#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 5.28 #RMU: FBI statement in #GeorgeFloyd case; Protests continue in Mpls; 100k COVID-19 deaths In US

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

5.28.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: FBI statement in #GeorgeFloyd case; Protests continue in Minneapolis, turn violent; 100k COVID-19 deaths In US; Crazy a$$ venture capitalist ousted from office building + crazy a$$ woman freaks out over slow hamburger service Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered Partner: Ceek Be the first to own the world's first 4D, 360 Audio Headphones and mobile VR Headset. Check it out on www.ceek.com and use the promo code RMVIP2020 - The Roland S. Martin YouTube channel is a news reporting site covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. I'm Martin. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Today's Thursday, May 28, 2020 up on roland martin unfiltered as we speak to fbi as a news conference in minneapolis we will go to as soon as we come back regarding the murder of george floyd we'll talk to several of his friends as well only one cop killed floyd but three more stood around and watched it happen and Why won't cops stand up when one of their own does something wrong? We'll talk to a former police officer who studied police bias about that. The U.S. has more than 100,000 COVID-19 deaths, and those who contracted the virus still have a long way to go for recovery. We'll talk with Dr. Ebony Hilton about that. Remember that white Richard Kaplan in Minneapolis who called the cops on these three black men for exercising in the gym?

He's been kicked out of the building. We'll give you the details. Another crazy-ass white woman acts a fool all over a hamburger. Really? It's time to bring the funk and roll the mark on the filter. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the mess, he's on it.

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Rollin' with Rollin' now He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rollin' Martin Now Martin FBI is holding a news conference as we speak in Minneapolis regarding the death of George Floyd. Let's go right to it. The county attorney's office are moving as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

I've also been in direct consultations with Governor Tim Walz, with Attorney General Keith Ellison and others in the state, the city and the county through discussions on this case. As many of you know, the Hennepin County Attorney's Office is one of very few prosecution offices in the United States who have successfully charged and convicted and obtained a guilty verdict against a police officer for unreasonable use of deadly force. We have developed a detailed plan for that prosecution and with the BCA, a detailed plan for investigation.

Our office has been flooded with calls, many as a thousand a day, as well as email and social media from people in this jurisdiction, in this state, and throughout the country. The main question is, what are you going to do about the murder of George Floyd? Well, I've just described what we're going to do. We are going to investigate it as expeditiously, as thoroughly and completely as justice demands. Sometimes that takes a little time and we ask people to be patient. We have to do this right and that's what we'll do. I also want to tell you that our office has led the nation in openness on these types of cases. When we decide to charge an officer, we put the criminal

complaint on our website. If we decide that the evidence does not support a criminal charge, we put our report and all our evidence on the website for all to see. When we make the decision in this case, we will do the same. What I can assure the citizens of Minnesota, we will do it as quickly as we can do it as possible. We'll do it as quickly as possible. I think Drew Evans from the BCA is next. Drew? Thank you, County Attorney Freeman. My name is Drew Evans. I am the superintendent of the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. First, I'd like to

share with my colleagues here and expressing my deepest thoughts and sympathies to the family of George Floyd, that heartbreak that they're going through in the community as a whole. This is a difficult time for our entire community as they mourn his death. The Bureau of Criminal Apprehension began this investigation immediately after this incident occurred. When we were contacted by the Minneapolis Police Department, agents were deployed, including our crime scene, immediately began gathering evidence, talking to witnesses, and then working immediately with the county attorney's office, discussing our findings and what we had at that time. Next, over the night, as was indicated, the FBI was contacted. I spoke with Chief Arredondo. He informed me he was contacting them, and that was a contact we all

welcome in this process. We're working very collaboratively together through this process. Our agents are working closely together. We've deployed numerous resources. We brought in agents from all over the state recognizing the importance of an expeditious, quick investigation that is still thorough, independent, and unbiased by all of our organizations. Those findings will be turned over to the county attorney on the state side and on the federal side, as noted, to the United States Attorney's Office. The same thing we share as the FBI did, we want any citizen, anybody who is there that witnessed this event, that has information that would be helpful to our investigation, to either call the FBI tips line

or 651-793-7000, which is the BCA Operations Center. My perspective is we want citizens to go wherever they are most comfortable, whichever line they are, so I think we will get the information from the county operations center. My perspective is we want citizens to go wherever they are most comfortable, whichever line they are, so we get all of the information in this case so we

can conduct the most thorough investigation possible. And with that, I think we will turn it over to the U.S. Attorney and county attorney for questions. And so at this point we are going to open it up for questions. I can tell you, I'll start by saying we've got questions too. And we're getting answers to those.

We're doing our best. We're digging in. But we do, and I want to echo what my law enforcement partner said, we need the community's help. There were folks there on the scene, not folks that we couldn't identify necessarily at the time. We need to know who they are. Come forward. If you have a video, please share it.

We want to do as quickly as we can a thorough investigation to get answers to those questions. And I know that I saw the first hand going up was in front of me, ma'am. You had a question? Yeah, sorry. What do you, I mean, tonight, this doesn't sound like a protest tonight. Twitter is already saying what you guys are announcing today. You know, they were hoping for maybe charges when you guys stepped out here today because we're not getting charges. Are you worried that that's going to ignite more riots tonight?

My hope is that getting it out through you, that the community will understand that we are taking this seriously, that we're working as quickly as possible. So the community understands we don't we don't announce investigations typically. As you in the media knows, it's unusual for us to come forward and tell you about an investigation. As a United States attorney, we're counseled that we are not to talk about that until the time of the conviction, typically, or in some cases, perhaps charges. It's really imperative that the community understands how seriously we're taking this and how quickly and swiftly we are moving on this.

And so my hope with that is, is that people will understand peaceful protests are always acceptable. That is the cornerstone of our justice system, is that people have the right to say how they feel and to talk about their feelings and to protest peacefully, but the obstruction and the destruction of property and harmed individuals has got to stop. We are one Minnesota. We're at our best when we're at our worst, and we've got to come together and stop the needless and unnecessary destruction of property and harm to human life. Sir.

You may. Yes. This state is well known and has a strong reputation for firm and thorough First Amendment advocation. We support peaceful demonstrations. I had a long talk today with Reverend Jesse Jackson, who came at the request of Attorney General Keith Ellison and the governor, and I believe Reverend Jackson will be speaking and asking for peaceful protests today. Peaceful protest is good. It advocates our rights and it also calls forth the witnesses that the United States Attorney wants us to come forward. Violence does not. Violence hampers our case. It takes

valuable police resources away from our investigation and it also harms innocent people who had nothing to do with that. It gets in the way of our work. So we're asking please, please say what you need to say, demonstrate how you need to do. That is in our Constitution and all of us believe in that. But please, don't destroy an innocent person's property who had nothing to do with it. I think part of the problem is the video goes on for seven minutes. He is clearly struggling to breathe during that time. And I think people will be problem is certainly the video goes on for seven minutes. He is clearly struggling to breathe during that time. And I think people will be hard-pressed to understand how he can't bring charges,

at least, I guess, the officer who had his knee on that man's neck. It's a violation of my ethics to talk and evaluate evidence before we announce our charging decision and I will not do that. I will say this that that video is graphic and horrific and terrible and no person should do that but my job in the end is to prove that he violated a criminal statute and there is other evidence that does not support a criminal charge we need to weigh through all of that evidence and to come through with a meaningful meaningful determination and we are doing that to the best of our ability okay I'm not going to say that. I'm going to say that. Okay.

Just say. When it comes to the African-American community, we're here, a lot of us came down to actually call for peace. You guys are asking for them to be patient. They're saying that there was no patience when it came to George Floyd, when he begged and pleaded for his life. What message would you give us to take back to the African-American community to bring peace and to ensure them that justice is going to be served. I bring the same message that African-American Attorney General of the State of Minnesota, Keith Ellison, is bringing.

I'm bringing the same message of the Reverend Jesse Jackson. We have to do this right. We have to prove it in a court of law. And I will just point to you the comparison to what happened in Baltimore in the Gray case. It was a rush to charge. It was a rush to justice. And all of those people were found not guilty. I will not rush to justice.

I'm going to do this right. And those folks who know me in the African community know I will do my very level best. But I will not rush justice because justice cannot be rushed. Thank you for that. It was wonderful to hear you say that you came down with other members of the community to ask for peace. And that is the most, that's probably the most positive thing I've heard here all day. So I cannot begin to thank you enough for that. And to the extent you can share that, and you can share the integrity and honesty of what we're doing and trying to tell you what's going on, please do, because we need you. We need the community. But it's really important that we

emphasize that everybody, everybody in the United States is entitled to due process of law. And due process of law requires us as prosecutors, as law enforcement officers, to make sure that we've done a careful investigation. And it requires us, as I told you, I tried as a judge, I presided over hundreds of cases, including first degree murder cases. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is that all your ducks are in a row before you make that charging decision. But you can't undo what you've done if you rush. But if you take that time, you're going to do it right the first time, and you're going to get it done the first time. All right, folks, this is a news conference live taking place in Minneapolis with FBI officials

and U.S. attorneys talking about what their process is. As you heard from people asking, wait a minute, you got a video showing that George Floyd was suffocated, essentially, by the cop. Why have they yet to be arrested? They were fired on Tuesday, but they are still not being arrested. Keep in mind, they can be arrested and charged with murder and you can still continue the investigation and go to the DA's office. Now, folks, many people have been speaking out, including George Floyd's family, as well as his friends. Joining us right now is Corey Paul, Reconcile, Nigelon, and PT. Gentlemen, thank you for joining us on Roller Martin Unfiltered. Thank you for having us, brother.

First of all, George Floyd graduated from Jack Yates High School, same school that I graduated from in Houston in third ward there. Corey, you've released several different videos talking about how involved he was in the community and the issues he cared about. Yeah. So when we came into third ward as community outreach, as trying to be a change in community and serve, we came as visitors. George is from Third Ward. He's Third Ward through and through. And he was already advocating and supporting and giving love for, you know, in that community for change. So George welcomed us in, Floyd welcomed us in, and we couldn't have done anything that we did through explicitly preaching the gospel and connecting with community.

We couldn't have done it without Floyd. He was legitimately our person of peace. All right, Jelani, PT. Yes, sir. Talk about Floyd, talk about his impact and what he meant to you as a friend. So, man, we met Floyd 2010. We were in Third Ward, we were at Church of Third Ward, trying to reach, and you know

about this, CUNY Homes housing project specifically. And so, man, we put on this concert called Hope for the Trade, and we were trying to solicit people to come out. So we were literally in the neighborhood giving out flyers. And so when the day of the event comes, him and another guy, we see them in the back. Man, Big Floyd is like unmistakable. We see him.

We're like, yo, they came. We ran up to him, started talking to him, and just started to build a relationship from there. And so we've had a relationship with him for almost 10 years. And so he was literally our gateway, our big homie, our OG to get us into the neighborhood. You know, coming from neighborhoods like that, man, you understand you need a stamp. You can't just throw a fence. You can't just do what you want to do. And so he literally opened up his home and gave us the opportunity,

man, to reach some people in the neighborhood. There's a story that Reckonside would have shared with you if he was on. But literally, man, we used to have church services, fifth Sundays on the basketball court. And so you know how that is. We have to bring all our equipment out. And so, man, he helped us to bring equipment out, helped us to baptize folk out there and really connected us to people in the neighborhood we wouldn't have access to if it wasn't for him and just to see his progression um he went to minnesota

to be discipled was part of a church uh work program and was getting his certification to drive trucks man and so you know when, when we hear this narrative, we're like, man, none of that is true. Nobody leaves Third Ward, Houston, Texas to go to Minnesota for any other reason other than to change their life. Well, for folks who don't understand, again, y'all keep hearing them refer to Third Ward, Texas. And that's in Houston.

But the folks who are from Third Ward, who went to school from Third Ward, see it as its whole other country, a whole other city. So that's why y'all hear that phrase, Third Ward, Texas. Again, that's where Jackie's high school is, Texas Southern University is, University of Houston. They try to call it something else, but that's actually where it is. And so it really is the epicenter of black culture historically in the city of Houston. How long was he how long was he in Minneapolis? He left and he went up there, I believe, early 2017. And so and was there, obviously, for for the last three years.

The news conference with the FBI officials are still going on. And obviously folks are talking about this here. And what do the three of you want people to know about him that no matter what folks are trying to do, try to smear his name, what do you want them to know that was most important about him? I think so. So one of the biggest things is, you know, Floyd was an advocate of change. The reason why he ushered us in the way that he did was because he wanted to see his neighborhood change.

He wanted to see Third Ward radically changed. He wanted to see CUNY homes radically changed. And you know how it is, Roland. Anytime you go into somebody's territory, you need to get a pass. You know, Floyd basically gave us an endorsement deal to where we can go in the middle of the housing projects and set up tables and chairs, you know. And so I want people to know that

he embraced us and brought us in because he wanted to see change in his neighborhood. One of the reasons why he left to go to Minnesota was because he wanted to see change in his life. He understood that it wasn't too late for him to make the right decisions and to make a change. He's from Third Ward. You know, he's 46, I'm 26. And when I moved to Houston, you know, he put his arm around me. He embraced me. You know, he believed that God could change hearts. He believes that God could change Third Ward and he empowered us to do so. Anyone else? Yeah, so I know for me, I vividly remember meeting Floyd. And so as PT was saying, we put on concerts, myself, my brother Reconcile, we rapped.

And so we would go through, you know, we were doing ministry in Third Ward. So, you know, we wanted to, um you know really be a part of the community and so um i remember floyd telling telling us like man i love what y'all doing he said if it's about god business then it's about my business so wherever you go whatever you want to do you know you're good you let them know that floyd said you're good. And understanding what that meant was powerful. And so I don't think people understand truly. We talk about the change we want to see in communities. We talk about the need for leaders and advocates.

What they don't understand is they murdered a leader of culture in that community. When Floyd said something or when Floyd communicated something, you can't replace that. You know, when you're from the areas that we're from, it's not just because it's something that's said. It's who said what is going forward. And so Floyd had the respect respect and all of his respect was gained through the love and the sacrifice. So what they don't understand is the change that you, that, that, that you would hope to see. He was the walk and living example of that and everything that, that he embodied, um, everything he embodied is what we should all be striving for when it comes to

just genuine love and embracing people. Go ahead. Yeah. I, I, uh, man, Luke chapter 10, this is how I look at Floyd. Um, he says, man, for those of us who are going into these neighborhoods and trying to do community development, carry no money bag, no knapsack, no sandals and greet no one on the road. Whatever house you enter, first say peace be to this house. And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. Man, George Floyd was a son of peace that God sent.

And man, it's the tragedy is people think that they've merely crucified just another black man. But man, in the line of innocent sufferers all the way from Abel, all the way to Jesus Christ, man man he is an innocent sufferer whose blood man was shed and I think God hears it and I think God is gonna use this to redeem some people from these neighborhoods man and I just want people to understand man they just it wasn't just anybody that was a son of peace from God. Well, gentlemen, we certainly wanted you to have an

opportunity to share your thoughts with regards to George Floyd, to share a part of a story that other people may not be aware of, which is one of the reasons why we created this platform. And he, of course, he did. He was starting tight end on the football team there, played in the state championship game against Temple in 1992. One of the folks with the Houston Chronicle reached out to me and told me that. And then it was it was crazy because I was actually at that game that took place. That took place in Glean watching that game. Been a 1987 graduate of Jack Gates High School. And so we certainly thank all three of you for being with us.

And we'll be covering this story to see where it goes. Last question, I will say this here. You heard the FBI folks talking and people have been talking about these protests. They've been complaining about what happened at the Target store there. You got people who are saying, oh, this is a shame. What would the three of you say to the people who are protesting, whether it's the folks who are peacefully protesting or those who have not? What would you say to the folks that are protesting, whether it's the folks who are peacefully protesting or those who have not. What would you say to the folks that are protesting in Minneapolis? What would Floyd say to them?

Najee Lane? I think he would first off say, man, I get it. I understand it. And the people who are protesting, they're not protesting because one person was lynched in the middle of the street on camera. You know, this has been going on for years and years and years. And so I think in any protest, man, you usually have two types of people. You have people who are just looking for something to do, but then you also have people who are genuinely there, who are genuinely invested into it. And so I think Floyd would start off by saying, I understand.

The same way that he put his arm around me and then he breaks me to fight for change in third ward, he will put his hand around every protester and say, walk as far as you feel like you need to walk, but fight for change, strategize, walk in wisdom. You know, and so that's what we'll continue to do. You know, you can burn down, you know, one police department station, taxpayer dollars are going to pay for that. They'll build another one. Build something. Be a part of the change.

If you want to be a radical, be a part of radical change. Invest in yourself, invest in your community. And that's exactly what Floyd did. All right, then. Still appreciate it. Gentlemen, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank did. All right, then. So appreciate it. Gentlemen, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you for having us. All right, folks.

Thank you so very much, folks. It has been an emotional 48 hours all across the country. So many people have been responding in different ways. The mayor of Minneapolis said the death of Floyd has left a lot of people shaking. Here's Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry. What we've seen over the last two days and the emotion ridden conflict over last night is the result of so much built-up anger and sadness. Anger and sadness that has been ingrained in our black community not just because of five minutes of horror, but 400 years. If you're feeling that sadness and that anger, it's not only understandable, it's right. It's a reflection of the truth that our black

community has lived. While not from lived experience, that sadness must also be understood by our non-black communities. To ignore it, to toss it out, would be to ignore the values we all claim to have. Andrea Jenkins, who is the Minneapolis City Council Vice President, shared her thoughts as well. As we stand here grieving yet another loss of black life, a senseless, tragic loss of black life. I really don't have many words, but I know that something's got to change. and anyone else who is concerned about the state of affairs in our community to declare a state of emergency, declaring racism as a public health issue. Until we name this virus, this disease that has infected America for the past 400 years, we will never, ever resolve this issue. To those who say bringing up racism is racist in and of itself, I say to you, if you don't call cancer what it is, you try and cure this disease, I am stating exactly what everyone else has witnessed, and that is racism.

My panel today, Dr. Greg Carr, chair of the Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University. Erica Savage-Wilson, host of Savage Politics podcast, Recy Colbert, Black Women Views on Twitter and Instagram. I want to first start off this way, folks. You've heard all these different people, mainstream media, conservative folks losing their minds, talking about what has taken place in Minneapolis, the protests, fires, what happened, folks looting the Target as well. But we want to start this way by talking about what Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said specifically about riots. Listen. Is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened. The mood of the Negro community now is one of urgency,

one of saying that we aren't going to wait, that we've got to have our freedom. We've waited too long. And I think the answer about how long it will take will depend on the federal government, on the city halls of our various cities, and on white America to a large extent. This is where we are at this point, and I think white America will determine where we go. Greg Carr, riots are the language of the unheard. Yes, they are, brother, and I'm glad that you raised that.

First of all, those of you who don't support Roland Martin Unfiltered, this is the time to do it right now, because trust me, that's not going to be played on other on white facing commercial news entertainment media. Watts in 1965. You go from 1965, you can draw a direct line to 1992 in the wake of the Rodney King Rebellion. This is why they're moving into action so quickly right now. They're terrified that this might be the point of conflagration. Dr. King is explaining why. After that Selma to Montgomery march, after the great James Meredith march against fear continued in Mississippi, and after, as we see by the summer of 1965, the Voting Rights Act, whites went up in flames. People are tired of the police beating up people, in this case, a woman and her son. And it led to millions of dollars of property destruction and the loss of black life. Dr. King is speaking to that. But Malcolm X, who had been assassinated in February

of that year, had been saying the same things in the previous years, 1963 and 1964. He said every summer is going to get hotter. Then Dr. King is killed after insurrections in 1966 and 67 in Detroit. 68, Dr. King is killed. And then you see 100 cities go up in flames. What we're seeing today is desperation by the state. Police chief had a press conference in Detroit today with the NAACP president chapter there with him. They are terrified now. Why? Because every time something like this happens,

we get closer to the moment when we've said, we're not talking to y'all anymore. Burn it down. And that is what we're seeing now. And that's what's not going to be covered on these white facing media places. They're going to try to turn the attention to the destruction of property as if somehow you can equate that with the killing of black people in the streets within Phoenix. But here's the reality, here's the reality, Erica. Everything that Greg laid out,

and if you understand the history of this country, you cannot show me black progress in the history of this country that did not come without black blood being shed. Absolutely, Roland. There is a price to be paid for what we consider to be liberties. And on what Dr. Carr was saying, those two pieces, if people have not joined the Bring the Funk fan club, if they have not made a contribution, they need to look down at that Facebook, YouTube link, activate that now. And then secondly, in talking about the woman and son, I was looking over Ida B. Wells, looking at the red record. And that's something that people have not read or looked at the red record back in 1895, which talks about lynchings.

We all need to make sure that we get a copy and we're doing that now. And I'm thinking about May 24th, 1911, where you had Laura and L.D. Nelson, mother and son, who were both lynched. Here we are 99 years later talking about lynching still. And so we've reached an inflection point and folks have got to make a decision. Do you want to be comfortable or do you absolutely want to be free? And as you just mentioned, when we come to prices that need to be paid, when we think about those three big pieces of legislation that you alluded to that happened during the 60s, when we're talking about the Voting Rights Act, when we're thinking about housing, all of those pieces of legislation that came out of the 60s, that came out of blood, that came out of women, children and men putting life and limb on the line so that we would have the opportunity to have this conversation that we're having today. Recy, what people also don't

understand is that President Lyndon Johnson commissioned the Kerner Commission in response to those race riots that took place in 1967. Dr. King's book, Chaos or Community, Where Do We Go From Here?, was also born out of that. One of the things that they said, one of the things that was said in that particular report, first of all, they did not agree on many things. But one of the things that they did agree on was what they said, that there are two Americas, one white and one black. And the report showed that how we see these things in a vastly different way,

how we look at the issues in a vastly different way. They also talked about how mainstream media was part of the problem because of how mainstream media looked at these various issues. And it was really through the lens of whiteness. Last night, here's Tucker Carlson on Fox News talking about what happened in Minneapolis. That's what rioting looks like. It happened last night. As you can see, it's happening right now. We want to be clear, we're not showing you these pictures to defend the behavior of individuals on the Minneapolis Police Department. We're not. We're defending society itself. Rioting is the one thing you don't want. Ugly opinions, police brutality, officious bird watchers, rude, entitled ladies walking their dogs in big city parks, all of that is bad. But none of it is nearly as bad as what you just saw.

The indiscriminate use of violence by mobs is a threat to every American of all colors and backgrounds and political beliefs. Democracy cannot exist when people are rioting. Rioting is a form of tyranny. The strong and the violent oppress the weak and the unarmed. It is oppression. So that's what rioting is.

See, see, Recy, this is what folks who hold white supremacy views like Tucker Carlson refuse to acknowledge. It's what Dr. King talked about. They love to talk about rioting and looting, but they don't want to deal with what led to the rioting or looting. Let's go back to Sunday. You did not have people in Minneapolis protesting on Sunday. Monday was when the cop decides to put his knee in his full weight of his body on the neck of George Floyd and took the breath out of his body and killed him. You don't have the protest without the actions of the cops. The cops still have yet to be arrested. So then you have last night. I am not saying yay to last night. What I am saying is you can't speak on the rioting, the looting, the burning of

cars unless you deal with what precipitated that response exactly i mean people never want to talk about what's antagonizing black people the lack of justice that we get over and over again i personally don't give a damn about people rioting this whole notion of respectability and oh you know if you if you ride you're going to give the white folks something to to latch upon or you're going to discredit the cause or you're going to hurt the cause. White people are not killing black people, harassing them, targeting them because of respectability. They're doing that because they're racist and they feel empowered to oversee, as I said in a prior episode, what black people are doing. They feel empowered to brutalize, to be violent, to terrorize black people in black communities because they know that they can do what they perceive that they can do it without any kind of repercussions. Like you said, Roland, we're not saying rah, rah, go out there and loot and do all these other kind of things.

I don't even really like to use the word looting, to be clear looting is when the treasury goes and infuses 1.3 trillion two three two trillion three trillion dollars of our taxpayer monies to prop up these corporations because their stock value is going not what is happening at target people are understandably upset and there's no amount of respectability there's no amount of look we're all up here singing kumbaya that's going to bring george Floyd back. That's going to stop the next killing from happening. And so I completely empathize and understand why people are enraged and why when they are being antagonized by tear gas, by brood, by by by cops saying all kinds of crazy things to why the situation escalates. So let's talk about that part. Greg, black people. And this is the thing that white folks like Tucker need to understand.

And white folks like Charlie Kirk and Tammy, whatever the hell that girl name is, Lambert, Lauren, whatever the hell. And even ignorant black people like Candace Owens refuse to understand. I ain't never met a single black person. Who wants to take time away from other stuff to go protest i i i don't know anybody black who would say you know what i think i want to bypass spending some time with my family and friends i want to bypass going to the park and relaxing i want to bypass um uh going to the movies because damn it I want to bypass going to the movies because damn it, I want to go out and protest a black man being killed. I've never met somebody who, who that's their life mission. What they don't want to accept is that the only way, the only way you have seen this nation confront its bigotry, confront its racism,

confront its hatred is when black folks burn shit down. Now, let me be real clear to everybody who's listening to me. Roland is not advocating saying go torch the country. What I am is laying out what is undeniable. If you read Nicholas Cotts, rest in peace, he died just a couple of weeks ago. His book on LBJ and MLK. Members of Congress did not want to move on black people voting until bloody Sunday happened. It took the images of black people being brutalized by cops in Alabama on the Edmund Peters bridge when they said, Oh my God, we got to do something. It took a bombing in Birmingham at a church for four little girls who were killed. It took Medgar Evers being assassinated.

But let me remind y'all, the United States Congress filibustered the Fair Housing Act in 1966. Senator Edward Brooke, black Republican, broke it in the Senate, but it was still in the House. King gets murdered on April 4th. On April 5th, President Lyndon Johnson sends a letter to the House saying, let's honor the life and legacy of Dr. King by passing the bill he gave his life for. It was signed into law nine days later. I can go through this through American history and show you black blood being spilled, riots,

stuff burning, America responding. That's American history, Greg. You're exactly right. You just laid it out, Roland, and I'm glad that you did that in case you all missed it very quickly in 10 seconds. The Voting Rights Act is washed in the blood of Selma. The Fair Housing Act

is washed in the blood of Martin King, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is washed in the blood of those four little girls and two black boys who were killed in Birmingham in 1963. And that Birmingham bombing took place a month after the March on Washington. So you're absolutely right, Roland. It's very important to understand that, as you said, no one moves in this country until they are threatened with the end of this country. Being black in America won't get

you killed. Being black for America will get you killed because America is a settler state. And it not only depended on the essential personnel of the 18th and 19th centuries, that would be us, the enslaved Africans. It has depended on controlling black bodies ever since. Now, the interesting thing is, and I've got some very close friends and former students who live in Minneapolis, St. Paul. They're texting me now telling me that not only, of course, we know the National Guard has been called out in Minneapolis, St. Paul, and you had the mayor of St. Paul, Melvin Carter, young brother out of FAMU, on the show here, Roland.

They now are surrounding the Target in St. Paul. They've closed down the rail in Minneapolis, St. Paul. They are terrified because the population that is out in the street is not predominantly black. This leads us to the real problem now facing these folks. Those of our friends and colleagues who do white-facing work, who are telling white folks you need to organize your communities and do something about this. They've hit a resonant chord in Minnesota right now. If you look at the footage, when you have all those police officers surrounding this killer's house last night, it is mostly white people out there in the street,

along with black people, with Hmong, with the Somalis in Minnesota. There's a multiracial coalition. I thought these four cops were fired, which I believe, with the Somalis in Minnesota. There's a multiracial coalition. I thought these four cops were fired, which I believe, parenthetically, is also a way for the city not to get sued if they can figure out how to separate the police from them immediately. But what you have is you got fired cops and you got the lead one, one, by the way, who there was an opportunity to prosecute him a couple of times for about a dozen violations he's had. And guess who the Hennepin County attorney was at the time? Amy Klobuchar.

We could talk about that another time. But those police are surrounding their brother-in-arms' house last night. But most of those people were not black. That is the terrifying thing facing this country right now. As this settler state dissolves, because California ain't Iowa, and neither are Mother Dakota's, and it ain't New York, the multiracial coalition that will be in the street will not only be black people.

And that is where they've now done the calculus and said, we better throw these two sacrificial open races to the crowd, because if we don't, we might see the end of this thing, and it ain't going to be just because black people were in the street. And Erica, the thing that what we're talking about here and laying out, let it be clear, you are not going to be just because black people were in this. And Erica, the thing that what we're talking

about here and laying out, let me be clear. You are not going to hear that articulated on CNN, on MSNBC, on Fox, on ABC, NBC, CBS. They are not, they don't, they're not going to want to deal. See the reason I'm linking that because I'm linking that to the race riot in 67 and the Kerner Commission report, because the influx of black journalists, the first wave came in after the 68 Kerner Commission report. Part of this deal, Erica, is that American media is still in many ways the same as it was in 1967, because they don't want to deal with the reality of what it means

to be black because even with what they do, they want to somehow not really deal with the hardcore stuff. White folks like Tucker Carlson want to complain about riots, but they don't want to play that king bite and deal with economics. They love trying to throw out how many people were killed in Chicago last weekend, but they don't want to play that king bite and deal with economics. They love trying to throw out how many people were killed in Chicago last weekend, but they don't want to deal with the poverty in Chicago. They don't want to talk about the fact that 60% of the children in Chicago haven't even logged on to virtual learning during this pandemic.

Why? Because they don't have internet. They don't have laptops. They don't have desktops. They don't have laptops. They don't have desktops. They don't have iPads. Now we get to a whole issue of economics in this country. They don't want to confront what is real about America and its history when it comes to black people. Absolutely, Roland. And let's be clear, they are lazy and mediocre. When I looked at the piece by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and I'm glad you used that term, distill, because it's amazing to me that many of these publications are begging, do you hear me,

begging for people to subscribe to their particular publication so that they won't be obsolete, like many other publications have. But then you have the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, who should be covering this whole George Floyd lynching, but then use it as an opportunity to talk about George Floyd in 2007, George Floyd in 2011. Where we're going to talk about 2007, you're going to have to talk about Amy Klobuchar, because as Dr. Greg Carr just pointed out, Amy Klobuchar was the prosecutor, the chief prosecutor, to be exact, during from 1997 to 2007. And she ran on a platform that she successfully won on, which talked about making sure that

people who committed crimes were punished and that they were punished severely. This same officer, the lead officer, the officer that did the lynching, Derek Chauvin, I think his badge number is 1087, if I'm correct. But we look at, he had 10 infractions, and of those 10 infractions, those civilian reported complaints, we look at seven of the 10 were closed without any further input, without any further history by his officers in law. And then we look at the other three, those were oral reprimands were given and these were by civilian review boards. So when, as you continue to connect the dots, we also have to talk about what you're talking about, which is largely all politics is local. who is on those damn citizen boards?

And how is it that we are not engaging in a way that says, hold up, you have got to be accountable, too? So as we look at media and then if we look at as an extension of media, different actors, we have to make ways and roads so that we can also be engaged to really flip around some of the things that we could also be engaged to really flip around some of the things that we're seeing. And that's people who are in elected positions, people who run media organizations, making sure that we support media organizations that do reflect and look like us and have and carry these types of conversations, but then also publications that do the same thing as well.

And that, what jumps out at me, Recy, here again is media is sitting here going, oh, my goodness, what's going on? Had you dealt with the thug cop the previous 10 times, Monday doesn't happen. Amen. Right. See, everybody forget the same city. Last year, the mayor, Recy, said get rid of this warrior training the police union said fine we gonna do our own warrior training see if we gonna start talking about how do you deal with police attitudes and behavior you can't talk about what happened on Monday. You got to talk about what happened the previous six months and year and two years and five years.

And see, mainstream media ain't trying to show up for that because, see, for them, it's the spectacle of the video and the aftermath as opposed to all the other stuff that needs to be covered in between. Absolutely. I mean, that's exactly right. That's what it is to them. It's a spectacle. And it's also interesting that the media feels perfectly comfortable putting on display our pain, our trauma, when you have people that are breaking down in tears and people who are distraught and sobbing at just this almost hopeless despair that they feel about this constant drumbeat we have of black people being murdered by the police or even by, you know, vigilantes, slave patrols, however you want to characterize it. But then when it comes to broadcasting our anger, then all of a sudden it's not quite so fun. Now you have to put the spin on it that Tucker Carlson put on it. But absolutely, I also think it's interesting, since you all brought up Amy Klobuchar, you know, it's really interesting to see how people go from

justice for George Floyd and we need accountability and there are systemic issues. But then when it comes to something that is a stain on her record in terms of declining to prosecute over two dozen cases in which cops killed people. I mean, in one year, cops killed three black people. 2002, cops killed three black people on her watch. And she punted to these grand juries. We have to also talk about these grand juries, not just these police officers, but the culture that it's okay in this country to kill people if you are a cop, particularly killing black people. And so people did not like the fact that that is being brought up right now. But yes, but before her angle came in, you all were about accountability. Well, if you're going to have accountability, let's talk about the obvious cultural problem that there is in that city with the DA's office

and with the police, with the police department that says that it's okay to kill people dozens of times and nothing happens. And I want people to understand, because some of y'all might be saying, Roland, why you keep bringing up media? Because what did Reese just say and Erica and Greg say? Oh, y'all can turn on TV right now and take your time. Y'all going to see black people all over MSNBC and black people all over CNN. You might see a lot more black people on Fox News. I mean, they all... But do you see that same thing

next week? When the story dissipates? See, I'm trying to tell y'all. See, it's amazing how quickly they can find us on stories like this. But they couldn't find us on coronavirus.

We found us. Wasn't that hard? Wasn't that hard? Sam Weiss with NFL Network was complaining about how is it that, why he doesn't see HBCU experts on these networks talking about these sort of situations.

And I tweeted him. I said, because these networks talking about these sort of situations. And I tweeted him. I said, because these networks only want to hear from black folks who are at the Ivy League schools. So if you black from Princeton and Yale and Columbia and Harvard, all of a sudden they could talk to you. But they ain't going to call Greg. They're not going to call somebody who is from Morehouse or Spelman or Dillard. They're not going to call anybody from other places.

Now, these are folks who've studied these things, who speak on these things. But again, I need people to understand what this infrastructure does. You've got to go back to the 68th Coroner Commission report. Y'all, this thing is all linked together whenever these sort of situations happen they want to deal with that much of the issue whereas for us we looking at all of this see they don't want to deal with the economic piece the education piece they always want to go to well maybe it's training. I got into it because with Greg Gutfield of Fox News, because a media banners had posted this

link where he said, uh, this discussion, let's just take race out of this for a second. And I was like, that's stuck on stupid because you can't remove race out of this because race is at the center of this. He tell and he responds, oh, you're ignorant. You didn't listen to my whole comment. I'm like, I don't listen to your whole comment because the moment a white man says, can we remove race from this? Then we can stop having a conversation because you can't remove race from this, then we can stop having a conversation because you can't remove race from this. Let me remind y'all and I'm going to try to find it. I think it was Virginia.

There was a white cop who had a white boy by the neck. He was fired the next day. I know some of y'all might say, but Roland, these cops were fired. Yeah, but Floyd was killed. Right. See, it took Floyd being killed,

murdered on tape for them to say, yeah, you gotta go. I'm gonna find a photo. Greg, go ahead. I was gonna say, you remember about two years ago, there was an Australian national, Justine Daman, who was killed in Minneapolis.

The cop that killed her, Muhammad Noor, was convicted a year ago this month. He was the first police officer, Somali, first police officer in the history of Minnesota Minneapolis Police Force to ever be convicted of murder. And he got put in jail, and then they paid DeMond's family $20 million.

Now, I don't remember the Minneapolis Police Force surrounding his house. I don't remember any of this going on. Swift Justice. And in the wake of that, Arundando, the Minneapolis police chief who acted so quickly after he stayed up all night Monday night, that's when he became the police chief. This is very important. I'm not advocating

that anyone burn anything down. I'm not advocating that anyone not burn anything down. What I'm advocating is that instead of pleading for our lives, we take action, whatever form that action takes. And if that action is collective action, that's when we get results. Now, as far as the white facing media goes, you know what? I respect Fox and I respect Tucker Carlson. You know why? Because he understands his little illusion is evaporating before his little eyes. He's fighting desperately for his way of life that is already dead. And his death rattle are these little peeps. Now, Candace Owens, whose name I don't even repeat, I'm mentioning her now because unlike the rest of us,

Roland, you have to wage war with them because you are out there on this platform battling for us, as you say, till hell freezes over, then you're going to fight on the ice. But Candace Owens, of course, is a mercenary. She will say anything that will enable her checks to keep coming. And finally, when we see, and I got a lot of friends at those Ivy League schools who are right now on these white facing platforms doing their best. And God bless them to translate black rage for white audiences. I respect that. I've made the choice not to do that. I've been on MSNBC, CNN, you name it, the broadcast media.

I had a dust up with Brian Williams that went viral when MSNBC came to have a dialogue on race at Howard and had nobody from any black college on the stage. And at that point, they gave me the microphone and the thing went down in history because I was like, do you understand that this is the problem? The point is this. White facing commercial news entertainment media is a thing of the past. As we heard our sister Erica say, they are dying. They are clamoring for readership. But guess what? It ain't never coming back. Put five on Roland Martin and filter. Support black news media and turn

away from explaining your humanity and let's live in the world as freaks and watch this thing collapse. Folks, there were four cops involved in the death of George Floyd. Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tu Thao, and J. Alexander King. Even though Chauvin was the one of George Floyd. Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tu Thao, and J. Alexander King. Even though Chauvin was the one who killed Floyd, the other three stood there watching him

do it and did nothing. Now, to talk about this, this bias is Dr. DeLacy Davis, a former police officer who recently completed his doctoral degree, looking at the factors related to police officers shooting unarmed black men. Doc, glad to have you on the show. The thing here is that when we see that video, he's on his neck. The cop is standing nearby. He's focused on the audience, telling them to back up as if he's oblivious to the pleas of George Floyd. As if he didn't even bother to turn around to say, hey, man, he's in distress. He's just like, we good.

Yeah, Roland, you saw what I saw, and you and I have had this talk several times, and that is that in the police department, you know who the crazy police officers are. You know who the racist police officers are. You know who the crazy police officers are. You know who the racist police officers are. You know who the brutal police officers are. So I'm sure the officer with his back to the incident heard all the things that we heard, and we heard Mr. Floyd crying out and pleading for his life. Unfortunately for them, there's a policy in their own agency that is the duty to intervene, which says that a sworn officer has an obligation to protect the public and other employees. And they had even more of a duty when a sworn officer is using force that should not be

used or should have not been used. They had an obligation affirmatively to stop it, and they failed to do that. And that's and we see these things. I remember the video we showed in L.A. where this cop was beating this homeless man, and the other cop just sort of stood there, and he sort of moved, and then he just sort of stood back. At no time did he even stop. Look, man, stop. I mean, it is as if it's like, you know what?

Hey, let me know when you're done beating the hell out of him. Yeah, well, you know, you also have to remember that it's a decision that an officer has to make. And I did an interview earlier today and someone says, well, DeLacy, isn't there a risk? I said, there is a risk. And so there's a risk if you say nothing and there should be a price for you to pay in your own community for saying nothing. And there's a risk when you do something. I testified against police officers while on the police force because the force that was being used was inappropriate and unacceptable. And it didn't matter to me that these were Black police officers. They were wrong, and I intervened. I am a Black man first and foremost before I'm a police officer,

and they have failed. I think, you know, I said earlier that these officers should be punished even more severely because they watched it. They did nothing, and they had an obligation to do something. It's, as I've said, the organizational culture of law enforcement, it's white male dominated, racist, sexist, homophobic. And then you might find a good cop. And my challenge to my colleagues even today is for those who claim to be good cops to stand up, to speak up and to take an action. But what you just say when you testified, let's just be honest. When the cop testified in Baltimore, they left a rat on his car. Not only that, in another case. Absolutely. In another case, all right, there was a cop who was ambushed and killed in Baltimore.

The people who did it haven't been found. Allegedly, he was going to testify the next day before a federal grand jury investigating other cops. Now, I can't remember. Maybe you can help me. I can't remember the last time a cop was gunned down and nobody been arrested. The reality is that law enforcement has operated with impunity. And again, in these corrupt agencies where we have corrupt behavior, police officers know. I mean, Serpico was the movie that came out in the 70s in New York City. And so Serpico is real. There is a blue code of silence. There is a wall of silence and there is a price to be paid. And I understand that very clearly. I understand it.

It still doesn't negate the responsibility that we take when we take the oath to protect and serve the people and not the police. You have to make a decision. You have to decide if you pick this profession and we do. The profession doesn't come and pick you. If you choose this position, then you must go the full length of what the job requires of you at all costs. Now we've got some questions for our panel. I'm going to first start with Recy. Yeah, my question is, what do you think can be done in terms of these civilian boards? Because that's where we're really seeing a lack of accountability as well. Well, you know, I'm 50-50, first of all, on civilian review boards, only because I don't think that they're necessarily effective,

especially if they don't have subpoena power, if they're not appropriately funded, and they don't have the resources to investigate. So where we can get involved, I think we should be on these boards. We should be a part of these processes. I worked for many years with Emma Jones in New Haven, Connecticut, where her son Malik Jones was gunned down in 98 by a police officer. And we just last year were able to get a civilian review board with subpoena power, with funding, with investigators, and precluding police

officers from participating on those boards. So, yes, I think we should be fully engaged in utilizing all the tools available to us to prosecute violent and terroristic. Erica. Yeah, thank you, doctor. So my question for you is around community policing. seen. As we see more incidents in neighborhoods that just begin to rapidly gentrify, how can we assure that in the event that someone who, in law enforcement, does need to come out to respond to a call from a grocer or needs to respond to a call from someone's home, that that particular law enforcement person has already had some level of engagement with the community, has a relationship? So I think there are a variety of things we should do, and certainly that was

one of my areas of expertise. We have to make sure that we're engaging the process in a meaningful way. And what I mean by that is I don't think that we should have to worry about controlling the police if we control the people who control the police. They're an arm of the government. They absolutely are. This is the reason why you see them firing these officers quickly. I agree with Roland, because they want to sever liability. But at the end of the day, we want the police officers in our community to come into the community before we have an incident. We want to have a relationship. We want to know who you are. I've said to officers in my own community, I don't even know you. I haven't seen you. I've been here 50 years. Who are you? So why don't we have a meet and greet. I haven't seen you. I've been here 50 years. Who are you?

So why don't we have a meet and greet? Why aren't you? When I worked in East Orange, New Jersey, one of the things I did in community policing was I would rather, because my officers were not making arrests, because we weren't bringing guns and drugs off the street, how do I evaluate the effectiveness of a police officer? I evaluate them by them being able to tell me who are the informal leaders in the community where you're working. Who is the leader? Who's the grandma? We're the food. Who do we talk to? Who has the power in that community? And how do we resolve problems when we have conflict? That is how we evaluated around community policing, not making arrests. I adopted with my mother, by the grace of God, four children while a single police officer on the police force, because these were young people that I met in the course of my duty. And my colleagues did the same

because we were embedded in our community. So when we went in, we weren't going in busting heads. We weren't putting our knees on people's necks. I knew if I was talking to someone from the community, I didn't have to shoot him because I knew who he was, where he lived, and I could talk to him later. They've got to fully engage our community. We have to demand that from those folks who come and ask for our vote and who we give our dollars to in our community. We must demand how we're going to be policed, and we must be a part of that process. Greg.

Thank you, Roland. Dr. Davis, good to see you again, brother. Good to see you, brother. And I want to follow in line of what our sister has just laid out. And that relates to the question of community policing, but also a very specific question as it relates to police union. What you just described is really an alternative to the way policing is created systemically in this country. We know policing comes out of enslavement, the policing of black bodies, and I'm a person who believes in abolishing those systems of policing

and creating the kind of alternatives that you've begun to describe. Now, the question revolves around what we've heard Roland talk about on this show a lot of times, the police union. We know that Bob Crowell, the head of the police union in Minneapolis, was saying that Derek Chauvin was not the guy at the Trump rally.

He knows because that guy was Mike Gallagher, the president of the police union in Bloomington, Minnesota. The police for Trump are in charge of the police union in Minneapolis. Brother, how do those kind of officers like you, like those black and brown young women and men, join the police force with the idea of creating an alternative in our community to the policing system, which must be abolished. How do we take over? How do you take over the police union, which is where you see the deepest concentration of these Klan members? How do we dismantle the police union? So I think there's a variety of ways.

First of all, the police unions, we have to sue them and hold them accountable. We also have to sue police officers in there, not only in their official capacity, but individually, because when they start paying personally. That's right. That's right. Then their behavior will change. See, we're not holding them accountable effectively. You know, it's all tematics. The attorney at New York used to say very often black people are knocking at the wrong door. So we need to sue them personally. We need to sue their union and tie them up from that perspective because the resources exist in our community. Then one example that I have is Rochelle Belal, who was the president of the Black Police Officers

Association in Philly, the Guardian Civic League. And she decided to run against the black male sheriff who had all sorts of issues going on there because she wanted to make change for the community. One, to make sure that black homes stayed in the hands of black people. And so she ran against the machine, a three-time incumbent, beat him by 20,000 votes. And now she's the first black female, female at all, elected sheriff in 186 years in Philadelphia. I'm a part of that transition team with Dr. Tyrone Powers and others. So we're beginning to try to build power bases around the country and in some of these communities where we can take control. She's got 400 officers working there. And so we can

shape it. She's putting women in positions of power where there were always men and women of color are getting opportunities to lead and to make a difference and to lead with compassion. And so all of this has to happen in and around the community. And we have to be engaged. We also have to bring young people through the process. The young people that I brought into the police force, I've now retired, obviously, but they now have rank. Most recently, a young lady that's in my old job in community services is a lieutenant now. I've guided her the entire career. She lives in community.

She's committed to the community, and her children are in the community. So we have to work at all these different levels where we are to make change for our community and be committed to it. One hundred percent. It's not a walk in the park. It's not a protest. It's a way of living. And then, of course, you have folks like Dave Hollenbeck, who is a wrestling coach who go to my iPad, please. Posted this video on his Facebook page. He's from Washington State. Not dead yet. I'm doing this for our police officers.

The media is a race-baiting machine, and I'm tired of it. I'm going to speak out every time. If you don't like that, I'm sorry, but I love all people. Wake up, America. And, of course, he was interviewed. The Bethel School District is investigating this. He's a first-year wrestling coach. He goes, I'm not a racist, man.

I don't have that in me. My children don't have that in them. I didn't instill that in them. I'm sorry that I offended anybody. That was not my point. I was trying to show something. He said he was defending the police officer's technique used to pin down Floyd. Well, first of all, anybody with a brain watching, Doc, is in his little photo, the

knee is on the left shoulder, not the neck. If that man in that photo put his full weight on Hollenbeck's neck for 10 straight minutes, his ass ain't doing interviews today. That's right.

That's right. There's a carotid artery there. It shuts off the oxygen to your brain. It kills you. There's no technique taught in the police academy to put a knee on the neck. It is not a compliance technique. In fact, again, me looking through their policies today and preparing for this interview, they say when there's a risk, you're only using force to gain compliance where you had compliance. Therefore, the force should have been stopped. And if you didn't stop it, the officers standing there had an obligation to intervene and attempt to stop you, which they did not. Last one for you. Are you surprised with this statement from the Veterano Order Police President Patrick Yost? Our thoughts and prayers today are with the friends and family of Mr. George Floyd,

go to my iPad, whose tragic death this week shocked and horrified our nation. Law enforcement officers are empowered to use force when apprehending suspects, and they are rigorously trained to do so in order to have the safest possible outcome for all parties. Based on the bystanders video from this incident, we witnessed a man in distress pleading for help. The fact that he was a suspect in custody is immaterial. Police officers should at all times render aid to

those who need it. Police officers need to treat all of our citizens with respect and understanding and should be held to the very highest standards for their conduct. The FOP has full confidence in our criminal justice system. That is surprising. That's very surprising from the Fraternal Order of Police. Sounds to me like our ass busted.

We better get ahead of this and not try to defend it. Yes, that is surprising. That's a rare comment that I would hear from any police union. That's surprising. All right. Doc, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Where can people find out about your organization to get more information? You can go to blackcopsagainstpolicefatalityb-cap.org, b-cap.org. And probably by next week, it'll be drdelacydavis.com. All right.

Thank you, as always. Thank you for the work. Doc, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot, man. All right. Take care. Folks, got to go to a break. When we come back, we're going to talk about coronavirus.

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More than one hundred thousand folks have died from the virus. Fourteen hundred in New York. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has been a very consistent voice keeping New York up to date today. He brought out a couple of folks to share their thoughts, including Chris Rock was one of those folks who spoke at today's news conference. You I watch you every single day and you you bring me calm. You know, you bring me joy. I didn't read the Anita Baker saying that you bring me joy every single day because I don't know what's going on. I thought I lived in the United States. I thought I lived in a country. And now I realize that we have 50 countries essentially. Right now we're in the country of New York.

I want to say I got the test today. I just got tested to come out here. I got a 65, so just passed. Just passed. I'm actually, you know, we haven't been able to perform or do any shows or anything. I'm looking at this microphone right here. Wow. Feels good. Can I just say hi, microphone?

I really missed you. I know it's been hard, but we're going to get back together at some point, and it's going to be even better than the last time, microphone. I will never take you for granted. People need to get tested, and people need to make it a festive occasion. They need to posse up and get tested. Like all the crew is getting tested. And the family should get tested.

And, you know, if you love your grandmother, if you love your elderly mother, your elderly anybody, you should get tested. And it's not just, you know, it's wherever there are poor people, really. It's wherever people are congested. So, yes, it's in East New York. Yes, it's in Brownsville. But, you know, it's also in Garrison Beach. It's also a marine park. It's also, you know, so everybody that can get tested should get tested as soon as possible. And I'm just so, you know, governor called me up and I'm

here to do whatever is required. And, you know, I hope to God that when this is over, you're still a part of the government. I don't I don't I hope this isn't the last. It's like, oh, it's over. No, I hope this keeps going on. And so, again, that's Chris Rock there speaking out on this very issue. All right, folks, Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that managing partner of the F2 group, Tom Austin, lost his lease in a venture capitalist office building after an Instagram video showing him threatening to call the police on black men who refused to answer his questions about where their office was. Austin's lease was terminated over the incident, and he has since offered an apology, saying via email he should have handled it differently.

Uh-huh. See, here's what I keep saying, Greg. Every time one of these white folks lose their job, lose their office, black folks should apply for the job. But every single time, the woman at Fidelity Temple, I mean, Franklin Templeton, okay, the VP, she have a job. They should be flooded with applications from black people saying

I want that job. Y'all, y'all want active food, go right ahead. We're going to talk about you every time. No, no question. And the video is very interesting because, of course, this is the same Minnesota, Minneapolis, where you see what's going on there. You know, white racism is very interesting because of course this is the same minnesota minneapolis where you see what's going on there you know white racism is very interesting um it also it often comes wrapped in white liberalism so this person just like cooper in new york could

have been a supporter of barack obama voted twice i mean but when you see blackness in a way that you think you can police it everybody white in the country is a potential cop. Understand that when the abolitionists are talking about abolishing policing, they're not saying get rid of police forces. What they're saying is get rid of a system where every white person in the country is the police. Meaning what?

They got a right to stop you. They have a right to ask you why you're there. And if you respond in a way they don't like, they have a right then to call the force in. Because policing in this country means the use of force to establish order. And that's what that white man was doing. But unfortunately, he's living

in a country where that's not going to work much longer. And with all due respect to our brother Chris Rock, you know, this is why you don't have entertainers engage in public briefings. Because, you know, you bring me joy. That's a little over the top, brother, because any given day that cat you talking to can exert order over you. You've got to be a little less conciliatory because that's what gives white liberals the idea that they can talk to you any kind of way. Amen. Amen, Dr. Carr. And on that note, in the piece around Tom Austin, he mentioned that he would have said the same thing had it been a bunch of women when he was talking about the way that he responded to those black men. ran up and said that on a black woman um and just thinking about how really this is when i think

about what dr carl was talking about this whole kind of like white people feeling as though or and really exercising um the freedom to be able to police black bodies i just really think about when these same white people went outside and they didn't have masks because guess who covid was supposed to just um impact solely or just the most? Black and brown folks. So, oh, well, as long as it's those folks, then I can go out and I can do whatever the hell I want to. I don't have to wear a mask. I can go and engage in activities because it's not my issue.

It's their issue. I'm also thinking about how white people have these communities that they plan and they build and they build them in such a way where only the people who are exclusive in that neighborhood can live in those neighborhoods. But these are the same people that are coming to your communities and gentrify them. So absolutely, white people being deputized to say, listen, this is where we will live. You can't come here unless you're coming here to work. And as if we allow you to work or to deliver packages, and we've seen what that response has been like here of late, that it is until that black people really stand in our power to let them know

that the very wealth that they're sitting on is the wealth that we and our ancestors built because we were the first assets on the dockets. We'll see more of these flagrant and arrogant attitudes by white people who call themselves allies, liberals, progressive, whatever they want to call themselves in. We'll continue to see more of that and not be surprised by who you see. Racy? Absolutely. I mean, everybody likes to share this quote about the white moderate.

And I be telling people, these white liberals ain't shit either. I mean, they just as bad sometimes in terms of their self-deputizing and their policing and you don't belong here. That's what Tom Austin was saying to these gentlemen in that video. And this wasn't even a residence. This was a work building. And so the notion that he, you know, knows that these people don't belong somewhere that they had been leasing for over a year is ridiculous. And I'm also happy that they recorded the situation. I saw some people, you know, being all upset. Why do you have to record every encounter because somebody is having a negative encounter? Because when Tom Austin first responded to this incident, he said,

well, they were threatening me. And that's why he was calling the police or trying to call security. That never happened. He completely fabricated that. And so that's why we need a record of our interactions with these so-called deputies, these slave patrol people who believe that they are overseers. So it's now he's had a change of heart because I guess he's gotten more flack. But at the end of the day, if you are threatened, walk the hell away. That's what I do. If I feel threatened, you know, black people, if we see somebody running,

we run. Y'all need to learn how to channel some of that energy. If you threaten, then turn the hell around and walk out. Okay. Don't engage with people. Don't walk up to them. Don't put your phone in your face. Don't threaten them. Walk away. It's just that simple. Well, speaking of walking away, the folks with the Lincoln Project, some Republicans who cannot stand Donald Trump, they want him to walk away. Here's one that simple. Well, speaking of walking away, the folks at the Lincoln Project, some Republicans who cannot stand Donald Trump, they want him to walk away. Here's one of the videos they dropped. We have some people that claim to be Republicans

and they've gone crazy. Weaver and Schmidt, all losers. Still talking about us? It's been a week now and you're obsessed. You've tweeted about us over and over. You've called us names, got your allies to censor our ad, and we're still there living in your head. Maybe instead of focusing on us, you should do your job. The Lincoln Project is responsible for the content of this advertising. Well, of course, Donald Trump is really upset because Twitter also has fact-checked him. And then guess who steps out there and he was whining, complaining about it?

Oh, Mark Zuckerberg. Of course, he went on Fox News, of course, to say that they're not going to be in the business of, frankly, fact-checking the president because that's really not what their job is. Then today, of course, Trump signs this so-called executive order, which really has no power whatsoever, limiting the legal liabilities of these social media companies. But here's the problem, Greg. He's actually opened the door for him to get sued. And so it's really interesting. Nancy Pelosi did not waste any time talking about Mark Zuckerberg. This is what she said. But that's an outrageous situation. While Twitter is putting up their fact check under what the president says about voting, they still won't take off the misrepresentations the president is putting out there by the death of a gentleman whose wife died, and

he's asking them to take down the president's misrepresentations. So it's, yes, we'd like Twitter to put up their fact check the president, but it seems to be very selective, very selective. And of course, you're Nancy Pelosi there. And what's amazing to me is it's amazing to me to listen to again this whining, if will, of Mark Zuckerberg. Greg, he is allowing Trump to lie. This is what he said to Dana Perino last night. Check this out. To fact check one of President Trump's tweets, they decided to do it on a mail in voting tweet. And I wonder what you thought about that decision, because the last time we spoke, you had just announced your policy of not weighing in on political speech. And I wondered if you thought that Twitter may have made the wrong decision here. Yeah, that's right, Dana.

We have a different policy, I think, than Twitter on this. I just believe strongly that Facebook shouldn't be the arbiter of truth of everything that people say online. I think in general, private companies probably shouldn't be, or especially these platform companies, shouldn't be in the position of doing that. And we've been pretty clear on our policy that we think that it wouldn't be right for us to do fact checks for politicians and that, you know, people should be able to hear what politicians say.

There's plenty of scrutiny already about politicians' speech. That's what a lot of the media does. So we think that that handles that quite well. And yeah, I think overall, you know, I think it's good for different companies to have different policies on this stuff. But at Facebook, we've tried to distinguish ourselves as being really strong in favor of giving people a voice and free expression. And I certainly think our policies have distinguished us from some of the other tech companies in terms of being stronger on free expression and giving people a voice than a lot of others out there. Great utter bullshit. Well, you know, I see and respect Zuckerberg's

position. I'll tell you why. Mark Zuckerberg's a capitalist. This is why I don't buy that Lincoln Republican bullshit, because the GOP and the Democrats, too, but the GOP very specifically, is the party of these corporate, quote-unquote, titans and finance capital. We can't lose sight of the systems that are teetering at this moment. Mark Zuckerberg, with his Facebook empire, and I don't have a Facebook account, and what you just showed is a reason why, one of the reasons why, is trying to preserve his market share. Just as we see Jeff Bezos has made a lot of money over this pandemic, just as we see the Apple's market share is going up as well. What he's trying to do by quote unquote remaining neutral is continue to attract people to his platform. Now, why is that important in this context? And how does that tie

to the commercial you just saw with the Lincoln Republicans? Donald Trump is bad for business, to be sure. So the GOP wants him out of the paint. But don't mistake that with the fact that the GOP's strategy and their agenda is driven by the Zuckerbergs of the world. Understand that when the states reopen, that means they can throw some of these 30 million people off of unemployment benefits. Understand that when we're talking about Wisconsin's infection number going up now as a result of what their court did, we're talking about a country where capital is driving healthcare decisions. While you're risking your life and the staff there at World of Martin and Filter, while Recy and Eric and I are sheltered in place so much so that my

nephew, Ellington Haskell Fuller, is graduating from town in Houston this weekend, and I can't go because I got a pre-existing condition at 55 years old. And the French just reported this week that 10 percent of the people with diabetes is the underlying condition died within the week if they had COVID-19. Zuckerberg is saying, I don't give a damn about none of that. I want my money. And the GOP is saying, we want you to get your money. So we got to get Trump out of the paint and pretend like we're against him. We will.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that this system is teetering, and Mark Zuckerberg is scared now. You can delete your Facebook account. You can stop playing the game they want to play, but understand at the end of the day that they are not acting in your best interest. They're only acting in their best interest. Bottom line, Bob, I hear Risi. Mark Zuckerberg has financially benefited from the millions the Trump campaign has poured into

Facebook and they don't want to challenge their lies. What he's basically saying is, oh, no, no, no, no. We know it's a lie. We know they're blatantly lying, but we're not going to correct the lie. We're going to allow the dissemination of lies. Absolutely. Trump is, by the numbers, Facebook's number one ad spender in terms of political campaigns. The Democrats in particular have shied away from big spending on these on Facebook and other social media platforms. And so Trump is where their bread is buttered. And, you know, if you have the revenues, then you have the stock prices that you keep the stockholders happy and things like that. And so as Dr. Carr said, this is all about money. It's not about the truth. And Facebook doesn't give a damn. Now I would though, like to see auntie Maxine Congresswoman Maxine waters, hall Mark Zuckerberg into Congress again

and grill him like she did the last time, because he was definitely not as confident in front of her as he was in front of. Erica. Yeah, I agree with Reesey. And let's not forget as well. Mark Zuckerberg has visited with Donald John Trump on several times, had dinners as well. And it is, I mean, bottom line, what Dr. Carr and what Recy said, this is all about a money grab. And when you do think about some of the fact checking that they have had around specific news pieces, looking at the folks that are doing that, they're right wing media organizations, so to speak, like Breitbart. So just considering exactly what this is, is a money grab. And I would just say to people who do have Facebook and Instagram pages as well, because that is a sister company to just say, whoa. Roland, can I ask you a quick question? Erica just reminded me of something. Wasn't it about a year ago that you covered right here, Roland Martin unfiltered, Facebook taking Farrakhan off?

Yeah. So how are they deciding between the nation of Islam and... I mean, help me understand that, brother. Yeah. That shows you again. So this whole idea, well, no, we don't want to do this here.

We're not regulating the speech, but you are regulating speech. But see, here's the difference. Nation of Islam wasn't dropping millions upon millions in ad dollars on Facebook. That's right. Just like Reese just told us. That's right. It's a money thing.

It's a money thing. That's all it is. And that's what Zuckerberg is focused on. But again, but I will credit Jack Dorsey of Twitter. He did fire back at his fellow tech billionaire CEO in responding in responding to what he had to say. Let me find the tweet. I thought it was quite interesting where he said, let's see. Fact check. There is someone ultimately accountable for our actions as a company, and that's me. Please leave our employees out of this.

We'll continue to point out incorrect or disputed information about elections globally, and we will admit to and own any mistakes we make. What he was saying is, you a punk ass for passing the buck, Mark. I'm a real leader. It's on me. It's also a low bar because, I mean, he's still profiting from Trump's Twitter

account. He's still profiting from the engagement of Trump's Twitter account. So, I mean, yeah, he's slightly more of a leader than Mark Zuckerberg, but that's not saying much. It is, especially, Recy, when you think about who all of these social platforms are owned by. They're owned by mediocre white men. And so I think it kind of goes back to a point that you've been making for quite some time, Roland, about having our own platform, specifically your

platform, and then talking about those verses that we've been seeing that have been kind of giving us some black joy here lately and talking about the real how important it really is that we take those eyes and we capture those dollars. Those platforms are free. Be clear that Instagram and all of the like are making money off of that. This is the importance of us having and building our own, I want I I wasn't to do this, but I just decided by 20 seconds ago to do this here. You know, what's really interesting to me is when I look at some of these people who got lots of stuff to say about black folks. And I'm talking about these crazy conservatives like Candace and Brandon Tatum. So, Brandon Tatum, again, let me be real clear y'all, there are a lot of black conservatives

we've had on this show. There are black conservatives who we know, we're friends with, we might disagree on issues. There are black liberals who I disagree with on a lot of issues. For me, it ain't liberal versus conservative. It's my position on various issues.

But Brandon Tatum, he goes by Officer Tatum, he's always running his mouth how he's a former cop and running his mouth. So three days ago, he tweeted this. People are so ignorant, it's mind-blowing. Ahmaud Caisse, Breonna Taylor, no knock warrants. I will debate any one of y'all live on IG or YT.

Instagram, YouTube. If you bad, then respond to this post. We can do it live. Tell your prepaid legal lawyers to debate me if you too afraid I've had enough. That was sent three days

ago. I responded. I said, Brandon, pick a day this week you want to come on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Pick a day. We'll be right here. I sent the email, info at rollingnessmartin.com. Has little Tink Tink responded? No.

He hasn't responded. Then, again, running his mouth, y'all. I mean, bumping them gums. Talking trash, but not wanting to debate on this issue. Now, see, I said, come on Wednesday. I got Scott Bolden and Robert Petillo. I'm like two more than happy to discuss the issues with you. Y'all, he ain't responded. See, I told y'all, look, Candace Owens, her ass been running from me for two years.

I told y'all that I told y'all her little boy, Charlie Kirk. He been running to. In fact, when I ran to him outside of the White House, he actually said, well, I need to ask him. I said, hold up. I thought she worked for you. You got to go ask her. I told y'all when they had their little black conservative gathering in D.C., we got approved for credentials, and then

all of a sudden, our credentials were taken. They didn't want that heat. Why am I saying all of this? I'm saying all of this, y'all, is because if you're going to jump your ass on Twitter and you get all puffed up and said anybody,

but now you're scared. You know what we call that? Selling wolf tickets. We call that being a punk ass. Or if I want to go new school, pure bitch assness. Right.

See, you not gonna sit here and challenge black people and say if any of y'all want to debate, come on. But why you scared? Why are you afraid? Why is it that, Brandon, since you talking all big and bad,

you afraid to come to the black space? And then I love this one, y'all. In fact, he was in fact he was answering some little questions on on his little YouTube channel and y'all go ahead and take it listen to this if you were in

Gregory Floyd situation if the officers refused to get up from your neck how would you react towards the cops um I think I wouldn't be committing crimes in the first place, but let's get past that. I wouldn't fight the cops either, so let's get past that. Once I'm on the ground, I think I would be being submissive.

I would be like, I'm done. See, he was talking a little nonsense. Let me go ahead and see if I can advance it. Y'all might want to hear this here. I got to play this here, y'all. I'll play my final video. Y'all go ahead and pick it up. I just want y'all to have a little laugh.

If that would have saved his life, that would have been a chance that you should have took. That guy, Brooke, it should have been a chance that you should have took if you thought it would save his life. You know, because then people don't have to sit back and say, what if I would have done something? You don't have to do that. If you feel like you're going to save a man's life, then take the chance of getting shot. And I think, I think if the man really was dying, I think you'd be a hero, not videotaping. What's your thoughts on Roland? It's Martin. Roland Martin is a dummy. This is the question that I answered. In my personal opinion,

I think Roland Martin is an idiot. I would go and have no real discussion. He bring on people that hate me and Ken all the time just so he can prove his point. Let's see. CrowFu, thanks so much for another super chat. Just remember... Now, y'all, that's what he had to say.

But let me go ahead and I think I found another little comment he made. I just want to play it for y'all. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. And then y'all going to be the Wild Wild West. Jason, thanks so much for the super chat. Do you think the cops really wanted to kill this guy? I think I read that already. Sorry about that.

What's your thoughts on Roland Martin? Somebody just asked me that. Hold on, let me see if I can get that on the screen. I'll get to you in a second. Somebody said, what's your thoughts on Roland Martin before I get to this super chat? I think Roland Martin is a political pun. Like, I think he just hates black people. He hates conservatives. I mean, not black people. He hates black conservatives. He hates conservatives. He hates Donald Trump. He's a diehard Democrat. He would be disingenuous. Even if his mama was telling him he wrong, he would be disingenuous. Even if his mama was telling him he wrong,

he'll be disingenuous to push his agenda. That man is a slime bag, in my opinion. I don't like Roland Martin. I think he's a slime bag. Anyway, it was hard to watch the video. I wanted to do something, but... Brandon. See, if you're

going to talk trash, I ain't afraid of none of y'all. I can ask you a question because I don't know how this platform works. Go ahead. Let me ask you, every question I saw there to something Reesey said a minute ago with regard to Zuckerberg, there was a name and then there was a dollar amount. Do you have to pay to ask him a question? No. So what happens is on YouTube,

you can actually give right there on YouTube if you want to actually support that particular channel. And so some folks do. That's how they do it. When you invite him or Candace on, would he make any money from it? No. Well, then that's the answer. And that's it.

Because they're grifters. They're grifters see see see my deal is if you're gonna put a send a tweet out saying uh i'll debate any one of y'all life right come on see here's the deal fox news don't call me i ain't scared of none of them. Y'all, I got my own equipment at the crib. They can dial right in. I'd debate any of them. Tucker, Laura, Martha, Shannon, Lou, Varney, any of them. Pick a day. See, I ain't afraid to debate nobody. I ain't scared of nobody.

But what you're dealing with, you're dealing with weak people. They're grifters. Brandon, grifter. Because, say, I love this. He don't like black conservatives. Really? Chris Metzler? Angela Saylor?

Elroy Saylor? K. Carl James? Michael Singleton? Eugene Craig? Like I said, Chris Metzler. You got J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, Cheryl LeBron, Bob Brown, who I did a whole hour sit down with on this book. David Stewart. I can. Oh, I'm sorry. Those are real black conservatives. My boy, Michaeliams we went to the million man march together

i slept at his house that man a fourth generation black conservative but see they real black conservatives not you frauds like you are brandon and candace we know the grifton game we know jesse lee peterson and larry elder y'all ain't nothing but them 2.0. We know the game. So if you're going to sit here and talk trash in terms of, and I was trying to figure out what y'all sound like by throwing a gauntlet down, then you get scared. You know what this scene reminded me of Brandon and Candace trying to challenge

Uncle Roro. That's just my game. All right, Lunger. You go to hell. I'll put you out of your misery. Say wham. Johnny, don't! Get off! Get off! Get off!

Don't mind him. He just jumped, that's all. Pull down, Johnny. No! I want them spitting blood! Easy, son, easy. Now ain't the time. Slow down, Ringo. I tell you boys,

even I'm worried what's going to happen once Ringo runs his outfit. God have mercy. Come on. Come on, Ian. Brandon, I'll beat you, Huckleberry. He's not scared of you, Roland. Right.

But when he answered the question, and I would leave this to my brothers in psychology like Wade Nobles and some of these guys. When he was asked what he would have done if the knee had been on his neck, his answer was, I would have submitted. And then the thing that came after that said, if someone, if you feel like you can save that man's life, you should have come over because you would have been a hero. And then he said, Roland hates black people. No, no, no, no, no. Black conservatives. He wasn't talking about any of the people you named. He's talking about Candace and himself and the Griffins. Let's put all three of those things together. I'm scared of white people. I need them, but they're favored. If they're going to take my life, I will give it up to them rather than resist. I would like to believe that one of you who loves black people will come and save my life. You would be a hero. Roland doesn't like black

people who would just submit and even give their life. He'd prefer to be with those people who might come and save my life, the heroic people. But that doesn't include me and Candace because Roland doesn't like us. There it is, bro. Amen. All I'm saying, remember that this is the same guy that when you showed a picture of, um, on last week that he was the same guy that had on a medium shirt, um, and plastered on that shmedium shirt was a picture of his master. I know that that's a term that they always like to use talking about

get off the plantation. Well, baby, you lead because you had a picture of your master plastered on that shmedium shirt and that painted on beard. All I'm saying is, all I'm saying, Recy, if you gonna challenge folk publicly,

don't punk out when they respond. Perry, you know I'm about that life because I challenged Killer Mike to a debate on Kamala Harris and you offered to host it and he never responded. So yeah, a lot of people feel comfortable preaching to the choir,

preaching to their grifter, their grifting clients. But when it comes to having an actual substantive conversation, they know they can't hack it. We saw that he couldn't even hack it with his own folk. He was the one who got all rah-rah and, you know, nigga this and this, that, and the other and, you know, threatening violence upon people. And so he knows he is absolutely not cut out to come on this show and go up against you because you actually know about black conservatism. And all he knows about is grifting. And I won't say the other word I have in mind. All I'm saying, all I'm saying is.

Because ain't nobody scared of you, little boy. Nobody. Because you're dealing with a grown ass man man here y'all know what time it is Well Karen got hungry for hamburgers And y'all the line wasn't moving fast enough for Karen And this is how Hamburger Karen responded Fucking Christ, hurry up. It's not us. Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's not us. I know, I'm sorry.

Hurry the fuck up. Hurry up, you guys. Fuck, fuck, what the fuck? I don't care. You're not going to be such a fuss. All right, we're here. Please hurry up. You're really going to be such a fuss.

Okay, and then we're short-staffed. What are you going to do? Okay, I don't know. Are you going to stay here with me? I don't know. I want my fucking murder. You can stay here with me. Hurry up, please.

Please, please, please. It's not the problem here, you fucking pig. No! Did you just say the N-word? No, I did not say the N-word. No, I did not say the N-word? No, I did not say the N-word! No, I did not say the N-word! No, I did not say the N-word! Excuse me. Look, I just want a hamburger!

I'm just so fucking hungry! Please, hurry up! I'm not saying the N-word. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about the N-word. I'm really sorry about the N-word. I just can't help myself. I'm tired. It's a long line, you guys. It's just me.

It's only one part of my journey. It's just me. Okay. I'm actually, I feel like I'm cold. You might as well, so I think I will come online a little bit. So you used the N-word, then I didn't use the N-word. I I didn't use the N-word. I'm sorry for using the N-word. I can't help myself sometimes.

You know what, Roland? That reminds me. I've been reading, rereading Stokely Carmichael, Fahmy Turei's book, Ready for Revolution. Yep. I love this brother in life, and I love him in death. It reminds me, women, when they were on the Meredith March Against Fear, and they were getting ready

to drop the call for Black Power with Imposter Rickson and Carmichael is standing next to Martin Luther King and he said, you tell the Mississippi police that all the scared in words are dead. They done shot

all the rabbits. They gonna deal with some men. And Dr. King keeps rubbing his head like, oh, God, oh, God. And then they drop the call for black power. I'm imagining what if we had been in my hometown of Nashville or Houston or down there where Eric is from in Georgia, and they sit at a counter and somebody used the N-word. And instead of just getting milk poured over their head or something, they turn around and say, what? And started a brawl. What we just saw there, like Kwame Ture said,

all the scared black people are dead. So guess what? I didn't say that. When you saw that door crack open, you think $9. Y'all gonna miss me on the ass in this 2020 America. Hashtag team, whoop that ass about to show up, Erica. Oh yeah, because let me tell you something.

My first was by a mediocre white boy that thought he had the liberty, because we had just moved to that particular city, to call me a nigger. And I absolutely showed him. I watched his face turn red when I punched him in the gut and him go down slowly and sit there in pain and call for the teacher. I watched that. And let me tell you something. The only thing my father had is question for me was, did you beat him? So this is where we are. This is the crop of people. And I want to say that those same people that were arguing to say that, um, this is not your grandfather's, your grandmother's. I had these hands. They had hands, too. But be very clear. We have hands.

And we will give them to you. Amy, Carrie, Tom, Beckett, whoever it is, we will give them to you. Try it if you want to. Race it. You know, the energy switches when you get out the car. Because I've had one of these crazy-ass white people honking at me in D.C. I mean, laying on the horn. And I got out that car and let me talk.

She almost pissed herself. She drove off so fast. But I was about to beat her ass in D.C. Because I was like, you don't even have to get to the N-word. The fact that you're sitting up there honking at us and we at a red light is enough. And I know people are going to talk that's ghetto, whatever. That's fine. Sometimes it has to be that way.

Sometimes you have to take a little risk when people are out of pocket. So she definitely got off easy because the honking alone would have got me out the car. All I'm saying is whether you honk your horn or you beat your or you thump your chest on Twitter, Brandon,

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