#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 7.1.19 RMU: FL Gov signs poll tax bill; Roland dismantles Black purity test used against Sen. Harris

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

7.1.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs a "poll tax" bill that targets returned citizens; Roland dismantles the foolish Black purity test that is used to question Sen. Harris Blackness; African Americans are being arrested simply for trying to live their lives and We have video footage to prove it; Connecticut and Florida cops seem to be just making it up as they go; Two legends in the Black community are honored in their hometown. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Two legends of the black community are honored in their hometown. And I'm going to deal with this whole issue of blackness and senator kamala harris you know these folks these american descendants of slaves how many of them have actually even done a search of their own background even understand where the hell they are from i'm gonna show you how this black purity test is really some of the dumbest shit you've ever seen. Oh yeah, it's time to bring the funk and roll the mic on the filter. Let's go. He's knowing, putting it down from sports to news to politics With entertainment just for gigs He's rolling with some go-go-royale It's rolling, Martin, yeah

Rolling with rolling now He's funky, he's fresh, he's real, the best you when Amendment 4 passed in Florida in November that it was going to be an issue. Republicans were not going to sit quietly and watch upwards of 1.4 million people get a chance to register to vote. 65% of voters in Florida passed this particular bill, a bipartisan effort. Well, guess what? Republicans now have signed a bill into law, Governor Ron DeSantis, saying that in order for those folks to get the right to vote, they must pay back all fines and penalties, even though that was not what was specified in the amendment. As a result, the Brennan Center, the ACLU, and the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, they have filed a lawsuit against the state of Florida as it relates to this

particular measure. It was Friday where Governor Ron DeSantis signed into law this bill limiting how many felons, excuse me, formerly incarcerated folks will be able to vote. Now, here's the key here. That is, you've got, again, upwards of a million four folks there. Now, this morning on the Tom Jordan Morning Show, I talked with Desmond Meade, the brother who spent a decade with the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition trying to get this passed. He said out of the million-four, about 850,000 or so have fines or fees that no more than $1,200. But half a million exceeds that. They've also started a campaign where they're raising money to help folks pay those fees back.

We will, of course, talk about that with our guests here. I thought we had a guest with the Brennan Center, folks. Do we still have him? I'm here. Okay, are you there? Sorry, it wasn't in the script here. And so, first of all all glad to have you here how so how's it going it's going great i'm so uh glad to be talking about this important issue and thank you for sharing this with your uh viewership um this i've been following

this i work with sheena i work with Desmond on this, raising the awareness. And I and I told them and Desmond's like, yeah, Roland, you keep reminding me you did. I said, do not trust Republicans in Florida. We were all excited on Election Day in November 2018. And I said they are not going to sit idly by and allow upwards of one point four million people to get the right to vote known full well, that could change the outcome of elections in that state, not only in these off elections this year in 2019, but also in 2020. And this bill that critics are calling a poll tax, that's exactly what this is. This is meant to disenfranchise folks and to ignore the will of the voters.

The law is outrageous and illegal, and that's why we're challenging it. You're exactly right. When we passed this law, passed the amendment back in November, it was a historic move. It was a great explanation of how, with the right issue and the right people, you can get people of all political stripes behind an important topic of the day. This would have been an opportunity for Florida to put in the past some of its most shameful history. And right now, the legislature has made it very, very plain that they intend to be dragged kicking and streaming into modernity and into a world where it doesn't matter what your skin color is, that we all have the right to a free, fair and accessible vote. And so with this particular lawsuit, again, I talked to Desmond

this morning, his group, they are not a part of the lawsuit. It's the Brennan Center, it's the ACLU, and it's NAACP LDF. And so are you suing to get this law declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court there in Florida? What we are doing is we filed a lawsuit in federal court where we are asking the court to look at various constitutional protections. And we think that when the court does that, the court's determination will be that this law is illegal because it is a poll tax, because it is unclear and it is vague, because it unreasonably burdens the right to vote, because it was enacted with the purpose of discriminating against minority voters. And the effort that Desmond and others are doing

is also equally important because the courts are not a quick process. It's going to take a while for this to work its way through its system. And everyone that we can get to pay off their fees and fines, we should. One of the challenges that everyone is going to face is that the data is so bad and the databases are not connected and talking to each other. So there may be some people that just simply may not know what sort of fees or legal obligations that they have outstanding. And there may be others that aren't 100% confident that they will not find something that they miss later on and will later get in trouble for it. That's one of the most pernicious aspects of the law. Like you're only eligible if you are off your probation and off your parole. These are people who have really made an effort to

reintegrate into our society to be able to contribute and the fear that they may be inadvertently doing something wrong, that they may be inadvertently doing something wrong, like they may be inadvertently messing up in voting if they have this fine or fee that they don't know about, it's going to have an enormous chilling effect. It's going to make people second guess whether or not they should register to vote. And that is terrible. That is really, really awful. The whole point behind Amendment 4 was to bring more people back into our community. And this really terrible and outrageous legislation is going to be a big impediment to that. All right, then. Myrna Perez, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks for the great work of the Brennan Center. Thanks a lot. Thank you for having me.

All right, folks, let's talk about this. My panel, Dr. Avis Jones-DeWeaver, leadership political analyst, also leadership strategist, Dr. Cleo Monago, social political analyst, as well as activist. And Brooke Thomas, she is with the Young Turks out of Los Angeles. Brooke, I'll start with you. I kept explaining to folks, again, I never trusted Republicans in Florida. I never believed that they were going to sit quietly by and allow this. They sent the signal, and this governor made it perfectly clear that they want to make it harder for people. Do you see this as being a poll tax?

And your thoughts on this lawsuit? Yeah, it's absolutely a poll tax. And I'm happy, at least, that this is something that the ACLU is willing to fight. And, of course, this is something the ACLU is willing to fight. But I am of the position that the government, for no reason, should be able to disenfranchise any American, for no reason. I am all about people currently in prison voting, let alone a situation where the voters of this state have overwhelmingly decided this is what they want. And still, the governor comes in and says, that doesn't matter. We are going to reinterpret this a different way.

And it's unfair. And I think the citizens of the state should what their voices should matter more and it should be heard. Avis, again, all the excitement that people had, they thought this would definitely change. And Republicans, first of all, tried to stop folks saying, oh, well, we're not quite sure. And then the election administrators who were saying, look, we have no guidance from you guys in terms of what and what in the heck it is that we should do. And the Republicans in the House and the Senate did not care. This also ties into the Supreme Court decision dealing with political gerrymandering because they were able to do this because they have a super majority in the legislature there in Florida. Absolutely. So, you know, as you mentioned, this was something that could have and should have been predicted. I mean, unfortunately, we cannot trust the Republican Party to in any way seek to enfranchise people.

In fact, they seek to do the exact opposite. Their modus operandi is to restrict voting as much as humanly possible, rather than to expand the franchise. And it's because, as we've mentioned many times on this show before, the demography of this nation is changing. And so what they are trying to do in Florida and large as a political strategy, all the way up to that Supreme Court decision, is to create a situation where we can have minority rule in this nation for eons to come. They are setting up a situation where a minority of the people, white people, quite frankly, because that's where we're going demographically, can continue to rule this country infinitum. Basically, they're trying to

set up an American version of South Africa apartheid, and that's exactly what they're doing. Cleo? Well, as I think we all know, the purpose of over-incarceration and disproportionately incarcerating black people is to create disenfranchisement. This legislation that the brother and his wife in Florida did compromises that agenda in terms of making sure that people who are over-incarcerated do not get to vote. So I think it's important that from the white supremacist perspective that this precedent that they broke is put back in place one way or the other. So DeSantis came up with this legislation, counter legislation that he came up with to control at all costs what they want to control, which is pretty much what Dr. DeWeaver just said. They want to keep white folks in power regardless of the numbers,

regardless of the dwindling power that they might have theoretically. And South Africa is a great metaphor for what they intend to do because they can't mess with the production problem that they have. They've been trying everything they can do to try to prevent that from being a problem. It is an issue. And people of color, so-called, mostly latinos are going to be outnumbering whites but um they're doing what they can to prevent that for having any kind of powerful impact all right so like and you and you said it i mean you said it clears the bell whenever when

we were interviewing them that they were going to do this so do you have a turban and a psychic? Well, you know, well, first of all, well, first of all, I might need that for this next story. And let's deal with this when it comes to this whole issue of blackness. This is what I said in, oh, let's see, the third year of Obama's term as president. Then when he got reelected, I said, the next black person who runs for president of the United States is going to have a very difficult task. I said, because you are going to have some black folks who are not going to give them the same runway they gave President Barack Obama. And what you have seen thus far, specifically when it comes to Senator Kamala Harris, is you actually are seeing that.

Yesterday, I was on MSNBC and we're talking about this whole idea of they were talking about Donald Trump Jr. retweeting someone who said that, oh, did you know that Senator Kamala Harris, her father is Jamaican and her mother is Indian? And then, of course, he later deleted that particular tweet. And I went on and I said that there is a significant problem when you talk about this whole issue of blackness because it is black hate cloaked in black love. So what you've had, you've had all these folks who call themselves ADOS, American Descendants of Slaves. And so they've been out here talking about this particular agenda. And what I find to be interesting is that in which folks also don't want to deal with is there is a significant hate towards immigrants, even black immigrants,

when it comes to ADOS. I can say that because I've had some of these damn fools literally hit me up saying, oh, you're not really ADOS because your paternal great grandparents migrated from Haiti, which is really stupid and asinine when you realize that I was born in Houston, Texas. My mama was born in Houston. My daddy was born in Houston. And so I can actually trace lineage back. And the reason this thing is stupid and asinine, because these folks somehow believe that they somehow have cornered this idea of creating a black agenda for ADOS people. Okay. And this, and then the reason I have contempt for many of them. Now, there are some people who truly believe in terms of candidates should have a black agenda and

speaking to the issue of African-Americans. I've spent my whole life doing that. Some of these fake ass people all of a sudden decided to just wake up in the last two or three years where those of us like me, I've run three black newspapers. My first internship was with a black newspaper in 1990. Due to math, 2019, 1990, you'll understand what I'm talking about. But the reason why this is stupid, because what you have is you do have people who are questioning her blackness. Now, first of all, if you deal with that phrase itself, who is black, you can actually have a daddy who's from Jamaica, mama Indian, and you still black African-American saying I'm from the United States. It's a whole different deal. She also was born in the United States. So let's not act like that. Somehow that also doesn't exist. But this thing goes to in terms of what

are your interest in issues and concerns well if you actually study uh senator kamala harris she hasn't look at her whole career she's never actually represented a quote black district if you're a member of congress and your district is 50 55 60 65 percent black okay that's a whole different deal but when you be a district attorney when you've been oh attorney general when you've been oh united states senator it's a whole different deal in terms of who you represent then you have the people who are saying well uh she's now she's claiming black when actually that's not true but let's break this thing down. So if you listen to the folks who's who on the 80s movement, they make the argument that, well, because she's not really from here, she doesn't have the interest of black people. OK. So please explain to me, Clarence Thomas. He's from here. He doesn't have relatives who immigrated from elsewhere. He's from rural Georgia. He can trace his lineage back to slavery. So what do we say about him. See, the reason this is a dumb conversation, because I can show you somebody

who is not from here, but who fought on behalf of black people. Y'all ever heard of Shirley Chisholm? Now, let me compare Shirley Chisholm and Clarence Thomas. Shirley Chisholm's people are where verbatim not from here clarence thomas is from here there's an ideological difference so if you are studying different people there are people who have ideological differences now why am i also calling these folks out? Because this black purity test, again, is dumb. Because we've seen it before. You know what we've seen before? When we question black people who grew up in the suburbs. See, again, if y'all want to have this discussion about, well,

who's ADOS and whose people can trace their lineage back well what happens then when we get somebody black who grew up in the suburbs and black people say well you're not really black yeah i know that you have it happens right so what do we say then? What do we then say to somebody who's black, who's ADOS, who can trace their history back? But they went to all white schools and they don't necessarily have the same perspective as other folks who are down. See, I love these folks who hit me on Twitter and hit me on Facebook and hit me on Instagram and, oh, Roland, you don't really believe this. When I've been on the front lines while a bunch of y'all been playing

video games, and now all of a sudden you woke because your ass been asleep sleep while those of us have been awake for a very long time if you want to question a person's policies that's fine when you start playing this game of blackness and what do they claim? Then you got dumb ass Boyce Watkins who then says, how did Kamala Harris go to an HBCU and bury a white man? As if you ain't never seen, but see, the real deal is that the only reason Boyce did that

cause he's an attention whore and he wants folks talking about him. That's why he did it. Yeah, I went ahead and said it. Okay? And so that's what you're dealing with there. The problem with all of this is it's a stupid conversation. Yes, it's stupid. Eric Holder, first black attorney general.

Okay? Sitting here right now, working on a campaign, dealing with Paws and Gerrymandering. Where his folks from? Barbados. General Colin Powell. Where his folks from? Yep, West Indies.

Harry Belafonte. Hey, where his folks from? Again, Malcolm X. mama from Grenada. Do y'all even understand we can go down the lines of a lot of black people who have been on the front lines in this country, fighting on behalf of black people who are not pure black people? That's what this thing is about. This literally is a black purity test and it's stupid

it's really stupid and some of y'all say well no we're not questioning your blackness yes you are game recognize game and we've seen this when people have questioned black folks who did but you're not really black because you didn't see we know the old deal you didn't grow up in the hood but what the hell is the hood i grew up in a whole i grew up in a black neighborhood oh we wasn't a project but it was an all-black neighborhood and in fact, it was the first master plan. One of the first master plan black communities by the racist department of housing, urban development,

1940s. Yeah. Real black. That's what I grew up in Clinton park in Houston. Okay. So does that make me fully black? And what is fully black? As a me having a mama and daddy in the house or coming from a single parent home?

Do you see how this is stupid? Do you see how this is nonsensical when we are literally spending time on that nonsense as opposed to the actual issues that impact us. And then I had somebody tell me, well, this is a year return where you can go back. For all y'all people who don't know a damn thing about what's happening in the world, seven of the 10 fastest growing economies in the world right now are in africa seven out of ten now black folks been saying forever oh we would love to be able to go back to the motherland have relationships so why are we creating dissension by trashing folks who are from black countries like Jamaica, Haiti, Bermuda, African nations, because we want to say, no, no, no, but you're not pure black.

You're not from here. That's not really, really your interest. It doesn't make any sense to me and it should be no part of this damn debate now if you again if you want to challenge senator kamala harris on issues go right ahead if you want to challenge senator cory booker on his issues go right ahead no problem but to literally be sitting here and having a dumb ass discussion about blackness. That to me is trifling. It is trifling. And the last point before I go to my panel, if you one of those folks who are sitting here and you're tweeting, you're talking and you're saying, oh, if they don't do this, I'm not going to vote.

You are dumb as hell. Donald Trump has already appointed more than 120 judges to the federal bench. More than likely, the Republicans will confirm another 40 to 50 before the election in 2020. That means if you sit your stupid ass at home and don't vote, and literally give him another four years, that means that he will more than likely appoint another 250 to 300 federal judges to the bench.

Right now, he's already appointed upwards of 20% of appellate judges. Now, what does that mean? For all the issues y'all care about, that means when you file a lawsuit, you're likely going to have a Trump appointee hear it in court, which means a right-wing judge. You just heard us talk about the lawsuit they're filing against Florida in federal court. That means and those judges will be anywhere from 35 to 45, which means they will be sitting on the bench for the next 30 to 40 to 50, possibly 60 years. That's right. That means that if you are a black kid today who's 18, there's going to be a federal judge appointed by Donald Trump who might be sitting on that bench when you are almost 70. But some of y'all are sitting here and you're saying, I'm not going to vote. It makes no sense. Now, what makes no sense is some of the rhetoric coming from you

and let me be real clear y'all can sit here and tweet me y'all can sit here and cuss me out i really don't give a damn y'all can sit here and try to question my blackness and you know what i just quote della reese from hall of night kiss my entire ass. This is dumb. And there, because there are people who are not from this country who have fought along with besides

folks who are from this country because they said the African diaspora is important. And oh, by the way, if you sitting here want to talk all this smack, then you want to dog folks who are not from, who are not purely black. Well, damn it, stop quoting the slave uprising in Haiti. The first successful slave revolt in the Western Hemisphere.

Well, then stop quoting other individuals who are not from here because all you're doing is embarrassing yourselves and you really have no understanding of black history and when i say black history yeah black history history here and in other black countries. Cleo. Well, your entire ass? Okay. No, entire ass. Okay. I'm going to leave that alone. I love some food.

Rolling is shook. No, I just wanted to go ahead and say it because I'm tired of stuck on stupid people, such as you, Haywood Johnson. Rolling. So if you post a comment, trust me, I'm going to call you out people such as you. Hey, Wood Johnson. Roland. So if you post a comment, trust me, I'm going to call you out. Go ahead, Cleo. I have not followed this 8OS track that you're referring to,

so I don't know what that all entails. But, of course, I've heard conversations about Kamala being black enough, but it wasn't in the context of ADOS. And I think that there's other issues here that people are reacting to. Again, I'm not coming from an ADOS perspective. I don't know that perspective as well as you. But I think there's

people who don't trust Kamala because she has a white husband. And I think they're questioning her commitment to black people which is stupid and black issues which is stupid but okay well well stupid is one way of looking at it i'm gonna call it stupid but let me finish have a better fun his head two white wives exactly we know he black but go ahead exactly okay well i think it's i think it's important as i was talking telling the producer earlier that we actually unpack in dialogue around why people have the perspective they have, because we can call them name and call them stupid.

But that's not going to transform them from their perspective. Their perspective has merit. And I think we should engage it. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. So don't make any assumptions about me. me but when you live in a society where white men have killed continue to kill as cops in any other ways they can have lynched have castrated have done damage to black men there's a knee-jerk reaction among some black people about wait a minute how you gonna be quote-unquote what somebody who looks like these people that have done harm to us now that might be a quote-unquote stupid reaction if you come from a place of intellectual analysis but if you come from a place of trauma and emotional reaction to the assault on black people you question it also let me finish also some of the reactions that

people had to the debate if i'm not mistaken because i didn't watch the whole thing but i think there was a one section where a white woman named joan baez what was her name marion anderson no marion williams mares i'm sorry marion williamson brought up reparations for a split second and i was quickly interrupted by cam cam camala who talked about the child kamala i'm sorry kamala who talked about a childhood busing experience and people interpreted that a certain way that may be behind, I don't know, some of these Ados reactions that are coming off as being so-called black enough. I mean, Colin Kaepernick is half white. As far as I'm concerned, you can't get more black affirming than the behavior that he did.

Colin Kaepernick is half white. We can go on. Jesse Williams, half white. I mean, we can name a lot of half white I mean we can go down we can we can make a lot of half white people Barack Obama have what help black people love Halle Berry half white well right but let's look at all the black men who are married to or either having sex with what I thought women when I saw hold this be real let's talk about a contextual I mean I'm not sure it's a

pool she is married to ain't got a damn thing to do with policy. Because here's why. The same people who are critical of Harris for her policies, do they love Obama? He had a black wife. So having a black wife or a white husband ain't got jack to do it. She is running for president. And my deal is I'm not going to sit in. Well, you know, you married a white man.

Look, first of all, that's what she married. Ain't got nothing to do with me. I married a black woman. Like I said before, you can easily intellectually do an analysis like that. But people's reactions to this is based on people needing behavioral proof that people have their back as black people yeah but but you can't even but you can't wait it's the behavioral issue right and that my deal is look at policies go ahead avers then we go to Brooke yeah you know it would be nice if people

would form their opinions based on logic in fact yeah that would be a refreshing change here your trauma trauma interrupts that. Because I am, well, maybe they need to go to a therapist then. Maybe, let's suggest they all go to therapists. Because I've been following the ADOS group, as you've mentioned, and they are very, it's a very, they are completely detached from an understanding of the transatlantic slave trade.

Let's first say that, okay trade let's first say that okay let's first say that that they seem to not understand that the difference between me and my brothers and sisters in jamaica and my brothers and sister in guyana and my brothers and sisters in barbados or brazil who got dropped off they got a damn boat dropped us. Yeah. We are the same blood. I agree. We are the same blood. And you are showing your ignorance when you don't get that. And you keep making these dumbass statements, okay?

That's number one. Number two, the stuff about who Kamala married. Number one, she didn't get married until she was 50. And I can tell you she dated a lot of black guys. So let's just say something right here. With all these black men like a Dr. Boyce Watkins who wants to conjecture around how could she, what is the reason, how, why did she marry a black, a white man when his own damn daughter married a white man? Maybe it's the same reason his daughter married a white man, perhaps. It ain't none of your business. That's the answer. Number one, that's the answer. And number two, the bottom line is, as you mentioned, this woman has gotten

where she is on her own. A lot of times when people bring things like this up, it's because of the sexist notion that the only way an intelligent woman can get somewhere is if she got there from having a sex with a man or because of her proximity to white male power this is this is the this is the sort of the innuendo that a lot of people are raising when they raise that issue in fact right and other bullshit right they think because first we had willie brown here and uh of course uh they dated and first of all if anybody wants to understand california politics brooke uh one of the most powerful people in california politics for the last 40 plus years is willie brown a black man uh and and so like sort of amazes me this whole idea like oh yeah

she had white folks who were taking care of her career whatever and again and here's the deal i don't i don't for the people who and let me real clear i haven't endorsed anybody uh i've interviewed numerous candidates uh and uh and i'm looking at everybody but the issue that i have here and then some of the people are saying well no and i've already seen some comments rolling some of us are looking at her policies okay good that's fine but Brooke the problem I have well people who literally are having this blackness conversation when I know when I've heard people have the same discussion about black people who were born in Alabama or whatever, who are from here. And they like, well, they didn't really grow up in the hood. Oh, let me break all of all of the uniqueness stuff. Well, so-and-so went to a private school.

They ain't really black. So-and-so grew up in in upper middle class neighborhood. They ain't really black. Oh, you and Jack and Jill. You ain't really black. Oh, you are you in a fraternity sorority. You ain't really black. All these people out here even holler. Oh, you in the boule. You ain't really black.

You have you have all these folks who want to start assigning who's not really black determine whether or not you really down with the cause and that's just asinine absolutely it's absolutely ridiculous it is internalized racism that i think just perpetuates white supremacy on a larger scale that's absolutely just completely what this is. And there's a bit of sexism in it. And I'm glad you brought up, you know, the person, one of the main people complaining about this, her daughter married a white person. So it has nothing, it's performative. Part of it is performative. And I don't believe that people who are perpetuating this horrible conspiracy deserve any time.

We shouldn't listen to them. I don't think we should have those conversations because I don't think your trauma or what you believe is your trauma is an excuse to abuse someone else and create trauma on them. Now we are having national conversations debating her identity and her blackness.

And it's horrible. And when it comes to wanting somebody to have your back, how often do we have the perspective? Because we always say perspective matters, and I do believe it matters. And we sat there on the debate stage, and one of the most talked about moments came from a black woman with a lived experience of benefiting from busing, something that Joe Biden was against, and kind of brought in this states' rights narrative that harms the ability of Black people being able to maintain and achieve and hold on to their civil rights. And we had a person who experienced that personally. And that conversation was a

conversation that needed to be had for America. But it put, you know, in the forefront right there, Black people, Black Americans and our history. And how is that not having our backs? How from that is the takeaway? Well, she's not black enough. That is absurd. Well, I got somebody here, Janine

Moran Donald. She's not black. She is black. She's not African American, but she's black. But here's the deal, though. If she was black enough to get bused, if she wasn't black, she would have been in the white school. And the problem, and again, what you have, because here is

this whole deal with Adolf's folks, is that the only people who should be benefiting from policies are people who are descendants of slaves and nobody else which okay that's not gonna happen because the reality is if we when a law is passed it's not like you can literally say I'm just gonna exclude exclude all these people here. Now, there are examples where sectors or individual groups or whatever, depending upon whatever it was, have been impacted.

But the thing that that still is tripping me out here is for all of this attention that is going towards Senator Harris. Are the same folks actually demanding in terms of from other candidates? And what are they speaking to? And the reason I'm also, and the reason this is a bigger issue for me, Cleo, is because black folks are going to have to reconcile with this reality that as we continue further,

this could be more interracial marriage. And so what we're also doing is we literally are saying to, I'll say it, black kids who may be the product of an interracial relationship and what some people are doing is you got to pick.

You got to pick. It's like, look, people have been going crazy. I mean, Tiger Woods, for example. Folks have been going crazy to Tiger Woods. He calls himself combination. Okay, why did he call himself that? Because his dad is black.

His dad is also Native American. But his mama is Thai. And he also has white folks in his family. But he used to say he was black. Who? Tiger. When? I have it on tape.

Right. Because I've actually examined this phenomenon. Right. And there's tape with him about 13 years old where he's calling himself black. Got it. And the assumption is that something occurred, which I'm going to talk about. And what did he talk about? And what did he talk about?

He talked about racism that he experienced on various golf courses, things along those lines. He talked about that. On tape. Well, later. Not around the time he called himself black. No, no. Actually, things along those lines. He talked about that on tape. Well, later, not around the time he called himself black. No, no, actually he talked about it in interviews with Ives when he also was a kid. He talked about racism that him and his dad experienced when they couldn't play certain golf courses, things along those lines. But here's the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is when daddy black, mama Thai, you've got some black folks who are like, no, no, you black black so basically forget your mama but i know i know some individuals personally personally who say that wait a minute my mama's black my dad is white or my dad is white mom's black or whatever and they said why can't i simply say i'm biracial why do i have pick? I'm saying that because we are going to have more and more people who are like this here. You sure are. And what we are seeing here is a dynamic where you ain't really black. You ain't really black. And that's to me, it's nonsensical. Okay, roll. Let me say something and make something very clear here. First of all, I am with Ados and Eidos is not my favorite reference.

And one of my critiques of Eidos, which is why I'm not with Eidos, is what you broke down in terms of the fact that they're trying to be divisive and separate black people based on where the boat landed during the enslavement period. And I don't agree with separating us along those lines. So I want to make that clear. I also want to say that black people, and let me finish, because folks love- First of all, you're talking. It's so tough. Yeah, but that's not, people always interrupt when I say things like this. Just talk.

Black folks live in a context where there's been intergenerational media and institutional rejection of black people, mistreatment of black people, and black people who have passed, and then all kinds of stuff that was anti- black, including marrying white folks as an anti black reaction. And when I was an undergraduate, I did a whole research project on interracial attitudes and why black people make the choices they make. I won't get to that right now, but a lot of the reasons why black people make those choices were anti black. And the people who were white in my sample, there reason for being black were not anti-black. It was based on fetish and all kinds of other kinds of things. But there's lots of anti-black attitudes in this society. What's going on with some of these people who are not good at articulating what's happening with them, they're more immediate in terms of what's on the surface, is they're concerned about people's behavior that looks

like it might be rejecting of them as black people. That is a legitimate perspective. It might be dysfunctionally acted out sometimes. And and also we're living in a time now where the media in corporate america is disproportionately pushing biracial families virus relationships black man with white woman if you watch tv right now and get your calculator you'll find very few black on black relationships when it comes to black on black love and the affirmation of that capacity in the media landscape so people reacting to that there's people who are skeptical because of the attack on black and black love was the great Charles can see that's happening in the media and that's being pushed by corporate America I went to a tire shop as I said on your show

before and I saw a tire for times and what it was brothers look like me with a child it was just someone that child who was clearly half white and these are models these aren't real families these are these are contrived put together situations that somebody intended to put together so some black people including cleo monago who's concerned about this biracial push that's that's implying that black people loving each other is not as valuable as black people loving white people that's a real agenda that's happening so there's people who are looking at whether they're wrong or right looking at the likes of other is not as valuable as black people loving white people. That's a real agenda that's happening. So there's people who are looking at, whether they're wrong or right, looking at the likes of Kamala, who from their perspective interrupted the reparations conversation during the debate,

like where is she coming from? And we don't want no white man as the first lady with a black president. The first boy's not going to be the first lady. Well, of course. I'm a figure of speech. He's going to be a man. He's going to be the first man. But you're being rational. I'm talking about what people are emotionally saying to themselves.

But for the folks who are emotional, well, I... It's real, man. No, no, no. We've got to deal with it. I understand it's real. We've got to deal with it. I understand it's real, but as Ava said, some people need to go here and get some therapy. Here is the piece that I...

People who are slaves need therapy. No, no, no. What I'm saying is... They do need therapy. What I'm saying is that... Appropriate therapy. What I'm saying is... That's what I'm saying. A what I'm saying is, that's why I said, what I said is, this is self-hate cloaked in self-love. And if you told, if you told, I don't say all the time, but I'm saying this here.

If you told me, Roland, you got to pick this ADOS person whose history and their concern ain't got a damn thing to do fighting for liberation of black people. But this cat who's from Haiti or Jamaica or from an African country and they are ready to stand side by side with you. Guess who I'm going to pick? The person who's fighting for freedom. Absolutely. i'm gonna pick the person who's fighting for freedom absolutely and that's what so what i'm trying to get people to understand is you might be an american descendant of a slave and you might not give a damn about black people and so we've got to stop this whole it's like well no this is what i am says it can't be centered around ados they are a no no no no no no no no no no i'm only mentioning that because i'm also expanding

it a was because what we are dealing with we are dealing and i keep saying on the on the show why we have to have a uh a a retraining uh a reprogramming of black america because when you have a level of self-hate, all of a sudden it begins to, well, no, no, no, y'all ain't one of us. So you go over there when it's some folk on our side who ain't down with us. That's why I use Clarence Thomas. Absolutely. Absolutely. And as you mentioned, I think it makes sense and it's logical to critique every candidate on their record. But let's critique every candidate on their record. And what I am seeing is some interesting fixation on Kamala that I am not seeing on anyone else.

Guess what? Newsflash, she's not the only prosecutor running. Right. Number one. Klobuchar is Yeah. The prosecutor record. And you also don't have the same attacks on Senator Cory Booker that you have with Harris. Absolutely. Who authored the crime bill? Who authored the crime bill?

It was Joe Biden. Joe Biden. OK, so, you know, I think and what does a prosecutor do? I have what they actually what enforce Enforce the darn laws, okay? So they enforce the laws that are on the book. So I think it's very interesting to me that she has been singularly fixated on by this group from day one. It's not just from this particular debate. It's from the moment that she announced.

And it has been very, very strategic. Right. It's from the moment that she announced, and it has been very, very strategic. It has been coordinated, and I believe that there are... Brooke, hold on, hold on. Brooke, final comment from you. And again, I do believe, I'm telling you, I believe some of this also has

to do that there are black people who are upset, who believe that black people didn't benefit from obama and i said it the next black person who runs they gonna catch hell because of obama now ain't that something i think that's true but it's so bizarre because i think you're right you're right the next black person that runs is catching all of this. But Biden is just sailing through. That's wild. Kamala Harris is being judged harsher than Joe Biden.

And I have a problem with that. I do think that there is a lot of sexism in a lot of these conversations about her. I want to bring in right now Trey Beanshoulder, founder and CEO of BME. We were, of course, before even all this stuff came up, we were scheduled to talk to him about this whole narrative for black Americans. So, Travian, welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this conversation? No, no, thanks for having me. It's actually a really poignant and enlightened conversation.

But at the heart of it is, and you've all said it over and over again, the question of blackness is a distraction from our actual black agenda while we're running around spending all this time and energy trying to figure out who's brown enough and who's not and who should be married to whom without spending any energy talking about what is our actual agenda how do we build black health black wealth black know-how black networks black love black like that part don't get to spend any bandwidth on because we're spending all our time on these things that, like I said, and when you say black agenda, also folks having a real black agenda that's outside of reparations, because here's the piece, a candidate can stand on stage and say, I support reparations. Got it it is it going to pass the house or the senate and get

signed into law about trump okay so fine canada said i believe reparations all right what's next see i mean and that's the piece so the people i hear yelling reparations i'm like okay gotcha i heard you uh what else is on your agenda this is uh go ahead i'm gonna go to brooke go ahead yeah yes hold on hold on hold on brooke trade me and then brooke go ahead oh okay yeah i was gonna say if i may here here's here's what's on my mind when you get right down to this question whether it's the question about you know who's black enough or who's not or it's the question about our actual black agenda the The main thing that we have to answer is who do we think that we are? Because I have worked with thousands of black leaders now,

and I've worked with thousands of white leaders now. And when you ask them the question about black America and how they define black America, both white liberals and black liberals, for lack of a better word, black progressives, they all define us according to some type of dysfunction, some moment in our past, like slavery, some nonsense about whether we're at risk, high crime, absent file, all that kind of, that rhetoric is repeated by both our friends and our foes and by us. When in reality, we all got excited about a billion dollar grossing movie called Black Panther, because it depicted black folks from a wealthy nation that had educated women leading and dedicated black men committed to the community and the country and they were all tech savvy and they were cool and they were brilliant and by the way

everything that i just named about that mythical place called wakanda is true of black people in america we're a 1.2 trillion dollar economy our women are among the most educated in the country the black men are the most dedicated fathers according according to the CDC. You know black folks love tech because we do it all the time. You know we're the arbiters of cool and fashion. So everything that we loved about this mythical place, we actually have. We just don't act like we have it. We don't talk about ourselves, and we don't define ourselves in the truth that is us, that we are beautiful, that we are accomplished, that we are capable. I was talking to a brother who's an activist two days ago, who when I mentioned to him that most black people are not poor, he paused and said, well, that can't be right. Most black people in America

are not poor. Yes, there's more than we want. And yes, black on black crime is a real thing. But you know, 99 point something odd percent of black folks do not actually commit black on black crime, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. So when we look at our reality all my thought is all this energy we spend denigrating ourselves and then figuring out how to box our time out of this hole that we dug in terms of the way we think of ourselves in the world think about things about us we can fix all that just by telling the truth about who we are and defining our people by our aspirations and then once we you know made that clear who we are and who we aspire to be, then we can talk about any kind of challenges that we face.

But if you don't do it that way, if you don't acknowledge our aspirations, our contributions first, then people start to think that all we are is a bag of problems and dysfunction. And that is so far from the truth that we get in the sick conversation. Brooke, Travian makes a great point there. love i love that he brought up black panther i remember when the movie came out the first weekend i think he did about 240 plus million dollars in opening weekend and i had posted something on my instagram page and i said uh what if we bought it i said what if what if we gave the equivalent of the cost of two tickets to our favorite HBCU. And, Brooke, I had people who were coming at me saying, why can't you just let us enjoy the moment?

And then other people said, other people, Brooke, said, that's not going to make a difference. And I went, fool, how do you think it made $240 million if people didn't buy tickets and i'm going you do know it made 240 million because folk bought one ticket two tickets three tickets four tickets and they literally could not put two and two together and say hmm if we were so hyped about a movie, which I loved, why can't we get hyped about an HBCU?

And they literally said we couldn't do it. I'm like, but we just did it with Black Panther. Go ahead, Brooke. I think that you can do both. It's a great point. Yes! No, no, no, no. But Brooke, what was amazing though is they actually said we couldn't do it with the HBCU,

and I'm like, we just did it with the movie! Right. That's just people who didn't want to. That's why we're in the situation that we are, right? I just think people didn't want to. Scott, Scott. I'm sorry, sis. Go ahead. No, you're okay. Go ahead, Travian.

I was going to say, it is literally time for the next narrative for Black America. We have, you know, if you're a civil rights generation person, that means you're in the baby boom generation. And the baby boom generation is, you know, getting to the late 60s, 70s, and so on. So literally, they're celebrating the 50th anniversary or everything. It's because they were around 50 years ago. And we're at a point now where so much has changed in our context that we have to update our narrative and i think the right way to update it is to start off by telling the truth about black people as actually aspiring and accomplished beings because we've been that we've been assets in this country literally since the day we got here and the only question is who

owns this asset well actually i'll interject with this here and i want cleo to speak to this because we've talked about this a lot and uh and i'm gonna i must schedule this because i didn't need to do it i'm telling you if you read dorothy cotton's book dorothy cotton was the only woman in dr king's inner circle and she was responsible for the scl's Citizenship Education Training Plan. If you want to join SCLC, you will come in to their group. You would then get assessed, Cleo. They would assess you, and they would go, okay, this person needs to be reprogrammed.

And so they would take you through this program to say, you need to be reprogrammed before they will allow you to even join the scoc i absolutely believe that what is is missing is a massive reprogramming of black america not only you talk about trauma you talk about the power of white supremacy i was playing golf today and this brother was this brother goes. He said, man, nigga, please. Then he stopped. He was like, you know what? I need to stop saying nigga. He said, because there's somebody who's suing a coach right now who who said to these these basketball players, the AAU players, you niggas need to start playing better.

And one of the parents is suing him. And the brother supports the lawsuit. But he used the N-word in our conversation. And I'm sitting there going, and it's like I blocked somebody the other day who called me a coon. I said, oh, but you're conscious. I said, hold up.

How can you be a conscious brother, but you're conscious i said hold up how can you be a conscious brother but you're using the exact same language that white oppressors used against us i said now you want to criticize me fine i said but why don't you use some language that white oppressors don't use and i'm telling you the the level of self-hate that exists, and we also think a lot of that is self-love. Whew. But I'm all for that. Hold on, Trayvon. Trayvon, hold on one second.

Hold on. Cleo, then you. Self-hate is not black people's fault. Right. Self-hate is not an intellectual choice that someone made on a Thursday, because I hate myself on Friday. Self-hate is a consequence of an environment in white supremacist culture called the United States of America, which is why I mentioned the media and all those influences. It's important.

What you just said is so key. And it's more important than getting mad at black people for being confused, which they did not choose to be because they don't even know they're confused, is creating that model, that deprogramming, what I call trance-breaking strategy. My work is built around trance-breaking because we're in a trance. When somebody is grown and calls somebody the N-word and then has to step back and go, why did I do that?

And going through all these psychological dynamics, it's because they're in a white supremacy trauma trance. So it's not helpful if somebody's in a trance to re-traumatize them with name-calling, with assaults, with getting mad at them. Stupid. See, that ain't helpful. That's not helpful, Roland. We need to do things.

But they might break up from their trance no it doesn't we need to do stuff that's going to deflect trauma and that's going to create a space to actually critically critically self-evaluate okay i'm not gonna call you stupid i'm gonna say you sick as hell well is that better when your neck was still doing the other what what what what i can't i can't you have to come off as if you give a damn. I do give a damn. I know you give a damn. You sick as hell.

I know you care. That's what's ironic about your approach, guys. I know you're rolling. I know you care. I don't care what nobody call you, whatever. I know for a fact that you are in love with black people and you're about the affirmation and the advancement of black people. But I'm asking you to consider, and we should do a show on this, as strategies to do trans-breaking work. All right.

So we can come out, so we can deprogram, like you say, because we do need to do that. Right. Trey Bin, then Brooke, and Avis. And then I'm going to close this out and go to a break and then come back and finish the rest of the show. Go. All right. So all I'm going to say is our whole organization is dedicated to the next narrative for black America. We have 300 fellows across the country who are all black, all different walks of life.

Some of them in finances. Some of them on the street, but everybody's committing themselves to our people. And how do we tell a story of our people from an asset perspective and then set an agenda that is about building our health, our wealth, our know-how, our network, and our communities? We're holding a conference in October. You can come check us out at nextnarrative.net, and I will stop there. Brooke, go go ahead i just want everybody you know to not cause pain in order to help soothe their own yeah well you that was short and sweet all right uh uh trade man i appreciate it man thanks a lot give us the website again trade in next narrative.net all right Where is he? In the country.

Ask him. Brother, where are you in the country? Where are you based? We're headquartered in Miami, but we work around the whole nation. You're in Miami. Okay. All right. Travian, I appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you for having me. We ain't done. Calm down.

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That's marijuana stock.org. And yes, it is a black owned company. All right, folks, folks, Royal Clark Jr., a Louisiana man, has been finally freed after serving 17 years in prison for an armed robbery he did not commit. He was convicted on the word of an eyewitness who falsely identified him as a suspect in a 2001 Burger King robbery. He's always maintained his innocence and was exonerated when the fingerprint found on a cup used by the suspect was reexamined. And, of course, it didn't match think about that 17 years in prison all right folks many of you saw this viral video where shaquille dukes was admitted to a chicago hospital for pneumonia now his doctor ordered him to walk around the hospital

to help his healing following his doctor's orders he was walking on the hospital to help his healing. Following his doctor's orders, he was walking on the hospital grounds connected to his IV machine and this happened. I know this game way too much. Officer Moore, you just came here. Your tone is here. Excuse me. Is, um, up there. I just spoke to him. you're on city property not hospital look up all right the cop said he stole the iv machine and was planning to sell it on ebay

his iv was removed and he was taken to the hospital. He has filed an official complaint. Brooke, I'm going to go to you. I know a lot of black people. I lived in Chicago six years. I don't know anybody black who wants to steal an IV machine, walking his ass around in a hospital robe with his ass out.

I'm just saying, that ain't quite the uniform I might wear to steal an IV machine. Yeah, it's dehumanizing. Videos like this, they just make me so sad. It's dehumanizing. If you're a police officer, your number one job, you're supposed to protect, right? I'm assuming they think they're some safety threat and they need

to protect from, I think they eventually said they arrested him for disorderly conduct. Why wouldn't the first thing be to go back to the hospital and make sure he's safe, make sure he's okay before you, yourself, a non-doctor, take a needle out of his arm, take his IV catheter, excuse me, out of his arm and arrest him. It just, the whole thing is upsetting. Watching that video is upsetting. The fact that he can't go for a walk in a whole hospital gown. You know what I mean?

A hospital gown, you don't even have your underwear on under that. You know what I mean? A hospital gown, he's holding on to an IV and ends up in the back of a police cruiser avis this is not hard if you are a cop call the hospital do y'all have a patient named so-and-so yes we do is he still admitted to your hospital yes he is that right there solves the whole issue absolutely does but here's the thing that I think that we need to really recognize. Not only is it dehumanizing, not only is it just absolutely

just unbelievable and ridiculous. Let's just be real about it. What is the IQ level of police officers that would make this deduction? Because it wasn't just one. It was one and then it was a couple others came and everybody thought that this was a good idea. Why are they employed? I mean, if you cannot put two and two together in that simplistic realm, you do not have the intellectual capacity to wield a firearm, much less a badge

or anything else associated with being in the police. Why are they still employed? That's absolutely asinine. Can I call them stupid? Call who stupid? The white folks? The cops. Hell yeah. Yeah. Matter of fact, you're taking too long to say it. Say it again. I'm just saying. To Avis's point, you think one of the other cops will walk up and say, dog, you called us over this. Somebody should have said. Over this, boss. But Roland, see, look, as we have seen time and time and time

and time again on video, black men are prey and white people are, these white men, a lot of these white cops are getting off on the opportunity to control, to manipulate, to make black people do what they want them to do. Hold on. But let me say this real quick before it's too late.

Hold on, I want you to hold that because you're going to repeat it for this one. Oh, I got another it for this one I got another oh I got another one first of all my crazy is why people stinger please you can say that again to create roll that this goes illegally selling water without a permit on my property okay i really need the crazy ass by people segment for this one okay tashif turner y'all know he black tashif you ain't never met a white you ain't never met a white Tashif. First of all, first name Tashif, last name Turner. Tashif Turner.

Yeah, I imagine that he's not a Caucasian. Probably from the Nat Turner lineage. Tashif Turner from Detroit. Oh, damn. Okay. Oh, yeah. That's criminal blackness right there. A Detroit street artist known as She-Fi McFly.

Y'all. I wonder if Adolphe was. Y'all, Lord have mercy. Y'all, this actually happened. My man was arrested while painting a mural that had been commissioned by the city. He was painting a mural on a viaduct when a cop stopped him. He didn't have a city permit at the time after trying to explain the situation four or five police cars were sent to the site a city official showed up to try to de-escalate the situation and explain the misunderstanding

but the cops were not having it detroit Police Department spokesperson, Sergeant Nicole Kirkwood, told the Detroit Free Press that McFly was uncooperative and was arrested for allegedly resisting and obstructing police, as well as, you guessed it, on an outstanding parking ticket. Ha, ha, ha!

Roland, I'm going to say something that's probably going to piss you off, so I'm moving on my stuff. Go ahead. But it's that kind of treatment by white folks of black folks It's rolling off to say something that's probably going to piss you off. I'm moving all my stuff. Go ahead. So you want to have me. But it's that kind of treatment by white folks. Right. Of black folk.

Right. It has some black folks saying, Kamala, how could you marry that? Now, I'm not saying it's rational. I'm not doing all that. I'm talking about the impulse that people are having with the perpetual assault by white males on black people. That's now on videotapes since this thing was invented. And that's what's going on.

I'm not talking about Adels. I believe that's bringing Adels in this. I'm talking about people outside of Adels who have an impulse like, she ain't down. She's sleeping with the enemy. Now, let me close with this. Getting mad at black folks for dysfunctional behavior and acting out like this is like getting mad at somebody

for limping after a car accident there's been trauma there's been an assault and we just saw one we saw one earlier a moment ago and now we saw one on this brother they probably have another assault coming these are the kind of things along with what I said about the media in this racist bias these are the kind of considerations happening in the black psyche when they see a certain situation and when this person held himself up to be president they were like i don't know if she has my back bro that's part of what's going on the man painting a mural on city property commissioned by the damn city logic and a city official shows up to explain it and the cops still not listening every single one of

those cops should be suspended and put their ass on death's duty. Brooke? Yeah, they're dangerous. And what we were talking about earlier, they don't have the mental capacity to have the job. Period. And it does. We keep bringing it back around to Kamala, and I feel bad about that. But she shouldn't be blamed

like it's like six degree of separation. I agree, but she shouldn't. These people are doing. I'm telling you what's behind the behavior. But let me also say that. Go ahead. Go ahead. Give attention to all bad behavior.

Yeah, and here's my problem with that. And I know you're saying that it's not logical, but a lot of these people that are playing or they're saying that about her are going home and sleeping with white women. Let's just keep it real. Let's keep it really real. I do, because I have seen pictures

with some of these men on here who try to kind of act like they're all pro-black, and then you look and see their family pictures. Oh, they tripping. Okay? So, listen, if it's good for the women, if it's good for the groups, it's good for the gander. Okay? Let's keep it real.

We gotta have a show about this, Roa. Let's keep it real. We have to have a show about this, Roa. Let's keep it real. All right. We have to have a show about this nuance. This is so nuanced. That ain't nuanced. That ain't nuanced. It ain't nothing nuanced.

Every woman I've been with is black. That ain't nuanced. I agree with what you just said. I agree with what you just said, your sentiment. All right, y'all. I got to go to this one. I got to go to this one because this, oh, y'all, this is a good one. This is my last story today.

I'm going to skip the Connecticut one. You know what? I'm going to go ahead and read it. Let me go ahead and read it. Okay. You know what? Some more abuse to black people. Nuh-uh.

Okay, y'all. Y'all. These cops in Connecticut. Ooh, y'all. Show the complete disregard for the law and how stupid. Can I call them stupid? Yes. Thank you very much.

Y'all, these dumbasses accidentally recorded themselves plotting to make up charges. Press play. Sure. What's wrong? You have a handgun. You have a handgun. You got a permit for that? Somebody just said that one of you guys had a gun on him.

I got a gun. You don't have any weapons on you, do you? I'm asking you a question. Do you have any guns? Turn around. Go right ahead. Why are you putting your hands on me? Because I'm checking to see if you have any weapons because your partner does.

Don't put your hands on me. Turn around. Please do not put your hands on me. It's illegal to take my picture. No, it isn me. It's illegal to take my picture. No, it is. It's illegal to take my picture. It's a public property. It's illegal to take my picture personally.

It is illegal. Did you get any documentation on allowing you to take my picture? No, but you're on public property. Oh, I'm not. I'm on state property. You have no reasonable... I'm on state property. You have no reasonable...

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Yeah. Hopefully Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I ended up with a camera on my roof. It's still on. Sir, here's your weapon.

Thank you. Here's the bullets for your weapon. Okay. Here's your ID. Really? You're writing me a citation for what? Yes, sir. Two issues, two violations. A requisition hired by a pedestrian and creating a public disturbance.

They did take it on time. This will be a warrant for your arrest. Okay? Be careful driving. Be careful walking, I should say. And also, just what I'm saying is the people get scared when they drive by and they see somebody with a water sidearm and it's not covered. Okay?

Okay. You got to think about other people all right but it's my right to do this we got reports from motorists coming by that the weapon was in your hand i don't want y'all let's go to florida it's always florida zach wester he arrested dozens of innocent people after planting drugs in their cars during traffic stops. Y'all, the drugs weren't in their cars because they were drug addicts. Zach didn't realize

his camera was recording. Press play. Do what now? I said if you find any money, I come up missing $5 at the law school. All right, I'll see if $5 at the law school. Alright, I'll see if I can find it for you. Brooke, how the hell is Zach still got a job? Is some of the victims still behind bars? How is Zach not in prison right now?

How is Zach not in jail? The most upsetting thing overall about this story to me is that the higher-ups, according to at least the assistant state's attorney that was willing to get this guy off the streets, according to her, is that the higher ups were willing to protect him. And she got in trouble for investigating him. And you know what? You said something earlier, and I don't think he forgot his body camera was on. I don't think he cared because I think he knows the system. He knows who the system is set to protect and he knows that he would be okay.

He is okay. Davis? She's absolutely right. The fact that he can so blatantly break the law, set up all these people, and I believe I saw that there were like 100 people, cases of people who are in jail now because of they were had communication they had contact

with him which most likely he did the same thing to him to them he was habitually planning drugs on people and the fact that once again we have a situation where the system is not set up to protect the public the system is set up to protect the police officers no matter what they do no matter if they kill you no matter if they put drugs on you, whatever the police officer does, that is who is protected. And this is just another example of it. Cleo! Super Black! Roland, thank you from the bottom of my heart for exposing this and showing that this occurs and I have to mention at this point that these are cliches that are norms among law enforcement in this

country that have finally gotten on video there are a lot of black people some of them are famous like Emmett Till and you know we can go on and on for people who were murdered because black because white folks had a bad day and had the power to murder so my whole point is that these are ongoing phenomena the police are many of them are psychopaths anti-black psychopaths and i don't agree that they're quote-unquote stupid i think they're on a mission like you've said before roland they're concerned about their numbers and they've always been concerned about their numbers and they've always been concerned about keeping power and making sure they have power through terror and they're continuing the continuing the work that the in the in the let

the legacy of it all right and we need to look at for what it is black people so we can resist it properly all right then brooke thanks a bunch i appreciate it avis cleo thank you so very much as well all right folks we got to go don't forget you want to support roller martin under filter to go to roller martin underUnfiltered.com. Join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar you give goes to support the show. We're here, of course, through Wednesday. Then, of course, Fourth of July is on Thursday.

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