#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 7.17.19 #RMU: Anniversary of Eric Garner's Death, House Votes on Impeachment Movement, NY Hair Bill

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today's wednesday july 17 2019 coming up on roland martin unfiltered today the fifth anniversary of eric garner's death at the hands of nypd cops we'll talk to his mother gwen carr exclusively right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. The House held a vote on an impeachment of Donald Trump today, but it was voted down. Democrats did not go along with Congressman Al Green. No shock there. We'll tell you about that. Also, a Philadelphia district attorney has asked the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to declare the death penalty unconstitutional. New York follows California's role in banning hair discrimination in New York State. Also, the Emmy nominations are in, and there's a decline in diversity and inclusion. No shock there. And yes,

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you know, he's Roland Martin now. Martin! Alright folks, the House voted down an impeachment resolution today, introduced by Congressman Al Green of Houston. He wanted to begin impeachment proceedings against Donald Trump.

He has certainly earned it. But Speaker Nancy Pelosi, she has been arguing for them to take this very slow. It's been a contentious several weeks since, of course, Bob Mueller released his report laying out potential obstruction of justice by Donald Trump. He left it up to Congress to make the determination. He said he could not do so because of this silly memo written during the Nixon administration saying that the president cannot actually be indicted, which is actually BS if you say that somehow he is above the law. Let's talk about this right now with Mike Brown, former DNC Finance Chair Committee,

former Vice Chair, DNC Finance Committee, and also A. Scott Bolden, Aloysius Scott Bolden, former Chair, National Bar Association PAC. I was joking about that. Is that what the A stands for? My government name is A. Scott Bolden. What does the A stand for? Allen, A-L-A-N. You're lying. It says Aloysius. Don't even front.

That's what it stands for. My mother could be watching from above. Don't do that. And from above, she's going to lay hands on you as well. But disrespecting me. All right, let's get right to it. It's no shock, Michael, that this has failed Pelosi. She always had the votes. But what she is dealing with is a very, very unsettled, angry constituency on the left who wants this man held accountable. He has ordered his folks to ignore subpoenas from this administration. They will not testify. Even folks who no longer even work for the White House, they're claiming blanket immunity on everything. At what point, though, does Nancy Pelosi have to do something?

And the strategy is, well, hopefully the courts will agree with us on this. But again, when you've got a restless body of people, they they're not going to make it easy. You know, as you and I've talked about it, you know, I'm a loyal soldier of Speaker Pelosi. But on this one, I think she may be miscalculating. I think we need to get this impeachment thing done and move on and get back to legislating. We know what the Senate's going to do. So what if he's going to come out and say that he was exonerated. He will have the label of impeachment on his name going up through the election. So from my standpoint, get this impeachment thing over with, let the Senate exonerate, and then get back to worrying about prescription drugs,

worrying about 2020, health care, and keep it moving. But right now, I think it's wasting. He's frankly winning. You know, I don't like saying his name. Forty five. The longer this takes, whether it's court battles, them not showing up for hearings. Time is ticking. Time is ticking. Then it'll be too late to start an impeachment battle. Here's what I think she's doing, Scott. Aloysius. I think what she's doing. I think I think Democrats. First of all, let's just start for this premise. Democrats do not play to win. They play to compete. Republicans play to win. Even if that means if you're in a fist fight, they'll pick up a branch or a two-by-four or a crowbar, hit you in the head with it.

They don't care. And then they won't even apologize. Later, they'll say, tough, you should have grabbed it before we did. I think Nancy Pelosi is spooked by the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I think what she is saying, she saw the popularity of Bill Clinton after he got impeached, how the Senate did not convict. And her deal is like, why do that? They won't convict. But here's the problem with that. Tomorrow, they're likely going to take a vote on the minimum wage, guaranteeing the federal minimum wage at $15 an hour.

Mitch McConnell is not going to bring it up. So when you try to make the argument that, well, there's no sense in doing this if the Senate won't convict, but you're passing bills they won't even vote on. So you're actually doing counter to what your argument is on impeachment. Can somebody give a standing ovation to Congressman Al Green?

If somebody's listening out here, have his money people send me a card or something so I can make a contribution to him. You ain't even made a contribution to this show, and you've been on it since we started. See that? You go right there. All right. Right. Trust me. Al Green, don't wait. Alpha Al Green, don't wait on his contribution. It's going to be a while. With you, Al Green, trust me, because you got heart. You understand the urgency of this. You tell him. He understands the urgency of the moment that this strategy of hanging back and counting votes, and if you

can't get a conviction, then you don't move forward on the constitutional requirement that you move forward. I'll tell you something else it does. It makes the Democrats look confused, and they are confused, because when you put your finger up in the political winds and say, can I get a conviction or not? Then you're not, you're not being loyal to the obvious. You're not being loyal to someone that is a racist, someone who has obstructed justice in the Mueller report and someone who has defied subpoenas on the House and Senate side. And so as a result, what is congressman, what is Congress's role in all of this? What is Pelosi's leadership in all of this? Because you're right.

They're doing the same thing on substantive legislation, and it's not getting passed. And I got to tell you. No, not even getting passed. They're not, he's not even bringing it to the floor. Exactly. He won't even consider it. It's not like, they're just passing stuff. He's kind of like, yeah, okay, holla at me when y'all done. At least't even consider it. It's not like they're just past stuff. He's kind of like, yeah, OK, how I mean, we got done.

At least we would be unified. At least the proceedings leading up to 2020. We would televise the power of of of of the allegations, the high crimes and misdemeanors. And we would educate the public in a unified fashion. When I travel the country, and you tell me whether it's true for you too, when I talk to Democrats, whether it's socially or to form, what have you, the number one question they ask me is, what are we doing, Scott? What is our position? We talk about this unity and diversity, but we seem real confused on a real simple issue called Donald Trump. Where are we going? What are we going to do? What is expected of us as voters? Do you get that too? Because I get it all the time. This is what Alan Green had to say today on the floor of the U.S. House before the vote was taken.

Go to my iPad. Impeaching Donald John Trump, president of the United States of High Misdemeanors, resolved that Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is unfit to be President, unfit to represent the American values of decency and morality, respectability and civility, honesty and propriety, reputability and integrity, is unfit to defend the ideals that have made America great, unfit to defend liberty and justice for all, as extolled in the Pledge of Allegiance,

is unfit to defend the American ideal of all persons being created equal as exalted in the Declaration of Independence, is unfit to ensure domestic tranquility, promote the general welfare, and to ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, as lauded in the preamble of the United States Constitution, is unfit to protect government of the people, by the be exhibited to the Senate. Article of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States

in the name of itself of the people of the United, against Donald John Trump, President of the United States, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high misdemeanors committed as President, constituting harm to American society, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Article 1, the House of Representatives on July 16, 2019, strongly condemned President Donald Trump's racist comments that have legitimized and increased fear and hatred of new Americans and people of color by saying that our fellow Americans who are immigrants

and those who may look to the president like immigrants should go back to other countries by referring to immigrants and asylum seekers as invaders, and by saying that members of Congress who are immigrants or those of our colleagues who are wrongly assumed to be immigrants do not belong in Congress or in the United States of America. In all of this, the aforementioned Donald John Trump. Monique Presley, principal of Presley Law Firm. So Pelosi has a strategy.

The vote was 332 to 95. And they had to act within two days of him filing the resolution, based upon the rules and procedures. Do you agree that what Pelosi is doing, taking this thing very slowly, is the appropriate task? Does it make Trump look emboldened, look stronger, by pretty much saying, the hell with everything y'all do. I'm not going to send anybody to Capitol Hill.

They're not going to testify. We're not going to go down. In fact, also now, Bob Barr is now trying to get the Democrats to delay their contempt vote for him and Wilbur Ross, the Commerce Secretary. Do I agree with what Pelosi is doing? No. Why? Because we're past the point where we can make political decisions and justify them in that and, I mean, horse, dog, cat, need to see that there are leaders whom, when we elect them,

will do the right thing for the sake of it being the right thing and will bear the brunt of the consequences for that and will blaze a path forward from the right thing that is done. There's no doubt in my mind I'm a supporter of Speaker Pelosi. There's no doubt in my mind that she knows that Donald John Trump is a criminal. She knows that he should be impeached she's trying to do what is right in her mind as speaker and push forward an agenda for the democrats but there are people in this country who are neither democrat nor republican who are just hurting but who are injured but but he but here

is the problem with what I have when Democrats keep saying, oh, we've got to focus on our agenda. He is your agenda. Exactly. His policies and fighting his policies are your agenda. And he's blocking your other agenda items. And the reality, Michael, the reality here

that is critically important to understand is that his agenda is to ignore you, is to trash you, is to flout the law, is to is to make you appear to be impotent and weak. his actions there is no way in hell had had obama done one tenth of what this man has done that republicans will go now we're just gonna take this thing slow we're just gonna slow walk it that would not happen like we've talked about and you alluded to it a few minutes ago it's when you try to bring a knife to a gunfight. And that's what and that's what's so frustrating about the party that I love so much was the Democratic Party is we always we forget that it's a bad. And I hate to say it, but it's about winning. You can't govern.

You can't put your policy forward unless you win. There's nothing worse than a politician who wants to make a point. But when I read a great it was it was like a bunch. you win. There's nothing worse than a politician that wants to make a point but doesn't win. I ran a great... It was like a bunch of... Again, a bunch of people like so-and-so ran a great race. Yep. They lost.

I mean, I'm sorry. And when you talk about where we are, when you talk about these federal judges he's appointing, when you talk about these policies, when you talk about how he doesn't give a damn about the environment, he is overturning

anything and everything. Look, Elizabeth Warren just went off the other day on a guy who he nominated, I think, for high position, Raytheon executive. First of all, this guy was a lobbyist for Raytheon. Says to the committee I will not excuse my I will not recuse myself from any decisions dealing with Raytheon she then said

would you not uh lobby uh for you to have to leave he's like no I ain't gonna do that either like I like I ain't damn all that I mean it's like what he has done is he is literally putting evil folks in charge of everything and then going, what y'all going to do? And I'm sorry, you have to fight that. And you can't play this game of, oh, but if we play it safe, we got the election next year, you know what, we can beat them there. Okay? That is the plan, but you might not.

Yeah. Then what? And they could spend the next, it's July right now, August, September, October, November, December, January. It may take them a good six, eight, nine months to get through the impeachment process, maybe less than that. But along the way, they have these televised hearings, and the evidence, they're making their case really to the American public. And that's the point of the hearing. Exactly. Monique, if you look at the polling number with Nixon,

first of all, nobody wants to go through impeachment. It's not like, yeah, what the heck, we'll go through it. Right. This is not like in other countries where they'll switch a prime minister in the middle of a term like it's no big deal. In the Nixon administration, it was low 20s, maybe high 30s, folks like impeach. But it wasn't until the daily hearings and witnesses and listening to what was done and going over it methodically well that number went up and what and up and up and that's what led Howard Baker to make

that slow walk up a long way and long walk up to play Avenue it's time for you to go this time it's time for you to go this time speaker why is that so hard go ahead Pelosi is not referencing Nixon. She's referencing Clinton. No, no, I understand that. She's referencing something that is not just within all of our memory. It's something that's within her time of service. But here's the problem.

Here's the problem where I think she's dead wrong. Look, I remember the Clinton deal. The Clinton deal came down to one thing. Y'all trying to impeach him over a blowjob? Just straight up. Basically. Sex? That's what it came down to for a liberal. No, no, no, no.

But the GOP, Roland, as we've said over and over again, No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is Let me finish. Let me finish. Stand down. Let me finish. If I stand down. Let me finish. It came down to, it wasn't Whitewater and McDougal and whatever. It was like, wait a minute, hold up. Because if you listen to all...

Y'all are pretty much saying he lied about sex. Yes. That's what pretty much the American public heard. That was it. In this case, we ain't talking about sex. We're talking about Russians. We're talking about sex. We're talking about Russians. We're talking about meetings. We're talking about lying.

We're talking about destroying evidence. We're talking about a number of things that were in the Mueller report. 10 to 15 different examples. This ain't sex. Okay. I think a person, I think people, but Bill Clinton, so she's referencing Bill Clinton. But here's the other thing, the last point that you can respond. Bill Clinton. So she's referencing Bill Clinton. But here's the other thing. The last point that you can respond.

Bill Clinton was in the second term. OK, this ain't the second term. This is the first term. Yeah, it was a whole different deal there. Go ahead. But but the reason why I said she's referencing Bill Clinton and I didn't mean because it's like blowjob compared to treason. What I meant is it's popularity compared to popularity. And Bill Clinton was as popular a president as we had seen at modern times

in those times, especially for the party of purity, which is what I don't even know when it happened, when the Democrats became the ones where you have to be like squeaky clean, goody two shoes, can't say nothing wrong, can't do nothing wrong, can't think nothing wrong or they'll put you out. Whereas on the GOP side, as the current president said, middle of a street in New York, shoot somebody dead and he'll still be president. I believe he's right about it. Oh, I do, too. I believe I'm sorry, Scott, I'm not finished. I do, too. I believe that his supporters will remain supporters. So what she is saying is what will it take? Because she's a numbers girl and i appreciate that for me to get the numbers out of the senate when the people who support this man because you just said what's the point

in doing it unless we and i'm not saying no no no i'm not saying hold on i'm not saying i don't support impeachment because i do i wish it had happened 15,000 trillion million day one when I was crying on my sofa when he won years ago. What I am saying is she's saying, do we do it if we can't win? You're saying don't do other things unless we can win. She's saying let's not do this unless we can win. And she knows we can't win. But Scott, the point I made yesterday while I challenged DOJ to pursue charges against the cop who killed Eric Garner,

the DOJ takes this position of, well, if we can't win, we're not going to pursue. You challenged Bill Barr? No, no, this is what I said. I said, because even, I took it back four years ago when Sheila Jackson Lee said to me when I'm already the town hall of CBCF, she said, I would love to see the DOJ take some chances. Stop this notion that, well, if I can't win it or if I can't see it right now, I'm not even going to try.

I'm saying in this case here, I believe, I believe that first of all, his base is only about 35 percent. Thank you. Nobody cares. No, no, no, no, no. You said numbers. You said numbers. I do believe. I said numbers for. Nobody cares. No, no, no, no, no. You said numbers. You said numbers. I do believe. I said numbers for the Senate vote.

No, but here's the deal, though. Not numbers, but here's the deal. The reality is, first of all, you can't show me in the history where impeachment is even guaranteed. Impeachment is never guaranteed. Right. So there's no such thing as, oh, I'm definitely going to win over there. So let's go for it. No. But here's the deeper story. In fact, in fact, in fact, but here's the piece though. How many times in American history have we gone down impeachment? Right.

Three times. Hold on. Now, wait, how many times? Three times. The first time, what happened? He wasn't convicted. No, he wasn't. The second, the first time, which wasn't Nixon, it was Johnson, wasn't convicted. No, he wasn't. The first time, which wasn't Nixon, it was Johnson, wasn't convicted. No. The second time. He resigned. He resigned. Right.

Because he saw the plans. It didn't work. The third time. He wasn't convicted. Was the result of the same thing that happened with Johnson. Wasn't convicted. But the bottom line is. You got zero chances of success.

But the bottom line is. It doesn't matter. Here, look at the floor. Take the shot. Here's the floor. It does matter because with Clinton There was no third term you don't really you are really want it. You are really want to compare Clinton's popularity to Trump's Eminently more popular

Please let me jump He is never got more than 40% of the freaking vote. And that's why he's not supposed to be president, right, Scott? Whether he's approved. He wasn't supposed to win, was he? He can't grow because he can't get above 40%. Doesn't matter. Those diehard Trump supporters are going to support him no matter what, right?

Yes, they will. That's fine. Well, what does that have to do with whether you're going to impeach him or not, or whether his popularity will get him elected again, even if he under polls? That doesn't make any sense. He was never as popular as Clinton was. So why is that even in the equation? And by the way, we promised America everything that Donald Trump was going to be, and he's kept those promises, he still hasn't grown. And that's why he's got to go. Hillary Clinton, which was a flawed candidate, only lost the presidential election in total by roughly 66,000 votes.

When you tear away all the stuff in the United States, 77,000, right? Nothing's really changed in two or three years other than we've lived with we've lived with Trump confirming everything we promised America, right? Do you all the Democrats? Let me just finish. If all the Democrats just get a decent candidate together, right? Put him through the impeachment process when you're talking to independents, Democrats and all of America. And he keeps talking out the side of his neck offensively the way he is, what do the Democrats have to be scared of except success? If the Democrats, what you should be concerned about is if you send the signal, you're not actually ready to go to war. Right.

You're voting against impeachment. Mike, that's the piece right there, Mark. They voted against impeachment. war right you that's my that's the east piece right there mark they fight against michael they they have to they have to have people fire out enough who believe that you're willing to go to war what do bullies do what bullies do is they punk you until you step back and fight and then that's what he's doing he's punching back and right what he's doing now is just punking every punking everybody's punking his own party punk punking his allies, punking people around the world, except for Putin, of course. And until we step up and say, and that's why I think the impeachment, that's the really

only tool that's going to mean something. And this little psyche, psych game he's playing, oh, I want to be impeached. No, he doesn't. Who wants to be impeached? He's daring. No, nobody wants to go through that. He's daring. Monique, so the question is, will Pelosi take the shot?

Will she stand up to the bully? Take the shot. Will she do it? Take the shot. So the reason why I called it the Puritan Party is because of what Attorney Bolden just said. Even in the midst of all of this, where we're talking about this amoral jackass. Will you stop talking? She talking.

I was talking to my mom. No, but I can hear you. But there's no respect. And what I'm trying to say is, Scott, that when he spoke of Trump, he still, when referencing Secretary Clinton said, which was a flawed candidate. That's what we have going on on the liberal side. You have a literal one who flew over the cuckoo's nest, nincompoop on the other side. And we are still calling Hillary Clinton the most qualified person to ever run for the office in the

history of people running for this office. A flawed candidate. She was flawed. Okay. She was flawed. She's flawed the way you're flawed. I agree flawed candidate. She was flawed. Okay, yes. She was flawed. She's flawed the way you're flawed, I'm flawed, we're flawed. But she was a flawed candidate. But the fact that in the United States of America, if you're liberal, you can't have any history, you can't have flaws, you can't have, I mean, the reason why that man is on the wall right now, they can't see it on screen, Barack Obama in all of his glory is on the wall, is because he could do eight years with no scandal. I dare you to put three million other black men in a room and find one who could do it.

You're talking about the Democrats. But here's the piece. Hold on. Hold on. They're trying to be smart.. But here's the piece. Hold on, hold on. They're trying to be smart. Here's the deal, though. I think sometimes I do believe that sometimes you can be so smart you're dumb. And I think there were many instances where Obama was very smart, but they got done with it. And what did he do for Black America?

No, no, no. Here's the deal, though. And the reason I'm saying that, because politics is a contact sport. And the reality is, the reality is, when you are facing an opponent who does not care. Doesn't care. Who does not care about process. Can't be shamed. Who does not care about morals or values. Right.

Who does not care. You're dealing with Mitch McConnell, who would stand there and tell Democrats when they were in control of the Senate, this thing should be done. It would process and decorum and things along those lines. And then when he becomes majority leader, he says, blue slip, don't care. Oh, the rule where I need both senators to agree, don't care. They even had one federal judge where the Republican senator in Wisconsin did not agree moving forward. He was like, don't give a damn.

That person's going forward. Why would you bloody yourself if you can't win? No, no, no. If you know you've got a president who doesn't care, and you've got McConnell, who you know to me is the one man who really should not have all that power. No, but here's the deal, though. No, but here's what you do.

Here's why you do it. No, no, no. It's not even bloody yourself. You do it. Oh, it's going to be bloody. No, no but no but here's no but here's what you do here's why you do it no no no no no it's not even bloody yourself you do it oh it's gonna be no no you do it because you do it because you make it perfectly clear you got the white house and y'all control the senate what's the only thing i do i control the house and so i'm gonna take you through the ringer i'm gonna put the evidence in front of the american people. I'm going to have the hearings. I'm going to show everybody and see. And they don't want that because what they don't, which is why it was a sham when Barr came out and gave his interpretation of the report.

And all these idiots in the media said, oh, he was cleared. As opposed to going, can we read it for ourselves? Right. And then when the report gets released, it's kind of like, oh, that's kind of not what Bob Barr, that's not really what happened. So we may want to reconsider. What I'm saying is, to your point,

I can't take the bully down unless I throw a punch. But if I don't throw a punch, it's going to embolden him. Now, I see they finally decided to get some guts. Folks, just a moment ago, in the vote of 230 to 198, the House voted to hold Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross in criminal contempt of Congress for their refusals to turn over key

documents tied to the 2020 census. Let's go. To me. Let's go. Huh? Let's go. Yeah. That's immediate. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay. For the person at home, what the hell does that mean?

It means that if they. Anybody in handcuffs? Pert walk? That's in the foreseeable future. It's not like. Not where the Republican U.S. Attorney's Office. Hearing. But that's the thing that I'm saying about DOJ challenge.

DOJ challenge means bar challenge. Anybody who expected that the Garner matter was going to turn out a different way. Did they forget who the attorney general is? I don't understand what we're doing. So hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no.

You can hear what I am. First of all, you say let's stay on impeachment. I'm talking about this here. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. So now as a result of this vote, now the committee can now take Barr and Ross to federal court. According to The New York Times, to seek judicial enforcement of subpoenas for the materials in questions in lawsuits inspected in the coming weeks. And the administration has maintained it is on firm legal footing in its position. Also, what you have here, obviously, first of all, by this decision,

first of all, the action refers them to the DOJ for prosecution. Exactly. Well, the DOJ ain't going to do it. It's run by Barr. It's run by Barr. Ain't going to do it as well. But also, it adds them, because prior to this eric holder was the only uh member of congress but only only cabinet member ever held in contempt uh by congress and so now he has some

company and then it was squashed but the question here is really again if you're if you're democrats what is your next step because again this man does care. He does not believe in any rules whatsoever. The only way to put him on the defensive is they have to make a decision. If you start impeachment proceedings, you put him on the defensive, by now he has to either put on a case or he doesn't. Either he sends witnesses and documents

or he just stays at the White House and then his only hope is that the Republicans on the House side are trying to obviously Flip the scales a little bit. Otherwise, it's gonna get hammered to the American people So he has to bring these witnesses which puts a month across the examination Right the house process He has the Senate. What does it matter? Because the House prosecutes. He has the Senate. No, no, no. First of all, that's what...

Show up for what? No, no, no. The House prosecutes. The Senate determines... Oh, that's right. Right. But what I'm saying is the benefit of actual impeachment hearings for the people out there, of course, who hadn't read the Mueller report, what it

does is by having those televised hearings, it causes people to pay attention. And then it reveals the depths at which this person consistently lied, consistently made stuff up and covered up and you able to connect the dots. What else do you think can get done for the American people while they're doing that? Well, here's the deal though. That's a lot. No, no, no, I'm sorry. I answered it.

Nothing. Nothing else. That's a lot. Thank you, Roland. No, Scott, no, no, no, that's a lot. Because, because here's the thing. Nothing. The real pressure for Speaker Pelosi with Trump doing the fool with his I'm going to wear my hood on Saturday morning thing

is it makes cooperation on any other subject untenable. Because what the hope is for the people who are trying to do business for the American people right now is jobs and infrastructure. But here's the problem. No, no, no. How's that working for you? Because everything, how's that going? They even haven't had a chance. But here's the problem. They took power on January 2nd. McConnell is saying no to everything. They even haven't had a chance in July. They took power on January 2nd. He doesn't have to say it's not a general thing. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Here's why.

Here's why. That God is going to deliver the Republicans. I'm not talking about prayers, Scott. I'm really not. I'm only really just trying to talk about being interrupted. That's my only goal for today's show. You got no choice but to fight. And the Democrats need to start fighting now or they're going to continue to get their butts kicked.

And right now the Republicans and McConnell and Trump are kicking their butts. And you keep trying to figure out a way to get around it. You got to go through it. You got to put your boxing gloves on or draw whatever weapon you're going to have and get out. There's nothing left. He can go. Tomorrow he's going to tweet and start calling black women on the on the House side out of their names, B's, H's. What are we going to do? We're going to impeach him and not impeach him. What are we going to do? We're going to censure him again and say how awful it is. And then what if he starts using the N-word towards us and the Republicans

and the GOP say, well, he didn't really mean that like that well i don't even know yeah taking out of context right and then what we're gonna say we're gonna censor him again this this this president is not a president he is a he is not just a bully he is a dictator who was supported by a gop in a democracy that is completely being undermined. And the only way you can deal with this is to use force against force. I believe. Democrats want to hold their fire. I believe.

They keep threatening me. And I fundamentally believe that what you don't want to put yourself in a position is to look up on the Wednesday after election day, November 2020, and then it's sort of like a coach who had two timeouts. Didn't use them. And didn't use them. Yes. And you're in a post-game news conference, and you're talking to the news media, and the news media is like, why in the hell you didn't call timeout, dog?

You had timeout. What were you thinking? And you're like, ah, well, you know, I was just, no and you're like oh well you know i was to know you didn't call time out that to me i just believe when you're going up against a thug right you got to swing let your hands go let's see let's let's see what happens and the final comment final comments go the question really is how you swing because uh it's it's july right yes yes july 2019 i'm sorry. Yes, July 2019. I'm sorry.

I'm exhausting you, Scott. Here's the thing. I am, too. With my time out, what I would rather do is say, hey, out there, everyone who's going to see this, register to vote. Because whether they start impeachment proceedings tomorrow or not, when it comes time to reelect or to newly elect a president of the United States, this same fool is going to be in the White House. And what you need to do is go now and register so that you can make sure that the next president of the United States is not Donald J. Trump. Now, whether they start impeachment proceedings today, and I hope they do, because I don't like my cousin being called a slave and an infant, a Negro. It's not your way. And don't start with me right now.

What I am saying is no matter what they do, it's going to take a while. And the reason why we're in this position is because we didn't go out en masse and vote. I want to change that so we don't have to fight this fight again. And the next time we talk about this, we can be talking about people getting some jobs and some health care and dying in Georgia of childbirth more than other people and et cetera and so on. Things that really matter, not this cross-dressing. And I will end this I will end this I will end this segment this way.

I said this on Tuesday about the Fortin Register Mobilizer Organize. I still believe though, while you are doing that you still whoop his ass when you need to. Go on to a break. Roller Mark Gun Filter, back in a moment. Don't forget to turn on your notifications,'s youtube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin. And don't forget to turn on your notifications so when we go live, you'll know it.

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as well as murder victims, family members, and former prosecutors and judges, filed amicus briefs in support of Cox and Marinelli. As part of the brief, Krasner's challenge includes new research into 155 death convictions that took place between 1978 and 2017 in Philadelphia. Philadelphia courts have sentenced more people to death than any other jurisdiction in the state, according to the brief, many of whom are people of color. Out of the 45 people currently on death row in philadelphia 37 are black and four are from other minority groups according to the brief all right weigh in so you talk your mic's still on so they can hear you talking i didn't realize that but it's a meek it's a it's a television show first of all it's a television show you when you're mic'd up you're still being heard so when you you over here going, waka, waka, waka, waka, waka, the mic saw, you were talking, leaning back, talking to

Monique, talking to Michael, like you ain't got a mic on. Monique, what do you make of Larry Krasner? First of all, the movie's also here. The Pennsylvania legislature stripped different powers from him. They don't like the fact that he's a progressive district attorney. Cops are not happy with him as well because he was a very strong defense attorney after going after police departments. What do you make of him trying to get them to declare this unconstitutional? First of all, this is a perfect example of when someone goes from the defense side of the aisle and switches to the prosecutorial ranks. We need that. We need somebody who understands what it's like to defend cases, who still understands the role of the state and the role of prosecutors.

And obviously, I mean, I'm against the death penalty. So I believe that he's right about this. I believe that presidential candidate Kamala Harris was right about this when she was in his position and fought against death penalty and would not support the death penalty as something that the prosecutors were going for. That's what prosecutorial discretion is all about. I'm sure that Scott disagrees with me because Scott is not really a liberal. Scott just fronts as a liberal on certain issues, but we know he's a conservative. Michael, Michael, Michael, your thoughts on what Larry Krasner is doing?

You're going to let him say that to me? Let's wait. That's your job to respond. Michael? I, too, am against death penalty, except in certain cases. But, you know, elections have consequences, and these kind of appointees, it depends on who wins elections and makes these appointees, and that's how decisions are made. So to your point, Roland, to your point, Mr. President, you got to get out, you got to mobilize, you got to

register and vote because you can't sit back the next day and wonder, oh, my goodness, what happened? And to one last point about this whole getting out to vote, everyone has a candidate in this primary. And if your candidate does not win, you cannot take your ball and go home. Right. You have to get behind the leader. Assuming you're a Democrat, you have to get behind whoever that person is because you can't say, oh, you can't say, oh, I'm going to take my ball and go home because all that is is a vote for 45. Scott, you can now respond. I don't like labels because I look at issues and like Democrats all look at issues.

So on this particular issue, since I'm a former prosecutor and the only one on the panel, right? Were you a prosecutor? Yes. Oh, well, there are two of us. Were there only two on the panel then? No, I'm just saying, but you were assuming you were the only one. Well, I did not. I want to read bio.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Here's the deal. Obviously, I don't support the death penalty because of its disparate impact on people of color and my own community. OK, that's the first thing. So secondly, secondly, I do think that the legislature who's tried to take his powers, they actually wanted him to share powers with the state's attorney general. And the state's attorney general has indicated that he's not going to usurp that power, even though the Senate and the House gave him that power. But this is not this is happening in other parts of the country, too.

There are at least four or five other district attorneys of major urban centers who are taking this position against the death penalty. The reality— Aaron Masayalo, the first black state's attorney in Florida. Of course, pissed off then-Governor Rick Scott, who said he was taking all any-death penalty case from her jurisdiction. And so, yeah, you have other places where they've done that. Go ahead.

This is an extraordinary measure by the DA to go directly to the Supreme Court. They've got to decide to take it up, and then they've got to rule on it, whether it's disproportionate impact. But the other thing that they're finding is that the lack of good legal counsel is a factor that has put people of color, poor people, on death row in several jurisdictions. In fact, the reason they've been delayed in not being executed has been because they've been winning these motions recently against for ineffective assistance of counsel. So that's all in the mix. But I think it's a good move. Watch to see whether the Supreme Court takes it up or not for the state of Pennsylvania. All right, folks, New York became the second state to ban discrimination based on natural hairstyles after Governor Andrew Cuomo

signed a bill Friday amending the state's human rights law. Of course, they follow California, which earlier this month became the first state to outlaw racial discrimination based on hairstyles, such as braids, bantu knots, twists and locks. The bill's provisions are effective immediately. The New York City Commission on Human Rights issued new guidance in February that banned discrimination on the basis of hair or hairstyle in workplaces, schools and public places. This is what when I was talking the other day about white fear and I was talking about how in this country everything has been done through a white prison. This is a perfect example, because I think back to when Black Enterprise, when Earl Graves mandated that you couldn't have locks, you couldn't have dreads if you worked at Black Enterprise, because he said, look, this is what Wall Street, this is what corporate America wants. So therefore, we're going to train you to conform to what they want. When the reality is that is a that's a white standard. It's a white standard. Now,

the problem is when all of a sudden it becomes, oh, you can't have facial hair, you can't have this. I think back to I remember I was I was going back and forth with somebody. This week, you're talking about there's no need for the EEOC. And that was a case where it was a black woman more than qualified to apply for a job with the Veterans Administration in Virginia. Impeccable credentials. When she left the interview, they began to meet and a white male on the panel says I just don't like her hair like damn credentials forget all her work experience didn't like her hair, they didn't give her the job she sued, she won

won back pay, won 70 grand as well cost those taxpayers because somebody said I don't like your hair and Monique, this is again I think what is happening, and this is why I keep talking about white fear, white norms, white standards are now being altered

because you are having more people of color in the workplace in powerful positions who are now saying, hell no. You've got black women who are now on television wearing natural hair when you had news records for a long time saying, I need a perm, that you get that stuff taken care of. And so when we talk about, as we get moved closer to becoming a nation majority of people of color, the view of what's right, what's proper is going to change because it's no longer going to be white is right and everybody else step back.

Can't wait to hear this. You would be excited. I'm going to have a confession. What? You've done it. You need some water? I feel like I do. I feel like I'm sort of kind of chugging up.

I wish you'd help get it out. I only got 11 minutes left in the show. Here's the thing. In the government sector, I believe that this is correct. In the private sector, I believe that people need to be able to hire people based on what is going to get a successful result for their client. That's not what I said. Whatever that is. But that is still a white standard. Okay. And I'm not necessarily disagreeing, except when it's implemented by black folk. No, no. But that's a white standard. Yeah, but my standard is not necessarily a white standard. I just like what I, it's just an, I like my white standard.

No, I'm all up. So, okay, so if you're black and you say, well, I'm sorry, you can't have locks. First of all, that came from someplace, Mike. That view of what's not right, what's not proper came from somewhere. It's not just, well, I don't like that. It's not just right or proper. It's I'm going to send you in the room, and they're going to kick you out of the room before you have an opportunity to represent what you could do well our business our client or whatever but the argument i don't think it's right no but it's like i would say god knows i fight with scott but i would send scott anywhere

because i know that the way that he has this image put together, he can be in Dubai, he can go to Africa, he can go down the street to the government. If Scott is my attorney, I don't have any fears. But there are a lot of different things that could change about Scott that would make me be like, whoa, I just don't know if you're right for this right now. But again, Michael, what I'm getting to to again i'm getting to what is a broader issue a deeper issue in terms of what are white norms and values so for instance in the television in the television industry and radio industry for as long as it was you needed the voice it was the midwest voice the midwest voice the whole the whole deal in television was basic you needed the midwest voice and then

when you actually ask people what the hell is the midwest voice really it was like and what was the whole deal with johnny carson we're playing to peoria okay what the hell is peoria what they were really saying was we're playing to white people in the Midwest. I was in Dallas. This is the most KRLD radio. Jack Hines was a news director. Very deep voice. You know that Midwest sound.

So Jack called me to let me repeat it. I was a KRLD Radio in Dallas, in Texas. Jack Hines calls me in and tells me I need to go to a voice coach. He said, because I was like Twain. I said, Jack, your ass ain't from here. I'm from here. Hell yeah, i sound like i'm from texas cuz damn it we in texas your ass don't sound like you from here i said i guarantee you everybody listen to what the hell i'm talking about and it was sort of this and again that standard

came and that was a white standard. When you go on television, watch your clothes. It's like, don't you wear that shiki. Okay, because, again, that's a white standard. It is. Because the real deal is we ain't trying to scare white folks. It's not just white folks. No. But here's the deal, Michael.

I hear what Monica's saying, but when we... First of all, the brilliance of white supremacy is not only has it told us what's good and what's bad. It's really from their perspective. And white folks have also bought into it as well. It's really a white standard. So what if, in these kind of situations, we've had this on the show before,

what if the standard was you cannot come to work with straight blonde hair and blue eyes it's a whole bunch of white folks who can't show up can't show up right if that's the standard because that you're going to scare my client you're going to scare my customer wouldn't that be an interesting world hell yeah it would and if y'all want to see that and if y'all want to see that if y'all want to see that, if y'all want to see that world, there's a movie called White Man's Burden starring John Travolta and Harry Belafonte. I got the DVD.

It's a hell of a movie where the whole deal was flipped, where white folks are broke and destitute, get a death penalty, and we in charge. One hell of a movie. If y'all want to see that world, just walk into black owned businesses. No, no, no. Don't act like it's fantasy time. We select people who look like us, who present like us. We prefer our

own. Pan the room to find a blonde haired, blue eyed woman. We do that and we have a right to. What I am saying is that when you're in private industry, because you said, what if? And I'm saying, and so, because...

No. Well, I... White standard. I have... I don't know. Listen. It's a white standard. Do we have entrepreneurs on the panel? What if it's a professional standard?

How many of us have hired blonde-haired, blue-eyed, thin women? First of all, I've hired big people, thin people. I've hired black people, white people. No, but what I'm talking about is when we talk about these norms and values, we are talking about white but it's standards that are complicated no it's not it is real simple especially standards that have been devised and implemented by white people that we have accepted as the rule and then what happens is when we come in and we change the rule, they're like, okay, what happened? Because somebody black came in and said, that's a stupid rule.

Scott is a hiring partner. And I agree with him. You know Scott got the white standards in his law firm. Oh, really? I got the white standards in the law firm. But let me add some real love to you. How many lawyers are in your law firm? In D.C. or otherwise?

A total. Total? 1,700. 1,700. How many black lawyers?.C. or otherwise? A total. Total? 1,700. 1,700. How many black lawyers? I don't know. I got 30% diversity in D.C. You didn't answer my question.

I didn't say diversity. 30% of the black lawyers. How many black lawyers? I got 30% diversity in D.C., and that's 30 black or brown lawyers. No, how many black? I didn't say brown. Well, I don't know those numbers. I'm not done.

The only numbers that I know are for D.C. How many black partners? In D.C.? Probably six or seven. Six or seven. In history, how many y'all had? I don't know that. How old is the firm?

150 years old. Guess what? What? You had 150 years of white you had 150 years of white folks determining what the rules were so when you came in you had to learn their system their rules their norms their values and implement a culture in order to white culture for the firm and for our clients law firms are not a really good example of this. I don't know.

Hell yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Scott, you're wrong. You're wrong. You don't see color? Back up. Stop.

You got to drink some damn water. You got to drink some damn water. I'm done. You got to drink some damn water. I don't know what color. I said that as a lawyer. I was like, oh, Scott. Hey, hey, I know my next segment.

I know my next segment is called Crazy Ass White People. I got crazy ass black people right here right now. Go ahead. Y'all go ahead and play it. Play it. I have something to say about this issue. Too bad. You never came to me.

You went to her three times. You'll be all right. I don't like it. You messed it up for yourself. No, I didn't. I didn't mess it up for myself. On my property. Whoa. Hey. Give us your ID. You don't live here. You messed it up for yourself. No, I didn't. I didn't mess it up. On my property. Whoa!

Hey! Give us your ID. You don't live here. I'm uncomfortable. Hey, y'all. A 22-year-old white woman who shot and killed a black man who drove away from the scene of an accident has been denied bond after a dramatic 911 call. The incident was played in court.

In May, Kenneth Herring hit a truck and initially waited at the scene or became disoriented and drove off uh could have been you know concussion well hannah payne called 911 claiming herring was drunk and that she was going to follow him punk ass georgina zimmerman the dispatcher told her several times not to follow him, like they told George Zimmerman. Take a listen to the 911 call. He is drunk. I'm not. I'm not. I'm sorry. I'm here to tell you I'm not. I'm not going to follow him because he was going to cause another accident. Ma'am!

Yes. Ma'am! He just pulled the trigger of my gun in my head. Ma'am, he just pulled the trigger on my gun in my head. Ma'am, you are not supposed to follow him. Ma'am. Heron was believed to be having a medical emergency and no drugs or alcohol were found in the system, according to toxicology reports. Okay, first of all, she told your dumb ass don't follow him.

And then you go, ma'am, he pulled the trigger on my gun. The only way. First of all, this man is dead. He's dead. OK, she said this is I'm telling you, these white folks have lost their minds with how they're operating. They lost their minds. And while she may not have been right to have followed him and disobeyed an order, that's not criminal, her defense in this case is going to be that she made a judgment decision in order to try to protect others. And so then there was a struggle for the gun. Whether he was drunk or not doesn't really matter. It's a real tragedy, but she's going to stay in jail.

But watch for her defense. It's going to be a very difficult case to prosecute for the local prosecutors. Michael. I just think everything comes back to who's at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, how white folks feel they can treat black folks any old way and they feel they can do it and they're going to be no repercussions because he's treating the country any old way. So why can't I? But they thought that before. Yeah. Money, what you have here again, which is shameful. These white folks want vengeance.

Dispector says, don't follow. Don't follow them. There's no difference when police departments have rules that say, do not police, do not enter into car chases. When that cop goes, forget that, I'm chasing them. Don't shoot somebody in the back when they're running away, not harming you. Oh, no, I'm taking them down. That's really what we're dealing with here. No, this was murder.

Absolutely. And I don't call her crazy necessarily. Homicidal, yes. And I don't, this is where I disagree with you about white fear because what I believe we see in instances like this is people who are in a controlling ruling class who are emboldened and have no fear. Yep. They don't have a fear of law enforcement. They don't have a fear of norms or standards.

They don't have a fear of other people. This woman in particular believed that it was well within her rights and her power to chase down a person and pull out a weapon. And now, as Scott said, again, auditioning for the defense, that she's going to claim that she was concerned about public safety. And someone ended up. But she's not a public safety officer. She's got a right to make a citizen's arrest or to save the lives of others. And she made that judgment call. OK, all right.

All right. I didn't say it was right. And I don't agree with it. Throw her ass in prison. Throw her ass in prison. And I'm trying to tell you, all y'all white folks listen to me who watch. And listen. Well, how many is that? When the dispatcher more than black laws is your law firm. This is real simple. I get, but not. When the district, right, you walk right into that. So I don't know why you need to bring that back up with your five or six black lawyers.

Here's the deal, y'all. I'm telling y'all right now. Partner is not more. Partner is not more. You can tell y'all right now. Same thing. No, it is not. Same thing. Let me tell y'all right now. No, it is not. Y'all need to learn how to listen to dispatchers. And stop.

And see, this is also what happens with y'all folks who want to have guns. Because here's the real deal. When you got that gun, you think you really emboldened. I don't care what anybody says. You act differently when you don't have a gun. I believe you act with some common damn sense when you don't have a gun.

When you got a gun, you think, oh, yeah, I'm big and bad. That's the fundamental problem with all these crazy white folks who are walking around with guns, yelling Second Amendment, and this brother is dead because she's stupid. It was a car accident. A car can get fixed. A car can get repaired. A car can get repaired. This is a life taken. I hope they send her trifling behind to prison

and LaQuisha is her bunkmate for the next 50 to 75 years. And she got to look at somebody black every day. I have no sympathy for her at all. Real quick, folks, because I'm trying to make it real clear they black. Because if I said Becky, you know who the hell I was talking about. All right, real quick, Ava DuVernay's When They See Us came in with the most nominations of people of color, including the first-time non-elite actor in a limited series or movie for Jharrel Jerome's stunning turn as the real-life Corey Wise in the Netflix limited

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