#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 6.27.19 SCOTUS allows partisan gerrymandering, blocks census citizenship question; Dem Debate recap

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

6.27.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: SCOTUS allows partisan Gerrymandering and blocks the census citizenship question; Fist Democratic debate took place last night and will bring you a recap of all of the... fireworks; An Alabama woman was charged with manslaughter in the death of her unborn child; Florida cop and his crazy ass son go on a rampage against black people in a restaurant - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. today's thursday june 27 2019 coming up on roland martin unfiltered the supreme court delivers two major decisions that will have an impact on the 2020 election first of all one of them deals with partisan gerrymandering they chose to sit this one out, expect Republicans to go crazy. It's one of the most obscene and extreme partisan gerrymandering you've ever seen. The other case involves the U.S. Census. They really kicked the can down the road. Also, last night was the first of the Democratic presidential debates. 15 million folks watched it on NBC, Telemundo, and MSNBC.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Okay, we'll talk about it. In Alabama, a black woman charged with manslaughter and the death of her unborn child. But here's what's crazy. Someone shot at her, but she's being charged with manslaughter. I told y'all 11 folks out there, damn mine. And a Florida police lieutenant and his crazy-ass white son
Starting point is 00:01:29 going to rampage against black folks in a restaurant for no reason whatsoever. Yes, that's our crazy-ass white people segment for today. It's time to bring the funk. I'm Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the piss, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the find. Let's go. He's rolling, it's Uncle Roro, y'all.
Starting point is 00:02:10 It's rolling, Martin, yeah. Rolling with rolling now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best, you know he's rolling, Martin. The conservative Supreme Court 5-4 decision today that political partisan gerrymandering cases are outside the purview of federal courts. A major blow for those who try to challenge in court politically drawn district maps that are believed to be unconstitutional. Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the court's majority opinion that, well, first and foremost, he said, it's really not the court's purview to determine what really is political and what isn't. Really? Really do? That's sort of what you came up with. Again, the critical people in that case, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, two last Supreme Court justices. It was Kennedy, of course, who was there before Kavanaugh, who said he might find a way to rule
Starting point is 00:03:22 that partisan gerrymandering, but of course, he's no longer on the court. The question now is what happens next? Now, there are two other gerrymandering cases that will go before the Supreme Court. Clearly, based upon this ruling, they will likely say we don't see it in that case. And just so you can understand how deep this is, show this graphic, please, folks, that we have here. To understand this, this was after, that we have here to understand this. This was after, uh, you have the graphic ready. It was after the 2020 election. Just so you understand partisan control over 2020 is congressional redistricting. Okay. You see blue
Starting point is 00:03:58 Democrats, right? That's 11%. That's their share of districts. OK, Republican 40 percent. What is the key in this map? I want to leave it up. The key is where most black people live. It's the South, Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Georgia, North Carolina, all of those places where Republicans control the legislature. And that's the key. Now, just so you can understand why this is really a major issue. So Republicans, if Republicans are controlling the legislature, they're controlling the drawing of districts. If they are controlling the drawing of districts, then they can make it harder for them to lose. Understand the games they're even using. In Wisconsin, they use a computer algorithm to literally create congressional districts that would guarantee their victory. New York Times did a story that said,
Starting point is 00:05:07 if Democrats received 55% of all votes statewide in Wisconsin, they would still be in the minority when it came to the seats. In the North Carolina case. And here's the deal. 13 congressional districts, 10 were drawn Republican, three were drawn Democrat. One of the Republicans who was asked, how did you arrive at 10 for the Republicans and three for the Democrats. They literally said, he literally said, we couldn't figure out how to give them less than three. Well, the Supreme Court has essentially said, is if you're in control of the legislature, you can do whatever you want and draw these districts
Starting point is 00:05:58 any way you want to draw them. Joining us right now is Ashley Allison, Executive Vice President of Campaigns and Programs for the Leadership Conference Education Fund. And of course, also our panel here, we have Greg Carr, of course, Department of Afro-American Studies, the Chair of the Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University, and Lauren Victoria Burke, of course, with NNPA. I want to start with you. I want to start with you also, Kristen Clark, President and Executive Director of Lawyers Community for Civil Rights Under Law, who also
Starting point is 00:06:28 joins us. Allison, I'll start with you. Sorry, Ashley, I'm going to start with you, then I'm going to go to Christian. This is what people don't quite understand here. Republicans have always understood since Brown v. Board of Education, since the various civil rights act of the 60s, that they have to control the courts. Their anger was due to the court's decisions in the 50s and 60s. Democrats forgot how vital the courts are. By them holding that seat, blocking Obama with Neil Gorsuch, that guaranteed a five to four conservative court.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Then you bring in Kavanaugh that solidifies it, younger opinion. And so for them, this was one of the key cases. They desperately wanted a conservative Supreme Court to affirm or stop federal courts from joining into these or jumping into these gerrymandering cases. Absolutely. And I think your point about Democrats and Republicans and how they approach the court, one of the things that I always find most alarming is when Roy Moore was running for Senate, when people were being asked in Alabama why they wanted to vote for Roy Moore, they would talk about the Supreme Court. They wanted to make sure they
Starting point is 00:07:55 would secure a seat on the Supreme Court and so they would be willing to elect a pedophile. So when we have a court, and the Trump administration obviously thought that they would win in the court today on the census question also, because the census is directly related to gerrymandering. If you don't have an accurate count of how many people are actually living in this country, which is why they wanted the citizenship question on the questionnaire to have immigrants and people of color be afraid to fill it out. Then when it goes to identifying how many people should be in districts through redistricting, which happens after the census, you lose power. Christian, this is this. The gerrymandering decision is huge because essentially it allowed Republicans to do whatever they want. They can craft whatever districts they want. They can do
Starting point is 00:08:41 whatever they want. And now what it does is the only stop, the only place where you're going to stop them, basically what the Supreme Court is saying is the state Supreme Courts. Well, a lot of those are elected. And so therefore, if you've got Republicans who are drawing the lines and control the statewide, that's the case you have. Luckily in North Carolina, Democrats now control the state Supreme Court, but Republican legislature there, they desperately tried to literally strip the state Supreme Court of most of their powers and give it to a lower court where Republicans hold a majority. People need to understand that's how devious they are operating when it comes to the court system. They are trying to rig the system. No doubt today's decision is a devastating one for our democracy. And we have to remember that it's not just extreme partisan gerrymandering
Starting point is 00:09:36 that's infecting our legislative maps across the country. It's also racial gerrymandering. Lawmakers are routinely looking for ways to dilute the power of the voices of people of color. And on top of all of this, we've got to remember that this will be the first redistricting cycle that's coming up without the full protections of the Voting Rights Act, unless Congress acts now. All of this creates a perfect storm, which means that we will have a redistricting cycle in our country at every level, local level, county level, state and federal level, where we are seeing maps that harm the interest of Black people, Latinos, and other people of color, where they are know, they are packing us into districts and rigging the lines in ways that are intended to silence us. So this is an issue that we have to
Starting point is 00:10:33 speak up about now. Today's ruling issued by the court is a setback for our democracy. Tomas Lopez, executive director of Democracy North Carolina, also joins us. Tomas, how you doing? Good evening. Great to be here. It was Common Cause who actually filed a lawsuit that went all the way up to the Supreme Court. Luckily, in North Carolina, the state Supreme Court has ruled here. But this has a devastating impact for other states across the country. This is really troubling. One of the things
Starting point is 00:11:05 that's really disappointing about the decision is that Chief Justice Roberts' majority opinion actually acknowledges that partisan gerrymandering is a really bad thing. They say, I think they use the words, that it was incompatible with democratic principles. They cited another opinion to that effect. And yet at the same time, they threw their hands up. And so we do have the states as an option, and that's certainly what we're going to go and pursue. But it's a really powerful statement in the negative today to get the Supreme Court to say this. Ashley, how do folks now respond? Obviously, you have, they've given the green light, essentially now the only place to stop. So basically what they're saying is and by this decision, what they're saying is no federal court now can intervene in any partisan gerrymandering.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Well, people can respond, one, by voting. I mean, in the 2020 election, voting is going to be the most important thing. And it's not just for president, because the way these House, the state district lines are being drawn also for state legislatures. So House, the Republicans made intentional efforts over the last 10 years to flip state after state after state House to make sure that they had control to draw the lines. So people need to get to get civically engaged by voting. state after state after state house to make sure that they had control to draw the lines. So people need to get civically engaged by voting. They need to be engaged not just at the top, but all the way to the bottom of the ticket. They also need to be completing their census form. I mean, we are really disappointed that the court kicked the can or really just said, you know, Justice Kagan read her dissent in the court today because she was so disappointed that the federal court did not feel like they should be playing a role in such an important constitutional matter for our country. Kristen, again, when you so when you look at this ruling, essentially what it says is that you can't now go into federal court and go after partisan gerrymandering.
Starting point is 00:13:07 I'm not hearing christian folks we need people to understand that democracy involves more than showing up at the ballot box on election day for democracy to work we need to as allison notes we need to turn out the count in 2020 we need to make sure that all of us are counted so that we have that data to work with when we go into redistricting. Then we need people to turn out for redistricting when it's happening in their communities. At the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, we are working on a program to empower communities to engage in the next round of redistricting.
Starting point is 00:13:44 We need folks to turn out. We need them to speak up. We need them to turn up at the meetings and speak out about the ways in which the maps that are being proposed are wrong and unlawful and harm communities of color. But, you know, right now we need to understand that our power extends well beyond the ballot box on election day. Tomas, the census question also was a critical one. And essentially what the court said is that, well, we need to understand why the administration took the position they took. It's like, really? I'm sorry. You have you. You literally have evidence of the guy who helped them do this, who said we're doing this to keep them from voting. And the court goes, we need some more information.
Starting point is 00:14:35 I think one of the feelings that we have today after the census ruling is that while the court didn't do everything we wanted them to do, we are really glad that they didn't go ahead and just say, yes, this is OK. You know, I think a lot of people are reasonably feeling good that this is at least temporarily been put on hold. And I think the thing that it underscores, like Kristen said, is how much we need people to come out for an accurate count next year. We are going to have over the next couple of years a real window, a set of pivot points for our democracy. One is the census, the other is the election, and then you have the redistricting cycle that's shaped by both. And so even to the extent that people are discouraged by today's news, they don't feel great about today's news, there is an opportunity through your engagement, both in elections, but in that time between elections to potentially make a difference
Starting point is 00:15:25 that could shape the democracy for the next 10 years and beyond. Christian, look, another law committee for civil rights is a nonprofit organization, nonpartisan. But the thing is, when people need to understand, and I would dare say those who do not want to support Republicans need to understand that the right makes the federal bench a major campaign issue. Them blocking Obama appointing 100 judges. Trump has now appointed what, 143 judges, nearly all of them white, nearly most of them white males, nearly all of them very young because they want them to be there the next 30, 40, 50, potentially 60 years. And so if you care about and see all every issue that people say they care about, criminal justice reform, death penalty cases,
Starting point is 00:16:18 climate change, mass incarceration, uh, I can go down the line. Every single one of those issues has a judicial piece tied to it. It's true. It's true. He's up to 123 appointments at this stage. And you're exactly right. Most of these judges are white, overwhelmingly male, extremely radical, far outside the mainstream. And, you know, and they're keeping their foot on the gas. And McConnell is fully complicit in this scheme. I think that right now there are four things we need to be talking about when it comes to democracy. We need a fair vote. We need to put an end to voter suppression and make sure that every voice can be heard in our elections. Two, we need a fair count in the upcoming decennial census. We need everyone to understand. We need churches to mobilize. We need the barbershops. We need the hair salons. Really
Starting point is 00:17:15 getting communities of color to understand that they have to raise their hand and be counted in this upcoming census. Three, we need fair maps. We need to make sure that we turn out for this upcoming redistricting cycle and push back when lawmakers try to rig the maps in ways that silence us. And finally, we need fair courts. We need to understand it's not just the Supreme Court, that federal courts are putting in place precedents that shape our lives. These judges are literally making decisions that can be life and death for us when you talk about issues like the death penalty. Unless we speak up and bring pressure to bear, we will not get our democracy back on track.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Tomas Lopez, final comment. The big picture here is that our courts are critical, but enduring change relies on track. Tomas Lopez, final comment. The big picture here is that our courts are critical, but enduring change relies on people and relies on people taking part in the political process and all of us working to ensure that the process in which they're taking part and that their participation is actually meaningful. Ashley, final comment. Don't be disappeared. Be counted in the census. Go vote. Make your voice heard. It's all connected. Don't let Trump win. Ashley, Tomas, Kristen, we appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Thanks a lot. Thank you. We'll come back and we'll talk about this with our panel next right here at Roland Martin Unfiltered. Back in a moment. You want to check out Roland Martin Unfiltered? YouTube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. There's only one daily
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Starting point is 00:19:36 NNPA, Dr. Greg Carr, Chair, Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University. Greg, here's what's interesting. So I'm sitting here, I'm looking at YouTube and I'm looking at our message board and I got all these people here going, see, this court decision is why we need HR 40. Why we need reparations. Okay. To all y'all who keep saying that, let me try my best to explain to you why you don't understand a damn thing about civics. Whatever, if Congress even went there, is going to get challenged, which means it's going to go through the court system, which means that if the court system is filled with another 100 or 200 Trump appointees, you do know what that means, what their positions are likely going to be. So to act as if this makes no sense, you're not understanding politics. I just told you that the Supreme Court has said
Starting point is 00:20:49 that the federal courts have no role in determining partisan gerrymandering. Okay, oh foolish ones. What that means is if you want to now deal with partisan gerrymandering you must now deal with state supreme courts so when you say hr 40 what the hell does the hr stand for lauren house resolution do you know what the house is the u.sS. House. The U.S. House. So that means if you want reparations in Georgia and you want to deal with gerrymandering, Congress has nothing to do with it. Your Georgia Supreme Court is the only one now
Starting point is 00:21:40 that could rule partisan gerrymandering as being unconstitutional. That's right. As being illegal. That's right. as being unconstitutional that's right as being illegal that's right against the state constitution that's right if you're in north carolina or mississippi or alabama or tennessee or georgia if you're in north carolina if you're in south carolina if you're in florida if you're in texas if you're in ark, the federal courts are no longer the place to go to deal with gerrymandering. So I need y'all who want to just keep throwing out H.R. 40 reparations to understand. And if you don't have individuals in the legal system on the bench who might affirm that you're not going to get it. It all goes together.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And that is what is just nuts to me, Greg. While we got these in the words of my man Denzel, an American gangster, okay, and I'm going to say it, is these Simple Simon motherfuckers
Starting point is 00:22:42 who don't understand basic civics and how H.R. 40 ain't got jack to do with what happens in your state when it comes down gerrymandering. Well, they don't teach civics in high schools anymore, brother. So, you know, they're not alone. They're not alone. Our people suffer for a lack of knowledge. Every time I hear, I cringe when I hear any of our brother and sister and talk about
Starting point is 00:23:10 our democracy. We've never had a democracy. I'm encouraged by today's rulings, quite frankly. John Roberts, who has always been a joke of sorts, is trying desperately to hold on to the threadbare legitimacy of the federal bench in the Supreme Court. That's why he postponed the census question until they have an issue that is justifiable, because see, what they didn't have before them today was the right case. Exactly. And that case is now going to work its way through the courts.
Starting point is 00:23:41 The census issue involved Title III standing. I think about the Title III briefs of Omari Obadele from the Republic of New Africa. He and his brother, Gaidi Obadele, talked about the fact that African people in this country were never asked whether or not we wanted to be citizens or not between the 13th and 14th Amendment. It may seem a little out there, but what you're speaking to, Roland, is something that Minister Farrakhan addressed on Saturday night. We were all together at the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America, the NCOBR conference in Detroit. And he said, you know, they stole an election from the sister in Georgia, and they stole one
Starting point is 00:24:13 from the brother in Florida. Of course, talking about Stacey Abrams, talking about Andrew Gillum. But he said, we can control some of these states. And if we control some of these states, we've got enough great lawyers who can be judges in these states. And so when you're talking about what essentially Samuel Alito lost his mind because he couldn't figure out a way to get at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court when they knocked it precisely, 40s, 50s, and 60s, which laid the foundation for that great civil rights legislation that Jeff Sessions and Bill Barr and all these open white supremacists like this racist Mitch McConnell have bristled at trying to roll back. When I hear our friends say, you know, this is an attack on our democracy and was a blow against our democracy, I kind of laugh inside.
Starting point is 00:25:02 The United States of America isn't guaranteed to exist as a country. And when we start talking about states' rights, what we're talking about to bring all this together is when you make a decision today that you're going to turn your back on the idea of a national entity called America in favor of this open, racist gerrymandering, they say racial gerrymandering is illegal, but political gerrymandering is okay. But John Roberts, in all of his infinite wisdom, this joke, seems to have forgotten that the whole line of gerrymandered cases, Shaw versus Reno, and all the cases that come through have been founded in the idea that much of what is called a political gerrymander is really a racial gerrymander. And what had happened in North
Starting point is 00:25:40 Carolina was so blatantly racist that the lower court said that this is in fact a racial gerrymander. John Roberts thinks he did something cute today, but what he did was pull the thread on perhaps the ending of the federal policy. Let's just control some states and let this thing pass called the United States. And that's the piece, Lauren, that again, look, first of all, if Constitution is about states' rights, federal rights. Okay. So what John Roberts basically said is the federal courts have no place in determining this, which now means, okay, state Supreme Court, you're now the final decider of this.
Starting point is 00:26:19 Well, all true. I agree with it all. But you have to understand, too, that even when you have power and when you have the right people in place, you have to act on that power. And unfortunately, the Democratic Party has not figured that out yet. As we saw with Merrick Garland and Gorsuch, where you had the right people in place, you had a Democratic president, you have everybody awake. That's right. And yet, you know, because the Republicans are better at wielding power when they have it and shameless about it when they wield it. You see what's happening with Donald Trump, right? He wanted to put a question on the census. Now, keep in mind, in the Constitution, obviously, we have to count everybody. Now he's talking about delaying the
Starting point is 00:26:58 census over this. It's shameless. It's gangster. It's right out in front. Right. And you still have the Democrats. Right. And that's unconstitutional. You have the Democrats trying to figure out whether or not they want to bring up impeachment, not trying to figure out basically whether or not they want to wield power. So at some point, because they're starting to get extrajudicial. Yes. Right. So we are in a space where even we have the right people in place. If you don't wield that power, none of that matters all right so so the democratic party needs to fight fire with fire uh do you like today's supreme court ruling yes uh i have sort of mixed opinions but essentially i agree everything uh
Starting point is 00:27:37 brother greg said i mean this is just this racial gerrymandering. I think on the census question particularly, you know, the court kicked it back to the lower courts, right? It's a murky decision. And he, I love how he phrased it, he thought it was doing something cute, but he kicks it back to the courts, to the lower courts. He says, I agree with certain parts. I disagree with other parts. And so here we left. Furthermore, this administration said he's going to delay the census. Our president doesn't know the constitution. He doesn't understand civics to your point. So nor does he care for the most part. So he can't do that. So this, the Supreme Court decisions today, I think leaves, continues to leave our country on a silk thread. We say he can't do that. They stole a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court already. Two. What makes
Starting point is 00:28:26 us think that they wouldn't try delaying the census? And this is the thing that, and again, I'm purposely trying to walk a lot of you through this so you understand, because I keep saying on this show, we have to connect the dots.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Yes, sir. What you have to connect the dots. Yes, sir. What you have to understand is that, guys, can you pull that map back up? If you can't, I'll pull it up out here. But let me know if you can pull that map up. The reason this map is important, the reason it's important for you to understand this, because this is where black people are. That's right, brother. Follow me here folks when we talk about gerrymandering and again you're not going to have folks explain this to you on these cable
Starting point is 00:29:13 networks because they don't want to do that whoever controls the legislature draws not just congressional districts, but the state districts. They draw state Senate districts, state representative districts, which means that what they'll do is they will draw the state districts in their favor so they can maintain control, which is why Republicans have a super majority in Florida. Democrats can't do jack. They used to have a super majority in North Carolina until the last election. Democrats were able to convince these white folks like, yo, y'all getting screwed too. They've got super majorities in a number of places. What does that mean? That means they could pass whatever they want. Democrats can't do jet,
Starting point is 00:30:11 they can yell, scream, do whatever. So the gerrymandering thing, folks, ain't about Congress. It's really about the state seats. So if you were able to draw competitive state seats, you're likely not to see whether they are red or blue, Democrat or Republican. You're likely not to see one party ruling the legislature. That's the difference. And so this is critically important for people to understand that for all you simple Simons who sit your asses at home, who don't vote, but bitch about issues. If you don't vote for your state rep and you don't vote for your state senator, those are the people who are drawing the districts, not the members of Congress. The state representative and the state senator is drawing the very district, the member of Congress. The member of Congress has no power whatsoever in the drawing of their own congressional district. That's right. Right, which is why it's particularly dangerous that we have a political party that's entertaining Russia,
Starting point is 00:31:23 infiltrating our elections and having no problem with that and starting to now get into the business of being okay with election interference on that micro level. We don't even know about the details in Florida because they won't tell us. But also again, for you simple Simon ass people Simon-ass people who really get on my nerves when it comes to this stuff. What you have to understand is not just even a question of who is now drawing the districts. It now then goes to what Republicans are doing. And again, you can be a Republican. That's fine with me, but prove to me I'm wrong when in Michigan
Starting point is 00:32:08 the voters put it on the ballot. A state amendment. A ballot initiative for there to be an independent commission to draw the districts, and Republicans say,
Starting point is 00:32:24 ah, we're going to ignore that. Right. Because they risk it right here. We're going to ignore it. We're going to ignore it. I mean, you keep referring to the simple Simons, right? Fundamentally, this issue of states' rights goes back to the very founding of our country, right? When we think about civil rights, excuse me, when we think about the Civil War, all the way up to the Dixiecrats, right?
Starting point is 00:32:44 It's always been this control of the states, right? Because they want to control slavery. They want to control slavery. And to this day, they still want to control us, right? So we have to be very clear on what they're doing. This is a issue. This is historical. This has been since the beginning of time, right? So it's really history is just repeating itself and it looks differently. And to your point is that we have to be educated enough and Democrats have to be equally sly and political about gaining control and focusing on the Supreme Court and the court system. Yeah, because it's a great, great, great, but I got, I got to go great in a thing, which you made a great point about in terms of, from the beginning, federal rights and states' rights. This is also why, again, y'all want to, if you support reparations, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:33:35 But here's what you need to also be understanding, Greg, and let's speak to this. When you talk about that whole states' rights piece, that very issue goes specifically to this. When you talk about that whole states rights piece, that very issue goes specifically to slavery. What that was about was we are not going to let the federal folks tell us what to do. Now, now, now, now let's, let's go forward. Dred Scott decision, that was Supreme Court. Absolutely. You go forward to the Civil Rights Act of 1875, the Supreme Court, eight to one decision, invalidates that. That's right.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And, but then says, y'all who ain't read a damn thing, Supreme Court literally said, Congress could not, does not have the power to end segregation. That's right. Because they said it was a state rights. That's right. Now we go through 92 years of Jim Crow.
Starting point is 00:34:35 States can do whatever the hell they want to do. When it comes to education, when it comes to busing, when it comes to everything, how does it get dismantled? Lawsuits, federal court, black folks go, no, no, no. If trailways goes from Georgia into Florida, interstate commerce. Ah, then it changes. Then conservatives say, damn, now they got us. And if y'all understand the system, it was because of Brown v. Board of Education. First of all, there were two, Brown 1 and Brown 2. Because of those Civil Rights Act, when you had the creation of all of these right-wing think tanks. Oh, absolutely. right wing think tanks oh absolutely yeah and the creation greg was solely to how do we ensure
Starting point is 00:35:28 the courts never do this again absolutely well roland you've you've just laid out the road map for how we beat this we've got to be smart and to be smart we have to study this isn't about hashtags or social media or disruptive technology or making the right movie or hitting the heartstrings you see there's never been a united states of america anybody who says that there has been i know you got digital platform now let's just lay it out for hour upon hour i dare anybody to show me where there has been but there's been as a settler state that has extended itself over a continent. And slavery was a compromise made between those areas in that settler state that didn't need it, that didn't need it directly, and those that did. That's where the Electoral College came from. Dred Scott was never completely
Starting point is 00:36:15 overturned in the legal sense because Roger Taney created a notion of national and state-based identity. He says a citizen is a citizen of the state they're in and of the United States, as if there's something different. That's how he was able to create basically a federal blackness. But the Brown decision really turns on foreign policy. America couldn't keep doing what it was doing to black people as it was attempting to go out there and colonize the world in the wake of World War II. So what you have is a certain arbitrariness in federal court decisions.
Starting point is 00:36:43 That's why dissents are important. Just like they talked about Justice Harlan's dissent in Plessy in the Brown case, the dissents that we see today, the one that Kagan read from the bench, for example, if the politics changes, that will become the majority, that will become law. And that's why we have to understand that we're looking at the legal universe, the American legal universe, as if it's mathematics. It's not math. This is politics. So you can't follow it from 1787 when they ratified the federal constitution to 2019
Starting point is 00:37:09 like these things make sense. They don't make sense. This is a racial gerrymander that they had the votes to overturn, so they decided to do it. But don't try to make this make sense in the wake of what has happened before. You just keep participating, and when you bang on them enough, you will be able to reverse this. But quit acting like you live in a country where they has happened before. You just keep participating, and when you bang on them enough,
Starting point is 00:37:25 you will be able to reverse this. But quit acting like you live in a country where they give a damn. Mitch McConnell's a white supremacist, and Russians, and anybody else that will get him to his goal, he'll take it. Well, first of all, the Russians are also white supremacists. No question. And here's the piece here, Lauren.
Starting point is 00:37:38 When you talk about fighting, now, and I'm reading some of y'all comments. Y'all are like, oh Roe's trying to get us to vote Democrat. No, I'm trying to get you to vote common damn sense. Why did you say that? Please, Roe. I'm trying to get you to vote issue. This is very simple. This is real simple for me.
Starting point is 00:37:56 This is real simple. If I support civil rights and Professor Driscoll don't support civil rights, I don't support civil rights, I don't give a damn what the letter is. I support civil rights.
Starting point is 00:38:11 So I'm going to ask the question, do you support civil rights? If the person says no, I ain't voting for your ass. This ain't hard. Now, if it happened to me, more Democrats who support civil rights and more Republicans who don't support civil rights, who the hell you think I'm going to vote for? The ones who support civil rights.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Let me make this point, because you today, with this immigration bill that just passed the Senate, who do we see that voted no against that bill when it first came on the floor in the House? It was Ocasio-Cortez. It was Ayanna Pressley. It was Ilhan Omar. And it was Rashida Tlaib. Now, they are Democrats. But what they said is, you can't just give money to Donald Trump. He's not going to spend it for the children.
Starting point is 00:38:51 You've got to take these D's and R's off. What is your interest? And look, look, Democrats, Lauren, passed an election bill today. Yes. 184 people voted against it. How many of those were Republican? Yeah. All of them?
Starting point is 00:39:09 Right. Only one Republican. Come on. Out of Florida, whose district the Russians access voted for paper ballots. Right. Now, again, I'm going to say this again for you simple Simon motherfuckers. Because I'm tired of this. Unfiltered.
Starting point is 00:39:28 I'm tired of y'all. I'm tired of y'all with this silly ass, oh, who ain't done this with an agenda? Let me explain it again because y'all are clueless. Donald Trump put on the federal bench for life a white woman who is 35 years old. From Georgia. She graduated law school 11 years ago. That woman has a federal appointment for life. He appointed a white man in his 30s who has never in his life filed a legal brief. Let me unpack that again. This man has never filed a legal brief. Do you know how basic a legal brief is for lawyers? That man is now on the federal bench for life. So if y'all simple signings really
Starting point is 00:40:41 want to sit here and play around with Donald Trump potentially being here for four more years. Let me unpack it one last time before I go to Lauren. The woman who's 35. What did I tell y'all? 2043,
Starting point is 00:41:02 America will be a nation majority people of color. Did I tell y'all that? Okay. That's 24 years from now. Do the math. She's 35. Plus 24, that means she'll be 59.
Starting point is 00:41:23 Let me help y'all further. Judge Damon Keith, phenomenal judge, just died. He was 96. Let's say she lived until she's 96. That means that when America becomes a nation majority people of color that white far right-wing woman will be on the federal bitch another 37 years but some of y'all want to see them play games when it comes to voting Lauren yeah well the Republicans again on, this version of the Republican Party understands what power and control is.
Starting point is 00:42:14 And this is by design. Yeah, and they're willing to do anything to control the game. And they're going to massively resist. I mean, when you see an administration be in contempt of Congress and tell their people not to talk to anybody with no shame, they're now crossing over into a- Ignore subpoena. Right. I mean, like the law doesn't mean anything. Ignore subpoena. We don't care. Once we arrive at the tipping point where they start to realize that they're outnumbered and
Starting point is 00:42:37 you saw, you know, this entire presidency with Donald Trump has been about, effectively has been about race. I mean, he said it before he even entered office and now he's you know he's he's trying to implement policy to marginalize the largest uh the largest minority group i am just it it and again i'm great people don't understand i ain't dissing reparations no i'm not dissing you demanding stuff from democrats i'm not dissing you demanding stuff from Democrats. I'm not dissing the demanding of a black agenda. But what I am doing is thinking a hell of a lot bitter, bigger than some of you small minded as people. What I'm saying is, Greg, we can't say, oh, we we care about civil rights we care about this while they over here putting people in power who will rule against every single one of those things and
Starting point is 00:43:34 what they don't understand is the politician might get voted out that legal ruling is law that's right it's precedent That's right. It's precedent. That's right. And the courts are low to overturn precedent. That's right. All right. That's why I'm like, y'all, this thing is way bigger. It starts, though, with that election of getting that person in, just like you said before.
Starting point is 00:43:58 That's right. But I'm telling you, the Democratic Party needs to understand that they need to wield power in a different way. Which is why, and again, a whole bunch of y'all still mad at me for calling Obama out for appointing Mary Garland. And I don't give a damn what y'all think. He should have picked a black woman because you know why? He should have created the damn tension. The tension of a historic appointment of a black woman right first in history in the leo sears see y'all don't understand what in the
Starting point is 00:44:32 history of america this is what mayor got 109 people served on the supreme. 104 were white men. Had Obama picked a sister, in my estimation, Professor Driscoll, my estimation, the tension would have been old white men not even meeting with his sister. We would have seen, what,
Starting point is 00:44:58 1992 over again. That would have been, you would have had months of, what the hell are y'all doing? And the reveal was he was trying to accommodate Mitch McConnell. And Orrin Hatch. And Orrin Hatch.
Starting point is 00:45:08 And his work. And McConnell. And said this isn't good enough. And I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe, I believe it would have further pissed off sisters. Sure. It would have pissed off black men. Sure.
Starting point is 00:45:21 It would have pissed off women. And you would have had brown people how y'all not even gonna interview right the first black woman appointed right i believe that would have played a huge role in his last turn and god sent you manna from heaven right when he the lord and i'm invoking the lord the lord said president obama paul ryan's sister-in-law come on he's a black woman all right who you already appoint to the federal bench right yo do you understand how perfect right but the sister-in-law to the republican speaker of the house could have been appointed to the supreme court and he would have had to go do i say my sister-in-law, who's already a federal judge, shouldn't get a meeting?
Starting point is 00:46:27 It was it. No, he picked the old white guy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Because Barack Obama believes in America. Didn't want to play hardball.
Starting point is 00:46:39 Right. Right. Exactly. That's not his character. Exactly. You see, and that's one of the reasons why I am encouraged about this political time. What I'm saying is that you know, since there has never
Starting point is 00:46:50 really been an American concept, these Negroes who think that somehow they can appeal to somebody's conscience or sense of national interest. And Barack Obama, it wasn't his character. It's not his temperament. He can't ball his fist up. And so he did what his temperament led him to believe he should do. And he didn't
Starting point is 00:47:05 miscalculate on who Mitch McConnell and them were. He's willing to risk it all, which in this case includes us as hostages in his worldview. But let's be very clear about this, because a lot of people talk about reparations. Now, I'm glad we're talking about it, but they don't understand the history of reparations. They don't even understand the political strategies of reparations. One of the reasons why the five-state articulation was made by Mario Odelli, the Republic of New Africa, New African People's Organization, was that reparations isn't about asking somebody for anything. Reparations is about out of a position of strength making a demand.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Now, once you have political control over some states, Mississippi, Alabama, almost majority people of African descent now in Mississippi, if you seize political control, and mind you, these are Gulf Coast states. They got ports in Mobile, New Orleans. Once you do that, reparations becomes feasible in part because the federal government is going to have to make a decision. Do you want these people to exercise control over their lives locally? And let me just say this very quickly. As long as Alabama, I know the story, you know, the sister who got shot and then her baby died. They're going to charge her.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Alabama wants to be a Jim Crow state. Yes. Y'all stop playing football for the University of Alabama. Watch how fast they start changing these laws. There you go. We have to now. There are other SEC schools to go to. That is exactly right.
Starting point is 00:48:15 We have to now be smart. And Barack Obama, God bless him, as brilliant as he was, as his terms of his capability, his lack of courage. And, yes, the man did not have a lack of courage. I mean, man had a lack of courage. And yes, the man did not have a lack of courage. I mean, man had a lack of courage. His lack of courage cost black people in this country. So we have to hold him to account for what he did. That was just not only a missed opportunity, but that opportunity is going to come back around again. And we got to stop acting like, oh, this was a tragedy. Stop all that victim language and seize the political control of your life.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Y'all, this is about power. Hold on a second. This is about power. Last night, of course, the first 10 Democrats had their debate. And here's a roundup of what they talked about last night. So, yes, I'm with Bernie on Medicare for all. And let me tell you why. I've spent a big chunk of my life studying why families go broke. And one of the number one reasons is the cost of health care, medical bills. And that's not just for people who don't have insurance.
Starting point is 00:49:08 It's for people who have insurance. Look at the business model of an insurance company. It's to bring in as many dollars as they can in premiums and to pay out as few dollars as possible for your health care. That leaves families with rising premiums, rising co-pays, and fighting with insurance companies to try to get the health care that their doctors say that they and their children need. Medicare for all solves that problem. And I understand there are a lot of politicians who say, oh, it's just not possible, we just can't do it, have a lot of political reasons for this. What they're really telling you is they just won't fight for it.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Well, healthcare is a basic human right, and I will fight for basic human rights. Thank you. I'm going to use 20 of my seconds just to say there's one thing we don't all agree with when it comes to guns, and I think it's common sense, and over 70% of Americans agree with me. If you need a license to drive a car, you should need a license to buy and own a firearm. And not everybody in this field agrees with that, but in states like Connecticut that did that, they saw 40% drops in gun violence and 15% drops in suicides. We need to start having bold agendas on guns. When it comes to the Supreme Court, very clearly, we, I agree with my friend, Secretary Castro,
Starting point is 00:50:28 we are going to get to 50 votes in the Senate. This is a team sport. Whoever is our nominee needs to campaign in places like South Carolina because we can elect Jamie Harrison. They need to campaign in places like Iowa because we can win a Senate seat there. This is about getting us back to having 50 votes in the Senate and more, so that we can not only balance the Supreme Court,
Starting point is 00:50:52 but start to pass an aggressive agenda that, frankly, isn't so aggressive because most of America agrees with the policy objectives of our party. We will treat each person with the respect and dignity they deserve as humans. Vamos a tratar cada persona con el respeto y dignidad que merecen como humanos. No volveríamos a Valeria y su padre Oscar. Los aceptaríamos en este país y seguiríamos nuestras propias leyes de asilo. No construiríamos paredes, no pondríamos niños en cajas. De hecho, no despediríamos de reunir las familias que ya se separaron. Y no criminalizaríamos a ninguna familia que se lea violencia y persecución. to reunite the families that have been separated already. And we would not criminally prosecute any family
Starting point is 00:51:26 who is fleeing violence and persecution. We would make sure... Secretary, let him finish, and I will give you... But let him finish. Let him finish. Yes. We would not detain any family fleeing violence, in fact, fleeing the deadliest countries on the face of the planet today.
Starting point is 00:51:42 We would implement a family case management program so they could be cared for in the community at a fraction of the cost. And then we would rewrite our immigration laws in our own image, free dreamers forever from any fear of deportation by making them U.S. citizens here in this country, invest in solutions in Central America work. OK, I can't play no more of that. I can't play no more of that. And here's why. I just want y'all to understand something, okay? I know. Look, my staff, I appreciate y'all. They put together a nice five-and-a-half-minute roundup.
Starting point is 00:52:11 That's too damn long, okay? It's going to be a debate tonight. Hell, it's going to be another debate in two weeks. Then they're going to have another debate every single month between now and, I think, April, okay? So let me also, just so y'all understand, I put this tweet out, this is and again look i know 15 million people saw a debate last night i appreciate that i understand but i need i need to
Starting point is 00:52:32 show y'all this because you you need to understand how this stuff must stay in perspective in terms in terms of what's going on uh and uh i'm looking for it was tweet. And here it is. Okay, go to my iPad, please. This was a tweet that was sent out by this. And it says polling at this point in the GOP race in 2015. Jeb Bush, 22%, Scott Walker, 17, Marco Rubio, 14, Ben Carson is 11, Mike Huckabee, 9, Rand Paul, 7, Rick Perry, 5. Ted Cruz, 4. Chris Christie, 4. Carly Fiorina, 2.
Starting point is 00:53:08 Donald Trump, 1%. Do y'all understand? What I'm trying to explain to you is a whole lot of stuff is going to change. I could pull up polling numbers from 2007 at this point showing Barack Obama down 25-plus points to Hillary Clinton. I'm just letting y'all know right a lot's going to change between now and january most of these folks are going to be dropping out okay people down there one percent de blasio he ain't gonna be there delaney he ain't gonna be there swan will he ain't gonna be there all the people gonna be gone just let y'all know that okay look and there's some nice people but they ain't gonna make it so we ain't about to spend a whole lot of time going over one debate when it's going to be 18 more between now and january but lauren i want
Starting point is 00:53:54 to go to you this is the thing that i so i did see last night which i think has to continue because i think this is where the democrat electorate is you have to also understand the animal you're running against this ain't time for love in words in fact Erica Alexander I'm pulling up I'm just gonna play it for y'all remember y'all played before she broke down where we are Democrats have to assume a fighting posture yeah all this bullshit of joe biden oh no i'll be able to work with them once trump gone they no no no this is called when we take over that's right yeah we about to take over this means that if we take control of the senate y'all ain't we we about to run a we about to run a a train it's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be a speed train i'm just saying i'm saying it's one of the they they have to assume a fighting
Starting point is 00:55:00 posture it's one of the reasons why paying attention to these 20 people, though tedious at this point, it does matter because you do have to figure out which one of these 20 people can get on the stage with Donald Trump and at least equal him in speed and ferocity to a point where they can win the election. Right. And you see Biden, of course, trying to appeal to some of the Trump voters. You saw Delaney last night try the same thing, sort of comical. And of course, Ryan from Ohio. And to me, I'm just looking at the people who I think can take on Donald Trump, which actually ends up being Warren and de Blasio and people who can get out there and really match him.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Because if Trump stays in that White House another four years, we got a huge, huge problem. Because first of all, he's going to be, y'all think this unfiltered. Greg, I want to go to you and I'm going to go to Professor Driscoll. Here's the piece, Dr. Carr, that I think is critically important when you talk about fighting. It's not that I'm going to get in the gutter with trump but what it is is i'm gonna stand on the edge of that gutter gutter and kick your ass in the head no question ain't gonna get down there see i i think other democrats go um i don't even just want to go no i want to like all that when you go low
Starting point is 00:56:19 when you when you when you in a fight right right right and if there's a tie iron sitting right here but no we should punch with our hands no no i want to knock your ass out i'm gonna grab a tie iron a two by four i'm gonna grab a pipe anything to end this fight that's how republicans play oh no question and donald trump is the worst kind of human being he's deeply insecure That's how Republicans play. Oh, no question. And Donald Trump is the worst kind of human being. He's deeply insecure. He's a racist. He's a sexist, which is why an Elizabeth Warren just gets under his skin in a visceral way. Right now. And what she did by leading out yesterday, although she kind of faded an hour to where she didn't jump in as much. Her opening statement almost folded in just about every note you want to hear. The non-white populations, the attacking the corporations. And she not only matches Trump, she exceeds him.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Her mere presence offends him. He hates women. And when she opens her mouth, she's a college professor. So unlike Bernie Sanders, who I think also kind of rankles him, but Elizabeth Warren, he has no answer for Elizabeth Warren a Warren Booker ticket for example I think he can beat Warren I think that's just I think you saw how Jeff Sessions was pissed with Harris fundamentally I think going up against a woman of color, that's true. Would. Yeah, it would irritate Trump to no end. It's true. And I think Senator Harris could not only hold her own. She's articulate. She's smart. She knows the issues. She was a prosecutor.
Starting point is 00:58:01 Right. So she can obviously appeal to that middle America because she has some, maybe some issues in her background that she might have to clear a bit. Yeah, I'm not sold on Kamala Harris. But I do fundamentally think that she could go up against Trump because that's what he's going to need. I agree with that. That's what he's going to need. But also, I also, I think, and this is the thing that also, Lauren, I heard Congressman Tim Ryan with Stephanie Rule on MSNBC today. Yeah. And look, Ryan's a nice guy.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Yeah. I've talked to him many times. Yeah. We've texted. We've talked. Yeah. And Ryan's telling her about our messages, motto, we need this, we need that. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:37 And I'm like, but you ain't done it. Right. Right. I've said to him directly, do it. Like, what the hell are you waiting on? Right. Do it. Right. I've said to him directly, do it. Like, what the hell are you waiting on? Do it. Right. And it's like, no, this whole deal.
Starting point is 00:58:50 And I'm going, no, no, no. I think also what this thing requires, and I've said this directly to Senator Bernie Sanders, and Warren's doing it. Right. It's also going to require a Democratic candidate to go to white folks and say, you know, y'all ass is broke. Well, see, see, that's what it right, right. The RFK spirit. But see, the other thing, too, is it's going to require Obama level turnout. So inherently, your top of ticket or bottom of ticket is going to probably be a person of color and frankly, a black person. It's got to be energy and it's got to overtake all the suppression.
Starting point is 00:59:27 So the level of turnout's got to overtake the suppression issue. But also, you're going to have to have somebody out, and this is why Joe Biden, I think, is not going to be the nominee. You have got to have somebody who is fearless, who is smart, and who is fast out there, and who is willing to get, I frankly think, in the gutter with Donald Trump. Yes. I mean, I'm not saying you want that.
Starting point is 00:59:48 I ain't got it. OK, what I'm saying is, if this is the gutter, I'm saying, I'm saying, if this is the gutter, I ain't getting down there. I'm going to do it. I ain't getting down there. But I'm going to get down there. I'm going to punch the end of the gun. That's what it is. You think a woman ticket could win? I don't think a completely woman ticket could win. I'm not a believer that you need a white male on that
Starting point is 01:00:15 ticket. Hold on. I'm the same way. I do not believe you need a white male. Again, let's remember I believe that with a white male. Right. Because, again, I think what you... Let's remember, Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. Right, right. Let's just go there. The problem was Hillary Clinton, who wasn't a candidate, still got more than 3 million. Two, two, two would happen.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Two would happen. Good point. Is that Robbie Mook ran a shitty campaign. Exactly. They were stuck in their iPads right they they didn't understand what happened on the ground in michigan and wisconsin pennsylvania right they pour all that money in ohio where they got their ass waxed by 450,000 but y'all when you lose by 450,000 votes whatever polling your ass was doing, those people should never work in politics again. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:01:07 So I think, so this whole notion of American woman elected woman president, will there be men who would have a full woman? Yes. But the difference is, and I've said it, because I thought she should have run in 2016. I think we're seeing it. And I'm telling y'all, the difference with Warren, he would try to hit us, hit her with Pocahontas. But the difference of Warren is she will look him in the eye and she say, I've been fighting men just like you, my wife. See, you can see. That's true. And remember that Warren. Biden is going to, you know, this whole congenial.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Biden is going to sell. I'm a white guy, and so I should go up against this other white guy, and I should appeal to Trump voters. He's going to sell that. But the problem is, of course, if you remember, Sanders, Bernie Sanders, was polling over Trump. Warren is basically a female version of Sanders, but she's a lot
Starting point is 01:02:00 sharper and quicker than he is. And I think, frankly, a little bit more of a I think she's more incisive in her attacks and in her in her way of just sort of presenting during a debate so I think Trump is gonna have a problem with you so here's the smart right so tonight tonight we'll see what happens tonight of course you're gonna have Biden on stage Sanders on stage concerned Kamala Harris on stage you're gonna have Williamson biden on stage santa's on stage senator kamala harris on stage uh you're
Starting point is 01:02:25 going to have williamson and yang on stage all right i just but again i just think i just think where folks are now this is really uh and and some of y'all i'm serious i don't understand i ain't playing uh y'all understand't understand. We ain't playing games here. This is not about the next three or four years. That's right. Yeah. Y'all need to understand. Take some time. Literally. I need y'all to understand why I use Trump Lives Matter, why I use We Tried to Tell You the hashtag, why I hold this man in contempt, why you do not hear me ever refer to him as president or Mr. Because he does not deserve those titles because he has no respect.
Starting point is 01:03:10 I'm trying to get you to understand that what we are dealing with literally, literally is the future of the country. Yep. Right. What we're dealing with ain't the next four years no it's literally literally right the next 25 to 50 i will be 74 in the year 2043. inshallah you make it black man ain't guaranteed i'm just like y'all know right now my dad is 72. come on i'll be 73. do you actually think i want to see an America that's now a majority of people of color and the Republicans have locked in power for the next century? Again, they say they're not Republican, Democrat. This is about issues. This is about the planet.
Starting point is 01:04:02 It's about power. This is about education. This is about power. This is about civil rights. That's right power. This is about education. Fundamentally, it's about power. This is about civil rights. That's right. I can go down the whole line. Inslee made the point. This is about climate change.
Starting point is 01:04:10 This is going to destroy the planet. Seriously. And folks are sitting there running around thinking like, oh, you know, okay, I hear you. But this really ain't important. No, no. I'm not playing that game. If you live in Miami, if you live in New York City, and Little Haiti in Miami for example, now they realize that's prime
Starting point is 01:04:28 real estate because as the water rises, it's on high ground. Now you see them getting literally pushed out of their neighborhood because they need that property. What I'm saying is, so when these right-wingers sold out to these corporations, when you see them basically erasing regulations,
Starting point is 01:04:44 they're going to make it so that if you don't have any money in this country, you're going to die. In New Orleans, you're not going to be alive. Do you understand it's going to be underwater? I mean, please, I'm glad you're making this point, Mo. You've got to keep hitting that. And Kamala Harris, if Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren on a ticket together could be, you're right, she'll get in the gutter, but Kamala ain't going to get in the gutter and be nasty. She's going to get in the gutter with shade. And you're right she'll get in the gutter but cameron gonna get in
Starting point is 01:05:05 the gutter and be nasty she gonna get in the gutter with shade and you're right there is a hatred there but we're not playing for four years you're absolutely right we're playing for the future of basically human life you gotta fight uh and so here's the deal y'all i know we have some other stories i'll get those tomorrow uh but i'm gonna end the show this was the interview that i did with erica alexander Y'all remember her from Living Color. She's now on Black Lightning and I did an interview with her along with Bewoke Vote and I want y'all to listen to the
Starting point is 01:05:32 end of what she said here because this is really where I am and this is where y'all need to be as well. You're either going to help run it or they're going to run it for you. In order to get anything done in this world we have to work with the system that's there. And you have to have the courage of your predictions. You may despise me. You may not understand my choice, but at least you can
Starting point is 01:05:51 respect that I stood in it. If you are outside the mainstream, nobody can push you aside any further. Life makes you jaded and it hurts you and it's painful. And we've had a lot of pain in this country. Trump can show up and say anything and And they can just go, oh, yeah. The African-American community was great to us. They didn't vote. You know, he just called you stupid. Did you hear that? Oh, oh, oh, but he's for us.
Starting point is 01:06:13 Really? And they were just regurgitating the things that they had heard on a radio or in the barbershop or something somebody had told them. They hadn't thought about it. Democracy is endangered because people don't know how to think. I'm done we try to convince people you try to vote for their you know for their for their life you have to run for your life i'm gonna go try to get people who are open to it and lead them i'm telling her fuck old fight
Starting point is 01:06:36 that's it that's it now look. Now, let me go ahead. I know some of y'all probably say, you know, damn, Ro, I ain't never heard you cuss this much. Let me. This actually happens. A number of years ago, Nightline, Ice-T was on Nightline with Ted Koppel and Dr. Alvin Poussaint. And so they were sitting on the show, and they were talking about lyrics and stuff like that. And so Ted Koppel goes,. Alvin Poussaint. And so they sit on the show, and they're talking about lyrics and stuff like that. And so Ted Koppel goes, you know, IHT, you know, what is it about, you know, the language.
Starting point is 01:07:13 And IHT says, Ted, y'all understand, if I could get this clip, matter of fact, I'm going to send an email to somebody at ABC, I need to get just this clip. IHT said, Ted, you need to understand something he said black people cuss for emphasis he said for instance white people will say johnny put down that knife black people johnny put down that goddamn knife he said it creates a whole different tone. Ted Copper goes, Dr. Poussaint, your thoughts on what I still had to say.
Starting point is 01:07:58 Alvin Poussaint, Harvard professor, all degrees, goes, well, Ted, I still have a point. So sometimes when you hear Erica say, fuck hope, come on, fight. Come on. That's three words. There it is, brother. That three words right there sums it all up. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. All right, y'all.
Starting point is 01:08:15 We'll watch the debate tonight. There'll be about 30 more of them, so we'll see what happens tonight. Here's the deal, y'all. Ain't no other place. No. There's no other place that's going to have this, the kind of realness with this conversation we had today.
Starting point is 01:08:29 So this is what I need y'all to do. I'm just going to be straight up. We cannot do this without you. Okay? We cannot survive on advertising alone. We need you to become members of our Bring the Funk fan club. Your support makes this possible. Your support allows us to be free.
Starting point is 01:08:50 I'm already planning, once these cannons whittle down, we're gonna have post-debate analysis. Y'all ain't got to watch all that nonsense when you don't see any black people except one person on CNN or MSNBC or Fox News. But see, here's the piece. We can't do none of that if this don't exist we have to create it so what i want if again if 20 000 just break it
Starting point is 01:09:16 if 20 000 of our followers that's it 20 contributed, $50 each for the whole year. Show's paid for for a whole year. Staff, cameras, everybody, our travel, all paid for for a whole year. That's why we need you. Now, a lot of y'all been freeloading. Y'all be like, oh, I love the show. But I'm trying to tell y'all right now. And here's the piece here.
Starting point is 01:09:44 This ain't TV One where Alfred Lick has made a decision to cancel it. This ain't CNN where they chose not to give me my own show in 2009. This is not MSNBC, where even the folks who got black shows over there won't invite me on. Come on now. So there's no person who can cancel this show but me the only way this show gets canceled if we simply don't have the dollars to make the show possible and so we need your support we need you go to roller Martin unfiltered calm join our fan club and again every single one of you can make this possible yeah 20,000 we got about 2,500 folks members our fan club club. Literally, another 18,500.
Starting point is 01:10:26 Come on. We literally don't have to raise another advertising dollar. That means that we don't have to have, not a single company has to sponsor us, and this show will be paid for, and we will do 235 to 240 one-hour shows every day. We'll take off the last two weeks of the year, and we're in business. So we want you. I know you've got to go with different emphasis. Just tonight, there's nobody that's going to cover the Supreme Court like you did.
Starting point is 01:10:55 The connections you have, the people who are on Skype, you had your brother coming from North Carolina, there's nowhere showing that. 20,000 people, that's nothing, man. Let's just get this done. I mean, I'm a contributor. I need to go and contribute. I mean, an annual contributor.
Starting point is 01:11:10 I mean, that comes in every year. Let's do this. This is not that hard. And they're going to cry if it disappears because this is the most crucial time for this thing. Absolutely. And so, folks, go to rollerblockdownfilter.com. Join our Bring the Funk fan club. And we certainly appreciate it. And, of course, don't RollerMarketUnfiltered.com, join our Bring the Funk fan club, and we certainly appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:11:27 And, of course, don't forget you also get your code, discounts to books on the website. And then we'll soon have my pocket squares and other items on the site as well, items for sale. All of that's right here, RollerMarketUnfiltered.com. All right? Make it happen. Folks, I got to go. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Holla!
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