#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 4.6 RMU: COVID-19 hits Black communities hard; Did China hide outbreak numbers? Exercise/diet tips

Episode Date: April 12, 2020

4.6.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: COVID-19 hits poor communities and Black communities hard; Alarming contagion and death rates in Alabama; Did China hide outbreak numbers? A recent study shows that young Black people have a bleak outlook on their futures; Seniors face difficult challenges getting to the polls partly because of coronavirus; Tips on maintaining a healthy diet and exercise routine while in isolation. #RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and black churches and black preachers. There's no reason at all to be holding church services this week or on Resurrection Sunday. I will explain. Also, the president of the American Medical Association, she will join us on the show as well. Civil rights organizations are calling for the release of racial data on coronavirus testing, but also on the number of deaths. We are being impacted in a major way. The majority of the deaths in a number of states, we will explain. Also, Alabama and Maryland will examine the rates of contagion and deaths there as well. Finally, the Alabama governor woke the hell up

and issued a sheltered-in place for that state. Also, did China hide their COVID-19 numbers? And why? We'll talk to Malcolm Nance about that. A recent study shows that young black people have a bleak outlook on their futures. We'll explain. Plus, seniors face difficult challenges getting to the polls

partly because of coronavirus. Also, the way the polls are set up and how do you maintain a healthy diet and exercise routine while you're sheltered in place? Well, Cootie Mac will join us. And Tony Terry, I'm going to show you a great video. He was walking in the park. A couple was getting married.

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He's funky, he's fresh is holding their daily coronavirus update. We're not going to take it, go live to it right now. Why? Because Donald Trump lit the microphone and he has spent far too much time lying at the podium. It was shameful to watch him over the weekend. And so we're not going to waste our time showing him. Now, if Dr. Fauci steps up, Dr. Burke step up, we'll go live to the news conference. I'm monitoring it as we're doing the show.

But we simply cannot show you Donald Trump talking about anything dealing with this pandemic because he is shown to be an absolute despicable liar. All right, folks, as of today, there are 339,596 cases of COVID-19 in all of the United States. In fact, this graphic has changed. We've now gone past 10,000 deaths in the United States. And so that's where we stand Friday at this time. We had 18,029 patients who have recovered from the virus. And so that's what we stand Friday at this time. We have 18,029 patients who have recovered from the virus. And so that's what's going on right there. Now, earlier today, Governor Andrew Cuomo gave his update and talked about how close they are when it comes to the problem with ventilators.

They are now in a dangerous territory in New York. Total number of hospitalizations are down. The ICU admissions are down and the daily intubations are down. Those are all good signs and again would suggest a possible flattening of the curve. The number of discharged is down, but that reflects the overall reduction in the numbers. Big question that we're looking at now is what is the curve? And we've been talking about cases increase, increase, increase until they don't. When they stop increasing, then what happens? And the projection models have a number of alternatives. Some suggest basically the curve goes up and then drops precipitously. Some suggest there's a slight pause at the top. Some suggest there's a longer pause at the top, which is effectively a plateau effect, or again, the straight up and straight

down precipitous drop, which is the peak effect. No one can tell you which will occur. All right, folks. Yesterday at the news conference, it was unbelievable to stand, to sit there and watch Donald Trump play a doctor on TV, telling people to try a drug that is used for malaria that is being used in some places right now. Go to my iPad, folks. I trying to get this to work it is just it is just stunning to watch what is happening on a daily basis when Donald Trump stands before the cameras it is turning into a joke if you will because he is treating this as if it is a

television show focused on the high ratings these news conferences are actually getting. So let me go ahead and play this right now. So folks, listen to this. I hope they use the hydroxychloroquine and they can also do it with Z-Pak subject to your doctor's approval and all of that. But I hope they use it because I'll tell you what, what do you have to lose? In some cases, they're in bad shape. What do you have to lose? It's been out there for a long time and I hope they use it. And they're going to look at the, with doctors, work with doctors, get what you have to get. But we have it stockpiled and it's, we have a lot of it.

All right, folks, joining me right now is a real doctor, Dr. Patrice A. Harris. She is president of the American Medical Association. Glad to have you back on Roland Martin Unfiltered, Dr. Harris. Glad to be with you. When you listen to that, Trump says, hey, I'm not a doctor. Just go ahead and try it. You have Dr. Fauci who is trying to consistently say that, look, this has to be properly tested. You have Peter Navarro, who is the trade expert, who is fighting with Dr. Fauci because he read some studies somewhere. He does an interview today on CNN where he says, you know, look, I'm a social

scientist. I mean, this is the moment where political people should shut the hell up and allow the professionals, the scientists and the doctors to talk about these matters. Roland,

we have to start and end with the science and the data. Patients trust us to do so as physicians. And certainly when we prescribe a treatment or an alternative, we do so with thinking through the risks and the benefits. And sometimes some of those risks are death, And we have to be very candid about that. And so the standard has to be about the science. Yes, there are clinical trials that are using this medication. Yes, this medication works in malaria and it's helping so many patients with with lupus and arthritis. But we need to make sure that we have the data, good data, before we begin to say this medicine should be used on a widespread basis. There are people who are saying that if you have diabetes, if you have high blood pressure, taking this drug can be very dangerous for you.

We're talking about black folks. That's right there in the wheelhouse for African-Americans. Absolutely. And I think and I hope that everyone knows that African-Americans already were suffering with inequities regarding health and had a disproportionate impact when it comes to diabetes and hypertension, high blood pressure. And so we know those are risk factors for worse outcomes with COVID-19. And we don't have the data right now. There's been some promising data, some small stories, some small stories of success, but we don't have the data about how it will interact with other medications. There's a medication that I prescribe as a psychiatrist that could cause

heart arrhythmias. And of course, we know Z-Pak and hydroxychloroquine could do the same. And so we have to have the data. We have to be careful. I mean, physicians, it's a position of trust, and we need to be very judicious in our recommendations. And our recommendations have to begin and end with the science. And when you talk about that in terms of where we are, one of the issues that we're facing right now is we're seeing what's happening with these deaths all across the country. African-Americans, when you talk about those underlying conditions, are being impacted. You have what's happening in Michigan. Represent 14% of the state's population, nearly 40% of all deaths that have taken place in Michigan. We're seeing cases in what's happening in Georgia, what's happening in Mississippi, in Alabama. In Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot is also signaling the alarm there. She, if you actually go to my iPad, Henry,

Lightfoot declares public health red alarm about racial disparity in COVID-19 deaths. We'll be talking later with someone about them wanting to collect the racial data. We need to have this information, doctor, if you can actually speak to this, because we have to understand how COVID-19 is impacting people of color, how it's impacting different groups. So just like people say, if you're at a high risk, if you're elderly versus if you're young, we need to also know, are you at a high risk if you're black?

We absolutely need that information and the American Medical Association supports collecting that data and then, of course, using that data to target areas that may need additional support. So at the end of this, we do need to make sure that data is collected regarding race and ethnicity. And I hope I am so glad that they are doing this in Chicago. I know one of the first articles I read was about the deaths in Milwaukee. And if I recall correctly, there were eight deaths at the time. This was several days ago and they were all African-American. So we need data so we can understand what's going on and then how we move forward with targeting supports and treatments. Doc, hold on one second. I want to go to I want you to sit and stay there. I want to go to the White House. We do not carry Donald Trump when he speaks. But certainly we do want to hear when Dr.

Fauci has to say he's now speaking. Go right ahead, Henry. With both of the governors and you know, when I had mentioned that, I think there was a public response that they weren't really doing anything at all. And they really are doing a very good job, both of them. Those are the only two that I spoke to, but it was a really good conversation. And I want to make sure people understand that just because they don't have a very strict stay-at-home order, they have in place a lot of things that are totally compatible with what everyone else is doing. If I could ask a question of Dr. Fauci, for you.

The President Go ahead. The Press About getting back to normal, you said you wanted to get back to normal as soon as possible. Will we truly get back to normal in this country before there's an actual vaccine that's available to everybody? How do you start lifting the restrictions? The President Yeah, well, John, if back to normal

means acting like there never was a coronavirus problem, I don't think that's going to happen until we do have a situation where you can completely protect the population. But when we say getting back to normal, we mean something very different from what we're going through right now, because right now we are in a very intense mitigation.

When we get back to normal, we will go back gradually to the point where we can function as a society. But you're absolutely right. I mean, if you want to get to pre-coronavirus, you know, that might not ever happen in the sense of the fact that the threat is there. But I believe with the therapies that will be coming online and with the fact that I feel confident that over a period of time we will get a good vaccine,

that we will never have to get back to where we are right back now. So if that means getting back to normal, then we'll get back to normal. All right, Trump is going back to the microphone. It means we're breaking back, breaking away. Dr. Harris, we were talking about, of course, the impact on these drugs for African Americans, the importance of getting that racial data as well. Could you also just please speak to African Americans who continue to congregate,

but also these black preachers in these black churches? We've been talking about using the hashtag, hashtag Easter at home, Resurrection Sunday at home. I mean, churches can quickly be incubators of coronavirus. These folks should not be having church service. Thank you for doing that, Roland. It is so important. We have to stay at home, no exceptions.

I mean, and I understand we, of course, need that spiritual connection, but we can make that spiritual connection in other ways. But at this point, it is absolutely critical that everyone stays at home, wash your hands, only go out for groceries or for medicines or any health needs. Everybody, please stay home. The AMA has sent a letter out to the National Governors Association asking those governors, I believe it may be eight or nine now, that have not activated a stay-at-home order to please do so.

We know this works. We've seen it. We've seen the first early cities who started this early, their incidence of cases is lower. And so physical distancing is the best, the absolute best strategy we have for flattening the curve. We've talked about that. That is the best strategy. So please, everyone stay home. Last question for you. I have to ask you about masks. So now the CDC is saying that if you have to go out in public to wear at least some kind of cloth over your face and so I have here you know I had to go ahead of course I have my kente mask and so okay so this

is this is not an n95 mask are they saying that reserve those from for medical professionals for first responders? And when they say any cloth, so just can you just explain that for the people who are watching so they can understand or decipher what was being said? Happy to do so. The first thing I know, because I know it sometimes gets frustrating because the recommendations do change. But Roland, my grandmother used to say, when you know better, you do better. And that is where we are with the data. As we get more data we may change recommendations and people should see that as a positive. People should see that. Oh they have new data new and better ways to make sure I am safe. So yes the CDC is now recommending the public go out with a cloth mask. Your mask is great. I really like it.

But, yes, to your point, not the surgical mask and not the N95 respirator mask. Those should be reserved for frontline workers or other health care professionals. So, yes, I've seen lots of creative Facebook posts about ways to make masks. Please do that. Remember, that is mostly protecting others from you in case you are infected. We know that you can still infect others if you are showing no symptoms. And so that is why the CDC is now recommending those masks. However, Roland, I want to stress, that is not instead of staying at home,

washing your hands, that's in addition to. And also, people also need to understand, because I had somebody who was, when I went out to get gas, and they were like, oh my God, wear your gloves,

she'll be covering your head. I was like, yo, calm the hell down. I said, first of all. I was like, yo, calm the hell down. I said, first of all, I'm at the gas. There's no one within 10 feet behind me. No one within 10 feet to my left, to in front on my right. And so they're like, oh my God, but coronavirus is airborne. I'm going, but if there's no one around me talking or coughing, there's nothing that's actually airborne.

And so people are totally freaking out and they were just like losing it. And I had explained to them that literally at the gas station, the guy was walking, as each person was using the pump, he was spraying down the pump before we used them. And then, and so some people were using the actual paper towels or the cloths to actually to use the pump. And so people are just totally freaking out. I was kind of like, I need y'all to calm down.

Like one woman said, oh, my God, you'd be covering your hair because coronavirus could actually infect you through your hair. And I'm like, breathe. Breathe is good. You know, we fear and worry is normal in a situation like this. You know, I'm a psychiatrist, and so I want people to be able to express those emotions. But we we want to channel that worry into positive action and not panic. And you're right. We have to get gas. Those of us who have to be out for essential services, as long as you maintain that six feet of distance. Now, it was very nice of them to spray the pumps down, but certainly if you touch anything, just wash your hands, wash your hands. When you go to

the grocery store, the first thing you want to do is come in, put away, maybe wipe down, but wash your hands. So we want people to be careful, be proactive, but not panic. All right. And Dr. Patrice Harris, president, American Medical Association. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. All right, folks. We talk about again, as we talked about with her, how are we being impacted the most with the largest community for civil rights under law

and hundreds of doctors are calling for the federal government to release race and ethnicity data on infections and deaths from COVID-19. There are reports that the pandemic is affecting African-Americans at a disproportionate rate. As I said to you, we see the data is coming out of Michigan, what's happening in Milwaukee and Wisconsin, what's coming out of New Orleans, what's coming out of Chicago as well.

Joining me right now is Dorian Spence. He's the director of economic justice for the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Dorian, explain to people why this data is vital. Well, first of all, thanks for having me on, Roland. This data is vital. What we know is that African-Americans have suffered disproportionate health outcomes because of racial bias in the health care field. And some of the diseases that African Americans suffer from

exacerbate the COVID-19 virus. So we need this data from the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services to make sure that African Americans have full access and speedy access to both testing for the novel coronavirus as well as treatment for the novel coronavirus. Um, the CDC, through its COVID, uh, reporting request form, collects data

on race, age, ethnicity, um, and location. But to date, the CDC has not released to the public any of this data. So we don't know if African Americans across the country are being disproportionately affected, uh, of this data. So we don't know if African-Americans across the country are being disproportionately affected by this pandemic. And that is something that we need to know. State health providers need to know it on a local basis, but also racial justice organizations and civil rights organizations and just average lay people in our communities need to know

whether or not we're receiving adequate treatment in the midst of this pandemic. And so how do we get it? I know there are some state officials who are trying to require it in their states. And so will the Fayettes actually do that? Well, we hope so. We issued a strongly worded letter today with the support of over 375 medical practitioners who backed us up on this. And we hope we can put out a call to Dr. Harris, who was just on immediately before me, with the American Medical Association to support us in this call. But we're asking for the CDC and DHS to provide daily updates on the race and ethnicity of those who are testing positive for the coronavirus.

What we have seen across the country is a narrow slice or snapshots of what's happening on the state level. I think you pointed out Illinois, where the population is 14.6 percent African-American, but African-Americans make up 28 percent of the confirmed cases. Or in Michigan, where African-Americans are only 14 percent of the population, but they make up 34 percent of the cases for novel coronavirus, as well as 40 percent of the deaths. Right. There are some states that are doing the right thing, like the District of Columbia is doing the right thing. They're reporting out on these numbers. South Carolina is doing the same. So is Illinois. So is Michigan. as Michigan, but I don't see why this isn't a 50-state push to provide the public and the medical community, as well as civil rights organizations like the Lawyers Committee,

with the information that we need to hold health systems accountable to our communities. All right. And if folks want to stay in agreement with you guys, where should they go? So our ask is actually twofold, Roland. Number one, if you are a doctor and you're working in the health care field and you're seeing this bias play out in real time, if you see that our communities are not receiving the treatment that they deserve in the midst of this pandemic, we want to hear from you. You can email us at health, H-E-A-L-T-H, at lawyerscommittee.org. But to your viewers, we understand that this isn't just a pandemic that strikes the medical field or the legal field. This is affecting

everyday people. And if you want to stand with us united in our call for the CDC and the Department of Health and Human Services to release these numbers, you can sign on to our change.org petition. I will drop it in the chat box on your Roland Martin Unfiltered Live chat box on YouTube,

and we'll tweet it out, and we'll tweet at you as well so you can raise up the Change.org petition as well, Roland. All right, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks so very much, sir. We appreciate your presence. All right, folks, Alabama has already seen more than 1,500 confirmed cases of coronavirus and 26 confirmed deaths.

Now, the numbers dropped over the weekend, but Alabama could have the highest per capita death rate in the country and the fourth highest death, highest total death count. Currently, there are 1,952 cases and 49 deaths. You can also see how that breaks down. Now, over the weekend, Alabama Governor Kay Ivey finally issued a shelter in order place. Joining us right now is Roy Johnson, a columnist with AL.com. Roy, you wrote a column saying better late than never and that we need to pray. There was so much pressure. And, you know, here's one of these Republican governors, red state, just like Tate Reeves next door in Mississippi, like Ron DeSantis

in Florida. They were taking so long and it was it was as if they were waiting for more people to die to go, oh, I guess we better go ahead and do this thing. A week before she finally told Alabamians to stay at home, Governor Kay Ivey blithely said, we're not California, we're not Louisiana, we're not New York, When actually we were worse than some of those states when it comes to corona cases, positive cases and deaths per capita. And over the next few days, it became very apparent finally a week prior to that, a shelter-in-place ordinance that dramatically limited the number of businesses that could be open, that was very specific about restaurants and bars, doing takeout, and said exactly, for the most part, I mean, there was some glitches early on regarding what you could and could not do in terms of going out, and your guests have already outlined that. It took a full week for Governor Ivey to issue a similar order, and there's a lot of reasons why. I mean, she said herself that 160-plus cases overnight led her to do it, but there's also a perception

that Alabama is two states and that sitting in the Capitol, it was easy early on to dismiss the coronavirus problem in Alabama as a Jefferson County, Birmingham problem. The county and certainly Birmingham are the most diverse cities in the state. 70% of the population of Birmingham is African American and a significant number of citizens in Jefferson County are African-American, and that was where the largest number of cases were occurring. So my suspicion is early on it was easy for other parts of the state to say,

hey, that's Jefferson County's problem, that's Birmingham's problem, when in fact it was only because of limited testing in other areas that we were seeing such low numbers. And now that disparity is seeing such low numbers. And now that disparity is starting to be closer. It's diminishing. And it's clear that this is an Alabama problem, not just a Jefferson County problem. Well, what's to me, what's so stupid and idiotic is that it's not like Alabama sits at the top when it comes to health stats. Anything.

Health status, we have some of the largest disparities in pretty much any ailment you could name, from birth rates with mothers to diabetes to cardiovascular disease. I mean, we rank near the bottom in just about everything. So one of the things that Dr. Selwyn Vickers, who is the Dean of the UAB Medical School, that's University of Alabama at Birmingham, said is that these kinds of crises reveal gaps.

And I'm writing a column that will appear tomorrow that basically where he says that this crisis has revealed how we've ignored populations for so long, and that those populations, the populations that are hit the hardest by these health disparities are the ones that could ultimately define us. If we start to see the types of numbers and percentages coming out of Alabama that we're seeing in other large cities, and there's no reason we shouldn't, it's going to be clear that African-Americans are going to suffer disproportionately in Alabama, as they are in other cities, by the COVID-19 virus. You might

say that there aren't as many high-rise buildings here, but my column also focuses on the challenges from public housing. And public housing, where there's dense housing, where there's often overcrowding, could really be a petri dish for incubation for the novel coronavirus. So there are a lot of concerns about what may happen in the next couple of weeks. And as your earlier guest said, testing in those areas is almost null and void and certainly less than in other areas. So people are keeping their fingers crossed and praying that residents will heed the warnings. There were concerns that they weren't. Someone said that it was almost like Fourth of July at some of the public housing communities where people were out grilling.

They're out with their families. Everyone, please listen to the authorities. Please heed their warnings for social distancing and keeping gatherings small. This is not a vacation. It's not a coronacation, as I call it in my next column. This is real, and it's incumbent upon all citizens to heed the warnings as well as on our officials to make sure that we have all the data we need

to know whether this is, in fact, affecting an African American disproportionately to others. And I certainly will hope the black preachers in Alabama are not going to be holding church services this week. I know it's Holy Week. I get all of that. But far too many of our people could be greatly impacted by people having church services. And so hashtag Easter at home or hashtag Resurrection Sunday at home for all those black preachers there in Alabama. And look, if you if your church is having a service, don't mean you need to be there.

Simple as that. And there are plenty of churches that are having virtual services. Some have not been as virtually and technologically capable as others. I know my own church, Rock City Church here in Birmingham, is very technologically savvy. And we've been doing virtual services for over three weeks. Pastor Mike McClure Jr., who many people know for his hit song, Big, has been very, very tech forward. There are resources on the website, resources available through YouTube and Facebook to help people to guide them through coronavirus. And he's also offered to help any pastor, any church in the area that does not have the capabilities of recording their own

sermons to come to Rock City Church and utilize their technology to record sermons. And so this Sunday, we definitely hope that pastors will heed the warnings. We had a church here in rural Alabama in a county that is about 40 percent Black and a predominantly black church that had 10 cases of coronavirus positive tests come out of it after having service on March 8th, where they celebrated a pastor's anniversary. Now, 10 of those members are affected and the church is almost empty just because of people finally taking precautions. Now, March 8th was before the warnings came out, but it just shows you how fast this is penetrating our community and using churches in order to do its dastardly work.

All right, then. Roy Johnson, AL.com. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. All right, sir. All right, folks. Again, we've got to keep our folks abreast of this. Remember last week we told you Sam Jackson

had done this video, uh, for the folks with, uh, Jimmy Kimmel, uh, which, uh, pretty funny. It was pretty funny. Uh, and, uh, I had reached out to Sam, uh, to, uh, to, to, to get a copy of the video. Uh, and so look, this was for anybody, but this is really the case for black people when it comes to this whole issue of shelter in place. Stay the fuck at home. The rona is spreading. This shit is no joke.

It's no time to work or roam. The way you can fight it is simple, my friends. Just stay the fuck at home. Now, technically, I'm not a doctor. But motherfuckers listen when I read a poem. So here I am, Sam fucking Jackson, imploring you, keep your ass at home. If you want things to get back to normal, don't panic. Just use your dome.

Wash your hands. Just use your dome. Wash your hands, stop touching your face, and stay the fuck at home. Motherfucker, it's no time to gamble. Look around. You're not at a casino. Just stay the fuck home as if your name was Trenton Quarantino. Sure, you can still see your friends. Use the motherfucking app on your phone. But unless you just ran out of groceries, please stay the fuck at home.

Thank you for doing your part to flatten the curve because that shit is steep. And now that you're home please feel free to go the fuck to sleep be it all right i know a lot of us might get a laugh out of that but uh yo we need to abide by that seriously uh over the the weekend here in Washington, D.C., these people are all out at the wharf for some damn reason, you know, out here and join themselves, like Roy said, thinking this was like a Corona vacation. And then finally, the people at the wharf shut that damn thing down. I mean, I just don't understand what people are doing. I mean, people are congregating out. They're getting together, having parties and stuff. Let me explain to you. Black folks are dying. There was a black bus driver in Michigan who had complained that a woman on his bus was coughing.

That bus driver today is dead. Dead. As a result of this, we have seen musicians, we've seen artists, we've seen healthcare people who are dead because of coronavirus. Also, I really need people to chill the hell out with all this other nonsense. I'm tired of these conspiracy theories. I'm going to deal with this one in a second.

But, oh man, the same thing as the flu? No. You have not heard medical professionals dropping dead because of the flu. This thing is real, and we need to understand it. Folks, we talked about Alabama. Now, in Maryland, there are 4,045 cases of COVID-19.

Ninety-one people have died. Now, these are the breakdown by county. Prince George's County, we always talk about all the wealthiest county for black folks in America. Guess what? 916 cases leading the state. Twenty three deaths in the state. Joining me right now is Delegate Nick Mosby of Maryland.

Nick, glad to have you on the show. Thanks for having me, Roland. You know, this is this is this is something we're trying to get people to understand, that these numbers are real, this virus is real. We also talked to the head of the American Medical Association, as well as the Lawyers Committee, why that data is so important. You there, Nick? All right, so it looks like Nick's phone is frozen.

So, guys, just let me know when we have him back so I can pull him up. Let's just do this here. Let's go to a break. When we come back, we're going to talk with Nick Mosby. We're going to also talk to our panel as well as we'll talk to Malcolm Nance about China withholding information and how that actually hurt us in the beginning of this coronavirus international pandemic. You're watching Roller Mark Unfiltered.

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All right, folks, let's bring in our panel today. Joining me right now is Cleo Monago, behavioral expert, also political analyst, Eugene Craig, CEO of the Eugene Craig Organization, Pam Keith, attorney and activist who's also running for Congress. Folks, anybody who needs to understand why I do not waste my time with

Donald Trump, this is why he should not be shown live, because he is a menace to society. This is today's news conference moments ago. This is the kind of childishness you get out of the person who is sitting in the Oval Office. Here we go to my iPad. I can interact with it like I do every single day. But that's a discussion for the future. I think testing is really in a good position right now, and I'm happy to expand on some of the really good tests that are coming up.

How long has that person been in government? Did serve in the previous administration. Oh, you didn't tell me that. Oh, I see. You didn't tell me that, John. You didn't tell me that. Did serve in the you didn't tell me that, John. You didn't tell me that did serve in the previous administration. You mean the Obama administration? Thank you for telling me that. See, there's a typical fake news deal. I told you when she was appointed. You're a third

grade reporter. And what you just said is a disgrace. OK, you asked me, you said, sir, just got appointed. Take a look at what you said now. I said, when did they when did this person how long in government? Well, it was appointed in the Obama administration. Thank you very much, John. Thank you very much. You will never make it. Go ahead. On the on the benefit is so we can interact with it like I do every single day. It's kind of kind of pretty stupid, Eugene, to say John Carl, you'll never make it when he's actually a White House reporter for ABC News, who's also the fill-in host,

actually who was one of the co-hosts of ABC This Week on ABC. What the hell? Yeah, and if my memory recalls correctly, I believe John Carl at one point was also a reporter for Fox News, you know, Trump's favorite network. This is crazy. It's asinine.

We don't have time for these petty squabbles. We don't have time for the president to stroke his petty eagle. People are literally dying. The country is still unprepared for this crisis, this pandemic. You have states that are still asking for ventilators. You have states that are still asking for ventilators. You have states that are still asking for PPE. You know, the hospital that you covered last week, you know, they went through six months of PPE in a week dealing with this virus. And so, you know, the president needs to, you know, maybe this needs to step aside and just, you know, stop going to the podium.

Let Pence and Fauci and Birx just handle all the questions. You know, but it's crazy. It's crazy. Pam, what we're dealing with here, again, are constant lies emanating from that podium. Frankly, if you look at the polling data, 85% of people trust Dr. Fauci. Even in Florida, Donald Trump is polling lower than Governor Ron DeSantis, who's an absolute idiot,

and from local mayors there as well. And not only that, we also see these reports where whatever Florida asked for, they got even more than what they asked for in terms of equipment. Yet other states, he hasn't sent that. And so it seems as if Donald Trump is sending gear based upon electoral college strategy. I think you're absolutely right. I do want to address the comment that Donald Trump made from the podium because we're and inherently the deep state or inherently against him because that's how his thing functions.

It's bicameral. You are either with him or against him, and there's nothing else. There's no expertise. There's no mission. There's no service to the people. There's no expertise. There's no mission. There's no service to the people. There's no staying in a career. To him, if you were ever willing to work in an Obama administration, everything you necessarily have to say is discounted. And it is a continuation of the demonization of anybody who is not a right-wing GOP conservative. That is destructive right now, like nothing you could possibly

believe because facts, data, information is being rejected by large swaths of our fellow Americans only because it comes from someone they believe to be in cahoots with whatever they call the deep state, right? They are willing to put their lives, their children's lives, their parents' lives in jeopardy because they've been so conditioned to believe that everything Democrats say is when in fact Democrats don't hope at all. That is purely GOP conspiracy territory. When we decide to accuse somebody of something, nine

times out of ten, they're going to end up in jail. That's for Manafort. That's where Gates is going. That's where Flynn is going. When we come at them, we always land it because we don't do hoaxes. We do science and scholarship and education. We don't do hoaxes. Well, the thing here, Cleo,

people are, people are literally dying. And, I keep making the point that, look, ain't nobody gonna save us but us.

And so, as African Americans, we better be very particular in terms of who we listen to and what they have to say, which is one of the reasons why we keep putting on as many black experts

as possible because black people, look, they trust information coming from black health care professionals. And we've got to have more of that. But what what we're constantly seeing out of this administration is that they are picking winners and losers. It is obvious the game that they're playing, Cleo. Well, I definitely want to address how I think black people should deal with this coronavirus issue. But I want to go back to saying that, believe it or not, Trump is doing what he's always done. True, true.

Trump has not changed. Trump said ridiculous things and had people who were bullying people and attacking people at his rallies before he became the president. And there is a... Please don't think I'm affirming or support Trump when I say this. I'm talking about perspective and how he keeps winning. There's a quote-unquote realness, a lack of stoicism,

and an alleged approachiveness by being allegedly candid and critical, which he has a flair for in terms of how he comes off, that attracts people, believe it or not, all across the racial canon. So even though he is someone who we see as despicable, because we're thinking logically, there's some people who are looking at him in contrast with previous people who they feel like he's more real than.

There's even black people who are supporting him because they think he's more real than Barack Obama, who they see as who was more stoic or passive, et cetera. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Go ahead. But I want to get back to black folks. I'm real concerned because the health disparities, well, first of all, let me preface my comments with this.

The coronavirus is preventable. We already know about social distancing, which has been the most promising recommendation in order to be a barrier to people infecting each other. So I want to reiterate that it's preventable so we can get that in our consciousness because there's a lot of negative messaging coming out about Black people. You mentioned it already out of Chicago,

out of Wisconsin, et cetera, that we are the most impacted. And you have, I was cracking up when Samuel Jackson was doing his stay the frank at home speech. But what concerns me about some of this stuff is that the health disparities that are pre-existing conditions that create a better venue for coronavirus to get to people are preventable. Diabetes is preventable too, just like coronavirus. Hypertension is preventable, too.

Cardiovascular care are all preventable. So we need to tell people to stay the F out of all kinds of places that are creating health disparities for us. Right, but what we're dealing with here is, look, in the present, in the now, how do we deal with it now?

Let me bring in Nick Mosby, a delegate from Maryland. We have him back. We had some phone issues earlier. Nick, are you there? Nick, you really, really want these states to be collecting the data so we understand the racial breakdown of who has died, who has tested positive, what kind of treatment they're getting. Because we know about the young brother in Detroit, Western Michigan University student was going to be graduating in a few weeks. He goes to a hospital. They turn him away. He gets sicker. He ends up dying 25 years old. Yeah. Yeah. So we know that without real time data, without evaluating exactly what's been taking place, it's hard for us to develop an effective as well as an equitable plan of really addressing and reducing the curve.

I mean, there's always been biases. There's always been baked-in discrimination in the health care system. So the fact is many places are starting to report, but not enough. And here in the state of Maryland, you know, our health department has started reporting on gender and age. Well, if you have gender and age, you also have in that same data set, you know, race breakdown as well as ethnicity and as well as where the people are coming from. At the end of the day, there's a scarcity of resources. And we have to develop the most effective plan to ensure that we're getting to where the problem is taking place. When you talk about, again, that data, that data is so important because just like when it comes to the whole issue of testing, we need to know where you have the major problems in order to understand how do you target the resources and target the focus.

Exactly. And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, this is a virus that whether you're black, white, rich or poor, you can contract and you can get. But we also know as it relates to communal sharing of it in the way that it's transmitted, that it spreads really quickly. So I keep saying to the governor, why not release the data? Why not allow Baltimore City, Prince George's County, Anne Arundel County, all these places know exactly where their populations and their pockets of problems are so we can address it. It provides us more effective and more equitable treatment again. I mean, if you have an area, it makes sense to go in that area with stronger engagement, with stronger testing, with stronger outreach and treatment.

We can't do that if we're in the dark. Without the data, we're in the dark. And every day that we go on without having the data, that breakdown, and where folks are coming from, we are lost. We're shooting in the dark. In fact, Nick, to your point, just got his tweet. Louisiana just released COVID-19 data, which shows that African-Americans account for 70 percent of all deaths in the state. They make up 32 percent of the population. Yep. And we're seeing we're seeing that everywhere. So we're seeing the overrepresentation of the folks who are being hospitalized, who come back positive, and ultimately who are dying.

The interesting thing is, who are we testing? You know, are we gonna see over-representation of black poor communities being tested? I would probably assume not based off of the way we've seen the bias and based off we've seen baked in discrimination in the healthcare system. But these are the type of numbers

that we really need to understand and know now in a real-time fashion. not something where somebody writes some white paper or some op-ed in two or three years later to talk about how we fail black poor people during the COVID pandemic. All right, then. Maryland delegate Nick Mosby, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Thanks a million. All right, sir. I want to go back to our panel here. Eugene, when you see that information, 71 percent of all deaths in Louisiana are African-American. I mean, this is why we have got to keep hammering black people. Stop congregating. Stop getting together. I know people want to go to church. I know when somebody dies, they want to go to a funeral. But we're actually creating more funerals by congregating. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, this is really simple. You know, social distance,

shelter in place, you know, and this, you know, virus will, you know, this you know virus will you know stop spreading you stop the spread you can somewhat return to normal but the first part of that is actually stopping the spread and folk that folk have to understand that what happened at the wharf this weekend you know yes it was a place of business that sold food that's technically was essential but when you overrun it overrun it you know you helping to help the spread you, I'm seeing people having, quote, unquote, quarantine parties. I mean, it's crazy. It is absolutely bananas out there. In fact, I saw this photo, Pam, over the weekend where they're in Brooklyn.

They're saying lawn clothes. And there were no black people out there. But all these white folks sitting out there having picnics. And I'm going, you dumbass,asses see that sign that say lawn clothes? There's a reason why they don't want you sitting outside. I just don't understand the psyche of people who are acting as if, nah, this is not really going to really have an impact on me. This is absolutely crazy.

I wish I had it. There was some woman who was just going crazy, Pam. And she was, oh, this is a hoax. This is this, that, and the other. And then her family posted a GoFundMe page where they announced that she had died because they didn't believe coronavirus was real. Right.

So, Roland, you're talking about a combination of things. You're talking about the first forward. All right. We're having some serious issues. We're having some serious issues with Pam Skype.

We're having some serious issues with Pam Skype. Let me know when we get that fixed. I'm going to go to Cleo. Cleo, I mean, we just have to keep hammering this thing in the head. Folks, this thing is real. And look, I get we want to go out, we want to just hang out and party, but

you could end your partying forever if you play around with this. We have to talk about this issue being real about people's perspective and how people respond behaviorally based on their perspective. Not everyone knows anyone from their perspective that's been directly impacted. You might remember that in the beginning of this discussion, there was a, I don't know if you heard this or not, you might have covered this on your

show, but at the beginning of this discussion, when the people watched the world map, it was about Italy. It was about China. There was no African places on this map that showed any coronavirus problems. Then there was a rumor out that black people didn't get it. And that was a damn lie. But it's not just

a damn lie. It's not true. But it's not just a damn lie. And what they didn't understand about the map in Africa was that what they didn't realize is the limited number of flights that come from Europe to Africa. Also understanding that the way

the system is set up is that you need to have these, you need to have the visas before you can even fly. So look, if I want to go to Paris, I can buy me a ticket, hop on a plane, fly to Paris. I just can't fly to an African nation like that because of how these rules are set up. And yeah, people are throwing this sort of stuff out there. Africa is impacted.

I was talking to somebody. I was talking to somebody. I was actually, we're still editing the Year of Return series that we're doing. My editor can't get into a crowd because the cops in Ghana are not playing. They will beat your ass if they see you out in public. Well, the other issue that's happening with Africa too, and you already know this,

is that the surveillance and epidemiological tracking systems in Africa are not as they are in the West. Right. So they weren't able to find out what the deal was as quick as they could here. Right. But my point to you is that people are emotionally involved in the theory.

Right. These conspiracy theories, it's like, I'm going to choke the shit out of one more person who brings up 5G. Roland, brother, I'm trying to get us to look at the fact that this society, particularly when it comes to Black people, are always creating angles at which we are second-guessing our worth and our value. So we trip off the whole concept of somebody having it worse than us, and this is white

folks. And you said it was a lie that it wasn't in Africa. And of course, logically, it was a lie. But what I'm getting us to take a look at is the emotional state of our people that gets us to do things that don't make any sense sometimes. Like I said earlier, we talk about staying the heck at home, but we need to stay the heck off of fast food. We need to stay the heck out of places that cause people to be abusive. There's all kinds of places to stay the heck out of, and we're not addressing them.

The black community has a self-concept issue, some unresolved mental health and trauma issues. And now that we have this coronavirus issue to address, we're going to have to start addressing these other preexisting factors if we want to successfully resolve this. Some people leave home for relief. Some people go to church

for relief. They don't have no relief. Look, I get all of that. But what I understand, Pam, is that ain't no Lazarus effect going on here. Once your ass gone,

you gone. It's gone. I think what I was trying to say was that one of the big problems is that the first narrative that came out on this was that it was not that serious and that it was political overreaction. The second narrative that came out on this was, well, just stay six feet apart from anybody you don't know and you're going to be fine. You don't have to wear a mask. And, you know, maybe if they cough or sneeze on you, it's a problem, but otherwise you should be fine. But that's evolved once again. Now it's clear that you shouldn't be in the same room as other people, that it's actually just breathing in the vicinity of someone can be problematic, that the virus stays on hard surfaces like doors and glass and things like that for long periods of time.

So now just staying six feet away from somebody across the street is not enough. You really need to stay home. And the more we learn about this virus, the more clear it is that it's more contagious than anything we've ever dealt with before. And whereas in our experience, you know, you see somebody with flu symptoms or cold symptoms, you think that person's contagious. But with this, maybe the person looks perfectly fine and they're carrying the virus and they may never show symptoms, but you will. And that's what we're not emphasizing. And Eugene, the reality is we do not have widespread testing to truly understand where we are.

And so the problem is we're still playing catch up because this administration dropped the ball. The Washington Post and Associated Press had huge stories over the weekend showing how the gross dysfunction of this administration allowed this coronavirus pandemic to grow and grow inside the United States borders. Yeah, look, I mean, I think the one thing that actually could help here is widespread testing. You got to figure out where the virus is, who's affected, how they're responding to it, and how to appropriately react and appropriately treat and appropriately, you know, get people taken care of. And the only way you can do that is with testing. That's the only

way you can do it. And the thing is this, it's not an issue of a lack of tests. It's an issue of getting tests from point A to point B, from test suppliers to the hands of people that are performing tests. One of the things that we're seeing right now is the breakdown of our system or lack thereof. The Chinese were able to lock down Wuhan and lock down a couple of places and just build a hospital and stuff because of the type of system that they have. But our system is a little different, dramatically different, actually. And it requires a little bit more. But the one thing that absolutely could help us here is testing, is getting people tested, figuring out where this virus is, who has it, and how to properly stop the spread. All right, folks, got to go to a break. We come back.

We're going to talk to Malcolm Nance about this issue as well. Of course, he is the terrorism expert, national security expert. And so we come back, We'll talk to him. But right now, this is Reverend William J. Barber preaching this weekend about where we stand in America with coronavirus. Pilate is more interested in his position and his power than telling the truth. The crowd is spurred on by those who are envious of Jesus. The crowd is being bamboozled. And they choose the life for Jesus Barabbas. You know, Jesus was a common name in that time.

They choose Jesus Barabbas, whose name means son of the father. And they choose the death of Jesus the Christ, which means the son of the father and they choose the death of Jesus the Christ which means the son of God and Pilate being this political leader that has no real beliefs only belief in his own self he capitulates to their will and his view is if politically political stability for himself requires the death of innocent people, if his poll numbers require that innocent folk die, if his dreams of authoritarian rulership

require that movements be put down and innocent people die, then so be it. All that matters to him is that my position is protected. And he says, in essence, what can I do except wash my hands of the whole business and hope that so much innocent blood doesn't leave a stain on my leadership. When governors in states like Florida, Mississippi, and Alabama refuse to expand health care and refuse to issue stay-in-place orders and lie and claim they don't know if the science is true,

while people are dying dying you can't wash your hands like that. When the Senate and the House first give trillions of dollars to Wall Street bailouts and not to ensure the health care and the living wages for those who need it. They give money to Wall Street and not and don't ensure that people on every street and every back road are protected. You can't wash your hands like this. When the third bill they passed claiming a bailout for people, but that third bill leaves out millions of low wage workers, sanitation workers, grocery workers, fast food workers, health care workers, janitors, undocumented

workers, the homeless. You can't wash your hands. You can't wash your hands like this. And when preachers who have supported Trump's wrongs and when religious nationalists go on TV and say the reason America is suffering because of those people who don't like and support the president. No, you can't wash your hands like this. Or when religious leaders call their congregations together anyhow and tell them it's a test of their faith when it's really about them

wanting to make sure they don't lose offerings and lose tithes to support their outlandish lifestyle and they're willing to risk lives you can't wash your hands of this all right folks powerful sermon there by Reverend Dr. William J. Barber of this. extremely worried. Now, 29% of the same black young adults were extremely worried or very worried about paying their rent. Other key findings were included. 37% of black young adults strongly support a universal basic income of $1,000 each month for each American 18 or older. 52% of black young adults strongly support the idea that the government should guarantee a job to every American adult who wants to work. And 29% of black young adults support a plan to establish a public option like Medicare for All,

but let people stay on their private insurance if they want to. Joining me now is Kathy Cohen, principal investigator for Gen Forward, an organization dedicated to understanding the challenges and opportunities faced by young people of color. So, Kathy, based upon this study,

how do we take all of that with what's happening with the stimulus package being passed by Congress? Well, I think, you know, I think it's clear that young people have a different understanding of what the priorities are at this moment with the covid pandemic. But I think they had a clear understanding of the priorities long before this moment. They understood their precarity. They understood the need for an expansive state. They support policies such as the government guaranteeing everyone a job who wants to work. They support universal basic income of $1,000 a month. These young people live tenuously. They know that they could

lose their job at any moment, in part because of the gig economy, in part because of racial capitalism. So even prior to COVID-19, they were asking for more security in their lives and in their communities. And as we know, COVID-19 has only exaggerated their precarity, only exaggerated their marginality. So I would suspect that when we get the next results from the survey, they will be even more strong in their understanding of needing an expansive state and a fair economy. But here's the deal, though, Kathy, I have to ask this,

but where in the hell are they when it comes to voting? I mean, everything that you just laid out. Yeah, there's a direct correlation between all those things in voting. We saw in the Democratic nomination where Bernie Sanders, all those things there line up with his agenda. And he kept saying he's the one who can bring them out to the polls. Yet when you look at the hardcore numbers, that wasn't happening. And so my whole deal is, is one thing to say,

I like or I want this, this, this. Another thing is to say, I'm going to work to make it happen. Well, here's the truth. Come on now. We know that very few people work to make elections happen. What we do know is that

the reason people often show up to vote is because of the networks that they're involved in. The older you get, the more likely you're to be around people who have voted, the more likely you're to be in organizations that mobilize you to vote. And so while, yes, we can blame young people for not going to the polls. No, no, no, no, I'm not blaming. I know, but I'm saying, I'm saying, so what we have to do is what is the infrastructure, right, that will mobilize them to the polls. No, no, no, no. I'm not blaming. I know, but I'm saying, so what we have to do is, what is the infrastructure, right, that will mobilize them to the polls,

but will not just mobilize them to the polls, but will activate them throughout the year, outside of election years, right? Right, but there are, here's my struggle with this. First of all, there are institutions that are there that do that.

Which one? The issue that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right. There are a few. I was I was we need more. But first of all, first of all, historic historically, what I've always contended is that if you look at if you if you go from 1955 to present day, the reality is that your historical civil rights organizations, National Urban League, NAACP, to some extent National Congress of Negro Women, SCLC is not even close to what they used to be. Those entities still exist because you had infrastructure and they still are there. I have long said that

the one vehicle, actually there were two vehicles, but the main vehicle that young people were involved in this process was SNCC, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. Once they begin to make that shift towards being far more radical, then all of a sudden you begin to see them die out. And so SNCC goes away. And so you have not had that historical organization with infrastructure that was specifically targeting young people. But what I keep saying, though, to people, I don't care of what age, you can say, I want this, this, this. But in this very system, you can say we need to change the whole system.

That's fine. But in this very system, the way you do it, the way you impact it first starts with your voting. And then secondly, to your point, what you do after you vote. Right. But I think it's I agree with most of what you said, but not all of what you said. And I think that there are organizations since Nick. Right. Because I think we do a disservice when we say there was this kind of golden moment around the civil rights movement. And there hasn't been anything since. If we think of the movement for black lives, Black Lives Matter, BYP 100. I mean, there are any number of organizations that mobilize young people into the streets and in ways we haven't seen in years. So I think in 2016, they decided after eight years of Obama and having actually to mobilize during the Obama administration

that they weren't going to get involved in politics. I think this is different this year. I think we've seen the Working Family Party and the Dream Defenders come out and endorse Sanders or Warren. We've seen them begin to think about what are strategies to mobilize young people and get them to the polls. But we have to be thinking about what is a broader infrastructure of mobilization that speaks to the issues that matter most to young people, that pays attention to the ways in which they communicate. So how do we build social

media platforms also that help with that mobilization and that support organizations like organizations connected to the movement for black lives that have, yes, a radical vision, thank God, but also understand the necessity of mobilizing people to the polls, but beyond the polls. And so I can't lie into the fact that we haven't seen it. No, no, no, no. Follow I can't lie into the fact that since SNCC we haven't seen it. No, no, no. Follow me here. Follow me here why you use SNCC as the model.

Because those... No, no, follow me here because here's why. Because here also was the failure of Black Lives Matter. And the reason I can say that is because I was specifically communicating with them in this whole deal. What I kept arguing early on, I was like, I hear y'all. I said, but let me tell you this one word that you better understand infrastructure. And what happened was there was there was a lot of my old man, them old groups. This is what I kept saying. I'm talking about to the top leaders. I said, but the fact that you still can criticize them speaks to infrastructure.

And here's what happened. After 2016, the leadership, you know what they all came up with? Damn. We really didn't focus on this infrastructure thing. Because what happened was... Okay, I'm going to disagree with you again. And here's the deal. I was talking

directly with them. And the only reason I'm using the only reason I'm using SNCC as an example the only reason I'm using SNCC as the example because that serves as the umbrella organization what we're seeing is that when you talk about a movement

because all this emphasis during Obama was on Obama and D.C., what they then began to realize was, oh, dang, wait a minute. If you really want to affect mass incarceration, you actually got to come back local to select new DAs. Oh, wait a minute. There are 2.3 million people who are in federal prison, only 10 percent of them on federal level. So that means that the other 2 million are actually in local and state jails. And so what they begin to realize is you have these local entities who

also needed access to national fundraising infrastructure. And so where they've been struggling and meeting, and as we've been discussing, is how do you put the building blocks in place so when somebody gets burned out and leaves the whole the whole thing doesn't leave that they simply leave but the entity is still

there and that's where in the discussions that i've had and also been working with a lot of these young folks is you know what i criticize that but I also got to respect the infrastructure because put in place to still be here. If I'm if I'm not here, I think that's right. But here's the thing. We both have worked with these young people. I've worked with them for, you know, over a decade. Help help them build organizations. I think if you look at something like the Movement for Black Lives that has over 150 organizations tied to it, I think to say that they haven't been paying attention to infrastructure to me is probably the wrong thing. I'm not saying they haven't. I'm saying they have.

But they realize the shortcomings. They realize the initial shortcomings of not really having the grounding of the infrastructure. That's what I mean. Right. But I think I think they have an infrastructure. But I think now they're pivoting back towards electoral work. I think in 2016, people were still in the streets. People, you know, I've interviewed lots of young people, done studies on young black people. And while they are very proud to have lived through the Obama years, they don't feel necessarily like that presidency transformed or significantly

impacted black communities at a material level. Right. So I think now in 2020, they're paying attention and working around electoral issues. But let's let's be clear. In 2016, Kim Fox was elected as the state prosecutor. She is a progressive prosecutor. And the reason she was elected in part was because of BYP 100, a local black, well, it's not local, a national black youth organization with radical and imaginative politics. So I want to be clear that part of the reason that we know the statistics about mass incarceration, that we have an abolitionist framework, that people are in fact electing progressive, if there is such a thing, progressive prosecutors, is because of young people who kind of helped us embrace that language, who built that infrastructure, who kind of sold that message and said, this is a different vision of the work we

have to do around mass incarceration. So all of that is to say is that in 2020, I think we have the potential to see them have an important impact on this election. Right. But here's the other concern. The other concern is that we now see all of these young people who support Sanders, but Sanders is not going to be the nominee of the Democratic Party. So what will happen to young people in terms of turning out in 2020 in November? And the argument that I keep making to those very people is that there's no such thing as a perfect candidate. Candidates have to win. And here's the deal.

If you don't turn out in mass numbers, your candidate is guaranteed not to win. And so when I look at all the numbers in this survey you're talking about here, the reality is, and I remember having this conversation, again, in 2016, you're right, it was a young sister at my radio show show and she called in and she was like, you know, I just

can't, I'm not going to vote for Hillary and I'm not voting for Trump, so I'm just going to ignore national politics and just focus on my state. I said, really? I said, okay. I said, what are your top four issues in your state? She's in North Carolina. Of her top four issues, every single one of her issues

traced directly to who was also in the White House. And as I'm walking this thing through, she went, okay, I had no idea. I said, right, this is what connecting the dots is important. I said, you can't divorce yourself

from what's happening nationally, and by saying I'm only focused on my state without realizing how they're tied. And to all these things that you, that, that, that you just read off and I just read off what I've been saying for years. And again, as somebody whose parents who were in their twenties and thirties work without civic club and work campaigns and went door to door and made they five children do the exact same thing. I grew up with two parents who never went to college, but who understood that if we want new lights,

new sewer system, new paved streets, a senior citizen center, a refurbished park, we're going to have to figure out, is that the city? Is it the county? Is it the state?

Who do we go to? And so it's the work. And so what we do with this show is saying, hey, I don't care what your age is. You can sit and say, I want all that. But you've got to make that thing happen. And politics, unfortunately, is the one thing that connects all of us and is the greatest way to actually make this change. But it don't happen if we don't register, and it don't happen if we don't vote,

and then it don't happen after the election. We then don't organize to then make them do what they said they were going to do. And if our person, in the case you mentioned Sanders, even if our person loses, we're still constituents. But here's, and I know you've got to go, but here's the issue. no no i ain't gotta go kath it's my show that's that's true go ahead um but if you're a young person a young african-american person and your vision is not just a street light but an economy that is fair and equitable so that your vision, what you want, is bigger than

what Joe Biden can ever promise you and definitely ever deliver. That, I think, is what we have to begin to struggle with, that young people are not rejecting politics. They might be rejecting the limited nature of what electoral politics can deliver. Now, there are many of us who would say, yep, we've been there, done that. You've got to kind of figure out how to kind of grab reform, not reforms, and build on that. But there is something, I would say, revolutionary and inspiring about young people who say, let's think about the systemic inequalities that structure black people's lives and figure out how do we attack that?

How do we understand COVID-19 and its disproportionate impact on black communities and believe that Trump or Biden can rectify that without some intention to, right? Systemic inequalities. And I think that's what you see in part with young people is an alien nation for the limited response of this state and capitalism. And they want to say something better has to be on the horizon. And that's not going to happen by voting for

my alderman. I live in Chicago, right? That's going to happen by refusing to partake in this and going to the streets and imagining something else. Now, we might not agree with that, but I think you have to respect and at least deal with it. Right, and the reason I will say I don't agree with it because I don't see it as either or. To me, it's and. And what

I also constantly state, and when we're talking about this here is, I think what happens is folks, like I was having this conversation the other day, this brother called me and he was like, hey, you know, I'm really thinking, man,

that you should really create this black digital network that has all of these different contributors. He's going on and on and on. And I was like, you done? I said, you can't do none of that unless you have one show that's successful. And you got to build from there.

And I think part of this issue is also that somebody could have this, I want to have this structural change of a system. But as Ella Baker said, when she said it's from the pew to the pulpit, not pulpit to pew, this thing ain't going to happen mass down to small. It actually goes from small up, but

the argument has to be to every single thing in this survey is, you ain't get none of that if you sitting on the couch right right uh i think that's true but and ella baker would say strong people don't need strong leaders right oh absolutely so that's right that's right so uh i think she would also say that means if you build a movement of strong people you don't have to be that invested or believe, in fact, that the only way to get these things is if you elect a Joe Biden. Now, we, you know,

I think young people can turn out. I think lots of people are going to turn out now after this pandemic. But the issue for me is never just the turnout. It is what happens in January and February and March. And how do we hold people accountable for what they come and promise our communities? And I think that's where an infrastructure built around the needs and the demands and the energy of young people can hold those people accountable. Even if they're black. I mean, look, I remember there were people who were saying, well, Roland, you weren't saying this. With Obama, I'm like, well, first of all, don't let me have to have receipts for your ass. I'm like, because if you

go back to January 2009, an article that I authored in Essence Magazine, and then even my own book where I said, look, ain't nothing magical is going to happen just because he's sitting in the Oval Office. We have to actually present the agenda.

And a lot of people criticize even Dr. Cornel West, although I think the problem is when he started mentioning inauguration tickets, that's where he screwed it up. And I told him that personally on the air. But the reality is the day before the inauguration,

I moderated a panel at Howard University. Spike Lee's group sponsored it. And where he said, he said, we're going to hold that brother accountable. The problem for a lot of us, if we are real honest, Kathy, a lot of us, when we see black,

I don't really want to say nothing. I don't really want to pray. They got lots on their plate. I kept saying, I think in the case of Obama, we were so enamored with him being the first, we forgot lots on their plate. Well, I kept saying, I think in the case of Obama, we were so enamored with him being the first, we forgot he was the 44th. That's exactly right. But I don't think young people

did. That's what I think. I know some who did. I think, well, some did, but remember that the movement for Black Lives, BLM, BYP, this all emerged in the second. I'm going to give you one, you may not

realize this, where I really got upset with some of them. So you might remember, when Scalia dies, and that was a reception, that was a meeting at the White House of the elders and the young activists. And so they were all in the meeting.

Talking about it was so Rashad Robinson, Brittany Packnett. It would be all, so all of them. So Scalia dies and you know, I, others have been pushing like, no, you need to appoint a black woman. So they had the meeting, it was the same day they had the reception, the Black History Month reception in the White House.

So we're waiting for the receptionist to start because they get along with the meeting. So I first see Wade Henderson. He comes out and I was like, yo, anybody in that meeting tell Obama to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court? Oh, no, he didn't want to answer. So then I ran to Melanie Campbell. She didn't want to answer. Then I ran

and I was like, hey. I said, hold up. I said, did I ask Rashad? He's like, no. Well, you know, Loretta Lynch was sitting right next to him. I said, I don't give a damn. I said, wait a minute. I said, you mean to tell me all of y'all were in a room with Obama and not now person said, Mr. President, we implore you to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. I said, damn, y'all can't sit in no meeting and say nothing and dance around the issue. But again, that's where we have to be willing

at the table to say it, even if a person we think might be on the list is sitting right next to them. I agree. All I'm saying. But I think we're more likely to have a young person who's less invested, who doesn't see their

career as tied to the administration. I think they're more likely to voice that concern, that position and to build from there. And so that's why we do the survey, because we want to hear the voices of young people, young black people, because I think they have a vision for what the future is going to be and what they're going to make the future. And we want to want to support their voices. Well, look, I've given this platform to those same voices. And I tell them the same thing.

I tell middle-aged black people and old black people and super old black people, ain't a damn thing going to change if you sitting on your behind and don't put in the work. Because you can't expect somebody else to put in some work that you are unwilling to do. Kathy, we appreciate it. We'll keep swinging.

Where can people go read about the survey, get more information? GenForwardSurvey.com. GenForwardSurvey.com. G-E-N-Forward, F-O-R-W-A-R-D-S-U-R-V-E-Y.com. That's for those of y'all who can't spell. All right, then. Kathy Cohen, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. All right, thank you. All right, go to my panel here. First, I want to go to Cleo.

Cleo, what do you think? I think that both of you in that system were right. I think, though, that, as I say all the time, and, hey, what can I say? Black people live in a hostile environment, and we need, because the environment is hostile, clear indication that somebody affirms us and has our back. When Obama ran for president, as you know, we never had such a high voting turnout record ever in history, at least in recent decades, because the implication was because he was black and because his wife was black,

that he was going to have our back. And we've seen him as somebody who was going to do something for us, not just for us. I don't think anybody was that delusional that that American president was going to work just for us, but that he might give us some black wings and do something during his term that affirms black people and that makes black people feel like he cares about us. But that didn't happen. And because that did not happen, a lot of black people are demoralized and have stepped out of the election process. One thing that we've talked about before, but not enough, is that black men have been completely ignored. And because it's a patriarchal culture and Barack Obama was a male,

black men were particularly focused on what's this brother going to do. And when Tamir Rice got killed anyway, when Michael Brown got killed anyway, when Trayvon Martin got killed anyway, and when black men kept being dying and dying and women like Sandra Bland, et cetera, were being murdered despite having a black president. And he was not actually addressing black issues in a meaningful way. Black people right now are very demoralized around the whole idea of supporting

a presidential candidate. But here's the deal. But I mean, it's not. I mean, let me just say this one more thing. It's not just about being on the couch. I completely understand what you're saying and agree with you when you say that. We have to vote. And then after we vote,

we have to hold whoever's in the presidency or whoever's in our local government accountable regardless. But we have to meaningfully address people, black people's emotional state and black people's perspectives or else we're going to lose them and they will stay on the couch. But here's the thing, Eugene. There is

nothing in this system. Nothing. There is nothing in this system. Nothing. There's nothing in this system. There's nothing in the history of black people where it's like, yo, I want this, this, this, but I ain't gonna put in the work to get it. That is my point right there.

You can say it ain't right. I wish it was something else. The system that we have right now is the system. And if you are not, but Eugene, if you're not, if you're not actively engaged in changing it and voting is a part of it, it ain't gonna happen. It's guaranteed not to happen.

Right, and I think- No, no, no, no, wait, no, no. Pam, Pam, Pam. Hold on. Eugene was talking. Eugene. Yeah, the thing is this, right? What people have to understand is that we don't have a strong man system.

We have a federal system, which means that you have a federal government and you have state governments. People, you know, we got Barack Obama elected and folks just stopped there, right? You know, they didn't come back and make sure that, hey, you protect the Congress. You get more governors elected. You maintain control of state legislatures. The thing is this. A lot of attention is put on the presidency, but a lot of things that affect our lives on a day-to-day basis,

things like, hey, policing, things like from just before, things like, hey, where your tax dollars are going, are directly related to what happens at the state and local level. Our generation, you know, there's no reason why, you know, our folk aren't, you know, getting, one, getting folk elected, putting an agenda forward, and following through on it. Pam, go ahead. Yeah, I mean I think one of the things that's sort of missing in all this discussion is the juxtaposition between things that change at lightning speed, like technology and court mores, and things that don't change at lightning speed. I mean, my parents' generation was used to, you know, 30 years before something changes. Their parents' generation was used to something 60 years before it changes. My generation is like, oh, it's going to be 20 years.

And, you know, Gen Z is like, okay, I expect it in the next three months because that's the speed with which change happens around them, and they can't contextualize why making an argument that universal basic income or Medicare for all, clearly morally more sound, would make more economic sense in a lot of ways. They just can't understand the institutional blockades to that, and so they become much more quickly frustrated and willing to pull back and just say, well, screw it. I'm going to take my toys and go home. And here's the thing that they don't understand is that my grandmother, your grandmother, probably had to vote for people who were horrible just to keep out people who were 10 times worse from power.

It's not like my grandmother was from Kansas City, Missouri. It's not like she didn't have to show up at the polls and vote for racists and vote for sexists and vote for people she didn't like. But she had to because the alternative was even worse for her and her people. And that is a notion that for some reason we cannot penetrate in younger people, the notion that there is something far more dangerous to them and what they want and what they want to accomplish than the person that they feel is a disappointment. Joe Biden may be a disappointment for a lot of young people, but they are literally incapable of processing at times, not everybody and not all the time, but at times

they are so resentful of having to give their power or their vote to a Joe Biden they don't like that they're not even contemplating that by doing so, they're taking power from the monster who is sitting in the White House right now. Well, the thing

again, to me, I keep this thing as very basic and as fundamental as possible. Let me know when Malcolm Nash is there. For me, I keep this thing as very basic and as fundamental as possible. Let me know when Malcolm Nash is there. For me, this is very basic and fundamental, and that is this here. If there is something I want, I have to be willing to do something to get it.

What I can't do, what I can't do is want something and then go, okay, I need somebody else to get out there and make it happen. It's not going to happen. What I also understand is this here, and this is just for me when it comes to young people, is the exact same thing I've said about Latinos. You can say, you can tout your demographic numbers, but your demographic numbers mean nothing if you're not taking your demographic numbers and then making it real in terms of electoral politics. And so, if you say, oh, these are our numbers, but if you're in Texas and you

have two million eligible but unregistered Latinos in Texas alone, your power is on the sidelines. And so you actually can have more power and get more things done if you use, if you actually plug. If I got to go, as Joe Madison said, you got to put it where the ghost can get it. I can't talk about the room is dark if there's a light in the room and it ain't plugged in. If I'm complaining that the room is dark and there's a lamp sitting right there, all I got to do is plug that damn lamp in and now the room is not dark. You cannot allow your power to remain unplugged. And so all I'm saying when it comes to this survey is to any person who was 18 to 35, you have to be engaged in this process. Otherwise, it ain't going to happen. All right, folks, I got to go to my next guest.

China has not necessarily been straightforward with us. No shock. No. Is Malcolm next there? Malcolm, I'm here. OK. China's not been straightforward with us. It's hilarious to sit there and watch Trump get get questioned on this when he was the one tweeting about, oh, the transparency of the Chinese leader and how great they have been. But the reality is here. I mean, Malcolm, the Chinese cannot be as straightforward as possible on their numbers. We got a battle to fight amongst ourselves as opposed to worrying about what in the hell their numbers are. We have our own issues going on in this world right now.

And this is part of the problem that we're having with coronavirus is that Donald Trump at first ignored the Central Intelligence Agency's assessments that the Chinese had been holding down this virus and that it was going to break out into an epidemic, if not a global pandemic. That assessment was sent on January 3rd.

The Chinese do this. We know it's the nature of their authoritarian regime. Yeah, they lie. They're communists. I mean, I love this here. Oh,. Yeah, they lie. They're communists. They're going to lie. I mean, I love this here. Oh, my God. They lie.

Shocking. Yeah, but, you know, Donald Trump always tries to play it both ways, right? He wants to suck up to President Xi so that he can be a power player in that world and keep the market stable, but at the same time come out and use racist terms. Look, I didn't have a problem when they cut off air travel from China as part of the initial steps to combat coronavirus. That was fine. It was the hypocrisy of letting 430,000 people fly in from China during the next month while saying on television that you have an

actual air ban, which in fact wasn't. He actually allowed 40,000 American citizens to come back, many of whom were infected and provided the initial vectors of this virus out of Washington State, New York City, Washington, D.C., and other places. Donald Trump uses China as a foil because he understands it's for the consumption of his base, who in their cult-like way don't particularly care or think about anything from minute to minute, so that if Donald Trump says that China is bad, then China is bad that minute. If he says, oh, President Xi, we talk and get along very well, like he did on 25 January, while this epidemic in China was burning like wildfire, it shows Donald Trump is incapable of doing anything which is even fundamentally honest and, of course,

works in the interest of the United States. And of course, now we're dealing with them firing a Navy commander because he complained about his sailors being sick. That commander is now tested positive for coronavirus. And then you got the acting secretary of the Navy who was a complete idiot. Acting. Who trashes this dude. And I'm sorry, this is somebody who, oh, all he was caring about

was whether or not his family was going to live or die. Let me tell you, I am incensed over this issue. The last time I was this hot was when Donald Trump pardoned a war criminal and reinstated him back in the Navy at my rank, which is, you know, the Navy chiefs, which is a very, very honorable rank. It's very hard to get to. This guy had been stripped of that rank, then gave him back his trident so that he could retire with full honors and get his full benefits after

being convicted in a military court-martial of several things while accused of war crimes by his own team members. I was pretty hot at that time. I want to put this in context for your audience, for those of you who don't know. The Nance family started their service in the armed forces in 1864 when two brothers ran away from northern Alabama and joined the 111 U.S. color troops. One of them, William Henry Nance, then left and joined the U.S. Navy to be a riverine warfare crewman in the Tennessee River Valley. There has been a Nance in the armed forces every since, every day since then, right up to my niece who is in the Navy now, who was in combat off of Yemen last year.

I am a Navy senior chief. My dad was a Navy master chief. My brother was a Navy senior chief. And four other brothers were in the Navy, okay? We take the honor and service in the Naval service very, very seriously. This man, the acting secretary of the Navy who got the job because the original secretary of the Navy had some honor and was resigned, then fired by Donald Trump because he couldn't, in good conscience, put a war criminal back into his job. This is the man that took over. And his problem is he executed Donald Trump's hit

on a captain who was looking out for 4,000 men and women who were about to be overcome by coronavirus on a vessel which was at sea. In the old days, they would just leave you at sea for 40 days and, you know, let pestilence or smallpox or the plague go through your ship and let the people die. We don't do that anymore. But Donald Trump's response to this letter from the captain was to get him fired. And then once he was fired, when the crew showed their love for him by turning out thousands of them to see his departure there, who, by the way, was a former very junior lieutenant who flew helicopters for a couple of years, then went to Wall Street, then became one of Donald Trump's biggest donors. This man went there to chew the crew out, well, not really, but to disparage the beloved captain, to tell him that he had betrayed him as secretary of the Navy personally and that he was fired for good order and discipline and for disobeying or embarrassing the Navy.

This is the man who was there during the reinstatement and re-honoring of a war criminal. So I don't want to hear this from Donald Trump, that this was done because it embarrassed the Navy and that it impacted good order and discipline. We are in a corrupt administration, and every one of these people are corrupt. This guy must resign. He shouldn't be in that job.

It's just disgraceful. Couldn't say it better than that, folks. Malcolm Nance is the author of the book, The Plot to Betray America. If you don't have your copy, you want to get it because all this stuff has gone down. Well, he actually called it before it actually happened. So you might want to pay attention. Malcolm Nesbitt, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. My pleasure. All right, folks, we're talking about how to keep

you healthy as we're all staying at home. We've got people who are eating all day, sleeping all day. A lot of us have no idea what day it is, what's going on. In fact, some people are like, well, today's Monday? He thought it was Wednesday or Thursday.

So it's all been thrown off. So my man, Cootie Mac, a fitness philosopher at Be Your Best Daily, he joins us right now to help us out with some questions to my panel. Y'all get ready for some of your questions. I know y'all at home, just like me, trying to figure out how can you not walk into the kitchen. Cootie Mac, what up?

Hey, what's happening, man? How are you? All right, man, this is real stressful for a whole bunch of people because, again, your whole schedule has been totally disrupted. Yes. I mean, absolutely. And, you know, first of all, it's great to be back in the saddle. Great to see you. It's unfortunate the circumstance that we find ourselves seeing each other is that we're in this pandemic, like you said.

And everybody's been all disrupted. And some people have been directly impacted. I have friends that actually are COVID positive. So praying for them. But for the rest of us, we've got to figure out how to sort ourselves within the midst of this unprecedented change. And we've got to make sure that we attack the day with the proper philosophies. We've got to make sure that we are fueling ourselves properly. And we've got to make sure that we attack the day with the proper philosophies we got to make sure that we are fueling ourselves properly and we got to make sure that we're doing the things keep ourselves fit so all right so so where do we start i mean because i mean look i

i i gained weight i've lost weight i gained a couple back now we're trying to lose it again you sort of have these fluctuations because frankly your whole routine i mean you first of all if you're going into work, whenever you typically are moving more, you're sheltered in place, you're really more sedentary. And so your whole being changes now. That is true. That is true. So the first thing I recommend for everybody to do is just, again,

adopt the philosophy for the day. Whether if you're spiritual, religious, pray. If you just want to meditate, you can go on YouTube and find a five-minute meditation. Just succumb yourself to that five minutes or just simply breathe, but start the day off intentionally with the intention that you're going to do your best to be your best. From there, it's going to be about how you fuel yourself. Because giving yourself the proper food, giving yourself some hydration, at the very least. I mean, for some people, drinking

water is a revolutionary concept as far as it being a primary beverage. But drink some water, find a fruit, find a vegetable if you're not someone who's into that. I know, like, with you, last time I saw you, apples were the things that we were adopting. No, that's it. Look, I ain't, look, I saw you, apples were the things that we were adopting. No, that's it.

Look, I do apples. I do grapes. I do strawberries. But I'm just saying. But part of that also, again, is you have to force the routine because the reality is you're not used to being at home 24 hours. Exactly. So one thing you can do is break the day up into maybe two to three hour segments where you say, OK, I'm going to look at what I'm going to do for the next three hours. I'm going to make sure that I accomplish something that I need to get accomplished in terms of a task, whether it's work or for your kids. They're studying or even something around the house that just been dying to get done, like the lawn or reorganization.

Then give yourself 30 minutes to move around, do some exercises, and we can talk about that in a minute. And then make sure you're eating something that will help feed you and pay you back, not junk food. So in terms of going shopping, you want to make sure, again, if it's only one food and one vegetable, buy those in abundance. But like you just said, last time I saw you, it was just an apple. Now we're talking apples, grapes, strawberries. That's awesome.

Get some food that actually helps you throughout the day. All right. So first of all, let's go to my panel, Eugene. You got now, Eugene, how are you dealing with this, being diabetic? What kind of questions do you have for Kuti Mac? Actually, my question was going to be, you know, what foods actually could help, you know, keep the metabolism boosted? For me, you know, I'm still doing everything I was doing before the quarantine.

You know, I largely work from home. I have a home office. So it kind of hasn't been too dramatic of a lifestyle change. But my one question would be, you know, if I were to add anything... Like what to add to boost metabolism. All right, Kudimak, go ahead.

What to add to boost metabolism? So, and you're diabetic, correct? Yep, he is. Yeah. Okay, so what you want to do is uh if you don't already eat apples as a habit apples are a good fruit because although they have technically high sugar they have so much fiber that your body's glycemic index doesn't really fluctuate with it i stay away from some of the favorite fruits that people like damn i'm glad you said that i was just

arguing with somebody about that. He was like, man, why sugar and apples? I was like, okay, you know there's fiber as well. It kills me, all these people, man. No fiber, like grapes, pineapples, mangoes. Those are the ones you want to stay away from. So you want to stay away from what? So pineapples, grapes, mangoes.

You know, fruits that we like, but those are not as great for diabetics. But if you're talking apples, if you're talking melons, if you're talking berries, that's more along the spectrum that you want to be dealing with. So watermelon? Watermelon's great. Cantaloupe, melon. Cantaloupe is

awesome. Alright, cool. Alright, Cleo, what's your question? Well, this brother taught me a lot when I last saw him in terms of what to eat and how to reduce sugar and eat food that had living enzymes, blah, blah, blah. So I've been following his methods, and I've been doing pretty well.

My concern now is basically having to be home so much is, my schedule is very, very busy and I was very active and walking and doing things, which is why I stay in decent shape. But now, I saw some toffee almond chocolate. It looked real good because of the relative

complacency my body is in and I don't have enough experiences to make me actively do what I know what I need to do. See, that was the problem. First of all... I intellectually know what to do. If it's not in your...

It's about keeping the emotions and the intellects in synthesis. If it wasn't in your house, you wouldn't see it. Kudimak, go ahead. Ron made a great point. Try to get that stuff out of the house. But even with that, what you want to do is... Like, you're talking about emotion and intellect, but the will really starts biologically. If your body has what it needs to start, then you won't need to supplement it with sugar or anything else.

So that's why it's crucial, like I said, to start the day off intentionally with nutrition. Protein is a good way to start if you don't have an aversion to dairy something like two percent greek yogurt um snacks like nuts and seeds peanut butter that's whole peanut butter when you eat stuff like that protein takes long to digest so therefore protein burns in your metabolism longer it takes long to metabolize rather and because of that you won't feel as hungry and worst case scenario take a break and just go for a walk. Put your mask on, be safe, but go for a walk. And that will also help you as well.

All right, Pam, question. What you just described is how I eat. Okay. The only thing I want to mention is having to be more intentional, as you said, because being relatively bored compared to a previously go for broke schedule, it can make you want to be less bored and buy some almond toffee chocolate. Right. So that's the whole thing.

And Roland was correct. If it's not in your house. Correct. A lot of people will eat out of boredom. And what I need you to do is eat healthy with intention on the outset. Attack it. Be on the offensive with your nutrition and that will help you that will help you avoid the temptation of sugar you're right thank you all right kudimak um final comments

final comments so like i said attack the day with a proper philosophy. Make sure that you check out my Friday finishers on Instagram, at Kuti Mac, K-U-T-I-M-A-C-K. I've got a bunch of exercises, especially since the pandemic has hit, that don't require any equipment, that anybody of any fitness level can do. There's modifications, and I've got you. You can hit me, bybdfitness.com. I've got plenty of information like this and more,

and I'm here to help you. I want you to get through this pandemic safely. All right, then. Kudamek, man, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Man, it's good to be back. Good to see you. See you next time. All right, we'll do it again. All right, folks. Here's the deal here. So we're on social media last week, and I saw this amazing

story. And so folks were cooped up in the house, if you will, and these two gents, they are roommates. And you know what? They were just in the band. They wanted to help the people. So they literally walked around their neighborhood in St. Louis.

And one of the neighbors shot this video. That was pretty cool there. Go to my iPad, please. This Dominique Burton is the brother who is on the left. Dominique, he's a graduate of Prairie View A&M University, was in the band there at Prairie View. Benjamin Cosberg is on the right. That's his roommate. And so you can go back.

That's what they did. The St. Louis newspaper did a story on them, and they said that, look, they were just tired of being in the house cooped up, and they wanted to bring some joy, and they literally, folks, just walked all around their neighborhood playing different music,

playing second-line music, just trading in for instruments. One played the trombone, one played the tuba, then they switched. And so they said they couldn't go a long way because that tuba was a wee bit heavy. Also, folks, this video here was posted, the singer Tony Terry. And so

Tony was out with his wife and they were walking, practicing safe distancing. They looked up and all of a sudden they see a couple getting married. And the only people who were there was the person who was officiating the service and the couple who got married. And so Tony Terry said, let me go ahead and bless them with their first dance. Watch this. The sun shines in my way Maybe our love reflects its rays of light On everyone when I'm with you It's for real What I feel When I'm with you.

Congratulations, y'all. Thank you. Congratulations. My name is Tony Terry. God bless you guys. Thank you. Bye-bye. Enjoy.

Ah, it's pretty cool. Can you imagine that couple getting home and hitting Google going, oh, my God, that's who actually sang at our wedding? And so think about it. They got Tony Terry to sing with you for free at their wedding. So we certainly appreciate those great stories. For Pam had to go. Cleo, thanks a bunch.

Eugene, thanks a bunch for being on the show. Hey, folks, don't forget again. I want y'all to push out the hashtag. Hashtag Easter at home. Hashtag Resurrection Sunday at home. If your mama, your daddy, your grandparents, your aunt and uncle, your cousins, if they are hell-bent on trying to go to church,

tell them hell no, y'all gonna stay at home. We cannot have these black preachers and these black churches having church service this week. I know this is Holy Week. My wife is an ordained minister. I'm a Christian author. I love Jesus as well, but I'm trying to tell y'all ain't none of us named Lazarus.

And if we die from the coronavirus, Jesus is not going to blow breath into our bodies and we come back to life. So, look, protect yourself. Be safe. Don't chance it. Listen to the health experts.

You can go church online. Look, the Lord, you can talk directly to Him. You can do praise and worship. You can do all this sort of stuff. Yesterday, I had a two-and-a-half-hour praise session on Instagram Live and Facebook. Ain't nothing wrong with that, but we got to make sure our people are safe

because we keep looking at these numbers. And folks, black people are disproportionately dying. Chicago, in Michigan, in Alabama, in Mississippi, in Georgia, in Louisiana. Yo, we got to have some common sense, all right?

So, I'll see you guys tomorrow. I was going to play it today. The movie Sinners Wanted was on TV One yesterday. I totally forgot it was on and I actually had a role in that movie. So, I'm going to play a video. It's on my Instagram page and my YouTube channel. But I'm going to play it to y'all for tomorrow.

Some behind the scenes video we shot while we were doing the movie. So, certainly congratulations to the Jenkins Brothers for that movie. And all of y'all who watched it, I think it re-airs this movie. So certainly congratulations to the Jenkins brothers for that movie. And all of y'all who watched it, I think it re-airs this Saturday. So just check TV One listings if you missed the movie. All right, folks, I gotta go. Be safe and listen to the doctors.

Get your mask. Y'all see I'm good. I had to, you know, look, I call this coronavirus swagger. You know, I gotta look good with my mask. So, you know, look, I call this a coronavirus swagger. You know, I got to look good with my mask. So, you know, I can't look crazy. And so I will see y'all tomorrow. Holla!

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