him. Nobody's wearing a mask, as if this thing is not real. You know, when I see these images, Roland, I think to myself, my gosh, these people really think they're better than everyone else. But a mask is not just for oneself. It is about those people around you. And that is the fundamental truth is that we know public health awareness. It's, I mean, this has been gone on

for the entirety of my life and I'm, I'm only in my mid thirties, but I'll just say, it just sounds completely nonsensical to me that these people wear a mask one day, and then the next day, it's sort of, okay, let me just go about my business without. That's just, you know, the disconnect, the fundamental disconnect that voters could not see. Those 71 million fellow Americans of mine could not see the visual images that we get all the time in the internet, wherever you look, media of any sort. Even if you're not looking at media that is favorable to your candidate, you are still seeing images of him wearing a mask one day and not another day. And it just doesn't make sense that they deny health science. I got it.

They invite in denied environmental science. The Republican party has been doing that forever. And I think it's the sort of younger generation like myself that I don't hear it as much. And thank God for that, because I am not a denier of truth. And when I see facts and I see science, I don't deny that, because I think we've made it this far. You know, really, we all live to the life expectancy we have these days. Why? Modern science, advancements in health and research, all related to fact and truth. They reject it over and over. But to me, if you can't be just a sensible person who looks at these images and thinks to yourself,

is it because they think they're better than everyone else? It's like they're operating on another plane. So the good news is that we won't have to take much longer of this. But I look at some of the realities, and I'm kind of encouraged by what Scott just said. It was really great, Mr. Bolden. The point was, is that how Republicans really rely on the rest of the country. And I read a tweet from Paul Graham, and that was today.

And Paul Graham tweeted, though Trump campaigned as the pro-business candidate, Biden won 70 to 29, measured by the productivity of the counties that supported him. And now look, when I read that, I just had one observation and I wanted to be truthful about it. I know it's very blunt, but my argument is the GOP represents poor, unproductive people that exist on the federal distributions of blue America. This is a fundamental truth. They need to wake up to this. We've woken up to it. People like myself who intend to lead the party

into the future, we've woken up to that fact. And I don't mean to say poor people are always unproductive and unpredictable people are always poor, but I've been looking at the GOP for a while and I see a lot of things add up. And it's added up to me that these people rely on blue states. And so, how much more,

how much longer do Republican politicians think this charade is going to go on? Well, here's... Robert, here's what's crazy. The Centers for Disease Control yesterday said mask wearing benefits the person wearing it and then the person who is around them.

This is the New York Times story. Watch this here. The agency also offered an economic argument, saying that increasing the proportion of people who wear masks by 15 percent could prevent the need for lockdowns and cut associated losses of up to $1 trillion, or about 5% of gross domestic product. So the folks who are bitching and moaning about lockdowns and masks don't realize that if you wear the mask, we won't have to have continual lockdowns. Well, even if you remember back to the guidance from the coronavirus task force, they said that if you are unable to socially distance, then wear a mask. They explained the droplets, what happens with the covalent shell, with the lipids, all that stuff has been out

there. And even beyond that, you can just simply look at the nations on earth where mask wearing is ubiquitous. I went to Japan last year. They were wearing masks before coronavirus even broke out. And they had one of the lowest numbers of fatalities on earth because they already take public health protocols. You cannot both be ignorant and lazy. And so I think the issue with the Trump administration is the reason everyone in that photo didn't have masks on is because they know they will be okay. They're going to get the detstamentazone. They're going to get the rendizivir. They're going to get the monoclonal antibody treatments. They're going to get all kinds of experimental stuff, the super soldier serum from Iron Man, whatever, or from the Captain

America. Whatever it takes, they will be fine. But what their followers don't understand is when you're sitting somewhere in a trailer park, you are not going to be getting those experimental medications, and you're not going to have the same healthcare outcomes that Donald Trump and Melania and Mike Pence and everyone else have gotten. You're going to get that Herman Cain treatment, not the Ben Carson treatment they're going for. So people have to listen to the medical science. And the reason they try to discredit people like Fauci and everyone else who's in the medical profession is because they have sold people the bill of goods that simply machismo and American exceptionalism is enough to kill the virus.

And that simply does not work. The thing that's the craziest, Scott, is the White House political director tested positive for coronavirus. Secretary of the House Ben Carson, his wife, tested positive for coronavirus. Then Peter Alexander tweeted, Trump ally Healy Baumgartner says she tested positive for coronavirus. She was at the White House party on the night of the election. So now twice in three months, the White House has been responsible for super spreader events. These people are stupid. There is a reason they should have lost.

And this is a perfect example. Yeah, you're absolutely right. In fact, if you look at some of the media reports, they looked at where these super spreader events, these campaign events for Donald Trump were over the last two or three weeks. And they saw in those counties there was a rise in those counties of COVID-19 spreading. They couldn't tie it directly to those massive events, but it's hard not to if you, through race that was a major contributor to it. But guys, I got to tell you, this is far simpler than the complexities of what I've heard from you

and my panelists. If you interview the Trump supporters, the average Trump supporters, and you ask them about science and COVID-19 and why aren't you wearing a mask, their responses reflect what they're getting from Donald Trump. If you ask the people in the White House and the leaders of the GOP why they're not wearing a mask, why don't they believe in science, they mimic what Donald Trump is telling them, which shows you that leadership from the top and the messaging from the top, right, and this cult-like belief in Donald Trump is more powerful than we've ever seen before. His followers are just as ignorant as he is.

The people he hires are just as ignorant as he is. And they've got COVID-19. He got COVID-19. And his followers are getting COVID-19. It's a real simple equation. And he's at the core of it. Donald Trump is at the core of it. And, you know, it's funny, Reena, I'm sitting here and I'm going through, I don't follow him at all, but I'm going through the Twitter feed of Donald Trump. And Bishop Harry Jackson Jr., who was one of Donald Trump's, was listed as a spiritual advisor, I think it was on Easter. He prayed with him. You see a lot of photos with evangelicals standing behind him. He died on Monday. OK. Had tested positive for covid two days previously. But if you want to see how Donald Trump doesn't give a damn about you, I'm looking on here and maybe I'll find it.

I don't even see a tweet acknowledging the death of Bishop Harry Jackson. Don't Trump don't give a damn about none of these people. He don't care about any of his staff members who gets this. He don't care. And these fools. So let me real quick. You will got to be stuck on stupid if you are going to the White House to be with a man who doesn't care about whether you live or die. Exactly. It's like they have to be faced with that. It has to be thrown in their face for them to understand. It has to be broken down in such a way. But, you know, I think I really heard something here. And I think that was echoed by both my fellow panelists is that there is just a fundamental disconnect with how they see us. And, you know, when I think about us, I think

about black and brown babies like my children and those children, over 600 of them, who they cannot locate their parents, the children that were in cages. Lawyers say it's worse than they thought. They cannot locate the parents of these children. It breaks my heart, but it does not break the heart of Donald Trump, who I unfollowed on Twitter just the other day, by the way, I must say, and I encourage everybody to do so because we have a president-elect now. And, you know, look, you got to smile or laugh about something in this era because it is just so much worse.

And, you know, when I talk to some Republicans, they say, well, Obama, he built those cages. He put those kids in cages. And then you just think to yourself, OK, now I've got to start at point A here. I've got to break down for them how it all went down. But the reality is, is that the average voter throughout our land is not reading much, is not much connected to any form of news. I mean, they might consume it in the form of fast food headlines here and there, but the vast majority of Americans are not really plugged up or in the know

of kind of what's happening in our nation's capital or in their state houses. And then secondly, they reject it because it's just far too complex for them to listen to. So there's almost a rejection of fact right there. But when I say that black and brown people are adversely impacted by COVID-19, I have data to back that up. I have stats to back that up. And if I go to some Republicans and I say

Herman Cain, Bishop Harry Jackson Jr., these are prominent black people who were near the president and were in his orbit and contracted COVID-19 and are now dead. And the president doesn't care. Why? Because the color of their skin. And that's just what it boils down to because this country is very racist. I've opened my eyes up to that this past four years. I used to reject this. And look, I'm still not a fan of identity politics and coloring everything and sort of like, okay, I'm Indian American. I used to say when I was growing up, I'm just American. I'm born here. My parents happen to be of Indian ancestry. I'm of Indian ancestry, therefore. But I just really think it's time to wake up and see how they see us, because only then can any sort of progress be made. Otherwise, we're operating

from a plane of, OK, I came here thinking something different. I'll give you, for example, and I only want to take a second with this real vignette. The day after the election, I was on air on a foreign outlet opposite some guy, Eli Bremmer from Colorado. Anybody interested in looking this guy up? He's like a two-time Olympian, former Marine, or in the armed forces. And since today is Veterans Day, I want to say thank you to all those who've served. And I respect that. I respect somebody who's put on the uniform for us. But this guy's coming at me hot and heavy because I, in my opening statement, said that I do not accept this president. I have not liked him. I find him to be ridiculous on many levels. And I sort of backed it up with why I gave all the

examples from mocking a disabled reporter to Charlottesville, how he's disappointed me. I tried to give him a chance. I prayed for him. and I'm done with him. And Joe Biden has won and he needs to concede. Well, this guy progressively got more, I guess what you could say is his comments towards me were hate-filled. And I thought I was just there to offer some analysis and give my point of view as a lifelong conservative who supported Biden. This guy spends the final couple minutes of the segment saying that he doesn't think the Republican Party would want me back in, insulting my character, calling me out for being angry because I raised my voice and I got very worked up and passionate. But as you know, I've been here on this show with you for many years. I do not scream at anybody.

I never call anybody names. This guy was trying to show an international audience, not just our fellow Americans, that my anger was unfounded and that I am indicative of how the left operates and that it was crazy to me. He was painting me out as an unreal character. And it occurred to me then is that my passion is perceived as anger simply because I operate and act differently. My temperament's a bit different. The way I communicate is different. And therefore, he was painting me out a certain way. And I heard this over and over about Kamala Harris against Mike Pence in the VP debate, that she was too angry.

She was too aggressive. She needed to stay in her lane because her behavior was not right. I think it's because Black and brown women, we are not, again, looked at and perceived to be on the same plane as white women. There's a racism there. Thank you for hearing that story from me, by the way. It was deeply painful. Well, it's there, but here's the deal, though. Identity politics is a reality because that's all politics. Politics is broken down into groups. And so I don't care who you are. And so when you say soccer moms, they mean white suburban women. When you say NASCAR dads, we know what that means.

And so that's all different categories. All right, folks, got to go to a break. We come back again. This is Veterans Day. Also, we've got some other stories to cover. We've got a historic appointment when it comes to a black female in the Navy. We'll talk about that story as well. And also on the show, a new black app by Isaac Hayes III.

We're going to break that thing down. And, of course, Donald Trump, the most laughable lawsuit, y'all. It gets even funnier by the day how they keep claiming voter fraud, yet they can't seem to find any. You're watching Roller Martin Unfiltered. Back in a moment. We could get Lil Wayne, Drake, the Migos, Cardi B, Beyonce, Jay-Z, Kanye, we gotta get every person that they listening to to say something informational and positive about voting because they not listening

to the average just vote. We gonna have to do some skits about why and what happens when you don't vote. We're going to have to do some skits about why and what happens when you don't vote. You know, when you don't vote, then you have no community. You're like, hey, they changed Dollar Street to emancipation. I don't want that. Did you vote? Because they asked. They asked.

You know? You got to get... You got to hit people where they... where they staying at. Like, understand what you're not getting by not voting. Let me give you a concept of, hey, you know you could have this, and this school could be better. It could have this in this school.

But you know how you get that? By voting. But you don't want to vote. What you need me to do? You want me to put a food truck in front of every voting stand I'm handing out? As you vote, get you a hot plate as you walk off? You know, what do I need to do to get you to understand

that this is all? Do I need to get a bus and drive around and go to every elderly home and pick them up? Pick them up. Tell them we doing this bingo. They was saying, pick them up. They gonna get on that bus. We going to bingo? And we got free divers, too. Raphael Warnock grew up in a house full of brothers and sisters.

His parents taught him the value of hard work, like me. Like me, he was first in his family to graduate from college and went on to earn a PhD. He thinks insurance companies should not be allowed to discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions, like me. Like me, Reverend Warnock knows that both parties in Washington could use some moral leadership. I'm Raphael Warnock, and I approve this message because it's time we had a senator

who put Georgians first, like me. I'm John Ossoff, and too many are struggling to afford prescriptions. One change in the law would make a huge difference. See, Medicare is America's biggest buyer of prescriptions. But the drug companies bought off Congress, and they made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices. It's straight up corruption. Fighting corruption is my job.

I approve this message because I'm not taking donations from corporate PACs, and I won't let the drug companies rip us off anymore. First year I voted, I was 20, 1980, and me, with my radical mind itself, I voted for Angela Davis for president of the United States. And, uh... You wrote her in? I wrote her in, yeah.

And then it was Jimmy Carter versus... Right, Jimmy Carter versus Reagan. ...Reagan. And then I realized that, okay, this is the World Series pimp game at the top, and I just realized the game of mathematics at the top. And then we got Ronald Wilson-Reagan, which devastated our communities for an eight-year run,

and then you had the four years of Bush. But it was the trickle-down factor that came out of that, that, I mean, it was devastating in the area I came from. But I then knew that the voting, yes, the trick game was going on, but you better really seriously try to understand that like they used to play the numbers back in the day. You got to figure out the numbers game. All right, folks, let's talk about that race in Georgia. The deadline to register is December

7th. December 7th in that particular race, the runoff will take place on January 5th. It will pit, of course, Pastor Raphael Warnock against incumbent Senator Kelly Loeffler. And then, of course, you have John Ossoff, who's challenging incumbent Republican David Perdue. Now, here's the deal. Early voting, December 14th. Now, already, y'all, they starting a mess. Go to my iPad, Anthony. Kelly Loeffler, she put out this tweet today. Reverend Warnock is a proud defender of Jeremiah Wright. He called police officers thugs and gangsters. He's anti-Israel, anti-Second Amendment, and sympathizes with Marxists too extreme for Georgia.

First of all, you ought to hear this nonsense. Watch this, y'all. Meet Raphael Warnock. He wants you to know he eats pizza with a fork and a knife. He once stepped on a crack in the sidewalk. But Georgians don't care about that. Georgians care that Raphael Warnock was a proud defender of anti-American, anti-Semitic pastor Jeremiah Wright, who suggested America deserved the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Not God bless America, God damn America! We celebrate Reverend Wright.

Warnock said law enforcement officers are gangsters and thugs and a danger to children. He's anti-Israel, anti-Second Amendment, sympathizes with Marxists and socialists, and wants to make your neighborhoods less safe. Don't let him fool you with pizza and puppies. Raphael Warnock is too extreme for Georgia. Ooh, Robert.

Ooh, Robert, the black guy is too extreme. He's too extreme for Georgia. This is the same Kelly Leffler who trashed Black Lives Matter, where she co-owns the WNBA team. Her own players basically told her to go to hell. How do you think that's going to play with black voters and white voters in Georgia? Well, I think that commercial, you know, that was written directly from the 2008 anti-Obama playbook. I think it was literally word for word what a John McCain ad said

back then with regards to Jeremiah Wright and Marxism and extremism. This is not going to work. Let's understand that if it was not a jungle primary on November the 5th, Pastor Warnock, who's my pastor at Ebenezer, would have won straight out. In Georgia, during the jungle primary, the names are listed in alphabetical order, Warnock being at the end. Even being at the end of a list of about 20 candidates, Warnock got the most votes of anybody in that jungle primary. So what we're going, in addition to that, another benefit coming on January 5th is that the Secretary of State today announced that the other statewide runoffs will also be on January the 5th instead of December the 1st. So that means my friend Daniel Blackman,

who's running for public service commissioner, will be on January the 5th now, as well as the runoff between Howard Franklin and Kwanzaa Hall for the remainder of John Lewis's term. So by moving those to January the 5th, that means we're going to have enormous turnout in Atlanta for both that congressional seat for John Lewis, which will have former city councilman Kwanzaa Hall campaigning for, as well as Howard Franklin and the Public Service Commission race. Normally, in a runoff election, you get about 10 percent voter turnout compared to the general election. We're going to have several times that number because of the interest in this race, the amount of money that's going to be spent in this race. And there's a very good chance that Pastor Warnock will win his race versus Loeffler, who is a political neophyte,

who has the issues with selling off stock and being in coronavirus, who said that she is the most pro-Trump senator that there is in order to beat Doug Collins in that crazy primary that they're running against each other in, and also who's been disowned by the WNBA and who has ties to Wall Street because her husband owns the New York Stock Exchange. So Pastor Warnock has an outstanding chance. We would have to push those turnout numbers on January the 5th. We have voter registration all the way up until December 7th. Early voting starts December 14th. You have the opportunity to request your absentee ballot right now in Georgia.

You have to get your absentee ballot application. Then they send you the ballot. Then you can send the ballot in. It's a three-part convoluted process. But with that in place, if you have the same early voting numbers that we got for the general election, then more than likely Pastor Warnock will win, and by extension, John Ossoff will have the opportunity to win also. And that is that this is one of the things that Stacey Abrams put out here.

She said if you're a college student registered to vote in Georgia, you can actually request your ballot at ballotrequest.sos.ga.gov. You can also, if you have any questions, call the voter protection hotline at 888-730-5816. And so that's one of the things that she put out there as well. And the thing that's interesting to me, Scott, is, again, you're seeing, so Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas, Senator Marco Rubio, they picked up on what Kelly Loeffler is putting out there. And I'm just sitting here saying, all right, y'all can try to use Reverend Wright. I mean, I'm just trying to figure out, Kelly Loeffler, you're trying to say that a pastor at Ebenezer is anti-Israel.

He probably can give you a lesson on the Bible. Exactly. and the Koran, and the other religious book. The Torah, forgive me. But wait a minute, guys. I'm a little disappointed in your intro on this, because Karen Loveler, the one who's been endorsed by QAnon, and the QAnon and their they're racist and they're called for violence, that the congresswoman, I believe from Alabama or Georgia, campaigned with Kelly Loeffler in order to get this race

that has turned into a runoff. Is this the same Kelly Loeffler you're telling me about, on top of the WNBA and her team rejecting her. We ain't talked about that. So the gall of her to suggest that Jeremiah Wright, one of the greatest preachers of our time, or in history, if you will, regardless of whether you believe in what he preaches or doesn't. But QAnon? Oh, and by the way, there are a lot of white people on the front lines with Black Lives Matter demanding and protesting the police who act like thugs, if you will, and criminals. Let's just call

them what it is. They may not all be that. But I also think that if you tolerate that on your police force, you are just as liable. That's another discussion. But let's not forget the QAnon or whatever you call it, that is this mythical conspiracy of deep state and racism and calls for violence against people. That's who she not only has embraced, but they've endorsed her as well as she's campaigned with their representative. Enough said as far as I'm concerned. Rina, go ahead. This is the same Kelly LoE KELLY LAWFLOR THAT IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, SHE AND TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND THEIR ADVISORS

SOLD HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN STOCK AFTER ATTENDING A CLOSED-DOOR BRIEFING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS. THAT'S THE SAME KELLY LAWFLOR. THIS WOMAN... YEAH, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, OH, AND OKAY, NO

SURPRISE, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IN MAY OF THIS YEAR CLOSED THE INVESTIGATION INTO ALL THREE OF THOSE SENATORS FOR THOSE STOCK I mean, oh, and OK, no surprise, the Justice Department in May of this year closed the investigation into all three of those senators for those stock trades they made, you know, when the coronavirus was causing market turmoil. But these guys got the tip. So the fact that this woman is a U.S. senator just disgusts me. I mean, she's just ridiculous on every level. Number one, the imagery. I mean, I guess it resonates with some people, but she is just so she is so non-representative of the American woman. And so I actually I'm not surprised that she she got involved in insider trading like that because she's probably like, what? This is just business as usual. So anyways, that's how I feel about Kelly Loeffler. But we should look at the facts here.

And in Georgia, it's not great facts, but there's a silver lining. The Senate elections are usually likely to turn out more Republicans there, and that's based on past election data. Now, we know, though, the African-American voter turnout in the general election was historically high in Georgia this year. And I think that's what's going to motivate African Americans again. We've got to be real about this. Georgia, whites in Georgia, more likely to be Republican when they're affluent and white. They are more likely to be Republican and more likely to turn out for runoffs. We've got to combat that. I'm very proud of what happened in the general. I think Stacey Abrams deserves, man, medal upon medal, but the work is not finished. This has already felt like the endless election. And even though all of us agree and know that

it's fact that Joe Biden has won, this was something I was a bit afraid of, is that the Trump campaign and his lawyers want to prolong this thing. So I don't know if Scott can offer any input here as an attorney, but my sense is that this whole hand recount thing, which is really an audit, it doesn't matter, it's just verbiage at this point. But I think Trump and his people think it could be to their benefit because it kind of puts off certifying electors. Could it lead us to a situation where Georgia legislature certifies electors in Trump's favor?

Is that kind of the endgame here? So I haven't had a chance really to investigate that today, and I apologize to the audience that I have not. But I don't know if Scott could shed any light on that. Well, anything's possible with this Republican Party. Let me say this. The second prongS. Senate to determine who to certify, the Trump electors or the state legislature, Georgia state legislature electors, or the Biden, the winner, Biden electors. If it doesn't make a difference or it doesn't change the outcome, that's the second prong of any test on these audits or these runoffs. So I still don't think so. They still

have to put up or shut up. And so the Georgia race, going back to the Georgia race, let me just say this real quick. This higher turnout that we're going to have in this special election because of the money and what's at stake at the Senate, I think it helps also more than it would help than it helps, ironically, Warnock. Because Warnock and his race has all the celebrity and money and media attention, but also barely forced a runoff. And now with this heightened scrutiny on it, right, I think he's going to be the surprise that he's going to beat Senator Perdue. We'll have to see. But what do you think about that theory? Well, I think really what you're dealing with here is that I the only way there is going to be a heightened turnout is if the ground game is put into place. Typically, there is a dramatic drop-off

when it comes to runoff races. So what has to happen is there has to be this really focus. Republicans have already announced that they're going to send Mike Pence to Georgia. Personally, I don't think Donald Trump's ego will allow him to sit in the White House. I think he is going to go to Georgia. I think, and you're already seeing this, I believe that Fair Fight, Stacey Abrams' group, I believe

you're going to see Black Voters Matter. You're going to see Until Freedom. I know a number of groups who are already focused. I can tell folks, you know, we are going to be focused there as well. I mean, I'm literally sitting here looking at a house that our team can rent for the entire month for five weeks. We plan on having multiple crews who are going to be in Georgia as well. We want to be in those places such as Albany. We want to be in Savannah. We want to certainly be in Atlanta. We want to be in Fort Valley. Our plan is to go to those places where black voters are, talk to them. And so that's one of the things that we're doing. So that's going to be intense focus. But this runoff is going to be, they could talk all day about money. They could talk all day about

blanketing with TV ads and radio ads. This is all about ground game, Robert. And if you're the DCCC, if you're, I'm sorry, you're the DSCC, you're the Democrats, it has to be about ground game, ground game, ground game. You have to look at the last election. You have to look at the runoff and say, what do I anticipate there being a drop in terms of turnout? And then how can we get our people out? That's how they're going to have to win this race. You're absolutely right, Roland. our people out. That's how they're going to have to win this race. You're absolutely right, Roland. Back in 2010, I was the field director for Ken Hodges,

who was the candidate for attorney general in Georgia. And we had a 159-county strategy where we had either a church or a supporter. And every single county in the state of Georgia, we hit the ground hard while I think Roy Barnes was running for governor that year, hit the airwaves hard with commercials. We got more votes from the third spot, from the attorney general's spot, than Roy Barnes got for governor or that the person who was running for lieutenant governor got from the lieutenant governor's seat. Georgia is all about ground game and knowing where to go, when to go, and how to get there. Even in the deepest red Confederate flag, MAGA country part of Georgia, there are Black families, Black churches, Hispanic populations that can be reached out to and touched and that many people forget to get out of there. You cannot just campaign in Atlanta and think you're going to win an election

in Georgia. Once you cross 285, you're in a completely different state. And if you do not understand that territory and how to campaign there, then you're not going to be able to win. And one of the problems that Democrats often have in Georgia and the South in general, they'll get a race like this that's close, where you have a run there, they'll bring in people from D.C. and New York and California to try to run a poll-tested and focus group-certified campaign, and those always lose. You have to hit that ground running. And it's important to have a message that's going to turn out your base. Runoffs are about turning your base out, not about persuading new voters.

So instead of trying to find that one swing voter who voted in the 1984 election for Walter Mondale, it seems you can bring him back to the Democratic Party. You need to be hitting these communities in Columbus and Albany, Augusta, Macon, Statesboro, Rome, Georgia, Carrollton, Athens, all around the state where you have minority populations that vote 90 percent for Democrat and making sure you get them to the polls. Bus buses, churches sold to the poll, early voting matters. And we have those sorts of turnout numbers. That's how you win a race in the state of Georgia. Yeah. That's what is going to boil down to. Raina, how do you see Republicans playing this race? I mean, obviously, both sides know how critically important these two are. Democrats, excuse me, Republicans right now have a 49-48 advantage. They won the seat

in Alaska. If they win these two seats, they'll be 51-48. If they win one, 51-49. Democrats need both to force a tie with Senator, with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris being the tiebreaker, which means they will control the chamber. And so how will Republicans try to go after these two seats? Well, I think it's going to be a everything in the kitchen sink sort of effort, because the reality is, is that Joe Biden is up 14,000 votes, right? And that's where we're at. That's truth. And that's in Georgia. So there's a lot of disgruntlement right now amongst GOP operatives down there of sort of like, how did we get here?

But I also know how we got there. I look at, okay, well, let me be clear here. I've looked at some exit polling. I don't really trust exit polling fully. And I think all of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt right now until we have complete totals everywhere. So I will say this. I think obviously GOP operatives are fretting. Ossoff is a sort of known quantity. Warnock is not, politically speaking, Ossoff having run before. But I think the wild card here, I think, is Warnock. And I've already started to see

on the right, the stories come up. And I was not aware, for example, that Reverend Warnock and his wife are divorced and they'd had a domestic dispute as he was preparing for his Senate run. Well, no, that was an alleged domestic dispute. It was an accident. It went nowhere. Okay. So she alleged that you for bringing that up. She alleged that he drove over her foot. She alleged he drove over her foot. That's right. It went nowhere.

That's good to know. I mention it only because I was not aware of it previously. I saw the Atlanta Journal-Constitution covered it way back in March or whenever it happened earlier this year, and then they got divorced what, a few months later? I didn't even know he was married or single, whatever, but I'm seeing this headline popping up again. And I know that the GOP has a problem with what, white suburban women

who are around my age in their mid-30s, particularly because we have young children. We've gone to liberal colleges mainly. We've come back and lived in the suburbs of Georgia. This is a reality is that this disinformation campaign or making Warnock seem out to be like an angry guy who runs over somebody's foot just because it's coming out because they want to question sort of his fitness for office. And I think that's what they're trying to put in the minds of these younger white suburban women is like, hey, you might be good with Joe Biden because he reminds you of your very sweet uncle who is from a nice era and very statesmanlike. And look, I've been so impressed by Joe Biden and how he's been handling this Donald Trump concession stuff.

But what they're trying to sow doubt with, which is rich of them, is sort of, are you good with this black man who you don't know much and hasn't really been in the light that we all know much? He's been part of Ebenezer, but do you really know him? Do you know he was involved in this? So that's what I see kind of happening right now. And I think operatives are going to get really, really nasty in the next few weeks. So we all have to be really alert as to what is truth and yeah, what's fiction uh look with a purity test and all this though is it uh roland go ahead i mean there's no there's no character purity test each of these four candidates have their either political or personal flaws so what i mean donald trump's not going to be on the ballot down there uh loveler and war not going to be on the ballot down there. Loeffler and Warren are not going to be on the ballot.

If you want to compare characters, I'll take the minister's character over Karen or Loeffler's any time. If they want to get into that dirty kind of smack and match, if you will. I don't know whether that's going to be a big issue. I understand the GOP strategy, but Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have got to get down to Georgia. The whole personality piece, it may be relevant, but it's not going to be dispositive because the Senate and who controls the Senate is going to be on the ballot down there. And I think that's what's going to turn out or going to drive that turnout. This is a national race, even though it's in Georgia. And so we'll certainly have to see.

Again, I say it's going to help also because of the national attention and the money going in there right now. But getting people to the polls, getting them to the polls on Election Day or before Election Day, if there's early voting, is going to be key. And whoever executes that the best are going to win these one or two races. Look, I think that, look, it's going to be an enormous amount of money. When, you know, Nancy Pelosi spoke out about, you know, how the candidates run there in Georgia, I was like, you know what, let the folks in Georgia figure it out. And then to your point, Robert, that is exactly it.

Frankly, white consultants coming out of D.C. can't come into Georgia to say, Robert, that is exactly it. Frankly, white consultants coming out of D.C. can't come into Georgia to say, hey, this is how you win Georgia. That's not going to do it. The people in Georgia know best in terms of if you look at Warnock and Ossoff, because I'm quite sure they are going

through that and they're looking at the numbers. They're looking at precincts. They're looking at who voteds. They're looking at who voted, who didn't. Somebody floated this story today that 95,000 people voted for Biden, didn't vote for anybody else. I'm sure people are like, okay, where are those votes? Because this is going to be a close, close race and margins are going to matter, which is why if black intensity, if black turnout intensity is at a high rate, that can very well offset what is happening other places.

You're absolutely right, Roland. I cannot implore the party enough. A half billion dollars on both sides of the aisle is going to be spent in this race in the next 60 days or so. So it's crucially important to hire black consultants on the ground. Hire local consultants in your local region. Don't simply think you're going to hire a kid from Emory or somebody from Gwinnett County and send them down to Brunswick, Georgia to do door-to-door campaigning. It's not going to work. Work with the local organizations. Put street money out there. The Black church is alive and well as a motivator of people to vote in this state. Make sure that you have somebody who can connect you with those ministries and get out there

on the ground. Do not sit up in Buckhead thinking you're campaigning to the state. Do not lose this race that we've seen happening before. And don't try to bring out of state issues to Georgia and think you're going to campaign on them. I've seen where they'll bring something which is popular in California and think that you're going to win a district attorney race in Telfair County with it. It simply does not work. So the local touch is crucially important, and that ground game and that effort. Don't just run commercials on cable news and think you're going to win. You have to put money into black radio. I don't care if it is a podcast or talking on somebody's iPhone who has 100000 Instagram followers. You have to get out there and touch people where they are and make sure that you are beating the bushes to turn out your vote. Don't do this whole song and dance where you try to convert the Reagan Democrats back to the party.

This is not the time for that. Ten percent of people who vote in general elections usually vote a runoff. You've got to get that closer to 15 or 20% on the Democratic side if you hope to win. And I think that one of the things they're also going to have to do is, and again, this is, look, this is one of the hardest things, I think, for these campaigns, frankly, to understand black people. What often happens is they'll say, well, you know, we're going to focus our money just on the media outlets there in Georgia. We're a little bit different in that our people are communicating with our people in Georgia. We're communicating with HBCU students. this show, when you support syndicated black radio, you're also hitting those particular places because we are reaching out to our folks there as well. And I think that's one of the

things that these campaigns don't quite understand about African-Americans in terms of the role that black media plays in terms of being able to drop information to places like that. You're absolutely right. And so if you're not advertising on black radio or black television, black media, if you're not working with all the organizations, you know, we have conference calls each week with Rainbow Push, Urban League, NAACP, Fair Fight, NSAID's group, New Georgia Project, so many people who are organizing on the ground and who are working to get these people out,

who have been working on these things for years. You don't have a blue Georgia without Helen Butler. You don't have a blue Georgia without Rita Samuel. You don't have a blue Georgia without Janice Mathis. Those are people who have been fighting these fights long before people even knew there was a fight to jump into. And you have to support those organizations. Don't just go national, go granular and make sure you're talking to people where they are. Those are the folks who are going to win this election

for you. Folks, we've been showing you all this drama. We showed you yesterday the Daily Show video about just the hypocrisy of especially all you folks on Fox News. The folks at The Washington Post put this mashup together. And if you want to see how nut, how just nutso these people sound today compared to 2016, watch this. There is absolutely no way to rig a national election. They are handled at the local level. So what's going to happen is they're going to have their recount. And then let's just hope they accept that Donald Trump was elected. The big question is whether or not this is so widespread, and Brian, you used that word a moment ago, widespread to overturn an entire election. Hillary Clinton's campaign said

it is supporting recount efforts that are led by Green Party candidate Jill Stein. Now, this is insanity. It's all about trying to undermine a Democratic election and, of course, Donald Trump's decisive victory. Of course, they have no actual proof of voter fraud or any wrongdoing. Democrats, they just want to try and block any and all audit of what are now growing examples and, frankly, affidavits of ballot irregularities

and outright illegality. So the idea is that Russia somehow got into the software that runs the voting machines and manipulated the results. Is there any evidence that's true? I mean, I'm not saying, you know, like, I'm always open to evidence, but that seems insane to me, and we shouldn't suggest it unless we have actual evidence. At this stage, the fraud that we can confirm does not seem to be enough to alter the election results. We should be honest and tell you that. Of course, that could change. We don't know how many votes were stolen on Tuesday night. We don't know

anything about the software that many say was rigged. We don't know. We ought to find out. If there's every election that doesn't need a recount, it is this one. What about the arrogance of people saying the president can't get a recount or can't look into the allegations? Somehow Donald Trump was not the duly elected president of the United States. This is all a distraction. In closer, particularly contentious races, Democrats, more so than Republicans, seem to have a problem conceding defeat. I love these legal challenges because we have to get to the bottom of all this and expose fraud where it occurred. Oh, my God. Then, of course, you have Fox News media guy Howard Kurtz.

He's worried about the amount of anger we're seeing as a result of the election. He tweeted this from Trump's GSA barring Biden transition officials from federal buildings to Whoopi Goldberg telling his voters to suck it up. Both sides are playing the politics of payback. Why the anger still rages and the election feels endless. I'm sorry, Rena, has Howard actually watched his own network? It's like they all need a mirror. I mean, look at the Trump administration, how anti-American it's being right now and casting doubt, stirring conspiracy theories and doubt upon the legitimacy of our free and fair election.

And these are the most un-American folks. And yet they want to try to point the finger and they've been so hypocritical. I mean, everything they say is just so oxymoronic, everything that comes out of their mouth. I mean, whether you're looking at these anchors on Fox or anybody that works in the Trump administration right now, who, by the way, knows in their heart of hearts that their job is over. But, look, I mean, I think Kurtz brings up something that is so important and we ought to talk about it is that and look, you might not like this all the time. But what I have to say, but it's really that both sides have been inflaming, fanning the flames for a long time.

Now, I know that it's been the Republicans, particularly these past four years, because they have the Oval Office and that man has a bully pulpit. And he has been just worse than I ever expected. But you do see a lot of this division having been drummed up by both the parties. I think we're just in a moment where we need somebody mature. And that's why I'm so glad Biden's our president-elect, because he's going to continue to lead in maturity. He's going to encourage America to realign with its democratic norms and institutions. That is the one thing that I believe Donald Trump was extremely successful in these past four years, is breaking down the trust we have in our institutions, really eroding the pillars in places like our Department of

Justice. And so what I love about Biden is that he speaks calmly to the strife. And I think he will be very much a huge part of what will be the civic renewal era, or can be. We don't know yet. I mean, it's going to start in January. He can be the beginning of our public officials, elected leaders extinguishing the flames of this partisan bickering that is just, it is characterized how our politics has been for too many years. And these past five years have been exhausting in this way. I mean, I get it. It's an uphill battle. And Biden has it in his own party. When he talks about unity, I mean, I think he's talking about that fight in his own party.

But like I said, both sides are guilty of inflaming the rhetoric. But, you know, the good news is we have Biden, who's remained a really measured tone regardless of everything. He showed that through the campaign in the primary that he wouldn't bow to the left's extremes. And he was also, you know, he's all about partnering with all sides to build this really broad coalition of decency. We should feel encouraged. We should feel hope because we shouldn't listen to these pundits and a lot of people who want us, who really, frankly, they profit off of us being more divided. So here we are.

I'm not trying to listen to none of these damn Fox people, Scott. I know they call you because you're safe, but... Why you attack me like that? I'm just messing. Matter of fact, I saw Robert on that too. They like... No safer than you. No, you know Robert on that, too. Not safe. They like you.

No safer than you. Now, you know damn well you safe compared to me. Oh, you do the networks, too. You know. Hold on, boy. Now, Scott, now, come on. Now, calm down. Now, you know damn well. I don't like your voluntary attacks. You know damn well I'm way too black and radical for them compared to you now. Come on. I just like nice things. Okay.

All right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. But it's, it's, it's amazing. It's amazing to listen to these fools. Just a complete reversal, a complete reversal.

I mean, they will suck up to Trump on anything. And this is, this is the fundamental problem with the Republican Party today. And that is, they will suck up to him and then, don't even flip the Newsmax and OANN, they're even more crazy on those networks.

Well, it's cult-like, and it's rooted No, no, no, not cult-like. It is a cult. Not cult-like. It's cult-like, and it's rooted... No, no, no, not cult-like. It is a cult. Not cult-like. It's a cult. Right. As a matter of fact, they pass the Kool-Aid all day.

Exactly. And they're going to be politically dead after they certify the results of this election, which is a great ending for a political cult like this. But let me be real clear on something. Listen, the Republicans have driven this narrative for the last four years. Tell me one thing the Obama administration over eight years did that was politically divisive or used politically divisive rhetoric.

Raina, I just disagree with you. It's kind of hard to argue that both sides are guilty of it. When you look at what the Republicans the last four years have done to this country, the support of the president, the attack on our institutions, the racism, the xenophobia, the sexism, I find the Democrats in a reactive mode. They didn't control all three houses like the Republicans did. They didn't attack Obamacare simply because it was Obamacare, if you will. And so I think we have to be careful when we talk about, you know, the attacks coming from both sides, because I just don't believe that at all. You had the Merrick Garland issue. You

had the Charlottesville issue. I mean, I can give you 10 or 15 issues where the Republicans were just dead wrong about this. And the Democrats were fighting for human decency. And now Biden comes along, and now everybody in the media and everybody on the Republican side and even some Dems want him to be the great unifier, if you will. Even Obama, when he inherited a depression-like economy from the Bush administration, was criticized by the Republicans for not fixing it fast enough. So I just reject that.

I understand Biden's got to do what he's got to do. But I got to tell you, I'm a little sick and tired of the Democrats having to be the grownups in the room and withstand the Republican attack that destroyed the country. It's just not fair. But, Robert, I don't think that's—first of all, that's not why Biden is doing that. The reality is, if you look at the polling data there, Biden pulled a percentage of Republican voters. He pulled those independent voters as well. And that's really who he's playing to. I mean, the bottom line is he can't he. First of all, look, even in Atlanta, in Detroit, excuse me, in Philadelphia and Detroit, that was a decrease in terms of in terms in terms of in terms of black turnout.

They're still studying the exit poll numbers. And so he got the overwhelming numbers there. But you still had this drop. So so the reality is he he is where he ran differently and he has to govern differently because Democrats don't have 235 seats in the House and 55 seats in the Senate. You're absolutely right. I also understand what President Trump is doing right now. This election is not over and it's not going to be over until January of 2025, because what every indication is, is that President Trump is running again in 2024. He's going to be launching his media network. They're going to be poaching off a lot of that talent that got thrown off of Fox for being too radical. So you'll see the Diamond and Silk show. You'll see Bill O'Reilly will probably have a show. Trish Regan will probably have a show. And they'll build the

Trump network out with some of the talent from the Blaze and from OAN. And they're going to be running a Vichy government in the shadows on trying to undermine and control the narrative against Joe Biden and campaign to those 71 million people that supported and voted for President Trump and the probably 100 million others who did not turn out for him or were unable to vote for him. So this election is not over. So because of that, Joe Biden has to be cognizant of the fact that this entire four years is going to be the campaign. It's going to be the campaign. It's going to be the election. As Howard Kurtz said, this is the eternal campaign.

It does not end. It continues. But here's the deal, though. Now, hold on, Scott. Here's the deal. Folks must be prepared. Folks must be prepared for this. Donald Trump is going to be leading the opposition. Dude ain't going anywhere. Let's be real clear. He's not going happen. Let me also give you this news right here.

I'll go to my iPad. Lauren Underwood in a district with very few African-Americans in Illinois, she actually has taken the lead. This is a tweet from Dave Wasserman. He says, new Illinois 14th Congresswoman Lauren Underwood, African-American. Her lead rises to 4, two hundred eighty eight votes versus Jim Oberweiss, the millionaire. And again, it's also out of recount territory. So that's one of those seats Democrats were looking to take back. I do want to go ahead and talk about this here. I'm I'm getting let me just I'm really getting sick and tired of these damn progressives who are acting a complete ass.

They're acting right now, complete ass. Okay. Sniping at each other, blaming each other. Last I checked, the Democrats won the White House. Last I checked, they still control the House. Last I checked, if you win two Senate seats, you control the Senate. They're acting like they lost. And I think one of the biggest problems here

is that these progressives and these Democrats, they thought there was going to be a blowout. They thought, oh, we're going to have 57 seats in the Senate. Man, we're going to go to 235, 40 in the House. Oh, my God, we're going to sit here and get 400 electoral college votes. It didn't happen. I wish they would shut the hell up, stop going at each other,

and focus on Georgia, then focus on leading after January. But this whole deal, oh, defund the police is why we lost. Oh, you didn't run. That's what they're saying over to AOC. And she's saying y'all didn't run strong digital campaigns. I'm like, Democrat, do you know how to enjoy a win? They can't help themselves, Rowan. But I wish they would shut the hell up.

Because what you're doing is you're taking the emphasis off of where it should be, which is when those two Georgia seats focus. I got this. I mean, I saw this dumb ass tweet today. And yes, I said a dumb ass tweet. He blocked me. Somebody screenshot of this. Let me find it. This is just dumb ass tweet from sean king same thing okay uh let me find this so i can uh so i can show it um i'm gonna pull up in a second but it's just stupid it's just it's like they're spending time on stupid stuff and i'm like you know what this is

this is how you snatch... Let me show you this right. So again, Sean King blocked me because I had the audacity to lightly criticize him because he can't take criticism when he was wrong going after Rachel Maddow during the primary over

something she said about Bernie Sanders. God forbid you criticize Bernie Sanders. This is a stupid tweet Sean King sent out. And I'm calling it stupid. This is what he's tweeted. I live in Hakeem Jeffries District. Drop the lower third. I live in Hakeem Jeffries District in Brooklyn.

I know at least five people that I think could challenge and defeat him. He's severely out of touch with his own constituents. He's also as weirdly obsessed with AOC as most Republicans disturbing. No, Sean, disturbing is you tweeting this when the election, the next election for Hockeye and Jeffrey is two damn years away. OK, maybe the problem is you're obsessed with bullshit. OK, because the real focus right now is not on somebody running against Hakeem Jeffries. The real thing is, can you beat Purdue and Leffler? This is stupid, Robert. It's stupid.

Well, you're completely correct. And Sean King wants to be doing something. You know, he should be in Atlanta for the next month or so, just like you. You're going to be just like Barbara Arnwine is going to be, C.K. Hoffler, Ty Gary, many of the people who are actually organizing folks to vote need to be down here. Go to the AEC. You have millions of social media followers. We're rallying those people to vote, both get their absentee ballots and get them turned in. Forget about getting them to the polls on the 5th. Get them to vote right now. You can hand out documentation. You can send them to the website. You can send

out the social media information to get those votes banked. If you want a progressive agenda, you're going to have to have progressive people in office. And even if somebody is not as progressive as you, they're still going to be more progressive than David Perdue. So you can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. And I think a lot of this comes from these folks are young. They haven't experienced the awfulness of life yet. They don't understand you're going to be disappointed more times than not. And all you can really hope for is to get the best out of it that you can. And if you're going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, you're going to end up with Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell and Michelle Bachmann in the House of Representatives. And then we'll be going

back to the draconian policies that you just were trying to change. So it's worked together for a little while. One thing that Republicans have been able to do, and part of the reason they are able to maintain political hegemony from the minority demographic position is because Donald Trump can say that Ted Cruz's wife is ugly and that his dad killed Kennedy, and they still work together. Lindsey Graham can say that Donald Trump is a con man and he'd rather drink bleach than have to vote for him and then work together for four years. We have to figure out how to be adults and not let these petty internal squabbles negate the public policy gains we're trying to make. This is why I think Sean tweeted this.

He got all this back and forth on social media. Go to my iPad. This is the political story. They quoted Hakeem Jeffries on this call they had last week where Democrats were blaming each other back and forth. Do we want to win? Do we want to govern? Do we want to govern or do we want to be in Internet celebrities? And so what they're doing is they're like, oh, he's taking a shot at AOC. Here's the deal. And I have said this repeatedly and I don't understand,

Rena, why people don't get this. And that is this. The Democratic tent is far larger and more ideologically diverse than the Republican tent. On the Republicans, you're either right, far right or nuts. It's three right, far right or nuts okay on the democratic side there are conservative democrats there are moderate democrats there are center-left democrats there are progressives there are far left then you got far far left folks that are so left they might swing back right. OK, that's what you got. And the reality is this here. Democrats, Republicans control 31 state legislatures, which means they are in control of drawing the boundaries for congressional seats, which means that you have more hard right districts than you have hard left districts. And where? Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and on and on. And so when people say we can't run on defund the police, that's true, depending on your district.

You can't run on I'm a socialist depending on your district. You can't run on, uh, Hey, I support fracking depending on your district. So what Democrats have to do is shut the hell up and allow, which we've been saying, allow people to run a certain way in their district and understand, Rena, that Republicans are going to run ads against that person saying they're going to be

a puppet of Nancy Schumer. This is what they're going to do. I'm looking at political right now. This is on their front page. The GOP's Georgia boogeyman, Chuck Schumer. This is going to happen. But what Democrats need to do is stop all this back and forth bickering that plays out in media and shut up and say you lost some races. You thought you were going to win some, but you still won, Rena. Now your focus has to be on Georgia and then reclaiming seats in 2022 when the map is actually set up better for Democrats than it is Republicans. That's right. It's about the numbers here. And I really love what Robert had to say, too, is that there is a bit of the age thing playing in here, no doubt. I mean, this is a sort of eagerness to go ahead and make sure that Nancy Pelosi and Schumer go to retirement quicker than they expected. I mean, look, people, young people like AOC probably feel like, what the heck?

Why are these guys still around? You know, here I am, pretty much an international celebrity, the figurehead of a movement, she and the squad. But, I mean, I think there's a reality here is that there's a long game to be played and they should be celebrating this as a win. And there's no doubt on, in my mind, that that broad coalition building I spoke about and praised Joe Biden for is what got Joe Biden to where he did. And he's, you know, he's getting very close to closing in on the same number that Trump did in 2016. So, you know, if Democrats nationally, you know, and in these federal seats want to be smart and play this the right way, they need to do exactly what you said. They need to keep their mouth shut and stop blaming people like the Lincoln Project.

When I saw AOC's tweet, I lost so much respect for her. I actually had started to come to feel like she was really coming into her own and was becoming very strategic herself. But I think she's lost sight here of the really big picture. And if this kind of behavior continues, they're digging their own grave. So, I mean, let's acknowledge the facts for sure, is that the GOP is not dead. This was a referendum on the man in the Oval Office, but not exactly on those Republicans holding seats all the way down ballot. You look around, you see the Republicans held on in the Senate so far. And I mean, they didn't get the flips they wanted. The Democrats did not get the

flips they wanted in the House. But the reality is you look at Republicans in the state houses, there were gains made. You look at the number of Republican women that were elected. It's a bigger number than ever. So I think that the country really, Democrats throughout the country need to acknowledge this. And I know a lot have, but it needs to really permeate and make its way through the ranks of those who've come up like AOC types. And I'm certainly not talking about Lauren Underwood types. I mean, I think Congresswoman Underwood, I'm just so glad, by the way, to see that lead she's got. She's been measured. She's been really good.

But there are a number of others, like Rashida Taib. You know, they really ought to just close their mouths because they're still – it shows the results of this election. What we know so far is that conservative policies are still pretty much in favor throughout the country. People don't want the tax hikes that could stop the growth of the economy, whether it's post-COVID or right now in COVID. But, you know, there's also not vast support for Green New Deal, for things like, you know, cutting oil and gas and coal. There's just not widespread support for that. And so this needs to go back to a moment where I think younger Democrats, those who are very progressive and are trying to hijack, say to themselves, what kind of game is the other side playing? The other side is trying to paint us out as very fractured while they all get in line behind dear leader and whoever the next appointed dear leader would be.

Scott. Yeah. My mother used to say, just because you got an opinion doesn't mean you got to share it. Everybody in the room doesn't even know how you feel about something or somebody. And I understand the media and politics and stuff. But, you know, it's a big picture. And, you know, you're right. They ought to be focused on the Senate.

You can have those conversations privately. Why does Sean King and AOC and others have to have these public discussions that are hurting the big picture for the Democrats, whether they're young or old? Well, first of all, here's what happened. Now, first of all, there was a call last week among the Democratic caucus. That call, it got leaked out. It got reported on. and there were comments made. She also was interviewed in the New York Times. Look, stories are going to be done.

The point I'm making is, here's the deal. Do I believe that AOC is an Internet celebrity? No. What she is is a very popular, there are a lot of people who love her across the country, but there are a lot of people who don't. And the reality is, she appeals to those people who she appeals to. Got it. But folks need to understand that that's not how every district is run. Just like you can't run like Maxine Waters in every district.

You can't run like Jim Clyburn in every district. You can't run like that. Everything is based upon how your district is set up. And you have to take care of your district, right? You got to take, you got to. Yep, the 700,000 folks in your district. But take care of your district. And there's some people being called the carpet. Scott, go ahead.

Scott, go ahead. Man, I said go ahead. Stop whining. Go ahead. Your ass be interrupting everybody else, and now you're getting all sensitive. Now go ahead and finish. I'm not sensitive. Come on, Kappa. Come on, Kappa.

You take a representative district like Lucy McBath, a conservative suburban district of Atlanta, right? She ran against Handel. She handily beat Handel because she focused on her district. She didn't, while the Republicans tried to get to paint her the way they were going to paint her, right? She spent a lot of time nurturing her district because she was in a much closer race two years earlier, right? That is a model race that she ran and that the Democrats needed to hold onto that seat.

And she beat her by at least 10 or 20 percentage points, right? It encapsulates what you're saying in regard to each district being different. If you take care of your district, then you can, the Democrats can have all of these different groups within the big tent, right? But they've got to be free to take care of their districts to maintain their electability. Yeah. So that's what I, again, I, the, all the back and forth helps nobody at the end of the day. Uh, it is about winning. It's about winning. And yet Democrats, guess what? You won. Okay. Shut up. Celebrate the fact that you're in control. And now your focus should be in the next cycle, how to build upon that. That's what you do. But you don't sit here and you keep the back and forth

and the whining and the complaining. That helps nobody. It helps nobody, and it just makes no sense whatsoever. All right, folks, let's talk about this good news right here of a sister who's in the military. Midshipman First Class Sidney Barber will become the first black woman to assume the top role leading fellow students at the U.S. Naval Academy next semester as brigade commander.

There's the highest leadership position within the student body. The semester long position is selected through an application and interview process by senior leadership and the commandant staff. Barbara is from Lake Forest, Illinois, and a mechanical engineering major. Her career goal is to commission be commissioned as a Marine Corps ground officer. So certainly congratulations go out to her. And so, folks, real good there. One of the things that we also looked at on this Veterans Day is exactly, first of all, a happy Veterans Day to all former and current members of our military.

We certainly appreciate your service. A poll by the Military Times in August showed a continued decline in active duty service members' views of Donald Trump and a slight but significant preference for President-elect Joe Biden. Trump's attack on mail-in ballots made a lot of military members angry. They even are fighting the ballots being counted right now. And so, but also, and this is a real quick conversation here. I'm going to start with Rena. We'll go Rena, Robert, then Scott. Rena, those comments by General General John Kelly. I also think I talked to some folks in the military said that he didn't come out publicly, but he never denied those comments, that those comments reverberated through the military. And it's no shock to see how well Joe Biden did with military voters. You know, look, Trump's reckless tweets casting doubt on military votes that were lost. I mean,

that just continues to show blatant disrespect for our nation. Just blatant. I mean, his claims about being so pro-military, Trump claims to be so pro-military. That's opposed. He's clearly disenfranchising military members' votes. So, when you look at this thing, and I look at Trump, I know military members have woken up. I know their families have woken up and said, what the heck is this? Disenfranchising military voters is so disgustingly un-American

and is a huge disservice to those of us who've worked to sustain our system. I mean, that's it. That's what it all comes down to. I mean, these men and women, we are the land of the free because we are the home of the brave. And Donald Trump is not for them. I mean, he's just an un-American man doing what he's doing, casting down on their votes. Robert. First, happy Veterans Day to my sister, my brother-in-law, my other brother-in-law. I come from a family that's well steeped ined in the military, and we do not have the freedoms that we have without their service. And I think it's important to remember that part of the reason that we saw the results in this election are Donald Trump attacking Gold Star families,

his attacks on John McCain, saying, I prefer people who did not get captured, calling military casualties losers and suckers. He brags about increasing funding for the military, but does not mention the reason that military funding was cut under the Obama administration was because of the austerity measures forced by the House of Representatives under Cantor and Boehner in order to have the debt ceiling compromised. So Republicans cut funding to the military, or forced funding cuts to the military for the sequester, and then Donald Trump brags about them getting power

and increasing that same funding without funding a revenue source to offset it, which has increased the deficit, which Republicans theoretically were against the entire time. So the fact that we are seeing this rampant hypocrisy, this lack of respect for the military, is going to be a sea change going forward, because what Democrats have been arguing for for decades is that the best

way to respect our militaries by having a humble foreign policy does not put them in harm's way in foreign theaters for no clear goal and no clear reason. And the best way to respect our servicemen, men and women, is to keep them safe and at home and not entangled in foreign wars of convenience for treasure and not for the national security of the United States of America. Scott? Yeah, I agree with my colleagues. I can't think of one reason why a commander-in-chief of the United States military would ever attack them and then give them money but attack them. There's really no basis for whatsoever. And so when you attack the military votes, and you need those military votes, right,

you need them to win, and then you attack them. It makes no sense. It's just more stupidity on the part of Donald Trump. All right, Scott, Robert, and Rena, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Coming up next, folks, our Tech Talk segment with the son of Isaac Hayes. He has a new app that you might be very interested in that we'll discuss next. Roll the button and filter it. So not only do I have to figure out what these candidates stand for and what they're talking

about when they're giving all these speeches and literally every other word I might have to look up in a dictionary just to figure out where their viewpoints are. I have to also figure out, okay, I have to look at my history. Am I allowed to vote? Will I be arrested sitting in federal prison because I cast this ballot? Then there's what county am I in and where do I go now to vote? And then it's, okay, there are all these other, you know, all these different categories of people to vote for.

It's not just the president of the United States. It's just, you know, you've got your governors and you've got your Senate, you've got your statesmen, like all these different things that you have to, you know, and then all of those, all their platforms are not, they're not laid out there. Do you know what I mean? Like you have to go and you kind of have to like- You gotta put the work in. Yeah.

1982, a 12 year old is accused of stealing and dragged out of store. Told he looked suspicious because his hands are in his pockets. I'm Raphael Warnock and that boy was me. Back then, I didn't understand how much the system works against those without power and money, that the rules were different for some of us. Too often, that's still true today, especially in Washington. I approve this message because it's time for that to change. I'm John Ossoff, and the path to recovery is clear.

First, we listen to medical experts to control this virus. Then we shore up our economy with stronger support for small businesses and tax relief for working families. And it's time for a historic infrastructure plan to get people back to work and invest in our future. We need leaders who bring us together to get this done. And that's why I approve this message. Too often, we will look at others and make a judgment on what they should, shouldn't do. I think we all have to operate based on our convictions, right? And that conviction,

especially when it comes to being politically active, is going to take a different shape in each individual relative to who they are, their platform, their background, so on and so forth. But I agree with you that we all, especially in this moment that we're living in, should feel compelled, no matter what our sphere of influence is, is to do something to help make this thing different. All right, Isaac Hayes III, executor of his father's estate and tech founder,

is raising money for a new app. Folks, let's talk about exactly what that app is. Isaac, what's going on, man? What is Fanbase? Fanbase is a social network that allows people to monetize their content, finally, every single person. All right, so when you say monetize that content, and so obviously right now there are folks who are on Instagram, they're on Twitter, they're on Facebook, they're posting stuff and they're getting lots of views, but they ain't making no money.

Right. They're not. And that's an enormous problem because we're all content creators and there's really no monetization. There's a lot of content that people put enormous amounts of effort in and don't see return on anything that they do. They shoot skits, they do dances, they're doing makeup, tutorials, all kinds of stuff, but there's really no money being made. So I wanted to provide a solution for everybody to monetize their content and actually have subscribers and followers at the same time. So how does it actually work?

How does the monetization work? Are folks paying a subscription fee? I mean, just explain exactly what Fanbase is. Yeah, so Fanbase allows you to have followers and subscribers. You can follow all your friends, but if you're a real big fan of uh uh 21 savage you can subscribe to 21 savage and his exclusive content and you have that same subscription power too so you can post content where people can subscribe to you so i've monetized everything from photos to videos to long form content up to one hour like your your own netflix or even going live. And so you can have subscribers and you can love content on my platform.

And when you have a piece of content, you give the content creator half a penny. You can like for free, but you can also love content and say, hey, let me tip you half a penny or two and you can love a post as much as you want, even in the live feed. So you can make money going live that way. So like on that point,

when people go live on Instagram right now, it's just, and then they give out their cash app and people, you know, they can give that way. So, so like on that point, when people go live on Instagram right now, it's just, and then they give up their cash app and people, you know, they can give that way, but there's really no other way for you to monetize a live stream. Yeah. I mean, there, there are other solutions that people are trying to come up with, but I feel like, uh, giving the user an enormous audience, um, without having algorithms that slow your engagement down. I think you and I both know that on some of these platforms, they throttle down your engagement because they want you to pay for ads to access your audience. I want to do the opposite.

I want to give you your entire audience so that the more people that have eyes on you, the more people you convert into subscribers and actually earn revenue. So I'm going the opposite direction. I want you to have your entire audience. And so let's talk about that. You know, you put this together because your experience has been just a little bit differently, frankly, than some other folks. Because, you know, what was it that you saw

where you said, you know what? I mean, it's great having all these followers, but I'm sorry. I'm just feeding the beast of Instagram and Facebook. Well, there's this young kid about two years ago that goes by the name of Ghetto Spider. He's from Memphis, Tennessee. He went viral doing a dance inside a game stop um in a spider-man costume dancing the aha take on me and me being born in memphis i just reached out and just said wow like you went viral from the hometown congratulations and the first

thing he asked me was was i a manager and i probably said well i managed some artists in my dad's estate but you know what's up he's up? He goes, I really need a manager. And so I thought about it. And I said, well, let's get in contact. We exchanged phone numbers. And I never really reached back because I was thinking, this kid has all this talent, but he can't monetize Spider-Man because Marvel owns Spider-Man. But he has this enormous amount of talent. He's having this great viral moment.

What can he do? And I said, he needs to be able to get paid for his content, his talent. And so that really gave me the idea to build the platform. So we're on your. So you so you are you're going through the raise right now. This is a video. This is your Instagram page right here. And you've raised one hundred and fifty,000 for the app. What is your goal? How much are you trying to raise? And just explain that. And if people are interested, where can they go?

So what I'm taking advantage of is Barack Obama and Joe Biden passed some legislation in 2012 called the JOBS Act. And so I need to explain what the Jobs Act is. The Jobs Act allows anybody to invest in a seed stage company. So before 2012, from 1933 all the way up to 2012 for 85 years, the only way you can invest in a private company in the seed stage was to be an accredited investor. So that means you had to have a net worth of a million dollars minus your primary residence or make over two hundred thousand dollars a year for two consecutive years how many people do we know that have that absolutely not so it doesn't matter if you're white if you're black it was about being wealthy so only wealthy people had the opportunity

to invest in these early companies so moving to the tech era with the instagrams the facebooks the tick tocks the twitches all these companies that came about you never got a phone call to invest in a seed stage um round of a company so the jobs act lowered those regulations and allows anyone to invest in a seed stage company um regardless of how much money they make or their net worth and so i took advantage of that on this platform called start engine and so right now i'm raising a million dollars on start engine we launched a campaign um last uh friday yeah the last friday i think no sorry the friday before last we're almost 11 days in and i've raised 150 000 in crowdfunding from um the general public and people that decided that

they wanted to invest and so we're doing extremely well um the raises on startengine.com fanbase the minimum to invest is 256 dollars so anybody can own part of this company this platform as we grow we've had a lot of traction um we're moving at a very fast pace but again remember like seed stage companies go on to make an enormous amount of revenue if they have a liquidity event like an exit or an IPO or a merger. So that's one of the most important things that I encourage everybody to go check out Fanbase on StartEngine.com. And so that's really what I want people to do, because we can't really miss this moment to think about this, that number one, Orrin Michaels was a seed investor in Uber and he raised Orrin Michaels, the seed investor in Uber. And he put four thousand dollars, five thousand dollars in the Uber in the seed round.

And nine years later, that's worth twenty four million dollars. So think about that. That's an incredible amount of money in a siege stage. So everybody has an opportunity to invest. I want to turn hundreds of Black people into millionaires that have an opportunity to invest in a tech culture and a tech app because our culture drives these social networks, right? We take our dances to TikTok. We take our humor and wit to Twitter. We take our talent and our content to Instagram and nobody's getting paid. I wanted to build a platform and enter

the space as a black founder alongside all these other tech platforms, but give us the opportunity to not only own our culture, but monetize it as well. All right, then. Again, folks, they can actually go to startengine.com forward slash fanbase

where they can check it out. Go to my iPad, please, and you'll see it right here. It lays out all the information there. Drop the lower third, please. It lays out all the information there. And, again, this is, folks, if you choose to invest, look, there are rules there. It's all based upon. It lays it out there, what the requirements are, all those different things along those lines.

So check it out. Read all the information if you're interested. Take a look at that. But Isaac, certainly congratulations with that. And we'll be seeing you on your way trying to raise that million bucks. Absolutely. Thank you so much, sir. I appreciate it.

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