#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 5.15.19 RMU: AL's near-total abortion ban; Black coaches NCAA trial patsies; Cops profile Black dad

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5.15.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Alabama Senate approves near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest; Were Black coaches scapegoats in the NCAA recruiting trials? Cops racially profile a Black dad in front of his own home while he was playing with his children; Westboro Baptist Church is planning protests at Spelman College, Morehouse College, and Clark Atlanta University + Dr. Alyn Waller breaks down what it means to be a moral man Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find out more at fatherhood.gov. Brought to you by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Ad Council. Hey, y'all. Coming up, I'm Roland Martin Unfiltered for Wednesday, May 15, 2019. All kinds of drama in Alabama. They're poised to pass the most restrictive abortion ban in the country. The Republican-controlled and male-dominated legislature voted to make abortion illegal in all cases. Unless the mother's life is in danger, you could get in prison up to 99 years.

We'll talk about that with one of the state officials who was against it. The real culprits of the NCAA recruiting trials get a pass while black assistant coaches took the fall. We'll discuss that as well. And his name wasn't even Quentin. A case of mistaken identity in Texas gets ugly when police racially profile a man in his own front yard.

The nuts from Westboro Baptist Church plan to protest at Spelman, Morehouse, and Quarkalana University. The church is identified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and monitored by the FBI. Plus, what it means to be a moral man. We'll talk with the author of a new book on that subject.

And I got a crazy ass white woman who's running for mayor of Denver. She don't even know what the hell the NAACP stand for. Wait until I show y'all this video. It's time to bring the funk. I'm Roland Martin on the filter, let's go. He's got it. Whatever the piss, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the filter. Let's rolling. It's Uncle Roro, y'all.

It's Rolling Martin. Rolling with rolling now. He's funky, fresh, he's real, the best, you know he's Rolling Martin. Now. All right, folks, Alabama being Alabama, with a Senate approved a measure late on Tuesday

that would outlaw almost all abortions in the state, setting up a direct challenge to Roe v. Wade, the case that recognized a woman's constitutional right to end a pregnancy. It was by design the person who crafted the bill said that was exactly what he wanted. Republicans, conservatives, white conservative evangelicals have been pining for years for the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade. Now, with five Supreme Court justices who are conservative, they believe that this is the moment.

This measure, only three women had a vote in the legislature. On the Republican side, there are no women at all in the legislature. Here is Senator Vivian Figures, who is questioning Senator Clyde Chambliss about this bill. Lord, listen to this white man not be able to answer a question. All right, we got some issues with the audio. So, guys, please let me know once we have that fixed, because I would love for y'all to hear her questioning Chambliss.

Actually, it was a trip, because here you got a man who cannot answer the question at all. And even there was a late moment where they tried to actually have an addendum to say in the cape of rape or incest to allow a woman to have an abortion. In Alabama, they said no. They actually said no. That's what you're dealing with, folks, in the state of Alabama. Here, go to my iPad, please. Say aye. Any opposed? Motion please. No, no, no. Motion passes committee amendment is table.

Mr. That was no motion. That was no motion. It was a motion. He made a motion. He didn't even make a motion. Mr. President.

Now folks, this was last week. That video was from last week when they were trying to actually, uh, push this thing through. Uh, and that was in a committee hearing where they didn't even want any debate whatsoever. That's what they actually tried to do last week. But this week they've actually moved forward and passed it. Do we have the video now where the audio is fixed? Okay, so we're still having audio issues. And so let me see if I can find what Vivian had to say give me a second here I want to bring in our panel right here first and foremost to talk

about this here first of all let me explain to you at the bill bans abortion at every stage of pregnancy and criminalizes the procedure for doctors who could be charged with felonies and face up to 99 years in prison it includes an exception for cases when the mother's life is at serious risk, but not for cases of rape or incest. It now moves to the desk of Republican Governor Kay Ivey. The question is, will she actually sign it? Joining us right now, A. Scott Bolden,

former chair, National Bar Association Political Action Committee, Julian Malveaux, economist, president, emeritus, Bennett College, Dr. Jason Nichols, African American Studies, University of Maryland. Julian, when you look at this, I mean, again, white conservatives have been desperately wanting the Supreme Court to outlaw Roe v. Wade. This bill, the one in Ohio, the one in Georgia, they're passing it all across the state, all across the country, because they want the Supreme Court to rule because they think by having Gorsuch, by having Kavanaugh, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas,

that they now can overturn Roe v. Wade. Well, first of all, Roberts is a very conservative jurist, conservative from the perspective that he's not going to overturn. I don't think he will overturn Roe v. Wade. Remember, he is the jurist who sided with Obamacare. He moves slowly on things. I think that... Well, for him all of a sudden to come to swing vote is scary, but go ahead.

It is very scary, but he is the swing vote. And the other thing, I mean, protest theater had high art when those women went just like the handmaid's tale, with the red on and, you know, it really does speak to this. What these folks are trying to do is control the means of production, and the means of production in terms of population are women. The other thing that we must think about is that these are the same states that have the low the highest poverty rates so if you're so interested in having children come here how come you're not interested in having food stamps at medicare and all the things that

children need to thrive these people are hypocrites and they're crazy but they have a strategy hold on one second it looks like we have the video fixed so Let's go ahead. I'm going to show you what the senator had to say as this was being debated on the floor of the Alabama Senate. Do you know what it's like to be raped? No, ma'am, I don't. Do you know what it's like to have a relative commit incest on you? On me? No, ma'am. Yes, on you. Okay. So that's one of those traumas that a person experiences, just like that child experienced. had such a traumatic act committed against them, to be left with the residue of that person, if you

will, to have to bring that child into this world and be reminded of that every single day. Some people can do that. You know, some people can, but some can't. Sure. So, but why would you not want a woman to at least have that exception for such a horrific act? Because I believe that when that unborn child becomes a person, and we need legal guidance on when that is. But that's not your business. That is not your business. You don't have to raise that child.

You don't have to carry that child. You don't have to provide for that child. You don't have to do anything for that child. But yet, you want to make the decision for that woman that that's what she has to do anything for that child, but yet you want to make the decision for that woman that that's what she has to do. I want to make the decision for that child. Well Senator, you know there is no law in this country on the books that says what a man can or cannot do with his body.

Did you know that? And it's really amazing that when you talk about abortion that means somebody is pregnant. But guess how that woman got pregnant? By a man. She can't get pregnant any other way. All right, Scott, again, when you listen to that, when you listen to all of these white men standing in the Alabama Senate... There were many. They were all white. They were all white.

And to her point, look, it's not like they're advancing a bill to say let's have statewide bisectomies in Alabama. Not at all. God forbid that. Controlling or making a decision on a man's body. Whew. Let me say this.

They don't even... Republicans always... Another great hypocrisy of the Republicans is they want all these children to be born rightfully or wrongfully. And then when they get here, those red states who get more government entitlement than anybody else, then they complain about government entitlement. They want to cut the government entitlement to the children that they're forcing these women to have. I mean, it's hypocrisy. But the other thing is this. You're right about getting to the Supreme Court, but in the 11th Circuit, I think we're in the 11th

Circuit, you got to go, somebody's going to file a lawsuit, and then it's got to go to the 11th Circuit, and then it's got to go to the Supreme Court. It may not make it there, despite the number of conservatives that are in these lower courts, but watch what happens at the Supreme Court. They want the denouement. They want the showdown, if you will. This law is as restrictive as the pre-Wade laws were in the 40s, 50s, and part of the 60s. And so they're going to get their showdown,

whoever the president is. This is why the election in 2020 becomes even more important because you had these Supreme Court justices who may or may not still be there, but only 15 percent, Roland, 15 percent roughly of America believes that we need the abortion laws changed in this country. The other Republican and Democrats think they're just fine or they need to be even less restricted. But Jason, the reality is it doesn't matter. Republicans don't care about that polling data.

They want this law overturned. The reason they were so supportive of Donald Trump, two things. Well, actually, three things. They want Roe v. Wade overturned. They want same-sex marriage overturned. And they want most civil rights laws overturned. Absolutely. And I would actually add a little bit to what Julian said,

and that is that Alabama is number two in the nation in infant mortality. So if you're concerned with the lives of children, you know, why not the children that are actually born that are dying in your state, almost nine out of every thousand live births. So obviously that's not really the concern here. It is about, as Scott said, it is about controlling women's bodies, making decisions for them. And I would also say that this also, you know, it's all a windfall from, you know, voter suppression. We know that a third of the African-American men in the state of Alabama cannot vote due to a felony conviction. You know, you have all these issues

with trying to keep black people from voting. And we know that black people, I think, would be on the front lines. You think the abortion bill is about keeping black people from voting? No. By making them have all these babies. No, no, no.

I like it, kind of. Actually, hold on, hold on, hold on. I want to go to Senator Linda Coleman-Madison, who joins us via FaceTime. Senator Coleman-Madison, how are you doing? I'm doing great. So what was it like to stand there on the floor and you're listening to all these men

talk about this issue to what Jason just said, Alabama's number two in the nation with infant mortality. They don't want to address that. They don is number two in the nation with infant mortality, they don't want to address that. You don't want to address the health care in Alabama. Don't want to address the economics in Alabama,

but they want to spend this amount of time on this issue. We spent a lot of time on this issue. It comes up every year. I've been in the Senate for 17 years and almost every year the same issue comes up for several years. This every year the same issue comes up. For several years, this bill was sponsored by the males

in the Senate and you get tired of fighting the same battle. But if people look at, and I've just received a note that the governor has just signed the bill. It's a sad state. That is a sad state of affairs for the state of Alabama. And it says a lot to the whole world how far we have come and yet how far that we have taken a back step by this one act of redefining the rights of women, defining and eliminating choices for for women uh not only this generation but future generations so it's just sad you have a majority held uh um legislature held by men that are making

decisions that uh govern the bodies of women and their health and welfare um when when we played the video of one of your colleagues challenging one of the male Republicans saying, have you ever been raped? And why should the person carry that baby? And for him to say, I care about the baby. That's just cut to the chase. You know doggone well. If somebody black or somebody Hispanic

raped one of their daughters... Oh! No, I'm gonna go there. You went there? Ain't no way in hell. about a Hispanic? Raped? One of they daughters? All right. No, I'm gonna go there. Ain't no way in hell. Ain't no way they're saying, oh, yeah, we gonna love this child, we gonna have a baby. That's nonsense. We having that black baby. Senator, go ahead.

You're absolutely right, and that's the point that I was making. You can't tell me that you are making these laws. If this happened to your wife, your child, your mother, you're going to pass a law and say that it's okay. We're going to love this child. We're going to keep it. You're going to have to have it because the law that you passed now

that you have placed and forced upon everyone else, you've got the means and the wherewithal and the connection to go to another state and get an abortion this has been this is history repeating itself um obviously they want the supreme court to rule on this the sponsor said that's why he even pushed the bill absolutely absolutely the house sponsor it really isn't about uh the life of the baby or the sanctioned sensitive life it's about reversing roe v wade that's what they said they understood this bill is unconstitutional that is not the issue with them they want to be the one to get to the top of the hill plant plant that flag and said it was Alabama

that caused the reversal of Roe v. Wade. Last question for you. I was watching the discussion on The View and Meghan McCain was talking about how she is artfully pro-life and Sonny Hostin was talking about her being raised Catholic, also being an attorney. And she says, well, the Catholic Church, Meghan goes, well, the Catholic Church is absolutely pro-life. And she says, yeah, but they're also pro-gun control and they're also anti-death penalty. So that's what amazes me when I listen to these people who say that they're so pro-life, but they are some of the biggest supporters of the death penalty. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I'm pro-life, but quite frankly, my rights stop where yours began. And although I have my own convictions, I would not demand or force my feelings, my convictions, my beliefs, my religion on anyone else. I will tell you about it and give you that choice. I think all women should have that choice. This bill was not necessary, number one, because if a woman wants to have the child, she has that choice to have it now. But I don't think that you have the right to force me to have one when I choose not to. So what you've done is injected your own faith or beliefs or whatever on me. I have no choice.

You have taken away my voice. Senator Linda Coleman-Madison, we truly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Final round discussion here before we go to my next story. Again, what is interesting to me

is when I see this whole conversation, they don't want to have a discussion about the economics of how much women make in that state. They don't want to have a conversation about rural hospitals shutting down in Alabama. They don't want to have a conversation about high cancer rates and things along those lines. And so my deal is if y'all wanna have a medical conversation, if you wanna have a conversation about high cancer rates and things along those lines and so my deal is if y'all

want to have a medical conversation if you want to have a health care conversation let's have it but to somehow say let's narrow this thing just to abortion it shows that they don't want to deal with these other issues precisely well my line is look if you don't like abortion don't have one i don't know how many uh the orange man has paid for. So just saying. But more importantly, this is a tax on poor women. This is an imposition on poor women. Any person with means, you've got a grand, you can go to the next state,

you can come up north, you can go. People used to have to go to Mexico. But women who are unlimited incomes or making the minimum wage, they don't have those kind of dollars. And basically they will making the minimum wage, they don't have those those kind of dollars. And basically they will end up with children that they don't want. Now, let's not jump the gun. This is going to be appealed. They want to go to the Supreme Court is going to be appealed. It won't go into effect immediately.

But this is something of great concern, especially for poor women and most many poor women, a disproportionate number of poor women of color. So this is really, you know, a black tax. And again for me, Scott, okay, so again, if we want to have a discussion about abortion and have a discussion about the issue of life, okay, we're going to talk about resources. We're going to talk about Head Start. We're going to talk about all those things, and that to me is what they don't, they never want to deal with. Because they can't win that debate.

They can't win that discussion. And so therefore they avoid it. Look what the GOP does in the House and Senate over the last two years. They just don't debate it. They just don't want to import their will on it. This is a rallying cry. Look for coalitions of civil rights and human rights groups, women groups, and others to coalesce around this issue now and make the push against the courts upholding this clearly illegal law. The precedent on this, they've got to honor. The courts do.

And so if the courts strike it down, the appeal process will run its course, and it'll run to the Supreme Court. And the coalitions have got to have the best and the brightest and the largest push against what promises to be a big GOP push for this same debate. The fight's going to end and begin, the real fight, at the Supreme Court. And so we ought to stay tuned for that. And, Jason, before I hear me, go to my iPad, please. In fact, Alabama is number one in the country for infant mortality. Number one. Go ahead.

So where are they for entitlements? I wish you'd pull that up. They're one of the top entitlements. And poverty. Go ahead. Where are they with poverty? I'll just say you look at places like Uniontown, Alabama, where they have terrible environmental racism that is

actually claiming lives of not only young people, but older people and other people. If you're concerned with life, and not only that, but we look at, when we're looking at these laws, I don't think anybody would call themselves pro-abortion. But when you look at these laws, they're actually going to create a black market and put a lot of people in danger. So I don't think people are going to drive to Mexico. I think what they're going to do is somebody is going to do some dangerous process in their house, which is going to put a lot of women in danger. You're going to have people who are dying because of this even more.

But the people in Alabama, the people at the top, the Republicans, they don't care about who dies and who lives, particularly when it comes to women. All right, then. And so, folks, we will see exactly what happens. And this is, go to my iPad, please. This is the governor of Alabama signing that law. And she said, today I sign into law the Alabama Human Life Protection Act. To the bill's many supporters, this legislation stands as a powerful testament

to Alabamians' deeply held belief that every life is precious and that every life is a sacred gift from God. But like I said, they support the death penalty. So what she said is a flat-out lie. All right, folks, let's talk about some sports here. We've been following the case of this federal government. They've been going after these assistant coaches in basketball for accepting bribes.

And so there have been 10 arrests and two federal trials. And the question remains is, are the folks who did wrong going to jail? Now, here's the deal. The assistant head coaches were working with sports manufacturers. Adidas is one of those companies. And so a couple of Adidas execs were arrested and all the assistant coaches. Some of them have actually pled guilty.

They had wiretaps as well. But his was interesting. Not a single head coach is on trial. Not one. Even though there are wiretaps where there are coaches who are on there talking about cutting deals to land major players. And so who's the getting all caught up? Who are the ones going to prison? who are on there talking about cutting deals to land major players.

And so who's the getting all caught up? Who are the ones going to prison? Yes, the black assistant coaches. Jamal Murphy, sports writer for Undefeated. They actually talked about this here. And Jamal is very interesting because Chuck Person, former NBA player, is one of those folks. Assistant coaches in Arizona and LSU, Auburn, a bunch of different schools have gotten caught up in this.

And the coaches, I mean, the judge even ruled, the coaches didn't have to testify. You and I both know, no assistant coach can cut a deal to negotiate to bring a player unless that head coach is in on it that's right as far as i've ever heard for sure and no i mean go ahead go ahead yeah no i mean it's just uh you know it's just a very sad situation for especially for assistant coaches uh 56 of the assistant coaches in Power Five College basketball schools are black, but then only 17% of the head coaches are black.

So it seems as if these coaches are kind of being used to play in this dirty game of recruiting. And then of course we have the situation where the entire business is basically built on the backs of unpaid black labor playing the games. But then when things go wrong, the scapegoats turn out to be black men as well, even though hardly any of them are head coaches. And again, following this, look at these convictions. You had the coach in LSU who they caught on wiretaps. He wouldn't talk to LSU.

He got suspended. And then once they finally had a conversation, he came back. You got the guy, the head coach out at Arizona, the head coach in Kansas, Rick Patino. He was forced out as well. I mean, you have these. And again, if anybody who understands athletics, first and foremost, no assistant coach decides we're going to go recruit a player. First of all, the head coach says, I want that guy. And then when you have head coaches who are on the tape, caught on tape talking about how much they actually have been giving,

it says a lot. And one of the guys who was on trial, he talked about how this one coach was given this top player in Arizona 10 grand a month. Right. Yeah, one of the men who was convicted of this, Christian Dawkins, was actually just a runner for an agent. He was trying to start his own NBA agency where he would represent players. And he talked about it, you know, that when he was working for an agent, that was his job basically to pay players and stuff like that.

So not only are they not going after the head coaches who, like you say, assistant coaches can't do anything without the head coaches. Okay. I know some people will say, Oh, well, you know, they, the head coaches will tell the assistant coaches, just go find me the best players and that's it but there's no there's no way that an assistant coach is gonna is gonna put the head coach in jeopardy like that without without the head coach at least knowing what's going on so that that's not true and not only were they not going after head coaches but like i said before uh we know that agents partake in this kind of activity which used to be just uh you know uh ncaa violations but now

um they become criminal uh violations and and legal violations to where guys are being put in jail over this stuff and it's just you know like i said before it's just sad that you know eight eight of nine of the of the coaches or the or the uh runners that were that either were convicted or pleaded guilty were people of color seven of nine seven of seven of the nine were black um so there's definitely some in inequity there in terms of uh you know what ended up happening in the criminal justice system so scott boland is over here whining so what do you mean it's not true scott you're whining oh it's not true really no that is It's always not true. Let me say that. Really? No, that is not true.

And since I'm a former prosecutor and I'm also a criminal defense attorney, let me shed light on a few things. Come on. One, a head coach talking on tape about committing a crime, about committing a crime, is not illegal. These runners and what have you paying students before they get to college is not a crime. Actually, it is. No, I'm sorry.

No. It is illegal according to NCAA standards, and it's illegal according to the contract. You're talking about them being in the NCAA. I'm talking about before they get to the NCAA, Roland. Before they get to the NCAA, paying a player in AAU or any other pre-college program is not illegal. No, that's incorrect.

Let me say this. No, no, no, Scott. Let me say this. Scott, Scott. It's just not. Scott, that is incorrect. It's not. The NCAA.

One more time. You want to argue with the lawyer on the panel. Scott, Scott. The NCAA has, Scott, you're wrong. Get there. You're wrong. Jason, Jamal, Jamal. Can you please explain this, Scott, how the NCAA has ruled a number of players to be ineligible because they accepted benefits prior to even coming to college.

Jamal, go ahead. Prior to being recruited for college. I think both of you are correct in a way. Exactly. It's definitely a violation. It's an NCAA violation to where the kid could get in trouble, the kid could have his eligibility taken away. So it's definitely something that will hurt the kid if it's found out,

and it can hurt the schools as well. But it's technically not a crime here unless, you know, the reason they got these college coaches hemmed up on bribery charges is because that's where the crime was the crime was the bribery charge that that the runners were paying to the coaches and what i said is this they were saying they were saying if you pay the players it's still it's still wrong and it's still a violation but technically the crime is that they paid the coaches. And here's what I said. And I did not say crime.

What I'm speaking of is that in the contracts, in the contracts of these coaches, they are not to violate NCAA rules. They are not to also do anything that could get a university put on probation and have sanctions. And what I'm saying is not only have these coaches not been on trial,

they also have not been penalized by their institutions. They still have their jobs, and they still are out there. In fact, the coach at LSU, okay, who was implicated, he said, first of all, LSU said, we want you to come in and talk to us. He said, no. They suspended him as LSU was going to play in the SEC tournament NCAAs.

He then later sat down and talked to LSU after a period of time. Then they allowed him to come back as head coach. What I'm saying is, you cannot convince me that the head coach at LSU was not aware that his assistant coaches were engaged in these activities and trying to recruit a player. Let me convince you. You cannot convince me that the coach at Arizona and the coach at Kansas and the coach at Louisville and the coach at Auburn.

Jamal, go ahead, and then I'll go to Scott and then Jason. Go ahead. Yeah, you can't convince me of that either. I can convince both of you all of that. It's one thing to say, you know, maybe the school president didn't know and maybe the AD didn't know. Maybe that, you know, they're looking more towards long-term

in terms of, you know, making sure that the school is profitable and that the team remains good but the coaches themselves are more short term um there's no way an assistant coach is gonna is gonna put his his head coach on the line he's basically putting his head coach on the line by paying players so they're at least at least he at least has to know um either you know either through sign language or something, that it's okay, that that head coach is okay with him doing whatever it takes to get that job done. And again, those of us who've covered sports for years,

those of us who know coaches, those of us who know players. Those of us who know sports. No, well, I don't know about that. No, I know all about sports. Those of us who understand. those of us who know those four no well i don't know about that i know those of us who understand my fair those of us who also work in athletic departments know how this game is played and so the bottom line is the black assistant coaches are taking a fall what is largely white head coaches are keeping their three four and five million dollar salaries and that's what's going on scott, go ahead. The head coaches are smart. This is how they don't know.

They don't want to know. I know the game, and I know the coaches, but they don't want to know. And it's smart for them not to want to know. Even though you got some coaches who are on wiretaps. Yeah, they can talk about a crime. It doesn't mean they're convicted of a crime. But wait a minute.

Wait, but they know about a crime. Hold on. Hold on. Jason, go ahead. I'm going to be here. Wait a minute. You didn't even let me finish. Actually, I did know about a crime. Hold on. Jason, go ahead. I'm honest here. Wait a minute. You didn't even let me finish. Actually, I did let you finish. You did not. I wasn't finished. I'm trying to... I want to understand one thing.

What a show. I want to understand one thing. So, by your... I don't want to say logic. By your... It ain't logic. Go ahead, Jason. Jason, go ahead. If I were... If I were on tape saying roland i want you to go

shoot scott and then he shoots scott i'm not liable for a crime i haven't committed a crime there's no there's no conspiracy subject we are talking we haven't conspired in your death without corroboration the corroboration is that he went and shot me. My point is. But they went and committed the crime, bro. It depends on what's on the tape. So, Rolla, just shoot him. If they're aware of it, it doesn't make it a crime. But wait a minute. But they talked about it, right?

Let's talk about something else that black people never want to talk about, right? No, we're discussing this subject. Okay, seven out of nine went to jail and therefore prosecuted, and therefore that's a racial inequity. Well, wait a minute now. Why are those black people committing the crime? That's like being set up. Why are they committing the crime? Because the white coach wants the top player, Jamal.

Oh, so they don't have an independent right to not commit the crime. Jamal, go ahead. No, no one's saying they're not. One second, one second. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. Pipe down, Jamal, go ahead. Pipe down. If this is the business of college basketball,

and we're all saying we know this goes on, it's also not, it's probably not just the 56% of the coaches who are black doing it. There'd probably be some white assistant coaches doing the same dirty stuff. Why aren't they being prosecuted? We'll get to them. We'll get to them.

But here's the bottom line. Hold on. Julian, no, no, no. Why do the crime? Julian, go ahead. Julian the bottom line. Hold on. Julian, no, no, no. Why do the crime? Julian, go ahead. Julian, go ahead. Hold on. Julian, go ahead. Scott is showing absurd ignorance of the labor market. Oh, no, I'm not.

Yes, you are. Of the labor market. Julian is talking. You're going to jail. Julian is talking. The point is that these brothers want to keep their jobs, and so they're doing what they have to do to keep their job. If it's not, if the head coaches are not telling them... Julian, go ahead.

The head coaches are telling them they're winking and nodding it's not the head coaches are not telling them. Julian, go ahead. The head coaches are not telling them. They're winking and nodding it. And the head coaches deserve liability as well. I need to see that the challenge is head coaches need to be held responsible, athletic directors need to be held responsible, and university presidents need to be held responsible. If that were the case, this nonsense would stop.

And Jamal, and Jamal, and Jamal, this is what we also know. When a head coach says, go and get me the number one player, that assistant coach knows I got to go get the player because who is the one who's only making $150,000 or $200,000? The assistant coach. Who is the one making $3 million and $4 million and $5 million? The head coach. And the head coach knows,

if I don't go get the top ballplayers, if I don't play this game, I can't keep getting my big salary. So the assistant coaches are the ones who are having their careers destroyed and going to jail because they understand how the game is played. Jamal, your final comment. No, I totally agree with that.

And I also think that a lot of these black assistant coaches, they're used as recruiters. They're not, you know, they're different assistant coaches. Some assistant coaches help with the defense, so they help develop the players. But a lot of times these black assistant coaches are are strictly there to do this you know to work in recruiting and work in the city business and recruiting because they could because they because they can more than you know because he gonna finish go ahead jamal right because people think that that's all they can do relate to these black kids who are playing the game they're not truly given a chance uh to really up, you know, work and climb up the ladder

and become head coaches as is represented in the numbers. Like I said, 56% of assistant coaches are black. Only 17% of the head coaches are black. There's an issue there. And again, what you also see, if you are a top black head coach in basketball, let's say at one of the SWAC schools or one of the HBCUs, isn't it amazing how you never get a call from one of the larger universities? Jamal Murphy with the Undefeated. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

All right, Scott, you can finish up whining. Not whining. What does any of that, to your listening audience, what does any of that have to do whether I'm in a position to commit a crime or not? If I commit that crime, nobody's asking you to commit the crime. Actually, they are. It's called collegiate sharecropping. What are you, an apologist for crime?

No, no, no. What I am is somebody who understands big time. What I understand is somebody who understands big time. What I understand is somebody who understands big time college athletics. And I understand it's a multi-billion dollar game. And what I understand is when the coach says, go get them, he means go get them by any means necessary. Julianne, final comment. So what?

All I have to say is that the bottom line here is that, as you say, college athletics is a profit center for these colleges. I think that they're all complicit. I think that some of the presidents are complicit. Frankly, as a former president, I would say, you know what's going on on your campus. And, I mean, you know what's happening. I'm at the University of Maryland, so I'm not going to say anything right now. Well, hell, university... You ain't lying.

What does any of this have to do? You can't say nothing. What does that have to do with committing a crime? Are you kidding me? Bottom line is this here. Bottom line is this here, y'all. You are biopic. You are biopic.

You are biopic. What I'm an apologist for is when you have the little guy paying it. You have the little guy paying the price for the big guy. That's my problem. It's called sharecropping

in college sports. All right, y'all. I'm going to go to my next story. The Westboro Baptist Church designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group has announced plans to protest at the upcoming commencement ceremonies for Spelman College, Morehouse Collegeark atlanta university and the church is located in topeka kansas they've got a well-documented history of organizing hateful protests which is

why they're classified as a hate group and a monster by the fbi uh you know these people are infamous for boycotting funerals. Five years ago, six years ago, our mutual friend Cora Masters' buried mom passed. They were at the funeral. They passed out these flyers that were utterly hateful because Tommy Masters,

Cora's brother, is the mayor of West Palm Beach, Florida. He had just passed a piece of legislation asserting gay rights. They hate gay people, and their reasons for boycotting Morehouse, Spelman, and AU Center have to do with, I think Morehouse

has just passed a policy about transsexual students or transgender students. Spelman has done something similar. AUC has a guy there who's gay. But they are crazy people. The funny thing about them, however, is these protests, they pass out these flyers at Dr. Isabel Masters' funeral.

It was about ten little scraggly-looking white boys. Scraggly-looking white boys. I mean, so the security we had, we had serious security. Right, right. This was not happening. It was, you know, the security. I was like, say something. And it's a handful of these nuts.

But I want them to say something to the wrong brother at Morehouse. That's all I want. Jason, the wrong sister at Spelman. Oh all I want. The wrong sister is Spellman. Oh, no, getting away with a black pan trying to get to that graduation. They should go there. You know, I want to move that we stop calling them Westboro Baptist Church because they're neither Baptist nor a church. They're just the Westboro hate organization or whatever we want to call them,

but they are not in any way thinking about, they just like to throw the word God in there, but they are not a church. Ain't no God in nothing they do. Yeah. They're just a hate organization and they, you know, they want cameras and they want attention. That's all they want. That's all that they really need. Alright, Scott, go. God sent the shooter.

Wow. And that's religious. I told you they're nuts. Religion. Here's the deal. I don't know why America and the Constitution allow us to have hate groups in America or gangs in America. There is no right to free speech that connotes violence

or hatred. Why don't we just shut down every hate group and every urban gang in America, regardless of why they are... You have to shut down 1,600 Pennsylvania Avenue. If you are hateful, if you are violent, you have no right to operate, and you can infringe on their constitutional rights

and the First Amendment any day of the week like we do any other time or any other law in this country. I was with you until urban gangs. I think that that's a lot more complex. It may be. We can do that in an... It's hate group. Hate group, sure. Whether it's... Jason, complex. It may be. But I just simplified it. It's hate group.

Hate group. Whether it's Jason. Jason, finish, please. Scott, you talked long enough. Yeah, no, I, well, there have been, you know, people, who's going to classify someone as an urban gang? You know, there were people. Oh, we can name them. We can name them.

Yeah, Kappas. We can name them. You know. Kappas. Violence. Kappas. There were gang symbols. Kappas.

There were people who. Gang insignias. CAPAs. If you had left it up to the government, they would have said the Black Panthers were an urban gang. No, I wouldn't classify that. Hell, they would have. Hold on, you wouldn't have.

Or they would have called the SCLC a gang. Right. Yes, they would have. The Black Identity Extremists. That lets you know who we do not want defining. When the FBI says the Black Identity... We're all, everybody on this panel is a Black Identity extremist. That lets you know who we do not want defining. When the FBI says the black identity... We're all... Everybody on this panel is a black identity extremist. The whole truth is to be told.

All day. All right, y'all, a new video shows Texas police racially profiling a black dad who was playing basketball with his small children in front of his home. It's called The Next Story. Stop talking, Scott. It turns out the cops had the wrong damn guy. Y'all, this video is unbelievable. It took place in Harris County,

which is, of course, where Houston is. Press play. Oh. He don't even know my name and tell him I have a warrant? What did he do? That's what I'm saying. For what? For what? You're not from Louisiana.

For what? For what? I don't even live in Louisiana, so how can I have a... You don't know my name, so how can you tell me I have a warrant in Louisiana? Sir. Sir, stop. I got a Cal live in Louisiana. So how can I have a... You don't know my name. So how can you tell me I have a baby born in Louisiana? Sir. Sir, stop. I got the Calvary coming. Okay, well, you don't even know me.

I already got you. No, you don't even know me. Sir. You don't even know my name. Why would I trust you? Stop. I'm confused. He don't even live in Louisiana.

No, no, no, no. How can you tell me I have something and He don't even live in Louisiana. No, no, no. How can you tell me I have something and you don't know my name? You just put him in front of my house. Stop it. Could you say something like you're scared of something? Okay. He don't live in Louisiana.

I don't even live in Louisiana. How the hell would I ever mourn in Louisiana? Quentin, you already said your name was that. My name is not Quentin. What the fuck is wrong with you? Sir, his name is not Quentin. Then let's see the ID and we'll be done. Okay, hold on. You just told me three different names. You walked up here and told me three different names.

Hold on. That's the third name you just told me. No, I'm not going to be the next nigga you kill. No! You think I'm going to look because I got dreads or something? You just pulled up in front of my fucking house and told me I got a boy in Louisiana. So what? That's my fucking dog. That's our dog.

That's our dog. You in the house. Sir, that's our dog. Don't you touch me while you're shaking. You need to step back and calm down. No, fuck that. Sir, his name is not Quinn. That's our dog. Just only three different names You pulled up on some bullshit someone. I got a stolen dog. My dog is cheap And then you come out some city Louisiana things in my name is Quentin my name is not no fucking quiz

I'm not telling you my name, but it's not quick. I'm not telling you my name, but it's not Quinton. I'm not telling you my last name. You just come here and put your hands behind your back then, okay? No. Sir. Oh, my God. Sir, who are you looking for? Get my phone out of the car. There you got him running. Calm down.

Calm down. Calm down. Calm down. Please calm down. Who are you looking for? Yes, I want to. I want to do this so we're done and over with. Okay?

You shake it and you... Right here? We're good? Okay. Here's the deal. Doesn't that look a lot like you? No, no, no. That's not him. What the fuck is wrong with you, man?

What you trying to say? Because I got glasses on black? That's me? No. That's not him. What the fuck? She can see that's not me. Oh, my God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Stop! Please leave him alone, please! No! No! Please! That is not him! Please leave him alone! Get out of my yard, man! No, you need to get the fuck out of my yard! You just said I'm somebody named... Come on, come on. What the fuck is that shit?

Okay, come on. Now you want to leave, right? Okay, I'm trying to understand. How are you... Okay, first of all, the officer trying to understand. How are you... Okay, first of all, the officer tried to say that he stopped because of the man's dog. As if, I guess,

black men can't have dog. Then he said there's a warrant out for his arrest. And then he shows him the photo. Jason makes total no sense. I mean, the whole video. And the guy the guys like so you want to handcuff me I'm not under arrest what what the hell yeah I couldn't understand it either you know and I think we all would agree that a man or a woman's home is there is. He's outside the house. So for him, he was on his own property. I'm sorry, it doesn't matter he's outside the house.

In Texas, in Texas, okay, it extends to your property. It's not just your house. It extends to your yard as well. In fact, if someone even tries, in Texas, being a native Texan, don't have to be a lawyer. You ain't been there in years. First of all, I steal my homestead. I pay the property tax on my damn house.

In Texas, if somebody tries to steal your vehicle from your home, you can legally shoot them in your driveway because that is your property on your property. Go ahead. Right. No, I mean, that's his property. He was not committing a crime or doing anything. For them to come up and all of a sudden physically grab him.

He put his hands on it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. He didn't ask for... No, no, no. He did not have the right to do that. No, you don't have the right to put your hands on it. You could run that video and I could take debt by debt

from this, okay? Look at the video. No, no, no, talk dough it's a reasonable stop how hold on hello how nothing how's the reason we're so very Savannah Ward no no no no let me walk you through no they stopped because of his dog right whatever so what's the what's the what's good so what's the reason? You can't have a dog? It was not a violation. They stopped because he was a black man with some dreads. That's what you want to think.

No, no, no. Go ahead. Whether it was the dog that may have been unleashed, whatever the regulation is, here's the deal. The police have a right if they believe that possible criminal conduct is possible. Hold on. What was possible?

Pat, are you calling for speeches from the police? believe that possible criminal conduct is a foot possible. Hold on. What was possible? Are you calling for speeches from the Policeman's Union? He is calling for speeches from the Policeman's Union, Roland. That's what he's doing. You can't learn much on this show because people talk versus listen. What I'm trying to say to you through the video is even if the stop was for a wrong reason, they can reasonably

stop you. They asked him for ID. They said they had a warrant. he wanted to argue and he did argue but you ain't gonna resolve that with the police on the street like that and you know what they left when he gave him the ID and they looked at the picture the one which is not a cop came back came back and they should when the second cop came and they showed him it was clearly not him he's going off yelling at cursing let me ask again no no first of all i'm not going to hold on because it's my show because that's what he did though let me ask again the brother was wrong what they would have got on their way what was lucky what was reasonable about the stop? They didn't have probable cause.

No, they had no cause. But they're learning. If you can see from the video, they're learning it as they get there. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. They started with the dog. They shipped it.

They shipped. This is what they did. You know what? They did the same thing. Hold up. In most jurisdictions, the cop can stop you and ask you for ID. Actually, no. No, hold up, hold up.

First of all, that's most. But the law also says that unless I am under arrest, I do not have to give them my ID. Not true. And by the way, a reasonable... Where? I don't have to be under arrest. What's reasonable?

This is not reasonable. Julian, go ahead. It's unreasonable. I can reasonably detain you whether you've committed a crime or not. I ain't talking, babe. So now, here's the deal. I want you to listen. I was listening to you, but it didn't make any sense. Well, you can't learn about the law if you talking.

I'm not trying to learn about the law in this case. I'm trying to learn about why this black man, enjoying his yard on a nice day, has these po-po roll up on him for no reason, roll up on him with this bogus nonsense about the dog. Then they go from the dog to the warrant in Louisiana. Is it the dog or the warrant in Louisiana? And as the woman said, you heard the voice.

The only one yelling and screaming was him. The only one cursing was him. Let me say this. Hold up, hold up. One second. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. One second, one second.

One second. One second. You would be arrested if you got bolded. One second. One second. One second. One second. One second. One second. One second. Allow me. Allow me to read this here. I'm sorry. Allow me to read this. Hold up. And this black

person is going to read this here. There's no requirement to provide information in any particular form, such as a license or identification card in Texas. If you are not under arrest, you do not have to identify yourself. If you are being detained but not under arrest in Texas, you do not have to show an ID that is your Texas law if

there's a warranted issue they can reasonably do no you know no no no no no Scott Scott Scott two things he was not under arrest he was he was not detained no they did not have a warrant. For somebody else. In another state. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. Scott, Scott, Scott, you obviously did not read your packet. They said, they said there was a warrant for this, some other man in Louisiana. Yes. That they, they did not, they were not in possession. Exactly.

Of a warrant for that guy. And they investigated it. And they can detain you to investigate. And he did not have the show as ID. That was nothing but ugly, cold malice. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. It was malice and it was racist. It was malice and it was racist.

That brother drove the whole narrative down. No, he did not drive it down. He was minding his business on his yard. The police were reasonable, too. I don't think they were reasonable. He had his hand on him. In his bare... No.

You did what he did. So what? If you're investigating, he could be detained. But you don't put your hand on the panel. Allow me to say this. First of all,

first of all, hold on. First of all, first of all, how many Texans on the panel? Well, I spent some time in Texas. No, no, all, how many Texans on the panel? Well, I spent some time in Texas. No, no, no. How many Texans on the panel?

You ain't from Texas. I'm sorry. How many folks are born and raised in Texas? How many folks are... I'm sorry. How many are still registered to vote in Texas? How many pay homestead taxes in Texas? I don't mean you know nothing about the police.

So, here's what I do know. As a Texan, the law says if you are not under arrest and being detained, you do not have to show your ID. The brother was correct. He did not have... One second, one second, one second. And here's the second thing.

The reason why they are investigating the officers, because the officers' story changed. Yes. And this is no different than what took place with Sandra Bland. They'll be clear. Where the Texas Department of Public Safety trooper was looking for a reason. We have a video of him being in

the car, talking to a supervisor, trying to figure out what he could charge her with because he had no real reason to do so that's what you have going on right there in texas and so scott can see he is spinning all he wants to but that's fine all right y'all let me let me deal with let before i go let me show y'all this crazy ass white woman roll it please All right, y'all. So Michael Hancock, he is the mayor of Denver.

He's African-American. Actually running against him for mayor. This was an interview that she did. It was on the page of this guy, Brother Jeff, from his Facebook page. And she was being interviewed by this sister. This went about as well as one can expect. No. No. I don't think so. Do you know about the NAACP? This went about as well as one can expect.

Do you know about the NAACP? Just turn it up for the fans. Do you know about the NAACP? Absolutely. Okay. What does it mean? National African American. Oh. You going to test me on this?

Yeah. Yeah. It's important because it's our people, and we want to know if you're connected to the people. I know the NAACP is a big branch out here that does, you know, that informs the black folks. Advocacy and absolutely. And just so people want to know, do you know what they do in the NAACP? And you don't have to give any specifics about the name change, but what they stand for I think is an important part of the question.

Well, they do advocacy for the African-American community. They talk about policy. They talk about... Y'all, she wouldn't ask to name SNCC or CORE or NUL, National Urban League. She wasn't asked. Y'all, she was asked about the NAACP. Now. Founded in 1909.

No, but here's the thing. If you white, if there is one group, okay, if you, if there's a gun to your head and they name you, they name one black group you know about, NAACP is probably the easiest one for you to name. You can call it NAACP, NAACP. Take your pick. The NAA. She clearly ain't got no clue, Jason, what the hell NAACP is.

And actually, I would debate whether you could even call the NAACP a black group. I mean it's always been mixed. It's always had white members. Founded by white people. You know founded by you know white and black people. White and black people. They had you know white money involved. So I mean the whole thing is you know for her not to know that group the most historic group that we have is really troubling for somebody who wants to run for mayor of an urban city. That woman was amusing. I mean, she truly was amusing.

Roland, I don't know where you get these crazy-ass white people from. I don't know. We got them on video. We got them on video. I just roll tape. Well, I don't know where you get the tape from. But obviously that woman should not be running for anything but her life. Let me ask a balance of this, if I may.

Should that disqualify her from running for mayor? Hell yeah. Oh, hell yeah. It should. Hell yeah. Right. She doesn't get a second chance on that. Hell no.

Second chance? What's wrong with you? She doesn't go home and read up on the NAACP and come back. You must have taken, like, your white people pills today. I mean, first you want to defend the po-po. I didn't say she should be able to run. Hey, y'all, if we were in court, sustained. I want a motion for reconsideration.

Denied. Anything else you got? Denied. I hold your ass in contempt. If you go out to the Supreme Court, maybe Uncle Clarence got something for you. Exactly. No, but he'll point.

I think it's pretty embarrassing. Yeah, and so no, she don't get no second chance. We don't care. We don't care nothing she do. It don't matter. And I'm just saying, if you need to know one, know that one. That'll save uh any kind of heartache but she obviously

didn't even know where she was going that who was interviewing uh like they've got advocacy um registration they she didn't say that she went policy i don't know what the hell else they do and she was highly amusing that's all i have all right She went policy. What policy? I don't know what the hell else they do. She was highly amusing. That's all I have to say. All right, y'all. Thank you for the math rolling. Look, I mean, that's why we got crazy.

That's why people say it. They do what they do. So, all right, y'all. Today is the end of Founders Day for Sigma Pi Phi. Fraternity, the Boulay, founded May 15, 1904 in Philadelphia. Go to my iPad. the logo's right there. And so shout out to all the Archons, members of Sigma Pi Phi.

Scott's one of them. Epsilon chapter. Don't ask, I don't know why. Epsilon Boulay rather, forgive me. All right, whatever. What's your Boulay? The high wishes. The high wishes.

So there we go. So again, congratulations on today's Founders Day. All right, y'all, first of all, I want to thank our panel, but coming up next though, I got an interview with Reverend Dr. Alan E. Waller. He is the author of the book, The Code of the Righteous Warrior, Ten Laws of Moral Manhood for an Uncertain World. I need to just give Scott this book. After today's segment, that was shameful.

I've been a warrior all my life, brother. So I look forward to having this conversation. Don't forget, if you want to support Roller Marker Unfiltered, go to RollerMarkerUnfiltered.com, join our Bring the Funk fan club. Scott still hasn't given. He's been lying for six months and he wrote Jack. So, again, y'all can support us. Support via Cash App, PayPal, or even Square, or go to the website.

We certainly want you to do so. Every dollar you give, of course, goes to support a great show. All right, folks, I'll see you tomorrow. But here's my conversation with Reverend Waller. All right, Reverend Dr. Alan Walker, The Code of the Righteous Warrior, Ten Laws of Moral Manhood for an Uncertain World. Let's get right into this book. First and foremost, when we talk about a moral world, we're living in a world now

where you have a president who people on the right call this, oh, this great Christian and one of the most Christian folks, whatever, who repeatedly lies, who attacks people. He attacks women. He trashes people. And so how do we operate when we talk about living in a moral, in an uncertain world, having moral manhood, when the President of the United States, frankly, is somebody who, frankly, does not qualify for what you're describing? You're exactly right.

Thank you so much for letting me be a part of this conversation. That's exactly why I want to talk about what it means to be a righteous warrior. What does moral manhood look like? And it's the basics. What I've tried to do is take from my Christian experience, my martial arts experience, and my athletics experience, and derive principles of decency. And this is not coming from someone who sits on top of a mountain having done everything right, but someone who's sort of lived life. And I want to talk to people about making right choices. I want to talk to people about, you know, a righteous warrior is a man who loves God, loves himself, loves his family, and wants to make a difference in the

world. And I wanted to add my voice to the conversation. You and I have grown up, we've seen promise keepers, million man march stuff. It's not that I'm trying to do that, but I am trying to say that beyond the stadiums and crowds, there's some basic things that men, people ought to do to make this world a better place. And that's what I'm trying to do with this book. And when you talk about that, as you were talking, I think about when I hear these phrases, toxic masculinity. I had someone who told, I had a woman who once said, oh, you're hyper masculine. And I told her, I said, well, I am who I am. I am a man. And so I said, so what exactly is it about me being a man that you have a problem with? And it was a very interesting conversation because on one hand,

we have folks who say we want men to be men. And you say the code of a righteous warrior. But then others will say, oh, no, but that's hyper-masculinity. And so what do you think about the phrases that are being thrown around to describe men today where you're sort of like well okay what am I supposed to be if that's this phrase and that phrase well what am I and how am I supposed to operate and act in this world that's exactly right well and I take up that issue around you know even men talking to younger men I find that talking to some millennial men my definition of manhood or what I was raised with, I'm 55 years old, they would call toxic masculinity. But I try to frame the conversation to suggest that maybe sometimes we who are Christian and far right have messed up the definitions. And even our pictures of Jesus, our understanding

of manhood coming out of the church, has caused us to have this polarized conversation. I want to suggest things like this. My theology of self-defense comes from Jesus Christ himself. I believe that Jesus was not necessarily a pacifist. He was a pragmatist. If you read the scriptures, you'll see that Jesus was dealing with aggression three times, and three times he chose different things. One time he ran away. One time he stood and fought for his father's house. And another time, for the good of all of us, he let the other side win. A real man understands which one of those should be used at what time. Sometimes it's best to walk away. Sometimes it's best to stand and fight. Sometimes you let the other side win. Your relationship with God should inform those decisions. And so it's that type of conversation that I'm trying to push forward in this book to think about what does it mean to fight? Some argue that fighting is only with our fists, but we have to bring a different type of understanding of manhood and strength that is

beyond brute strength, but it is stick-to-itiveness. It is character. And that's what a righteous warrior is. And I think also when we talk about this notion of manhood, it is a question of redefining it because, for instance, we were raised, the man is the one who goes out and makes the most money and who is the earner. But the reality is you might be in a situation where your wife is making more than you. That doesn't mean that, oh, my goodness, that's a bad thing. I'm no longer being a man.

It's just the reality that that's what she's making. Like, I don't get caught up and hung up in that. The problem is when people then begin to somehow say, I'm less than a man because of that. So they are now defining their manhood through the basis of who makes how much money, which to me is the stupidest thing in the world, because my philosophy is my money is your money, your money is my money, and our money is our money. That's exactly right. But also the root of that argument comes from what I think is a misunderstanding of a basic Christian doctrine of

the headship, that headship argument. While I have that argument, what normally has happened is head has been defined as boss or head has been defined using the Greek word archaic, which means over. When the scriptures talks about head in terms of kafale, which is source, which has to do with being a strength, a support, a good partner, which goes more into what you're defining as shared power and not overpower. And so I try to push that because you'll notice on the book, I say I want to take up that conversation. A generation ago, we might assume that a man could marry and then his salary alone take care of the family. We don't even live in that economic reality anymore. For a young couple today to make it, they both need to work. And we need to affirm the humanity of our sisters, affirm their gift. I think we need to debunk the old theological perspectives that kept women off to the side, not preaching, not serving, not leading,

and recognize that them being elevated and supported in the fullness of their humanity does not in any way take away from real masculinity. And that's what a righteous warrior understands. Well, also, I would dare say when we talk about this notion, again, as I look at the chapter, even when you talk about being a family man, to me, the notion of being a righteous warrior, forget, again, who makes what. And again, I've been in the situation where I've made more money. My wife has made more money. I'm still the same person. I think what we have to do is teach men to understand what spiritual covering means. And so talk about being spiritual leadership, looking to be a spiritual leader and not get caught up.

And even his idea of roles I remember that was a woman who to my wife she just like she said I can't believe you take out the trash and and you get tires rotated and my wife was like okay first of all calm the hell down he cooks and cleans and so she said she said so and I got no problem with him cooking and cleaning and again this also for this woman she her view of a man was oh no a man takes the trash out a man gets the oil change and gets the tires change well my wife loves this stuff I can't stand that stuff I'm busy doing some other stuff and again but she's saying but hold up wait a minute but he also

cooks and cleans and so again I think part of this deal we gets we have gotten so trapped into these roles as opposed to That's right. Do the dishes get washed the clothes get cleaned the tires get changed and all get changed trash get taken out I don't care who does it long as it gets done. That's literally what I'm trying to argue in the book, but also getting people to understand that throughout the book, I challenge men to their unique role, their unique person. Who are you as a person? So I tried to argue that when I think of my. Actually, hold on one second. So it actually broke up there. So let's start with your answer again. Go ahead. And in the family man discussion, I try to argue that a generation ago when someone asked you, are you a family man, what they meant was, are you married?

What I argue in this is we're family men whether we're married or not. You cannot define your whole self outside of relationship to others. But that doesn't mean you have to be married. I think for a long time we defined you weren't grown until you were married. But even if you're not married, you're someone's son, you're someone's brother, you're someone's uncle, you're someone's cousin. And the fruit of your manhood should be seen in how you are related and how you fit in the larger relational nexus in your family and in your community. So in that, I argue that understanding yourself, understanding how you fit as a relational being with others is what a real righteous warrior is.

All right, then. Well, look, we certainly appreciate it. The book is called The Color of the Righteous Warrior, Ten Laws of Moral Manhood for an Uncertain World. Reverend Waller, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you very, very much. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time.

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