#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 6.20.19 RMU: Biden under fire for working with a segregationist; Cops pulled off streets for racism

Episode Date: June 22, 2019

6.20.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Joe Biden under fire for working with a segregationist; St. Louis and Philly cops pulled off streets for racist social media posts; A Black police officer speaks out about racial division in his police department after being shot by one of his a white co-workers; Can State Senator Erica Smith help turn North Carolina blue? - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Thank you. Thank you. E aí Thank you. Thank you. Martin! Thank you. Thank you. Hey, folks, today is Thursday, June 20th, 2019. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, Vice President Joe Biden under attack for saying he worked well with segregationists early in his Senate career, then demands an apology from Senator Cory Booker, who says, hell no, I ain't apologizing for nothing. We'll also talk about St. Louis, folks, and a stunning story. Black cop shot two years ago by a white cop who says he got virtually no support from the St. Louis Police Department.

Wait till we break this thing down. And also, remember the story we did on the racist messages that are being posted on various Facebook pages? Well, in St. Louis and Philadelphia, nearly 100 cops have been pulled off of the streets as a result of those racist social media posts. Also, can North Carolina State Senator Erica Smith beat the incumbent Republican in North Carolina State Senator Erica Smith beat the incumbent Republican in North Carolina

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was some civility. We got things done. We didn't agree on much of anything. We got things done. We got it finished. But today you look at the other side and you're the enemy, not the opposition, the enemy. We don't talk to each other anymore. Well, that did not sit well with lots of Democrats, including many of the folks who are running against Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination in 2020. Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey was not happy at all. He said in a statement, quote, you don't joke about calling black men boys. Men like James O. Eastland use words like that and the racist policies that accompany them to perpetuate white supremacy and strip black Americans of our very humanity.

Vice President Biden's relationships with prosecutors are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people and for everyone I have to tell Vice President Biden as someone I respect that he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together now Biden did not back down this is was his this was his retort to what Booker had to say. Are you going to apologize like Cory Booker has called for? Apologize for what? Cory Booker has called for it.

Cory should apologize. He knows better. I'm not a racist bone in my body. I've been involved in civil rights my whole career. Period. Period. Period. This is with Greg Carr,

chair of the Department of African American Studies, Howard University, Robert Petillo, journalist via Skype. He's a civil rights attorney and Johan LeBlanc, national security and foreign affairs analyst. So Greg, I'm going to start with you. I read the comments from Biden and I get the point he was making. I would argue, which I tweeted, I said,

my suggestion, find some other Republicans who you've worked with if you want to make that point. Because when you talk about these segregationists, you talk about what they did, their entire intent was to disenfranchise black people. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, young Joe Biden ran into Talmadge and Eastland near the end of their careers in the Senate. And I'm sure Vice President Biden should probably go back and reread Robert Caro's trilogy on Lyndon Johnson, the master of the Senate. Johnson knew how to twist the arms of those segregationists, but Biden was up and coming. He was trying to make his way

in a Senate that was really controlled in many ways by those Dixiecrats. Johnson was a Southerner. That's exactly right. Biden was a Northerner. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Pennsylvania, working class Joe, as he said. And one of the things they could bond on was their whiteness. Now, you know, this is not even 10 years, just a little over, actually 11 years after these cats signed on to this Southern Manifesto. They were starch racists. But, you know, for me, I think this is probably Biden casting about for a sister soldier moment. In other words, he's trying to signal to these white folks in his quote unquote base that they're always trying to capture that they can never get. I'm OK. I know how to work that side.

Now, I think he stepped over the line when he tried to say something to Cory Booker, and that puts somebody like Simone Sanders in an impossible situation. You know, Simone is probably going to have to massage that retort she made. But the last thing I'll say is I think you really raised it, Roland, when you evoked Fannie Lou Hamer on social media. When you hear Fannie Lou Hamer talk about James Eastland at that testimony she gave in 1964 at the Democratic National Convention, that means that Joe Biden should have had the courage in the late 60s. He can't say this is

a different age. No, Fannie Lou Hamer stood up to him in the 60s. Why didn't you, young man? Right. And the reality, Johanna, is what you're dealing with here is Joe Biden also has to deal with the issue of busing in the early 70s and his comments that he made as well. And we also have to understand that this is not, first of all, being President Obama's vice president for eight years ain't kryptonite. You have a generation of black folks who hailed comments Hillary Clinton made in 92 against her. Super predator. He needs to understand that you piss off 18 to 29 year old black folks. Look what happened to Hillary. They may not turn out for you. Aside from the comment that Vice President Biden made today,

I think it's very troubling that Vice President Biden is not acknowledging racial issues in America and how the effects of that has really,like, the racial issues have really impacted the way we live, the way we see the world, and our ability to access various institutions. Like, I want a potential president who's going to acknowledge the wrongs of the past and provide me with perhaps proposals on how we're going to make the future right, right? There are a lot of issues in terms of segregation, in terms of various laws in America that have, you know, systematically oppressed people of color. I want a candidate who's going to speak on those things, right? Because especially right now, we're living in a time when we're at the crossing line,

right? We have a president that we see time and time again have expressed that issues impacting people of color are not a priority, right? So I want Biden to be more on course in terms of providing us with possible solutions. This is not the first alarming comment that he has made. This is, it seems to be a trend and I'm not sure who his advisors are but he needs to be a bit more well advised when it comes to issues impacting you can't advise someone like Biden Robert the reality is if he is who he is but here's what Ron Brownstein tweeted out earlier

Robert he says re-upping the Joe Biden campaign. Let me go to my iPad. The Joe Biden campaign is testing whether today's Dems can accept the choices earlier party leaders made when Southern conservatives were vital to their House Senate majorities and non-college whites. Many conservatives on culture slash race equal 70 percent of all voters. Now, let me on. And there was a quote he used in here. And I'm going to pull it up as well, where he said, quote, Dems in. First of all, he said Joe Biden will now force Democrats to decide

whether those earlier views are still acceptable in a party that has moved left since then on all racially related issues in response to both the shifting attitudes in the country and the increasing diversity of its voters. He also said Dems in almost every state, and certainly in presidential elections, relied on an electoral coalition centered primarily on whites without college degrees and secondarily on African Americans. In 1980, 60% of Carter's votes in his losing race versus Reagan came from working class whites. All we've heard in the past two and a half years,

three years of Donald Trump, Robert, is that you had those white voters who went for Donald Trump. You had, and I said this 60 days out. I could pull the video up on MSNBC. I said, what you cannot count are white folks who've never voted before coming out of the woodworks and voting like it or not and you have to deal with this a joe biden is saying to white voters that's right i'm a better option than trump so now the catalyst robert has to people people have now people now have to make the determination.

And first of all, I'm not handing the nomination to Joe Biden. But don't folks have to make a determination. Do I roll with this or do I accept Trump 2.0? Mm hmm. Well, part of me for disagreeing with everybody on the panel, as I usually do. I think there are 1,050 things to disagree and to criticize Joe Biden on. I don't think this is one of them. If you look at what he is saying, he is making the very particular point that the Tea Party Republicans now, that the Mitch McConnell Republicans now are harder to work with than ditzycrats in the 1970s, that the people we have in office right now who

blocked President Obama for eight years are more recalcitrant in their political acumen than people like Talmadge, like people like Eastland, like people like Strong Thurman were, who are at least willing to negotiate, who are at least willing to sit down and come to a good faith agreement. So if that is the litmus test that we're going to have for a Democratic candidate, whether or not they are completely pure on all subject matter, then it could be very difficult to build a coalition that wins outside of the traditional blue state. No, Robert, Robert, Robert, Robert, Robert, Robert, Robert, if Biden had said just what you said, we wouldn't be here.

See that, see, that's the difference. That's right. Had Joe Biden said, let me tell y'all something. When I was a young man who came to the United States Senate, we had some of the most virulent racists from southern states. I had to work with folks like Jim Eastland of Mississippi, folks like Herman Talmadge of Georgia, folks who blocked every advancement for African-Americans, you name it. And you know what? If I had to compare them to today's Republican Party, it was easier to work with them than to work with today's Republicans. That's not, and see, that's the difference, Robert.

It's not necessarily what you say. It's also how you say it. Oh, absolutely. And I think Joe Biden does need to hire better communications people around him. He has that issue where he just spouts off at the mouth as a 70-year-old white man who doesn't understand that the context is different now than it was in the 1970s or the 1980s when he was a younger person. So yes, he needs better communication people around him to tighten it up. Remember, he was always known as being a gas machine. But what I do not want Democrats to do is take this a bridge too far, create a litmus test like they did for Al Franken, where you have to be completely pure in all ways, or else you cannot be the nominee. Because otherwise, you're going to have a candidate

who can win California, New York, Illinois, and maybe one other state, and then the rest of the map is going to be red, and we're going to have four more years of Trump, and then four more years of, or eight years of Pence, and then eight more years of Ivanka after that. We have to learn that you cannot go for purity if you want to win. Obama wasn't pure when it comes to the liberal litmus test that exists now. We will never have that candidate if we want to have to win and regain national power. Greg, I agree 100 percent. But again, though, what Biden has to understand is that he also has history. Here we go to my iPad. The book Big Jim Eastland, The Godfather of Mississippi. Yes. In this book,

the author J. Lee Annis Jr. writes about Eastland mentoring young United States senators like Joe Biden. Talks about how Biden wrote letters to them, thanking them for their work on the anti-busting bill. And so that's a part of this. But again, had he articulated the way Robert did, we're not here. But when he doesn't, he said, we didn't agree on a lot. No, no, no, no. That's not how you frame two of the most violent, racist senators ever. No, I think Robert, you know, we know that they watch this broadcast.

You know, Robert gave Biden his talking point if he had said it that way. But something has changed between the late 60s and now. As you said, I agree with you, Hunter. The demographics have shifted. This isn't the same country. Between then and now, you had Bill Clinton, who, as I said, attacked Sister Souljazz a wink and a nod to those, quote-unquote, working-class whites that were bleeding from the Democratic Party.

And since then, and you bring this up all the time, as the demographics have shifted, you've got Cory Booker from a generation that said, we're not going to play that. And for me, with the bad messaging notwithstanding, and I agree, that's why I said Simone Sanders as director of communication, young African-American woman, maybe some of this is generational. If she had heard that, maybe, and nobody can tell him what to do, but at least talk to him that way. But what I was about to say is that you have the chastising of Cory Booker. That's not just tone deaf. That is the character issue. And that's the piece, Johanna, again, listening, you in an issue like this here, you don't tell no black man who also is a United States senator.

He needs to apologize to me. First of all, Booker didn't call him a racist. Booker simply blasted the comments. And that's one of those where if you're Joe Biden, you want to say, what the hell is wrong with Senator Cory Booker? He knows better than me. The way you answer that is, I respectfully disagree with Senator Booker. You have...

See, I'm telling you, Biden needs to understand, he can cloak himself in eight years of Obama. That ain't going to save him. He cannot make mistakes like this again. Go ahead. I don't want to be presumptuous, and I don't want to put words in the Congress. I mean, in Vice President Biden's mouth. But but I think that I think it's a matter of it's a generational thing, in my opinion, because we have.

Yes, I'm concerned about some of the comments that he has made. I'm very concerned. But I think that with the right people around him, he will do the right thing. That I'm confident about, right? No. Okay. No. We also said if Trump get the right folks around him, he's 73. I'm 76. I mean, no, no, no. We have to stop with that. You are who you are. A 76-year-old man has to learn to say, hold up. I can't roll the way I used to. And to Greg's point about tone, see, here's the deal. I was on a panel at Martha's Vineyard. Charles Ogletree had this panel, and this was 2008.

And Obama won the nomination. All these white folks are all up and on, especially these white women who supported Hillary. And we're on the panel. And David Gergen was on the panel with me. And he goes, Obama, you look at the numbers, has no choice but to pick Hillary Clinton as vice president.

And I said, well, the hell he don't. And then I said, it's offensive that a black man can't even enjoy getting a nomination when the next day Bob Johnson put a letter out talking about how he needs to pick Hillary Clinton. And so I was sitting here jamming it up. Alan Dershowitz took issue with my tone. I said, who the hell you think you talking to? I said, man, here's my point. What white folks got to understand is that what Biden was really, see, it's a tone thing. And see, it's hard for white people to understand when you are proud.

Why did Cornel West and Obama go at it? Because the real deal was, Cornel, Obama cussed them out at the National Urban League. No question. It's a tone thing. Obama, Biden has to watch his tone. Okay.

And if you don't watch your tone, you're going to piss a lot of black folks off because for a lot of black folks who are 50 and under, we ain't accepting certain tones here's my position here's my position roland i i get it but we cannot be caught up in these little nuances right we need to focus on the big picture no no no he needs to focus see no no no no no this pajama i hear you think... But he has to understand, bro, you leading in the polls.

You have to watch your tone. Okay. Because you're going to get checked. Robert, go ahead. Let's not take the politics out of this. We have to understand, Cory Booker is currently trailing Joe Biden by 33 points in the latest polls,

35% to 3%. Right now, Joe Biden in South Carolina has 50% of the black vote Biden by 33 points in the latest polls, 35 percent to 3 percent. Right now, Joe Biden in South Carolina has 50 percent of the black vote. And if Cory Booker can't make a showing in South Carolina, he has no reason to be in the race. So understand the politics around it. Cory Booker isn't just doing this with an empty heart or he is not doing this for no reason. He is trying to make a case for him to rise in the polls to make some kind of headway against the other candidates who have left him in the dust. I understand. And we can't leave that out of it.

But, Johanna, this is the final comment before I go to my next story. The reality on stories like this is you have to look at 2016. You had a generation of black voters who held super predators against Hillary Clinton. They held it against her and never let go. I'm just saying. And they did not vote. And I understand as people, we have to look at our priorities, right?

Was that the best move? Let's look at in the context of what's happening today. I would say it wasn't, but they did it anyway. So as a people, we have to re-address our values. What do we value? Are we going to focus on every little nuance, things that don't really matter?

When in fact, I think if you have a person like Biden in office, I think that with the right people around him, he'll do the right thing. I mean, he hired Ms. Simone as his PR person. But here's the point. And I think that. Here's the final point of this here.

And I totally agree with you. I understand the practicality. I understand common sense. But the onus is also on the candidate. Absolutely. To understand that I better watch my tone. Exactly. I better watch how I say it because now what he's done is he's now

had to deal with this for 48 hours and it's called an unforced error no actually it's not a good thing but it's a good thing is happening in June and not in October that's the good that's what's a good thing to address the issues like at the very beginning to let you know that to call things out as they are because i think that a lot of times we don't do that i think it's a good thing you shouldn't have to be dealing with it and so it was a mistake all i'm saying is vice president biden is real simple use arlen specter use some other republicans you work for don't use segregation is all i'm saying let's talk about st louis was where black police officer is speaking

out about racial division in the police department officer milton green folks was shot by one of his don't use segregation is all I'm saying. Let's talk about St. Louis, where a black police officer is speaking out about racial division in the police department. Officer Milton Green, folks, was shot by one of his coworkers two years ago. Green is black, and the person who shot him is white. Police chief Lawrence O'Toole says it was friendly fire, but Green says it was racism and he's filing a suit against the St. Louis Police Department.

Now, folks, let me explain to you exactly what happened here. A guy had an accident. He was sitting here. Then they were chasing him. McGreen hears it, grabs his gun badge. He yells, I'm a cop. Cop tells him, put your gun down. Another cop comes along while saying, put your gun down, shoots Green.

He has since been on disability, has been unable to use his right arm. The white union raised money for the cop who shot him. Green says he has not gotten the kind of support he needs from the police department. And he says it's dead wrong. Now, the chief, of course, had disagreed with that. The question is, what happens now? Joining us now is Milton Green's attorney, Javad Kazeli, and Reddit Hudson, founder of the National Coalition of Law Enforcement Officers for Justice, Reform, and Accountability. First of all, I want to go to you uh javad when you look at this story here

i mean again i've heard from many other black cops who said man the worst position i want to be in is when i'm not on duty or i'm not in uniform yeah um well thank you for having me this is one of the most egregious cases i've ever seen. It's actually a little bit worse than the way that you described. Officer Green saw these two suspects. One of them pointed a gun at Officer Green. He pulled out his weapon that he's supposed to have on him all the time, pointed it at the guy. The guy ran away. All of a sudden, he's surrounded by other police officers. They tell him to get on the ground. He gets on the ground, puts his gun down, identifies himself as a police officer. The detective on the scene recognizes him, tells him to stand up. He stands up, calmly is talking to the detective with his badge in his hand. And mind you, this is Missouri, the most lax gun laws. You can have a gun, but he has his badge in his hand. All of a sudden, another cop shows up late and just looks at Milton, immediately tells, put down your gun, and shoots him, hitting him in his arm, ending his career. Now, we're two years after this has happened, and Milton's disability payments haven't even been adjudicated yet. His house is in foreclosure.

You know, he's basically losing everything because the city is not supporting him. And what was crazy here is, again, a police department not owning up to it. The cop who shot him, any charges filed against him? No, no charges filed against him. We did learn this week when we filed the lawsuit and we served it on the police department. They came back and they rejected the lawsuit because they've told us that he no longer works for the police department. We've been told that has nothing to do with Officer Green's case, that he's just not there anymore. Wow. Riddick Hudson, again, we hear this from a lot of Black

police officers who say they are scared to death when they have to be on the other end of a barrel of a gun by another cop. Man, Roland, you have Black officers who are scared to be on duty now with some of their fellow officers as i think you referenced earlier on social media one of my colleagues who's a police officer with st louis city right now detective heather taylor is the president of the ethical society of police officers which is predominantly black police officers association one of the better black municipal police officers associations in the country, you have officers online posting things like they hope she bleeds to death because she's consistently called for accountability

among police officers on that department. And the fact that that officer is no longer with the department, I guarantee you he left voluntarily. He wasn't forced out. One of the points of emphasis in a case like this that I would like to make, especially for officers around the country, is this union. The St. Louis Police Officers Association is a union of police officers that did not back Milton Green in this situation. They did back the guy who shot him in this situation. There was another officer, black officer, Luther Hall, who was beaten unmercifully by four white officers here in St. Louis City at a protest during the Jason

Stockley verdict. If you remember that, there were protests following the not guilty verdict for Jason Stockley, who was the officer who announced the murder of a black man and then carried it out, almost execution style. Beat Luther Hall within an inch of his life. That police officer's union offered him no support. So to those officers around the country, Black officers who belong to these unions, man, stop giving your money to these unions that will do nothing for you and won't represent your interests or your community's interests at any time and will always stand against you. Witness the union in Cleveland now that fought for the officer that killed Tamir Rice to get his job back.

Javad, your client, Milton Green, still can't use his right arm? He cannot. He can't hold a gun. I mean, he can use his hand, but when he shows that he can't fully squeeze, he actually has to do workouts with a soup can right now. He can't properly hold a gun and fire it. He would be a liability to himself if he were on the streets. He hasn't been back to work since the incident occurred. And tomorrow will be the two-year anniversary of that. And to talk about the Stockley cases, we actually represent about 16 people that were beaten the same night that Officer Hall was beaten. And the police department's position seems to be—did I lose?

No. You're there. Go ahead. Okay, good. The police's position seems to be that the 120 people that they beat and pepper sprayed that night, that was lawful. But randomly, the only person that they made a mistake on was the one undercover police officer who happened to be black. The night that Milton was shot, he came in, he was rushed to with a officer down call, was rushed to the hospital. The acting police chief and the person who's the current police chief both met with Milton. He told them what happened. He said everything was calm. You know, the perps were gone. And then this guy shot me. About a half hour later,

the acting police chief goes out and gives a press conference and states that Milton was shot in a crossfire. An absolute lie. That white police chief is now suing St. Louis, claiming racial discrimination because he wasn't promoted to the full-time position. Wow. Wow. Go ahead, Reddit. This should be disconnected from the recent exposure to officers all over the country, including officers in Philadelphia, St. Louis and Phoenix, got for their social media posts, identifying themselves as either affiliated or sympathizers with white supremacist organizations that hold white supremacist and racist views. are any number of officers on our streets as we speak that police according to those ideologies and it's reflected in the way that they treat us and we've seen it time and time again now is the time to hold officers accountable it's not time for sensitivity training none of that punishment is the order of the day if you want to change police culture you have to start holding people accountable what you're speaking about of course we, we had the Plainview Project, a database produced

by Philadelphia attorney Emily Baker White. We had her on the show. And what you're talking about is more than a dozen police officers under investigation in St. Louis for a series of racist social media posts. Some of them around the time Greene was shot. In addition to that, you also have 72 cops pulled off of the streets in Philadelphia and placed on administrative duty as a result.

And I'm sorry, in St. Louis, 22 cops have been barred from bringing their cases to the circuit attorney's office. Last question for both of you, Javad. The point that we keep making, we keep hearing, oh, you know, it's a few bad apples. But what we're seeing fundamentally is we have fundamental issues in the police departments, unions that protect them, and politicians are afraid to go against these police unions. So I was a federal prosecutor back in a former life, and I wasn't even born in America.

And I really love American idioms. And every time I hear that idiom, it's a few bad apples. I always ask people, what's the next part of that phrase? And that's the bad apple spoiled the barge. When other officers watch this, allow this to happen, and then come out and say that the people who do bad things are actually the heroes, that makes a lot of people question them. Milton has talked publicly that other officers went online and criticized him for what he did. They said that he was being a fool. He deserved what he got. You know, why is he asking for handouts?

He says that his kids, who were raised in a house with a police officer, now, when they see other officers, they generationally are now afraid of these officers. changes with the way that the St. Louis Police Department polices. You can't expect the citizens to trust them. And the real irony is that was Milton's job. He was a community resources officer. It was his job to mend bridges between the police department and the community. And now he's seen what the police department has done and how they've abandoned him. Reddit. Black officers wake up, man. A police officer will shoot you, disable you, and then have his colleagues question why you're looking for handouts. What we need now is leadership. We have that opportunity here in St. Louis.

We have a black chief of police. We have a black public safety director. We need them to stand in the cut man and make a stand against these kinds of systemic abuses that reflect the racism that's at the foundation of police culture, not just here in St. Louis, but all over the country. And until we get that and hold some of these people accountable, we're going to see what we see. But I always say, as you know, Roland, I think it starts from inside. We need a critical mass of us inside the system ready to address these issues head on. Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Absolutely. Javad Kazeli, Milton Green's attorney. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Reddit Hudson, thanks for joining us as well. Thanks for having me. All right, folks, going to a break. We come back, going to talk to the woman who is running for United States Senate in North Carolina. We'll also chat with Lee Saunders, of course, who leads AFSCME, talking about the resurgence of unions in America. All of that next on Roland Martin Unfiltered. See that name right there? Roland Martin Unfiltered. Like,

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the United States Senate next year. Republicans of course control the US Senate, which means that they control the federal judges that go on the bench. Now it was a tough role for Democrats in 2018, but Republicans have to have to now defend a number of seats, and one of those is the seat of Tom Tillis in North Carolina. Well, State Senator Erica Smith, she says she wants to be the person who can take that seat back,

and she joins us right now. First and foremost, glad to have you here. Glad to be here, Roland. All right, so when we talk about this campaign here, we talk about facing Senator Tillis. One of the things that jumps out, we've had Reverend William Barber on before. He opposed, under President Barack Obama, two black women who could have been on the federal bench. They blocked those two sisters, one of them who was the first black justice on the state Supreme Court. What are you saying to black voters in North Carolina why Tillis needs to be sent packing well number one Tillis needs to

be sent packing because he's merely a political puppet for the POTUS in the White House and the sad reality is that Tillis is a flip-flopper he can't make up his mind time and time again as we saw today with the vote on the arms deal to Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates, Tillis voted with the president to declare an emergency and also put billions of dollars into funding for Saudi Arabia. And so what he is doing is supporting giving immunity to a country who killed one of our top reporters, Jamal Khashoggi. It's just ridiculous. The reason why we need to send someone like me, Erica Smith, to the United States Senate is because I'm the one who places people over partisanship and political games. Now, of course, we know in North Carolina you dealt with voter suppression

and an absolutely crazy North Carolina legislature because Republicans have really lost their mind there doing all they can to block black voters. And so how do you, though, get over the hump making the argument that the state is better served in your hands versus in the hands of Tom Tillis. Absolutely. Well, first, I'm glad you brought that up because, Roland, what the Supreme Court ruled is that the partisan gerrymandering and the racial gerrymandering was the worst scene. The voter suppression was the worst scene since Jim Crow segregation. And so when you look at Tom Tillis and his leadership, he started out in the House, and he was the speaker of the House when they led an assault on education, public education. Now, I'm a former engineer, but now I'm an educator, and I know firsthand the damage that Tom Tillis did to our state and to the future security of our state. When we get down to the dynamics of who we need to send to represent us, we need to send someone with integrity, with character,

who is about results and not rhetoric. And that's what you get with me, and that's not what we're getting with Tom Tillis. You've got to raise a ton of money, obviously, to campaign statewide. What are you projecting that you're going to need to beat Tillis? Well, to beat Tillis, last time when Tillis ran against Senator, former Senator Kay Hagan, it was the most expensive race not only in the state but in the nation. And it was upwards of $40 million. So I know off the bat I'm going to need to raise $28 million. And the good thing is that based on the Emerson poll that was released last week, I'm already beating Tom Tillis by seven points.

Never in the history of our nation have we had an African-American woman challenge an incumbent and beating the incumbent in early polls. And that's the momentum that people see. We have a great opportunity right now. And when you have a candidate that is that strong, out of the gate, who has a demonstrated record of service to her local community the statewide community because I'm a three-term North Carolina senator you have a competent candidate who is the one to send and so the money needs to

back that ground game is also critically important you got to have lots of people on the ground how are you building that Are you focusing on HBCUs? North Carolina has more HBCUs than any other state in the country. I'm a proud graduate of North Carolina A&T State University, where dreamers become achievers from astronauts to presidents. Thank you, Roland, for coming down to North Carolina two years ago. You recall we worked on the HBCU bill that was set to change the names of the universities and to take away our historical history.

I have a great outreach with millennials because as a strong education advocate, I already do a lot of work with HBCUs and not only the HBCUs but also our PWIs. And so we are definitely building a great ground game field plan plan, a get-out-the-vote plan. This is not our first time. We are experienced, and we know how to handle this. People all across the state are reaching out, in fact, in the country to support us and push us. And there's nothing like that HBCU love. Last question, are you getting the proper support from the Democratic infrastructure?

At this moment in time, I would say no. I'd have to be honest with you. We always have to work harder, shine brighter, be stronger, do twice the work to get half the credit. And I'm used to that from being a mechanical engineer. So you already have the primaries, right? No. The primaries are March 3, 2020. So March 3, 2020, how many folks are you going to be, how many folks right now already announced they're running?

Right now in the running, there are four candidates. Got it. And so incidentally, two candidates filed on Monday. After seeing the results, you have an African-American woman. And so I will admit we may not be the establishment candidate, but it's time for us to do things a new day in a new way. And so the establishment needs to come in line. If you want someone to win who can energize your base and bring out a new type of voter, then that person's me. All right. Senator Erica Smith, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Thank you. All right, folks, we come back. We'll talk with Lee Saunders, AFSCME, talking about the increase of union workers. And we'll chat about some other stuff as well. Next, on Roland Martin Unfiltered. This is DeHala Riddle, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Stay woke. This is Director X, the director of Superfly on the red carpet, well, the black carpet. And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered.

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you All right, folks, this week, Nevada governor signed a historic union law to help 20,000 state workers. Unions are enjoying their highest level of public support in 15 years, and presidential candidates have embraced unions at a level not seen in a long time. Joining us right now is Lee Saunders. He is president of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, and also, of course, a supporter of Roland Martin Unfiltered. And we always got to thank Lee and ASME for supporting us. They were the first ones out of the gate. We, Lee, because of y'all's support, you know, we've been averaging

about 8 million views since we launched. We've gone from about 170,000 folks on YouTube down to about 316,000. And so we've certainly been growing over the last nine and a half months. I knew you'd be successful one day. Well, you know, I told you we were going to do it, and we did it. You did it. So just stand with me. Congratulations, man. Stand with me.

Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Let's talk about this here, because what is interesting that do it, and we did it. You did it. So just stand the bill. Congratulations, man. Stand the bill. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Let's talk about this here because what is interesting that, again, what we've seen, and I'll go back to really Ronald Reagan. You go from Ronald Reagan up to President Day. You had this constant, steady assault on unions. The whole idea of right-to- work states, folks creating the climate where literally if you said unions other than police and fire, it was a negative connotation. And you're

seeing in these places where politicians are now being pressured by folks who say, no, we want folks fighting on our behalf when it comes to wages. There's no question about it. As a matter of fact, the most latest polls show that 62% of the American public believe that we need strong unions in this country to be the counterbalance to the corporate greed that exists and the fact that workers need a seat at the table. That was instrumental in what we were able to do in the state of Nevada, where we were successful in do in the state of Nevada, where

we were successful in electing a state legislature, both on the House and Senate side, who believed in supporting working families, who believed that unions made a difference for workers. We were able to elect a new governor, Steve Sisolak, who believed the same thing. And he gave us a commitment that if, in fact, they were elected, then they were going to push for collective bargaining within that state for state workers. And that's exactly what happened. I was in Nevada last week and was with the governor when he signed into law collective bargaining for state workers, covering 20,000 state workers who AFSCME is representing. And the key to this, Roland, is simply this. Those who support us, those who talk about the importance of helping working families and the communities in which they live, then we ought to support them.

And the end matter is this. Elections matter. Elections matter, and it mattered in Nevada, and we're seeing the results out of that right now. Do you also think you're seeing that because you had so much attention on the wage gap? When I think back again, I'm going back to 1980, not going through the 90s and 2000s. We constantly heard from politicians was, look, support big business. They're coming in supplying jobs. We can't have anything that's stopping that from

happening. And voters said, oh, that's great. That's great. All of a sudden, they woke up 30 years later and go, wait a minute, what the hell happened? We gave massive tax breaks. We gave infrastructure breaks. We did all these things. And then what happened? They got a massive tax cut under Donald Trump. And it's like, oh, we're going to reinvest it in the workers. And the CEOs went, no, we're not. And they haven't done it. Trickle-down does not work. It never has worked. Workers need to have a seat at the table to control their own destiny.

And that's what unions provide them, a seat at the table so they can negotiate wages and working conditions, benefits, safety and health issues, not only just for themselves, but for their communities. Because when workers are organized and you have a strong and healthy workforce who has a seat at the table, that benefits everyone who lives in that community where those workers reside. And that's why you're getting this kind of feeling across the country and an aggressive action that is taking place. You looked at the strikes that have been taking place across the country. United Food and Commercial Workers striking up in the New England states. You look at Unite Here, Unite representing hotel workers striking the Marriott Corporation because, and their slogan was, one job should be enough.

The economy right now is rigged in favor of the 0.5% who want more power and wealth at the expense of working people. And unions are the avenue by which you can unrig that system. And that's why people believe that unions have a very strong and important place in today's society. One of the things that also jumps out, again, as you begin to look at what is happening, how do you counter what's in place in Ohio? Donald Trump campaigns talking about get rid of NAFTA. Yet in Ohio, he won by 450,000 votes. Have you or your union comrades been meeting to figure out what kind of messaging you're going to have to send when you go to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan to say to those folks who voted for Obama,

but then who flipped for Donald Trump, who might be disillusioned now? It's about getting back to basics and it's about talking about the issues that workers care about. It's about talking about health care. It's about talking about retirement security. It's about talking about prescription drugs and the price of prescription drugs. Fairness on the job. If you deal with those kinds of issues and take the personalities away from it, but deal with the issues that the workers feel every single day, then you can sit down, talk with them, and more importantly, listen to what they've got to say, and then react and develop programs around their economic concerns and impact on them, their families, and their communities. That's why we

were successful in many states across the country in November of 2016, because folks listened to workers and what they had to say. It's real basic. This is not rocket science. Sit down and talk with folks, listen to what they've got to say, and then implement programs that will benefit them. All right. Lee Saunders, president, Aspie. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Great being here. All right, folks, going to go to a break. We come back. A shocking story out of Chicago, where a black woman shopping in a Walgreens, shot and killed by the friend of the manager. He went several days without even

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Circe Bernardo was shot inside a Walgreens, and the company could be facing legal trouble. The night manager suspected Bernardo was shoplifting and called a friend, a former security guard. Witnesses said the man confronted Bernardo falsely identified himself as a Chicago police officer. An argument turned physical and the man shot Bernardo in the face. The man suspected of shooting her only turned himself into the police yesterday. He was also arrested last summer, accused of threatening a woman and once again claiming to be a cop robert this is what's unbelievable here he was the friend of the manager you suspected a woman of shoplifting she's now dead because you called a friend no you call the damn cops if you think that and so now now you suspect, not even proven, and she's dead.

And he wasn't arrested for several days. Well, let's understand the Chicago Police Department is very busy trying to track down the criminal mastermind, Jussie Smollett, and the Nigerian brothers who the police department has been concentrating on. Ron, what you have to understand is this is part of the dehumanization of African-Americans in this country, that you are reduced down to nothing more than a criminal. They can shoot you down like a dog because they think of you as no more. That thought pattern doesn't just go along racial lines. Often there are people who look just like us who have that same opinion.

This individual, the manager's friend, homeboy, whoever it was, absolutely had no business in the store. Walgreens has very particular, I had litigation with Walgreens years ago, has very particular criteria set out in the employment handbook on how managers should handle security issues. And none of it involves calling in your own private mercenary to execute individuals you think have taken part in a crime. So, of course, Walgreens needs to be held liable. The night manager or the manager must also be held liable for their culpability in this. And the individual who did pull the trigger and kill this woman should be prosecuted because his life was at no point endangered. Illinois is not a stanger

ground state. It's questionable if he was even licensed to have a handgun in that situation or in that area of chicago so this person should be prosecuted to full system of the law and walgreens should pay restitution to the family i believe this woman had five children to the family that lost a mother in this situation whether she was shoplifting or not is beside the point is about the inhumanity exhibited towards african americans johanna this reminds me of the case out of los angeles where they suspected an african-american man of shot lifting security guard shoots and kills him he's dead i'm sorry there's not a damn thing in a in a drug store worth killing somebody over. Nothing. I think my co-panelist has said it very well.

It's the dehumanization of people of color. The fact that you think it's okay to pull a trigger on someone because of the perception that they may have stole something. And as you said as well, there's nothing that is worth anyone's life or anyone to have died. And the fact that it took authorities so many days to find the person who shot this woman is very alarming, because as we know, had it been a white person that was shot and killed, we know they would have found the assailant immediately on the spot.

There would have been no ifs or buts about it. But again, I think it's just a reminder that black lives really don't matter in the United States of America and all across this world. And it's very alarming. And it's time and time again that we have to be confronted with these stories and these realities. You know, as a woman of color, every day I leave my house, you know, there are certain things I have to take into account. For example, if my cell phone is dead, I'm not going to the store because I'm thinking that what if I get pulled over by a cop and I'm dead, right? So these are things that you have to think about as a person of color. And it breaks my heart.

And my question is, how do we move forward? Because I don't know the answers to that. Well, and Greg, and that's the fundamental issue, that we have to do things that really the white folks don't have to do. No. And we're talking about Black Lives Matter. This is what it is. I mean, same thing that's certainly in phoenix cops roll up several cops because the child allegedly took a doll out of a damn dollar store yeah yeah really well my heart you know it's

interesting roland this goes back to what you covered yesterday with uh brother ta-nasi's testimony before congress and dr malvo with regard to reparations. The first element of reparations in international law and the international policy that's been argued over the last 50 years has been to cease the type of conduct that created the problem in the first place. So when we start, people say, what's reparations about? Part of reparations is black people are human. You've got to stop doing what you've always done. These police are patirolers. When you see see officer green get shot your uniform didn't help you you blacks I can shoot you and get away with it when we see these people posting

on social media all this racist stuff to get get some suspended they're gonna go back on the force and in this case in this case it's very simple I have one question because you raised the issue of the mayor what's what's Walgreens point you know Walgreens big employer and've got a lot of weight in Chicago. Of course. Are they the ones trying to stall this out in part so that, you know, they don't get hung on the line for liability? But at the end of the day, it does come back to what you said, John,

and what Robert kind of led out with this, and you said it as well. Our lives matter to us, but they don't seem to matter in this country. So the solution to this, it seems to me, has to be, we have to get to the point where we value our lives more than we value the institutions that don't value our lives. That means you got to vote, you got to organize, you got to do what you need to do and stop giving deference to these systems because these systems simply don't work. Absolutely, folks. A North Miami police officer was found not guilty of attempted manslaughter for shooting at a severely autistic man and wounding the man's caretaker, an unarmed behavioral therapist, in 2016. The police department said it plans to fire the officer and has immediately put him on administrative leave without paying.

We'll see. Also, Pennsylvania folks, yesterday the governor there, Tom Wolf, made Juneteenth a state holiday. He said, quote, on this day, let us recognize the importance of continuing to build a nation that truly reflects the self-evident truth that all people are created equal. Also, I want to talk about a couple other stories. We've got a couple of new black mayors. Eric Johnson officially became the mayor of Dallas on Monday. And, of course, he was criticized for his response to Dallas' violent crime rate. Now, the city has seen more murders during the month leading up to the runoff in May than any single month since the 1990s. I don't know how he got criticized, but he wasn't even mayor yet.

Okay, that makes no sense. And in Kansas City, Councilman Quentin Lucas was elected as mayor. He said during the campaign that he would bring an outsider mentality to the mayor's office, reduce crime, increase affordable housing, and steer development projects to underserved areas. So certainly congratulations to those two black mayors. I got to pull this up, y'all. I got to deal with this here because, Robert, did you see or hear the prayer that Paula white gave at the trump rally the other day i did indeed okay so for the folks out there uh i'm gonna play this for y'all and and also just so y'all know uh i did uh because you know i remember last time paula white did some stuff

uh i i hit her up. I emailed her. She responded. Oh, she was taken out of context. And I said, well, you need to come on to the show. She never did. I text her this time and also emailed her. She has not responded.

But for the folks at home, and let me give the background for a lot of people out there. We're talking about Paula White, who was literally pastoring a black church in Orlando. The Paula White who took over for the previous pastor who passed away. This is the same Paula White who got her credibility off preaching to black folks, preaching on BET. And so this was her, y'all, the other night at the Trump rally. Henry, go to my iPad. Good evening. Are you ready for a great night of victory? I'm going to ask you to do something. As our president often says, and I've had the wonderful privilege of having an 18-year relationship with him and his family, he says we worship God, not government.

So we're going to start out. I'm going to ask you to grab that person's hand next to you, if you don't mind, standing up all over this beautiful arena. And just grab that sweaty hand that you've been holding i believe in the power of unity and as we begin to make declarations and come to the father in prayer father i come to you in the name of jesus and first and foremost I give you thanks for our great United States. I give you thanks for our president and for your blessings and your goodness. Your word declares in Psalm chapter 34 verse 1 that I will bless the Lord at all times and his praise shall continually be in my mouth. So we thank you and we bless you, God, for your goodness, for your grace, for your mercy.

I pray for the spirit of the Lord to rest upon our president. And let your favor cause his horn, his power to be exalted according to Psalm chapter 89, verse 17. Lord, your word says in Psalm chapter 2, verse 1 through 4. Why do the nations conspire and the people's plot in vain? The kings of the earth rise up and the rulers band together against the Lord and against his anointed saying, let us break their chains and throw off their shackles. The one enthroned in heaven laughs. lord scoffs at them father you have raised president trump up for such a time as this you are a god that reveals secrets so reveal the secret and the deep things to president trump

according to daniel chapter 2 verse 22 make known unto him the mystery of your will. I declare that skillful and godly wisdom have entered into the heart of our president, and knowledge is pleasant to him. Father, we ask you to compass him with men and women and make their heart and ears attentive to godly counsel, to do that which is right in your sight now I need you to really go with me here let every evil veil of deception of the enemy be removed from people's eyes and the name which is above every name the

name of Jesus Christ for you said in your words so I'm gonna deal with some principalities now okay because you said your word in Ephesians chapter 6 verse 12 that we're not wrestling against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, against rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. So right now, let every demonic network that has aligned itself against the purpose, against the calling of President Trump, let it be broken, let it be torn down against the calling of President Trump. Let it be broken. Let it be torn down in the name of Jesus. Let the counsel of the wicked be spoiled right now. According to Job chapter 12, verse 17, I declare that President Trump will overcome every strategy

from hell and every strategy of the enemy, every strategy, and he will fulfill his calling and his destiny. Destroy and divide their tongues O Lord according to Psalm chapter 55 verse 9. Give President Trump strength to bring forth his destiny according to Isaiah chapter 66 verse 9. Let the secret counsel of wickedness be turned to foolishness right now in Jesus name. And I declare that no weapon formed against him, his family, his calling, his purpose, this council will be able to be formed. Now I declare that you will surround him and protect him from all destruction. Let the angel of the Lord encamp around about him, around his family according to Psalm chapter 34 verse 7. Establish him in righteousness and let oppression be far from him according to Isaiah 54 14. I deploy the hand of

God to work for him in the name of Jesus. I secure his calling. I secure his purpose. I secure his family and we secure victory in the name which is above every name the name that has never failed for this nation and for my life the name of jesus christ and everybody said amen now i'm gonna let robert johanna and greg weigh in in just a moment but let me say a few words first. Since Pastor Paula White wants to quote scripture, you should go to Psalm 1-1 where it said, the godly do not walk in the counsel of the wicked. I dare say, Pastor Paula White, the wicked is when you are a president who allows people on the border to somehow be sleeping on cement floors floors how you would go to court and say we don't have to give them toothbrushes i dare say if you call yourself a so-called christian you would have

the decency to treat human beings like human beings here's what i also want to know pastor paula white when reverend william barbara and other preachers and ministers of the gospel and Jews and Buddhists and others had a prayer walk from the church here in New York Presbyterian to the White House. Why did this administration lock them out of Lafayette Park? You as a pastor did not have the courage and the decency to tell Donald Trump why you afraid to meet with other ministers of the cloth who you might disagree with. See, if you actually have God on your side, if you supposedly have Jesus on your side, then you would not be afraid to meet with other ministers of the gospel. You also said that the evil veil of deception be removed. Please explain to me how you as a pastor defends a man who lies and lies and lies. Please, as a pastor, explain to me how you are supposed to be telling folks to speak truth when you support a man who lies without a doubt,

who lies about lies every single day. Please tell me how you can talk about every demonic network aligned against Trump. If you're going to pray that thing, then specify that thing. What networks are you talking about, Pastor Paula White? See, what I cannot stand is when you have pastors who pimp god pastors who have not a prophetic word but a partisan word see a prophetic word means you ain't afraid to meet with somebody who you disagree with reverend dr barton of the king jr prophetic had no problem meeting with folks

who he disagreed with. But see, Pastor Paula Waite, you support a man who will not meet with people who he simply do not like. How do you dare support a man who routinely trashes women and denigrates women, women, children of God? How do you not say a a word you stand in front of a nearly all white rally in orlando thundering this particular prayer saying god is going to cover trump saying that god raised down trump up but see i got to go to my bible i do i do remember that god said oh so y'all want a ruler okay i'm gonna go ahead and give y'all a ruler y'all i remember god oh, so y'all want a ruler? Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and give y'all a ruler. Y'all, I remember God saying, I told y'all, you don't need a king. But the people said, no, no, we want a king. Okay, y'all can have Saul. And then what happened? Lord, they were upset.

May not, no, don't come complaining to me. Y'all said y'all wanted a king see that's what's really going on here pastor paula white you are misusing the word in defense of somebody who you know ain't even a real christian see i would rather you go ahead and have some basic decency and respect and say and the reason you support donald trump is because he's giving y'all conservative judges because y'all want to overturn Roe v. Wade. Y'all want to overturn same-sex marriage? Yeah I'd rather have the decency to tell the people that as opposed to cloak yourself in the word and stand there as a

Pastor and somehow pray that kind of prayer see the God that I serve the Jesus that I bow down to the one that I pray to knows full well that he would not sit here and accept, nor give cover, nor give praise, nor give acceptance to what is happening in 1600 Pennsylvania every single day. There is no way in the world, Pastor Paula White, the God that I know, the Jesus that I know will say that what happens there is acceptable. I know the God that I know and the Jesus that I know will not allow somebody who would denigrate and desecrate people all the time. I know also the same God wouldn't be happy if a president has the nerve to send a press release out saying he's going to a church to pray with the victims of a shooting in Virginia and he walks in church with his golf spikes on to accept the

prayer just for him and wasn't even good enough to stay for the whole service because see the god i know is a mess man who's good enough and we have a shooting in pittsburgh the people there said william wants you to come see if you actually walked with the Lord, if you actually presented yourself as being somebody who loves the Lord, then synagogues wouldn't be turning you away. Churches wouldn't be turning you away. Mosques wouldn't be turning you away. People of faith wouldn't be turning you away. Because the last I checked, the only kind of person who people of faith turn away

is darkness is evil or wicked individuals and so that's going to be a day of reckoning for you pastor paula white that's going to be a day when you're going to have to answer to who you supported and a day that might come real soon and see i ain't talking about just when you got to deal with jesus and the lord on this you got to deal with this with the very people who elevated you you're gonna have to deal with whether or not or how you defend the demonic positions of this particular president you're gonna defend the demonic positions where you have somebody who chooses to give more wealth to the wealthy and says the hell with the poor you're gonna have to defend paula white and wealthy and says the hell with the poor. You're going to have

to defend Paula White and administration that have the audacity to say we will cut the food that go to the poor. Please explain to me what Bible you serve. I'm sorry. I got an iPad, an iPad, an iPhone, and an iPhone. I got the Bible on all four of these devices. Please let me know which one of these Bibles that I can somehow discover to defend somebody who don't care about the poor, somebody who does not care about the hopeless, somebody who does not care about the needy. Please show me the last time this man had any sense of decency or respect to those individuals i've yet to actually see it pastor paula white and again i would love to have a theological conversation with you i would love to have you to sit here uh and walk through the text to explain to me how what is happening for this administration is biblical because see i just thought with the

whole line how do you defend a man you say is godly? You said God, this is what you said. You said God raised President Trump up for such a time as this. What that means is that you as a pastor, you are suggesting that God cosigns everything that he has done. Are you willing to tell God that? Are you willing to pray that every single night? Please tell me that. See, Pastor Paula White, I'm more than welcome to have you sit in this chair. And I have Reverend William Barber sit in that chair. And I'll have Reverend Jim Wallace sit in that chair. And I have Reverend Jim Wallace sitting in that chair.

And I'll open a chair for one of your other friends. I would love for you to come here and discuss this. And let me remind you, you came on the radio show WVON in Chicago when you were pushing your book. I had you on the show then. You were on the stage at Bishop T.D. Jake's conference. I was there see you might remember i'll pull the video because i shot the video when my wife received one of the awards uh for her work for her foundation work you were on stage presenting the award see i i got your cell

phone pastor paula white i got your email see it's of I'm a child of God. I'm a Christian author. And so why won't you have the conversation? Why won't you sit down with pastors who disagree with this president and have a real theological conversation? You had one a couple of years ago at Bishop T.D. Jake's leadership conference. Oh, you remember Father Michael Flager was on stage. Father Joshua DuBois, pastor, was on stage. You remember Bishop Harry Jackson was on stage. Bishop Jakes was sitting in the audience. The four of y'all was moderated by April Ryan. Why won't you have that conversation again so we can go over what has taken place in the last two and a half years of Donald Trump's presences. See, I would love for you to explain to me these actions. I would love to hear you break down why it's godly to have a president who trashes people.

Is that godly? Is that what Jesus died for? Is that what jesus wanted i would love for you to explain that to me because i would dare say you can't explain it i would dare say that your support of donald trump is because of his tax policy not because of his poor policy i would dare say you support donald trump not because of what he does for the needy, what he does for the wealthy. I would dare say that Donald Trump's presidency aligns with your prosperity gospel. And I would say that ain't got nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

That ain't got nothing to do with the poor, the disenfranchised. It has nothing to do with the people who are suffering and who are hurting. What it has to do is with the rich getting richer and the poor getting poor every single one of us are going to have to be held to account one day you're going to have to be held to account for that prayer for what you preach and you gave all those scriptures out and then you said from every strategy from hell so are you then saying that those who oppose Donald Trump have been planning this from hell are you actually suggesting by virtue of your prayer if you oppose Donald Trump you were doing the beating of the devil if you say that every strategy from hell what you're saying is that if there is somebody

who opposes what donald trump says and does that mean that they are an imp they are doing the work of the devil is that what you're saying are you saying that all of these christian pastors out here the same ones who opened their church pulpits up to you to preach prior to donald trump are you saying those individuals have been planning things in hell are you saying that somehow that they are doing the devil's work against donald trump i didn't say it you said it i would love nothing more for you to clarify what you said there There won't be any yelling, won't be any cursing, won't be any of that. We're going to have us a nice Christian conversation.

I don't need no help. It could be me and you. You know what? I'll make it easier on you. I do it in your church in Orlando. I will fly to Orlando and I'll bring my cameras with me to have the very conversation.

If you are going to stand up as a pastor and give that kind of prayer, then you also need to explain the kind of prayer. Because remember, Paula White, last time you told me you got misquoted. Remember the email you sent me? You sent an email to me saying that you were out of the country and you had been misquoted when you made those comments on Jim Baker's show. You remember that? Oh, I remember that. See, I remember the email where we went back and forth and see i'll pull up in a second

but i really want you to explain this because i really want the pastors out there who support don trump to really defend what he says and does and i want you to show me biblically where it is so i can be sure that we serve the same God, the same Jesus. Time for altar call. Robert, what's your thoughts? Well, I think this is a perfect example of why we need to have a separation between church and state. I've worked on too many campaigns throughout the years of them dragging these pastors around, creating rent seeking activities where pastors will endorse anybody for a healthy contribution and candidates will pretend to be whatever religion you want them to be in order to get the pastor's congregation behind them. We need to have the church be the church and have politics be politics and not co-mingle the two to this extent.

I remember nothing sadder than 2003 when George Bush was dragging T.D. Jakes and all these other black pastors around with him for the faith-based initiative because he promised him two or three biscuits, et cetera. So let's separate these things out and make sure that we aren't commingling our politics with our religious life. Johanna? I think Robert made an excellent point, the whole notion about separation between church and state. The fact of the matter is Minister minister paula white um she's doing her job right she's been um asked to no no no no no no no no no her job is to be the pastor

of the church that zachary tims and his wife built well that's a job well part of it is also to it okay go ahead to be the spiritual advisor I just want to I just want to remind folks that the church is Zachary Tim's bill that I understand. But another aspect of her job is to advise the spiritually advised, advised the president. And the fact that, you know, churches are not being taxed. Right. I think that there should be clearly a separation between between a state and churches. And another interesting point is that your God, your definition of your God, it's probably different from her definition of her God. no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no i'm sorry it's the reality right moses asked who sent me god said i am that i am the word is the word all i'm simply saying is see this is real simple so this is real simple baby the word is

the word and i'll say paula white has different interpretations no no no no no no this is real simple and it's not defending her no this is real simple that's just the word is the word yes all i want pastor paula white is to show me in the word and defend the policies i'm sure she can show me i don't think she can't support no no i don't think she can because the bible is just like the u.s constitution no it's not there's a law to support it right now it's not. There is a law to support it, right? No, it's not. And I'm sure she can support whatever she wants. God, the Bible talked more about the poor than it did the rich. Of course. And see,

I can show the policies. And I want her to defend, Greg, the policies versus the word. And I'm sure she can defend it. I agree with it. But I'm sure she can defend it. She can't. She can't use the Bible to defend it. But I think that, but I'm sure she can't defend it. She can't. She can't use the Bible to defend it. But I think that, and I agree with you on this,

this is the 190th anniversary of David Walker's appeal, 1829. David Walker said, if you're going to be a Christian black people, go to the people who have you enslaved and ask them a couple of questions. Number one, you ask them if they're Christians. If they say yes, then you ask them, is slavery wrong according to the Bible? If they say yes, then you ask them, will you let me go? If they say no, David Walker writes in his appeal that they are not Christians, but in fact, they don't. And you have now been cleared by God to end your condition by any means necessary. Now let's look at this woman. When I hear her, it reminds me of Charles Coughlin from the 1930s, Father Coughlin, the Catholic bishop,

who a Catholic minister outside of Detroit. I'll be in Detroit tomorrow. Frank Colbert, the reparations conference begins today. But Coughlin was on the radio talking to millions of white Catholics railing against the Jews, railing against the New Deal. They're not Christians. This is fascism. As you said, it is corporatism. And they are in the guise of Christianity but if you take David Walker

at his field what she's praying to I agree with you it's very different than what you're praying to Roland in your humanity in T.D. Jakes humanity in the humanity of the people that Robert talked about who invited him and her into those pulpit you're extending divine inspired humanity to her

but in rejecting you Davider would say oh we're clear now we end our oppression by any means necessary this is not a christian in fact that we've just seen that is in fact the devil and i think that we're also witnessing the church playing a huge role in the political process right of course um the church is not supposed to be that's american let's clarify let's clarify because if's clarify. Let's clarify. Because if you're not. Let's clarify. There's a separation. Let's clarify. No, no, no, no.

Let's clarify. We did the church. No, but we are dealing with white conservative. That's right. Evangelicals. That's right. You're dealing with. Black pastors too.

No, no, no. You deal. But it's a few of them. But you're dealing with the Franklin Grahams of the world. Come on. Who wanted to deny the Christianity of Obama, but wanted to praise the demonic Christianity of Donald Trump. That's right.

See, that's what you're dealing with. See, again, I'm going to call it like it is. These people only care about conservative judges because they want Roe v. Wade and the same-sex marriage to be overturned. That's all they care about. And all I'm saying is put it out there.

But don't stand there and talk about my God and what's demonic and what's evil. Why can't they do that? I mean, in other words, why can't they just say we want to impose a white nationalist Christian theocracy on everyone in the country? Why can't they say that? Because they think we boo-boo the country. Why can't they say that to you? Because they think we boo-boo the fool, and they're sitting here knowing that if you do that, then your

true intentions will be out there, and you cannot cloak yourself in the throne. You can't cloak yourself in the blood of Jesus. That's the real deal. And see, they don't want to do that. That's why I need y'all to understand, Robert,

Jerry Falwell Jr., who's not a minister, who's caught up in this pool boy controversy in Miami, Robert Jeffress, all of these conservative evangelicals, not a single one of them would sit down with Reverend Barber or Reverend Jim Wallace. In fact, Jerry Falwell Jr., when Reverend Barber in a poor people's campaign went down to Lynchburg, Virginia, he sent the word to the police department of the university, if they step foot on this campus, arrest them.

And ordered not to all the student body, don't you dare go visit that church when they come to town. If you want to say demonic, that's demonic when you are so scared of the power of poor people that you say, don't you dare step foot on this campus. Robert, final comment. Well, this is a perfect example of what I was saying previously, is that the church has been its

most effective when it's that third rail. When it is united, not around a particular candidate, not around a particular political party, but an independent actor for the Christian community. As long as we have pastors and churches pledging allegiance to any candidate, any party, it dilutes their message because they have now sold out to the earthly powers and not to divine power above. Pastor Paula White, these church doors are open. You can come here anytime. I'll go to you. You can come here.

You're always in D.C. And we can have that conversation. Because if you truly believe in the word of God, you wouldn't be afraid of another Christian. Would you? I would love for you to answer that question. Folks, support Roller Martin Unfiltered by going to RollerMartinUnfiltered.com. Join our Bring the Fuck fan club. You can, of course, contribute

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