#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 5.22 #RMU: Biden, Charlamagne interview rankles GOP; Paris Dennard on Show; Kenneth Walker freed

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

5.22.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Biden, Charlamagne interview rankles GOP; Paris Dennard on Show; Kenneth Walker freed Woman and her son attacked in a Missouri Sam's Club file suit; Attempted murder charges have been dropped against Kenneth Walker, Breonna Taylor's boyfriend; Joe Biden pisses off Black Republicans in an interview with Charlemagne the God; Trump defined churches as essential today and calls on governors to reopen this weekend; Alabama Mayoral candidate calls for the return of public hangings + Comedian Queen Aishah joins us for Wildin' Out Fridays Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered Partner: Ceek Be the first to own the world's first 4D, 360 Audio Headphones and mobile VR Headset. Check it out on www.ceek.com and use the promo code RMVIP2020 - The Roland S. Martin YouTube channel is a news reporting site covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Cops in Des Peres, Missouri are being sued by a 68-year-old black woman and her son after they were attacked at a Sam's Club in March. They were accused of stealing a television they already purchased. Folks, this is a trigger warning. This is a stunning and shocking video. Watch this.. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. His hand is busted. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?

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is the attorney, Andrew Straub. Andrew, first and foremost, I'm just trying to understand, how did this whole thing go down? They're being accused of stealing the television, but they already paid for it. Yeah, Roland, it's another tragic incident caught on video. This is Marvia Gray, 68 years old, African-American woman in the store with her 43 year old son, Derek Gray. They went and had already bought a Sony Bravia, 65 inch flat screen TV. They had left the store because they didn't have room in their SUV to take home the television. Derek came back to the store and an officer was, you know, following him around and thought Derek stole the TV. The officer at some point calls for backup. And the next thing you

know, without cause or provocation, you see what you just watched on the video, which is the officers from the De Pere Police Department brutally attacking Mrs. Gray and Derek Gray. So at any point, did the officers say, do you have the receipt for this television? Did they say to any of the store personnel, you know, what's going on here? Well, in fact, not. The store personnel told them that they had paid for the TV. So those officers came in on 10, and it was definitely a racial profiling incident. And both Mrs. Gray and Derek sustained major injuries. And what we did on Monday is we filed a lawsuit in court on Monday, a seven-count lawsuit against the city of De Pere and the officers who brutally attacked the Grace.

You know, we thank God that there was a citizen bystander, two citizens, who captured that video, because without the video, people wouldn't believe what happened. And as you know, Roland, you look at Mike Brown in St. Louis, you look at what the tragedy in Brunswick, Georgia. You know, these events are being captured on video for America to see what's what's really happening in our communities as it relates to the unjustified use of force by the police. So was the officer on duty as security and then he called back up? No. Well, the officer was in the store. Not sure why he was in the store. According to the store, he wasn't working for them.

So we don't really know. We just know that it was a police officer in the store was following Derek, who bought a $1,400 TV, and then he called for backup. And again, he had the receipt, and his mom... I mean, these are a middle class folks. How can you in 2020 walk into a store, buy a TV and then get attacked and jumped on by multiple police officers? So again, so again, so they bought this TV. They couldn't get it fit in their car. So he comes back.

What that means is that the television was at the front of the store. It was, it was being held. So he would then the way, I mean, I'm a Sam's club member, a Costco member. And so what happens is you come, you're coming into the store where the exit is. And so you're passing your customer service. You're going, you have to ask somebody, hey, you were holding my television. Here's my receipt. I came to pick it up. And so I'm just trying to understand how an officer would just immediately start following him and would not listen to store personnel who said, no, he's here to pick up a TV he's already bought. Well, that's what happened. Tragically, that's ultimately what happened.

The store informed the officer that he had purchased the TV, but those officers came in on 10, and the video speaks for itself, and that's why we had to file the lawsuit against the city and against those officers. And like I said, the video speaks for itself. So he, you said they sustained major injuries. What kind of injuries? Well, he's got, his head was,

he's got multiple stitches in the back of his head. Mrs. Gray has a fractured tailbone and then both of them and a messed up elbow. And then Derek also had at least three teeth wiped out so he suffered a head injury and had to have dental surgery as well and had multiple staples in the back of his head and I gotta tell you his mom Mrs. Gray thought her son was gonna go the fate of many young black men which is is being killed by the police. She was screaming on that video because she thought they were going to kill her son. So how did this thing escalate to the point of getting taken down?

I mean, if you're a cop and you think the person trying to take a television, I would think that what you would say is, sir, that you purchased the television. Do you have receipt? That's just what I'm just trying to understand. How does it escalate to this takedown, this brutal takedown? I'm not sure. I mean, those officers came in on 10. They had suspicion of theft, but no evidence of theft. And the store told them the truth and the officers still attacked them. So again, I don't know why those guys in Georgia killed Ahmaud Arbery either. I don't know why that officer in St. Louis in Ferguson killed Mike Brown. I don't know why, you know, Tamir Rice, Laquan McDonald, Freddie Gray,

Walter Scott. So, I mean, I can't answer that question. I don't know. These stores have significant numbers of cameras. Have you petitioned? Have you seen the store cameras? We have. And the store cameras support the narrative that you see on the video that you have from the bystanders, that there is no cause and provocation. And the officers attacked both Marvia Gray, a 68-year-old woman, doesn't weigh 100 pounds, and hurt her significantly. And she already suffers from osteoporosis and sarcoidosis and some other major illnesses. Derek was in St. Louis to take care of his ailing mom. He lives in Virginia.

He went to take care of her. He went to go buy her a TV because she also has glaucoma. And again, they go to the store, come back and get brutally attacked by the police. And their lives are changed forever. And what we want to do is shine a light on these types of attacks to make sure they don't continue to happen in our communities and with people of color. Wow. Attorney Andrew Schaaf, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Folks, our panel today, Dr. Greg Carr, chair of the Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University, Amisha Cross, political analyst and Democratic strategist, Joseph Williams, senior

editor, U.S. News and World Report. Greg, this is just crazy. I mean, to see this, I mean, there's a protocol. It's real basic. If you're a cop and you're not actually working the store and you haven't been called by Sam's Club saying this man is stealing something. It's very simple. If you have. First of all, we need to establish what was your cause of suspicion? Well, the cause of suspicion, there was no cause of suspicion. The crime was being black. All we have to do is look at the fact that while that video was being taken, the workers at the checkout continued to scan items. You see one of the white checkout guys continuing to scan some plants or something and put them in the basket. It was very clear before we heard Attorney Strouth explain that they had purchased it, that they were at the front of the store, because you could see people continuing with business as usual. The crime was blackness. This is very important to understand. When Mrs. Gray, when Marvia Gray said later, quote, this is the way Derek is going to go. In other words, this is the way he's going to die. What she is acknowledging is the reality that we seem to not want to finally just confront

and name. And that is that there is no such thing as black humanity in this racist settler state when it comes to law enforcement. So these patty rollers don't see human beings. That's why we have to seek the rule of law, because the lawsuit is an attempt to confront the field of violence that we live in. The field of violence that we live in says that there is no such thing as a black human being. So at any time, law enforcement can approach a black person as if they are a non-person, because we are not. The only thing I would say initially is the only alternative we have to filing lawsuits is to go beyond the law. And if we go beyond the law, or we go to a larger valence of law, like the Second Amendment,

and so then we approach law enforcement from the idea that we're not going to seek redress after our lives have been harmed or taken, but seek redress as you confront us, now the society comes apart, and we're facing something very different. But we've got to stop saying things like, I don't understand. No, as Neely Fuller said, if you don't understand white supremacy, how it works, then everything else you think you understand will only confuse you. Of course we understand. Amisha, this is the nonsense that we, again, constantly deal with. And I just can't wait to hear what the hell these cops have to say. And again, Sam's Club,

they've got enough videos. They've got videos that you'll probably see him coming from outside, coming from the parking lot, coming into the store. You'll probably be able to see this entire deal go down. You won't have the audio, but you have the video from beginning to end. Absolutely. I have never seen a case, and I've been in grocery stores and other stores where somebody was suspected of stealing something, and typically there's something goes off or there's some video footage that shows that this person did something. In this case, this was extremely crazy. Hearing the mother scream as loud as she did, like that was chilling for me. She literally felt as though her son was about to

die and it was going to happen in front of her very eyes. The way that he was thrown to the ground, the thrashing he took, the head beating he had, obvious blood and everything else was happening. And as Dr. Carr spoke of, business as usual was going on around them. There's so much that went wrong in this case from the very onset of why he was suspected of a crime to begin with, but also after people within the store tell you that he actually purchased said TV and you continue to treat him as though he's a criminal and get extremely aggressive, hell, even if he had stolen the TV, all of what we saw happen in that video was totally outside of the realm of what police should do to maintain any type of order. I think that we have reached a pitch point in this country where officers are basically

throwing all caution to the wind and brutalizing Black people for the sake of brutalizing Black people. There is no real answer to why he did it. And I think that if we're trying to search for one, we'll be searching forever, because across the country, we've watched this type of abuse happen to black men specifically for generations now. Joseph. Well, I mean, clearly there's really not much more that can be said. What I'm kind of curious about, and to Greg's point, there were many people that were just walking by. I mean, we saw a couple of shoppers go on about their business. There were people ringing things up. There were only a few people, and they were mostly black people, who stopped and said, hey, what's going on? Let him go. Let her go. And what also kind of frustrates me,

because I mean, watching this video, my jaws are getting kind of tight. Nobody from Sam's Club came over and said, hey, chill out. This is not a problem. No one intervened. And it all went down horribly wrong in many ways that we've seen before. What also troubles me about this whole situation is this is the only one we know about, right? We happen to know about it because it got caught on video. If it hadn't been caught on video, we would not have seen it. I mean, it's everywhere. It's pernicious. It's something that is so incredibly frustrating, especially coming literally a stone's throw from Ferguson, where the eyes of the nation were focused on a situation that had a lot of hallmarks to this

one. So I'm just kind of wondering when enough is going to be enough. And sadly, I don't think we have the answer yet. All right, folks, let's go to this next story. And that is Louisville Commonwealth attorney Tom Wine announced today that Kenneth Walker is no longer charged with attempted murder of a police officer. Walker was accused of firing his gun at Louisville Metro Police Department officers who were serving a warrant at Breonna Taylor's apartment in March. Officer John Mattingly was struck in the leg. Wine played audio recordings of Walker describing what happened. Walker said there were several bangs on the door, and when he and Taylor got out of bed to see who was there, the door was being rammed open. That's when Walker fired one shot, he said, prompting a barrage of returned gunfire, leaving Taylor shot multiple times and

dying on the floor of her hallway. Amisha, what's interesting is that, and I was tweeted this, NRA, nowhere to be found. Dana Lash, Grant Steensfield, Colin Noor, all the people who was on NRA TV, nowhere to be found. It was a black judge who released Kenneth Walker. The cops again tried to charge him with attempted murder. He is a law abiding citizen, has a permit. He was defending himself. I'm glad this DA did this. But again, where are all those Second Amendment people standing up for a black man? We already know, Roland, that the Second Amendment in this country does not count if your skin is black or brown, period. And we've seen this time and time again.

This is one of those tragic cases where we would have hoped that someone who is a card-carrying and legal gun owner was able to receive some types of protections for literally being in his home and defending his girlfriend. Like, there is a point where all of the conservative rhetoric falls apart, a point where all of the NRA rhetoric falls apart, because at the moment when they should have stepped forward in terms of arguing for the support of someone, we consistently watch it fail if the person is not a white man who is doing it. So it's bothersome to me that the NRA still pushes all of the protect yourself. We're using the right to bear arms. We want to make sure that everyone is a legal gun owner and everyone has the right to carry and everyone has access and open access to guns legally.

However, when you're in a situation and you're a minority who has the same legal right to defend yourself under the Constitution of the United States, everything seems to be flipped. And those spokespeople, those people who you mentioned earlier, are silent as church mice. We've seen it time and time again. At this point, I just want African-Americans to understand that in this country, the NRA, the Second Amendment apparently does not apply to you. And we've seen this over the course of time.

And I don't think it's going to change any time too soon. Those folks, when they talk about gun rights, they're talking white gun rights. They are not talking about you. Thank goodness, Greg, you had a DA with enough sense not to take this thing further. Yes, I give Commonwealth Attorney Tom Wyant, Commonwealth State's Attorney, Commonwealth Attorney Tom Wyant, absolutely no credit. He is doing the prudent thing in order to perhaps secure a conviction down the road. At that same press conference, he said that he could bring this back to the grand jury a second time once the FBI and the Kentucky attorney general have finished their investigation. And he said it isn't clear yet what happened. At the same time, he launched into a stern and strong defense of the police, said that they knocked six or seven times, played an audio of Walker saying that they knocked, although they didn't announce themselves as police, according to Walker.

And so, no, he absolutely gets no credit. Who gets credit, I think, is is you, meaning black media, black news media, particularly this show, and people all over the country who rose in outrage and forced the hand of this person. We should never personalize actions like this. We need to think of them strategically and understand that it is the power of collective action that forces the hand of folks like this and that he can still go back to the law. The only other thing I say in that same press conference today, he noted that Brother Walker was hitting the femoral artery. And he said that had he not had a wallet in his pocket at the time, there's a very real possibility that he could have bled out and died himself that night.

So, no, no credit for wine. Let's wait and see what happens. And let's intensify the pressure. Joseph, your thoughts. Well, again, there's a through line through all of this, right? I mean, the NRA, the police actions, it's all a piece, right? Dating way back to the 1800s and even beyond. I mean, it's about the power of the state and the power of violence being used against black bodies. It's a through line. It's a continuum. And people feel like this is the right that they have, especially when they view a black person as either an offender or an instigator or some kind of criminal. So it doesn't surprise me in the least that the district attorney is trying to bring back charges or reserving his place in there. But it also

indicates to me that it was quite a thing for the judge to release this man, especially when the police are still intent on charging him. And this is another reason why we need more black attorneys, more black judges, and one reason why the court system will inherently remain unfair until we do. All right, folks. Today, in an interview on the Breakfast Club, Joe Biden was interviewed by Charlemagne and they covered a number of topics. And so what I want to do is I want to first show you top of the show. So here was a video. It was about an 18 minute long video told about minutes, originally scheduled for 10 minutes. They talked about the whole issue of first, does the Democratic Party take African-Americans for granted? Here's part of that discussion. Okay, first, that's the wrong clip, okay? So control room, get it together.

I specifically want to hear the clip where he was talking about, when he was asked a question about black voters being taken for granted by the Democratic Party. Play that. Now, this is the end of the interview, and this is the part that as Republicans all stirred up, as well as some African-Americans. All right, folks, right now is Paris Denard. He is head of African-American outreach for the Trump campaign. Paris, you sent out a tweet today, excuse me, an email that said Charlemagne Tha God rips Biden for avoiding his radio show, saying he owes black people his political life. Just curious, has Donald Trump done the Breakfast Club? I don't know if the president has been invited to the Breakfast Club.

Well, has he done has he done any of the nationally syndicated black radio shows? Not not to my knowledge. I don't know if he has, but I certainly know that his people in his administration. But has he? Has he? Because this obviously Biden is a candidate. I can tell you right now on this show. Well, first of all, my news one now show and this one we've tried. And it was actually Trump's idea to do a sit down. But they haven't even done that. And so if if if a team Trump is talking about Biden, his comments to black media, but Trump hasn't made any effort to talk to black media, any of these national shows, don't you think you sound pretty hypocritical? Because you have an answer. Trump hasn't answered any of these questions from black media folks.

Well, I know, Roland, you've been invited to the White House to talk to the president before the State of the Union several times. No, twice, twice. So but again, in one of those meetings, in one of those meetings, in one of those meetings, Trump said that he would do it. He would do a do he would sit down with me and Ben Carson. I've sent multiple emails to Mercedes Schlapp, Kellyanne Conway, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, as well as Hogan Gidley. Hasn't happened. That's been three years. Well, it looks like he's tying the record with President Obama. But I think at the end of the day.

No, that's actually not true. First of all, President Obama was sworn in on January 2009. I interviewed President Barack Obama in January 2010. So, no, you're wrong. I think he's tying the record with President Obama in terms of engagement with black media, but I think he surpassed- Hold on, hold on, based upon what? Hold on, based upon what? Based upon a whole host of people complaining for multiple years about the lack of access that was given to the black press, the black media. No, no, no. I can tell you that's an absolute lie. Because first of all, again, one year in, I sat down with President Barack Obama. I know for a fact that I also helped set the interview

with President Barack Obama on the Tom Jordan Morning Show. Donald Trump hasn't done any of these black media outlets. So what I'm saying is y'all really shouldn't try to even talk about that because you have no record. Well, actually, we do. I'm glad you brought up a record because we do have a record to run on. And that's what we're proud to do. What we're going to do. What's the record? Well, the record is very clear. The record of unprecedented HBCU support, the record on criminal justice reform, the record on his executive order on kidney disease and kidney health, the record on supporting school choice, which I know is something that you support as well as HBCU. Let me ask you this question. You talked about record. Does the Trump administration also endorse stopping consent decrees of police departments from the Department of Justice? Yes or no? I'm not here to speak on behalf of the Trump administration. No, no, no. Hold on. But that's what you are. You just said the Trump administration has a record.

And you're talking about that whole issue in terms of what they've done for African-Americans. One of the first actions of Jeff Sessions as Attorney General was to go against the consent decree in Baltimore. In fact, a federal judge overruled him. He went against the consent decree in Chicago. Then he gave a speech before the very law enforcement groups said they were pulling back on consent decrees because they were hurting the morale of police officers. Attorney General William Barr endorsed that. Donald Trump endorsed that. Second, you talked about the whole issue of First Step Act. Also, the Trump Department of Justice to reverse the rules of Eric Holder saying go for the maximum sentences that you can. When Eric Holder was trying to slow down mass incarceration by saying you have to go for the maximum sentences.

The Trump administration brought back private prisons on the federal level. Do those things count in your criminal justice plan? Roland, you can try to give cover to Joe Biden. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I haven't mentioned Joe Biden. No, no, I haven't mentioned Joe Biden. I'm specifically talking about the Trump plan for black people. Did any of those things I just tell you happen?

Yes or no? Did any of the things that I just described happen? Let me ask you yes or no. Yes, but hold on. But you offered that. The fact of the matter is that it's yes. The fact of the matter is the president has... Hold on. I answered your question. The things that I mentioned, did they happen? Yes or no? The things

that I mentioned, did they happen? Yes or no? I answered yours. Can you answer mine? I am sure, because you are an astute journalist, that those things did happen. Yes, they did. Okay. But those things do not take away the fact

that Joe Biden says bigoted things, like he said today, that was insulting, things that should have never been said, that Ambassador Patrick Gaspard said that he have never been said, that Ambassador Patrick Gaspard said that he wouldn't have said even in jest. But it doesn't take away from President Trump's impressive record for the black community that any Democrat or any Republican running for the second term would love to have.

Actually, I would disagree with that one. But I got to ask you this here. I got to ask you this here. Can you respond to the rollback of civil rights protections in various departments in the Trump administration? Can you respond to the Department of Labor suspending the affirmative action rules, which have been imposed by the National Urban League, Mark Morial, imposed by Congresswoman Bonnie Coleman, even during the middle of COVID? Can you respond to any of that? What I can respond to is the fact that the Department of Labor did a rule change that made it so that the millions of people that looked like you and me that were left out of the health care system because of Obamacare, who still cannot

afford health care, were given the ability to pull themselves together from geography or by industry and tap into health care and receive it at a more affordable price like a big company would be able to do. Are y'all taking, you trying to take credit for the Affordable Care Act? No, by no means. I'm glad we got rid of the individual mandate. What I'm saying is because of the Obama, in spite of Obamacare, there were still millions of Americans that were small business owners, more specifically, that were left out of the system and still could not afford health care because of a rule change from the Department of Labor under the Trump administration.

They made it possible for these small businesses to pull together by geography and by industry and and then get access to affordable health care because they were left out and couldn't afford it even under Obamacare. So I got to ask you, African-American uninsured rate dropped by more than a third because of the Affordable Care Act. But y'all want to get rid of the Affordable Care Act, but you have no replacement. And so how can you say you want to improve the health of African-Americans when you have no plan to do so? And if you have a plan, where is it? Because I haven't seen it. Well, the Congress has put forth multiple plans. Who? But the most... Hold on, which Congress?

The Republican Congress, when this was taken up, I believe the last Congress had multiple plans for it. No, no, no, no, no. Actually, no, they haven't. In fact, they've been waiting for Trump because he keeps saying he has no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, American, period, who cannot afford to go into the hospital should not use economics as or socioeconomics as an excuse or a reason to not go. Because of the CARES Act supported by the president and moves by the administration, if you want to get a test, you can get a test. If you want to get a test.

Yes, Roland, coronavirus. Hold on, that's not true. There are African-Americans who I know who still can't get tests. So you're actually trying to tell me right now that if any American wants a coronavirus test, they can get one right now? I'm going to take it a step further, Roland, and help educate you and your audience.

If anybody right now, especially in the black community, needs to get a coronavirus test, they can do so, number one. Where? Where? Where? The Trump administration has put forth tons of resources as it relates to community centers and testing. If you saw that over 100,000 through FEMA testings were sent to Detroit specifically. Well, I was told we're supposed to have drive by testing.

And there's a big old news conference in the Rose Garden with Walgreens and CVS and Walmart, none of that has actually happened. Well, Roland, what has happened is if anybody that needs to be tested or anybody who is hospitalized for COVID-19, any COVID-19-related health issues, you do not have to worry about paying for it if you cannot afford it. So you're saying, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, I'm going to go back to what you said. So you're saying that if anybody out hold on. No, no, no, I'm going to go back to what you said. So you're saying that if anybody out there who wants a COVID-19 test anywhere in the country,

they can get it right now? Yes, and- Wow, that's breaking news. That is not breaking news. Actually, it is. It's not, well, I'm glad to break it to you. And I'll also break it to you and your audience that if you can't afford it, you can still go and get care for COVID-19.

So let's not use economics as a reason why we don't go and get the care that we need because of the disproportionate impact of COVID-19. You spoke about it. But at the end of the day, what I was brought on to talk about and to address is the bigoted comments of Joe Biden today that were insulting and disgusting. And to any free thinking, independent minding black American out there, Joe Biden, a 77 year old white man in quarantine in his basement is telling us how it how we have to vote and what we need to vote. And if we dare vote outside of how he wants us to vote, he's taking away our black card. It's despicable. It's disgusting. And we should not tolerate that. It was offensive. Were you offended when Ralph Reed said that Christians, is there more obligation to vote for Trump in 2020?

All Christians. I don't find that to be an offensive comment. It's not. So if you're a Christian and then you don't support Trump, he said, Ralph Reed literally said, it's the moral obligation of all Christians to render to God and render to Trump. Well, I don't know if he said render to God and render to Trump. Actually, he did. It's actually in his book. Congratulations. I didn't read his book, but I will tell you.

No, but he's a white conservative evangelical. So if you're criticizing Joe Biden for this, do you criticize— And I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican,

and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I'm a Republican, and I certain things morally, and I find them irreprehensible. So I'm asking again, I'm asking again, if you criticize, Paris, if you're criticizing Joe Biden, if you're criticizing Joe Biden for this, when you have a governor of Virginia who is proudly putting on blackface and supports infanticide and late-term abortions, and when you have things like that, yes, morally, I'm against it. And so are you also as a black conservative? Do you stand with Donald Trump or black conservative Colin Powell when it comes to voter suppression house being specifically targeted as African-Americans? Have you called out Donald Trump and the Republican Party for their full embracing of voter suppression,

such as what we've seen in North Carolina, where federal judges ruled there was a laser-like targeting of black voters. Have you done that? Is that morally offensive? Is it morally offensive for Republicans to have a laser-like targeting of black voters to suppress their vote? Yes or no? I don't, well, I disagree that Republicans have a laser-like focus on trying to suppress the black vote. Paris, a panel of federal judges, Paris, that wasn't an actual ruling. Republicans in North Carolina literally asked, when are African-Americans voting in early voting? They were shown that 70% voted during the first week of early voting, and they changed the rules to keep black folks from voting during that period. A federal judge has ruled that there was a laser-like targeting of black voters. So are you

actually—so I'm just—we're curious. Is that morally offensive to you as a black man, as a Pentecostal black man, that white Republicans would target black voters like that in North Carolina. Yes or no? Is it offensive to you that the Democrat Party is the party of infanticide and continues to be the leading cause of death? Actually, you don't answer a question with a question, but I'll be more than happy to answer your question. But can you answer my question? Actually, Roland, I am able to do that because I'm a free thinking black man. I can do whatever I day. Well, OK, but it's a morally offensive answer. The question freedom and opportunity. Answer the question.

Biden, are you are you offended? Are you offended that Republicans in North Carolina had a laser like targeting of black voters trying to keep them from voting. Does that offend you? I'm offended by the efforts right now of Democrats that are trying to make mail-in voting the thing of what we're doing, knowing that it is not only dangerous for black Americans, not only that there are several accounts of many blacks on the left side of the political aisle who raise the problems with mail-in voting. That's why the RNC has put out protectthevote.com. First of all, if I recall, the greatest, the great for us to not have a all mail-in ballot system. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Nice try trying to flip it. But the greatest example of voter fraud with the hoarding of ballots took place by Republicans in North Carolina, where the Republican Party had to admit there need to be a whole new election that actually happened.

What I still don't understand is this here. What I still don't understand is why is it? Because here's the deal. When you say free thinking, see, free thinking, black man has the ability to call out stuff on the left or on the right in the middle. It doesn't matter. But when you see you actually being a partisan black Republican, when you're afraid to even stand with Colin Powell, who gave a speech and the governor of North Carolina, a Republican, was sitting in the audience and he called them out for their attacks on black people voting. But you can't even say that the laser like targeting and black voters was morally wrong. I am not going to allow you or Joe Biden to offend me or the millions of black people like me. I didn't offend you. That we can think for ourselves. Yes, I'm a partisan, but I'm also a free thinker. And

it's offensive for many people out there, young black Americans especially, who want to look and examine the records of both sides, look at the parties, and have a fair and open mind to determine who they want to vote for and to do so by looking at their interests. And for them to say, and for you and for others to then question their blackness or. No, I'm sorry. First of all, hold on, hold on, hold on. See, see, see, see right here, Paris. See, this is the mistake that you know, because the reality, Paris, you would have never signed your CNN contract if I didn't put you on the air. And here's the deal. You know this. I never, I never allowed anybody to call you a sellout, to call you a coon, to call you an Uncle Tom. I do not

allow people to use that language to any black person, whether they are Republican or Democrat, whether they are HOTEP, whether they are Christian, it does not matter. I don't allow it. So one, that's a lie. It's a lie for you to sit here and say what you just said, because I don't allow it. Now, we want to have a free black man conversation again, as a black man, as a black, as a black man, as a black, here's what I want to know. Again, when you talk about standing up for something, when you talk about what's right, you talked about there are Democrats who are pro-choice, Republicans who are pro-life. I've been highly critical of Republicans who call themselves pro-life, but say nothing when black men get gunned down, who say nothing when they get shot. See, here's the whole piece. Either you're pro-life or you're pro-life only in the womb.

Now, see, do you want to have that conversation? I'm more than willing to have it with you because here's what I do know. The man you're supporting has stood before and has criticized progressive district attorneys, black DAs who are trying to end mass incarceration. He has said we're going to pull back on consent decrees. And so, again— It's laughable, Roland, that you were going to pull back on consent decrees. And so again- It's laughable, Roland, that you are going to sit here- It did happen? To your audience and ignore Joe Biden's-

Oh, no, no, no, no. See, hold up. I can't ignore it. On mass incarceration and try to flip it- No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. See, here's what you're wrong. Who you know- Here's what you're wrong. Was responsible for criminal justice reform that has actually impacted thousands of black men- But here's what you're wrong. Here's what you're wrong. For criminal justice reform. Here's where you're wrong with our families, our community and our and our citizens. See, Paris, do yourself a favor. Paris, do yourself a favor and go to YouTube. Go to YouTube, Paris.

Paris, do yourself a favor. Paris, Paris, do yourself a favor. Paris, do yourself a favor. Paris, do yourself a favor. Inform your audience of something. On what? What's that? In my CNN contract, and your producers knew that, I made it very clear that I wanted a carve out for TV and your show. I know.

I got that. No. And so it was not because of you because I was doing media long before your show. I know I got that. No. And so it was not because of you because I was doing media long before your show. But it was out of respect to you and your platform that I asked for

a carve out which didn't happen. But because of your ego and because of your ego and getting fired from CNN and being jealous of progress you refused to put me back on the show after I had the because of your ego and getting fired from CNN and being jealous. Actually, I didn't get fired from CNN. You refused to put me back on the show. That's not true.

After I had the contract knowing full well I had a car out for your show. No, no, no, Paris, Paris, that's not true. Paris, it's not true. You don't want to have the truth. Paris, it's not true. You don't want to stand up against the Democrats. Paris, I was still against Democrats. You want to flip the script and not talk about Joe Biden tonight.

No, Paris, Paris, here's where you're wrong. Paris, here's where you're wrong. See, Paris, let me break this down for you. You can go to YouTube and see the number of conversations we've had about Joe Biden and his criminal justice plan. We've actually done that. Hold on, hold on. Let me also help you out.

Let me help you out, Paris. I have a two-hour show. And guess what? I'm not going to be here for two hours. Paris, Paris, Paris, you're not going to be here two hours because I'm not going to waste that time. I have Latasha Brown from Black Voters Matter. Let's go. I have a panel of three people. If you're if you're afraid, I have a panel of three people who are going to be discussing all of that. So trust me, you don't program the show. But I will say this here. If you are going to dare to criticize Joe Biden for not doing black media, your boss has done your email in the email you

sent out. Your boss hasn't done black media. Your boss hasn't. Your boss hasn't consented. Your boss. The Trump campaign. When we launched Black Voices for Trump, we made a significant effort with money, quite frankly, to have paid. No, no, no, that's not what I asked. Has Donald Trump, has Donald Trump, no, no, no, no, no, answer the question. Did Donald Trump sit down with Tom Joyner before he retired? Has Donald Trump talked to Steve Harvey, D.O. Hughley, Erica Campbell, Ricky Smiley, Joe Madison? Has Donald Trump talked to Steve Harvey, Dio Hughley, Erica Campbell, Ricky Smiley, Joe Madison? Has Donald Trump talked to any of them?

I'm glad, yes. The answer is yes. And when he did meet with Steve Harvey, the black community came after him so viciously. That's not what I just told you. Has Donald Trump done an interview with Steve Harvey on his radio show? Yes or no? No, but he has met with Steve Harvey. That's not what I asked. I asked you,

has Donald Trump done interviews on the air with Steve Harvey, Tom Jones before he retired, Ricky Smiley, D.O. Hughley, Joe Madison, Erica Campbell, Dee Dee, all the nationally black syndicated radio shows. Has he done any of them? No, but he has met

with black journalists. Okay, gotcha. On a local level. So he won't talk to any of these nationally syndicated radio shows, which actually are the largest reaching black audiences. He hasn't done any of those, right? He hasn't done it yet. Okay, but he will?

He hasn't done it yet. Will he? He's not afraid. No, no, no, but will he? I can't speak for the campaign Okay, so how about this here Why is it that in three years Donald Trump Hasn't bothered to even speak in the National Urban League

Or the NAACP He's been invited Just See, that's the problem I'm asking you a question Why hasn't Donald Trump Why hasn't Donald Trump, president hasn't Donald Trump, president... Stop talking and let somebody respond.

Why hasn't he done it? The answer is just because he doesn't go to a convention doesn't mean that he's not speaking with and working with the urban league. I would like to inform you and the audience. I first of all... That's the old tired way

of thinking. No, actually it's not a 40 minute. George W. Bush, George W. Bush spoke to the early five times in eight years. I was responsible for him going to the NAACP with Bruce Gordon. So when it comes down to giving a five to 10 minute speech or actually having real policy and working together. That's what this administration has been doing from day one, reaching out, working with the National Action Network, the National Urban League, the NAACP, working with the National Association of the National Bankers Association, which is all of our black owned banks. This is what this administration

is doing behind the scenes because they won't give credit for it, but it's fine. But they are working long before COVID-19, but during COVID-19 and before through the Opportunity Revitalization Council and other leaders within the administration and the cabinet. That is how you get things done for the community. So Roland, if you want somebody to give a 10-minute speech, congratulations. No, actually, actually, actually, actually, actually, actually, it's not 10-minute speech. It's not 10-minute speech, but again, I outline. So you continue to give cover to Joe Biden and his bigoted comments.

I want to know. I want to know. And I understand what Bob Johnson said. And he said he should spend the rest of his campaign apologizing to every black person he meets because he represents the arrogant, out of touch attitude of paternalistic white candidates who have the audacity to and wants to tout, first of all, who calls the first black president incompetent. Somebody who stands here and talks about criminal justice reform, but does not. that he has chosen not to stand up for black folks and brown folks in these cities when it comes to these police departments, who is given law enforcement cover. That's what he has done. A Department of Justice that has done nothing when it comes to voter suppression, who stands on the side of those who want to keep folks from voting.

When the Obama Department of Justice stood with the black and brown people in Texas, when it came to their voter ID, Trump wins and they completely go to the other side and stand with the folks who want, even though five federal judges said that voter ID in Texas was discriminatory. So, see, here's the deal. We can talk record,

but we're going to talk about the whole record, not a little bit, because also on this show, we talk about the whole record, not a little bit, because also on this show, we talk about the whole record of Joe Biden as well. Because see, nobody gets a pass, including your guy. No, he's our president. No, actually,

maybe we're clear with you. No, no, actually, here's the deal, though. I said this here, I said this in February 2017, I said it in February. Oh, please. Please. I said it in February 2017. That's the truth. Here's the deal. I will never call somebody president who can't even respect the office of president.

So he's Donald Trump. Paris and I are. Thanks a bunch. Now we talk about my panel. We appreciate it. All right, folks. Thanks a lot, Paris. Let's go right to Latashaasha ready? Let me know. Latasha Brown is ready. All right. Latasha Brown, co-founder of Black Voters Matter. Latasha, what do you make of, again, all of this? Folks are saying Joe Biden was being paternalistic and condescending. Now you've got Republicans who are, you know, Donald Trump Jr., I'm going to pull up, tweeted this out. Now they're trying to sell T-shirts because they think the way to get to black people, the black vote is to sell some shirts.

And so this is the shirt that they're selling now. Hashtag you ain't black, Joe Biden. And again, here's the deal. Paris really didn't want to answer all that stuff, that anti-black stuff Donald Trump has been doing. What did you just make of all the drama today? You know, one, let me say to you, you have the patience of Job. I will just let you know, my brother, you have a tremendous amount of patience. Secondly, the last person in the world that I think we should even be given the time or the energy around having a conversation around racism and bigotry is anybody that is associating and lifting up Trump at this moment. And so what I will say is that it is fundamentally, let's be honest, fundamentally, racism is a problem on the left side, on the right side, on throughout the fiber of this country

that we are dealing with racism. And so ultimately and fundamentally, I don't think even for me, while I do work and I support work mostly because of on the Democratic candidate side, is because the Republicans don't even pretend to give you anything to work with. You know, I think the comments that, let's just get down to it. The comments that Biden made today were not only cavalier and insensitive, but it actually talks about underneath that. It really points to a greater issue and is a greater issue around how the Democratic Party historically, the Democratic Party has taken black folks for granted that on some level that there's always this element around taking black

people and the black vote for granted because there's this idea that we don't have anywhere to go. And so I think that that's one piece. What was some truth in what he said that I think we would think about is what he spoke to is he spoke to around Trump, that black folks are acutely aware of the racist nature of Trump, that how he aligns himself with white supremacists, and that many of us think that he's a white supremacist himself, and that because of that, that we are acutely aware of the danger in a way that white folks fail to, white people across the board, including white Democrats, fail to ignore, fail to acknowledge, fail to address. And so fundamentally, to the extent that I think of what he raised,

I think there's some truth into that. What the question is for me right now is not just spending time around just his comment. I think the comment has, I hope it has some folks, their ears perked out and their eyes, that we're saying, okay, how we gonna go forward? What is really important is not just what he says, right? Because there's a whole bunch of people that have told us what they're going to do and how they believe.

And they love black folks. They say all the right things. And, you know, I think ultimately what right now, and I'll go back to even the op-ed that we worked on right now, is going to go, how is he, what are we going to see come out of the Biden campaign now that's really going to, one, acknowledge, right, the contribution of Black folks by, one, making sure that the Black agenda, that there is within his agenda, that there is a Black agenda that meets our needs, two, that he adequately really addressed what we were talking about in terms of the priorities our communities are going to, and three, if nothing else, if today didn't show me anything else, it is the quintessential example. You can get a better example of why I fundamentally believe that he needs not, we're asking him something because we're asking him to do something for us necessarily.

He needs a black woman. That in his campaign, he has a major weakness as it comes to structural racism, how to address that, even in terms of how he sees Black voters. I think that is really important that if we want, even if we're talking about the swing vote, you know, if we're talking about even the Midwest in which Amy Klobuchar was supposed to be leading the candidate for VP to lead on the, to be able to pull the Midwestern working class voters. I mean, at the end of the day, isn't that why black folks in South Carolina elected him? I mean, part of them voted for him because they thought that he, which he says that he is a candidate that can consolidate

the white Democrats and also that he was a candidate for white working class. So fundamentally, what is in that ticket? What he needs on that ticket is he needs a black woman on that ticket to both energize the base, to actually add some depth in his campaign around structural racism. Also to make sure that there is that the perspective of black voters, those who in many times, let's be honest, black voters raised him from the dead. We did a Lazarus move like his campaign was dead on arrival. There are black voters that raised him from the dead. We did a Lazarus move. Like, his campaign was dead on arrival. There are Black voters that raised him from the dead. What we can't get caught up in, and I think that we don't need to let this conversation, where the spin cycle, let's be clear, that Trump and his crew have this spin cycle that at the end of the day, I'm like, boy, bye. At the end of the day,

to really be able to use this, to try to use as an example of the saying oh yeah look how racist he is on some level black folk know that racism it's particularly in this country that we've seen it on on the most liberal side right that we know that and we are more sophisticated we should be more sophisticated to really be able to recognize that and really recognize the spin so i think that instead of even just focusing on the comment, which the comment was absolutely, he shouldn't have said the comment and it was offensive, but it speaks to something greater that didn't start with Biden, right? That actually is entrenched within this democratic party, that in some way black voters are not taking in our agenda and

how we're prioritized is not taken for granted. I think what is important for us to do right now is not to get caught up in the spin cycle that the Republicans are trying to do, but really, this is the moment right now that we've got to push the envelope, that this is the moment now that we've got to push and you've got to earn our vote. You can't take for granted. At the end of the day, we're not voting just so we can participate. The reason why we're voting is because we want our participation

to literally transform into some power for our community, some harm reduction in our community. I know that there was a comment by the campaign made that that was a comment made in jest. In many ways, that's even more offensive. What is it

about Black voters that we can feel the confidence around making a comment? And just know he made a comment. He was out of order. It was wrong. He should back it up. But the way that he moves forward and being able, I don't think that all is lost. what we need to see is we need to see his campaign more aggressively show us that they are serious about black voters, that they are serious about earning black voters, that we see the demands of what people are asking for be addressed and addressed in a way that doesn't minimize what we're seeing, but really addressed in a way that he understands the seriousness because there is no path to the White House without black voters. Well, see, here's what fundamentally fundamentally bothers me. And again, I sort of look at this thing as a meal. Now, you give me

the appetizer and then say, how was the meal? And I'm like, where in the hell was the entree and where was the dessert? So I can't judge a meal based upon just the appetizer that's right and so when i watch the administration when i watch uh this administration do what they try to do the day again and they they all riled up senator tim scott he out there with katrina pearson uh talking about this was condescending and it was all of this. While you run in your mouth, I do have to say, but where are you? Because, see, it's a little hard. I'm going to go back to my cooking analogy.

It's a little hard for somebody to trash somebody else's cooking if they can't cook. And what bothers me is what i'm sitting here which is why i wanted parents to answer those questions see you have credibility with me if one you can own up to your shit that's first if you can say you know what you're right we should have done that but when you deflect when you want to say no no, no, no, no. We're going to talk about all that. Let's just stick to what Joe Biden had to say. Right. Because the other deal is here. I don't only measure Joe Biden by the comment he made today. I don't only measure Joe Biden by the 1994 crime bill. I look at somebody's totality. The fundamental problem that I have here, and this is what for me, it breaks it all down.

The Republican Party as a party has a bull's eye on black people. Absolutely. Let me just be clear. The Republican Party as a party, top to bottom, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, where they passed a bill essentially making it criminal for you to register people to vote. And they were targeting, let's be honest, groups like Black Voters Matter. When you look at what happens in Florida, when you have Amendment 4 that's passed that restores the voting rights to 1.4 million people. I was waiting for Republicans to come forward. And what did they do? Not only did they change the law by saying you've got to pay all your fines, they even changed the law to make it harder to do ballot initiatives in the future. And now we can then go to Louisiana and we can go to Mississippi and we can go to

Texas and then we can go to the Midwest. We can go on and on and on. And so my problem is, if y'all as a party want to have a discussion about Joe Biden's comment, let's talk. But your stuff will be discussed. And trust me, it won't go very well. See, that's the fundamental issue I have here. Latasha, you know, I think part of it, you know, I on some level, let me say this, what I'm doing, organizing and doing this work for more than 25 years. You know, what I do know is that black folks are stupid. There are some you will always have some. You can't win them all. Right. But at the end of the day, we ain are stupid. There are some, you're going to always have some. You can't win them all, right? But at the end of the day, we ain't stupid, right? And even the voters in our community,

when we hear that, like, we know. Like, it wasn't, it's not. So I think on some level, you know, they are creating, you know, even when I saw the T-shirt and it said, I ain't black, I was like, perhaps that's a self-fulfilling prophecy that you have for yourself. But so, so at the end of the day, like, and I think we're in such a serious moment self-fulfilling prophecy that you have for yourself. So,

at the end of the day, I think we're in such a serious moment that from talking about even the Republicans of how they're going to spin this, I think, yes, we do need to let folks know, right? On some level, I think that Black folks, you know, Black folks know that there's a certain astuteness that we

have. But secondly, I think it's even, you know, black folks know that there's a certain astuteness that we have. But secondly, I think it's even more important that when we're talking about like this comment, right, that he made that we don't just get caught up and hung up on the comment. And then now it becomes a spin cycle. Right. Because I'm in in itself becomes the energy and a fuel for for the for the Republicans. But then there's a there's a family conversation. Right. Family conversation around black voters is absolutely that comment was out of order. It was offensive. It was insensitive. It was out of order. And it does speak to the issue that we have had ongoing with white white Democrats, Republicans alike, that in this country, fundamentally, that black folks, that literally when we're talking about voter suppression, right, when we're talking about literally equating that to power, at the end of the day, you know, one of the pieces I think is interesting, and one of the comments, you know, in the comment that Biden made, he said, you know, he talked about Trump,

and that there was this assumption that in some ways that he's better than, because he's better than Trump, that black folks are going to go with him. Now, what he is right about is he's better than Trump, but that's a real low bar, Roland. Like, to be better than Trump is a real low bar, right? Ultimately, I think what we have to do is really be able to center this conversation, not about Biden, not about Trump, but about us. That this conversation for us, for black voters,

has to be centered around Black folks. Right now, well, we've got more Black folk that we are disproportionately dying than anybody in this country. Right. From COVID-19. When our people are locked up like we are animals more than anybody else in this country. When we're actually seeing folks get out of jail on a get out of jail free card because of a virus. Yet we've got brothers and sisters sitting in jail right now that haven't even been officially charged, right, that they won't let out. I think that's fundamentally the issue because fault in this

is not just about the candidates. Structural racism is embedded in the very fabric of this country and in the political systems and in the political parties. I'm raising that because I think that we have to be strategic, that those of us that do this work, those of us that bring criticism, but those of us that know that Trump is absolutely dangerous and we can't fall for the okey-doke around Trump being dangerous, but we also have to hold the Democrats and we've got to hold Biden accountable. What I am saying is Biden has an opportunity at this moment. You said something that literally has created, you made your own bed, that has created an issue around with Black folks and Black folks are going to be looking at your record a little bit closer as they should. Black

folks are going to be holding you accountable at a higher standard as they should. Black folks are going to be putting pressure on you to really be able to deliver for us as we should. And so ultimately I think, well, we've got to make sure that we're centering this conversation is what in the hell is it that we want? That what are we going to ask for? That's going to provide some harm reduction for our community,

that this is a moment of seriousness for us. And then as we go forward and we can't get caught up. Let me be clear. We can't get caught up in the spin cycle of the Republicans, those who seek to kill us. Those who literally will open up states when they know, like when they know that we are disproportionately dying. So let's not, like, we're not going for the okie doke, right?

But ultimately, we also have to keep the pressure on to make sure that whoever that when we cast our vote, that who we're casting our vote for has a clear understanding of the value of our vote, the value of our lives and are going to be accountable to that. Well, that's why that's what a conversation has to be. And that's why. First, that's why I responded to somebody online earlier, and they were talking about, well, we're going to get the same from Biden as we're going to get from Trump. And they said we should focus on lower ballots. And I had to remind them that there are about 870 federal judges in the United States.

Donald Trump has already appointed almost more than 200 of them. If Donald Trump wins four more years, he will likely appoint half of all federal judges in America, meaning those 35 to 45 year old and 88% of his judges have been white men. Then they're going to be in power on the federal bench for the next 40 to 50 years. I'm just saying. Latasha Brown, co-founder of Black Voters Matter. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you, sir. All right. I'm going to read this here.

I'll take your T-shirt. Well, you know I had to represent for you. I had to represent for you. All right, y'all. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. I do have to say this here. Vice President Joe Biden was on a call with black business leaders. This is what he said.

Quote, I should not have been so cavalier. I've never, never, ever taken the African-American community for granted. I shouldn't have been such a wise guy. I shouldn't have been so cavalier. No one should have to vote for any party based on their race, their religion, their background. All right, let's bring back my panel. Greg Carr, Misha Cross, Joseph Williams. I'll start with you, Amisha Cross. What do you make of Republicans with

the T-shirt and then, you know, Katrina Pearson out there, Senator Tim Scott, that whole conversation Paris had, how they are making this big old thing about it, as if there's not, forget a log in their eye, an oak tree in their eye. But go ahead. For independent thinkers, conservatives sure do follow the breadcrumbs Donald Trump leads them with every time. The interesting thing that I take away from this is that all of a sudden, after Joe Biden says something that was unsavory, though not racist, the actual racist have actually jumped on Twitter. The people who support racism, the people who, like you said before, are the folks who don't step out and say anything when you have issues of police brutality, are now jumping on this as if it's the thing that is going to let freedom ring for black people. It's interesting to me that when we talk about maternal mortality and we have a president in the White House who could do something when it comes to blacks in health care. He decides not to. When we talk about all of the inequities in education,

we have a president in the White House who could do something about that. He chooses not to. We have a president who stood by policing unions while black people were dying. And I think that there's just so much that has gone wrong with this administration to now see people who support Trump, who has made some of the most racist comments I've ever heard from anybody who set foot in the White House. We're talking about a president who has gone out of his way to demonize people, calling Black areas shithole, making fun of disabled people, calling Latinos rapists and murderers. That now all of a sudden they have the Republicans feel like they can jump on Joe Biden and now stand on the side of black people as now this is supposed to be our enlightened moment of sorts to move outside of the Democratic Party to now form this Brexit ideology. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. We have to call it for what it is. I do think that Joe Biden, even though I know it was

a joke, it looked like a joke at the time. It wasn't funny. However, I don't think that it's something that's going to move the needle in another direction for the black voters. The thing for me, in fact, I saw a tweet from the blaze grid car was this is a moment. This is a and it was a brother who wrote it and we tried to get him on. I guess he didn't want to spawn. This is a moment. This is a moment that the Republican Party can seize on to get black votes. Well, brother, I think, first of all, kudos to your patience. It's good to see Brother Paris. I thought once they bodied him with that Arizona state allegation that we may not see him for a while, but two and a half months ago when the Republican National Committee hired him as the organization's new senior communications advisor

for Black media affairs, they knew what they were doing. In many ways, Paris has set the paradigm, as we heard Sister Brown say, for distraction. He's very clear he's not going to answer any questions. And I thought the most accurate, authentic and truthful thing he said in that long back and forth, and again, kudos to your patience, brother, is that he has the freedom and opportunity. He's absolutely right. That doesn't mean the truth. That means I can do what I want and I can say what I want. And what is that opportunity? That opportunity is to make a living. You know, I'm sitting here and looking at Cargie Woodson's Miseducation of the Negro. And Woodson writes in Miseducation, he says, the real servant of the people will give more attention to those to be served than to the use that somebody may want to make of them. So I understand that Paris Denard is looking to make a living.

And he has come to the Republicans, like others, and said, like others, and said, you know, I can deliver the Black vote. Now, fortunately, Brother Denard, as many Black people listen to Paris Denard as probably listen to Sean Combs, as probably listen to our brother, Lenard McKelvey, who calls himself Charlemagne the God. In other words, they don't represent Black people. You know, what they represent is media and branding. So, you know, Joe Biden, and I wasn't really offended by Joe Biden's remarks because I know how to translate somebody trying to talk to Black communities with colloquialisms. And what Joe Biden said was actually probably accurate. If you look at, just take away everything else and just introduce the one example you just gave. A quarter of the federal bench has been appointed by white nationalists representing

other white nationalists. If they're reelected, there's going to be another quarter appointed. And all these people talking about there's not really much of a difference between the Democrats and Republicans are going to be faced with a real tragedy coming up. But that having been said, I'll finish with this. You know, it's very interesting when we hear those who are angling for a job to promote themselves not make a distinction in a two-party system between the Democrats who are beholding to power. Joe Biden is beholding to corporate interests. We know that when he had money going after Bernie Sanders. He has small money, middle class, working class rhetoric, but his money comes from the same

corporate pockets as the Republicans. The difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, of course, is that the Democratic Party is more susceptible to organized power from outside of it and gives us a better opportunity to attack for redistribution of resources and in the short term, prevent the third branch of the government, the judiciary, from coming down on us in a way that's going to force the destruction of the United States of America. The Republicans have dropped all pretenses. So whether it's a Tim Scott or Paris Denard or any of the other on the payroll Negroes who are looking to parlay some sense of representing Black people into their own individual worth, we're not talking about leadership on that side.

We're talking about individuals who are attempting to benefit individually, and they are free to seize that opportunity to do that for themselves. I apologize, Joseph Williams, that you got to follow that. Man, Brother Carl, I'm here tonight, and he's coming with the knowledge, which is actually correct. I mean, my two takeaway from both the discussion and the Biden, quote unquote, controversy is, yeah, you're absolutely right. It's distraction. It is not talking about the COVID-19 deaths that are skyrocketing in black communities or the fact that they need aid. On Biden's side, Charlemagne Tha God had a point.

I mean, voters get something when they vote for a candidate or they're supposed to. I just finished reading a history of the 1930, 1938 election in which FDR was was campaigning for the black vote and black activists and black intelligentsia went all in for him. And then when it came time for FDR to pay up, they had to make him because he was not going to do it out of his own altruistic heart. And in fact, he had a cabinet that was stocked with Southerners. So the only reason why African-Americans got some progress in the New Deal is because of pressure campaigns. Now, that's got to come to bear on Joe Biden, and it is right for him to be pressured about what he's going to do for the black vote, which, quite frankly, did save him. But on the other hand, there is clearly no choice between

Joe Biden and Donald Trump, especially when it comes to African-American communities. Donald Trump has a very long record. I mean, we're not even talking about things that happened this year. We're talking about things that happened in the Central Park Five, in being a landlord who did not rent to African-Americans, to the fact that he has very strong statements on the record about being negative on race that were far worse than anything Joe Biden even uttered, you know, probably in his lifetime. So, yes, politics is messy. Yes, this is a full controversy. Yes, it will go away. Yes, the black vote probably will stick with Joe Biden because there really isn't an alternative here. The thing here is this here. I think, Greg,

what you pointed out was on the point with those people, those of us who understand, as you said, how to translate. Because here's what I find to be interesting. Quinnipiac, a few days ago, came out with a poll, said 81% of African-Americans support Joe Biden, 3% support Donald Trump. Guess what black people said? Who the hell are the 3%? You named three of them now now now here's what i've also heard today well we can say that we can say that but he can't so i've sort of heard all of that again for me i don't get caught up in small stuff. I don't get caught up.

First of all, I ain't getting emotional. Let me be real clear, y'all. Every English teacher, I ain't. I ain't getting emotional over Joe Biden's comment today. Because of this here, I will put Joe Biden's comments today up against any attack Donald Trump has had against a black woman named Frederica Wilson,

Maxine Waters, Yamiche Alcindor, Abby Phillips, April Ryan, and the list can go on and on and on. See, that's why I ain't, see, Paris, like, no, no, I was booked to come talk about this here. No. If you think you're going to come here and only have a conversation about this,

it's sort of like when somebody go to marriage counseling and they go, hold on, hold up. Why are you talking to me? I came to discuss him no no we got to deal with you and see paris you can't walk up in here and think you only are going to talk about joe biden's comments and you not atone for what donald trump has done. And see, that to me is the is the fundamental issue, Greg, that I challenge them on, because you notice how for all of his free black man, Paris Denard did not have the guts to stand up for black people against the vicious voter suppression tactics of Republicans in North Carolina. So what that tells me, Paris, is your ass ain't really free. Well, it depends.

Then it wrong, because, again, you want to deconstruct this. You already have. But let's look at some very specific ways you engage Paris. Number one, you said I don't allow any black person to be called out of their name. That's very important because your definition of blackness isn't a political definition in that moment. It's basically saying you're a member of this group. You could have been, you could have had your tailbone busted out there at the store. So that definition of blackness is very broad. Joe Biden is signifying really almost on a political blackness. When he says you ain't black, he's saying you don't understand what's at stake here.

And again, Joe Biden is a flawed candidate. In the primaries, as far as I'm concerned on policy, Warren was better. Sanders was better. The millennial vote was supposed to be supporting Sanders, but we see that it only came out about a fifth of the electorate. Again, a challenge we have. But Biden was using black in a political sense, I'm convinced, even though he was using it phenotypically too. But the other thing you did with Paris is you challenged him on this question of morals. Let me go back to Woodson. Woodson says also, it has been said that Negroes do not connect morals with religion. The historian would like to know what race or nation does such a thing. Certainly the whites with whom the Negroes do not connect morals with religion. The historian would like to know what race or nation does such a thing. Certainly the whites with whom the Negroes have come into contact have not done so. Meaning what? In America, religion is a cultural and political weapon. The white extremists

use religion as white nationalism. That's why Ralph Reed can do that. But by you asking Paris to clarify whether he support what Ralph Reed said do that. But by you asking Paris to clarify whether he support what Ralph Reed said, you're forcing Paris into a position where he's gonna have to make a moral choice. Rather than make a moral choice, Paris made a political choice, finally leading to what you exposed. There are no morals in politics for some people. They do not equate morals with political behavior. So at the end of the day,

whether it be Joe Biden trying to win an election or Paris Denard trying to get a check, they're going to separate morals from politics to get what they want. And that's why, Amisha, the moment they try

to bring that up, you got to atone for your own stuff. You got to see, I ain't even hit Paris with the fact that one of the first things the Republicans did

after Trump was sworn in was they overturned the rules that Obama put in place that targeted discrimination against black people when it came to buying cars. When Maxine Waters said, I will not yield. Y'all seen that speech?

That was what they were debating on the floor. And guess who signed it into law? Donald Trump. See, so the moment Paris threw out morals, that's when I was like, oh, now y'all want to have a moral conversation. Come on. Oh, now y'all want to have a moral conversation. Come on. It's going to always be difficult to have a moral conversation when you have a president who doesn't care about how he talks to people. When you have a president who doesn't exhibit any bit of morality.

Choose when they will have morals and when they will not. And I saw how he kept deflecting, going back to infanticide, which, by the way, is not a function of the Democratic Party. A woman having the right to choose is not infanticide. So I'm glad that you tagged him on that. But it was also one of those things where he had a really hard time answering the most pertinent questions. When you asked him the one about religion, I thought that that was a very pivotal moment where he could have stepped up and said something. Because you can be religious, you can be Christian, you can be dynamic in the church, and you don't have to be someone who supports a specific candidate. Anyone who ties something to that is going to have it should be listed as problematic.

Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Amisha, don't forget Donald Trump challenged American Jews on how y'all support them when I stand with Israel. Same thing. He literally said, you ain't really Jewish if you opposing me. But I hear much about that. See, see, see, Joseph, this is what happens when you walk down that aisle. Then we got to deal with your stuff. And see, I ain't got no problem dealing with Joe Biden and his stuff. I ain't got no problem dealing with Trump and his stuff. But I am smart enough to stand back and say, all right, I got a 73 year old white man and a 77 year old white man. I got a,

I guess he a Republican and I got a Democrat. I know what you said. I know what you said. I know what you've done. I know what you've done. I now got to say for my 13 nieces and nephews, which one of you are going to put policies and people in place that are going to have either a positive or a negative impact on the future lives of my 13 nieces and nephews and their children's children. And I can tell you right now, with all that Trump has said and all that Biden has said, it damn sure not going to be Trump. Well, and even if you strip out the rhetoric, okay, watch what they do, not what they say. If you're talking about Donald Trump stripping away protections for discrimination and car buying, a COVID-19 crisis where black communities are hit twice as hard on some levels as white communities,

an administration that does not hesitate to stand with white supremacists. I mean, it's clear. And that's part of the issue here is that they're delineating a clear choice. And on some level, I think that the whole ginned up controversy about Joe Biden is more for white people than it is for black people. I mean, because black people know the deal when it comes to the Republican Party. It's very clear. 88 percent or north of 80 percent supporting Joe Biden, south of 5% supporting Donald Trump. That speaks volumes. And so if that's the case, and if African Americans do know what the deal is, then why bring this up at all? And I think it's for the comfort of white people. I think it's for the comfort of those folks who want to vote Republican, don't want to see Republicans as

racist, and are willing to like ignore a lot of these issues, except when it comes to these sorts of things that you can point the finger at Democrats. So that's my takeaway from it as well. And I think Donar pretty much did a good job of giving the game away on that score. And here's the deal. If I had to measure Obama era rules when it came to the school and prison pipeline and the discipline of black children. Go to my iPad. Go to my iPad. White House scraps Obama era school discipline guidance. I can go down the line and show you when parents like, oh, Donald Trump has done more for black people than Obama did in eight years.

Who got screwed the most by for-profit colleges? Black people. Who went after for-profit colleges? Obama and Biden. Who then stripped those Obama-Biden rules against for-profit colleges? Trump-profit colleges. Trump, Pence. Y'all, if they want to have this conversation,

we can have the conversation. But see, Paris also wants to sit here. Oh, nobody has done more for HBCUs than Donald Trump. Trump, yesterday, Greg said the HBCUs, they set.

When I hear the word set. In Detroit, first of all, as your colleague and our sister Jamel Hill noted yesterday, he stood at an auto plant in Detroit and praised an open racist anti-Semite named Henry Ford. And then sitting at a roundtable with some more of these folks that they hire, as Richard Pryor might say, a sister said, you should start a HBCU in Detroit. And he said, you know, that's a good idea. That might have been filler for you. That's a good idea. OK, boo, let's slow down, because it's very clear for all the critique of Joe Biden's fading mental acuity. We clearly see that something is very wrong with Donald Trump. And apparently, given the type of test that he's alleged to have being administered every day,

having perhaps as close to a 50 percent error rate, it may very well be that he's beset with COVID-19. But of course, his mental deterioration started before that. He then said, yeah, that's a good idea. OK, fool, if you start a black school in Detroit tomorrow, it's not a historically black college or university. Paris is just repeating talking points. And as we know, he set the template for the Trump supporter. This is the template for the Katrina Pearsons. This is the template for others. And of course, sadly, Tim Scott, who was elected office in South Carolina, is beholden to whatever forces that force him to repeat those things. When you are asked the direct question, you pivot, as we heard Amisha say, to the critique. You pivot to the attack.

So when it comes to historically black colleges, let's be very clear about that. Betsy DeVos, an open criminal, has been funneling coronavirus relief to her favorite private institutions in this crisis. HBCUs like Howard University, hospitals on the front line of dealing with the COVID crisis in the region, were critiqued by white absent legislators like that, I guess, the Congressman Matt Getz, who was like, why are they getting this money? Fool, do you understand that these are the places that are on the front line? And on this show, finally, you've been the only journalist, this is the only platform that has had the scientists from Meharry Medical College, that has consulted the head of the National Medical Association, that is dealing with the network, people like David McBride,

who've written about this, to talk about the black institution-based, including the three black medical schools and the places with hospitals, namely Howard University, Meharry, and Morehouse School of Medicine, that are the institutions that are standing in the gap for our people. Donald Trump has done nothing for HBCUs except try to do a little rebranding, give a few pennies and sign his name with legislation that comes through the United States Congress, where Senator Kamala Harris on the House side, on the Congress side, and the leaders of the HBCU initiatives on the House side have been the Congress side, and the leaders of the HBCU initiatives on the House side

have been able to push legislation through. He gets no credit. And like I said, being even handed, you'd have to look at Barack Obama and say he don't get much credit either, which is why if Joe Biden is elected, we have to be, to Joe's point, the force that as Roosevelt told A. Philip Randolph, to make me do it. And we will make them do it if we understand that politics isn't about a celebrity contest between individuals. It's about commanding power. And that's why when it comes to this show, we're going to hold folks accountable. We're going to challenge and we're going to push. But let me go. Let me say it again. I have looked at records. I've listened to what they've again. I have looked at records.

I've listened to what they've said. I've looked at what they've done. I've weeded out all the spin. And the reality is this here. Four more years of Donald Trump will not be productive for black America. And if there is a choice for black America as to who are we more than likely to actually be able to challenge and get a return on investment. It will be Joe Biden. Nowhere in there did I say either one is perfect. Nowhere in there did I say either one is going to be able to save us and deliver us. Because I remember writing a piece in Essence magazine that ran after Obama was elected to what Greg just said when I said we are going to have to push him to do what we need him to do. So all of these people, y'all, who are out here talking about the black agenda, make Biden commit. Let me be as clear to all of y'all today.

Making Biden commit to something right now ain't gonna mean a damn thing if he lose. Two, making Biden commit to something right now won't mean a damn thing if we are not organized and mobilized to then see it through if he does win. So for all the people out here who want to expend all of their energy on, I want to see the plan. I want to see all this right now. Y'all go right ahead. I've seen what he put out. I've seen what others have put out. I'm here to hold that feet to the fire if he wins. If you don't win, you can't do a damn

thing. If you don't vote, he can't win. If you don't register, you can't vote and he can't win. And then you can't see the stuff through. Because for all of what Paris said on Trump is meeting with the Urban League and meeting with the people over here. What's the fruits of that labor? Please, by all means, show me. And here's the other thing. And this is my last point before we go to a break. If you have been so great for black people, why are you afraid to come talk to black people? If Trump has done all of these amazing and incredible things for black people, now go back to the full box. If he's done all these incredible things for black people, why won't he go to the NAACP? Why won't he go to the National Urban League? If he has done

these unbelievable things in criminal justice, why won't he go talk to the National Bar Association? If he has done all of these incredible things for black health, why won't he go talk to the National Medical Association? If he has done these incredible things when it comes to black children and their teeth, why won't he go talk to the National Dental Association? Why won't he go talk to the National Association of Black Journalists? Why won't he sit down with a group of black media folks? Why won't he go sit down and go to talk to black syndicated radio? All parents say, oh, he's talked to local black people who...

But see, that's actually politics 101. I mean, if you do something great, take credit for it, make sure people know you take credit for it. That's all I'm saying. But the fact of the matter is this here. Joe Biden, the discussion that he had today, Donald Trump will never do.

He will never do. And if somebody is afraid, and let me just go ahead and go here, I'm just going to just bowl down your alley and sit in your pew. Amisha, if a young buck wants to date my niece, your ass can't drive by and honk the horn. You got to come into the house. Don Trump, you can send Paris by

honking the horn. You can send Katrina Pearson by honking the horn. Y'all can get cute with your little t-shirt and all of that, but unless you come to the door and come into the house and greet mama and daddy and aunt and uncle before you take out my niece, you might as well just keep on driving. I'll be back on Roller Marker Unfiltered. You want to support Roller Roland Martin Unffiltered.com. Our goal is to get 20,000 of our fans contributing 50 bucks each for the whole year. You can make this possible.

rolandmartinunfiltered.com. All these black folks are dying due to coronavirus. Churches are incubators. And then Donald Trump literally went to the podium today and said this nonsense. I'm identifying houses of worship, churches, synagogues, and mosques as essential places that provide essential services. Some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential, but have left

out churches and other houses of worship. It's not right. So I'm correcting this injustice and calling houses of worship essential. I call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now. If there's any question, they're going to have to call me, but they're not gonna be successful in that call. These are places that hold our society together and keep our people united. The people are demanding to go to church and synagogue, go to their mosque. Many millions of Americans embrace worship as an essential part of life. The ministers, pastors, rabbis, imams, and other faith leaders will make sure that their congregations are safe as they gather and pray. I know them well. They love their congregations.

They love their people. They don't want anything bad to happen to them or to anybody else. The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important, essential places of faith to open right now for this weekend. If they don't do it, I will. Trump actually said that if they don't do it, he's going to overrule the governors. He ain't got the power to do so. More than a week ago, Pastor Reginald Sharp out of Fellowship in Chicago dropped this video that got lots of attention. He's going back to worship around Chicago, I'm told, around the nation. Fellowship will not be one of those.

You can save your call. You don't have to call up to the church or wonder what us doing what we're going to do we're not coming back to church until the lord the righteous judge wakes me up out of my sleep and says it's time to come back to the building see to the church is still open the building is closed so while we're in this season the church is still open we're still worshiping we we're in this season the church is still open we're still worshiping we're still doing ministry every week and i thank god for it but we will not return into this building until the lord himself wakes me up out of my sleep slaps me three times

pours water from heaven on my face and warms my feet with the fire of the holy ghost and i have no choice but to jump out of my bed and say yes God until that moment happens you don't have to call us you don't have to email me you don't have to DM me we ain't coming back up in here until it is absolutely safe we'll be back in here when the NBA opens we'll be back in here when all the governor's mansions open for tours again we'll be back in here when the White House opens again for visitation. Until then, until all of their stuff, and you know who there is, until their stuff opens up, none of our stuff will be opening up.

Let the church say amen. And Pastor Sharp joins us right now, Fellowship Missionary Baptist Church out of Chicago. Pastor, you heard what Donald Trump said today. I mean, just no regard for people. Churches are incubators. We ran a story the other day, a church in Georgia opened up. Now they're shutting back down because coronavirus spread all throughout the congregation.

It's going to happen in every church and every mosque and every synagogue. It is just completely unwise. I mean, we're the leading country of COVID-19 cases in the world. I'm in Illinois. Our church is in Chicago. We're the third most, we have, we're the third leading state with the most cases in America so I'm like why why are we doing this why are we being presumptuous and and just because the church is just because the building rather is closed doesn't mean that the church is closed we can have church virtually it's time for all of us to reimagine to pivot to Jesus's most of his ministry didn't happen inside of a building.

So we need to be outside the church anyway, helping our community, helping our people. So I just let it be known at Fellowship Chicago. I don't care what anybody else does in this nation. We will not be in church on Sunday. Guys, let me know if you can see my iPhone, please. I want to pull this story up, Pastor. It says here, sorrowful black church members and churches reeling from COVID-19 losses. At least 33 church leaders have died, according to an ABC News analysis. Thirty three black pastors are dead due to coronavirus.

Wow. Well, I've led families across the grass of cemeteries and I've done it more than one time this year. And when I tell you, until you understand that feeling, then nobody will understand the passion that I had in that video last Sunday. And now that I see what President Trump has done today is almost prophetic and is eerily prophetic for me that I said that because I had no idea that he was going to pander to a portion of his base the way that he's done today. Churches have to have faith and wisdom. And it really makes me sad, man. It breaks my heart that you have so many pastors that have faith but are lacking wisdom in this season. You've got to have both.

Well, and not only that, look, I totally get how churches are being hurt. I get their buildings. I get they have bills. They have staff. There are tithes and offerings. But when you have 33 bishops, pastors, and reverends die, when you had, that was one pastor back in March, had a funeral. Three hundred people were there and a number of them got infected. I mean, this thing is real. This thing is impacting us in a unique way. And this is where I say, man, ignore what this man is saying, because it's killing us. So if they want to go congregate, hey, knock themselves out. They can go, Ralph Reed, Franklin Graham, all of them can

all go get together. But I've been working with black pastors trying to help them on how to live stream, how to get the word out. But you can still, people can still give online. You can still have church. And matter of fact, to be real honest, Pastor, this actually goes back to old school church where you had Bible study in homes in very small groups. And many churches were born out of Bible studies in home. And so people can use Zoom and Microsoft Teams and Google Hangout and other Skype and other forms to still be able to have worship, have Bible study, have fellowship? Absolutely. We've had virtual Bible study. I did a virtual memorial service. I've done we've had men's ministry, women's ministry, youth ministry, marriage ministry, all on Zoom calls and on Skype and other things. So it's just no excuse for it. But we have to make sure

that we don't put profit above people and worry about finances and put them over our flock. The people will support us as long. We need moral leadership. That's at the core of this. There you go. We need moral leadership.

And that means we have to do what's good for the greatest number of people. And coming back to church on Sunday, rushing to do that, it's not wise. Just because the flood in Noah's time lasted 40 days, the Bible says that the waters didn't subside until 150 days. They had to stay on that ark longer than necessary because it wasn't safe yet. We got to stay on, we got to stay in the ark, stay safe, because I promise you the world, some of our irresponsible leaders in high places, wickedness in high places, they do not care about our black bodies.

They do not care about our black people, our black communities. And so we have to be leaders in the African-American community that look out for our people. It is not the job of the shepherd to just feed the sheep. We have to fight the wolves. That's a direct quote from my big brother, Dr. Freddie Haynes. And we have to. This right here, choosing to stay home requires more faith than us opening back up our churches, having church on Sunday. It's going to take

time. Pastor Reginald Sharp, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you, Fred. All right, then. Another alpha man. Always good to see the 06 brothers on the show. Greg Carr, sorry, Joseph Williams. Greg, Amisha, Joseph. You made the wrong choice.

You know, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm going to go Joseph first. I go ahead and go Joseph first because we feel sorry for you. Joseph, this is where I don't care. I'm sorry. I keep saying, black people, don't listen to this man. Don't listen to Donald Trump. How do you, I mean, it's, it's hard to reconcile all of this. I mean,

especially when you have somebody like Paris and are coming on the show claiming a record that does not exist. I mean, and, and again, there's a through line through all of this today. And the one that connects this one to the previous segment is the fact that African-American bodies are viewed as disposable. This church announcement was not meant for black people. Again, I think it was meant for white people. But still, you have African-American congregations and African-American ministers who know what's up. They know that this virus is disconcerting and is wiping out communities. And there really is no excuse for Trump to do this other than pandering because he knows the

fall is coming up. He wants to look strong and he wants to look like he's standing up for religion when he's doing exactly the opposite. I wrote a story back when he was running for president that this man could probably not name a Bible verse on a bet. He got it wrong several times when he was trying to speak to evangelical conservatives. They did not care because he was giving them what they wanted. And that was a president who supports their particular views on many things, including race. Amisha. This is an election year, and Trump is speaking to the religious right directly. And when he goes out and he makes these statements about church reopening, it's not because he gives too high dollars about churches or religion at all.

It's because he's trying to rally that base around a shared ideology about Christianity. Like the pastor said, I'm a proud Chicagoan. I've actually been to that church many times. Right now, we are really in need when it comes to enforcing social distancing. We don't have a vaccine. What we know about coronavirus continues to develop every day. There's still a great fear that it may, in fact, get stronger. It may, in fact, morph into something that's a lot more dangerous. We don't know. We know that there is more information coming out daily about how it's affecting children. And again, these are things that we are dealing with as new details and more news emerges. It is not time to open up churches, many of which are massive spaces, because we're long gone from the days of small storefront churches.

We're talking about big churches. We can't have people going into these spaces and putting their lives at risk. We just can't. And yes, to your point earlier, Roland, there are so many ways that people are expressing their Christian faith or their other faith via these online portals, via social media and Zoom and all these other, you know, conference things. It is not that you have to be in the building to have church. You can do it right from your home. Greg, he's he is trying to appease his white conservative evangelicals, pure and simple. Absolutely. And in fact, I don't even know if he's that sophisticated. Certainly his advisors are. First of all, it was good to see a young brother in his early 30s, like Pastor Sharp there. And I'm glad you've been to that church, Amisha. One day, you know,

I'm not one to go to church a lot, but next time those doors open and I'm in Chicago, I may go by there. Good Morehouse brother, as you say, and a half, of course. But it's good to see a man or woman, a person, be able to speak to black people and stand in the gap between black people and this reckless food. So, yes, his political advisors want the evangelicals. You covered on this show how they were spreading around, walking around money earlier in the year, trying to buy black evangelicals. You've seen the handful of black pastors who he's trooped out to do this kind of

thing. But at this point, something else, and I mentioned it earlier, really, we can see this with Donald Trump. We saw Kellyanne Conway. I'm glad she's still alive. She's sitting there in the seat that Dr. Birx got off because, you know, I mean, you got to have a sycophant there, but this is really going to the point I want to make. As Donald Trump unravels, it's clear he's not mentally well. The flights of fancy that he launches into, the idea that he is a monarch, a king, and can somehow give an edict and the churches will open, that somehow if governors defy him, he can somehow override them. These things are the pronouncements of an unwell man.

And you see him now turning to his sons. You see him now turning to his Kellyanne again. He's shrinking. His world is collapsing in on itself and his delusions are on public display every time he steps in front of a microphone. Those campaign managers now have to figure out how to keep enough of him together to get him to November as the Mitch McConnells and them decided how they can kneecap the federal post office or somehow suppress the vote enough to perhaps steal another term and finish their real job, which is to raid the federal treasury and stack the judiciary.

So there are a lot of moving parts here, but there's no guarantee that Donald Trump makes it out of this. I don't mean physically. I don't mean in terms of his physical health. I mean, if this man is unraveling in front of our eyes every day, it just gets worse. So, Roland, I'm not sure what's going to happen even by this time tomorrow when you go on the air in terms of something crazy he's going to say. Bottom line is this here, folks. Don't listen to that man. Churches, y'all need to stay at the crib.

Simple as that. I don't care. Pastor is right in terms of how you can use technology. You know, Monday, our alpha brother, Roger B. Brown, pioneering sports journalist in Dallas-Fort Worth, passed away. And on tomorrow, we're going to hold his Omega service at 10.06 a.m. Eastern. And then we're going to have his memorial service at 11 o'clock Eastern. We're going to be live streaming it on our platforms.

He was my dear friend. And again, same thing. It would be great for us to be able to go back to Mississippi to have his funeral. But simply, that is unsafe for us to do so. It makes no sense whatsoever. So do not listen to anything that Trump says. Greg, Amisha, Joseph, I certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for today's conversation, folks. Going to go to break. We come back. Have a little fun with Queen Aisha right here at Roller Mark Unfiltered. We can face this pandemic head on. We can do what it takes to protect our families and our communities. Together, we can get our economy moving again, but not without the tools and resources we need to get the job done.

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All right, folks, every Friday, Wednesday and Friday, we have a little fun with the comedian. This Friday, we want to talk to one of my regulars back from my TV one day. It's Queen Aisha. Queen, what up? What's up, Roland? Yes, you're still very loud. You're still very loud. And they say when you talk loud, then you spread it if you got it. So that means just be quiet. Don't say nothing.

Whatever. Don't start. Don't start. So how you been dealing with all of this coronavirus stuff? Well, first of all, I am healthy. My family as well. And I got snacks on deck, so I'm good. Well, you got snacks?

I got snacks on deck. I'm eating this stuff is social socially distance and my bras my pants but we making it God is good you got snacks in your bras and your pants I say I got the snacks in my breath that they socially distance it oh okay I was trying to follow what where we were going with that I was like okay I'm not quite sure where we're going with that. Don't do it. What?

No, I mean, I wasn't sure where we were going with that. I don't know. So where are you? Are you in L.A.? Are you in Atlanta? Are you in D.C.? I'm in Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta.

I thought you had moved to L.A. Roland, I saw you here in Atlanta a year ago. Oh, damn, that's right. Yeah, but you could have been visiting. No, I'm here. I've been here almost three years. Oh, damn, that's right. Yeah, but you could have been visiting. No, I'm here. I've been here almost three years. Oh, really? Yeah.

So what, Atlanta just... I wanted to be closer to you. I said, I'm leaving L.A., I'm coming to Atlanta, I'm going to be closer to Roland and my people. Nah, you know it wasn't no crazy Negroes in L.A. I mean, you know... Right, it's different. L.A. a little different.

It's a lot of different. So you need to be with Dirty South, right? Exactly, exactly. So they can cut their slang and I can half understand what they're saying but know how to get home. So, obviously, look, during these times, you can't go on the road, you can't tour, do all those sort of things. So what you been doing?

Are you being like the rest of these comedians, just living on Instagram all damn day? No, I've never been like on social media like that. It's cool. It serves its purpose. I'm cool with it. But I don't have to do what everybody, my father watching. So I said, I don't got to. He probably said, all the money I paid for your education.

I don't have to do what everyone else does. Anyway, so I get on when I feel a need to get on. I actually will be doing a Zoom party for some ladies that meet every Friday. So we're going to do that next Friday. A friend of mine turned 50 last week. We gave him a surprise Zoom party. I'm writing. I'm working on me. You know what I'm saying? Thinking of a master plan, you know, live entertainment is going to be like the last thing to come back. We're going to be right there behind, way behind the churches. You know what I'm saying?

So, again, when the White House and the governor's mansion open up, we coming after that. Really? Exactly. I'm not playing with it. If you breathe on me hard, we might fight. You ain't like, yeah. So, what do you make of all these videos of these white folks going to stores just coughing on people because they mad, because they got to wear a mask? These people are losing their mind.

Yeah, they doing the most. I have plenty of masks. I don't play with it. Put your mask on if you step too close to me. If you give me five and a half inches, we need to have a conversation. I need to talk to you in the meat department. I don't understand these people. I'm like, y'all are truly losing your minds.

I don't get it. I just thought, I'm like, yo. Like, they literally are asking the fool when it's just a mask. And then I love this here. You know, I'm trying to protect myself. No, you ain't trying to protect yourself by not wearing a mask. I mean, you got us, too. You got black people that ain't wearing masks, too.

You got young people. I told my niece, I was like, y'all kind of the enemy because we looking at y'all sideways because some of the young people they really don't get it they don't have an understanding and they don't want to wear masks they think they're invincible but no you're going to need to put your mask on too and wash your hands first of all black people offended when they start talking about washing hands what black people been washing their hands and if you catch a good woman black woman over 70 she gonna put some bleach in your bath water so we don't understand because we woman over 70, she gonna put some bleach in your bath water. So we don't understand why she's like that because we do this

anyway. We do this all day. Some bleach in your bath water? You know black people back in the day put bleach in the bath water to scrub you real good. Uh, no. My parents... We don't know nothing about that. I don't. I don't. All the black people that know people that put bleach

in the bath water, go ahead and send Roland a message. Go ahead and let them know. No. No, no. My parents were not crazy. No, we actually could afford. Not saying that it was right. What I'm saying is.

No, I don't know. I mean, we could afford soap. They did too. They just want to scrub you real no no we use bleach or you use that to clean the damn ring around the tub that dirt ring around up that you they put bleach water while the kids in the water they put before and they let it get a little saturated mix it up a little bit then gonna dump in a little bit so now you've been been bathing every day? No, it's some black customs I'll pass on. I got you.

Have you been bathing every day since you've been quarantining and hunkering down? Why? First of all, you might forget me. Why are we wasting this water? See, we... No, no, you might have forgotten. Remember we had the doc who was on my previous show

who said that we take too many showers and baths, and she said that you should only be taking a shower once a week? Well, I'm not in agreement with that. I got it, but I'm doing everything else that they can specifically. Remember she said we take too many showers and baths, so we're washing away bacteria. She said that bacteria actually protects us and keeps us healthy, but if we keep washing all the time, we're stripping our body of that bacteria. You know what? You remember that?

I don't remember it, but I know that Dr. Oz and some other doctors have talked about it. No, I'm in agreement with that. And I'm practicing that right now. I got baby wipes. For what? You at the house? What I'm just saying. I mean, if you ain't going to take a full bath, at least you got to pat it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, so you use baby wipes to take a... A bird bath. What's wrong with a towel and some soap? Yeah, I mean, you can do that, too. Whatever, I mean, whatever works for you, Roman.

But if you got extra baby wipes around the house, not the bleach that everybody, you know, 45 was telling you, you can, like, take that and get the cure. We not doing that. Just some regular baby wipes, unsense it, wash your face, get behind your ears. Baby wipes or the Clorox wipes? Baby wipes. We not Cloroxing, no.

Oh, you mean like makeup remover? Wipes? Baby wipes. It was for the babies before they took the makeup off Roland. Okay, all right. I'm just checking. Okay. Queen, it's good to see you.

Good to see you, too. What's your cash app? How we send you something? Put a little something on it. Somebody, y'all sending money? Y'all for real? Yeah, we... For real?

Okay, I ain't know that. Okay, let's give me... Go ahead, let me give you that dollar sign. A-I-S-H-A-H. F as in funny, A as in apple, R as in Roy, A as in apple, Aisha Farah. A-I-S-H-A-H-F-A-R-A. Henry Peterson, hit that.

Nicky Moore, hit that. Roland Moore, hit that. Lord. Aaron Richmond, hit that. Yeah, because we know... Because you in quarantine, ain't nobody hitting nothing. You right about that. Lord. You're in Richmond. Hit that. Yeah, because we know. Because you in quarantine. Ain't nobody hitting nothing. You right about that.

And I ain't opening up for nobody. Queen Aisha, I appreciate it. Get down. You ignorant. You ignorant. Bye, girl. Bye. Bye.

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or more, they get a personal shout out. Let me see. Do we have a list today? The list of my fans. Kenan, send them to me. Now we got the video. So here's the deal. I'm going to read this. So we read the names Monday through man, Kenan, send them to me. Now we got the video. So here's the deal. I'm going to read this.

So we read the names Monday through Thursday, and then we just run the whole list on Friday. So we'll do that. Yo, we're not here on Monday. We're going to be running a special Memorial Day. I know with the coronavirus, everybody forgot this is a holiday weekend. I want y'all to be safe.

Do not do stupid stuff. Don't you go to church. Don't be out there congregating with people. I don't care what the rest of these people do because I'm not trying to read another story of black people dying of the coronavirus. We already got more than 95,000 deaths in this country, about to hit 100,000.

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