#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 5.28.19 RMU: 'Racist as hell': Meek Mill rips Las Vegas hotel; Texas cop kills man in his home

Episode Date: May 30, 2019

5.28.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Meek Mill says Las Vegas Cosmopolitan hotel is 'racist as hell' after they turned him away; Baltimore cops call young people criminals on social media; New body cam video shows that a young man in San Antonio, Texas was murdered at home by a police officer; Does Sen. Bernie Sanders know what's best for African American children when it comes to education? #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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rapper Meek Mill says he is going to sue the Las Vegas casino, the Cosmopolitan Hotel, saying they are racist as hell after they turned him away. And they haven't explained exactly why. Other rappers are saying, y'all won't see any of us unless y'all deal with this problem. We will fully explain. In Baltimore, the police department is taking heat for calling young people criminals on social media. First of all, it's the idiotic fraternal order of police, but we know how they actually respond. Also, newly available body cam video shows a young man in San Antonio, Texas,

murdered at home by a police officer. Folks, this is stunning video. The brother was at his house. The cop came with a flashlight, looking through his door. And when the brother says, man, what are y'all doing? Shots ring out killing him. This cop should be indicted for murder.

The Senator Bernie Sanders know what's best for African American children when it comes to education. We'll talk about his thoughts about charter schools and also what lessons Robert Smith taught Morehouse graduates and others about giving back.

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Martin Cameras play a huge role when it comes to documenting racism. That was the case when Meek Mill tried to get into the Cosmopolitan Casino in Las Vegas. Then this happened. I respect that, but I don't have this. How can you tell me I'm gonna be locked up with trespassing. Yeah, we're a private property at this time with the information we have. We're refusing to do business with you. We have the right to do that. But what information? But no, no, but not refusing to do business

with me. You were telling me I'll be arrested if I don't leave. If I walk upstairs and get something to eat, I'm gonna be arrested for what? For being a rapper? For what? For what though? What did you officially protest me for? For what? How? Sir, sir, sir. Who do we get the details from? Say no more. Let's say no more. Send me that video. We'll get you that information. You don't even have I'm not accusing you of doing anything, man. Everyone's trying to chip in and put their two cents in, right? So, again, I wasn't there. I don't know. This is way bigger than me.

Obviously, you're somebody. Can you stop recording me? No, no, no. Absolutely not. Okay. So, actually, go ahead. Record me. Obviously, you're somebody can you stop recording me? No, no, no, absolutely not. Okay, this is actually go ahead Record me. That's fine. Can we can we can we can we figure out property? I hereby warn you that you're trespassing on this property But listen up as defined by Nevada regress that you're 207 on 200 if you don't leave premises immediately You will be subject to arrest for a misdemeanor what you're such subsequent return to these premises after being duly warned. For what? Arrested for what? Subject to arrest for trespassing.

Arrested for what? Do you understand this? The warning. Again. Now, the attorney for Meek Mill is demanding an apology from the Cosmopolitan. Other rappers have weighed in. Go to my iPad, please. 50 Cent posted this.

Damn, boy, they wouldn't let Meek in. Ha, ha, ha. I know he was tight. They filed for that. I won't stay at the Cosmo until this is resolved. Also, I'm going to pull up T.I. He also had something to say about this as well. Again, what you're seeing is many of these, this is the video.

T.I., this is America. We're being black around hateful redneck. Police can kill you. Actually, there's another video. Let me pull up. Here it is here. This was his. He said, as a cosmopolitan, please explain hashtag us or else.

More than 6,000 comments there as well. Our panel right now joining us, Malik Abdul, Vice President, Black Conservative Federation. Also, Kelly Bethea, Communication Strategist, as well as Dr. Jason Nichols, African American Studies, University of Maryland. Folks, his was strange here. So they tell Meek Mill based on information that we have, but they don't say what the information is. He was going to, it was about 3.30 in the afternoon, he was going to a party there that a DJ was actually holding. But for you to say you're trespassing, but you don't tell somebody why they're trespassing, makes no sense.

That's why you have discrimination laws. Right. I mean, it really doesn't make sense. I mean, I think we clearly see that there's a racial motivation here. And I think, you know, Meek Mill is good to put this out there. This is one of the great things about having cameras. Everybody has a camera. Of course, you had the guy said, can you stop recording? Hell no, of course not. You know what I mean? He has every right to record that. And, you know, that interaction needed to be seen. And, you know, not just rappers,

but regular people need not to visit black or white if you see this kind of discrimination happening at a business. We need not support those businesses. And, you know, the cosmopolitan is, you know, just the next in a long line of businesses that have engaged in these practices. Even in Washington, D.C., they try to ban black people without saying they're banning black people. They'll ban T-shirts. They'll ban sneakers. They'll ban other things, trying to keep African-American people out. We need to stand up. And certainly some of the allies, people who say they're allies, need not to support those businesses either. Kelly, if you're a cosmopolitan, I mean, obviously, first of all, Vegas is known for a variety of reasons. If folks have been caught cheating or if they've torn up hotels, stuff along those lines.

But I would think if you're going to send somebody out there you might want to tell somebody why you're being banned no absolutely and from the looks of the video it didn't even look like he knew why he was out there in the first place it looked like he was trying to like make things up on the fly to like justify uh make mill not being able to come in um but it's absolutely ridiculous. I still, just from the looks of the video itself, there's no cause for it. Now, this is funny here. This is what the hotels told NBC News, quote, It related to a matter of security, not race.

And any reports citing otherwise are false. Quote, wise or false quote we pride ourselves on providing an inclusive environment with zero tolerance for discrimination under different circumstances Meek Mill will be welcome to the resort but not at the compromise of his personal safety and the safety of our guests that still doesn't work now it says it says now check this out. So, again, according to the hotel, this is NBC. So, here we go to my iPad. I'm reading here. According to the hotel, the party had reached capacity as dictated by city fire marshals.

And prior to Mills' arrival, police had been called on site to manage a larger-than-us usual venue crowd. When it was contacted in advance of Mill's arrival, security staff clarified that he would not be granted access because of capacity issues in accordance with both club and resort policy. The hotel said, adding that this was reiterated to Mill when he arrived. Mill refused to depart property and was then informed that any continued attempt would result in trespassing. Can we go play the video again? I want y'all to actually hear what they told me. Neil, listen closely. I respect that, but I can't tell me I'm going to be locked up for trespassing.

So here's the deal. Yeah, we're a private property. Yes. At this time, with the information we have, All right. He said, based upon the information that we have right now, you'd be trespassing. Okay, press play. But what did you officially trespass me for? We were ready to do that. For what? How? We officially trespassed you.

Sir, sir. Yes. Who do we get the details from? Say no more. Let's say no more. Vice President. Send me that video. We'll get you that information.

You don't need my information in making that decision. Yeah, can you get that? No, no, no. Stop. Guys, I'm not accusing you of doing anything, man. Everyone's trying to chip in and put their two cents in, right? So, again, I wasn't there. I don't know. This is way bigger than me.

Obviously, you're somebody. Can you stop recording me? No, no, no. Absolutely not. Okay. So, actually, go ahead. Record me. That's fine.

Can we figure out? I hear by warning that you're trespassing on this property. Come back to me. But listen up. Okay, this is real simple. If it was a crowding issue, you say it. Right. But to say, based upon the information

that we've received about you, really, Malik? Really? Yeah, it's clear that there was an obvious communication breakdown from whoever made the decision that he wasn't allowed to the guys there trying to defend it.

I mean, it's pretty clear either they did not know or they didn't want to be honest. Whatever the backstory it. I mean, it's pretty clear either they did not know or they didn't want to be honest. Whatever the backstory is, I don't know. I imagine it's probably has a bit more to do with, well, I imagine it has more to do with, it has less to do with race than we're assuming. I mean, the Cosmo is pretty, a popular hotel.

I was just there and the Migos were playing there at the hotel. So it's not like they don't have a history of allowing black people into the establishment. But in this particular place, it may have more to do with the industry in which he's a part of than race itself. But there's an intersection of race and some of the other things that we're looking at here. It's not just plainly, nobody's saying that it's plainly, oh, you don't, you know, you're not, you're darker than a paper

bag. No one's saying that. Right. But certainly, there is an element of race if we're talking about the fact that he has, you know, say he has a criminal record, or people have heard rumors about him, or he's a rapper, or whatever it is that led to him being barred from that hotel with him

not doing anything. For whatever reason. They've allowed people who've been jailed. Then race isn't out of that. Here's a piece that people have to understand. And I'm sure there's somebody who's saying, oh, why are you making a big deal because of McNeil? No, it's because we have numerous examples of African-Americans who go to bars, who go

to restaurants, who go to clubs, and are denied entrance. Folks who are at the door will make up rules. Oh, you have to be dressed a certain way. Then they go, but that white person right there has tennis shoes on. Oh, absolutely. And it's these arbitrary decisions. If you are a hotel and if it's a security issue, you say it. You don't start reading the code and if you trespass, you'll be charged with a misdemeanor.

Because I think he was wrong about the code. What if he was just saying that off the top of his head? The guy said it was way bigger than me. Yeah, but that's my point about the whole communication breakdown. What if it weren't Meek Mill? It was some other rapper. No, no, no. But I'm trying to broaden this

because it's not just rappers. No, it's not. What I'm saying is there are African Americans who have had to deal with this, whether it is hotels, whether it is bars, whether it is restaurants,

in a variety of ways, and we have to deal with the fact that you have individuals who are white, who own places. I know of restaurants where they've said, oh, no, there's too many who own places i know of restaurants where they've said oh no it's too many black people i know restaurants where they closed down because they said uh i'm sorry the clientele is just too black no i mean i agree with you there's

nothing to dispute about that but specifically with this video just the excuse that they gave in the press release to nbc that just no sense. Because if it's a security issue, Meek Mill had security. So what are you talking about in terms of security? If it's regardless... I didn't say it was for his safety. That was my thing. I was just like, he's surrounded by security guards. He's got security.

Y'all got security. He's in the safest spot. Just saying. He's in the safest spot he could possibly be in in Las Vegas, but also the fact that he was invited to this event by DJ mustard like he's Expected to be there so for the hotel to come down and say your trespass trespassing on what ground and this is also why? you shoot the video because They're what they told NBC News totally different than what you actually heard

on that video which is why which is why video is so important because folks again lie and once taking the video folks talked about lying no I'm gonna go to what happened to Santoni I'm gonna go to this right now I was in Houston over the weekend had two nieces who graduated and I saw this video and the first of, I'm warning you in advance because it could be triggered to someone who's watching this. OK, so let me set this set this up for you. Literally, a cop is peering inside of a home with his flashlight. OK, you're going to hear the homeowner. OK, come to the door. The homeowner ends up dead. 18-year-old Charles

Chop Roundtree, okay, took place in San Antonio. The video was released on Thursday. Police officer Steve Casanova was the one who fired the shots. Now, according to a statement given by Taylor Singleton, one of the witnesses, Casanova says, what's that man with identifying himself as an officer? Singleton at that point still got to confront Casanova, but none of them knew he was an officer at the time. I got folks, folks, follow me. The guy sitting in his house, some dude walks up with a flashlight and is shining a flashlight through the door at no point, as he say, San Antonio Police Department. We got to call who's here. Some warning in advance. Turn away if you need to right now. This is what happened. What's up, man? Hey, who the f*** is this?

Hey, who's here? F***! F***! F***! F***! F***! F***! F***!

Watch out, more on the way! Hey! 20, 330. He said, show fire. F***! Watch out, more out of the way. Get back. Get that f***ing dog out of here. What did you see? Hey, he had a f***ing gun. He pulled it out.

Shot fired. Okay, you hear the first one. Now I'm going to play it again because I want you to, first of all, you see what you, so you can see what happened. Then I want you to hear what the cop says at the end, which you know what that was all about. I feared for my life. Now, we're seeing him approaching the door. Now, let's dissect it again, okay? And I'm going to tell you all to stop. Stop it. Play it again.

Stop. Now, this part of the video, he is approaching the door. He has a flashlight out. At no point do you hear him identifying himself as a San Antonio Police Department officer. Press play. Stop, stop. You hear him knock on the door. You still have not heard him say, San Antonio Police Department. Stop, stop. You hear him knock on the door.

You still have not heard him say, San Antonio Police Department. You hear Charles Roundtree, who hears this knock, sees a light. What's up, man? Press play. Hey, who the fuck is this? Hey, who the fuck is this?

Stop. he fires into the house door is still closed it's a screen door cop then says shots fired press play Get that dog out of here. What'd you see? He had a fucking gun and he pulled it out on me. He's in his house as a native Texan. The law in Texas says you can protect your property. If somebody is stealing your car in your driveway in Texas, you could come out of your home with your gun, shoot them in your driveway because you are protecting your property. This guy sees a flashlight coming through his door.

You hear somebody pulling on the door. If I'm in a house and I got a gun, okay, and I can't wait to hear Dana Lash and Grant Stinchfield, all you NRA Colin Noir, all y'all people who want black folks to have guns. Okay, now first of all, we don't know if Roundtree actually had a gun. But even if he did have a gun, he's sitting in his house.

I hear somebody come to my door, I'm going to grab my gun, say, man, who is this? And you immediately fire shots into a door? this is we we've seen this before we've talked about it here before you would think by this point there would be no more stories and that we've exhausted the conversation but clearly that's not the case not as long as you trigger happy cops well absolutely you know and and within the time that i actually complete this

sentence tamir rice was dead their their officers actually complete this sentence, Tamir Rice was dead. The officers arrived on the scene and Tamir Rice was dead. So we've seen this before, you know, hopefully, you know, whatever the investigation leads, you know, there is no reason that someone should be killed by someone who's outside of their house. I mean, because it seems like that's exactly what happened here. There is no excuse for this. I hope that there is an investigation just like there were in the case with the Dallas cop who showed up at the guy's door. I hope the investigation isn't like that. Well, I thought, was it in that case? Oh, I thought they actually finally charged her. They waited for her to get her story together.

You know, they waited and let her, you know, conjure up and get her stuff out of her apartment. That was a terrible investigation. And hopefully, you know, I think what Roland said is the big point here. I live in liberal blue Maryland. You come shining a light into my house and say, what's up, man? There might be somebody in the doorway with a gun. Right. I'm going to keep it real with you.

You know, I have kids in my home, and I'm not sure what Roundtree, you know, friends, family, mother, people he was trying to protect or just protect himself. Protecting himself. He had every right, if he did have a gun. Now, mind you, here's the deal. This took place in October. Wow. The body cam footage was just released.

The family, they filed a civil lawsuit against the city and the officer saying he was not properly trained. And what was crazy about this, again, the cop says that another gentleman in the house, Devante Snowden, was reaching for a gun. Now, Snowden was actually he was shot. He recovered. He was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. The shooting took place on October 17th, but the family says

that they were in the home just simply talking, listening to music. Police say the house was well known to sell drugs, but the police report said the officer found a wooden door partially open and two people inside, one of whom opened the door.

Snowden's arrest affidavit says the door, which had been ajar, opened when Casanova knocked. And then Casanova said Snowden immediately was, I love this here, was immediately hostile towards him, asking, who the F are you? Okay, if I'm inside my house and it's a flashlight and you i don't know who you are right that's probably what i'm going to say right who are you and i'm coming to the according to police snowden reached for the gun in his waistband before casanova shot him fearing for his life a bullet struck snowden in the buttocks before going through him and killing roundtree who was sitting on a couch behind snowden. Wow. Police recovered a pistol from the home outside a partially open

window 15 minutes after the shooting, believed to have been in Snowden's possession. The police chief says it's a very unfortunate, tragic incident that happened. Unfortunately, that person who was just sitting there was killed by a bullet fired at someone who was attempting to use deadly force against police officers. So this wasn't even the person who opened the door that he shot.

No. He shot at the guy who came to the door, but the bullet went through his buttocks and hit the guy, hit Roundtree, who was killed. The problem here again is the BS. How are you firing into a home? And then you shoot him

in the butt. So how do you shoot... No, but you're firing... No, no, but you're firing into a home. Right. Like, there was no... And it looked dark. so how do you shoot it but no but you're firing no but you're firing into a home right like there was no and it looked dark but how are you but how are you saying it's not about the fire into a home right like my thing is also if you are that afraid why didn't you call for backup why do you have that job if you are identify how about this how about you get on your police department speaker this is san antonio police department i need every occupant in the house to step outside i'm probably not coming to the door with a gun at that point but but also again you are i'm inside my house i have the right to say who the hell is pulling on my door.

Right. And if I got a gun, I got a gun to protect myself. It doesn't matter if you're a cop. It doesn't matter. You don't get, just like the woman in Billy's Montana, you don't get just to walk in my crib because you're a cop. Right. Right.

And he didn't even have the opportunity to walk in. He literally was just at the door. The door is still closed. He shot through the door. And the cop said it was accidental. How the hell is it accidental if I pull my gun and I'm fired into

a door at somebody in the house? And then runs away as if somebody's chasing you. And then talks about the dog. And he probably had the gun drawn's chasing you. And then talks about the dogs. And he probably had the gun drawn the entire time. That's what I'm saying. Because he lifted that gun up really quickly. He ain't quick to draw the brawl. He had it out

of the holster. I thought it was like this. I thought he was in this position. It was like the flashlight gun underneath. Perhaps. You know, like he didn't even give anybody any time. According to Santana Expression News, again, this took place in October 2018. They keep trying to make the argument, oh, the house was known to sell drugs. It does not matter.

It doesn't matter. It does not matter if you say that they've known to sell drugs. The reality is you have the right to sit in your house with the door open and with a screen door and you don't have the right as a cop to come to one try to open my door because here's the first piece did you have a warrant right if you did not have a warrant then you should not be trying to pull on the door and if you did have a warrant you still have you still have now you have some no knock warrants but did you have a warrant no they got a call no knock raid with one person i know but one is they got a call saying there was some disturbance but the problem here again black person dead and

again i don't care let me be real clear i don't care they have a criminal record i don't care what their history is you have a right to sit in house, and you have a right to have a gun. By your side, if you wanted to. You do. Now, if this person was a felon and shouldn't have been carrying a gun, whole different deal. But still, if somebody's rolling up to my crib and I'm packing, I'm probably going to grab my gun.

Yo, who the hell is that outside? And he probably, to be honest, they said he was reaching for it. He probably reached for it because he saw him holding the gun. Okay, first of all, of course I'm going to reach for it if I got a bright ass light shining through and I don't know who it is.

I'm going to probably, yes, reach for my gun like, who the hell is this? But something that you actually said in the report, he said likely. So he didn't even know whether this person had a gun. It was like he likely had the gun. At least that's

what I heard you read. Officer Casanova saw a handgun on SP2's waistband and told SP2 to show his hands. At this point, SP2 ignored Officer Casanova's commands and continued to remove his handgun from his waistband. That's a damn lie. So within that two second period.

Hold up. That's a damn lie. Play the video. I can't watch it. Play. That's a damn lie. And listen. What's up man hey come back the end of y'all here put your hands up nothing within within that short period of time that he came to the door we're probably talking about all of 10 seconds it seemed like that whole conversation went before the guy was dead if that because i saw him he stood up he stood up

obviously with the gun he probably stood up with a gun by his side or something but the idea that the cop the cop was literally shooting through. You can see in that video that he didn't have anything on his person yet. He was standing with his hands by his side in the shadow. Yeah, see, I didn't know if you had that.

He drew for what? But he still shot into, he shot into the house. At no point did you hear that cop say, don't pull your weapon out? Identify yourself at a minimum. At no point.

At no point. At no point. At a minimum. The chief is lying. The officer is lying. And the city is lying. And again, I'm reading all these stories. And I'm reading about how well-known drug house.

I do not care. And in fact, his was interesting. There was a case we had. It was a case out of Georgia that dealt with the death penalty. Now, remember, we had one of the attorneys on the show. They were trying to keep his brother from being put to death. And Tom Joyner said, well, did the guy do it? The guy was guilty of the crime.

And he said, well, you know you know we probably more willing to fight for somebody who didn't do it this is what the lawyer said the lawyer said no tom he said where most of our laws have been chat deemed unconstitutional it was when somebody actually did it see the problem that i think a lot of us have, and I guarantee you there's some people right now who are watching right now who are saying, well, I mean, y'all defending. If you read the story, dude had a long criminal record and they were known to sell drugs. It doesn't matter because you have the right to sit in your home and not be killed by cops. You have cops must identify themselves no matter what the house is. That's why there's a thing called the United States Constitution.

That's why you simply can't just strip search somebody. You can't just shake them down. You can't just pull them over, hoping they have a warrant just to be able to search their car. No, you can't do those things. The rights of people exist, whether or not you're somebody who has done nothing or whether you have a criminal history. In this case, there's no way that this cop should not have been charged with murder because that's exactly what this was. I agree. And I'll tell you this. I never heard of a trap house that leaves the door open.

Right. You know, just keeping it real. If you're trapped, you want to keep the door closed because you don't want robbery or any other thing like that. It was at night. And people aren't just chilling in a trap house either. I just, I just, I'm just, what we're seeing, folks, what we're seeing is bothersome because what we have to understand is it keeps happening to us. I played this video earlier.

It was on, it was on, on i believe was it tis tis page i think i played it this video also made its rounds here we go to my ipad the same video here Where? Shut the car off. Where? My hand in the air. Shut the car off. Shut the car off. Hey, come shut the car off. I ain't moving my hand if he trying to shoot me. He trying to shoot me. Shut the car off. No, I ain't moving. No, my hand in the air. Shut the car off.

My hand in the air. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. All you had to do was drive up. What I was doing? What was I doing?

What was I doing? My hand in the air. My hand in the air. Shoot me. Shoot me. My hand in the air. I'm not gonna shoot you, but you're not gonna move those hands. My hand in the air. My hand in the air. Shoot me. My hand in the air. I'm not going to shoot you, but you're not going to move those hands. My hand in the air.

My hand in the air. You're telling me to shut my car off so you can shoot me. Come on now. Okay. I want y'all to shut the car off. 40 seconds later, you're not going to move your hands. There you go. Shut.

He said it. He said it. Homeboy's right. No. later you're not gonna move your hands right now I ain't touching nothing I continue to watch the video at some point he takes the guy's arm and just pulls it back I pulls it through the cuz he's his arm is through the window so he literally pulls his arm back as he's sitting in the car so he has one hand recording and he pulls the guy's arms back outside of's sitting in the car. So he has one hand recording, and he pulls the guy's arms back outside of the window of the car. And so that's why when he opens it, the guy's arm is still through the window because he did right. No, I'm not turning

off the car. It seemed like he was in the passenger seat, was it? And he's telling him to reach over and turn off. Bro, like, no, you ain't shooting me and then claiming i was reaching for a gun no he said no hands gonna stay right here it's not happening this is the reality for black people in this country sure and even so when white folks say well why didn't you just

comply that brother right there saying no i'm not gonna comply with your lawful order because that might get me killed. Right. And those are the things that we need to be mindful of. You know, a situation like this, you know, we don't know what led up to it, but the guy is literally in his car. I mean, I watched it. I generally don't watch these type of videos, but I watched it and I was saying to myself, wow. I mean, because if I were in that position, I literally would do the same thing that the guy did.

Nope, not going to turn off the car. And the guy tells the other officer, the guy who was in the car tells the other officer, no, you need to come turn off the car because I'm not turning off the car. Like the fact that he that we you know, we are seen as threats. We are like men are seen as threats and our women are seen as another video. I'm trying to find where this officer has his gun drawn and this guy's saying thing the brother's like why are you pointing your gun at me dude what he's in the passenger side i mean and and again for people out there who love to just say you know again you should just comply no the reality is terrence crutcher was walking slowly had his hands up uh and still got shot and killed because Betty, whatever her name, she panicked. The other cops, nobody else shot except her.

Right. Okay? Not a taser, but you shot to kill, and that's the problem because you can't rebound from death. John Crawford. The guy, I think, was the one in Walmart. Right, in Walmart. Yeah, Beaver Creek, Ohio. John Crawford III.

You can't come back from death. In a place's so this ain't lazarus he was walking around with a gun in a place that sold guns he was walking it wasn't real it was a bb gun right oh and this is and this is what i explain to people this is what this is what it means to be black in america when you're dealing with these cops and that that's why to me is absolutely sick when you have these nutty police officers out here like the ones in Baltimore folks. The Baltimore Police Department came under fire on social media this weekend

after a post calling some young people criminals after they arrested several people while responding to a large gathering at the inner harbor. Union President Sergeant Mike Mancuso tweeted quote, "'To our officers at harbor tonight, protect each other and don't fall into the trap if they are only kids. Some are criminals. Keep the current policies and consent decree in mind. If ordered to arrest, put the name of the on-scene commander in all reporting. In a Facebook post, the American Civil Liberties Union of

Maryland responded to that statement saying it was unacceptable. Again, that's what you're dealing with when you talk about police officers in this country, and we're supposed to somehow say, oh, no, everything is good. Everything is well. We really shouldn't say anything. Well, guess what? That's why we focus on this show, and we say what needs to be said. All right, folks, time for us to go. Go ahead. You want to make a comment? Oh, yeah, I do. And why is it that it's the ACLU, it's Roland Martin, it's other people that have to call this out? Where are all these good apples? Where are the good police officers?

Where are the good apples who are supposed to be calling this out and saying this is unacceptable? Yeah, we're the pro-lifers. Right. But I'll just add very quickly, though, I generally don't think that it's a good idea for any officials to use this type of language because it's hot. I said the same thing when Barack Obama called the people in Baltimore thugs.

So it's that same mindset. It's not even though, you know, white people, you know, we can say what we want to say about them. But when Barack Obama made those comments calling those kids in Baltimore thugs. I'm not sure how Barack Obama got into the conversation. But what I will say is that I'm not saying white officers or black officers. I'm saying officers. Because it's how he views them generally. So it crosses, as far as I know, we focus a lot on, well, this is how white people feel.

60% of the Baltimore Police Department is black. Right. But Barack Obama made those statements about the guy. So this view of black people has threats. You got to go ahead. In regards to the tweet, when he mentioned the consent decree, I just wanted to know, what are we, like three, four years out since the consent decree came down? What exactly has the Baltimore Department done? And I don't even know what he was saying.

What he was saying is put the commander's name down because you don't want to get in trouble in the consent decree. Yeah, I didn't know that. It made no sense. Well, first of all, it's the Fraternal Order of Police. That's no shock. All right, folks, got to go to break. When we come back, we're going to talk Senator Bernie Sanders in charter schools.

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it's amazing to me, the level of attention that is focused on charter schools. But it's really interesting because it is it's amazing to me the level of attention that is focused on charter schools. But here's why I think it's but it's the most dumbest thing in the world. Charter schools literally make up 10 percent of all public school students, which means that 90 percent of all kids in America who go to public schools go to traditional public schools. Yet how is the conversation all about charters? I keep making the argument. So 10% of the schools have created the funding problem for the other 90%. That is truly stuck on stupid. Last week I interviewed

Senator Bernie Sanders because he came out with his particular plan dealing with education where he wants to get rid of for-profit charter schools. They only make up about 15% of all public charter school students. The rest, folks, are non-profit charter schools. And the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, we want to talk to them about this. So joining us is Amy Wilkins Sr., Vice President of Advocacy at the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools.

So this is what still bugs me, because the problem that I have is, how are 10%... How did 10% become the problem for the 90? It's not the problem for the 90. Our school districts are stressed. They are underfunded. They need help. Their results for kids, particularly African-American kids and Latino kids, aren't what they should be.

But it isn't the fault of charter schools. So when I hear the phrase, oh phrase oh my god they're draining money okay and i have and i have these debates with people on social media all the time now the key reminding them that when they come when they say that charters are draining money from public schools charters are public schools. So this idea that they're taking money, it's nonsensical. Also, I think most people have no idea what the hell they're talking about because, one, there's this assumption that

charters are getting all this money when, in fact, charters actually get less per pupil than traditional schools. Right. When a family moves out of a school district to go to a better school, actually get less per pupil than traditional schools. Yeah. When a family moves out of a school district to go to a better school,

if I moved out of D.C. so my son could go to school in Montgomery County, D.C. would lose that same money too, right? But if I stay in place and find another school in the public school system, just like if I left my church and went to another church in the same diocese, I leave the church, I take my pledge with me. Okay, hold on, hold on. I don't want you to, I want you to run past that. Because again, this is what I think people don't understand.

It stays, the money stays in the system. If there is a child that is in the Chicago public school system and that family moved to the south suburbs, that money is allocated per pupil does not stay in the chicago public school system it goes to the suburban area exactly um but there's a totally different school district right yet if a child in the chicago public school system goes to a charter school in the chicago public school, the money stays in the Chicago public school system. Exactly. Okay, I just want to, because again,

that's what amazes me whenever we have this discussion, and so when I talked to Senator Bernie Sanders, he did say that he supports non-profit charters. That's great. But then he mentioned, of course, he wants transparency and some other things, but his distinction was that he was against for-profit charters. That's great. But then he mentioned, of course, he wants transparency and some other things,

but his distinction was that he was against for-profit charter schools. Well, he has to take that up with the state of Arizona because the state of Arizona is the only state in the 50

where a for-profit entity can hold a charter. So you can go out and talk to the people in Arizona and, you know, leave the rest of us alone. So the...

Hold on. Okay, but that's... But you have something like K-12, which is a for- The online. Online, which is a for-profit entity, but they run operations, they have students that are all over. Yeah, and we've been working, and that really is a state level issue. Senator Sherrod Brown raised that in Congress, as well as Patty Murray and both have agreed and I think the way the laws work it is a state-level issue and my organization is

working to curb or eliminate those those entities where they are doing kids a disservice and the and the thing is so I love this here because we got we got somebody here which is pretty funny I I, Robot107A, Roland Martin is being paid by charter school libraries. His show is broadcast from charter school offices. This is bad journalism. Well, actually, we actually pay for the office space. We pay for the office space.

Got him. And see, like, literally, pay for it. Oh, my God. All of it. Every month. No charity. Pay for it. Oh my God. All of it. Every month. No charity. Pay for it. Just so you can stop lying.

And here's the deal. This is why I was like, oh, you don't disclose. Oh, I've been very clear and open and transparent. Anybody can Google me. Am I on the board of 50 can? Yep. Was I previously on the board of students can? Yep. Was I previously on the board of Students First? Yep. And your point, will I advocate for charter schools? Damn right.

Why? Because I want black people to be in charge of the education of black children. And this is what gets me, Doc. I hear all these black folks. Oh, also, while all y'all out there hating on charter schools, can y'all name me how many HBCUs in America have a charter school? So for all y'all who love HBCUs, why don't y'all go Dog Howard, which has a charter school. Am I correct, Amy? You're correct, but also, most of us don't y'all go Dog Howard, which has a charter school? Am I correct, Amy?

You're correct. But also, most of us don't hate charter schools. When you look at the polling data, 58% of African-Americans support African-American voters. So charter schools, when you go to millennial. That's low data. We did the poll at TV one. We did the poll on TV one. More than 70% of African-American parents

said they were sending a kid to a charter school, and more than 70% of black parents said, I will take a voucher. Doc, this is simple, because black parents are the ones on the front line looking at their kids saying, I'm tired of my kid going to a failing school. I'm definitely not against charter schools.

I think I just was looking at what Bernie Sanders was calling for, and it seemed pretty reasonable to me. But I think as far as charter schools, the ones that produce good results, I'm all for it. know i have nothing against that you know uh malcolm x said only a fool would let his enemy uh educate his children i'm not saying anybody's anyone's enemy but certainly if black charter schools are going to educate black children i have no issue with that i mean the issue issue that I have is that, first of all, literally the level of ignorance of people who have no idea about charters. One of the things you will hear is that there's no accountability.

First of all, education in America is not federal. It's actually state and just actually local. So you have state laws. So when somebody tells me you have no accountability for charters, that's a lot. In Texas, you have a charter school. You have three years. Three years to get your numbers to an acceptable level or they shut you down. Three years.

I know of some traditional schools that have been failing black kids for 30 years and they're still in existence. Y'all, that's the law in Texas. There are other states where they have. It's not just Texas. I mean, that is the condition under which charter schools are set up in every state. It's not necessarily three years. But if you don't meet the conditions of your charter, you are shut down. That is the ultimate accountability. I went to a public school here in D.C. and in third grade, I couldn't read, right? I could not read. That school is still, I'm 60 years old, you know, that school is still under-educating black kids in this city. If it were a charter school, it would have been shut years and years and years ago. Malik, what Malik and Kelly, here's what also gets me,

because this is what just, it angers me to no end. That you have folks who fight for failure. They also believe that money is the answer to this issue when they haven't even bothered to ask, -"How is the money allocated? For instance, if you're in a school district and it's $10,000 per pupil, all $10,000 does not go to the education of the child.

It doesn't. About 70-plus percent actually goes towards administration and is paying for other things that have nothing to do with education. But see, that's the BS that folks have fallen for. Yeah, it's a big misinformation campaign. And I think it's the fact that it's become political. So, you know, you have people, you know, the Republicans are generally more supportive of charter schools and school choice. And then on the other opposite end, you have unions where Democrats are more supportive of unions.

And then Republicans wage this misinformation campaign when talking about things like. But hold up, hold up, hold up. I need you to unpack that. Because, see, Amy, this is part of the problem. Kelly, I want to bring in as well, because see, see folks don't want to deal with transparency. What you have on the left you're absolutely right unions are the biggest teachers unions the biggest one of the biggest financial supporters of democrats who largely oppose charters which is kind of stupid because the american federation of teachers has a charter school yeah they do in new york i i'm sorry

so yes they have a charter school in new y they do. In New York. I'm sorry, that makes no sense. I didn't even know that. So, yes, they have a charter school in New York City, but they're post-charters. Hello. So, that's what you have. Now, Malik, there are some nefarious people on the right who only support school choice

because they want to see unions shut down. See, so as somebody who's in the movement, I've challenged those white conservatives. Why are you here? Because if you're here trying to pimp black and brown kids for your political purposes, get the hell out. For me, this is about education, and that's the difference. And so you've got to call out folks' motives,

and there are Democrats who are in support of school choice. You have Democrats for air reform shavar jeffries at least that so that exists so we so when we talk about transparency and accountability we gotta always say what are your motives as to why you are in this let me just enter one other thing into it there's a study from berkeley a couple years ago that said that charters don't produce better results that That's my only issue with charters. There's a lot of evidence that says that they don't necessarily, and not only that, when you talk about attrition, and this is what Bernie Sanders was asking for, was just transparency

on your attrition rates. And the people, you know, charters also kick kids out that are problems. Right. So now let me unpack that. Okay. Amy, go ahead. Well, I think a couple things. Most of the evidence,ters are mixed bag.

Like there are some very good charter schools. There are some mediocre charter schools and there's some charter schools that should go away. On the whole, the evidence that we have and the soundest evidence is a study that was done a couple of years ago by the Center for Education Reform, which showed that in urban settings, black kids and Latino kids in English language and mathematics gain more days than their peers in the district-operated schools. So, in general, our kids do do better in these schools. But the thing about the — and that's really important to me, because what I want is for African American and Latino kids to do better in school than they are. But the other thing about charter schools is it gives families choices, right? When you are affluent, you've got a lot of choices about where to send your kids. You can pack up and move.

Yeah, but if you are low income, what charter schools do, you know, in Minnesota there's Hip Hop High, right, where, you know, that Prince helped found, and that is a kind of education that most people wouldn't have access to if it weren't a charter school. Here in D.C., you have Washington Latin, so a family could pick a classical education for their kids. You know, affluent people have all these choices for their kids. I want to be sure that all those choices are high quality, but I want to be sure that your

income and your race don't limit your choice. And I want to strengthen the public school system and what charter schools are are part of a healthy education ecosystem. Here's what I find to be very interesting, Kelly, whenever we have this conversation. Magna schools have been around for more than 30 years. Magna schools are specialized schools. There are people who I deal with, they say, oh,

yeah, they have lotteries, but charters can pick who they want. To everybody who's watching, I went to Jack Yates High School, traditional public high school in Houston. Magnet School of Communications. Guess what that meant? I had to apply to get into Yates Magnus School of Communications, which means somebody got rejected.

Right. But what's interesting is folks, especially the black people, I would love for the black people sitting here commenting on YouTube and Facebook and Periscope. I would love for them to explain to me how they criticize charters by saying they're selective when it's a lottery system and they're not. But then say nothing about the plethora of magnet schools in America where you have to apply to get in. Not only that, but I grew up here in D.C., and I had to apply to public schools here in D.C. to get out of my district of the middle school that I was zoned to because it was an underperforming school. I had to apply to get into a public school, a straight DCPS, non-magnet public school, just so that I could have an education at the same par as my white counterparts.

And here's the issue with study, Jason. Here's my issue with studies. I could pull any study to show you traditional schools and charter schools. Here's what the reality is. There are traditional schools that are doing great jobs. My philosophy is study them, replicate them. There are charter schools that are doing a great job. Keep them, study, replicate them.

They can coexist at the same time. The problem I have is when you have traditional schools that are failing and black people are being told wait the 10-year plan is coming and if your kids in the fifth grade they're only there seven more years so uh 10-year plan will be a little too late but then you also have this is what i told the white folks in the aid reform movement there are charter schools that are abysmal that have no business being open and should be shut down i can't accept failure the problem i have is the people who want to limit like in california right now limit the successful charters by saying oh it's bad because the school district uh is underfunded no because because y'all are out to manage your money.

And you ain't got a $35 million shortfall because 500 kids left. No, you got a shortfall for some other reasons. That's the issue that I have when we have this conversation. No, and I agree with you. I think we're, for the most part, in agreement.

And the only thing that I would disagree with that you said earlier was when you said that people on the left don't criticize the way public schools are right now. No, that's not what I said.

You know, if you look at what people have been saying about Stuyvesant and the things that are going on in New York City and the way that black kids are kept out of that. No, no, no. First of all, those are, and the things that are going on in New York City and the way that black kids are kept out of that. No, no, no. There's been plenty of criticism. No, no, no.

First of all, those schools in New York are deemed elite schools. Those, just like in Houston, we had pros called Vanguard. That's what those schools are. I'm talking about you have districts where you have 20, 30, 40 magnet schools, but where it's become accepted. And what people say is, well, but the magnet school, they're under the school board, so there's still control over it. Plenty of critiques for magnet schools, too.

That's a segregated school within a school. Yeah, but here's the piece, though. Okay, so then what do you do? How do you then create career-driven schools if you don't have something from a process? Booker T. Washington High School in Houston is an engineering magnet school.

You have to take a rigorous test to get in. Why? Because they're trying to produce engineers. Everybody can't go if you're not proficient in math and sciences, you can't pass the you're not proficient in math and sciences. You can't pass the test because guess what? You're probably not going to be a successful engineer.

And guess what? Prairie View A&M, Texas A&M, and those schools that want those black engineering, they go right to Booker T. Washington because they are producing black engineers from 9 through 12 without that school and no leg up and you were right and we talked about i think this is part of that misinformation misinformation campaign from vested interest those who don't who are opposed to charters you and those who support well yeah and you just mentioned data you know talking about just the number of us you know black people in general who support things like charter and school choice the numbers are high here in DC you know parents have to participate in a lottery where they may have five or six or seven

different schools that they simply just throw their child's name in a bag and hopefully they get put you have to get put on a waiting list you have to get put on a waiting list and you may end end up at number 70 on one waiting list. New York City, there are 20-plus thousand families on a waiting list to get into the top charter schools. So how can you not have choice? 20,000. There are 5 million kids around the country whose parents would prefer to enroll them in a charter school if there were space. Kelly, the thing that, again, what is just killing me is that our kids are the ones getting screwed. Because you have a situation where it's the one the topic is really polarizing.

But on those two poles, you have these vested interests and neither of them really are in the best interests of our children so we need to come to a conclusion where we meet in the middle and see actually go ahead go ahead like we need to meet in the middle and we need to see what's working for both both like just straight public schools and straight charter schools and just you know come to a conclusion where we can actually create schools in both categories that'll be beneficial for us here's the deal here here's the deal here i'm not meeting in the middle no no no i'm not meeting you should have choice no no no no let me be real clear i'm not meeting in the middle i am only i only give a damn about children what works for kids i only give a damn about what works for kids in this city washington dc again for all y'all folks who want to comment

please answer this in washington dc oh my god if you have these charters it's the death knell of the school system. Right now, in Washington, D.C., half of the district are traditional schools. Half are charters. Still exists. Hasn't died. Hasn't been killed. Has, oh my goodness. No, they coexist. Why can't we have, and I say this too, and again, people get mad at me,

because we talk about, you talk about private and public. This is a reality. We have state, you teach at a state university. You coexist in a state with private colleges. You coexist with HBCUs. University of Maryland. Now, granted, you got the lawsuit going on there. Larry Hogan, damn that $100 million settlement

you want to give. It should be $2 billion to the HBCUs. But the problem that I have, again, is we act as if there's only one delivery system to educate a child when we literally have a nation where there's traditional public, there's charter, there's maggot, there's homeschool, there's online school, there are technical schools, there are multiple ways. But when we are trying to control it, oh, no, no, no, bad idea. That's the issue I have. So, again, I'm not in disagreement.

My only thing, again, is so I did a little bit of work with Kip Umoja, which is in Baltimore in the Park Heights area. Food desert, low-income community. And shout out to Park Heights. Now, the issue there that I saw was that it was an amazing school. It had amazing administrators. It had amazing teachers. And they literally set up a trauma center, which was given, you know, staff by people from Johns Hopkins. Johns Hopkins helped them. They had, you know, nurses and doctors and things like that for on staff psychologists and the question is

how come we are big we've been unable to have those kinds of things in public school no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no right now how come right they're doing the right thing. Not how come. Right. They're doing the right thing. Not how come. We need to have that. We should be shifting to the black run school board saying, why haven't you done it? See, this is what happens. Why haven't we developed that kind of relationship?

But here's what happens. What happens is it leads to, no, shut them down. Stop. Shut them down. But that's not my argument. No, no, no. I know that. But I'm talking about, I've heard all these arguments. It literally, shut them down so we can do it over here. I'm going, wait a minute, why can't that exist and you do it over here? Why can't you model what they have and just allocate it?

That's what I don't understand. Amy, go ahead. No, that is one of the points of charter schools is charter schools are supposed to be nimble or supposed to be able to respond to the needs of the communities in which they're located. And then, you know, we develop the model. We show you the model. We work the kinks out. Then you have an easier path. You district-operated school because we did all the sort of beta work on it. Now here we show it to

you you it is on the school district to say oh yeah that works let's do it and guess what folks this is real simple this is real simple if a traditional school is killing it there will not be a need for a charter school see that's what it boils down to. I mean, we can sit here and holler all we want to, but people are filling a void because of what is failing. And again, we can sit here and we can run down every single problem. We can say they have not been funded from day one. We can talk about racism. We can talk about classism. We can talk about everything in the world. But at the end of the day, if you got a black kid who's sitting in an elementary school and that elementary school has an F, when you're dealing with schools where I was in Selma, let me help y'all out. I was in Selma. The first black woman who was an athletic director at a Division I program, she said the test scores in Selma are so bad, I would not authorize my scouts to even come recruit your athletes because they likely wouldn't be able to pass the test.

Wow. Four percent of black kids in the state of Alabama were proficient reading and math level. Four. Guess what? They didn't have charter schools. They do. Until three years ago. And guess how many...

So, again, for all y'all out there, okay, since y'all want to talk about data and studies, three years the law has been passed in Alabama. They have fought like cats and dogs to keep charters from opening. And Amy, how many charters in Alabama? There's, I think, two opening in the fall. Yeah. That's a disgrace.

Two. That means a massive failure in that whole state. Who you going to blame it on? Can't blame it on charters. There's only two in the whole state. That's it. They only been there in the last three years. I was there two years ago, and they only had one. So who you going to blame it on?

So what the hell are we supposed to tell the black kids in Alabama? I'll wait. I'll wait. What we should tell the black parents in Alabama? Yet we are sitting here getting caught up in this BS. No. Except for success. Say enough to failure.

That's what we should be doing. Amy, we appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, folks. Again, tomorrow we'll be in Philadelphia.adelphia uh looking forward to it we actually be broadcasting from there as well so we'll be live streaming the event uh it is free up to the public guy killing music i got one more story i'm not going to just there yet uh and so i'm going to read for you the location uh again it's going to be at uh mastery charter school mastery charter school shoemaker campus 5301 Media Street in Philadelphia.

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