#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 6.5 #RMU: Black jobless rate spikes; Rights orgs sue Trump; Sen. Paul blocks anti-lynching bill

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

6.5.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Black jobless rate spikes; Rights orgs sue Trump Admin on behalf of #BlackLivesMatter; Sen. Paul blocks anti-lynching bill; #AhmaudArbery's killers will stand trial for... murder; Mayor of Someville, Massachusetts says that systemic racism is a public safety and health emergency; Owner of a well known boutique was destroyed in Detroit speaks out; Victim in vicious Chicago police attack shares her story; Buckle up ... Roland has some words for Candace Owens + Comedian Broderick Rice joins us for Wildin Out Friday. Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered Partner: Ceek Be the first to own the world's first 4D, 360 Audio Headphones and mobile VR Headset. Check it out on www.ceek.com and use the promo code RMVIP2020 - The Roland S. Martin YouTube channel is a news reporting site covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Today's Friday, June 5th, 2020. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, job numbers are out. Donald Trump is ecstatic. Oh, but we go inside the numbers, and it's nothing to celebrate for black folks.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Civil rights groups are suing the Trump administration on behalf of Black Lives Matter. We'll talk to Christian Clark, Laws Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Why is Senator Rand Paul holding up an anti-lynching bill that Senator Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, as well as Senator Tim Scott are sponsoring? Harris and Booker are upset. Why is Scott so quiet? A Georgia judge ruled that the three men charged with Ahmaud Arbery's death will stand trial for murder. Also, the mayor of Somerville, Massachusetts,
Starting point is 00:01:45 says that systemic racism is a public safety and health emergency. In Detroit, actually in Dallas, a well-known boutique was destroyed in the riots there. We'll talk with the owner. Also, Buffalo police, two officers, resigned because, yeah, yeah, after they were suspended for pushing a 75-year-old man during the protest who hit his head and began to bleed out his ear. Also, Mayor Muriel Bowser of D.C., oh, she has a big statement about Black Lives Matter for Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:02:18 And, of course, that grifter Candace Owens, people keep saying we should ignore her. But Vice President Mike Pence invited her to the White House yesterday. I'll explain why you should never ignore grifters like her. It's time to bring the funk on Roller Mark Unfiltered. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the mess, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine.
Starting point is 00:02:37 And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling. Best belief he's knowing. Putting it down from small to big. He's got it. Got the scoop, the fact, the fine. And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling. Best belief he's knowing. Putting it down from sports to news to politics. With entertainment just for kicks.
Starting point is 00:02:53 He's rolling. It's on, go, go, go, yo. It's rolling, Martin, yeah. Rolling with rolling now. All right, folks, the job market unexpectedly reversed its freefall in May as employers brought back millions of workers after the pandemic-induced layoffs. The unemployment rate fell to 13.3% from 14.7% in April, but still remains higher than in any previous post-war recessions. And oh, did Donald Trump run outside real quick to gloat. job openings remain far below normal and the story for black unemployment is even more dire the overall unemployment rate for black folks is 16.8 percent for black men it is 16 percent for
Starting point is 00:04:16 black women is 17.5 percent all right folks now play the video but this is outstanding what's happened today now they thought the number would be a loss of 9 million jobs, and it was a gain of almost 3 million jobs. Nobody's ever seen anything. I think it was incredible in a couple of ways. Number one, the numbers are great, and this leads us on to a long period of growth. We'll have the greatest.
Starting point is 00:04:42 We'll go back to having the greatest economy anywhere in the world. Nothing close. And I think we're going to have a very good upcoming few months. I think you're going to have a very good August, very good July, but a spectacular, maybe spectacular September, but a spectacular October, November, December. And next year is going to be one of the best years we've ever had economically. Like I said, Team Trump is just so excited. They sent out this press release touting, saying this is bad news for Joe Biden. They're trying to spin the black numbers. Paris Gennaro sent the email out. And I said, dude, it's real. He said, well, they didn't go up in a large number. I said, no. Did the black unemployment rate go up? Yes or no? He refused to answer the question. The answer is it did. Joining us right now, Benga Adjelore, senior economist at the Center for American Progress, Christian Brody, dean of the White House want to do their best to spend these numbers.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Can they spend their way out of what this means for black people? They can't spend their way out of what it means for black people because our unemployment rate went up. I mean, you know, the little silver lining is last month we set a record for the low of the share of black men holding a job. And so we inched up a little bit from that. And black women have fallen below half black women
Starting point is 00:06:14 having a job. Now it's a little bit above that. It's at 50 percent. I mean, that's the best thing they can do. But for the economy as a whole, as you said, we're still at a record level of unemployment. And more importantly, if we do this pace, we're still going to get to November and not have erased the 20 million jobs we lost in March and April, which, by the way, they revised downward. So we actually lost more jobs than what had previously been reported. So this is not the pace to get us back to where we were by November, if that's what he's hoping. Kristen, they swear things are wonderful. They swear things are great. Again, and look, Donald Trump desperately wants to run on the economy he wants to give the impression that he's a savior of black
Starting point is 00:07:09 people he tweeted the other day that no president possibly with the exception of Lincoln has done more for black people he keep touting the number but here's the problem the black unemployment rate started going up last year. So as I look at the numbers, if I go back to May of 2019, for black people, it was 5.9 percent compared to 3 percent for white people. That's not a wonderful thing for us. And if you look at March, the number was 6.7 percent, April 16.7 percent and then slightly up to 16.8. It was going down for others coming from April into May for everyone except for us. How can that possibly be a wonderful thing for Black people, especially for those who are 16 to 19, where the rate is 34.9 percent? It's only higher for Hispanics at 37.4%. That's
Starting point is 00:08:06 not a wonderful thing for us. Bingo. Bottom line is this here. Again, the White House, they're out there touting, oh, we're going to have an incredible in the second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter. We're going to have huge growth, explosive growth.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Should there be drug tests at the White House? The biggest thing that they're missing is that the whole reason why we're in this mess is that we are in the midst of a public health crisis. And even today, we're still seeing higher cases of COVID. We're seeing higher rates of
Starting point is 00:08:37 death. And so we've reopened the economy. And then do you think we'll have another break, have a second wave, things like that? If that's going to happen, that's going to tank the economy again. So we can't talk about the second quarter, third quarter, have a second wave, things like that. If that's gonna happen, that's gonna tank the economy again. So we can't talk about the second quarter, third quarter, end of the year without talking about the COVID crisis. But, Bingo, also, again, they keep trying to spin us
Starting point is 00:08:55 on just how great and wonderful this is for black folks as if the black unemployment isn't double that of whites anyway. And so this is something that we've seen throughout all of history, that through good economies, poor economy has always been double the rate. And in fact, the only time it got really low was last month, where it was about 1.2 the rate. But the reason why is because the white rate had gone up so high. And then the other thing that we haven't been talking about is the essential jobs. A lot of these essential jobs are disproportionately
Starting point is 00:09:24 African-American, but these are low-paying jobs with no benefits, and they're on the front line of the getting risk of the COVID crisis. And so, but then this month, it actually started to jump back up again from 1.2 to 1.35. So it's actually getting worse for African-Americans when you look at it relatively. And that's the thing that's important, Bill, to understand these numbers. It's very easy to spin numbers any way you want to, but too often mainstream media is not really focused on what this means for African Americans. And so when Trump says, oh, I'm just doing amazing for black people,
Starting point is 00:09:58 folks just run with it as opposed to going under the hood. Well, right. And the danger in the numbers, we lost another 400,000 jobs in local government and black people are overrepresented in state and local government. This is another sign that state and local governments don't have enough money to make it to the end of the year. They're making budgets for next year, and because they have to balance their budgets, they're already planning austerity. They're already figuring out how can we cut back so we don't run a deficit next year, next year meaning their next fiscal year, which means this fall. So what we're having is that in the fall, because the Senate Republicans refuse
Starting point is 00:10:47 to do anything with the House-passed HEROES Act, we're not going to get enough money to state and local governments to protect the investment in state and local infrastructure. And most importantly, these cuts to the infrastructure of education means it's going to be almost impossible to open schools in the fall. And if we don't open schools in the fall, it's going to be impossible to get women back into the labor force. Christian, I'm sitting here. Rasmussen just dropped their daily presidential tracking poll shows blacks likely voter approval of the job. Donald Trump is not over 40%. Who the hell are they talking to? I'm not really sure who the black people are that approve of Donald Trump's job.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I can't imagine who they are. Again, looking at the numbers that I'm seeing with these unemployment rates, I can't imagine who they are. It's no one that I rates. I can't imagine who they are. It's no one that I know. I can't imagine. Benga, this is what jumps out again. He kept talking at today's news conference about the greatest thing for black folks is the economy.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Folks, do y'all have that clip where he was even asked about it? If y'all have it, let me know so we can play it. But, Ben, again, Donald Trump has this idea that because the stock market is doing great, things are wonderful for black people. Does he pay any attention to the home ownership rate? Is he paying any attention to the wealth inequality gap? And he's still up there today touting what he's done for
Starting point is 00:12:25 hbcus but isn't the fact also that a black college graduate is still making less than a white high school graduate it is we see so many disparities across the education scale and there's so many reasons do i you know we haven't even started to talk about wealth and the wealth gap and how that's gotten worse. And also how from the Great Recession, African-Americans have not been able to recover. It took 11 years for unemployment rates to drop to, you know, 5.5 percent, as Dr. Brody was mentioning. And it's one of those things where at every level there's always going to be disparities and disparities don't close. And so when he talks about this great for African Americans, he's just
Starting point is 00:13:05 I don't want to use this phrase, but he's basically, he's lying. I'll just leave it at that. He's lying. Ben, understand, this ain't mainstream media. We can say lie. And so the problem is here's why we got to go ahead and say it. Because misrepresents,
Starting point is 00:13:22 misstating, no. Lying is lying. When you're making it up, you're making it up. And so, I was one of the first folks on mainstream to say he was a liar. Everybody else was trying to dance around it. No. Liar's a liar. Definitely. I was going to say something worse.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Hold on, Kristen. One second. Ben, Kristen, go ahead. I was just going to say that. I was going to say something worse than that. But the problem is that he's just, he's talking nonsense. And that's a problem that the media runs with it, that it doesn't make any sense and that none of the numbers are good. Even if we don't even talk about African-Americans, 13.3% unemployment is something that we haven't seen since the Great Depression.
Starting point is 00:13:58 That's a horrible number. Nothing to celebrate. And he literally stood there today and said, in fact, Christian, before you go, play what he said about HBCUs. Go ahead. Vulnerable areas of America is going to be my focus. It's going to be a big focus
Starting point is 00:14:13 because it's taking care of itself, but we have to help that very vulnerable area. They're vulnerable. It's not right. And we're helping them. And we have helped them in the past. We're also opportunity zones, criminal justice reform. Nobody's ever done for the black community what President Trump has done. Think of it. Historically, black, small colleges and universities that would come here for money every year, every year for many, many years.
Starting point is 00:14:46 After three years, I said, why are you doing this? Why do you keep coming here? They said, because we come. I said, don't you get a long-term deal so you don't have to come? The head of one of the very respected colleges looked at me and said, sir, we're like beggars. Every year we have to come to Washington and beg for money.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I said, you should have a long-term deal. And we signed a a long term deal so they don't have to come. I'll miss them. I told him I miss them. I got to know him. But the first year I didn't think anything of it. The second year, I said, that's strange. Why are you here? And then the third year, not so long ago, same people, the heads of the historically black small colleges and universities, 44 people, maybe a little more than that, a little less than that sometimes. But after three years, I said, what are you doing? They said, the past administration did nothing for us. The administration before that did nothing for that. So I'm going to do it. So we did the Opportunity Zones with Senator Tim Scott, who's been fantastic. And by the way, it's one of the great unknowns because the Opportunity Zones you don't talk about.
Starting point is 00:15:55 It's one of the most incredible success stories ever in terms of the inner cities and in terms of black and Hispanic and Asian unemployment, opportunity zones. You ought to do some stories about opportunity zones. Billions and billions of dollars of private money is being invested in putting people to work and getting money that they've never made before. So it's been really a terrific thing. I think the appropriate phrase, Christian, is called, that's that bullshit right there. So I just want to say that on March 27th, President Trump did sign into law the CARES Act, which provided $2 trillion of that $14.3 billion went to higher education, 10% of that to HBCUs. So I will say that. But at the same time, you have to think about what the discrepancy is. And when you think about the fact that 75.4 percent of first time full time undergraduates at HBCUs were awarded Pell grants versus 43.2 percent at PWI. Right. So that that's a measure of income inequality. And so more is definitely needed. Right? I will admit that yes, he did give the money,
Starting point is 00:17:06 but certainly more is needed. Well, let's just be clear, Bill. Congress passed the bill. He signed it. Thank you. The credit goes to Congressman Bobby Scott, who chairs the House and in Labor Committee. And yes, he agreed to sign it.
Starting point is 00:17:22 That's what happened here. And so when you hear him also, Bill, stand there and talk about, agreed to sign it. That's what happened to him. And so when you hear him also be able to stand there and talk about, oh, Opportunity Zones, I'm still trying to wait for the dad of the show what that has actually done. I haven't seen anything. You? It's like his claims about drugs that can cure COVID. And, you know, he says he takes one of them. So, I mean, we rarely see true positive
Starting point is 00:17:48 outcomes from that type of experiment because you're sort of moving the chess pieces around to avoid paying taxes. And so it's very hard to find meaningful outcomes from that. And Benga, he said, the problem is just going to fix itself? No. The reason why we have good numbers now is because of the CARES Act and because of all the lobbying and the work by activists
Starting point is 00:18:13 and think tank people and, you know, policymakers. But I want to go back to the point about Opportunity Zones because I've been writing about them for the last two years. And so what he said made no sense because the program is actually not in place yet, that it doesn't actually really start until, would start until 2021.
Starting point is 00:18:29 So there's no way that it can actually be working or anything like that. But the other problem is this is money going to rich people because you have to have capital gains to invest in places. And so he talked about inner cities, but there's a lot of disadvantaged communities and rural communities all throughout. And so and so we just again talking nonsense and that's why we call them out folks i appreciate it i don't think uh there's been a time on mainstream media where three black economists were all together talking at the same time that's what happens when you own your own show folks i appreciate it thanks a lot thanks all right uh folks this this is crazy, okay?
Starting point is 00:19:05 So I'm going to deal with our pal in a second. But let me deal with this. First of all, I'm going to go ahead and deal with this. Do y'all realize at today's news conference, this idiot actually said this about George Floyd? Watch this. We can't let that happen. Hopefully George is looking down right now and saying there's a great thing that's happening for our country. There's a great day for him. It's a great day for George Floyd.
Starting point is 00:20:01 And hopefully he's looking down on us. Kristen Clark, the lead law officer for Civil Rights and Other Laws, she joins us right now. Kristen, clearly, what do you say to such stupidity? You know, this is a dark, dark moment. We have the President of the United States and Attorney General Barr himself
Starting point is 00:20:24 issuing the order to deploy peaceful demonstrators by using force, by using the park police, by using the Secret Service, by firing tear gas, using chemical agents, using batons. People out there were hurt, actually. As people were peacefully assembled in front of St. John's Church, Attorney General issues the order. Attorney General Barr issues the order. Those people have to be deployed now. People were shocked. There were kids out there. There were old people out there.
Starting point is 00:21:01 There were religious people out there. There were black, white, brown people out there. You had the park police. You had secret service, you had the National Guard. It was horrible. And so what we've done at the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law is we've said enough is enough. We know what this is about. We saw this in Selma, Alabama, when peaceful demonstrators were marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge and they were met with state-sponsored violence when they got on the other side. Here we are in 2020 dealing with the same thing. So last night we filed a suit in federal district court here in Washington DC on
Starting point is 00:21:39 behalf of the DC chapter of Black Lives Matter. The case caption is Black Lives Matter D.C. versus Trump. Other named defendants include Attorney General Barr and Esper and a slew of government officials who violated the Constitution by using state-sanctioned violence to attack peacefully assembled demonstrators. And what we plan to do, as people all across our country are out protesting and demonstrating and expressing grief about the death of George Floyd, crying out for reform, crying out for police reform now, is we're going to stand by them and we're going to use the courts to make clear that they have a right to be out there. And that right comes from the First Amendment of the Constitution, which says you have the right
Starting point is 00:22:32 to free speech and the right to assembly. And here's the interesting thing about President Trump. He believes in the First Amendment. He does. He believes in the First Amendment when you're talking about gun-toting activists who are taking siege of government buildings. He believes in the First Amendment when you're talking about churches that are trying to defy state orders to stay home. But he doesn't believe in the First Amendment when people are out talking about racial justice and police violence and issues that he doesn't agree with. And that's not right. It violates the Constitution. And so we're fighting back. And again, what we're seeing is we're seeing this use of force, this battle with the D.C. mayor in terms of folks being in the nation's capital. And what we're also seeing is vicious attacks, Christian, by cops all across this country.
Starting point is 00:23:37 I mean, I've seen video from Buffalo, Philadelphia, New York, Los Angeles. It is as if the viciousness that we talk about has been unleashed on black folks. White folks are getting beat like crazy out there, too. These cops, they are operating as if they have absolutely no, you know, no remorse, nothing. They're just, we're just going to swing away.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Yeah. We, by now, many people have seen the video of the elderly man in Buffalo who was pushed down, bleeding out of his ears and the back of his head. And we now understand that all of the officers have apparently resigned because of discipline that was imposed on the officer who did the pushing. They are standing unified. And here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:24:32 That raises one big issue that we're going to have to address as we now engage in this national debate about police reform. What do we do about police unions? And what do we do about the culture inside of police unions and these collective bargaining agreements that are so often an obstacle to reform and so often hamstrung people from putting in place that, putting in place the reforms that you need to transform a police department? We know what we need. We need a ban on chokeholds. We need a ban on racial profiling. We need to create a national database where we can track the misconduct of police officers and make it impossible for them to get purged one day and then rehired the next over here. We need to ban the use of federal money to bring in militarized equipment. We know the reforms that are needed, but one big obstacle will be the police reforms. And also, how do we change the culture inside of police departments? So many police officers operate from this warrior mentality.
Starting point is 00:25:40 It is a war. Put on your riot gear, get your billy club out, get your tear gas. When actually, if you had a different mentality and saw yourself as a guardian of the people, as a community builder, we wouldn't have the tensions and conflicts that we're seeing. And we saw that last weekend play out. Camden, New Jersey, Flint, Michigan, the officers who chose to march side by side with demonstrators, THE DYNAMICS THAT WERE IN THE PAST WEEKEND PLAY OUT. CAMDEN, NEW JERSEY, FLINT, MICHIGAN, THE OFFICERS WHO
Starting point is 00:26:10 CHOSE TO MARCH SIDE BY SIDE WITH DEMONSTRATORS, SAID I'M WITH YOU, I'M NOT AGAINST YOU. THE DYNAMICS WERE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IN THE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAME OUT WITH THEIR TANKS AND THE RIOT GEAR, THE TENSION LEVELS
Starting point is 00:26:24 JUST ROSE DRAMATICALLY. IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG ROAD TO REFORM, BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED rose dramatically. It's going to be a long road to reform, but we know what we need to do to get the job done. But for right now, the demonstrators and the protesters are playing an important part because they're shining a bright light on the issue and they're making it impossible for you to turn the channel and move on to something else. This issue is here to stay. It is front and center and it is not going away. And at the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, we are going to stand up right now for those who are choosing to protest in the streets, exercising their First Amendment rights. Kristen Clark, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. We appreciate it. What's the website where people can support the work you all do?
Starting point is 00:27:08 Please visit www.lawyerscommittee.org. Lawyerscommittee.org. Hit the donate button. Thank you for standing with us. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Folks, here's a Buffalo video that Christian was referencing where initially the two cops were suspended. They've now quit. Watch this. No, folks, wrong video. That's wrong video. That's the wrong video. Please, that's the Black Lives Matter video. I need the Buffalo video. Push it! Push it! He is wicked! He's not up here!
Starting point is 00:27:48 He's bleeding out of his ear! Get him better! What the fuck you walking up on me? I'm gonna grab! Get the fuck away! I don't know what this is! Back up! Back up!
Starting point is 00:28:04 Back up! Get off your steps. Let's go. Get back. Get back. We better get an ambulance for him. We have EMT on scene. Folks, it's crazy. The man literally was bleeding out of his ears.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Huh. Yeah. Here's what actually happened. An entire unit of the Buffalo Police Department resigned from their assignments today because two of the officers were suspended. Man was 75 years old. Let's go to our panel right now. Break this thing down. Dr. Wendy Osefo, she's professor and political commentator. Derek Hawley, president, Reaching America podcast and political analyst. Rob Richardson hosts Disruption Now podcast. Wendy, I'll start with you. This goes to show you how shameful these cops are. They're so pissed that two got suspended. Whole unit said, we're done. We're done. I say good riddance.
Starting point is 00:29:11 I say good riddance and I say that there are 57 jobs now available, okay, in Buffalo. That's what I say. But this shows you that ingrained system of corruption that is in the police force that we see wrong. We see an elderly gentleman getting pushed. Not only did we see him get pushed, but we also see that they initially lied about it and said that he tripped and fell. So but for this video, we wouldn't have known the truth. Secondly, once the individuals are reprimanded for their actions, now the brotherhood of police officers is saying,
Starting point is 00:29:45 you know what? We're going to stand behind our fellow officer for doing wrong. This is the same mentality that they use when they stand behind their fellow officers when they watch them kill people. This is the same mentality that was used when those other officers watched Chauvin choke and kill George Floyd. And none of them, none of them stopped him. It is a mentality. It is a system. And while we are looking to persecute and get a conviction, we have to understand that convictions are one thing, but we have to change the system and the culture of the police force. Derek, first of all, this is, they did not quit the force. They resigned from this elite unit, the Buffalo Police Department Emergency Response Team.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Listen to the President's Association. 57 resigned in disgust because of the treatment of two of their members who were simply executing orders. That's Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans. Derek? Yeah, so, okay, it was a delayed response. So I hear you on that, Roland, and I hear everything that the doctor said, too.
Starting point is 00:31:03 There is a mentality that is within all the police departments. Everything these people do, you can't condone it. But at the same time, Roland, every police officer out there, there's thousands of them that's doing their job. Now, let me just say, nothing just went on with the Floyd and all that kind of stuff and the reason why we're protesting, it was long overdue. But at the same time, I've seen some of these videos that I've watched locally, and by the time it makes headline news, it's been altered right here in Washington, D.C. And so when these people tell you to push, get back, get back, or get your butt off the street at seven o'clock then you need to be off the streets at seven o'clock period so very interesting before i go to you rob you talk about all so many who are doing their job uh chris rock sort of spoke to this guys play this, please. Rob.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Come on. Did you take it out of context? No, no, no. No, I didn't. No, you completely out of context. Hold on. No, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek. No.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Derek. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, Rob. Derek, that's exactly what you were saying. Rob is speaking. Rob is speaking. Rob is speaking. Rob, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Look, when you get to this, you can't tell me what I was saying. Hold on, hold on one second. Rob is speaking. You know, when you look at this, when you get bad apples, the problem is the bad apples tend to be the loudest, and they don't get checked. Hold tight one second. Hold up, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob. I need you to pull that microphone a little closer because it sounds like you sound like you far. That's better. Go. All right. No problem. So see, the issue is that the bad apples don't get checked and they take over the culture. Look at that video from Buffalo. And the fact is there was one guy that was trying to help them
Starting point is 00:33:02 and they pushed him forward. And now they all resigned because they were held accountable. Like if we don't hold the bad apples accountable, if they're not brought to justice, which they're usually 99 percent of the time or not, then it becomes part of the culture. And what people are seeing right now all across the country is what black communities have been dealing with forever. You have you have a police state that feels like it's at war with the community. It seems that way sometimes. And I'm going to really push back on what Derek said. Listen, I actually compare when people say, you know, we need to be more compliant. Of course, people need to follow the rules, but that's not the issue. That's like saying, it's like blaming women for getting raped for what they wear. At the end of the day,
Starting point is 00:33:40 there's no perfect, hold on a second, hold on a second. There is nothing like a black man can do everything right. He can whatever supposedly right. Not be wearing a hoodie, follow all the rules, tell the officers what he's doing, and he still ends up dead. We need to actually reform the system and not only blame the government. I'll give an example. I'll give an example. When you talk about where we are with what's going on out here. The Atlanta Police Department released the body cam footage
Starting point is 00:34:08 that took place on Friday when the cops snatched these two black kids, Morehouse and Spellman, out of their car. Out of control. No, no. Press play. No, no, no. Please, please, no! No!
Starting point is 00:34:28 No! No, please, no! No, please, no, please! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it!
Starting point is 00:34:36 I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it!
Starting point is 00:34:44 I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! I'm not doing it! You're about to go to jail. Where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? Just drill one. It's not my man's right. Let him go. Let him go. Let him go. No, please. No.
Starting point is 00:34:58 No. I can do anything. No, please. No, please. Get in there. Get in the window. I can do anything. Help me. Help me. Get in there. Hit the window. Open the window. Open the window.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Stop the car. Put the car apart. Put the car apart! Put the car apart! Put the car apart! Put it in park! Put the car apart! Hit the other line! Hit the other line! Hit the other line! Hit the other line!
Starting point is 00:35:43 We're at it. We're coming in the park. All right. I don't know. Put him down, man. Put him down. Put him down. Okay, okay, I'm getting out, I'm getting out. Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! I'm getting out!
Starting point is 00:36:30 Stop! Stop! Stop! Stop! I'm trying to get out! Okay, I'm getting out! Stop! I'm getting out!
Starting point is 00:36:46 The Atlanta chief, Derek, says that the charges filed against them are political. No, I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all. The charges that were filed against them were very warranted in this particular situation. Absolutely. I mean, this is the deal.
Starting point is 00:37:03 When we say there are few bad apples, somebody can die because of the actions of one of them. Death is death. They may get fired. They may get fired. They may go to jail. They're still living.
Starting point is 00:37:21 And the problem I have, the problem I have the problem I have is that we have to deal with these folks who are screwing things up and and I just think a lot of time they're far too many excuses being made and see and they're so sensitive they want any criticism that I want anybody checking them okay they may Cuomo apologize you You got politicians bending over backwards. Oh, my God. You don't know. I mean, they are the most sensitive-ass snowflakes
Starting point is 00:37:52 I think out there. Agreed. Wendy, there has to be a level of changes, and I think again, what the George Floyd murder is revealing is going to be this is not going away this is not going away no I mean you said it and and to be quite honest with you as I'm watching that video
Starting point is 00:38:16 when they start teasing that young man they're teasing him and while they're teasing him they're telling him where to put his hand as if he's reaching for something. And it's just a setup. How are you tasing somebody? They're going through something traumatic and now you're giving them a set of directions and expecting them to listen to that set of directions. And as you said, it's life or death. If he could have moved his hand, they could have screamed gun. Yes, he doesn't have one. But by the time we realized he doesn't have one, that black man's life is gone. And this is the issue. The issue is we have to understand that this whole narrative of a couple bad apples, it can no longer fly because it's an excuse.
Starting point is 00:38:57 It's an excuse for there to be this type of roguery in the police department. It's no longer acceptable to have bad apples. My sister is a surgeon. You cannot tell her or her colleagues that there are just a few bad apples. Those are people's lives that they are working on. So I think we need to up the standards of police officers, up our expectations of police officers, and we need to redefine what community policing really is
Starting point is 00:39:22 because right now that does not exist. That's the last part I agree with a lot. Go ahead. Sorry. No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, it's the last part I agree with a lot. So the issue is we have to change the culture of policing in this country to be all oriented towards community policing, not seeing themselves as an occupying force, which is how sometimes police act. And that's a problem. It's a cultural problem. So the problem is the bad actors get empowered to do bad things if you don't have a culture that's centered on community policing instead of just having this approach that it's us against the people.
Starting point is 00:39:52 That's the problem. And, of course, the Minneapolis Police Department, they have agreed to ban the use of chokeholds by police. Ooh. Okay. I mean, to me, that's— It was in the policy before. Yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:40:06 It was part of the policy. That's kind of basic, Derek. Yeah, I agree with that. But as we go back and start talking about what's going on, it's the police union. There was an article in the New York Post where it talked about George Floyd had a violent criminal history. And so a lot of these people, even this union, they're trying to justify what happened.
Starting point is 00:40:30 You got a lot of white people trying to justify still what happened. And at the end of the day, regardless of what was in his criminal past or history was or was not, it does not give that officer the right to be the judge, the jury, and executioner. And so that's why I'm like, you can't, when you were talking about the police earlier, man, I'm not with them with all this crap that they're doing. But at the same time, we still got to have police have law and order. And there ain't no room for no bad apples. If one of these bad ones do something wrong, your ass got to go.
Starting point is 00:41:01 It shouldn't be no second chances. But the thing about these police unions, as soon as they have an issue, go see your FOP, go see your police union officer, because they know how strong that force is, that union is, and more likely is going to get them off. So when we start talking about, you know, all the things that we need to do to change, the change has got to come with these police unions because they have too much power. And then these elected officials who all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:41:25 when it comes down to, oh, I got the support of the police union. I got the support of the police union. I got endorsed by the union. But you know what? That's a person we need to stay away from. Because if you got endorsed by them, then you're probably going to be in their pocket when it comes to election day.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Well, in fact, the problem, those same unions are pissed off with Joe Biden right now. Angry with his comments, saying, the problem, those same unions are pissed off with Joe Biden right now, angry with his comments, saying, you know, oh, he's been a backup law enforcement in the past. And I'm like, you know what? And I tweeted last night, I said, hey, if Joe Biden loses the support of police unions, then his vote total should go up. He's not going to have the support. They're going to be with Trump for sure anyway. And I'll just say this. Half the time, the FOP doesn't consider themselves to be a union unless unions come under attack.
Starting point is 00:42:12 But most of the time, they consider themselves separate. And so I actually agree that they do have too much power, and people need to stand up to them. And there needs to be more accountability. I mean, I have no disagreement with that. Folks, one of the things I want to talk about is what's happening. And I'm going to get more detail uh next week am i the only one pissed off with a lot of these sorry ass corporations dropping their little statements how they stand with black people yet a lot of them got no black executives no black board members uh they don't have uh like no supplied uh diversity uh it's like so don't have like no supplied diversity. It's like so don't come up here all of a sudden trying to pimp black people.
Starting point is 00:42:52 And because it's forcing folks to come to reckon with who they are. For instance, the guy who is the the founder of right here of Reddit, Alexis Ohanian, who is the husband of Serena Williams, he resigned from Reddit and said he is going to ask fellow board members to replace him with a black candidate. Now, I appreciate that, but... He was tired doing the job. But how you go this long, Wendy, and not have anybody black on your board? You know, I don't know. I mean, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:43:34 I can't say yay. Right, right, right. It's weird, right? Because it's like all these people are coming out with these statements about diversity and the importance of Black lives. But the truth of the matter is, don't send me an email about your thought process or your philosophy. I want to see not just how many Black people on your board. I want to see how many Black people hold executive positions and i'm going to see your retention of your black employees because so many times we focus on the issue of diversity but diversity is really not the issue it's inclusion because how do black people feel that work for you do they feel
Starting point is 00:44:18 included that's what i want to see so don't tell me that you support black lives matter when the truth of the matter is the black lives that work for you don't think that they matter. So let's get in line and let's stay on message. And the message is let's be inclusive of black people and not just tolerate black people. I'll give an example here, Derek. Go to my iPad.
Starting point is 00:44:41 The editor-in-chief of Variety, Claudia Eller, to take two-month administrative leave after social media outbursts. She wrote a column talking about diversity, and this Asian woman hit her back saying, well, hell, I wish you'd give a damn about diversity when I worked there. You've been a part of the problem all these years. And then, so, Eller took umbrage, clapped back at her. The woman came back. Then they had a staff meeting. They had a staff meeting. And then, so, Ella took umbrage, clapped back at her.
Starting point is 00:45:05 The woman came back. Then they had a staff meeting. They had a staff meeting showing what people were commenting about her treatment of others. She started crying. And then Jay Penske, the CEO, says, time to step back. I mean, it's a whole bunch of folks being revealed right now. That's exactly right. Celebrities included. Sorry, just had to say that.
Starting point is 00:45:28 And everybody. And Floyd, like I said, what happened with Floyd, man, it ignited what needed to be sparked in this country for a long time. And so when you see what's happening, like you said, it's pulled back the covers just on America because so many people are being exposed right now for who they are. You know, everybody, you get all these sympathy calls from white people right now. Like, where were you before? And so, again, this shows the fabric of America and it's exposing everybody for who they really are.
Starting point is 00:46:01 And it don't matter. A lot of times when something happens, everybody would go, OK, was he white or black? Then they want to go, what political party is he? Well, you know what? It's just all of the above right now. It's white and it ain't got no political party associated with it. Because even these liberal Democrats, like the woman in New York City who called the police, what do you call the police on that man for birdwatching? And then you got the extreme right so it's all of them and where we are in the middle trying to figure it all out um so for instance uh i'm gonna pull this up in just a second here rob here's a perfect example uh that was a story that was on social
Starting point is 00:46:37 media uh and uh billy bush of extra tweeted this extras billras Billy Bush and Nate Burleson talk George Floyd protests and change. Sean Robinson then fires back, good morning, Billy Bush. I appreciate you being an ally now, but if you want to talk about the pain hashtag white privilege causes African-Americans, you should probably also talk to the black woman
Starting point is 00:47:02 who sat next to you on the set of Access Hollywood for years. Oh, that's a mic drop moment. Wow. We have a serious pandemic in this country and it allows people to be socially distant. It allows them to be able to be hidden their places and and not necessarily be affected. And it seems invisible to them. And of course'm not talking about coven 19 racism is the pandemic in this country and it privileges the privilege is the ability to social distance which most white people can do so this is what we need white people to do look i'm happy for the statements uh that's just one that's
Starting point is 00:47:39 the bottom floor that's that's just saying okay you acknowledge you can see fine now we need change behavior we need responsible white people to check other white people, and we need folks to be on the front line because we can't do it by ourselves anymore. We can't just say, okay, black people, it's up to you to explain this to us. What else do we have to explain? Everybody saw George Floyd. Everybody saw Breonna Taylor. This has been everybody saw Ahmaud Arbery.
Starting point is 00:48:03 This has been going on every day. It's not getting worse. It's getting exposed. We need others in America to do something about it and not just rely on us. Yeah. I mean, that's just- And I would add just to that, Roland, that even though that video shows nine minutes of this officer on Floyd's neck. There are still so many white people who are trying to justify what took place. And it's like, and those are the people, they just
Starting point is 00:48:33 don't get it, they don't understand. It's dangerous, man. And those are some of the ones that are on these police departments who have got these, all of these who've gotten in trouble before and so these people you can't wait for a second chance that's why there needs to be intervention at these flps and these unions man because they're the ones who are standing behind
Starting point is 00:48:55 these guys and letting it go on and continue to exist one incident after another but i'll say it's also deeper than that you got you got You got Fox News out there and folks out there that are giving people that need some reason to justify what happened. Then they paint a story like, oh, there's just looters out there or George Floyd had a criminal record. That's what they try to focus on versus the life and humanity of the person. So, like, we have a media problem, too, because, you know, particularly with Fox News, I'm just saying with that, it allows people to have the shortcut in their mind, their get-out-of-jail-free card to, okay, yeah, he deserved it some way or another. And so we have to also check how we view news, how we're getting news, and have people challenge themselves. So going back to what I said earlier, we need white people to get more uncomfortable because it's comfortable to go back into your narrative and believe that, you know, a good person I'm not racist I would never do that that's not the point we're not saying you're going to kill somebody like George Floyd the problem is there's an environment that let
Starting point is 00:49:53 that happen and that happened because not enough good people stepped up because there was too much indifference that's the issue well I'll give perfect example um uh here's the uh pure ignorance of Donald Trump and how he treats black female reporters on full display today at the Rose Garden news conference. Mr. President, why have you laid out a plan to have Democrats disintegrate? I'd like to sign this bill. This is a very different thing. And by the way, what's happened to our country
Starting point is 00:50:28 and what you now see has been happening is the greatest thing that can happen for race relations, for the African-American community, for the Asian-American, for the Hispanic-American community, for women, for everything. What's your plan?
Starting point is 00:50:44 Because our country is so strong, and that's what my plan is. We're going to have the strongest economy in the world. We almost are there now. We have the strongest economy anywhere in the world, and now we're going to have an economy that's even stronger. Sir, how would a better economy... I'd like to sign this.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Yeah, just to follow up. How would a better economy have protected George Floyd? Sure, I'll ask after. Will you take questions after, sir, how would a better economy... Yeah, just to follow up. How would a better economy have protected George Floyd? Sure, I'll ask after. Will you take questions after, sir? Black unemployment went up by 0.1%. Asian Americans' unemployment went up by 0.5%. How is that a victory? You are something.
Starting point is 00:51:19 How is that a victory? Thank you very much. You are something, Derek. Yeah. a big thank you very much. You are something there. We want to say. Whatever you want to say. At some point you know we know we know we don't want to write out OK but at some point I know know exactly what that report is, and I'm just going to leave it at that.
Starting point is 00:51:47 I'm sorry, you're going to leave what? You haven't left anything. Pipe down and show some respect. No, hold on, what do you mean pipe down and show some respect? She's a White House reporter. She's a White House reporter. Wait, hold on. She's a White House reporter who gets to ask
Starting point is 00:52:04 questions. Can he sign the executive order first White House reporter who gets to ask questions. Can he sign the executive order first? He still doesn't answer the question. Can he sign the executive order first? Wait a minute. He signed the executive order, and then still ignored her after he signed it. Does he have to answer her question? You damn right he does. Yes, he does.
Starting point is 00:52:18 No, he don't. I wouldn't have answered that either. He's a White House reporter. Well, look. No, hold on. No, no. What's that? No, Wendy. Wendy, go ahead. Wendy, go ahead. I wouldn't have answered that either. No, hold on. No, no, no. Wendy, Wendy, go ahead. Wendy, go ahead. I wouldn't have answered it either.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Wendy? Let me tell you something. This behavior is the type of dismissive behavior that Donald Trump does to women, and especially black women. He's done it to April Ryan. He's done it to Abby Phillips. He continues to do it to Yamiche. He does it all the time.
Starting point is 00:52:45 So please believe that he is not just not answer her question, but it's a way for him to exert his status, his privilege, as a white man. He continues to be dismissive. And to answer your question, does he have to answer her question, yes, he does. We are American citizens. She is a White House reporter. And then
Starting point is 00:53:05 doubly, doubly, doubly he said, let me sign the order. And then after he signed the order, he still didn't answer the question. Rob, Rob, hold on. Rob, then Derek. Rob, go ahead. Listen, we all know the president is a jackass.
Starting point is 00:53:22 If Derek and I agree on that, he's a jackass across the board. I guess that's what he was getting to. I agree on that. The problem is, though, he's also a racist. And we can point to how he talked about protesters that he thought were good protesters, American people, that were bringing AR-15s, yelling at state capitals, threatening lawmakers. Those were good people. No problem there. And somehow all the police force, everybody could keep under control. Nobody was killed. Nobody was tear gassed. And then the president gets up and says, when there's looting, we need to shoot. And the looting starts, the shooting starts. He clears protesters. I already know we're going to talk about this later, but he clears protesters out of the way so he can do a fake photo op to put the Bible up. I mean, we have lots of examples of how he's dehumanized people. He's a horrible person and a horrible president. And his interaction with that reporter is just an example of how immature he is. Most presidents,
Starting point is 00:54:14 look, reporters can be difficult. They can be annoying. But your job as the president is supposed to be to answer questions, to deal with it, and to rise above the fray. He has no ability to do it. He's a poor, horrible, narcissistic, racist leader. End of paragraph, end of sentence. Derek, go ahead. I agree with everything you just said, but he didn't have to answer a question. And that's all I have to say with it.
Starting point is 00:54:36 He did not have to answer a question. And he dealt with this media. I think, for real, he's shown more patience than any other president has. Bullshit! Bullshit! That's utter bullshit. I mean, this man has attacked people.
Starting point is 00:54:53 You can't even, first of all, President Barack Obama, President George W. Bush, President Bill Clinton, they actually show far more respect for media than Mr. Fake News. No, that's not my opinion. That's fact.
Starting point is 00:55:10 This man is an ingrate. This man is a despicable, evil human being who's nasty, who lies, who cannot stand being held accountable. They all do. Yeah, okay. Not like all do. Yeah, okay. Not like this guy. Yeah, okay. That's a damn lie. All right, y'all.
Starting point is 00:55:30 All right, y'all. The NFL players stood up and released this video today where they weighed in on what's happening with George Floyd and the need to protest. It's been 10 days since George Floyd was brutally murdered. How many times do we need to ask you to listen to your players? What will it take for one of us to be murdered by police brutality? What if I was George Floyd?
Starting point is 00:55:53 If I was George Floyd? What if I was George Floyd? If I was George Floyd? If I was George Floyd? If I was George Floyd? I am George Floyd. I am Breonna Taylor. I am Ahmaud Arbery.
Starting point is 00:56:04 I am Eric Garneau. I am the climate dove. I am Breonna Taylor. I am Ahmaud Arbery. I am Eric Garneau. I am Laquan McDonough. I am Tamir Rice. I am Trayvon Martin. I am Walter Scott. I am Michael Brown Jr. I am Samuel Du Bois. I am Frank Smart.
Starting point is 00:56:12 I'm Phillip White. I am Jordan Baker. We will not be silenced. We assert our right to peacefully protest. It shouldn't take this long to admit. So, on behalf of the National Football League, this is what we, the players, would like to hear you state. We, the National Football League, are here to help you.
Starting point is 00:56:20 We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. We are here to help you. It shouldn't take this long to admit. So, on behalf of the National Football League, This is what we, the players, would like to hear you state. We, the National Football League, condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people.
Starting point is 00:56:34 We, the National Football League, admit wrong in silencing our players from peacefully protesting. We, the National Football League, believe black lives matter. Black lives matter. Black lives matter. Black lives matter. Black lives matter. Black lives matter. Well, after a lot of criticism because the NFL did not immediately share that video, they finally did.
Starting point is 00:56:56 And NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell just released this video. It came in my mailbox. Watch. It has been a difficult time for our country, in particular, black people in our country. First, my condolences to the families of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, and all the families who have endured police brutality. We, the National Football League,
Starting point is 00:57:21 condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people. We, the National Football League, admit we were wrong for not listening to NFL players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest. We, the National Football League, believe black lives matter. I personally protest with you and want to be part of the much- needed change in this country. Without black players there would be no National Football League and the protests around the country are emblematic of the centuries of silence, inequality, and oppression of Black players,
Starting point is 00:58:07 coaches, fans, and staff. We are listening. I am listening. And I will be reaching out to players who have raised their voices and others on how we can improve and go forward for a better and more united NFL family. Oh, that was special. Kaepernick still is being white ball, Wendy.
Starting point is 00:58:32 So this is my thing with the National Football League. You guys are racist. And the fact that Roger Goodell comes out and releases this statement, great. Thank you for doing it. But my issue is I want to see Colin Kaepernick on the team because Colin Kaepernick was peacefully protesting. He didn't bother anybody. He just got on the field and took a knee.
Starting point is 00:58:59 They blackballed him. So how do we expect for the NFL to hold true to their word if they're saying that they respect peaceful protest when what they have shown us is that they do not? Instead, they align with the notions of white supremacist ideology because when people do try to protest peacefully, they get blackballed. So it sounds great, makes for good optic, but don't tell me what you're going to do. Show me what you're going to do.
Starting point is 00:59:32 I agree. I would just add to that. I would say it shows the power, though, of what we have when we stand up, when we fight. And no, it's not enough, but had we just rewind a year ago and you've seen Roger Goodell saying black lives matter.
Starting point is 00:59:51 For some reason in America, saying that is controversial, just to say black lives matter. And so he said that, and that will piss off a lot of people who are so-called NFL fans who just want to see us shut up and dribble, just throw a ball, whatever you want to say. So I want to acknowledge that he said it. And now I want to show the players, and I want to talk to the players again, pressure him to do more.
Starting point is 01:00:13 You have the power, not them. As he said, and he was right, without black players, nobody's watching the NFL. You don't have an NFL. There's nothing there. So recognize your power and continue to use it. What Wendy said, okay, the NFL bottom line is racist.
Starting point is 01:00:30 Hands down. And to me, the NFL is going backwards in terms of race relations because we have less black coaches now than we had two, three years ago. So who do we blame for that? All those Republican in voting and funding owners?
Starting point is 01:00:45 I would say that's all you can vote. That would be the bottom line. But I'm not going to say that they're all Republican owners. I'm not going to say that. They are. Okay. I'm sorry. Out of the 32 NFL owners,
Starting point is 01:01:00 what, 31? I don't know. You could be right. It could be all 32 of them. But the bottom line is, man, somebody needs to check them because we've gone backwards. We've gone backwards. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:14 Derek, I actually agree about this. Like, racism sees no boundary. It is bipartisan in its nature now. I mean, so, like, we can go to the West Coast, take all of those high-tech companies, super liberal, go see what the diversity is on their board, go see what their inclusion is. You're going to see it's going to look just like it does on the East Coast. It looks no different from the South.
Starting point is 01:01:36 They talk different. Everybody's nicer to you. But when you look at how things are done, there's not that much of a change. Oh, yeah. Listen, so this is what I want to change. Oh, yeah. Look, listen. So this is what I want to see. This is what I talked about today. Look, I don't want my humanity to be a partisan issue.
Starting point is 01:01:51 And right now it is. And the right tends to use it more. And the left just tends to not speak up enough. So I want to end it. I want to have a bipartisan agreement where our humanity is respected across the board and this stops happening. Well, guess what? That's right. That's right, Ron.
Starting point is 01:02:07 First of all, that's not the case when you have a Republican who's standing in the way of the anti-lynching bill. That's not the case when you have Republican senators who say nothing about the absolute abhorrent behavior of Donald Trump when it comes to these federal troops. It says nothing about when these Republicans stand around and say nothing. And when you look at how this man is disrespecting the military, troops. It says nothing about when these Republicans stand around and say nothing.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And when you look at how this man is disrespecting the military, how he pimps them at his disposal, but then trashes folks like General Mattis or General Kelly or anybody else when he gets upset. And so I will call out Republicans and Democrats. But here's what I do know. Those who are in power right now aren't doing their jobs. I agree with that now, too. I agree with that. Speaking of the anti-lynching bill, Senator Kamala Harris, Senator Cory Booker, went off on the floor of the United States Senate yesterday as Kentucky Senator Rand Paul stands in the way of passing an anti-lynching bill. Watch this.
Starting point is 01:03:01 The idea that we would not be taking the issue of lynching seriously is an insult. An insult to Senator Booker, to Senator Tim Scott and myself, and all of the senators past and present who have understood this is part of the great stain of America's history to suggest that anything short of pulverizing someone so much that the casket would otherwise be closed except for the heroism and courage of Emmett Till's mother, to suggest that lynching would only be a lynching if someone's heart was pulled out and produced and displayed to someone else is ridiculous. And on this day, the day of George Floyd's funeral, on this day, a day that should be a day of national mourning. Mr. President, in 2018, the Senate unanimously passed bipartisan anti-lynching legislation,
Starting point is 01:04:08 which I proudly introduced with the only other black members of this body, Senator Cory Booker and Senator Tim Scott. It was a historic moment. It marked the first time in the history of our country that federal anti-lynching legislation had been passed by the United States Senate. It passed again by unanimous consent in 2019. Senator Paul is now trying to weaken a bill that was already passed. There's no reason for this. There's no reason for this. Senator Paul's amendment would place a greater burden on victims of lynching than is currently required under federal hate crimes laws. There is no reason for this. There is no reason other than cruel and deliberate obstruction on a day of mourning. Mr. President, in February of 2019, this body did something historic.
Starting point is 01:05:15 And I don't mean to be emotional. I'm raw this week. But I stood here with Kamala and we wept. And we talked about the hundreds of years, over a century, excuse me, of effort to pass legislation brought up and defeated time and time again in this body by avowed segregationists. And how proud I was that at a time when the partisanship is high in this country, we gather together in one voice, 100 senators, to pass this exact same bill.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Because there are good people in this body on both sides. And we were correcting a wrong of history. And nobody in this body needs a lecture on lynching and how horrible it is. Everybody in this body abhors racism and believes that this violence is unjust. There are friends of mine here. Unanimously, we passed that legislation. We made history on this floor. And this is why I'm confused. Okay, so here's what I find to be very interesting here, Derek.
Starting point is 01:06:34 This is a bill that is sponsored by Senator Kamala Harris, Senator Cory Booker, Senator Tim Scott. As Senator Harris said, it was previously passed in the Senate. What the House did was the House changed the name Congressman Bobby Rush wanted Emmett Till's name on this bill so Senator Tim Scott he tweeted that well you know there are a couple of ways that I'm going to pull it up here he said there are a couple of ways that, I'm going to pull it up here. He said, there are a couple of ways that this bill can be addressed. And so this is what he said. I want our anti-lynching bill passed as much as anyone. And I'm disappointed Senator Paul is currently holding it up in the
Starting point is 01:07:17 Senate, even though we've already passed it twice the past few years. But let's not forget, there's another route for it to become law. For a year, the House sat on the already passed Senate bill. Then they changed only the name and sent it back to the Senate. Speaker Pelosi can still call up the original Senate anti-lynching bill, vote, and send it to the president to sign. Let's get this done one way or the other. Here's the whole deal, Derek. Mitch McConnell could also just bring it up on the floor. But he won't. Okay. But he won't.
Starting point is 01:07:47 So here's the deal. Okay, so if the bill is named, first of all, symbols do matter, symbols do matter. So if the bill is named after Emmett Till, is that bad? Why not just simply Mitch McConnell bring it up on the floor, the hell with Rand Paul, pass it, go to the president. Well, the same way that you asked that question, why can't you bring back the original bill that everybody agreed on? And so I was just reading just now,
Starting point is 01:08:15 I read what Rand Paul was holding the bill up for, and what he was saying is it's too broadly written. And so I'm wondering what the question, what the lynching is, because as you said, in this bill, someone could be literally shoved down and then you call oh he's listening no that's bullshit that's bullshit that's bullshit senator Rand Paul is lying let me explain to you again Derek and I'll say it slowly so you can understand no no I and I'll say it slowly so you can understand.
Starting point is 01:08:46 No, no, no. I'm going to say it real slowly so you can properly understand. So allow me to fully explain it. You are an Omega, which is why I must say it slowly. And I might need to show pictures. I might need to show pictures as well so you can get it. When Congressman Bobby Rush, Congressman Bobby Rush said, I believe the name Emmett Till should be on this.
Starting point is 01:09:14 That's what he said. Very good point. All I got to do is pass it. But Senator Rand Paul now is just bringing up all his other stuff, Rob, that ain't got nothing to do with nothing. Yeah. And so he is just trying to make a spectacle. But remember who his daddy is.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Yeah, remember who he is. Didn't his daddy, wasn't his daddy also the only one who voted against giving the Congressional Gold Medal to Rosa Parks? I mean, this is what Rand Paul, from my calculation, is doing. He's just signaling to folks, I'm still with you. I don't know when he's up for election, but this seems like a pure political stunt. I think it's going to pass.
Starting point is 01:09:52 This helps him get in the news saying he's fighting Kamala Harris, he's fighting Cory Booker. It's sad that he would use this at this time to do that, but I think all of this is a political stunt. I think it's going to pass. It'll pass with him until under his name. I just think folks are doing political theater, particularly Rand Paul, because he just wants to be Rand Paul. Rand Paul does this. That's why people don't like him in the Senate, including Republicans, who will actually
Starting point is 01:10:16 tell you that behind closed doors. I mean, they won't tell that out loud, but behind closed doors most of them will tell you they don't like him. Look, Wendy, it's real simple. How about Senator Tim Scott show some guts and say, Mitch McConnell, bring the bill to the floor. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:10:36 I think that, you know... Wendy, go ahead. No, I think that, again, I think it's political theater. I think that that's what's going on here. You see Rand Paul trying to slow this up because that's really the only attention he gets is when he does stuff like this to get his name in the paper. But I find it so sad that it's taken 64 years for us to get here. Like, what is not common sense about lynching being an issue? Like, no one should be against this. But, you know, it brings me to what else
Starting point is 01:11:07 was news in this week where Donald Trump had talked about he wants to make Antifa a domestic terrorist. But the Ku Klux Klan does not classify as a domestic terrorist. So I just don't understand this backwardsness, that's not a word I just made it up, that's going on in this country where we are dragging our feet for issues of equality. We're dragging our feet for issues of equity. This bill needs to pass. It's very simple. And if anybody has any wits about them, they need to just simply say, this needs to go to the floor and let us stop using the issue of race to create political theater, but rather use this bill to show unity in Congress that we will not tolerate racism in America any longer. The bill right now, right now is lynching. Right now, everybody in America
Starting point is 01:12:03 is saying that Floyd, he was lynched, he was lynched, he was lynched. Well, he wasn't lynched. He was actually murdered. And so when we start talking about this lynching bill, it's literally dead. Actually, Derrick, you know lynching and murder, you're still dead. No, I didn't know that.
Starting point is 01:12:22 My dumb ass didn't know that. Well, I mean, you sound a little confused there. I'm just making sure. Come on, man. Come on, man. But I think when you look at this, we shouldn't be using it for political theater. But let me say this. The more important thing we need to do, get this passed.
Starting point is 01:12:39 It's more historic for anything because what we really need to do is focus on real reforms, particularly at the state level, with policing. We need to focus on reforming mass incarceration, which needs to happen. These are things that can and should happen. So I do want to make sure that folks get past this. We're going to get past this. The real fight is going to come when we really fight for these overall protections that we need. We need to get the fourth amendment back as well and i can tell you who's going to be standing in the way of all
Starting point is 01:13:09 of that oh of course the president united states and all the republican and all those elephants all right y'all got to go to a break when we come back when we come back i'm going to explain to you why it's important to call out evil grifting folks like Candace Owens. That's next on roller Martin unfiltered The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer We are one nation and their pain is our pain president President Trump tweeting, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Their dreams are our dreams. Unemployment rate past 40 million. Largest unemployment rate since the depression era.
Starting point is 01:13:53 When you guys put somebody in the car, I said, please don't be too nice. I will fight for you with every breath in my body. There's a chance that it won't spread. Within a couple of days, it's going to be down to close to zero. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now. I'll play that for you, Derek. Are you one of those Republicans against Trump? You need to be worried about your next mayor or your next city council member.
Starting point is 01:14:39 That's what you need to be worried about. Actually, you can worry... So you can play that for me. You can play that for yourself. No, actually, you can worry about... You can actually worry about two or three things at the same time. Okay. I'm just checking.
Starting point is 01:14:51 Okay, well, you can pray that for me. I'm just checking. Just checking. Hashtag fire Trump in November. All right, folks. Guns N' Roses Boutique, a popular Dallas black-owned fashion retailer, is one of the many small businesses vandalized
Starting point is 01:15:03 and destroyed following the protests in Dallas. It took place downtown in the city's Deep Ellum District. The owner is Princess Pope. She has owned and operated Guns N' Roses for seven years. It's one of the only black-owned businesses on her street. As a result of the violence, Guns N' Roses was wiped of all inventory and completely destroyed. She joins us right now. Princess, glad to have you on the show.
Starting point is 01:15:26 And so how have folks responded there? I know there are a lot of other GoFundMe efforts out there in Atlanta. Atlanta Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan contributed $500,000 to raise a total of $2 million to help black community and black businesses there. How has Dallas responded in helping you? The support has been truly amazing. And I just want to first say thank you for having me on your show today. You are one of the supporters, just highlighting the story and letting people know what's going on. My main goal is to focus on the actual problem though. So I know that I'm probably a product of what's going on right now,
Starting point is 01:16:06 but police brutality is actually the real issue, and we kind of got caught up in the hoopla, if you will. That's interesting because there was a guy in Minneapolis. He owned a restaurant, and he posted a statement on Facebook, and he said,
Starting point is 01:16:22 if it takes my restaurant being destroyed to end police violence, I'm fine with it. A lot of people were shocked and stunned. And they might be shocked and stunned to listen to what you just said, that you're not on here pissed off and angry and upset that your business was destroyed and inventory was taken,
Starting point is 01:16:43 that you still are about, yo, this is about police violence. This is about police brutality. Yes. I don't want to focus on the looters. My goal also, I feel like God chose me. I'm an entrepreneur at heart. I have an entrepreneur spirit. I've been an entrepreneur all my life, come from a family of entrepreneurs. So my goal is to teach younger people or older people how to overcome in this type of situation. And so that's where we are now in the rebuilding phase.
Starting point is 01:17:16 So yeah, I just wanna teach people that things will come, problems will happen, but you have to overcome those problems. So exactly how do you do it? That's where we are right now. There are a number of other business owners all across the country who have been impacted in cities. Black-owned businesses in Atlanta, Minneapolis, I mean, Chicago. We can go down the line.
Starting point is 01:17:38 And the Philadelphia newspaper, they actually, the Philadelphia Inquirer posted a story called building matter building matters too pissed off pissed off black staffers who walked out of the newsroom in protest who didn't show up to work the next day and so what do you make of when you listen to fox news and the other people and they're focused on buildings and buildings and buildings and buildings and then many of them uh i would say are trying to pimp black owned business owners by saying, I mean, look at them, they're a hard worker, their business was destroyed,
Starting point is 01:18:11 but they're also ignoring what set all of this off. And that is the cops murdering George Floyd. Exactly. I agree with it. I stand with them. I mean, and what's happening is, is the looters are coming behind the protestors. So I stand with them. I mean, and what's happening is, is the looters are coming behind the protesters. So I stand with the protesters. We have a problem with this nation and that's
Starting point is 01:18:33 just police brutality, right, on black lives. So I don't want the looters to get caught up in what we're focusing on now. And that's why I feel like, well, let's not focus on this small problem, right? Because we have a bigger problem. And that is police brutality on all black lives. So what is your plan, though? I mean, are you planning to, because look, you put your money into the store. Are you planning to reopen?
Starting point is 01:19:04 Are folks there raising money to help you? What's happening in that case? Yes, folks are raising money to help me. They are calling. They are lending a hand. We do have a GoFundMe page as well. The support has been amazing. What's the
Starting point is 01:19:19 GoFundMe page? What is it? It's Rebuild Guns and Roses Boutique. Got it. We can send you a link on that. Yeah, I'll search. I'll search it. Keep talking. I'll search for it.
Starting point is 01:19:28 Yes. So it's Rebuild Guns N' Roses Boutique. As you can see, we've been in business for eight years right in the heart of downtown Dallas. When I first went to the store that night, I was at dinner, and my alarm went off. And when I went to go see the store, when I pulled up at the store, I felt like something had happened. And I pulled up at the store and my initial response is, look at all my hard work. I put everything into my business. I was the only employee for a whole four year. So you could just imagine. So that first night, Saturday morning at one
Starting point is 01:20:03 o'clock a.m. I was violated. I felt like som to my home. I'm at my bus at home. So yeah, it was that next day I got a chan look at the bigger picture God chose me to tell this I'm grateful for the support.
Starting point is 01:20:26 I am grateful to be able to speak on your platform today and talk to other entrepreneurs and let them know the highs and the lows of business. You know, this is just a low. We'll be back. We'll be back bigger, better, and bolder than before. And go to my iPad, please. We have the page up.
Starting point is 01:20:43 And so in just six days, there was $100,000 goal. And in just six days, 4,000 donors have contributed $117,846. Praise God. Well, Princess, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch, and good luck in rebuilding your store. And keep doing your great things that you do for the community. I've watched you for a number of years, and I just want to say thank you, Mr. Martin, for having me on your show today.
Starting point is 01:21:11 You can call me Roland. Mr. Martin, my daddy. I'm Roland. I appreciate it. So when I come back to Dallas and visit my parents, I'll swing by your place. Please do. Have a blessed day. All right.
Starting point is 01:21:22 Thanks a bunch. I appreciate it. All right, folks, let's talk about something here. Please do. Have a blessed day. So you see in this photo here, I see K. Cole James. I think I see Angela Saylor. I see Pastor A.R. Bernard. I see L. Roy Saylor. And I don't recognize a couple other folks. Then I also see Candace Owens. Hmm.
Starting point is 01:22:01 Now, I had somebody, a fellow journalist, who emailed me yesterday. And she said, you know, Roland, stop giving her attention. We should not even mention her name. We should not even bring it up. And I respectfully disagree. The reason I disagree is because of that photo. When you have somebody who is so evil and destructive in their thoughts and in their comments
Starting point is 01:22:34 and the things that they say about African Americans, and then they get called into a meeting with the vice president of the United States, when they have stood next to the president of the United States, when they have been in meetings with the president of the United States, when they have stood next to the president of the United States, when they have been in meetings with the president of the United States, I don't think for a second that we can somehow be silent and ignore that level of hate.
Starting point is 01:23:00 Yesterday, this hateful woman posted this on Facebook. I want to come out and say that I do not support George Floyd and the media depiction of him as a martyr for black America. All right. So that was a 17 minute video. I think that's long as y'all pull. Actually, I want something longer, but that's fine. So in this video, she trashes George Floyd.
Starting point is 01:23:30 She talks about his criminal history. He's not a martyr. She does say that, I think, I want the family to get justice, but she goes on and trashes him. Then you got Brandon Tatum. I talked about that thuggish conservative who goes out there, and he was saying things. He's posting the police reports of George Floyd online.
Starting point is 01:23:52 And the thing that's important to understand is that there are no perfect victims. There are no individuals with pristine resumes. It's not always the case. Jonathan Farrell played football at Florida A&M, shot and killed by a cop in Charlotte. Cop got off scot-free. Jonathan was a hard worker, good brother.
Starting point is 01:24:19 He was a gospel singer in Florida. Pulled to the side of the road. Cop in an unmarked van approached him. Ended up shooting him dead. That cop was convicted. I can go on and on and on. But when people like Candace Owens set out to be so destructive
Starting point is 01:24:37 against African Americans, what they're actually doing is they're playing to white supremacy. See, what you have to understand is this here. There are white folks in America who love nothing more than to find a black person who would say some of the most evil and vile things about other black people. Because, see, then they get to speak to black people through that black person. Oh yes, over the years, we've seen the grifters. We've seen the folks like Candace Owens,
Starting point is 01:25:14 folks like Larry Elder, folks like Jesse Lee Peterson. And we can go on and on and on. Well, they trot them out to trash and attack black people and hold themselves up to be somehow these esteemed African Americans. This is the same Candace Owens who
Starting point is 01:25:36 used the NAACP to get a settlement from her school district over the issue of race. But the same one now who would trash the very NAACP who stood there for her. See, I called them out because they deserve to be called out. See, if I'm gonna call out Tucker Carlson
Starting point is 01:25:58 and Laura Ingram and Senator Rand Paul, and I'm gonna call out all these other people, folks, I'm going to call out all these other people's folks. I'm going to also call out the black folks. Because everybody that's your skin folk ain't your kin folk. And do understand
Starting point is 01:26:15 there's a reason why the Candace Owens of the world and the Brandon Tatums of the world there's a reason why they are afraid to come here. There's a reason why they are afraid to come here. There's a reason why they are afraid when they have a little Blexit conference where our credential had gotten approved,
Starting point is 01:26:34 but they then rescinded it. Because she, when we were sitting out in front of the White House and Candace saw me and threw an evil look at me and what are you doing here and i said i'm sorry i cover black stuff this is this not a black event and then she stood there in her little gray flannel outfit and she was angry you see you called me an uncle tom and that's why i
Starting point is 01:26:58 blocked you first of all she's a lie because i don't allow people to call black Republicans or black conservatives, Uncle Toms or Coons or sellouts or Oreos. I don't allow it. So she was lying. And I told her little minion running behind her, he said, well, we have the evidence. I said, bring me the evidence. Y'all, we're still waiting.
Starting point is 01:27:23 The reason you must always at every point call liars out like candace owens the reason you must call out hateful evil people who say the things that she does about black folks is because somebody else might be listening to them. There's a reason why I don't let people come on this show and lie. Because, see, if you're watching this show and somebody lies on this show, you will then go, well, Rolla didn't correct them, so what they said must be true. No, I don't allow it. And so I will always call out trifling folks like Candace Owens. And if I see them in person,
Starting point is 01:28:14 I'll look them dead in the eye, just like I did Charlie Kirk, who said, oh, no, we're debating one day, but I got to go ask Candace first. See, y'all got to understand something. When you read Scripture, and you remember when, uh, evil would lose their mind
Starting point is 01:28:39 and start squealing and hollering when good folk walk by. See, light and darkness do not go together. Me, I'm a big-ass spotlight against the darkness of folks like Candace Owens and Brandon Tatum. I am more than willing to debate any of them. I had Dinesh D'Souza right here. I'll welcome any of them to the table. In fact, I'll go to their table. Pick where you want to
Starting point is 01:29:12 debate. Pick a day, pick a time, pick a location, and I'll be there. In fact, y'all can pack the place with all your supporters. I'll slay each one of them the entire night. But we as black folks who understand what's moral and just can never be silent when evil is in our midst and even when they look like one of us. Any thoughts, Wendy, Rob, or Derrick? Mr. Martin, well, I'll say thank you, Mr. Martin, for allowing me to be on your show. Wendy! Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:53 So, you know, I find the whole phenomenon of Candace Owens to be interesting because it's not just her making these comments. It's what she represents. I have been on Fox News several times and I have called her out and said, I am willing to debate you because she never goes into an argument or a conversation without being checked, so to speak. And I think that that's really important. And I'm glad that you're saying her name because we need to know that she's pandering and lies. And the thing with Candace Owens, I think is so important that we all need to know is that she is a pawn. She is being used as a pawn in the chess game that is politics and the chess game that is issues of race in this country. So I understand that people need to get their coin. I get it. But if you are selling your soul to secure a bag,
Starting point is 01:30:55 then you need to really check yourself because you're selling out the very people who, as Roland mentioned, saved you when you needed us. So don't expect when these white people turn their back on you, because they will. They will. It's only a matter of time. They will do you the same way they did Diamond and Silk. When they're done using and abusing you, they're going to throw you to the trash. Do not come to us to save you. Period. Rob?
Starting point is 01:31:25 I'm done. Yeah, well, you guys covered it. I'll just say that she clearly doesn't love herself. She doesn't love black people. And she will do anything to make money, and she'll do anything and say anything. She figures out what's the furthest I can go, the most right-wing, the most self-hating I can go, and then take that position and go even further because that's her business model. Her business model is to say outrageous things, do outrageous things.
Starting point is 01:31:52 And I agree a little bit with the person that said we shouldn't talk about her because I was debating that. We are giving her a platform. She likes this. She likes the fact that she can go and talk to Fox News and say, look, Roland Martin talks bad about me. Like at the end of the day, she is nothing. She has she she has her one skill. And it's a great she's good at it is marketing herself and figuring out how to get in front of the cameras to say things that can resonate to a base.
Starting point is 01:32:18 She's looking to the racist base that she's looking to get inflamed and or to validate their opinion. You know, she wants to make them say it's OK for you not to see George Floyd as a human. That's why it's dangerous. That's why it's dangerous. Derek, final comment. Go. I know I was going to say I agree with everything you guys said. And it frustrates me because, you know, I'm in I'm in places where I hear people like, well, did you see what Candace Owens said? Did you see what Candace Owens wrote? It's like, it bothers the hell out of me because if you have to look at her and that other dude that you just, I ain't going to call his name out, but if you look at them two, they're the exact reasons why, well, they are two of the reasons why black people,
Starting point is 01:32:58 and along with this president, would never ever even consider the Republican Party. And so she is, What she said about Floyd, it's a disgrace. And it puts a whole different... It just dampens everything that we're working for right now during this movement. And I'm mad that we even gave her this much time.
Starting point is 01:33:17 Nah, see, the reason I did it again is because when you get called to sit at the table of power, you can wreak havoc. And there may be a young African-American, there may be a white person, a Hispanic person, who hears her and goes,
Starting point is 01:33:39 oh, my God, she's making so much sense. But if there's no counter to that, then we allow it to happen. But the problem is, Roland, that people are not going to hear the counter because we can go through how social media works. Social media will work where it can just go echo chamber. So the issue is, like, people will hear her, they will hear Candace Owens, and they're not going to hear you because... Not true.
Starting point is 01:34:09 You're not who they want to hear. No, no, no, no. Rob, you're missing it. This is what you're missing. When they type her name into YouTube and the algorithm, my video will come up. See? Trust me.
Starting point is 01:34:23 I also know how this game works. So what happens is the part of the reason in doing this is, and I'm just using an example, when Snoop Dogg did a video, and he criticized Roots,
Starting point is 01:34:39 the remake of Roots, I took exception to what he had to say. And when I typed in Snoop Dogg and Roots. I took exception to what he had to say. And when I typed in Snoop Dogg and Roots in Google, I saw how his comments went global. I then came back and did a commentary against what Snoop Dogg said. Guess what happened to that commentary? It went global.
Starting point is 01:35:03 Now, Snoop fired back at me. I didn't need to fire back again. He and I eventually talked. We passed it up. But I did it because had I not done it, there would have never been a counter to what he had to say. So, sure, she's got two million on Facebook and, you know, a million on Twitter or whatever. But here's sure, she's got two million on Facebook and, you know,
Starting point is 01:35:25 a million on Twitter or whatever, but here's the piece. I got a million on Facebook. I got 550,000 on Twitter. 481,000 on Instagram. 512,000 on YouTube. And so the point I'm making is this here. You cannot let something,
Starting point is 01:35:42 you can't let evil or lies stand alone. See, that's what the media did with Donald Trump. What the media, what mainstream media did was, mainstream media would not check Donald Trump in the moment. Oh, if he wins, you know, the presidency. But Donald Trump was running for president, though. So you're making the point that I see it as a great strategic point.
Starting point is 01:36:03 It's anybody. It's nobody. It's anybody. Rob, you're a talk show host. Right. No, point that I see it as a great strategic point. It's anybody. It's nobody. It's anybody. Rob, you're a talk show host. Right. No, no, I get it. I have my talk show. I do the same thing.
Starting point is 01:36:10 But what I'm trying to say is I guess it's just a point of frustration that she has so much reach. And she's giving so much ignorance and hate. No, no, no, no, no. See, I ain't frustrated by that. Because I already told you what the deal is. There are white people. First of all candace followers ain't black right there are white people who love the candace owens because she gets to say
Starting point is 01:36:33 stuff they can't that's correct so that's why they support her she's in the marketplace yeah that's what it is she's a puppet and and when they will And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Okay? You saw that little photo there of Pence. I know A.R. Bernard and K. Cole James and Angela Saylor and Elroy Saylor.
Starting point is 01:36:58 I've had them all on the show. Guess what? They ain't calling them from certain stuff. They not calling Derrick. They not calling, because see, there's a segment of the Republican Party who adores Diamond and Silk. They love Candace Owens. They love Brandon Tatum because they love Terrence Williams. They get to sit back and watch the minstrel show. Remember, minstrel shows had fans. Which is the problem with the Republican Party, which, you know, they allow and they encourage, and, you know, it used to be a dog whistle.
Starting point is 01:37:39 With this president, it's a horn to races. It's a bullhorn. He's really, really clear. And so that is the problem. You know, if the Republican Party wants to actually attract voters of color right now, they don't. Their goal right now is to figure out ways to keep black voters and other voters from voting and just appeal to the most extreme to racism that has to be drowned out. And I hope for the day I hope for the day when the Republican Party does that and we can take my humanity off the table.
Starting point is 01:38:07 It's not a political issue is what I said, period. Bottom line, Derek, you never let evil stand by itself. It always has to be countered. And even if you think you're whistling in the wind, trust me, somebody will hear that whistle. That's important. Agreed. All right, y'all, I got to will hear that whistle. That's important. Agreed. All right, y'all, I gotta go to a break.
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Starting point is 01:39:40 We thank them for partnering with us. All right, folks. A lot of athletes talking this week. Laura Ingram, remember when she had something to say about LeBron and KD, but then all of a sudden this week, she's all gung-ho about Drew Brees? Watch. And now an update on a segment we brought you last night. I expressed concern that New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees was being subjected to withering criticism for answering a question about what NFL protests might look like next season.
Starting point is 01:40:13 All right, that's the response. I need the original video. Play that one, please. It's always unwise to seek political advice from someone who gets paid $100 million a year to bounce a ball. Oh, and LeBron and Kevin, you're great players, but no one voted for you. Millions elected Trump to be their coach.
Starting point is 01:40:33 So keep the political commentary to yourself, or as someone once said, shut up and dribble. Well, he's allowed to have his view about what kneeling and the flag means to him. I mean, he's a person. He has some worth, I would imagine. I mean, this is beyond football, though. This is totalitarian conduct. This is Stalinist. And by the way, on the streets of New Orleans, we're looking at live pictures.
Starting point is 01:41:01 They're shouting F Drew Brees. That's what this moment has done to the beautiful team spirit of the New Orleans Saints. This is a great, he's a great Christian man. Oh, he's a great Christian man. Don't you just love white fragility? How they can trash LeBron James and Kevin Durant for criticizing Trump and speaking about political issues and say, shut up and just dribble. But then they never say, Drew, just shut up and throw. See, there's somebody who might say, again,
Starting point is 01:41:35 just like the other child, oh, just ignore them. Not when you look at their ratings. You must always call a hypocrite out when you see one, and that's exactly who Laura Ingraham is. And then, of course, she did this little video where she responded, and I'm not going to play it. We played a little bit earlier, but I'm not going to play it,
Starting point is 01:41:54 where she's like, well, we need to have more dialogue. Really? But, Laura, you and your staff, y'all are scared to debate a person like me. Y'all are scared to have the dialogue. Oh. Y'all are scared to have a dialogue. Oh, y'all got my number. The CEO of Fox News has my number and email. But it's amazing how y'all won't call certain people.
Starting point is 01:42:13 See, I think the reason y'all won't call certain people is because you're afraid that your largely white audience might actually begin to hear the truth. The fact of the matter is, there are white folks in this country who have never liked black athletes standing up. They despised Muhammad Ali. Oh, go back and look at some of the columns. You see sportscaster Brent Musburger?
Starting point is 01:42:38 Oh, go back and read the comments that he had to say about John Carlos and Tommy Smith after they protested in 1968 in Mexico City. And he still refuses to apologize for those comments. Just look at the hateful comments you hear on sports talk radio and newspaper columns about black athletes today who are standing up and using their voice in fighting. Oh, I know we're now living in this whole different world where everybody, all the little networks, everybody's releasing their little statements and it's all goody-goody. No, no, no, no, no. But go back 10, 15, 20 years. And that was not the case. See, the real issue for
Starting point is 01:43:17 people like Laura Ingraham is that when you got black folks with money, they don't give a damn what you think. LeBron James could buy a Laura Ingraham. So could Kevin Durant. That's why they can't stand when you become an uppity black and you use your dollars to help the community. See, they know the power of LeBron James. They simply fear when he uses it. Y'all do remember that scene in the movie Malcolm X, which I just love, when my man Malcolm, played by Denzel, raises his hand and then just sort of points that way. And the fruit of hislam follows and the white
Starting point is 01:44:06 cops say that's just too much power for one man to have that actually what he said in real life in real life he said that's too much power for one to have what you're dealing with is you're dealing with a country that can't handle black power that can't handle it when you got black men who are not afraid to use their power. When they started having 60 and 70 and 80 million followers on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter, they began to marshal those resources. You go to Quibi and you watch the documentary Blackballed, a documentary about Donald Sterling. Do you know why the NBA, Adam Silver,
Starting point is 01:44:53 had no choice but to move? Because that was about to be a reckoning in the NBA. They literally were about to see black ball players boycott the playoffs unless something was done against Donald Sterling. That's what the Laura Ingrams can't stand. They love it when the Drew Brees of the world tout the flag, but they don't want to hear a black athlete take a knee. They will ridicule them, condemn them, trash them, call them anti-American because they are speaking the right language to their white viewers. Folks, understand game, recognize game. And I love to see these brothers kicking Drew Brees' ass. Because what they're saying is, we also are the reason you got those yards.
Starting point is 01:45:39 You might be able to throw it, but you can't catch it either. But he catching hell right now. And the Lord England of the you can't catch it either. But he catching hell right now. And the Lord of the world can't stand it because we're not going back to the other America. Remember the movie Rising Sun? And that scene when Wesley
Starting point is 01:45:57 Snipes was at a valet and a white guy said to him, where's our car wesley said wrong man wrong fucking century that's black athletes today laura ingram final comments wendy derrick and rob i i i think he's rolling i think he said it well I think that you just crystallized everything that everyone is feeling. The hypocrisy that is Laura Ingraham for her to say that LeBron James should shut up and dribble, but then says that Drew Brees has a right to his opinion. It is hypocrisy. And what
Starting point is 01:46:41 I'm loving and what I want us to highlight is the ways in which these athletes, these celebrities, are using their power, their privilege, to move forth the narrative of Black excellence. So I applaud LeBron James. I applaud Cardi B. I applaud Beyonce. I applaud them for using their platform because the truth of the matter is white people love to say, we don't see color. They love to use that term, we don't see color. And what these people are saying to them is, no, you're going to see my color. And my color is I am black. You can't no longer stand behind me and say, I like the Lakers, and therefore I tolerate these black men, or I like this music, and therefore I tolerate
Starting point is 01:47:28 this black woman that is singing these songs. No, you are going to now start to see people saying, you are not only going to be a fan of what I do, but you have to be a fan of who I represent. And who they represent is blackness, and I love it. Derek? Look, Laura Eagle, was out of bounds. She said, shut up and dribble.
Starting point is 01:47:49 I watched that show. I remember when she said that, I was like, ooh, you shouldn't have said that. But I look at Drew Brees, man, and I read his apology. It was very well written. It seemed like it came from the heart. It was genuine, that kind of thing. I also look at Drew Brees, man.
Starting point is 01:48:04 This dude, on March 26th, he donated $5 million to Louisiana and pledged to deliver 10,000 meals a day. And he's done more for that city down there. So just to call him out and be like, F. Drew Brees, F. Drew Brees, but his statement after he apologized, I think I think, you know, I think that's a bit much. You know, I think that's a bit much on the rubric. Nah, he did come back.
Starting point is 01:48:30 He did come back. Real quick, real quick, real quick. I just think it's so important. Like, you know, even we saw this on blackout Tuesday, we saw individuals, white people putting up these black squares. You have to do more than that.
Starting point is 01:48:45 People are giving people grubby points because they're saying that they're allies. It's not about allyship. We need accomplices in this movement. You cannot sit by and just be an ally. You need to be shoulder to shoulder with us in this movement as an accomplice. If I go to jail for marching, you go to jail for marching. That's what we need. So do not tell Drew Brees what he's given
Starting point is 01:49:10 to Louisiana. When it came time for him to be an accomplice in the movement, he chose not to. So no, you do not get brownie points for your allyship. We only need accomplices in this movement. Rob, one second. One second.
Starting point is 01:49:24 One second. Rob. one second, one second, one second. One second, one second. Rob. Yeah, leadership matters. And look, he is leading the team of mostly black players. He was way out alive. He believed those things he believed. But look, he apologized. So look, now the players should make him do more and use this opportunity.
Starting point is 01:49:39 It is a process. So look, they could be allies. They could be accomplices. We got to get people wherever we can get them. Because in order for us to get to where we need to get to, we need more white people on board too. So whatever it takes to get people, if they're willing to push him further, get him out there,
Starting point is 01:49:53 push him out there further because for us to move forward, other white people are going to have to convince other white people. Black people, we know what we've been going through forever. We've been saying it forever. Nobody's believed us. It had to take a man on camera dying, breathing for his last breath. The people say, oh, maybe something's wrong. Something's always been wrong.
Starting point is 01:50:11 But we really need to change it this time. All right, folks. Got to go to a real quick break. First of all, thanks to the panel. Thank you so very much. We come back. Comedian Broderick's in the house. Thank you, Mr. Martin.
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Starting point is 01:50:54 on a good note. Comedian Broderick Rice is in the house. What's up, Doc? Hey, hey, hey. What's going on? All is well. All is well, man. I'm hanging in there. You hanging in there?
Starting point is 01:51:09 Yes, sir. I can't see you. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. We can see you. That's all that matters. So, Broderick, what do you make of how church has changed and all these folk got to go to church via computer? Hey, let me tell you something.
Starting point is 01:51:26 Uh, and first of all, thank you for allowing me to be on your platform. I don't know if you remember. I do. We were at an i... We were at an NFL event. I was backstage trying to take a picture with a beautiful woman, and it was too dark.
Starting point is 01:51:40 You came along in your ascot, and you showed me how to use my phone, turn on the flashlight, and then take the picture. Right. Hey, listen, I just want to say thank you. I don't know if you remember that. No, the Emmitt Smith charity event. You were emceeing.
Starting point is 01:52:01 Yes, sir, you do. You do remember. How do you think you got invited? You know, now I know. You gave me your number that night. Now I know. Yeah, that's what's up. So, okay, so you do this great impersonations of preachers.
Starting point is 01:52:19 How can a preacher really preach via laptop? Well, you know what? I'll tell you one thing. I'm going to tell you the first part. Everybody don't need to be trying. I think, and I'm not putting that, this is your real talk. There's some minister, they wasn't ready. They wasn't ready.
Starting point is 01:52:42 And so now that this moment has come between COVID and the latest atrocity, you know, watch this. There has been a paradigm shift. See, I come from the old school, sir. I come from the old school. So you know what? Many of them are making the adjustment, but then, unfortunately, a lot of them are going to be left behind because, you know, the way their minds think.
Starting point is 01:53:11 Look, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm not trying to go to church soon because, look, I ain't trying to hug nobody, touch nobody. No, hey, hey, hey, listen. I said, I wish a preacher would tell me to touch your neighbor.
Starting point is 01:53:26 And no, no, no, no, no. Now, I'm going to wait until the Lord showed me his mighty power. Now, a couple of brothers and sisters might have to drop off, Roland. And then after enough, I'm going to go home. Because the song said, soon and very soon, we are going to go home because the song said soon and very soon we are going to see the king. Let them go see the king and let them work on a vaccine
Starting point is 01:53:51 and listen, hey brother, we need an extra thick vaccine for the black folk. We need an extra thick, whatever they create, make it extra thick for us and then I'll go on back. Hey, Roland, I just started a mega church
Starting point is 01:54:08 right now. All I need is 10 people. It's 10 people. Listen, I can have five services ministering to 50 people over that period. It's so funny. Roland, let me tell you something. I live in a white neighborhood and
Starting point is 01:54:24 not because I'm rich, it's just I was able to work out a deal because I was traumatized when I was living in the hood. I grew up in Compton, man. I'm so glad. I'm so glad. But listen, let me tell you something. I keep up with the white people. See, it's two sets of rules. This is not jokes. It's two sets of rules. One for white people, one for black people. I see white people jaywalking, eight police cars sitting right there. All the police do is just wave at them. If I look like I'm about to stick my foot out in the street at the wrong time, they got to SWAT units in on me. Roland, I was walking down the street. This is no lie. I was walking down the street in October and the police pulled up on me because they said that I fit the description of caught was. Didn't look like me. The brother was fair-skinned. God made me late at night rolling. God made me late at night, late at night. I'm not mixed with nothing but Negro.
Starting point is 01:55:33 I'm all Negro. He made me at night. Just before the Lord was getting ready to go to bed, he made me. Now, the red-boned and the high-yellow black people, no, he made them when he first woke up. And it was the first time, Roland, in 54 years, I had experienced what a lot of my brothers go through pretty much on a daily, weekly basis. And I have to tell you, Roland, I'm a Christian. I love the Lord.
Starting point is 01:56:03 But I have cried. I have cuss you, I'm a Christian. I love the Lord, but I have cried. I have cussed. Okay. I have, I mean, it's just been a range of emotions because it's so real. And to see that tape of a black man dying. No, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Please forgive me.
Starting point is 01:56:24 Of a black man dying. No, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Of a black man being murdered. Roland, it has wakened up to a new level, the black man in me. I've been putting some posts on my social media, you know, and I'm 55.
Starting point is 01:56:38 It's time for me to come out and say some things and do some things. And I know some people don't like it. I'm not just talking about white people don't like it, because a lot of people, white people, they get with it. But it's a lot of black people, unfortunately, you know, who are telling me to pray and to seek the Lord
Starting point is 01:56:57 and let God handle it and let the Holy Spirit come and pray and shut up a honda. You know, but listen, Roland, I don't want to, listen, this may sound crazy. I don't want to stand before the Lord and he say, why didn't you say something? Why didn't you do something? Now, you remember in the Bible, Moses killed somebody. Now, Moses was living in the lap of Egyptian luxury. But Moses saw his people being abused.
Starting point is 01:57:26 Moses killed somebody. He killed an Egyptian because of what that Egyptian was doing to his brother. Right. So I'm not going to kill nobody or whatever, but I have more to say. I'm going to be doing some live casts and things of that nature because there's something that needs to be said to the global community, but there's some things that need to be said to the black Christian community
Starting point is 01:57:51 and to the white Christian community. I said something the other day, Roland. But if you're going to say something to them, it better be on Zoom, Microsoft Teams, or on Skype because it ain't going to be in person. Now, why would you say that, sir? Because it ain't gonna be in person. I got... Now, why would you say that, sir? Because we ain't meeting in person because coronavirus don't play.
Starting point is 01:58:10 I got to ask... That's right. I got to ask... If it get really bad and if I have to say it, I'm going in just like this. I got to ask you this last question before we go. We got to go real quick. Are people on YouTube saying,
Starting point is 01:58:26 why is he wearing glasses with no frame? Why is he wearing frames with no lens? You see, because I'm woke and I can see what's going on better. See, back up off of me. I can see what's going on better. Broderick, what's the cash app? It is.
Starting point is 01:58:44 Hashtag Broderick Rice. No middle initial. Hashtag Broderick, what's the Cash App? It is Cash Tag Broderick Rice. No middle initial. Cash Tag Broderick Rice. Thank you so much, Roland. I appreciate it, sir. Broderick, thanks so much, man. Thank you very much. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 01:58:54 All right, folks. We got to go. Check me out Sunday. I'll be on Alleyville. She at 8 a.m. hours. So check it out. All right, y'all. We got to bounce.
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