#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 6.25 #RMU: Black woman who filmed DC Metro incident speaks; Roland schools O'Reilly on reparations

Episode Date: June 26, 2019

6.25.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Activists call for DC Metro cop who tasered man to be fired; Trump tax cut set to help the poor helps a billionaire win big; Did cops lie about the assault on Toronto Raptors President, Masai Ujiri; + Roland has some choice words for Bill O'Reilly Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Martin! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Today is Tuesday, June 25th, 2019. Coming up on Roller Martin Unfiltered, activists are calling for the Metro police officer who tasered a black man to be fired. We'll talk to the woman who shot the video. Also, folks, always, always a crazy story. A former slave is set to become the first black saint in the Catholic Church.

We'll talk to the head of the Knights of Peter Claver, the largest black Catholic organization in the world, about that. A Donald Trump tax cut meant to help the poor folks helps a billionaire win big. I told y'all to watch those opportunity zones. ProPublica broke down what took place in Maryland with the CEO of Under Armour. We'll talk to the reporter who worked on the case. Also, are we shocked about this here?

The cop who says that the general manager of the black gym in the Toronto Raptors assaulted him, causing him to get a concussion. His ass lied. The cops now admit that the Toronto Raptors president did not push him first. No shock when he had 18,000 people in a stadium who also saw what happened. A Chicago police released video of Jussie Smollett wearing a noose around his neck. And I have some critical words for Bill O'Reilly. Y'all realize that this crazy ass fool actually said America was not created by racists. And he supposedly writes history books. Oh!

I'm going to have some fun with this. It's time to bring the funk and roll them unfiltered. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the biz, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the find. And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling.

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The best you know, he's rolling Martin Martin Alright folks, I keep telling y'all This is the only way we're gonna hold these police accountable for the crazy actions they take. Which I got to do me a favor. I keep telling y'all, shoot the video this way so we can feel the whole screen. I'm just saying. All right, folks, we talked about, of course, what took place here in Washington, D.C. with the Metro police officers when basic conversation was going just fine.

Then one cop was roll up, losing his damn mind, pushes a black man, ends up tasing him. They've now dropped the charges against that black man. But I want to go ahead and show you the video again. And again, for some of you who are triggered by these videos, you can turn away and then come back for the conversation. But this took place just a few days ago here in the nation's capital, which some people affectionately call Chocolate City. My name is Shamir. Do you mind if I stay here with you for a little bit?

Because I want to make sure that y'all brothers are taken care of, okay? I'm not putting you on camera at all. I'm not putting you on camera at all. I just want to make sure that y'all are all right, all right? Because I see them looking at y'all, and what I'm not about to do is have none of y'all get hurt right now, all right? So my name is Shamir. We're going to stay right here, and we're going to make sure that everybody's taken care of, okay? What I don't want is one of these colonizers trying to get on y'all about some shit,

because then I'm going to have to go off, and I ain't got my nails done, all right? So we're going to calm down real quick. All right, all right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's all right. He's all right. He's all right. He's all right. Hold on. He's all right. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey.

I'm racist. Get the baby. Chill. Chill. Chill. Chill. Not necessary. Not necessary.

Just get down. Just get down. Just get down. Yo. Not necessary. That is not necessary. Yo. That is not necessary.

He's not even resistant. He's not even resistant. He's not even resistant. He's not even resistant. He is okay. Stop. Yo, yo, I'm right here. Y'all need to stop. He's not even, stop.

Just lay down. Stop, babe. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Yo, let him the fuck go. He's all right. He's down. He can't fucking move. He's down. Leave him alone. He's down. He can't fucking move. He's down.

Leave him alone. He is down. He is down. All right, joining us right now is Shamir Jones, the woman who actually shot that video. And also joining us is Nene Tay. She's the lead organizer for Black Lives Matter DC. Glad to have both of you on Rolling Mountain Unfiltered.

Thank you. All right, have you got your nails done? No. Okay, when I first saw the video, I said, did she All right. Have you got your nails done? No. Okay. When I first saw the video, I said, did she actually just say, I get my nails done? I needed to be prepared, and I wasn't prepared, but I knew I needed to protect those babies. So walk us through before. So what happened?

So you were riding the subway, and then so walk us through what happened. Honestly, I wasn't supposed to be there. I was on the green line at PG, took the wrong platform and ended up going to College Park. And I said, well, I'm already out. Let's do some self-care, maybe go to the park, maybe flirt with somebody, get a cookie or something in D.C. So I get on the train and I go back and I say, because I live in Tacoma. So I pass my station and I go all the way to U Street. And the minute the doors open and they say doors opening, I literally walk out into the platform and I bump right into the transit police officer. And it's two officers. One of them has

his knee in the back between the shoulder blades of the 13 year old little boy that you see in the video with the black shirt that's handcuffed. So his hands are behind his back. The other officer is pressing his face down into the cement and baby boy is just huffing and puffing. You can tell that he's like trying not to physically break it. He's just trying to breathe because it's too much weight that's on his body. And so I look up really quick. I see the other two little boys that are in the corner screaming. I see Tapua, the gentleman that got tased. I see him kind of like, hey guys, I got it. I'm going to talk to the officers. We're going to let them know it wasn't you. And that's when I kind of just like dropped down, like right on my chest, like hands down. And I said, baby, I need you to blink twice if you're

struggling to breathe. And he just kept blinking and blinking at me. I asked him to blink twice. If he was under 18, he just kept blinking. And then I heard the officer start calling for backup. And when the other boys heard backup was coming, that's when they just started. You could just feel their fear. It was very, very palpable. You could feel the shift on the platform because we all recognized that something was getting ready to happen. And so I just started assessing the perimeter, like what's going on, who's here, who has their phone out, where's an adult, where's a guardian. And so once I realized that, Tapiba kind of, once they shifted the first little boy and they moved him onto the stool, once I noticed that he kind of had that under control, he was talking to the officers. I immediately went over to the other two boys.

And that's where you hear me in the video, just trying to get their information. I figured if we die, we're all going to die. And somebody is going to know your name. Somebody is going to know where to find you. Somebody is going to know what happened today. And so my first instinct was just Facebook live. I don't have to use my hands. I don't like everybody's going to see it. It's public. I don't have to filter this. And literally don't, like, everybody's going to see it. It's public. I don't have to filter this. And literally, it was just my family, my friends, what's going on, where are you? And I just kept recording.

Henry, roll the video again. Pull the audio down, please. And so, because I want to walk us through. So when we're watching this video, and I know you're having to deal with this again. So right now, we see there's a young man sitting on the bench. That's the one I ran into initially that was on the ground. So initially you ran into him, he was on the ground, and then they sat up on the bench.

Yes. Okay. And so the brother who was talking to them, how did he enter the picture? So say they're train A, I'm train B on the other side of the platform. There's maybe about a three minute difference between when they arrived. And this initially started from when I actually exit onto the platform. So he was already there letting the police officers know, as well as about four other eyewitnesses. These are not the boys that you all are looking for.

We just got off the train with them. So so so. So this is right there. So they were. So what? Why did they stop them? They are looking for. We just got off the train with them. So, so, so, so let's go to the right there. So they were, so what, why did they stop them? They were looking for. So what an officer told me about an hour and a half into this whole situation was that they received a phone call saying that a group of African-American teens were on the trains and the platform using fireworks. They did not say sticks. They said fireworks. And he said that they were using the fireworks at the passengers so I asked the officer where

did the call come from and he pointed down to the exit by Cordoza but we were all at 13th and V exit and I said sir that's about a four block walk outside so how do we get from one side of the platform to the other where apparently the crimes like committed I said how many how many teens were there because this is only three so this is the triad. This is a threesome. This is a group. This isn't that group that you're talking about. Where are the smoke alarms? Where's the residue?

Did you ask them to empty their pockets? Are there any lighters, any matches? Where's the person that got hurt? Where are the other passengers that were on the train that apparently saw this as well? Where are the cameras? Where are the guardians? Where are the parents? They're 13. just snatched three three young black men three young black kids and then when this and so again i want you i want you to cue the video please i didn't i need to walk

for folks who are watching i'm trying i'm trying to establish we did this yesterday walking people through so freeze it right there. So freeze it right there, Henry. Freeze it right there. So this conversation, we really can't hear him talk to the officer. Is it a calm conversation? Yes. Because I'm looking at it, and I'm not seeing that those two officers upset, mad. You can roll it, please.

Roll the video. At one point, you will see the officer on the right. I think he'll tap the tap the young brother. He touches the boy on his shoulder. You can tell. I guess he's asking, are you OK? He pats him. Stop. And so you're standing there watching it. Yes. And again, the conversation is calm, calm. We're finally we're finally getting some type of understanding and you and you think as you are uh watching this henry uh now bring audio up bring audio up now press play stop stop so we see the officer on the right i I see him hold his hand up. Like, you know, okay.

Then all of a sudden, this guy from the right just comes in. Oh, Captain Planet. He's a captain? No, that's what I called him in my head because I couldn't find his badge. Gotcha. Okay, let me make sure. No, no, no. It was too fast.

I couldn't read the badge. So was he on the scene near there? So you're recording, so you didn't even see him coming to your right. No. I think you can hear me in a different audio that i have i think i call him sonnish the hedgehog you did it was it was it was so fast like i when tapila was speaking with the officers and the little boy that's sitting first of all the gentleman who they stopped had you known him before this no okay no one on the platform got it okay go ahead none of them tapila doesn't even know the children none of us knew any of the other.

Got it, got it. So when I recognized that he's sitting and he's talking with the little boy and the police officer seemed calm and there's also another black brother that's recording it, I said, okay, maybe this is a little bit safer. Let me go make sure that the other two babies are good. And that's when I started engaging, trying to get information, talking to the other eyewitnesses, what's going on, because I'm thinking, what do I need to tell his mother when she finds out that something's happening to her child? So I'm trying to get all this information and just kind of calm them down, because I see more officers coming down from my left-hand side, because remember, they called for backup. So I see another five officers descending the escalator. The trains are still operating.

People are still moving on and off the platform, and they're still coming down. And that's why I tell the boys, all right, guys, you have every right to be upset. You have every right to be pissed. You have every right to want to curse. You have every right to feel what you're feeling. But however, knowing what I know about our police system and our justice system as a whole, just America in general, the minute they hear your voice, they've already seen your color. The minute they hear your voice, you're a threat. And once you have a little base, all of a sudden, there's a whole different deal. And I've got a smoker's voice, so I had to be aware of that, too.

I'm tattooed. I've got locks. I've got a head wrap on. I'm the only female that's on this platform right now. If you see me as a threat, then who's going to protect these babies? Henry, so now I want to play it again. I know it's difficult for you to watch,

but play it again. I know it's difficult for you to watch, but play it again. Keep audio up. I'm also going to narrate over it. So this officer, he immediately comes in. He's laying hands. And what gets me is. And you see the push. There's no balled up.

There's nothing.'s no right aggressive body language you see now stop stop stop henry stop stop so you see the cut see the cop right there in the middle yes so what he did was folks he motioned to the other officer who's in the white to come right here okay now not at any point did those two frankly go to the officer and say, yo, man, calm down. I need you to chill. We got it under control. This guy on the right comes in and immediately escalates this whole situation. Go ahead and play it, Henry.

You circle by to get a different angle. Now you're seeing him tasing, and brother does not appear to be moving with a taser. Then all of a sudden sudden now they take him They take him to the ground He's tasing him again he tells you to back up and I ran over to him. Stop, babe, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop! And this is the part where he almost rolls over off the platform. Mind you, the trains are running every three to five minutes. He can't fucking move!

He's down! Leave him alone! He is down! He is down! Mm-hmm. Going, so... Nene, I want to bring you in. Yeah. Because, again, this is just, to me, this is very basic. You have two officers who are having a conversation with this brother and it's calm.

Cop comes in, young cop, young white cop comes in, immediately escalates the situation and it goes from a simple calm conversation to now tasers out take down and we remember what took place in oklahoma when they had a they had uh some kind of drug sting whatever the brother took off and when three or four officers held to the ground some reserve cop who's like 70 years old pulls his gun out and oh i thought i pulled my taser out and he shot and killed the brother that literally could have happened right here exactly easy easy um right now in dc um the black community is being attacked we at war we literally at war with with met with transit police and mp, they're being trained now to use military tactics on the black community. In the poor communities, they're literally being trained now to use military

tactics on us. And anytime there's something where they feel that they're at fault, it's going to escalate. It's going to escalate because they have to have a reason for their actions. Just like with the statement, when Shamir reached out to me and I was like, she told me it was okay to share the video on our platform. And I spoke with Shamir and she was telling me the story. I was like, no, this is not, this can't happen. And that's when I got in touch with the different councilmen, Black Lives Matter, because we have a rapport with the councilmen, even though we feel like they're not doing enough when it comes to transit police nor MPD. Transit police has no oversight in D.C. That's the problem. So for us, Black Lives Matter, we were part of decriminalizing just for the black kids not to get locked up for not being able to pay the fare on the bus.

So what's going on with transit police is not new to us. So now there's another way to criminalize our black children. Now they can't stop them for not having 50 cents or a dollar to get on a bus. So now they just they the littlest thing they do now is to criminalize black kids, especially when there's a gang of them. So I don't know, just like she just said, I don't know what, I guess, walking while being black. I don't even know if it was. Right. Just breathing.

Kids walking while being black because I don't even know if it was a call. So that's what we want to know. Let us hear the tape. Let us hear the call with someone complaining about some kids in the metro letting match letting letting off fireworks well we've actually run a number of these videos on this show and there have been other examples where black person involved was not uh even involved in it they're being detained yeah cop says well no we're just we know we're just checking we're just like wait hold on

why are you detaining me the case out of Texas well the brother was in his front yard and then the cops said oh you um you had a as a warrant out in Louisiana he's like wait my love I ain't even i ain't never been louisiana and his wife is sitting there and again it's as if he's being detained while you were trying to check something out and it's like wait a hold how did so what it goes to how did you even get to the point of stopping those young men like like what specifically was it so what you're saying is let's hear something so I can hear clothing that match or something. Otherwise, you just have to snatch three black boys and say, OK, we're just going to hold y'all to see if all of a sudden it all matches up.

And what we also know is while we while we're doing this, we're running your names. But at the same time, it was a call for backup. Everything was de-escalated and we're running your names. But at the same time, it was a call for backup. Everything was de-escalated and we're talking. They're talking to the kids. Everything's calm. Why call for... She told me 10 or 20 more cops

came to the scene. Wow. And there were at least four... Was it three? Three black kids. There were at least four, maybe five squad cars up on the top platform of U Street

by the time we got out. And I just kept telling the officers, like, their mama's not here. So until their mama shows up, I'm their mama. And you don't talk to them. They don't leave two feet away from me. I told those boys, I told, I grabbed two. I don't remember who these black girls are, but I just thanked them so much. They were recording, and I said, I need y'all to watch these babies for me.

I said, nobody talks to them except for me. I said, when I come back over here, that's when you let them go. Sit on them, feed them, do what you got to do. Sumo wrestle these boys down. But none of these cops put their hands on them. And they said, okay, okay. And then that's when I went back over and we're just trying to figure out what's going on. The whole issue is we were asking questions.

And that's what was making me so frustrated about it. Not just all the people that were just looking around. Everybody's so excited on Twitter about Ava's documentary about when they see us in the exonerated five. And we almost just had a Central Park three. That's what we just had here. And everyone's, oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.

Something's happening. Let me get on the train. Let me go. And a part of me doesn't even want to fault them for it because I hesitated when I got off that train because I've got bills. I'm a poor black single woman, too. I've got two college degrees because I've got bills. I'm a poor black single woman too. I've got two college degrees that I've got to pay off. All these things are playing through my head. What am I going to tell my job when I'm locked up and I don't have no bail money?

And then you get fired. Because the fact of the matter is, at one point when you step forward and the cop says, I need you to back up. We've seen other instances. Again, we ran a video where a brother was driving. The brother was in the car, was recording. And then all of a sudden, they snatched this brother out of the car and come around and arrest the brother who's recording, who actually had nothing. Yes. And we know how they treat black women. We know how they treat black bodies in general. What about the sister that was getting tackled by the officers and her body parts and everything

all exposed? I was very aware of the fact that I was a black woman on that platform by myself. I have to be aware. It's 2019. I've got to live that every day. But I also have to be aware of you. Like, I'm a foster kid back from Pennsylvania. I know the sounds of having your kids or your siblings

snatched away from you. I know what that pain sounds like. I know what that feels like in your spirit. And there was no way, even after my hesitation, there was no way after hearing those two boys like in the back, just let my brother go, let him go, let him go. There was no way that I was going to let that happen because that took me back to where I was when I'm just begging and pleading for just a conversation, just an answer, just tell me what's happening so that way I can act accordingly. And it was what I had wanted somebody to do for my baby. I don't even have kids, but my womb was just clenched in fear just then because I knew

we were dying. There wasn't a doubt. There wasn't a question. There wasn't a, I hope this doesn't turn out some way. It was, let me get on video. Let me say my name. Let me get these boys' names. That's right.

Because we're getting ready to die. And all of these people are going to witness it. And the reality is, this is why we encourage people to video and to put, we have to protect ourselves. Right. We keep us safe. And people always say, only thing that Black Lives Matter do is hold up a camera or tell people to video, video, all these videos.

That's what's keeping them safe. I can assure you, if Shamir Wood had done what she'd done, those little kids, it was a 90 percent chance, those little kids would have been the kids that they arrested, held them, and made up stories because the police are trained to lie. Clearly by the statement that the chief of police made, everything that in that statement was a lie, was a total lie. And so therefore, her videoing and taking that time out, and this is why we ask people in D.C., we beg you guys, even if you have to stand back, please video the police right now. Because the police are not keeping black people safe in marginalized communities. Their job is to protect property and get us out of here and build wealth in D.C. The three young boys, what happened?

They're home. I stayed the entire time. I wasn't video. And they were not the ones involved. They watched video. And they were not involved at all. But if the police had made them. So now you have three young boys-

Traumatized. Who had to go through a traumatic experience. Yes. Something they never did. Yep. And that's what they were saying. That's what eyewitnesses were saying. That's what everyone was saying.

We're just trying to talk to you. Like, isn't that what all these presidential Democratic candidates are talking about? To have these town halls. Let's get to talking to the community. Let's see what they need from us. Let's do police reform. and then literally the public is trying to do that actively I was trying to do that with you I'm not even a DC resident I'm trying to talk to you and you decided that she wanted to escalate the

situation and the brother who got tased charters dropped? After two days of being locked up. They're actually in touch with us now. After two days? He was in for two days? Two days. Two days. They kept him from Saturday. He didn't get released until Monday at 1 o'clock with everybody calling in. On Twitter, on Instagram. They saw it, and they didn't want that smoke.

But see, this is also, to your point, when you hesitated, that when these things happen it's why folks also are afraid to step in and intervene completely because I don't want to spend two days in jail I don't know somehow get roped in so you know what I don't want to do all that show and the reality is that it's you know you have to make that call right I do this work because because Harriet Tubman did it for me. I do this work because Rosa Parks did the work, right? Someone got to do the work to get us free, to get us liberated. And so, therefore, if that's not what you can do, like I just said, you don't even have to stand close.

A video speaks louder than a statement. You know what I mean? Final comment, Shamir. You clearly are still bothered by this. I can see you trembling right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're actually trying to get her some therapy, but we're trying to raise funds now. And I shared her to her Cash App on Twitter because she needs, she had to process this and she had to process it with someone, with a professional. Because I was just telling her, as far as

Black Lives Matter, we do this work but we do healing we have therapists and so right now we're in the process where we do have one of our healers that's going to speak with her because she's traumatized by this she's traumatized so we're really trying to get her a therapist to process this work for her go go ahead final Yeah. This whole idea of Black Lives Matter was created for moments just like this. Because black lives have always mattered. To us, at least. But if black lives truly matter, my main concern right now is what's going to happen after this video dies out. After the shock is over, are we going to continue to be disengaged?

Are we going to continue to be desensitized to what it is that we see? Are we going to continue scrolling through an article just to see whether or not the black person died? What are we going to do afterwards? And I think it's extremely incumbent upon, especially all of these political hotheads that are here, I care about the babies in here. I care about the babies

in Syria. I care about the babies in detention centers. But I also care about my black babies walking down the street that aren't allowed to just breathe or listen to go-go music or go to school. Tamir Rice was 12. These boys were 13. These boys were 13. They were the next Tamir. How old was Corey and Yusef and the rest of them from New York? They were the same exact age. I have a 13-year-old little brother, and that was my brother at that moment. That was my brother, my father, my seed. That was my future. That was my past. That was everything. And there was no way in hell that they were dying by themselves. And so right now, all of this, I've been tweeting politicians. I haven't slept since Saturday night, and I've been tweeting

everybody. I don't care about what you're about to do for college free, clearing the college debt, Bernie Sanders. I don't care. You don't care about reparations. You didn't care about the black women at the panel that were trying to speak to you. You all don't care about black trans lives. You all don't care about black boys. You don't care about the over-sexualizing of black women. So when are you really going to start caring? Because you keep trying to shut us up with all lives matter. So show me, show me that all lives matter you can't multitask kamala harris can't multitask elizabeth warren can't multitask cory booker can't multitask none of them can but it's going to be cool when it's a hashtag it's going to be cool when all of a sudden this airs on tv and now it's oh my goodness

it's the hot story let's talk about it let's have a town hall go talk to miss melissa laws the mother of the little boy that's traumatized we'll. Let's have a town hall. Go talk to Miss Melissa Laws, the mother of the little boy that's traumatized. Go talk to the little boys that are traumatized. Talk to Tapia. Talk to the people on the platform that are traumatized by that. Those are the ones you need to be speaking to. Fuck your police. Fuck the other people in power that you're talking to. Get down in the goddamn gutter

and talk to the people that are down there that are black, that are poor, that are hungry, that don't have the educational system, don't have the creative outlets, don't have the mental health support. Taraji P. Henson was just talking to Congress, was she not? Senate, whoever the fuck it was, come talk down here. Is this your city? Wale, this is your city.

Kevin Durant, this is your city. Come down to your damn city because they are killing your boys. They're killing your boys. That's, yeah. damn city because they are killing your boys they're killing your boys that's yeah well we appreciate first of all for you stepping up and doing this uh one uh we will get the information uh from you regarding your cash app we also would do uh is i will be calling uh kevin washington kevin was with the Association of Black Psychologists. He's often been on our show. And I'll reach out to him, as well as Dr. Jeffrey Gardier, also known as American Psychologist.

These are two folks who frequently come on our show. And so what we'll do is we'll definitely call them and have them definitely connect with you and talk with you. That way, they're not based here, but least uh these are two uh of our uh strongest black uh psychologists huh i think yeah they better be oh i got this hold on i got this i got a list i got a list of black psychology don't worry about that so so i can you ain't gonna ask that question with me i I got that. I figured that out. So I will personally hit both of them up and then have them reach out to you. And we appreciate certainly keep us up to date of what's going on. We need people to tweet to get that get that cop off the street.

He's patrolling. He's patrolling our streets, our subways right now. So tweet Metro Transit Metro Metro, and get that cop off the street. Alright. Nene, Ms. Jones, we appreciate it. Thank you for having us. We'll be back. Roland Martin Unfiltered,

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Get in the game and get in the game now. All right. I want to bring in my panel right now. So a couple of things that we're going to do. First of all, let me do this here. I have a guest who's actually waiting for this ProPublica story dealing with the issue of opportunity zones. And so they've been waiting. We were supposed to go to them about 20 minutes ago, but we allowed that last conversation to go on. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to bring that guest up right now, talk about that, and I'm going to come back with our panel to talk about the interview that we

just did, the stunning conversation that we just had with Shamir Jones about what took place here in Washington, D.C., because I know they certainly want to comment on that. And so I don't want to miss that opportunity. Of course, we covered right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered when Donald Trump signed his Opportunity Zones executive action. And so they touted at the White House, all those different things. So people like Under Armour's Kevin Plank, one of the richest people in America and in Maryland, they're getting huge tax breaks for investments that are not new and not in a poor area. Plank's area was picked over neighborhoods that are actually poor. ProPublica had an investigation into how Trump's tax breaks are helping the rich get rich and leaving the poor poor.

Joining us now is Jeff Ernsthausen, a data reporter for ProPublica. Jeff, how you doing? I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. I had one of the folks who was at the White House when this actually first was announced, a guy from Baltimore, an African-American. And I said, I said, I will, we will cover this. I said, but I want to make sure that this is actually helping poor folks and not allowing some rich folks to get by when it comes to being able to make more money. What did y'all discover about Under Armour, their CEO, and the Opportunity Zone there in Baltimore?

So our reporting found that Kevin Plank, Under Armour's CEO, was able to get a program or get a project that he's building in Baltimore called Port Covington to be in an area that would qualify for a huge tax break under Trump's tax law. And this was even though the census tract that he's building in is actually too wealthy to qualify for the program. We found that it was made eligible ultimately by mistake on the part of the U.S. Treasury in mapping out what tracts could be included. And then it was picked by Maryland Governor Larry Hogan's administration, even though we found emails suggesting that they were aware that it was too wealthy to be included in the program. And they did so after meeting with Plank's representatives and lobbyists. So they knew beforehand. They knew beforehand it was too wealthy to qualify, and they went ahead with it anyway. Yes, we have an email showing that a member of Hogan's staff sent himself a sort of note saying that the area was too wealthy to qualify.

And then several weeks later, when they saw this revision from Treasury, they went ahead and included it anyway after meeting with Plank's folks. So what what oversight does Treasury have to ensure that poor tracks are actually getting the investment and this kind of crap is not happening? So, I mean, Treasury, you know, ultimately, I think they had to approve the selection by governors, but basically they put out their list and governors could choose 25 percent of the eligible tracks at their own discretion and without any further guidance for what they had to do other than pick from the list. And what's what's stunning here again, and this is what I warn people i warn them on this i said because if it's going to the right people i got no problem with it and this is the concern that many people have these opportunity zones where where it will be manipulated in order for rich folks to be able to help folks like themselves and not the poor folks supposedly uh it's going to help. Now, since your story, how has Treasury responded? How has Governor Larry Hogan responded?

So we have not heard from Governor Larry Hogan or from Treasury since the story came out. Obviously, we went to them with our findings before we ran the story. And Hogan's folks reiterated that they're big supporters of the Port Covington program. And they also pointed us towards Treasury for this issue of why it qualified. Treasury said, you know, we made a technical decision, even though I mentioned to them that experts say it was actually an error. And they sort of just stood by that. So what happens now? He gets the tax breaks and the screw the poor? Well, it's not clear exactly how the manner in which he's going to benefit. I mean,

one of them is going to be that he's going to be ultimately selling some of this area off to other people. And with this new tax break, those you can imagine folks might be a bit more eager to buy in that area. This is exactly the kind of shady crap that I warn people about. I had all of these Republicans hitting me up. You won't give Donald Trump any credit for doing anything. This is going to help black people. This is clear specifically in this project. It is not going to help the folks who are impoverished in those areas. It's going to line the pockets of a billionaire even further.

Yeah, there's no particular requirement within the law that the people who live in an area that receives investment necessarily benefited from it. The theory that they are going with is that money coming into an area is good for the area. I think if the law includes better regulations around transparency, maybe we'll be able to ultimately assess what the impact was someday. Jeff, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for the fine work ProPublica does. You guys do a great job and we'll keep following this story. Be sure to let us know the next report you do on these Opportunity Zones and we'll have you back. All right. Thanks for having me. All right, then let's bring in our panel right now. Teresa Lundy. She's the founder, principal,

principal founder of TML Communications. She joins us via Skype. Malik Abdul, Vice President, Black Conservative Federation. Dr. Jason Nichols, Department of African American Studies, University of Maryland. Jason, I'm going to start with you. Well, first, let's talk about that last three opportunity zones. I kept warning people. I said, I said, I will give anybody credit if something is work working like it's supposed to. There's no reason in the world why the Trump Treasury Department and Governor Larry Hogan of Maryland should not cancel this right now because it does not qualify for these opportunity zones. Absolutely. And as a matter of fact, by getting all these tax breaks, just like, you know, people made the argument with with Amazon in New York. They're actually robbing the people of Baltimore and robbing the people of Maryland. In an opportunity zone, there are plenty of places

in Baltimore City that need development that could use the help of Kevin Plank. Kevin Plank, you know, a fellow Terp. There's plenty of places, you know, in West Baltimore, in East Baltimore. But his area, Port Covington in South Baltimore, is an area that is not poor, doesn't need that significant level of investment. And this isn't necessarily going to help the people that need it. And again, the Trump administration always, you know, kind of says that they're going to do things, but then gives a little wink. Malik. Well, I don't know what happened in Baltimore here in D.C. And I can speak for the hold on we're discussing this was

this particular story right pro publica has broken it down that this is this is not did not qualify the governor larry hogan of maryland his office knew this was not uh right it was not in the right census tract and the treasury department went ahead and approved it anyway this is wrong yeah well well i can't speak to what happened in baltimore but i'm asking about what happened in baltimore well i i don't know so you're asking me something you're asking me about something that i don't know why those decisions were made no no i'm not no i'm not you read the poll hold on i might ask you about why those decisions were made what i'm saying is here we have pro public health through the reporting They discovered the emails showing what they knew. This did not qualify that the track was too rich. Isn't this the kind of crap that should not be happening? There should be much better oversight to ensure

that if it's if this track is too rich, they shouldn't be getting the tax breaks on the opportunity zones. Yes or no? Absolutely. And I don't disagree with that. But I'm going to give you an example of where those opportunity zones have actually worked. No. Here in the District of Columbia, our mayor, I mean, well, we're going to talk about opportunity zones. So I want to talk about the opportunity zones. No, no. We're talking about this specific story. I'm giving you an example. This is a bad example. This is where opportunity zones did not work.

Okay. Malik,ik malik hold on malik one second malik malik malik one second no no no no malik one second one second let's be real clear okay i've covered this yes we know there are places where things work. We're specifically talking about a case where it has failed and no one has made a move. Hogan's administration will not comment, okay? The Treasury Department, Steve Mnookin, they will not comment. And what I'm saying is that's wrong. What should happen? Well, we've already had agreement that that was actually wrong. I don't know. No, I'm asking you what should happen. I mean, I don't know what

happened in these type of situations. If they need to, if the zones need to be redesigned, redesignated or whatever, then that's something that we should do. The zones are already identified based upon poverty. You're asking me about, I don't know about that part of the program. Well, I can tell you what should happen. I can tell you here in the District of Columbia where it actually worked. They're 24 hour mayor. And I don't know if it happens at the mayoral level in baltimore or the the governor is actually responsible for it but here in the district of columbia but here in district of columbia but here in the district of columbia first of all i was the district of columbia is no state well so it has to be the mayor. Our mayor designated 24 opportunity zones, 24 opportunity zone tracks in the city.

Our mayor did 24. No, 18 of those 24 opportunity zones are located in areas where I live, which is east of the river. Yes. Which which which likely means which likely means that where it was likely means that in Washington, D.C., they actually filed the law. Yeah, they absolutely did. So what I'm saying is. It doesn't work. Or this is something that. Oh, my God. Teresa, Teresa, let me go to you. Teresa, let me go to you.

Because. No, no, you're wrong. You're wrong. No, I am telling you wrong. According to. No, no, no, no. Malik. No, no, Malik.

Let me tell you why you're wrong. No, I am not. No, Malik. You're talking about. No, Malik. no, Malik, I am not disagreeing. I said yes. Yes, Malik, why we're discussing Baltimore is because that's the story's subject. Absolutely. It's like we're going to show.

And I said that I don't agree with what happened in Baltimore. And I'm asking what should be done. Teresa, here's the piece. The governor of Maryland, Republican, maybe that's why you don't want to criticize him. It has nothing to do with that. Teresa, the reality is here. It has nothing to do with that. Teresa, the reality is here. It has nothing to do with that. The governor of Maryland needs to have the guts to say you are not going to get the tax breaks because you're in violation.

They knew in advance they should have the guts to answer the calls of ProPublica and the same with the Trump Treasury Department. Absolutely. Governor Hogan does owe a responsibility to his commonwealth and also the constituents that are made from the Trump administration. But as I see opportunity zones, you know, living in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are an opportunity indeed for those, you know, communities that need it the most. We there has to be some oversight for the overall approach in order to make it whole. Jason and Jason, this is why every single opportunity zone, every single deal that is made should be completely scrutinized to ensure you do not have rich folks taking advantage of a law designed to help poor people. Absolutely. And one of the things that we know is that Kevin Plank is an FOT.

He's a friend of Trump. We know that he was. Oh, now it's Trump, though. Guys, good grief. Seriously, we're talking about the Trump administration. We're talking about Trump. But you didn't want to hear an example of that actually happening. We're talking.

Because it didn't fit your narrative. I understand. All right. All right. No. Let's not do that. Hold on. Hold on.

No, no, no. Let's be real. No. Let's not do that. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, no, Malik. Let's be real. No, let's be real clear. What's happening in D.C. Let's be real clear. There is only one narrative. There is one. There is one narrative.

I know. The anti-Trump narrative. No, no. The narrative is if it helps those who are supposed to help, good. But where there is an example where it doesn't? We're going to call it out. Jason, go ahead. Because Kevin Flank is a friend of Donald Trump.

Somehow, when you call the Treasury Department, they're like, well, you know, and they don't want to answer phone calls. And maybe, you know, maybe I'm incorrect, but I think it sounds like someone's getting a sweetheart deal because they know someone. That's the point that I'm making. That I think it sounds like someone's getting a sweetheart deal because they know someone. That's the point that I'm making. Well, of course, that's a

convenient argument to make. But, of course, I gave you an example. Oh, stop, stop. That wasn't what I was debating. That wasn't what I was debating, Malik. That wasn't what I was debating, Malik. Give me another rationale you think why

Kevin Plank got the sweetheart deal? Well, I don't have another. Even though the documentation shows. I don't have another rationale. I was assuming maybe somebody knows somebody who knows somebody. So that's the point I'm just making. But you're making this a Trump administration thing when it's not a Trump administration thing. Because we're talking about the Trump Treasury Department.

There are wealthy people who are benefiting from the same Opportunity Zone program in D.C. where it seems to be actually working. So this notion that somehow people won't benefit from a program where they're investing money. Maybe it's just nonsense. Maybe the difference is because maybe the difference is because you've got a black Democratic mayor in Baltimore. I'm not done. No, I'm not. Hold up. See, this is see, this is why sometimes you should not write checks. Your ass can't cash. Because I had to listen. No, I had to listen.

No, I had to listen. No, I had to listen. No, I had to listen. I had to listen. Did you read the article? No. Had you listened, Malik, you would have recognized that Hogan's office approved it. Right. And so, and, no, he's the governor. He's the governor. He's the governor.

The governor. So the mayor of Baltimore had no say-so in the Opportunity Zone, which is in their own city? Malik, Malik, read the story, bro. Is that a yes or a no? Malik, Malik. Read the article. Hold on. Stop right there. Hold. Hold up, stop right there. Hold up.

All I'm going to say is read it. But the mayor had no involvement. Yes, I did. Okay, well, I don't know what you're saying. I didn't have any involvement in it. This doesn't fit your narrative. It didn't say I didn't have

any involvement in it. This doesn't fit your narrative. It didn't say it real simple. It didn't say Malik didn't have any involvement in it. One second, this is real simple, folks. To all the folks watching at home, I guess you were part of it

because to all the folks watching at home, this is the simple, folks. To all of those watching at home, to all of those watching at home, to all of you watching, to all of you watching, this is called deflection. The fact of the matter is this here. The fact I'm talking right now, the fact of the matter is this. This is very simple. The fact of the matter is this. ProPublica has a story outlining how a billionaire in Maryland is taking advantage of opportunity zones that are supposed to go to poor tracks. They knew it ahead of time. And the governor of Maryland, Republican Larry Hogan, his administration allowed it to go through.

The Treasury Department, under Steve Mnookin, working for Republican Donald Trump, allowed it to go through. All we're saying is, very simple, is that if you are in violation of the very rules you set up, then you should not be getting a tax break. That's what you should be doing. I don't have to deflect and bring up D.C. or Houston or Charlotte or St. Louis to say this is wrong. And when ProPublica finds the next one, we're going to talk about that one as well. Therese, I do want to go back to Shamir Jones, a young woman who just talked to us about this case in D.C. And this is the thing that I think white folks have no clue about, that black folks, when you talk about the levels of stress in terms of dealing with racism, white folks don't have to walk around and then wonder

if I need to record. White folks don't have to walk around and wonder if I'm just going to get snatched for doing something. I wasn't involved. They actually white folks get to live their lives totally different from black people. Here you have this sister who is traumatized by it. The young brothers who are traumatized by it. The brother who spent two days in jail traumatized by it, the brother who spent two days in jail traumatized by it. And we have these cops who still walk around, walk around on the force. And this is why black folks are fed up with this systematic breakdown of policing in this country. And I think we're beyond fed up

at this point. I thoroughly enjoyed the first half of the show with our sister because honestly he was left alone he was left alone he was left in a jail cell for two days um you know if it wasn't for her that narrative from the police department would have just went viral and i think you know even when she was on the show she spoke a lot about her passion but more so you still saw her trembling. And so the young lady next to her, who was an organizer for Black Lives Matter in D.C., was very instrumental in making sure that she stayed on message and on point. And I tell you why that's important, because coming on a digital show and a podcast of this magnitude,

we, as in the public, just need to make sure we get all that information out so we can have these dialogues and also appreciate next steps. But again, more has to be done. More has to be done legally, more has to be done municipality, and more so federal.

So what do we need to do to change? That is the conversation for the ages. But going back to while white people are comfortable, that's because we've allowed them to be comfortable. We've allowed them to gentrify our neighborhoods. We've allowed them to come in and move grandma out the house and take away the flower pot and put a bike rack. And we haven't said anything. Our voices have been silenced. But I think right now, in this day and age, hopefully the fed-upness actually turns into solutions. And I think if we do it collectively instead of individually, we'll make that happen. Jason, it was difficult to listen to her tell the story, describing all those things that happened.

Again, this is the reality of black people in this country there are hundreds of shamir jones across this country uh and uh the brother in chicago who was reciting the law to the cop uh and again we just want to live like everybody else. But the bottom line is we got to know the law. We got to record stuff. We got to always have our phones charged, all that sort of stuff, just to walk, just to get on a subway. And I think one of the things that we have to understand is because of things like this, this is what makes a lot of, you know, I hate to group all white people together, but this is what makes many white people think that they can weaponize the police against black people. This is what makes them think, well, I call the police. They're my personal protectors

or personal, you know, strong arm. And, you know, if you're selling water and I don't like it, or if you're doing something else and I don't like it, I can weaponize them against African-American people. The other thing that I would say is that, you know, it was no, you know, it was definitely jarring to hear what the sister said. But it was also, you know, pretty conspicuous that we had two women up here and that women have been the people who are really fighting these fights, whether it's in Black Lives Matter or in a lot of other organizations. So, you know, we have to give a shout out to a lot of these sisters who, unfortunately, some of them are becoming, you know, modern day Mamie Till's. Well, you had the two women up here, but you're

the brother who was the one who was trying to intervene to talk to the cops as well. So you had both of those going. Malik? Thank God for Shamir. You know, I live in D.C., so nothing about this video really surprised me. You know, I sometimes try to get it in on this show when we're talking about things that are happening nationally. And I mentioned the things that are happening in D.C. This is just yet another example of such. I've seen so many similar videos in D.C. The challenge is, of course, and I'm sure the young lady with Black Lives Matter would agree, is that there isn't any national support when things like this happen in D.C. We probably won't see this story anywhere else. National media probably won't cover it.

You will cover it. Well, first of all, let's be real clear. National media likely is not going to cover this story unless somebody was killed. Let's just be real clear you have white media executives who if someone was shot and killed and it rose to the level of outrage then they will cover it they're not going to have shamir on to tell her story which is why this show matters yeah because uh the thing is this cop Teresa, he is still patrolling. Any supervisor watching this video, any supervisor watching this video, anybody watching it should say when that cop jumped in and immediately put his hands on that brother,

they should say, no, no, your butt's off the streets. But they are still and and this is the problem we have i think the traditional recourse is to suspend the clock uh for a few days and there's no consequences he's back to work on desk duty or the other alternative is uh they kind of just put put them um in another you know, area of working. But what really needs to happen is we need to get them where it hurts, and that's the pension. I have always been an advocate of making sure that the FOP holds their own

as it holds their own accountable. And apparently since they can't do it, you know, by just taking their badge, because essentially that cop that we saw, he can just move to another city or another township and be back on the streets doing the same exact thing. So I say, and I think more legislators probably should get on board, is to make sure that the pension has some sort of consequences because when you continuously attack the people that you are supposed to protect and serve you also put the public at a um at a disservice so i think you know more legislation needs to happen as regards to that

okay all right yeah yeah i just wanted to mention that robert white um I think at one point you were going to have him on the show, but he had to reschedule. But Robert White, our council member, at-large council member, actually wrote a letter. And so he's calling for an actual hearing on these practices, these police practices. And it bears repeating in this case, this was a transit cop.

This wasn't even police. This was a transit cop. Well, here's the deal. If you walk around with a gun uh first of all remember um remember my man was killed in bart uh uh the story of fruitville station yeah yeah oscar grant okay killed by a transit cop bottom line is if you got a gun and a badge you a So I don't make the distinction between transit cop or metro cop. You a cop where somebody could end up dead as a result of your ridiculous actions. Alright folks, Augustine Tolton

was born to slavery in Missouri in 1854. He escaped to freedom as a child during the Civil War and later became the first African American priest in the Roman Catholic Church. He is now set to become the first black saint. Joining us now on Skype to talk about Tolton's path to sainthood is Bishop Shelton J.

Forbeer, chaplain for the Knights of Peter Claver. The Knights of Peter Claver is the largest historically African-American Catholic lay organization in the United States. And Bishop, hopefully I got you, pronounce your last name correct. Close enough. It's like Bob with an F, Bob, but you did good. Say it again, was it pronounced it? Bob. Bob, gotcha.

All right then. Well, first of all, I'm quite familiar with KPC because I was born and raised Catholic and I was a junior knight. My grandfather was in KPC. My grandmother was, of course, she was the head of her branch, her auxiliary, about 40 plus years. So I'm quite familiar with KPC.

But tell us about how Augustine is, what did he do to move towards sainthood? Well, you know, God is the one who makes saints, and the church just recognizes that. Augustus Tolton, as you rightly said, is the first African-American priest, clearly African-American priest. He was a very, very holy man. He was born into slavery, and his family escaped. He went on to study in Rome and was fluent in Italian and studied Latin and Greek. So he was a very intelligent young man. He was ordained a priest in Rome, and Father Augustus expected to be sent to Africa, but the leadership in Rome sent him back to the United States, back home to Illinois, and he was a priest in Quincy, Illinois,

to rave reviews, an outstanding preacher. He later went on to serve in Chicago as a priest. Naturally, at the time, racism was a very big part of his suffering and life. He was, in many, many ways, in great, great suffering as a black priest because of racism. But he loved the people whom he served. He was an outstanding preacher. There were many Caucasian people who went to hear his preaching. He lived a very holy life. And Pope Francis recently recognized that and raised him to the rank of what we call venerable. So we can now ask Augustus

Tolton to please pray for us, just as we would ask any friend to pray for us. Now, the next step for him would be a miracle, a miraculous healing or something like that, that would be attributed to, you know, the intercession of Augustus Tolton, he would be beatified, which is a step to being declared a saint. And then after beatification, another miracle would make him a saint, and he would be the first African-American saint in the church. So it's a wonderful thing that Pope Francis has done. And certainly Augustus Tolton is a man whose humility and a man whose virtue and a man whose perseverance we would want to imitate, as well as his great love for Christ. What does this mean for black Catholics specifically?

I think it's great. You know, I think it's one of our own that the church is consider raising to the altars, as it is said, the first African-American saint. There are many other black saints, St. Martin de Porres, St. Josephine Bakhita, but this would be the first African-American Catholic saint. So I think it's a sign of the fact that African-American Catholics are in this country. We are a part of the church, and we have been and are known for our sanctity, and how wonderful it would be to have someone formally recognize that this African-American man who struggled with a lot, amongst the things racism, nonetheless loved the Lord and did great things. And so I think he's a real model, not only for African-American

Catholics, but for all Catholics, which is hopefully when he's canonized, he will be lifted up as a model for all Catholics across the world. But this process and what Pope Francis has done is a time of great rejoicing for black Catholics and African-American Catholics. All right. We shall appreciate it. Thanks a lot. And say please say hello to all of my KPC friends. I've got tons of family who are still in KPC. We appreciate it. Thanks a lot. I will do that. Thank you. All right, folks, let's talk about the story. This is an interesting story. The brother who is the general manager of the Toronto Raptors, Masai Ujuri. Remember, after the Raptors beat the Golden State Warriors in Oakland to win the NBA title, a cop says that Ujuri actually pushed

him when he refused to show his credential to get onto the floor. Well, the witnesses come forward to say that the cops are lying about their altercation with the GM. Again, he was accused of striking the Alameda County Sheriff's deputy during an altercation at Oracle Theater. Now, that cop, first of all, watch the video. Check this out. Check this out. Check this out. Now, that's one of the videos. There was another video where you actually see the cop in the video.

I'm going to try to find that one. And what's interesting is that the cop then tried to say that oh my goodness he suffered a concussion he was unable to go to work and they were defending him well guess what they've now come forward to admit that your jury did not hit him or push him. Teresa, they should fire his ass. They should fire the lying cop. On the spot. But again, this is an ongoing precedent when it comes to some police officers, not all of them, but some police officers,

where they put out a statement, and if we don't have the video, if we don't have the audio footage, if we don't have two or four other people because one ain't enough anymore to stand by, you know, the word of others, this man could have lost his job, his endorsement, you know, everything that he's worked hard for from, you know, probably came from the hood and worked his way up to the league. But all that could have been lost in an instant.

So I'm glad that we did have our protections. You know, in the Bible, they say, put on the full armor of God. You pretty much need that in public nowadays. So it's unfortunate, but, you know, justice was served in this case. What was real interesting, Jason, and I'm trying to pull it up right now, is that the cop tried to say, oh, he didn't produce his credential. But there was someone else, though, who was backstage, who was backstage with Ujuri. And there's video of Ujuri.

In fact, go to my iPad. Go to my ipad folks you're about to see in his right hand once he hugs somebody watch what you're about to see jason you see his credential on his right wrist. So here you have video. First, the cop says, we're done. I asked for his credential. He refused.

He refused to produce it. It's on his wrist. You think somehow he walked to the floor and took his credential off and threw it? No. He knew the rules. In order to get on the floor, you got to have your credential. I've covered NBA games. The only way I can walk on the floor, I can't walk on the floor.

I can walk around the floor with a press credential. I know this. Right. You know, I don't think there's any defense that you can really give for this officer. The worst part, though, to me is that he lied. That's the whole thing. I mean, you're... Not just lie. I've got a concussion.

My jaw. Oh, I can't work. Right. I mean, you know, I will say this just generally. You know, police officers are human. They can make mistakes. But you can't lie about it. There's no excuse for a lie. That's when you start getting fired at any other place of employment.

If you lie and they are able to prove that you've lied, then you should be terminated. So I think this this officer saying that he's got a concussion, that there was no credential produced or all these kinds of things. These are things that I think are fireball offenses. I love this one here, Malik. Video footage showed Ujuri

retaliating by striking the deputy in the face with two fists one which landed underneath his jaw on the left side of his face and the body camera on the deputy switched off once you jury made contact right here's what actually i think happened the cops stood out there our guy well got hit we're launching investigation then they went oh or the video the body cam video shows our cop was lying and they now admit your jury did have his credential i guarantee you and this is why the whole deal with pete buda judge in south indiana is important

why the cameras need to always be working so we can hear and see what the cop does i guarantee they played that video where our guy was lying damn now we gotta sit and apologize and i think i actually think i saw a video of him being on the floor where it was someone who was shooting from an angle you can actually see him on the floor with the actual credential in his hand. So it was no confusion. And also the Sheriff's Office now also confirms that your jury told the deputy what his role with the team was before the confrontation.

No, this is all because of the body camera. This is all, they went back and saw the body camera like, damn. And that's what power does. That's what the power that we actually give to our law enforcement, you know, it encourages this type of behavior. He lied. It's no confusion about the power that we actually give to our law enforcement you know it encourages this type of behavior he lied it's no confusion about the fact that he lied and he should be relieved

of his duties as a police officer i mean we keep telling y'all we know that i keep telling y'all these lying damn cops these lying cops i'm sorry the moment you lie your last you gotta go to the job folks actor and comedian bill cosby was finally awarded the opportunity to file his appeal with the Superior Court of Pennsylvania. The appeal says the judge allowed testimony from other women accusers that wasn't relevant. Cosby's lawyers say the accounts from the five other women were strikingly dissimilar to that of trial accuser Andrea Constant and too remote in time for her 2014 encounter with Bill Cosby. Okay, y'all. You know, i really matter of fact you know what could y'all go ahead and play i was supposed to do this with another story uh could y'all play the crazy is why people stinger i i i think this earns that that distinction can y'all

go ahead and play it get it ready for me. Okay, y'all. So who is this week's contestant? Bill O'Reilly. So just the other day, of course, you know, last week they had the hearings on Capitol Hill about reparations. Well, Bill O'Reilly, you know, the man who sexually harassed numerous women, had to pay out $32 million in settlements. As a result, Bill decided to weigh in on the issue of reparations. Bill O'Reilly sent this tweet out. Please pull it up.

Slavery reparations is a far left favorite because it does a number of things. the radical belief that the United States was founded by racist white men who installed a system whereby white guys would run everything and blacks, women and others would be exploited. um bill you you do know that's actually what the hell happened you you you do know when the constitution was created and they were writing the Declaration of Independence and they were writing all of them. All of them wonderful little fly. Everybody created with inalienable rights. All men are created equal. All men are created equal. They were actually not talking about black men. You do know

when the laws were put in place that allowed slavery, white folks weren't slaves. You do know that those laws were on the books. You do know that the Supreme Court actually invalidated one of the Civil Rights Act by saying that not only was it wrong for what Congress did, the Supreme Court even ruled that Congress could not even pass a law to stop Jim Crow. You do know all that stuff happened.

You are familiar with the Dred Scott decision. You are familiar with Plessy v. Ferguson. I mean, you do know that. I mean, you do know that those same white men had slaves, including the first president, George Washington, including Thomas Jefferson. You do know. I'm just trying to understand that you get punched by the Toronto general manager's gym and suffer concussion. And you somehow forgot those things. I'm trying to understand exactly what school you went to. Now, this is the same Bill O'Reilly who actually writes so-called history books, which clearly means that somebody else is writing the books. All he's doing is putting his name on the books. Y'all, this is why people like Bill O'Reilly have no business even having a television show.

See, this is sort of the nonsense that you see that emanates from people like him. And, of course, all the folks who follow him on the Fox News, when you listen to Laura Ingram and listen to Tucker Carlson and all those folks, I mean, literally say stuff and you go, what world are y'all living in? I could not even give you a list of books to somehow prove that what he said is wrong. I mean, I don't have to. I mean, it's kind of there. I mean, it's sort of like right there.

The laws are there. I mean, I dare say the biggest member of the KKK, David Duke probably would say, damn, Bill, you stupid. I mean, that's how unbelievably asinine yeah bill o'reilly is so bill just do all of us a favor okay take all of the money that you have that you kept uh after putting your hands on all these women and of course leaving them sexually charged voicemails uh the woman who worked for your show and remember you you were talking about, what's that shower thing? It's not a, what do they call that thing? It's not a

paloofa? No, it's whatever the, you know, it was a loofah. There you go. Bill was talking about what he wanted to do with her with a loofah. Why don't you just go sit your ass in a corner somewhere and just keep all the millions you've earned on radio and in Fox News

and stop tweeting tweeting because you clearly are dumb as hell and just allow us to deal with the stupidity of the people who followed you. I mean, just stop, please, for the sake of people with brains. And in fact, Bill, you're embarrassing white people. I mean, I'm sure there's somebody white going, damn, can we trade him in in the in the in the in the lottery? Can we trade him in? Can we pick up Clarence Thomas for Bill O'Reilly? I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, Clarence Thomas, he ain't got a problem with black people getting kicked off juries. I don't know what in hell to make of these folks this week.

I really don't get it. You know, we got a next conservative convention. What you going to do when Bill and Clarence show up? Well, Bill, Bill does not need to show up at all. Bill, what Bill said is ridiculous. It aligns with no history that we know of here in the United States at all. And this is one of those situations where, you know, in this case, he's a conservative saying things to preach to a choir who should be just silent on things that really, when we're talking about race, he literally makes no sense in what he's saying. To say that this country was not founded by racist people. And you...

Jason, you teach... We weren't even full people in the Constitution. Right, I mean, not even, I mean. So how did it work? Women couldn't vote until 1920. No, white women couldn't vote. White women. You know, the thing is,

I've actually found this tweet to be very alarming. I was like, it was funny at first, and then I was like, yo, this is alarming. Because as you said, he's got all these books, Killing Lincoln, Killing this one, Killing Thomas Jefferson. He has all these books, and people consume them thinking they're getting real history. history you know oh no you have dinesh kassouza who literally uh out there jason theresa who is tweeting constantly saying republicans never own slaves and kevin cruz a white historian is dropping the receipts and they're like no it happened i mean it's and what they're doing theresa they are literally creating this alternative universe these alternative facts and you got white folks running around you know retweeting them and repeating it because they act as if danessa susan won't respond

to my tweets i mean it's just that to me is how crazy it is because these people actually going yeah say it to national i'm like y'all he's a dumbass. Yeah, he's an idiot. When I first saw that tweet, the two words that stood out to me was radical belief because when you even mention the word radical, it means extreme or something drastic. So for Bill O'Reilly not to have any consertion about what's real and what actually happened and for it to be a far left decision, you know,

for Democrats to stand on it is very alarming, especially for someone who has won such a huge profile of followers, who has spoken at so many institutions and organizations post his release. And it just really, you know, it really does come down to what you said, Roland, as in the alternative history, you know, and what does that history that, you know, people are trying to change or are not trying to bring up? You know, what is this new history? So it's a lot of questions here.

And I hope, you know, this was a learning experience. And I hope we're know, this was a learning experience. And I hope we're keeping this, keeping all these tweets, you know, because these people can't be forgotten. We can't, we cannot mention, you know, these influential individuals and celebrities who, you know, have an impact on a larger society. Twitter should have been sending him an actual, you know, suspension button for his inaccuracy and his ignorance on history. And let me say this here. And first of all, this was the second tweet. This is even more laughable. It also suggests that personal responsibility does not count when the legacy of slavery dropped a curtain of oppression on

the black race. And there's no recovering from from that the radical left says our society remains unjust to this day forget personal responsibility lord y'all but let me say this here let me go ahead and say this here there are some people who are watching me right now and people who are likely tweeting you're posting on facebook and periscope and youtube and you're likely saying roland you're giving these people too much attention. Because y'all tell me the same thing when I smack down Candace Owens. Here's why. Bill O'Reilly has 3 million

Twitter followers. And I keep telling y'all, this is why I don't allow lies to be stated on this show, and I can't let it go by. Because if somebody is watching, they go, bro, didn't say nothing. So clearly what so-and-so said must be true.

This is why you have to push back. Because here's the deal. Let me be real clear with y'all. Mainstream media allowed Donald Trump to lie for decades. To lie about his wealth. To lie about his deal-making. To lie about his wealth, to lie about his deal making, to lie about everything. What happened? Where did he end up? He became president of the United States. See, this is what happens when you don't push back on liars, because then they can lie and people go, well, no one said anything. It must not be true.

He must be true. It must be correct. No, that can't happen. And so in this show, we are always going to call out the liars. That's why I use hashtag Trump lies matter. That's why when Candace Owens started lying, running her mouth, and when Charlie Kirk started tweeting some nonsense and lying, I'm going to call him out every time because Donald Trump is the example of what happens when you allow liars to gain a foothold. And then the lie about them becoming being successful and rich and brilliant and smart and the greatest dealmaker. Then idiots fall for it and vote for fools like that for president.

Hashtag, we tried to tell you. Alright folks, on tomorrow's show, we're going to deal with, y'all seen the viral video, I retweeted this, of the two sisters who were at a pool in Maryland, and this white dude decides to call the cops and follow them for a mile.

Well, he's apologizing, trying to defend himself on Twitter, and then he's trying to use the cover because he's gay. That ain't gonna work. We were gonna have the sister on the show today, but she couldn't do it. We're gonna try to have her on the show tomorrow.

Again, we want to hear her story as to what happened, again, when they were poolside just enjoying themselves, enjoying the pool, having some drinks. And then one of these crazy-ass white folks decided to follow them for a mile. And also a lot of people they walked by never stopped to help them while this fool was behind them. That's tomorrow right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. She's going to be on the show tomorrow.

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