#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 2.5 RMU: #TrumpLiesMatter at SOTU; Senate acquits Trump; Wendy Williams goes in on Jay-Z & Beyonce

Episode Date: February 16, 2020

2.5.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: #TrumpLiesMatter at SOTU; Senate acquits Trump despite Mitt Romney voting to impeach #45; Texas Southern University Board votes to fire President Austin Lane; Gov. Gavin Newsom grants a posthumous pardon to openly gay civil rights leader, Bayard Rustin; Wendy Williams goes in on Jay-Z & Beyonce for not standing for the National Anthem at the Super Bowl;Michigan State University apologizes for their hanging black dolls display. #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Are you looking to enhance your leadership or that of your team in 2020? Join Dr. Jacquie Hood Martin as she engages others to think like a leader. Register and start the online course today! www.live2lead.com/Leesburg #RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Today is Wednesday, February 5th, 2020, coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Last night, Donald Trump gave a state of the union speech. Damn, how many times did he lie? We have them. We're going to show you the lie and then show you the truth. Oh, and nothing but the truth. So help me God, not the one white conservative

evangelical's like. In a surprising move, Senator Mitt Romney votes to convict Donald Trump for abuse of power. Also, speaking of abuse of power, the Texas Southern University Board of Regents, they voted last night to fire President Austin Lane. We'll give you the latest on that. In California, Governor Gavin Newsom

grants a posthumous pardon to openly gay civil rights leader, Byron Rushton. And also, Wendy Williams goes in on Jay-Z and Beyonce for not standing for the national anthem at the Super Bowl. Y'all remember the last time I had to deal with Wendy. I shall do it again. And Michigan State University apologizes for their hanging black dolls display.

Oh yeah, we got a jam packed show. It's time to bring the funk, right here on Roller Barton Unfiltered. Let's rolling. Best believe he's knowing. Putting it down from sports to news to politics. With entertainment just for kicks. He's rolling. It's on for Royal.

It's rolling Martin. Rolling with rolling now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's rolling, Martin. Now. Martin. All right, folks, all kinds of talking drama today after Donald Trump's getting to say to the union last night before the House and the Senate, of course.

In his 80-minute speech, he said a whole lot of stuff. And so we're going to go ahead and break this whole thing down. So what I want to do is go ahead and set it up. Are y'all ready? Because, you know, whenever we... All right. So please, can we get it right now? Because I'm about to go right into this whole deal because I need to set up all the people who are watching. So, of course, this is a Thursday of the union speech, the last one before the election in November. And so different folks, different shows talk about, oh, how strong it was and you had the pageantry and

uh he saluted the tuskegee airman he gave a medal of freedom to that racist rush limbaugh uh and then like all this other stuff but it also comes down to that's all of the optics but it also comes down to what actually are the facts and what uh do they amount to and so uh since you don't have a sting ready fine play the first one first comment by trump i am thrilled to report to you tonight that our economy is the best it has ever been our military is completely rebuilt with its power being unmatched anywhere in the world and it's not even close. From the instant I took office, I moved rapidly to revive the U.S. economy. Stop right there. Okay, stop. First of all, he said it's the most powerful economy we had in history. That's actually a lie.

You've had other presidents who've had greater GDP growth than Donald Trump since he took over as president three years ago. I mean, that's just a fact. I mean, you can dance around with it, but it's a fact. Now go ahead and play the next one. Slashing a record number of job killing regulations, enacting historic and record setting tax cuts, and fighting for fair and reciprocal trade agreements. Okay, stop right there. He talked about, again, the economy. Do you also remember what the economy was

when he took over as president under President Barack Obama? You lost more than seven points off the unemployment rate. The unemployment rate has gone down 1.2 points since Donald Trump has been president. So it's a little hard to say you inherited a bad economy when you've actually had 11 years of actual economic growth. Not only that, in the last three years of President Barack Obama's tenure, more jobs were created in America

than the first three years of Donald Trump's tenure. Folks, those are simply basic facts. Press play. African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and Asian-Americans has reached the lowest levels in history. Well, there actually was a point when we were all unemployed, but we know that was also during the period of slavery. What Donald Trump also did not talk about when you talk about economic for African Americans, black home ownership rates are at its lowest since the Fair Housing Act was passed in 1968.

I've repeatedly asked this administration, where's your federal housing plan? One doesn't exist. Press play. Thank you. african-american youth unemployment has reached an all-time low african-american uh we had bill spriggs on our show just a couple weeks ago. Who is he? Of course, Howard University economics professor,

former head of the economics department at Howard University, and top economist for the AFL-CIO. Also not true when it comes to black youth unemployment. Again, I don't understand why you would put things in a speech that are very basic that people can actually fact check. Go. Poverty has declined to the lowest rate ever recorded. Donald Trump talked about poverty and food stamps. One of the reasons why you have few people on food stamps is because they changed the regulations when it came to work requirements. And so you can't just say more people off of food stamps and poverty has decreased because you actually kicked them off because of your

regulations. It's not because of economic growth. It's because you actually changed the rule. Y'all got any more? The unemployment rate for women reached the lowest level in almost 70 years, and last year women filled 72 percent of all new jobs added. The veterans' unemployment rate dropped to a record low. The unemployment rate for disabled Americans has reached an all-time low. We are advancing with unbridled optimism and lifting our citizens of every race, color, religion and creed very, very high. Since my election, we have created 7 million new jobs, 5 million more than government

experts projected during the previous administration. Under the last administration, more than 10 million people were added to the food stamp rolls. Under my administration, 7 million Americans have come off food stamps and 10 million people have been lifted off of welfare. I told you all about that one. We know that's a lie. But you know also what was missing, the $30 billion we've given to farmers because of his tariffs? I wonder if...

Oh, I'm sorry, we don't call that welfare. We call those subsidies. Go ahead. Years under the last administration over 300 000 working-age people dropped out of the workforce in just three years of my administration 3.5 million people working-age people have joined the workforce. Like I already told you, last three years of Obama, more jobs were created in those last three years than the first three years of Donald Trump's presidency. That's just a fact. Press play. Since my election, the net worth of the bottom half of wage earners has increased by 47%,

three times faster than the increase for the top 1%. Do y'all know how much money the top 1% saved with Trump's tax cuts? Hell, that really ain't hard. Play. Play. After decades of flat and falling incomes, wages are rising fast, and wonderfully, they are rising fastest for low-income workers who have seen a 16% pay increase since my election.

Just the same party that fights $15 for a minimum wage? I thought so. Go. This is a blue-collar boom. Our roaring economy has, for the first time... If it's a blue-collar boom, why is it that we saw a decrease in manufacturing jobs by 12,000 in the month of December, even though last night he claimed manufacturing actually was increasing. Not true. Go ahead, press play. Never given many former prisoners the ability to get a great job and a fresh start.

This second chance at life is made possible because we passed landmark criminal justice reform into law. Everybody said that criminal justice reform couldn't be done, but I got it done and the people in this room got it done. All of those millions of people with 401ks and pensions are doing far better than they have ever done before with increases of 60, 70, and 100 and even more thanks to our bold regulatory reduction campaign the united states has become the number one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world by far oh my god y'all do y'allall know when America became the world's top energy producer? In 2012.

It happened under President Barack Obama. It was not because of Trump, and it was not because of his regulations. It literally happened in 2012. All right, let's go to my panel. Joining me right now is Robert Petillo. Glad to have him here from Atlanta. Executive Director of the Rainbow Push Coalition Peachtree Street Project. Also, we have Angela Stanton King,

Founder and President of the American King Foundation, Attorney A. Scott Bolden, former Chair of the National Bar Association Political Action Committee. Robert, here's the deal. If there are things that you can stand up and take credit for, you do so. But you don't stand there and lie.

And for have folks easily fact check it. We didn't come to become the world's number one energy producer because he became president. It literally happened in 2012. Well, I would say there are good and bad parts of the speech. There were the parts that I really thought were strong and powerful. I like seeing Republicans spending that much time reaching out to African-American voters. There needs to be competition for the black vote.

How do they reach out? Well, between the Tuskegee Airmen, the young woman who got the scholarship to go to college, talking so deeply about African-American unemployment, the Opportunity Zones discussion he had, reentry programs for the second chance at. So he spent a lot of time talking about the black community and black voters. And whether it's ingenuous or not, the point is that both parties need to be competing

for the black vote, because when both parties compete for the black vote, you get better policy initiatives coming out of it. So I'm trying to understand. You talked about one young girl getting a scholarship, yet he also wants to cut $1.9 billion from Pell Grants. Hold on. No, no, I'm asking,

but if you want to celebrate one young black girl getting a scholarship, but you want to cut $1.9 billion from Pell Grants, that's where most African Americans get funds to go to college. And this is why I say there's good and bad in the speech, which is on the one hand, we have Republicans competing for our votes. On the other hand, we do have to ensure that we hold them accountable for the promises they are making.

So you can't talk about the importance of black education and also talk about cutting Pell Grants. He also talked about fully funding Social Security, which he's completely not done. He talked about. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold up. And that's what I'm going to bring in. Angela. Angela, he talked about fully funded Social Security, which he had completely not done. He talked about... Hold on to that. Hold up, hold up. And that's what I'm going to bring to Angela. Angela, he talked about fully funding Social Security. He literally is requesting cuts of billions of dollars in Social Security.

He also said in his speech, protecting when it came to... Pre-existing conditions. That's a lie. I mean, it's just a flat-out lie. They're in court trying to end the Affordable Care Act, and there's no health plan. So what I'm trying to understand is,

if you want to give a speech and you want to law things that you've done, fine. But don't lie about stuff that you have not done. Well, first of all, in regards to the speech, I want to back up a little bit in regards to the little girl when you say it's one little black girl. He also asked Congress to pass a million scholarships for a million children. That's also in the state of the union. Now, if it had been a white girl, we wouldn't say nothing.

No, no, no. If it had been a white girl, none of us would have something to say. It's because it was a black girl. If you're cutting to, first of all, here's a piece here. Why is he cutting? Here's a piece. Because he wants to cut, let me just read it right here. Where is it? Donald Trump, I'm reading this here. Where are you reading this from?

I'm reading this here. Now follow me here. Donald Trump wants to cut, requested to Congress to rescind $1.9 billion from the Pell Grant program to redirect the money to NASA. Now, if most African-Americans, if you go to HBCUs, okay, first of all, most HBCUs, 85 to 90% of their budgets come from student aid. You cut Pell Grants, you're actually cutting opportunities. So why would you call for a million scholarships, but you're cutting Pell Grants, you're actually cutting opportunities. So why would you call for a million scholarships, but you're cutting Pell Grants when that's actually how folks are going to school? But he also permanently funded HBCUs. Let's not pass that part.

No, no, no, stop. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. We can fact check this. Not only that, he also lifted federal ban against faith-based HBCUs. What was the number? No, no. Please tell the public what the number was.

For publicly funded, for funding HBCUs. No, but you said where he said permanently funded. What was the number? No, no. Please tell the public what the number was. For publicly funded, for funding HBCUs. No, what you said where you said permanently funded. Tell people the number. It was 200, either 250 million or 250 billion possibly. No, it wasn't billion. I don't know exactly which one it was. It was 255 million. Okay.

Now, for the people at home. How much did Obama give them? No, for the people at home. Hold on. 255 million. Per year. Hold up. Cutting 1.9 billion per year.

255 million, 1. Hold up. Cutting 1.9 billion per year. 255 million, 1.9 billion. That ain't even a comparison. That's the equivalent of saying $20 and $20,000. How do we know what you're saying is factual? How do I know? Okay, would you like me to read it? Where are you reading from?

First of all, I'm reading the article on Forbes.com. Not a liberal publication. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. It's not about if it's a liberal publication or not. Okay, I'm sorry. Henry, go to my iPad. Here is a story, March, May 2019, from the Associated Press. Headline, Trump targets Pell Grant money for NASA's budget boost.

So has he removed this money? Have they voted to remove this money? Has he done it? Has he taken that money away from HBCUs? He's taken money away from the Pentagon to build a wall. Hold up, I'm sorry. We're going back to HBCUs. Has he taken the $1.9 million away from them?

First of all, they're not from HBCUs. It's Pell Grant dollars. Has he done it? Has he taken it? He requested Congress to cut the money. So, my point is this here. Why then would you talk about, hey, let's do a million scholarships when you're cutting it?

No, you said he asked Congress to do it. Yeah, he did ask them to pass a million, but he funded HBCUs. No! And he also... No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's HBCUs that Obama put in place. Let's be real clear what was passed. Okay. What was passed when it came to the issue of STEM dollars. We had Congresswoman Alma Adams on the, one second.

And he also permanently placed the HBCU initiative in the White House. We had Congresswoman Alma Adams and Congressman Mark Walters, Republican, on this show discussing that. It was Senator Lamar Alexander that held that particular up. So it's not like that was a creation of Trump. That was already a program that existed that lapsed... Y'all don't want to get a president credit for signing these executive orders.

Trump doesn't have to sign anything. No, that wasn't an executive order. He did sign an executive order to find... Angela, Angela, Angela. Do you want to fact check this? Angela, what was passed by Congress, that was passed by Congress. It wasn't the executive order.

He signed an executive order for HBCUs, giving them $250 million in infrastructure. That was last year. This was something else that he's did on top of that, which was separate. And he's also placed the HBCU initiative inside the White House. Let me add the $250 million infrastructure to the $255 million. Now we have $500 million. But if you're trying to cut $2 billion in Pell Grants,

I think, Scott, that the $2 billion in Pell Grants is actually going to help far more people than $500 because that's actually four times as much being cut. Why are they saying he won't do it? Sitting on the board of trustees for Morehouse College, those

Pell Grant cuts and the other cuts from this administration are far more difficult to keep kids in college at historical black colleges and African Americans at other colleges. So there's no comparison. Secondly,

given the state historical black colleges, $250 million for infrastructure for 100 historical black colleges on an annual basis is a drop in the bucket because many of them haven't put a lot of money of their own based on their own fundraising into infrastructure. One of the things about Morehouse, it's a gift and a curse. The movie with the African-American women who were the first at NASA to send the astronaut to the moon, they used Morehouse facilities because how aged they looked and were. And they compared it to in the 50s or 60s when this movie was done. And so you've got to break down these numbers when you talk about doing stuff for African-American students, historical black colleges, because those those numbers matter.

The differentials matter and the comparatives matter because we deal with it every day, every every couple of months on the board, not just a Morehouse, but even the top historical black. But when you say one point nine billion, he's trying to cut. Is that just for HBCUs or all colleges? Y'all trying to make it seem like he just trying to take, is that just for HBCUs or all colleges? Y'all trying to make it seem like he's just trying to take it away from black people. That's not true. First of all, don't you care. Let's be true. Hold up. I was very specific. Are you saying he's cutting that from HBCUs? Let me defend. I say

it very clearly. $1.9 billion in Pell Grants. So for all of the universities across the nation, it's not just black people. It's a lot of money, though. And what I said is out of the folks who do get Pell Grants, it's a disproportionate

number of African Americans and what I did say is that HBCUs unlike traditionally or predominantly white institutions, have a greater reliance on students getting financial aid. He funded HBCUs. I haven't read anything about him funding any other colleges. Hold on.

This is what I think we should do. You don't think other colleges get research dollars and development dollars? I'm sure they do. But I'm just talking about the initiative for HHBCUs. Oh, my God. Go ahead, Robert. But it's a drop in the bucket. Why would a racist get black people to get black people?

My point about last night. Hell, racism. Which lays, they're black. Exactly. Why would a racist put an HBCU initiative in the White House? Robert, I'm saying Robert's talking. It's called white guilt. My point about last night... Racism? Exactly. My point about... My point about... Robert's talking. My point about the good and bad of the speech...

Robert is talking, folks. We should give him credit for what he's done. We should hold him accountable for things he wants to do in the future and work towards getting the best public policy coming out of that. So, yes, we can give him credit for the money he's given to HBCUs. We can also still criticize him for the cuts to Pell Grants and understand

that we're going to balance the budget. Now we're running a $1 trillion year-over-year deficit. $1 trillion year-over-year deficit. Because I ain't heard none of you party on the Freedom Caucus about any, about all them deficit hawks. I mean, it's like they just all

like just went away. We're running a $23 trillion national debt. Most of that owed to China. So when we're talking about the things that need to get cut to balance the budget, we can't then say we have a $1.5 trillion tax cut for billionaires, but we also need to take away your Pell Grants

because we have to balance the budget. Or Medicaid. Or Social Security, which is what they're talking about doing. Exactly. This wouldn't be about having a balanced view. Yes, I am glad the president put more money into HBCUs, but let's build on that and find out what we can do going forward instead of seeing these things as being a completely partisan evil. When you mention Bill, this is what I talk about when I talk about the shell game, okay? And this is why when you're examining what someone does, you have to look at the totality of what someone does. It's a perfect example.

Donald Trump last night talked about the First Step Act and assisting people who are getting out. But while he is saying that, his Department of Justice is also telling U.S. attorneys pursue the most number of years you can get to put people in prison. Rescinding what Eric Holder said is your promotions are not going to be based upon

how many people you put in jail and how many years they get in prison. That's one. While he's over here touting the First Step Act, he's also criticizing the progressive district attorneys who are actually doing more to do with mass incarceration. When you talk about Larry Krasner in Philadelphia, Kim Fox in Chicago, Marilyn Mosby in Baltimore, Aaron Marcelliola in Florida, and I can go on and on and on.

You're talking about, again, First Step Act, uh, mass incarceration, criminal justice reform, which led to Department of Justice go back to using private federal prisons. You talk about... What's wrong with private prisons? Oh, my goodness gracious. Hold up, I'm not done. I'm not done.

I'm not done. I am not done. I am not done. Then he talks about,, then again, the First Step Act. But then over here, you also say we're not going to pursue federal consent decrees against police departments in terms of how they interact with people, with police brutality. and they tried to stop it in Baltimore, tried to stop it in Chicago, and he has said to law enforcement, we are no longer going to do those because of that. So the shell game is, oh, I've done this, but I've also done all of this, which I don't want y'all to really talk about. That right there is an issue. And so if you want to talk about the whole picture,

or as Paul Harvey said, now the rest of the story. That's right. want to talk about the whole picture, or as Paul Harvey said, now the rest of the story. Let's talk about this. Now, first of all, in regards to the First Step Act, what the president did was historic. Now, y'all claim he's a racist. He did not have to sign that order. He could have left all of those people in prison.

He could have been just like Obama and not got a pass. Excuse me. When we talk about... Wait a minute. Who blocked Obama from getting... Wait a minute. Who blocked Trump from building a wall? That goes both ways. It goes both ways.

No, no, actually it doesn't. Obama passed everything else he wanted to pass. Here's why you're wrong. He passed everything. Who blocked it? And who blocked Trump from building a wall and protecting his illegal integration? You're wrong when Republicans were in control

of the House and the Senate for his first two years. They could have passed the wall. But I'm going back to this here. But they didn't. I'm going back to this here. You want to say what Obama didn't do? Who blocked criminal justice reform under President Barack Obama? It was not Trump.

Who blocked it? It wasn't Trump. But who blocked it? It wasn't Trump. But who blocked it? It don't matter. It wasn't Trump. It does.

Because Trump gets blocked, too. No, no, no. At every presidency. That happens in every presidency. It was Chuck Grassley. Yeah. It wasn't Trump. Because Trump gets blocked, too. In every presidency. That happens in every presidency. It was Chuck Grassley. It was Jeff Sessions. It was Tom Cotton. Jeff Sessions did it.

Okay, are these the same people that came back? The former attorney general. But you can't whine and say, well, Obama didn't do this. They don't have nothing to do with him. You don't want to own up to it. Your party blocked it. Okay, and my party passed it. Who?

Trump. He signed it. Actually, your party didn't blocked it. Okay, and my party passed it. Who? Trump. No, you're actually... He signed it. Actually, your party didn't pass it. He signed it. He signed the executive order. Did Trump sign the executive order or not? No.

First of all, Angela, let me help you again. Did Trump have to sign the executive order? Let me help you. The First Step Act was not an executive order. The First Step Act is called an act because it's an actual law. President Donald J. Trump signed an executive order on December 18, 2018, putting the First Step Act into law. Angela, listen to me, please.

If you're going to come on any television show, have the basic facts together. Well, I want you to have your facts, too. Angela, the first, let me just walk you through. The First Step Act

started in the House. Don't matter. It was being shepherded through, Angela, excuse me, Angela. I was there when he signed it. Excuse me, Angela. Just listen. Would it have gone through without President Trump signing it?

Angela, listen. No. It was shepherded through by Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. OK. After it was passed in the House, it then went over to the United States Senate. That's where Senator Cory Booker, Senator Kamala Harris. No, no, no, no, no. Excuse me.

No, no, no, no, no. Excuse me. No, no, no, no, no. Excuse me. I'm not done. OK, go ahead. OK, if you would just listen to the facts. Senator Kamala Harris, Senator Cory Booker, Senator Chuck Grassley, Senator Dick Durbin all said these are, Doug Collins is not in the Senate. He's a congressman in the House.

But he still has something to do with the first step back as well. If you're going to come over and talk to the body, get your facts straight. OK, but Kamala and Cory in the House. But he still has something to do with the first step back as well. No, he's in the House. Come on, get your facts straight. Here's what happened. So they didn't want black people out of jail. Here's what happened. They said these things have to happen. The House version

was light when it came to they were only allowed to do sentencing reform. It was Durbin saying, this is a non-starter. The bill was changed in the Senate. That's what took place. Now, did Harris and Booker vote for it in the end? No.

Of course not. Were the changes made? Yes. Were there black caucus members who were telling them also, well, changes need to be made? Yes. Then it went to, once it got passed, then it went back to the House, they reconciled, then it goes to the president, but you can't sit here and say so

He got to the president did the president have to sign it into law no, he didn't have to sign exactly So we're gonna give him his credit for signing it into law Justice reform He signed a bipartisan criminal justice reform bill. But a white racist don't have to be black people. And by the way, but first of all. He can do both. He doesn't have to, though. He's exclusive.

He doesn't have to. Scott, go ahead, Scott. He doesn't have to. Scott, go ahead. Racists in American history and conservatives have given money to the UNCF, i.e. the Koch brothers. It's called white guilt very often. What is it guilty of? They're guilty of being racist

And make it very difficult for black people to matriculate this country nobody Republican president everybody was cool with him before he became a Actually with him and Milani what birth is in? Exactly. It's a whole bunch of black folks that appreciate that. Scott, go ahead. Go ahead, Scott. Scott is talking. Go ahead, Scott. The speech, you know, I want every president that has good economic numbers to be able to speak on it and to give the report. But when you, as you said, Roland, when you got an economy that's rolling, the problem with this president

is he didn't say it was rolling. He always compared it back to prior presidents or Barack Obama. He said it was awful. Right. Everybody does that. He was obsessed with it. Well, can we talk about the black president? One second, Scott's talking.

One second, Scott's talking. This was the biggest problem. You can make your point, then Robert. This was the biggest problem under the Obama administration. The GOP complained when he was president because he didn't clean up their jacked-up economy fast enough or good enough. Remember, he inherited an awful economy from a GOP president. Let's just be real clear. Losing 500,000 jobs per month. Exactly.

I remember it well. Now, these 11 years of growth Barack Obama's administration certainly had everything to do with that the last three years this administration and the ball take credit June of 2010 go ahead so this this president ought to take credit for continuing that growth but he doesn't do that he says it's the greatest of all time and basically a Barack administration and Prime Ministerations did literally nothing. That hyperbole, those false superlatives, is what's troubling about this president,

which is why the speaker tore up the speech, because it was a litany of more lies. To add to the 16,000 he's told in the last three years. That's the problem. I think that Nancy Pelosi was very petty for tearing up the speech. Because, first of all, the man already gave the speech to the entire nation. The president was petty for not shaking her hand. Why would you shake the hand of somebody that's trying to remove you from office? Well, she's not trying to do it.

She fought against that. Ripping up a speech after it's already been delivered to the nation. Hold on a second. You're not stopping anybody from hearing it. But this is what I want to say. So you defend him not shaking her hand. Why did he have to shake her hand? But you shake her hand.

That was so petty. No, no, actually. But it's a huge difference because the speech was about the people. It wasn't about the president. Hold on one second, Scott. But the speech was about the people that were honored. We're talking about the little black girl. We're talking about the president.

Actually, Angela, but I can also show you. Let me get my point. Hold on. Let me get my point because you won't let me talk. I'm going to say this and you can make this point. Okay, go ahead. I do recall there being a president who was respectful of a Republican speaker of the House who was also blocking many things that he did.

And see, he still had decency to shake their hand. You think she's respectful? Who? You think Nancy Pelosi has been respectful? Like I said, you also had a Republican yell you lie and Obama was still respectful. They have been trying to impeach this man ever since he got in office. I'm not even going to go there. But here's the thing that I want to talk about.

The point that you made about the food stamps and you talk about them kicking people out of food stamps. Let's be clear because AOC and a lot of Democrats have lied about this. These are able body people. Those food stamps were not taken from anybody that had children. These are people that are able to work. Now, if you work

part time, you can still get the governments. Now, me, I'm a mama. I got three sons. They grown. I'm not taking care of no lazy person that does not want to work. There is nothing wrong with forcing people who are able to work to provide for themselves. Now, with the little girl that was given a scholarship, what I don't like about my people is that we have more hate for the president that will keep us hating him instead of celebrating them.

Just like with Alex Johnson. Celebrating who? Hold on. Just like with Alex Johnson. We're more mad at the fact that President Trump freed her than we are happy that she's free. I'm not mad. Just like with the little girl, Denia Davis, last night.

I'm glad she was free. We're more upset that it was a black girl on the stage than the fact that what she actually received. Let's appreciate what's happening for black people. You got a pretty low bar for Trump. Regardless of whatever. That's a low bar. I love the president. You may.

A lot of you people, but see, a lot of y'all just have biases. I don't have a bias towards him. I'm talking about the people that hate the president. So nothing is going to be fair. Anything that he does for people, for us, for those of us that have a voice to say, hey, I think that this president deserves more credit than he gets, we're not going to never get past the hate. But here's the difference, though.

What has he done to make y'all hate him? Y'all, you keep talking about me hating the president. I mean, but what's your disdain for? I want the president, because he drives a negative narrative. First of all, you keep telling me, well, I'm a Democrat. You keep telling me that we're mad about the little girl. Hold up. You're going to ask Scott a question.

Let him answer it. Scott, go ahead. I didn't ask him. No, actually, you did ask him a question. The little girl. Why do you hate him? He said, why do you hate him? Whatever he does that's constructive for people

of color or black people, I'm all with it. You don't hear me criticize the president. But he's got a body of work and a negative, racist, misogynistic background and narrative what's the new drive He drives for the last three years. What's the reason before that take too long for the show? But let me just say this okay. Well he equivocates people the Nazis with people with good people on both sides That's wrong with that. That's exactly what he said. I would know if people are out there No, no, no, no, no people on both sides. That's wrong. That's wrong. That's exactly what he said. Now, when those people were out there protesting,

no, no, no, no, no. The president had... Oh, no, no. They were sued back then because of Section 8. They did not want to accept Section 8. I got people on my family... We can pull the facts. Yes, it is. Listen. Nobody... Was he racist when he gave Jennifer Hudson a place to stay when her family was murdered?

Let me tell you something. Was he racist then? So, if I'm a white racist and I give you a place to stay, her family was murdered? Let me tell you something. If I'm a white racist and I give you a place to stay, that removes all sense of racism. If I do anything for black people, if I get beat in the back, that's racism.

You need to look at the definition of racism. You cannot start the Rainbow Push Coalition. Robert Hughes was it. Robert Hughes Jackson? Robert, his was interesting. Was he racist when he was running with Mike Tyson? Robert, his was interesting. Was he racist when he was running with Uncle Russ Simmons? Just because he ran with Mike Tyson, he's not a racist. Robert, his was quite interesting.

Excuse me. I'm talking right here. Robert, his was interesting. He's been racist. Well, thank God he got acquitted today. So Angela wants us to celebrate one person. No. But ignore the hundreds of thousands of millions.

No, I want y'all to... I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. First of all, I'm not pushing a racist narrative. What I am laying out are identifiable facts that anybody can go check. And so here's my point. My point is this here.

I can say, thank goodness he used the power of clemency to free Alice. What I can also say is, thank goodness Obama used the power of clemency to free more than 2,000. I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. I'm not done. What I'm also and what I'm also what I'm also can look at is that President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder put in place practices and procedures in the Department of Justice who wants to get rid of consent decrees, who has said clear that we don't want to hurt the feelings of officers because, you know, your morale is low.

Officers say lies every day, y'all. So the reality is this here. The reality is this here. I can look at two things and say, yes, thank goodness he used the power to free Alice. Exactly. But if you over here are trying to lock up a thousand more Alice's, guess what? That's not true. Robert, is it a fact?

That's not true. Okay, hold on. Angela, are you an attorney? That's not true. Are you an attorney? No. Robert, are you an attorney? Robert, is it a fact that when Jeff Sessions became Attorney General, he rescinded the procedures of Eric Holder and said to U.S. attorneys,

I want you to pursue the highest number of years to convict anyone going through the federal prison system. Sound like Joe Biden. I'm not done. I'm not set. Go ahead. That is accurate. And then William Barr also continued that. Continue that. Go ahead. And more importantly on the Jeff Sessions front, because I think the stain of Jeff Sessions

on this administration, on this nation will take decades to unwind. And who hired Jeff Sessions? President Trump hired Jeff Sessions. And who is continuing Jeff Sessions' policies? Attorney General Barr. Go right ahead. But let's understand that Jeff Sessions also diverted Justice Department resources from combating violations of affirmative action,

from violating hate crimes in order to investigate anti-white discrimination in colleges. That's something that flew under the radar that Jeff Sessions did about two years ago, but that policy hasn't been rescinded. Didn't also under Jeff Sessions and under William Barr, how they were targeting black identity extremists, but then was stripping money to investigate white domestic terrorists? Exactly. So I think we have to put ourselves in a position of doing it.

Understand that as African Americans in this country, the title of the presidency is just that, a title. It does not belong to any one individual. It's not a title of nobility. You have it while you're there. It stays there when you leave. We have not a title of nobility. You have it while you're there. It stays

there when you leave. We have no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, just permanent interests. So when the president does the first step back, when he does the second step back, which is uncurrently trickling, when he works towards these initiatives, let's support him and big him up on that. But at the same time, be critical of

these other things that he does and work on legislative means by which to ameliorate those. So with that said, Angela, are you critical of when Jeff Sessions and now William Barr says we're going to pull back from consent decrees? Do you agree or disagree with that? I disagree. I'm going to disagree with anything that harms black people. Do you also hold them accountable and say pursuing as many years as possible for federal crimes is also wrong?

That you should stick with the Aaron Holder rules? We know that that's wrong because that's exactly what Joe Biden did. I don't know you asking me a question. I answered. I answered. You like to talk over me when you don't want me to get the facts out. Angela, I'm going to let you say that. I asked you, have you articulated

that to Trump? No. No. You just bringing this to my attention. No. You didn't know this? No. I did not. This is a public matter. I did not. But now that you, excuse me, but now that you're saying that, that's the same thing that Joe Biden did and Bill Clinton pushed through and Bernie Sanders, and that

is the reason for mass incarceration. What we're dealing with right now and what we are fighting. Actually what we are fighting. I think, no, that's true. That 94 crime bill three strikes you out was written by Biden signed by. Allow me. No, no, no. I got Joe Biden on tape. They got life. They got life. What do you mean? Excuse me. But they got life for nonviolent crime. Excuse me. If we want to deal with the facts of mass incarceration, what we're dealing with is a series of procedures

that went from 1970 all the way through the early 2000s. Three strikes wiped us out. No, let me go through that. And so what you had is those who have studied mass incarceration the early 2000s. Three strikes wiped us out. No, let me go through that. And so what you had is those who have studied mass incarceration say you saw mass incarceration explode through a series

of policies that were enacted from 1970 through the 2000s. So that means you saw it explode with the initial war on drugs. They think about Richard Nixon. We have the notes from H.R. Haldeman, who specifically said the war on drugs was there to target black people. Keep going. Okay.

That's where it started. Then what you then had is you had this whole continuum of this. Let's just lock them up. Throw away the key. Now you get into the 1980s, and now you have a crack epidemic. And then all of a sudden people are saying, hey, we can do something about that. We also saw when Len Bias committed

when he died of an overdose and Congress rushed to pass new drug laws and did not even think about the repercussions of those drug laws. But the trickle down effect of that is... Hold up. That's a part of it. What I'm trying to explain to you is you want to make it sound like that's the only thing.

What I'm saying is it was a series of policy initiatives that took place over a 30-year period that led to more than 2 million people reincarcerated. And Joe Biden was up under Obama for eight years and did nothing. And now you guys want to advocate and push him to be the president? Now, first of all, we also know for a fact that one of the things that was the outgrowth of the 1994 crime bill was when, you said, did nothing.

One of the first bills that President Obama signed, Vice President Joe Biden, was actually decreasing the crack-to-powder-cocaine ratio from 100 to 18. Go ahead. One thing we have to remember this entire conversation on criminal justice reform and its genesis, from 1968 to 1992, Republicans were president every single year except for the Carter administration. Four years from 1976 to 1980. Other than that, from 1968 to 1972,

Republicans completely ran the United States government. As an outcrop of that, and because President Clinton was elected by such a slim margin, that is what pushed over that 1993 Biden crime bill to the 1994 crime bill. What we can't do, now that we have 30 years of understanding how disastrous that was, is not allow those things to return.

Right now, the Georgia governor is pushing a gang bill, as he calls it, which is actually a mass incarceration bill, which will increase the sentences for people who are convicted. The Republican governor in Georgia. The Republican governor can't be doing that right now. And do you have Republicans who all of a sudden now want to tout the First Step Act? Are they saying to the governor, Governor, this is wrong? So that's my point.

I live in Georgia. There's a lot of gangs down there. But the point is, we know that the Clinton-Biden crime bill in 93 did not work, so we do not need to return to those things now. So instead of relitigating the past, let's learn from the past and ensure that we don't return to that now.

So when it starts happening in Georgia, what we usually see is it spreads around the country. We saw that with stand-your-ground laws in Florida and Georgia was expanded nationally. So when you see this reduction of rights, this reduction of reforms that are wrapped into this tough-on-crime, we're going to fight gangs, we're going to fight human trafficking, we have to ensure that we are not returning to those failed policies and working one forward. Why would you not want them to fight gangs and human trafficking? Listen to what I'm saying. It didn't work. We did it for 30 years. It did not work. At one point in time, Georgia had

the largest prison population in the Western Hemisphere at one point in time. What I suggest are the same things that will cause people to not be in gangs in Sandy Springs and in Johns Creek. They're the same things that will cause people not to be in gangs on the Bluff or in English Avenue or in Bankhead. You need economic development,

you need mentorship, you need infrastructure. You fit the conditions at home so that people do not have to enter the alternative economy, as Angela Davis called it. Then you reduce gangs. Nobody who joins a gang says, oh man, if I joined a gang, that could be after 15 years in prison.

A 13-year-old isn't thinking about that. What you do fits fix the conditions, and that's why we can't return to mass incarceration. So instead of fighting over what happened in 1993, let's fight about not having it happen in 2020. But you would agree that the bill that you're talking about in Georgia is inconsistent with the laws, the federal laws, that

are trending now. That are talking about less incarceration, more rehabilitation, and before you get to prison. So the question is, is the Republican infrastructure, Angela, you're Republican.

Angela, I'm going to finish the question. Is the Republican infrastructure saying to Republican Governor Brian Kemp, this is not the way to go. And if they aren't, why aren't they saying it? So this is what I actually believe. Georgia is horrendous. What are you telling the GOP, though? That's his question. Go ahead. I'm going to let you ask for me. No, no, I'm not. Because he was talking to me. I was clarifying. This is how I feel about the situation. Georgia is horrendous for gangs, OK? I agree with what you said. We need to put

in some type of infrastructure other than just putting people in prison for life. But something has to be done. Would you agree? Georgia is dangerous. I've represented enough people in gang cases right there in Fulton County Courthouse to let you know that locking them up

for an extra 10 years will not change not one thing. The only thing that will happen is you lock an 18-year-old up for 15 years, you're going to have a 35-year-old with a Ph.D. in gangs who's going to be getting out of jail. And that's usually in your state prisons because there's no rehabilitation in a state prison.

That's what I was saying. But there is rehabilitation in private prisons. If we can interdict and we can put programs in in the beginning to instead of simply say we're going to lock you up for a lot longer, that what we need is rehabilitation. In Mississippi State Prison,

they're being murdered in Smith State State Prison, they're being killed. Those are state prisons. Listen, when you talk about a private prison, all private prisons are regulated by the state that they're operated in. They don't get the tools. Robert, go ahead. The roll board sends those people to jail. Robert is making his point.

Go. Roll with me on this. Let's understand that if we understand that these policies are the wrong policies and we support President Trump on the First Step Act in efforts to reduce prison populations on the federal level, then why can't Republicans and Democrats both come together and say to our legislators now,

not just in Georgia, but nationwide, we are not returning to mass incarceration policies. We need to be focusing on interdicting in the beginning and rehabilitating on the back end. I think that is the point that I'm trying to make about reconciliation, that instead of us yelling at each other, if we all agree on something, let's just do that and not allow the fringes to control our political system.

I think that's the way forward. Okay. Can I ask you all a question? None of we got past that. How do y'all feel about the president's stance on life? I agree. I'm pro-life, so I'm with the president on life. Define life. Hold up. Define life. Def's stance on life? I agree. I'm pro-life, so I'm with the president on life. Define life. Hold up. Define life. Define stance on life. His pro-life stance.

Does that also include... Protecting the unborn. Does it also include... No, we're talking about protecting the unborn. No, no, no, no, no, no. See? That's what pro-life is. Hold up, hold up. Actually, that's not what pro-life is. I'm a pro... I've been a pro-life activist. No, no, no. Pro-life is about saving unborn babies. No, no, see, right there. You're trying to take it somewhere else. No, no, no, I'm not. Yes, you are.

No, what I'm doing is, what I'm doing is. You can't answer the question. No, I can answer the question. How did he feel about his stance on protecting unborn babies? Let me also be real clear. Let me also be real clear as a Christian author, as the husband of an ordained minister, and also when you say life, y'all want to limit to abortion.

What I'm saying is when you want to say. We want to limit abortion. No, no, no. You want to limit the conversation to abortion. What I'm saying is, when you want to say... We want to limit abortion. No, no, no. You want to limit the conversation to abortion. We haven't talked about it. No, no, no. I'm asking you, how do you feel about depression? I'm going to expand a definition of life.

But that's not what this is about. No, no, no. Yes, it is. No, it's not. Because you don't want to be about that. You're trying to go somewhere else. No, I'm not. The president claimed today, said late-term abortion.

If you're going to ask me a question... Let's talk about late-term abortion. If you're going to ask me a question, how do you feel about late-term abortions? First of all, 1.3 percent. First of all, let's define late-term abortions. Late-term abortions represents abortions after 21 weeks. Only 1.3 percent of all late-term abortions after 21 weeks. And the facts also show that most of those are to save the life of the mother. Now... Not with these new laws that were just passed. How do you feel about the fact that more black babies are being aborted than born?

You asked me a question. I'm going to answer the question. This is the issue right here. You're not being factual, though. This is the issue when folks talk about life. You're not being factual. You want to talk about the unborn. But I'm not done. That's what pro-life is about.

What you don't want to deal with are the kids who died in cages. Oh, we can deal with that. No, no, no, no. What you don't want to deal with are the sexual assaults of those kids by the folks who would border patrol. No, no, no.

That wasn't my border patrol. That's by their peers. You got kids being molested in juvenile detention. Y'all don't care about our kids. You can't care about the kids at the border and not care about our kids. But you can't care about the kids at the border and not care about our kids

in juvenile detention, because there's no difference. See, you don't want to answer the question. You don't want to talk about killing unborn babies. You want to talk about babies at the border. But that's where y'all wrong at. Because our children have been in cages forever. The issue I have is this here. When people, when I hear Republicans, these white conservative evangelicals talk about life.

Because it's okay to kill a baby in a wall. I'm going to use a story that took place. A pastor in Omaha, Nebraska. He don't want to answer the question. No, now, Angela, I'm asking you a question. No, you're not. But see, you can't listen. You want to go question. No, Angela, I'm asking you a question. But see, you can't listen.

You want to go around. No, Angela, no. I'm going to tell you what somebody said. A white pastor, white pastors came to a black pastor in Omaha, Nebraska, and they said, Pastor, we want you to participate with us in this pro-life march. And he said, oh, not a problem. He said, but also I need something from y'all.

He said, I need your assistance to deal with the crack houses that are happening because that's also lives in there. White, conservative, evangelical, pro-life pastors. What that got to do with what me and you talking about right now. Excuse me, I'm talking. But me and you having a conversation. Listen, this is what they said. They said, oh, pastor, that's your problem. So what they were saying is on the issue of pro-life dealing with the unborn, they were saying that's our problem.

This black pastor, Robert, who said, who said, I'm pro-life. He said, not just when it comes to the unborn, but those who are born, these white evangelicals said, no, no, no, that's your problem. And so that's part of the issue. When I look at the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church is pro-life, but also anti-death penalty. But you've got these white conservative evangelicals, and I'm not done, I'm not done, and some, and some,

and some black conservative evangelicals who are ardent supporters of the death penalty, but then they say I'm pro-life. I'm one of them. I'm one of them. I'm going to give you a second, Robert. I think that's exactly what my point is, that life cannot end at birth.

That's what we have to understand. So when I say I'm pro-life, that means I'm pro-life. I'm anti-death penalty. I'm anti-violations of the Eighth Amendment. I'm anti-cruel and unusual punishment, long sentences. I'm anti-a lack of health care. I'm anti-a lack of housing. I'm anti-cruel and unusual punishment, long sentences. I'm anti-lack of health care. I'm anti-lack of housing. I'm anti-lack of education.

Anti-not having a clean environment. Because if we're saying we are pro-life, that means we have to support the lives of every human being. If we say that every single life is sacred, I believe every single life is sacred. And it's also when you say you're pro-life and you care about the unborn, but then you provide no neonatal care

for those black women. That you don't give them infant mortality rates. That you don't deal with those black women who are actually dying in childbirth. That's the thing. Y'all love to say that. Black women been giving birth forever. So stop using that as an excuse for us to murder our children.

It ain't nothing in my skin that's going to make me die from childbirth. There's nothing in my skin that's going to make me die from childbirth. There's nothing in my skin that is going to make me die from childbirth. Black women, every black person in this world has got here. No, no, no. You are wrong. Angela, you're loud and wrong. No, you're wrong. You won't let me talk. You won't let me talk.

You won't let me talk. Excuse me. Who the heck? Listen, Serena Williams ain't got no factual... A rich black woman. That's one person. Excuse me. You cannot sit up Serena Williams. Serena Williams ain't got no factual. A rich black woman. That's one person. Excuse me. You cannot sit up here and make it seem like black women are dying from giving birth when

we have been giving birth forever. That is a lie from hell to get us to continue aborting our children. As a black man, for one, you wrong for even going on that lie because black people are here because black women gave birth. Now, here's my, because abortion has wiped out 46% of our population. Now that's just facts. It's 32 million black people in America,

20 million have been aborted. More black babies are being aborted than they are being born. You cannot be pro-black and pro-abortion. That just does not work. Hold on, let me finish. You won't let me finish? You won't let me finish? You won't let me finish. You won't let me finish.

For all the people at home, no, no, no. You said you was going to let me finish. If you're going to be loud and wrong, you're going to be factual. You said you was going to let me finish. Go to my iPad. No, where you reading from?

The headline says, white or black women. Where is that? Excuse me? Where is that? Angela, Angela. How is that factual? Angela, I am talking.

That's from the American Party. Angela, I am talking. Planned Parenthood say the same thing. Angela, I am talking. That's for the American Party. Angela, I am talking. Planned Parenthood say the same thing. Angela, I am talking. They also say poor women of color will die without access to abortion. Here's what it says. Why are black women at such high risk of dying from pregnancy complications? So, my skin.

Excuse me. This is a story published. Propaganda. Because they don't want black babies in America. Here's what I quote. Black women are three to four times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes than white women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

It's partly why the overall rate of pregnancy-related deaths has climbed over the past two decades, making the maternity mortality rate in the United States the worst. Why? In any industrialized country. Why are black women dying? I'm not done talking.

According to a 2016 analysis published in the Journal of the Lancet, quote, it's basically a public health and human rights emergency because it's been estimated that a significant portion of these deaths could be prevented, said Dr. Anna Langer, director of the Women in Health Initiative at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston. So we're not dying. This is what I'm asking you. And this is the issue. When I listen to people talk about pro-life and they talk about the unborn, what I also ask is, for instance, when Louisiana passed their law, I had the black legislator on here. What she said is they passed their law dealing with unborn, but they also said they also passed dealing with this whole issue of infant mortality.

The issue that I have is when people are loud or saying they prolife, and they only want to limit it to the unborn. They don't want to deal with these issues. So if you life, you should be dealing with this issue as well. So let me finish. Robert, then Angela. We have to deal with the fundamental concepts of what we are as a nation, that what are our actual values,

what do we actually believe in, that we have to understand your social economic level, the amount of money you have should not determine whether or not you get to live through childbirth. That the low gear zip code should not determine the type of hospital you can go to, the type of postnatal care your children can have, the type of education and lifestyle and future

they can have. So I think that while we are setting any political agenda, it doesn't have to be a Republican or Democratic agenda. The agenda should be, do we want our children to grow up and be healthy? Because these are the folks who have to carry us on for the next generation. And regardless of how we get to that fundamental goal,

let's get to that goal. I think that's the issue that gets lost in some of the broader conversations, that we can't simply make it a one-trick pony issue. It is a comprehensive birth-till-adulthood conversation that we need to be having. And where we invest our money at in our society is where our values are. So we should move there, and I think we'll bring more people along with us. Angela? So what I want to say is, in regards to what you were saying about the position on pro-life, to me, honestly, if there's a crazy man out there that kidnaps my daughter and cuts

my daughter up in a thousand pieces, do I believe that person deserves death? Absolutely. I'll probably kill him myself. I cannot compare someone that's sitting on death penalty, someone that's had been given the right to life and had a chance to live to that of an unborn child who has

not been given the right to life. I'm sorry. Who's your uncle? Everyone. Let me finish. Everyone given the right to life. Excuse me, everyone, everyone, let me finish. Everyone, excuse me, everyone that advocates for abortion has already has been born. Nobody advocating for abortion has been aborted. Who's your uncle? So it is unfair, my god uncle, Martin Luther King Jr. And he did not stand for abortion.

Who's your god mother? Alveda King. Okay, let me also ask you this question. Yeah, because you won't never let me finish. You always cut me off. Are you a Christian? I believe in God. Are you a Christian? I believe in God. I'm not going to call myself a Christian. Do you believe that a person has the

ability to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? Yeah. So if you put somebody to death, and that means that you don't have the opportunity If somebody kills my daughter, I'm going to kill them. I'm asking the question. I want everybody to know that. I'm asking the question.

If somebody harms one of my children, right, or takes something from me and they're innocent, they deserve death. So what you're saying is you're not really a child of God. In the Bible it says, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. What do you mean? But you're not really a child of God because what you're not doing is you are not extending. So what you're saying is that somebody, if you put somebody to death and you never give them an opportunity to accept Jesus Christ, excuse me, excuse me,

finish my question. If you say that you're all about life and Robert explained it, see, that's pro-life. No, you trying to make me Jesus. You what you're doing. No, I'm not. You trying to make me Jesus. No, actually, no, I'm not.

No, no, no. Pro'm not. No, no, no. Pro-life. Ain't nobody. According to the word of God. Nothing in the pro-life movement is fighting for anybody on death penalty. The whole pro-life movement is about unborn children. And right there. But let's talk about facts.

No, no. And so what you've done, Angela. You trying to add something else into the pro-life movement that's not there. What you have now done. What you have now done is exactly the fundamental problem. So if you feel like all life counts, why are you standing with a partner that advocates for us to kill our children? Angela, I'm not done.

What you are doing is you want to simply place life in this extremely small box. You got to be born. Jesus was born. Jesus wasn't born. Jesus was born. Angela, I'm talking here. You got to be born.

I'm talking here. What you also don't want to deal with, and the people who are watching need to understand this as well. What you don't want to deal with, Angela, is that if you are truly, if you care about life, that means that you're not paying people not to grow food. If people truly care about life, then they will be saying,

we got to make sure that nobody in this country is going hungry. I'm not done. I was a single mother on welfare. I got all the benefits I needed to raise my children. Actually, if you want to get the most money, what you should do is be an Iowa farmer. Ain't no children out here starving in America now. That is a lie.

Where they at? Oh, my God. Where they at? Did you actually just say there are no children starving in America? Where they at? We have food stamps. Are you? We have food stamps. People can get food stamps. America? Where they at? We have food stamps. Are you? We have food stamps.

People can get food stamps. Do you bother to read? We have, okay, so we got children starving in America. Why are we fighting to open our borders to illegal immigrants? Do you read? Why are we fighting to open the borders to illegal immigrants? If you can't take care of your own, why are you opening the borders for others? You actually just said there are not starving children in America?

Listen, we are not a third world country. I want to be clear. Did you just say that? I haven't seen any. My whole life, I've never seen not starving children in America. Listen, we are not a third world country. I want to be clear. Did you just say that? I haven't seen any. My whole life, I've never seen a starving child in America. Where do you live? I'm in Atlanta. Where are the starving children at?

Angela, Angela, Angela. Because I've never seen them in my life. Let me hear. You know what? Where they at? You obviously. I'm from the hood. Well, you from the hood.

Where they at? You obviously are blind. And everybody get food stamps in the hood. They sell them too. Ain't nobody starving in the hood now. Ain't nobody in the hood starving unless it's the homeless people on the side of the street. Here's the deal. Let's be honest.

Let's be real. I know a lot of conservatives. Where the starbucks children at? I know a lot of black conservatives. So I can go feed them. But I have never in my life, in my year since 1991 as a professional journalist, I have

never heard a Republican or conservative say there are no starving children or people in America. Where they at? Robert, go ahead. I know you gotta go, but Robert, go ahead. Do you know where some at? Because I want to go feed them. Where they at? English Avenue.

English Avenue, right down the street from the new stadium. You can go to Hollywood Road. There's one of my friends. There's starving children out there. One of my friends, Russell, has an organization called Occupy the Hood. What we do is weekend feedings for people. So they're not starving. Y'all feeding them.

The reason we're feeding them is because they don't have their own resources to be able to eat. They're feeding them because they're starving. There are organizations all over America that feed people that don't have food. So let's stop acting like people out here are just starving. Because people in Atlanta go down to the corners and feed those people all the time. But the point is we shouldn't be in a situation where people have to depend on the charity of strangers. We should live in a social system where people aren't living under bridges, where they're not sleeping in tents downtown,

where they have the ability to instead of drug addiction being treated as a criminal enterprise, it's being treated as a medical thing. So let's talk about building. You know the beautiful society that we talk about? That's why we're opening our borders to millions of illegal immigrants to come in and we can't take care

of our own. That's not the point. No, that is the point. We're talking about Atlanta right now. No, no, no. I've been doing been doing nonprofit work in Atlanta for 15 years. I don't know what part of Atlanta you're obviously doing work in, but you clearly are missing the serious part. Hold up. Hold up. For somebody who's even related, do you even know who Hosea Williams is?

Of course I am. Feed the homeless. And what do they do? Feed people so they don't starve. And they're starving when they feed them. No, no. Oh, my God. So why they feed them? How they starving? Feed people so they don't starve. And they're starving when they feed them. No, no. Oh, my God. So why they feed them?

How they starving? Are you serious? Angela, do you know how many children go to Atlanta public schools hungry? And do they get fed at school? Do you know? Do they get fed at school? Do you know the cuts? Don't we got all types of food boxes and food pantries all over Atlanta where they can go and get food?

Actually, Angela, you have people who were trying to do the cuts in those programs. I sat right here. The SNAP program. The people you support, Donald Trump, they tried to make significant cuts to the SNAP program because they said... No, no, no. See, this is where

if you stop talking... But you talk about what they wanted to do. Let's talk about what was done. Angela, they got stopped because it was sane Democrats and sane Republicans who said, I'm not done, who said to Governor Perdue, who now is over at the Department of Agriculture, who said, we are not going to shrink the amount of food and just put them in blue boxes on the table to people. We are not going to do that. We have a much better country than that.

But the reality is the same people, Robert, who are sitting here talking about, oh, yeah, we can reduce the food, giving $30 billion in subsidies, $30 billion to farmers because of Trump's tariffs. More money than the bailout cost. Let's understand it's not just the farmers. We've had, I think, two of the nation's biggest dairy farms

file for bankruptcy in the last month. 10% of Wisconsin dairy farmers are actually out of business. Yeah, not to mention... We got you. Thanks a lot. Thanks for being here. Robert, go ahead and make your point. percent of Wisconsin dairy farmers actually out of business. Not to mention... Thanks a lot. Thanks for being here. Robert, go ahead and make a point. I think the final point that just has to get made is understanding that when we're talking about government,

we're talking about the allocation of resources. And if we're going to be devoting that much money to get people to not produce milk, to not produce products, we need to have that same amount of compassion and infrastructure to ensure that children and people who are below the poverty line have access to the foods and goods that they need.

This is the fundamental issue. And folks, just so y'all know, Ben Watson is doing a documentary on the issue of abortion. And he sat on my set and he interviewed me for it. And I said to him then that the people who call themselves pro-life, they purposely want to limit the conversation to this very narrow box.

The point I'm making is this here. If you say you're pro-life, be pro-life, not just the issue of those who are unborn. And that's, if y'all want to call them out, that's how you challenge them. Ask them, do they care about the people who are on opioids? Ask them, do I care about those who are strung out on drugs? Ask them, do they care about the lives of people who are alcoholics?

Ask them, do they care about the women who can't get neonatal care and are issue with those pregnancies? Ask them those questions. See, what they want to say is all black people are killing babies, but they ain't talking about the fact that white folks are actually having fewer babies than anybody else. They don't want to talk about the white abortions taking place at private health care centers and not at Planned Parenthood and public

centers. See, the people who are so-called pro-life don't really want to have these life conversations because, see, as you heard Angela, they want to narrow the discussion on life. And she said, no, you can't expand it because she's admitted it. The pro-life, she said it, y'all, right here. The pro-life movement is only about the unborn. And that's why in their public policy, they will allow what's

happening to those children in the cages on the border. That's why they say nothing when black men are being shot and killed by cops. That's why the pro-lifers say nothing when African-Americans and Latinos are being beaten by cops with police brutality. That's why they say nothing when it comes to kids who are starving going to school, and they're talking about how do we cut the food programs, the breakfast and the lunch programs. That's why they say nothing when it comes to all of those issues.

If you are truly a person who is pro-life, it's gonna be reflected in all of the policies you support, not just the issue of abortion. Gotta go to a break. When we come back, we'll talk about, of course, impeachment. The Senate has voted to quit Donald Trump. That's next. Roland Martin Unfiltered, youtube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. There's only one daily digital show out here

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of Donald Trump, the trial is over. The Senate today voted 53 to 47 not to convict Donald Trump. One Republican stood with the Democrats, and that is Utah Senator Mitt Romney. Here's what Senator Kamala Harris had to say on the Senate floor. When the framers wrote the Constitution, they didn't think someone like me would serve as the United States senator. But they did envision someone like Donald would serve as the United States Senator. But they did envision someone like Donald Trump being President of the United States, someone who thinks he is above the law

and that rules don't apply to him. So they made sure our democracy had the tool of impeachment to stop that kind of abuse of power. The House managers have clearly laid out a compelling case and evidence of Donald Trump's misconduct. They have shown that the President of the United States of America withheld military aid and a coveted White House meeting for his political gain. He wanted a foreign country to announce, not actually conduct, announce an investigation

into his political rivals. And then he refused to comply with congressional investigations into his misconduct. And unfortunately, a majority of United States senators, even those who concede that what Donald Trump did was wrong, are nonetheless going to refuse to hold him accountable. The Senate trial of Donald Trump has been a miscarriage of justice. Donald Trump is going to get away with abusing his position of power for personal gain, abusing his position of power to stop Congress from looking into his misconduct and falsely claiming he's been exonerated.

He's going to escape accountability because a majority of senators have decided to let him. Ooh, Lord, y'all, but the Republicans are mad as hell at Senator Mitt Romney. You hear Donald Trump Jr. tweeting, expel him from the Republican Party. Here's some of what Mitt Romney had to say today. The Constitution is at the foundation of our republic's success, and we each strive not to lose sight of our promise to defend it. The Constitution established the vehicle of impeachment that has occupied both houses of our Congress these many days. We have labored to faithfully execute our responsibilities to it. We have arrived at different judgments, but I hope we respect each other's good faith.

The allegations made in the articles of impeachment are very serious. As a senator juror, I swore an oath before God to exercise impartial justice. I am profoundly religious. My faith is at the heart of who I am. I take an oath before God as enormously consequential. I knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president, the leader of my own party, would be the most difficult decision I have ever faced. I was not wrong. The House managers presented evidence supporting their case, and the White House counsel disputed that case.

In addition, the president's team presented three defenses. First, that there could be no impeachment without a statutory crime. Second, that the Biden's conduct justified the president's actions. And third, that the judgment of the president's actions should be left to the voters. Let me first address those three defenses. The historic meaning of the words, high crimes and misdemeanors, the writings of the founders, and my own reasoned judgment convinced me that a president can indeed commit acts against the public trust that are so egregious that while they are not statutory crimes, they

would demand removal from office. To maintain that the lack of a codified and comprehensive list of all the outrageous acts that a president might conceivably commit renders Congress powerless to remove such a president defies reason. The President's Council also notes that Vice President Biden appeared to have a conflict of interest when he undertook an effort to remove the Ukrainian prosecutor general. If he knew of the exorbitant compensation his son was receiving from a company actually under investigation, the vice president should have accused himself. While ignoring a conflict of interest is not a crime, it is surely very wrong.

With regards to Hunter Biden, taking excessive advantage of his father's name is unsavory, but also not a crime. Given that in neither the case of the father nor the son was any evidence presented by the president's counsel that a crime had been committed, the president's insistence that they be investigated by the Ukrainians is hard to explain other than as a political pursuit. There's no question in my mind that were their names not Biden,

the president would never have done what he did. The defense argues that the senate should leave the impeachment. About an eight-minute speech that Mitt Romney actually gave there. Robert, here's the-minute speech that Mitt Romney actually gave there.

Robert, here's the deal. You saw Mitt Romney there. Look, and I've criticized Mitt Romney on other issues, but you saw him choke up because he knew what he was doing. He knew that he is about to be ostracized. He knows that he is going to be attacked. He did a series of interviews with Fox News and other conservative media before the vote because he knew what was coming down. But this is what the framers actually expected.

That if you were in the most deliberative body, they called it, the United States Senate, that you were going to put, put country over party. Because first of all, when they created the Constitution, there were no parties. That's what they expected. What they did not expect was blind allegiance. Well, you know, if you want to dive into that, one of the things that Washington included in his farewell address was a prohibition against factionalism. That he felt that even in his cabinet at the time, that you would have people who would become so factional

that he felt at one point in time it would destroy the nation. This is why if you look at Federalist No. 65, I think it's paragraph 3, Alexander Hamilton articulates the fact that the reason they placed the impeachment trial in the Senate is to be free from the passions of the House of Representatives at the time the Senate was appointed by the state legislature and not directly elected by the people and because and they thought that that would be the most deliberative body you don't want it to be in the Supreme Court in front of judges who might have an allegiance to the party

that are to the president that appointed them you don't want in the house to be compelled by the passions of the people you want in the Senate where it's deliberative I think beyond just Romney, the most damning portion of this entire trial was the testimony or the argument by Dershowitz and also the statements by the swing senators who still voted for acquittal. You had Ben Sasse, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Marco Rubio, Cory Gardner, Lamar Alexander, Mitt Romney. So you had nearly nearly 10 Republican senators who said, yes, the president is guilty of everything he has been accused of. Susan Collins expressly said, yes, the president is guilty, but I feel like Congress has failed us. Lamar Alexander said the reason I voted against having witnesses is the president is so

guilty. I don't need more witnesses to know that he's more guilty. The analogy he used was saying that if eight people say there was a car crash, why do I need a ninth person to say there was a car crash? So you have that many people in your own party saying that you are 100% guilty. And even your lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, who made two stunning arguments, one being that, yes, the president did everything he was accused of, but that's not impeachable. Secondarily, that the president can do whatever he wants as long as it's in favor of his own reelection. That also makes it not impeachable. Under his rubric, nothing Nixon did would be wrong. The break-in in the Watergate Hotel was simply to help him

get reelected, which is in the public interest, and therefore it should be constitutional. So the fact that the president and Republicans are taking a victory lap on this, I think is not borne out by the facts. The victory that they have is the fact that they had a majority in the United States Senate. It's not that he was acquitted, as they are saying, because you can't be acquitted without a trial, you can't have a trial without witnesses and evidence. What we are really seeing right now is that so many people put party above facts, above evidence, that you'll get a statement like you got from Murkowski saying that the president did everything he did,

or even the statement from Rubio, the president did everything that he was accused of doing. All of those things are impeachable constitutionally, and I'm still voting for acquittal. So it's a very dangerous place that we put ourselves at because without those checks and balances, what is there to stop the president from doing anything articulated in Article 1 and not simply governing by fiat? And then to say, well, you know, that's really not our job. No, actually it is. That's why it's in the Constitution for you to do that.

So it was just, to me, it was shameful. And now all of a sudden, you've had Congressman Collins, Doug Collins, Georgia, and Senator Collins of Maine both say, well, you know, we think the president has learned, and he's rebuked them. During the State of the Union, he has already rebuked them. He was like, oh, I ain't apologizing for nothing. Because we remember in 1999 at the State of the Union Address, Bill Clinton, while he was still on Senate trial, he apologized to the nation for the actions he had taken. And let's understand, if the president had done an Oval Office address where he said, I was given bad advice by Rudy Giuliani, by our national security apparatus, I'm not a professional politician, it was not my intention to break any federal law, we're making the proper changes needed to ensure that we're fighting corruption in Ukraine and defending the needs of the American people, done. Nothing else happened. So this dig your feet in, never admit defeat, never back down strategy is what brought us to this place right now. And I also think Democrats have a lot to learn from this, which is don't rush through the process. Don't skip steps. That if you want something to be taken seriously, then you fight it done before the caucuses start. The primary season starts. So the candidates don't have to deal with this sort of stuff

that they can run. But this is also a constitutional issue. Speaking of the caucuses, folks, we still don't know who the hell won the Iowa caucus. Here we go to my iPad. You see right here that Pete

Buttigieg has a slim lead, 26.7 percent over Bernie Sanders, 25.4 percent, even though Sanders actually has more votes than Bernie Sanders. And the other thing that we don't know is that Bernie Sanders is going to be the first to win

the Iowa caucus. And that's going to be the first to win the Iowa caucus. So, you know, I think that's going to be the first to win the Iowa caucus. And I think that's going to be the first to win the Iowa caucus. You see right here that Pete Buttigieg has a slim lead, 26.7% over Bernie Sanders, 25.4%, even though Sanders actually has more votes than Pete Buttigieg. The fact that today is Wednesday and this was Monday night, this shows you how absolutely idiotic the Iowa caucuses are. And then they released some results and then they sent a statement out saying hold up we got to correct that I mean but I thought you were

waiting all this time for quality control so so we're gonna be not know really who won until probably tomorrow maybe Friday yeah that's a debate Friday and New Hampshire votes next week to me I was early irrelevant now I was irrelevant beforehand and it's completely irrelevant now. It has no bearing on what will happen in this race, because let's understand, the winner in Iowa will probably have a grand total of 40,000 to 45,000 votes. That is less than you need to win a city council seat in most places. You can't become a state rep with that number of votes. So the idea that's a good thing because it's a good thing that

you're a state rep with that number of votes. So the idea that this gives any indication of what the preference of American voters are going forward as far as selecting a Democratic nominee is nonsensical.

What Iowa does is it shows who is willing to pay the most money to political activists in Iowa. Because remember, Buttigieg's lead isn't based off of being the first choice. Iowa goes through rounds. So after the first round of

caucusing, if you don't make the threshold, the 15% threshold, then your second choice, you get pulled over to them. So what Buttigieg really wrapped up on was being the second choice of Klobuchar voters, being the second choice of Yang voters, being the second choice of Biden voters. So we're not really getting real information out of this. The only thing that really says is who's willing to spend the most money to prop up Iowa's economy every couple years in order to make sure people get into a room. That's all that Iowa means. I'll tell you this, though. Joe Biden, granted, he's lucky. All the drama is over. Nancy Pelosi tearing up the speech and Trump not shaking her hand and all this drama. He finished fourth bad. They

fired his Iowa field director because apparently precinct captains, some didn't even show up. Others didn't know how to run a caucus. What the hell? Dude, you run for president two previous times. How in the hell you don't know how to run a presidential campaign? The thing that I think we're seeing out of this is the concern for the Biden campaign has been momentum the entire time because he hasn't been the most exciting candidate. He hasn't been the person, the candidate of big ideas. The people, there's no passion behind Biden. It is Leslie Jones on Saturday Night Live articulated the best when she said, oh, that's

Obama's granddaddy. That is what. But I think part of the issue is also that frankly they thought they would win the coast. I think the Biden people are operating like Hillary Clinton did in 2016 and 2008. I got this. It's like, no, what this is

showing is you have to run. And you have to run hard. And you're not going to be handed anything. And I think the bigger concern is going to be Bloomberg right now. Because right now Bloomberg is running third in Florida.

He's third nationally. Tom Steyer is in second place in South Carolina. And got the endorsement of the black women's legislative caucus. Here's the deal. First of all, here right now, Steyer performed horribly in Iowa. The bottom line is here. What's going to happen in New Hampshire? What's going to happen in Nevada? Let me say this right now.

If Joe Biden comes in third and fourth in New Hampshire and Nevada, I'm telling you right now, black people are going to abandon Joe Biden in South Carolina. If Joe Biden does not come, let me be real clear, if Joe Biden does not finish in first place in South Carolina, he's done. And that's why the Steyer point is so important, because what we've seen is when somebody campaigns hard for the black vote, it is possible to get it. And what Steyer has done is dump millions and millions into street money, into political activists on the ground, not to the DC lobbyists who come down to run the campaign, but to grassroots organizations who

are actually out there getting the vote. And what we're seeing with Bloomberg, Bloomberg has unlimited money to run. It's the first in American political history and in recent American political history where somebody can simply say, I don't need the first three or four primary races. I have enough money to run nationally.

Understand that if Donald Trump had ran his Super Bowl ad, without Bloomberg's money, there would have been no Democratic response because no other candidate has the economic resources in order to do so. And right now, Biden's money is drying up and he needs to be concerned about that. But the only thing Bloomberg also has to worry about,

you can spend all that money, but eventually you're going to have to talk to the people. That's your real question. Eventually you're going to have to talk to the people. And so the question is, will he do it? I got in a text. I don't know if this is a real text or not from somebody with the Bloomberg campaign. But I got a text about that. So we'll see. I'll respond to it. We'll see what they have to say. All right, y'all. Byron Rustin, a gay civil rights leader arrested for having sex

with men, has been granted a posthumous pardon by California Governor Gavin Newsom. 67 years later, he was jailed on a morals charge. He was eventually convicted of misdemeanor vagrancy and was sentenced to 60 days in jail. The offense landed him on the sex offender list, cost him jobs and was used to basically deny him his proper place in the civil rights movement. People like segregationist Senator Strom Thurmond, who read Rustin's arrest record on the Senate floor, trashed him. Now following the success of the Montgomery bus boycott in 1956, Rustin was the one who really introduced non-violence to Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

He also was one of the two organizers, along with A. Philip Randolph, of the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, and was the main person to push the movement and King towards, as I said, towards nonviolent ideas and tactics. And so certainly that is a good thing by the governor. Michigan State University has issued an apology after students found dolls of notable black Americans hanging from strings on trees in a gift shop. The display featured Barack and Michelle Obama, Prince Martin Luther King Jr. and Harriet Tubman. Michigan State officials took down the display after receiving complaints. University spokeswoman Emily Gerken-Garant issued a statement apologizing to students

and noting that employees and volunteers at the Wharton Center will undergo racial bias training. All right, folks, let's talk about what's happening in Houston, Texas Southern University, where the Board of Readers last night voted to fire President Dr. Austin Lane. Frankly, folks, they read this long statement, and the evidence is, frankly, very thin, what they read. And it came to some issue, some drama when it came to admission. So here's some of the board secretary, Mark Carter, reading what took place with President Lane. As personal chair, I move that the board chair be authorized to deliver to dr. Austin a lane the notice of termination for cause under his contract which says with such supplements as appropriate and such notice shall include an opportunity for a due process hearing and for dr. Lane to request a mediation is there Is there a second? Second. It has been moved and properly seconded. Any discussion?

All in favor? Yes. No. Discussion? We should. I think he has the right to speak. Go ahead. This time I'm going to read the notice of termination for cause. Dear Dr. Lane, the Board of Regents of Texas Southern University, the Board, via action taken at a posted board meeting on February 4th, 2020, has authorized the delivery of this notice of proposed termination for calls in accordance with Section 7B of the employment contract between yourself and Texas Southern University dated October 25, 2018 contract. All right folks that's about a 14 minute video. I want to thank the student at TSU for sending us the video. We're going to have that on our social media platform. So here's the deal.

They allege that he had some inconsistent statements when it came to an admissions issue in their law school. Now my understanding according to my sources of the universities, that was that when the dean of the law school found out that some improprieties that he recommended that this employee be fired, he told the president, the president agreed the employee was fired. So now the regions are trying to suggest that Lane didn't say the same thing in two different interviews that they gave. Now, Lane is going to tomorrow is going to hold a news conference where he is going to speak to this issue. They have been averting this for quite some time explaining this whole deal. It's so much drama there, Robert,

with the president extremely popular, has raised lots of money there. The actions of these regions has frankly been intolerable and shameful. And again, what they laid out is weak as hell. Well, I think it's important for us to get both sides of the story and get all the information out into the public eye because we have seen what happens when you have a president of HBCU who is not at the best interest of the students. We saw what happened. I was at Clark Atlanta when Morris Brown College closed down, for example, and the president took off and disappeared.

So let's ensure that we have a full public airing of these things. And this is one of the times where it's so important to have black media outlets with a voice such as yours to bring light to these issues and ensure that everything is above board and happening in the full light of the public. Well, these border regions have been trying to hide from the media. They didn't want to explain why they put them on administrative leave. They laid out all of this sort of stuff. Folks, if y'all roll the video and fast forward it, it was packed. It took place in their library. There were a lot of supporters of Austin Lane who were there, who were very angry with this Board of Regents, demanding more answers. And so we certainly hope to get those.

And we've been reaching out to the Board of Reg readers to come on this show. They've been quite unresponsive, which is no surprise. And I'll tell you right now, when somebody is unresponsive to explain what actions they're taking, that's a red flag for me. All right, folks, got to go to break. We come back. I already had to educate Wendy Williams one time. Now I got to take Wendy Williams to school a second time for her comments about Jay-Z, Beyonce, Blue Ivy, and the National Anthem. That's next on Roland Martin Unfiltered. You want to support Roland Martin Unfiltered? Be sure to join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar that you give to us supports our daily digital show. There's only one daily digital show out here that keeps it black and keep it real.

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All right, y'all Last week not last week. Hell Sunday the Super Bowl TMZ captured a picture of Jay-Z and Beyoncé seated during the national anthem. Some people took offense to that and were upset. Well, during Wendy Williams' Hot Topics discussion on her show, Wendy decided to call them out. Beyoncé and Jay-Z were getting slammed on social media for not standing up. They were

with their girl, their daughter, Ivy. And thank you, TMZ Sports, for showing us the picture. Everyone was standing like this is only a picture. Of Khaled's in it why wouldn't he be but but when they were performing if you all saw the actual perform ends people were standing up as the bombs burst in air you know you put a hand over your heart I don't know about you and our country might be in a bad way but there's no place I'd rather live than America. Some of the first songs I learned in my life even as a little girl, America the Beautiful, Oh Say Can You See, and all that other stuff. Like my mom and dad, like trips would be to come to see the Statue of Liberty

and the Empire State Building and in Philadelphia that Liberty Bell and, you know know going to Washington and passing the White House and stuff like that like you know what Jay-Z and Beyonce and and Jay you might be an NFL owner and I get that respect but you don't own all the NFL you own this much. And Beyonce, I love my Ivy Park dress. But Jay-Z and Beyonce, you understand all eyes are on you and you should have stood up. If you don't like our country, then... Then... Rock Nation! Rock Nation! Rock Nation! Jay-Z responded

saying that they were sitting because they were really focused on the performance of Demi Lovato, of course, his Rock Nation, there over the, uh, the, all of the, uh, music performances at the Super Bowl. He also said they were there discussing her performance. He also said he would not make his daughter part of any protest

Here's what I find to be very interesting about Wendy Williams comments regarding the national anthem Wendy where was your commentary about this? Now according to the U.S. flag code that we are supposed to stand and face the flag if there is one, civilians should stand to attention with their right hand over their heart, and military personnel in uniform and veterans should salute throughout. That was Donald Trump, the president, sitting here directing, waving to people, all fidgety. Hand over heart? No. Melania, yeah, but not Trump. But here's the other deal, Wendy.

Did you watch the Super Bowl? And when Demi was singing, were you standing up at home? Or were you like 99% of the people who watch the Super Bowl sitting on your ass? See, here's what I find to be offensive, Wendy. You would intimate and essentially say that Jay-Z and Beyonce can leave if they don't like it. I recall reading Jackie Robinson's book, I Never Had It Made. And he titled the book, I Never Had It Made, because he said, as long as there's one African-American who is not fully free, I never had it made. And Jackie Robinson explained in the book why he doesn't salute the flag and why he doesn't sing the national anthem and why he doesn't say the Pledge of Allegiance. Because he talked about, in his book, the pain, the racial hatred of what he had to endure.

Now, there are people who say, oh, but that was Jackie, but you didn't have to undo that. But see, every time an African-American is beaten by a cop, there's a U.S. flag that's on that uniform. So should we ignore that? See, we all don't actually have to do those things. We actually have the right to protest if we want to, Wendy. And then for you to say that, oh, these were the first songs you remember singing and you remember going to see the Liberty Bell and going to see the White House. Well, your parents are graduates of HBCUs. I'm sure they taught you when the White House was built by slaves. I'm sure when you went to go see the Liberty Bell, they explained to you that

when that bell was rung, it wasn't for us. See, it's real easy, Wendy, to sit in your position and then play this, oh, I'm such an American. Well, there's some real fundamental issues that people have when it comes to what's happening in this country. It's always amazing to me how many people are so patriotic and they say it's disrespectful to the military and first responders. You know what I say is disrespectful to the military and first responders? we don't even understand why we even fight. People say that they're fighting for our freedoms. Well, exactly what freedoms are those? I recall that if you talk about the freedoms in the Constitution, there's the First Amendment, which allows for us to actually protest, allows for us to actually assemble.

It's first for a reason. It's before the second with the guns. It's before the third and the fourth and the fifth and the 16th. It's before all the additional amendments. It was first for a reason. But see, Wendy, when you play this little game and trying to be, oh, I'm so patriotic, why don't you actually use your platform and tell your audience about American history? Why don't you use your platform, Wendy, during Black History Month or tell your audience about the black men who were lynched in their uniforms? Why don't you tell your audience, Wendy, about the black men who fought in train depots with white men, white soldiers, as they got back from Germany? Individuals who they were so-called

fighting on the same side against racism and bigotry in against Germany, against the Japanese. Why don't you talk about the hell that black soldiers had to pay, Wendy, in the military? Why don't you talk about during Black History Month, how black people have had to love a country that did not love them? Why don't you talk about civil servants who work in the federal government, who work for the Treasury Department

and the Secret Service and the FBI, and who had to file racial discrimination lawsuits against this very government. Why don't you talk about the hell that black folks endure right now working in public policy? See, it's amazing to me how we always want to talk about the national anthem and celebrate the flag, but don't want to say a damn thing when people are using the same system against us. I want to know, Wendy, when will you talk about that in your hot topics? When you will cover any of that in your discussions? When will you talk about the racial inequity? And when it comes to income in this country,

if we want to talk about the national anthem, Wendy, if we want to talk about the flag, Wendy, let's have a real conversation, a full conversation, and not some petty conversation saying that Jay-Z and Beyonce should leave. No, Wendy, I dare say what Harry Belafonte said when I interviewed him. I asked Harry the question, Harry you love, you can, you love the south of France. And he said this is why, he said I could easily move to the south of France. I can easily go somewhere else. I could easily travel around the world. But he said, I'm staying here to make America be the country. She said it was on paper.

And what you need to understand, Wendy, is that I don't care what Jay-Z said in response to this and trying to clean it up. What you need to understand, Wendy, is that black people will never be questioned by white people or people like you when it comes to patriotism. Because there have been no greater patriots in this country than black people. There have been no greater patriots than people who have loved a nation that did not love them. And if it means sitting or kneeling, Wendy, damn it, that's what we will do. Because we are going to exercise the freedoms of the First Amendment,

because the black people have actually made the country accept people for really who they are. Do you understand, Wendy, that two days ago was the 150th anniversary of the 15th Amendment, which gave black men the right to vote. Yet here, Wendy, we are in 2020, 150 years later, and black people are still dealing with voter IDs, still dealing with voter suppression.

Please share with me, Wendy, when are you going to have these conversations on your hot topics? When are you going to have real conversations about what black folks are dealing with all across this country? Not some silly ass entertainment stories, Wendy. But I'm talking about stuff of substance. I'm talking about things that actually matter. And so you want to chastise Jay-Z. And let me also do a fact check, Wendy, because I got to clearly fact check you like I had to do Angela. Wendy, Jay-Z is not an NFL owner.

Jay-Z don't own a whole team. He don't own half of a team. He don't own a quarter of a team. He don't own 10%, 5%, 1%,.1% of a team. He don't own a quarter of a team. He don't own 10%, 5%, 1%, 0.1% of a team. So please, if you're going to go on television chastising somebody, please use Google first. Now is not the time, Wendy, for black people with platforms to use them who are flat out wrong. And you are wrong. And so maybe, Wendy, you should pick the phone up and call folk like me before you open your mouth.

Now, see, I told you this last time. And you had me on the show and let's just be real honest. Y'all had me on the show because you and your then husband called me because y'all lost two million dollars in sponsorship and y'all needed to clean that thing and stop the dam before more money walked out of the door. If we really want to spill some tea. Let's be real. And remember, Wendy, I got receipts. Because when I spoke in Florida, I met your daddy.

And your daddy thanked me for setting you straight about your comments about HBCUs and the NAACP, Wendy. See, I got receipts, Wendy. So if you want to have a discussion, Wendy, on your show about black people and protest and the national anthem, you got my number. But please use your platforms to properly educate folks and not live in a fog of ignorance. Wendy. All right, folks. You want to support Roller Mark Unfiltered, please join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar you give goes to support what we do to make this show possible. This is a show that is unbought, unbossed.

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