#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 7.31 RMU: #DemDebate analysis; MS man attacked by cops for speeding; #RonaldReagan's racist tape

Episode Date: August 1, 2019

7.31.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: #DemDebate analysis: Who came out on top and what should we expect from tonight's debate; Mississippi man attacked by cops for speeding; #RonaldReagan's racist tape released; California says Trump can't be on the 2020 ballot unless he releases his taxes; Ben Carson gets kicked off of church property in Baltimore while trying to defend Trump + Erika Alexander dishes on her latest projects. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Thank you. Today's Wednesday, July 31st, 2019. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Who came out on top in last night's Democratic presidential debate, which I didn't waste my time watching. We'll play some clips for you. I mean, a whole bunch of people who ain't going to do a damn thing,

who ain't going to be around in six months. But okay, fine, we'll talk about it. A man in Mississippi is pulled over, attacked, and arrested by police for speeding, beaten viciously, we'll talk to him and his attorney, for President Ronald Reagan. We knew his ass was a racist. Some of y'all needed proof. Now we got proof.

We'll play it for you. And also, California says Donald Trump cannot be on the 2020 ballot unless he releases his taxes. Oh, y'all know, he gonna try to sue him. Well, let's see how that goes. And House Secretary Ben Carson, who used to work in Baltimore, goes to Baltimore to defend Donald Trump. In Baltimore, a church says, say, boo, get the hell off our property.

Yeah, straight up. They threw him off the property. Also, folks, we'll chat with Erica Alexander, talk about her latest project. She and I chatted when we were at Essence. And also, a singing showdown between Smokey Robinson and Johnny Gill. The question is, whose girl is it?

They say my girl. From the Jeffrey Osbourne Celebrity Golf Classic. I have that for you. It's time to bring the funk on Roller Martin Unfiltered. Let's roll. He's got it. Whatever the mess, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the spook, the fact, the fine. And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling. Best belief yo Yeah, yeah, it's Rollin' Martin Yeah, yeah, rollin' with Rollin' now

Yeah, yeah, he's funky, he's fresh, he's real The best you know, he's Rollin' Martin now healthcare racism and reparations a few of the issues on display during last night's democratic presidential debate it was the first one of two tonight is the second night it's on cnn which means i ain't watching i was actually busy last last night at the Jeffrey Osborne Celebrity Golf Classic, having a hell of a lot more fun than sitting around watching rapid-fire questions go out when people can't even answer the question. So for those of you who didn't watch like me, roll the damn highlights. How do you convince primary voters that you'd be the best nominee to take on President Trump

and heal the racial divide in America. We'll call his racism out for what it is and also talk about its consequences. It doesn't just offend our sensibilities to hear him say, send her back about a member of Congress because she's a woman of color, because she's a Muslim American. It doesn't just offend our sensibilities when he calls Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals or seeks to ban all Muslims from the shores of a country that's comprised of people from the world over, from every tradition of faith. It is also changing this country. Hate crimes are on the rise every single one of the last three years. On the day that he signed his executive order attempting to ban Muslim travel, the mosque in Victoria, Texas, was burned to the ground. So we must not only stand up

against Donald Trump and defeat him in this next election, but we must also ensure that we don't just tolerate or respect our differences, but we embrace them. That's what we've learned in El Paso, Texas, my hometown, one of the safest cities in the United States of America, not despite, but because it's a city of immigrants and asylum seekers and refugees. We will show that our diversity is our strength in my administration. Congressman O'Rourke, given your record, how can you convince African Americans that you should be the Democratic nominee? As an urban mayor serving a diverse community, the racial divide lives within me. I'm not saying that I became mayor and racism or crime or poverty ended on my watch. But in our city, we have come together repeatedly to tackle challenges like the fact that far too many people were not getting the help they needed in their housing.

And so we directed it to a historically under-invested African American neighborhood. Right now, in the wake of a police-involved shooting, our community is moving from hurting to healing by making sure that the community can participate in things like revising the use of force policy and making sure there are community voices on the board of safety that handles police matters. I proposed a Douglas Plan to tackle this issue nationally because mayors have hit the limits of what you can do unless there is national action. Systemic racism has touched every part of American life,

from housing to health to home ownership. If you walk into an emergency room and you are black, your reports of pain will be taken less seriously. If you apply for a job and you are black, you are less likely to be called just because of the name on the resume. It's why I've proposed that we do everything from investing in historically redlined neighborhoods to build black wealth in homeownership to supporting entrepreneurship for black Americans. Thank you very much.

How are you going to combat the rise of white supremacy? We need to call out white supremacy for what it is, domestic domestic terrorism and it poses a threat to the United States of America. We live in a country now where the president is advancing environmental racism, economic racism, criminal justice racism, health care racism. The way we do better is to fight back and show something better. So I have a plan, for example, on education that says we have to build a better education system for all our kids, but we've got to acknowledge what's happened on race. So my plan has universal tuition free college for all of our kids, but also increases the Pell Grants and levels the playing field by putting $50 billion into historically black colleges and universities. It cancels

student loan debt for 95% of the kids with student loan debt and helps close the black-white wealth gap in America. If Medicare for All is enacted, there are more than 600,000 union members here in Michigan who would be forced to give up their private health care plans. Now, I understand that it would provide universal coverage, but can you guarantee those union members that the benefits under Medicare for All will be as good as the benefits that their representatives, their union reps, fought hard to negotiate?

Well, two things. They will be better because Medicare for All is comprehensive. It covers all health care needs for senior citizens. It will finally include dental care, hearing aids, and eyeglasses. But you don't know that, Bernie. Second of all, second of all, I do know, and I wrote the damn bill. And second of all, second of all, many of our union brothers and sisters, nobody more pro-union than me up here, are now paying high deductibles and co-payments. And when we do Medicare for all, instead of having the company putting money into health care, they can get decent wage increases, which they're not getting today. So look, let's be clear about this. We are the Democrats.

We are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. That's what the Republicans are trying to do. And we should stop using Republican talking points in order to talk with each other about how to best provide that health care. Are you also, quote, with Bernie on Medicare for All when it comes to raising taxes on middle class Americans to pay for it? So, giant corporations and billionaires are going to pay more. Middle class families are going to pay less out of pocket for their health care.

The basic profit model of an insurance company is taking as much money as you can in premiums and pay out as little as possible in health care coverage. That is not working for Americans across this country. Thank you, Senator. Medicare for all will fix that. And that's why I'm. All right, y'all. Hey, hey, hey, hey, we're back on TV. All right, y'all. Well, tonight, 10 more candidates take the stage in Detroit. I ain't going to be watching. I think I'm going to watch Queen Sugar. I'm going to get caught up on Missing City on a Hill.

And there's a couple other shows I haven't seen. I've been traveling on the road. All right, so let's go to our panel and talk about this here. We've got A. Scott Bolden, former chair of the National Bar Association. Pat, one of the pressing legal analysts and crisis manager, Dr. Cleo Monago, social political analyst. All right, any of y'all wish y'all time watching that last night? Could you show a little more enthusiasm?

Nope, nope. It's the second damn debate. It's going to be a debate of a month. It's a bunch of people on the damn stage who don't need to be there, okay? I need Bullitt to take his ass home. I need Marianne Williamson. Y'all can hype up all y'all want to. Ain't no one here else. She's going to be the candidate. That's right. Ain't no one in hell she gonna be the candidate. Ain't no one in hell

she gonna be in the top five. She gonna be in the top ten. She can go home. Hickenlooper, he can go home. Jill Abran, she can go home. Beto, he can go home. Let's see, who else? Who can go home? De Blasio, he can go home. Let's see here. Who

else? There's about 25 of them and so basically about 15 of y'all need to go here and go home i'm just being straight up okay so i keep telling y'all i don't have any interest in these debates you know why because i'm gonna pay attention on october 1st so let all y'all know that now here's the deal the base out in houston matter of fact, I take that back. I'll go here and I'll pay attention to one at TSU because it's in Houston, okay, on the historic Black College campus.

But at the end of the day, we know campaign doesn't start until Labor Day, okay? So there's a whole bunch of people who are on stage who are taking up time, who are taking up space, like Delaney. Go sit your ass down. You ain't going to be president. You're not.

You ain't going to be president. You're not. You ain't going to get close. Sit down. Elizabeth Warren opened up hashtag team whipped that ass on you last night and it was embarrassing. But the other deal is, is all this sort of stuff back and forth and also, let me just say it, okay, I'm not watching debate on CNN. I'm not watching some rapid fire ass.

Okay, quick. Okay, quick. Okay, quick. No, it's policy. It's the future of the country. This ain't no damn rapid fire. This ain't no quiz show. And what the hell was up with that damn opening? What the hell's up with that? See, my problem with these people, they are treating this like a game. It reminds me when I was on CNN doing the healthcare debate and the Olympics was going on. And what's it turn to me, Roland, if this was the Olympics, who gets the gold and silver and the bronze? I said, this ain't no damn game.

This is health care. What has happened is mainstream media is basically telling you, y'all are so stupid, you're so dumb, we can only talk about these things as if it's the WWE or a boxing match match it's not it's the future of the country against an absolutely crazy fool and here's the other piece the day after last night's debate how many judges is mitch mcconnell pushing forward i keep telling y'all on this show okay y'all can run around here y'all can holler about reparations y'all can holler about health

care y'all can holler about allations. Y'all can holler about healthcare. Y'all can holler about all these different things. What you better understand is every single time somebody wants to file a lawsuit or challenge a law or go after one of these cops or deal with education, they're going to go to the federal courts. And if Trump is allowed to put on, if he gets reelected, that means by the end of eight years, literally 400 plus judges will be put on the federal

bench. You better understand what's going on. All right. What are your thoughts? Anybody go ahead. Anybody go ahead. Don't matter. I'm getting water.

I agree with you. But it was somewhat entertaining hearing Mary Ann Williamson and her tangent on reparations and on the 40 acres and a mule issue and how she believed that we should get reparations. It's rare that you hear that kind of language from a president.

She's not going to be president. I agree with that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I think it's a good idea or has potentially... Thank you very much. I agree with that. Why waste my time? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Cleo, go ahead. I think it's a good idea or has potential. By the way, nice shirt. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. What? What about me? It's quite colorful. Go ahead, Cleo. Oh, I think that. If y'all will damn dashiki, I'll compliment yours as well. We know I ain't getting complimented. Go ahead, Cleo. Scott, we have a difference. See, my perspective is always based on what black sensibilities, what black people hear, what black people see and what we actually have opportunity to examine.

The issue of reparations, which I believe in, if no one has noticed, has not been talked about on these levels. It has not been part of the psyche, the imagination, part of how we view in terms of the possibilities for us in this country. And even though these people probably will not win, I think it's interesting to hear the conversation occurring and that the issue has been tapped into our psyche as something that could occur. It came out that I hadn't heard these statistics that supposedly 73% of people surveyed black were supportive of reparations. So being someone who believes reparations should happen,

I think that's important that those types of ideas are running around the psyche to consider no matter who becomes the president of the United States. And I agree with Roland's analysis that this is kind of a WWE. But it doesn't move the ball forward in any way. The reality is what Roland's talking about is come October, there'll be 10 candidates. That's really when we ought to be paying attention. And that's really where we're going to have to peel the onion back even more not just the 10 you're going to get down to three or four maybe when the delegates when the the primaries start i'll still be 10 probably not it may come down what's going to happen is they'll progressively drop out but the reality is this year you got iowa but here's a piece when you

get to i think it's around california's voting, I think starts in like November. The whole equation has changed. Also, the map is going to be different. Used to be all about Iowa and New Hampshire. Now, with Nevada, with South Carolina, now the other states are moving up. Again, the whole point I'm making is this, again, folks, is you have to understand what's going on here. And I'm also looking at history. At this very point in 2016 Monique Jeff Bush's at the top doctorate was at the bottom at this very point in 2007 Obama was down 20 25 points to Hillary Clinton but what happened there was a debate in October and this is what I'm trying to tell y'all when the question was asked to Hillary Clinton

about jobs licenses for elite for undocumented workers she flubbed the answer that opened the door for Obama and that's how he was able to Hillary Clinton about driver's licenses for undocumented workers. She flubbed the answer. That opened the door for Obama, and that's how he was able to close the gap, and things changed in November and December to the primary in January. But all I'm saying is you've got all these different people, and they're all fighting for literally 15 seconds and 20 seconds. The question is, are you getting substantive conversation in these debates the way they're set up? And also, I had Glenda Carr on Tom's morning show today, Higher Heights, and she's also critical of these networks, that you've had two debates so far and not a single

black woman as a moderator. Your thoughts on these debates? Yes. All of these men surrounding me are as wrong as wrong can be. So trust black women. That's my theme for the year anyway. Yeah. Including the one that's about to debate tonight. And please do watch. I agree with you, Cleo, because in my lifetime and I'm almost at 49 years, I've never seen a white woman. And by the way, some respect to Marianne Williamson, the woman who has enough scholarly influence and writing influence for the likes of Madiba Nelson Mandela to quote her work, right, about not playing small because my light is too great to be put under a bushel. We all know the speech. We even think he wrote it. No, it was that woman who last night was on the stage saying,

really, the numbers should be at a trillion for reparations, but 200 to 500 billion is something that she thinks should be politically feasible and can be done. No, we haven't heard anyone on a stage say that. But it's not just that we haven't heard anyone say that. It's that it was coming from someone who was not black and was not male. Last night that got most searched and most repeated and most duplicated were Warren's quote, which I'm sure we'll hear. Don't you interrupt me, Scott, because that's how we get in this trouble in the first place. I hear you doing it. Nobody cares.

And now you're talking out loud. When she drops out of it, nobody will remember her raising a question or those quotes. I said don't interrupt me. Don't want to interrupt me. And you still do it. And that is the madness. And he's still talking. Come on, Scott. Stop. Be quiet.

Thank you, host. Go. Political and civic engagement means ignore him, ignore him, ignore him. If you're right now, you got kids. They're 6th grade, 7th grade, 8th grade, 9th grade, 10th grade If you're right now, you got kids, they're sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, 10th grade. They're going to be voting for the first time.

Every single time a debate happens, listen to the things that the people are saying. Like I was listening last night. Yes, I was on Twitter complaining, not because it was a waste of time, but because they didn't have enough time. Because what Marianne Williamson is saying, yes, she's going to fall off. What Buttigieg is saying, and I can't stop Scott, whatever he's saying, yes, they're going to fall off. But you're supposed to take that information that these mainstream candidates aren't talking about, and you're supposed to superimpose it on them. You take your community organization your civic organization and when they narrow the group down those

are the things that become your demands because those things that they're offering are righteous people can't find some of these arguments on their own these are people who at least have enough money to make it to the second debate. No, it's not irrelevant. Hell yes, it matters. So here's why I say, well, here's why, here's my problem. Here's my problem. First of all, I remember, first of all, Hey, I'm talking, right? We can't tell. I'm talking Astro. I'm talking. Now, here's why I say it's irrelevant. How many questions came up dealing with education?

We had a sister on the other day talking about the survey of black women. She talked about the three top things. How many questions came up dealing with the education how many questions came up dealing with the issue of voter suppression dealing with how they're going to attack that as well how many of those came up the reason i'm saying that is because what you have to understand pete folks who are watching the people who are controlling the debate, it's not the Democratic National Committee. It's not the candidates. The debates are structured for the networks to boost their stars.

It's all about, hey, who can we get to fight? Who can we get to go at it? Who can we get to do a gotcha moment? It's actually not about information. That, that to me is why it drives me crazy but that's not watching it just give me one second he ain't gonna interrupt you ain't gonna interrupt me what this is about is it's about the drama it's about the drama because what has happened is and this is why Trump is president, it's because all of these networks, Les Moonves said it, he said Trump may be bad for America, but he's great for CBS.

Exactly. It's the drama. And that's what drives me crazy. It's not about the future. Scott, make your point. Each one will make another point. And then I'm going to a break. I'm going to my story in Mississippi.

Scott. Let me make a quick point. The reason it's a waste of time is because you had ten people on stage and probably eight of them, no, maybe five or six of them, aren't going anywhere. They're taking up space, not because you want to put somebody else there, but because the amount of fundraising, the amount of energy, the amount of resources going into the primaries and going into preparation for these debates is just a complete waste of time. Those lesser candidates may be making some very valid points, but we can make valid points with holding the other individuals accountable who are polling higher and who are having much more money.

That's why it was a waste. That's why you shouldn't necessarily be watching it. I watched, but I'll be honest with you, but for that debate, it didn't change my life. I didn't learn anything more about reparations. And we're no closer to getting reparations now than we were before Mary Williamson or Mary Ann Williamson made her statements on national television. Cleo? I believe, and this is similar to what she just mentioned in terms of some essences of it, I believe that these debates also create a narrative that if it wasn't for the debates, that narrative wouldn't be out in the world or in this society. It wouldn't be on national TV, at least. Right.

And I believe that, in terms of possibility, the discussion on reparations on that platform does potentially plant seeds in black minds and other minds that this should happen, this is a possibility. Which is correct, because if you go back to 1984 and 1988, when Reverend Jackson ran, he was bringing up issues that the other candidates were not talking about And he was and that was what was happening there. Go ahead. He was a viable go ahead to lots of delegates I have seen a few debates in my life and that has never happened before and

Young people are putting their mind from a black people and others putting their minds around Particularly hearing from the mainstream media that 73% of black people support reparations, that's a brand new consideration in the psyche of black folks to make sure it happens. Also, I think it's important to understand that black people see that white people are trying to be blackologists, trying to, there were some questions that were specific to black people, and that they look kind of strange and foolish being that they benefit from white supremacy and privilege, talking as if they're concerned about black people. people i think black people need to be able to see what they can see through you can't see through it and analyze it as problematic if it's not there

to see money i agree and i'm going to use this like the same extemporaneous amount of time they had last night three things yes when she said that it was important to put that energy out and put that word out but it also created an important challenge because then they immediately went to sanders right yes and she's saying we're entitled to two to five hundred billion dollars but it really should be a trillion and then oh boy comes talking about i'm with the cliburn plan let's talk about education let's talk about housing. And I'm like, dude, against your two to five... Which, by the way, hold on.

You're going to finish your point. Reclaiming my time. No, you're not reclaiming your time because if you can explain the Clyburn Amendment to the audience, go right ahead. Yes, I can. Okay. Go ahead. Can I? Go ahead. okay so cliburn's plan for reparations involved and i will actually clobber's plan not for reparations go ahead yes it was it was well

not for reparations meaning pay for reparations through other forms which were education health care and property transfer that's not what it is and it was supposed to be a reduction in taxes no it's not okay no it's not no it's not no it was supposed to be a reduction in taxes. No, it's not. OK, no, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. OK, the Clyburn Amendment is this. He wants every time there's a federal bill for 10 percent of the federal funds to go to those counties where 20 percent or more of the people have lived below the poverty line for at least 30 years. But it's not money is the problem. It is money. It is money. I'm telling you, how do I know? Because I interviewed Clyburn. I have been discussing the Clyburn Amendment for at least nine years. He tried to get the

Obama administration to sign on to that to make it a part of the bill, but they wouldn't do it. Here's the other issue, though. This is why Bernie Sanders is wrong by continuing to invoke the Clyburn Amendment in this context. There are 400 plus counties that qualify for this designation. Again, 20% of the people have lived below the poverty line for at least 30 years. Two thirds of those counties are Republican congressional districts.

In the South. Precisely. So that's why when Williamson talks about reparations and Sanders shifts to the Clyburn Amendment, he don't go together because what's with the Clyburn Amendment is actually two thirds will be going to poor white people. Now you can continue.

And what I thought hearing them and seeing the contrast and listening to what people said or later today was people noticed the difference. Right. It seemed like a huge not just pivot, but punt for him. And I personally I'm not against Sanders. Like I said, whatever Democrat comes out or non-Democrat who comes out being Sanders, I'm going to vote for them as opposed to Trump. But they could see she was aiming for something that would actually repair this huge breach. He was not second. Buttigieg might not make it right, but you ain't going to make it when you pull a zero, 2% on black people. And that's fine. But the reason why it mattered

last night is because there may be young white, black Latino, males or females who are gay or homosexual or lesbian or queer or anywhere in that stratum who are looking at this man who's the first openly gay male married man to run for president and make it to a second debate and thinking that that is something that is available for them. So if they were able to see that last night, maybe two terms, three terms from now, they'll make it a little further, like the way we did with the guy, the dark-haired guy with the skinny ears. Well, actually, but the difference between those two is the guy who won was a state senator, a United States senator, where this guy was a mayor of a 150 people town. 150,000 people. And here's the other deal. Here's the other deal. It's real simple. You ain't winning nothing

if you're polling 0.2% among black people. Okay, here's the deal. Y'all keep talking about that debate. I'm done. We're good. Yes, it is. Okay, because you know what it's going to be another one next month then in october there's one in december i know that i said next

month still july yeah this this this is yeah this august this august it's whatever month you want what's tomorrow what's tomorrow tomorrow is not today July today. He admitted it's around the corner. What's tomorrow? It ain't around the corner. No, he didn't. He didn't admit it at all. It's tomorrow. It's tomorrow. And that's the six damn hours.

That's around the corner. You should know what the hell I'm talking about. I'm going to drink your water. I'm going to a break. When we come back, we're going to talk Mississippi. Black man viciously beaten. And as cops say, we did nothing wrong. He didn't beat himself.

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This video has been going around social media and it's recorded by Miss Shields. I'm giving you the background, the details of what happened, but listen to the cop in his exchange with the brother press play because you're being detained for what that's what i'm trying to detain for what that's what i'm trying to get the understanding of you got you had an attitude when you looked at when i looked in your eyes and your window rolled down you said follow me and you turn your lights on and you turn your lights on and pull him over. And I followed you slowly.

Put your hands behind your back. What? I'm not getting arrested. You are getting arrested. What? Get your hands behind your back. Why am I getting arrested? Get your hands behind your back. Why am I getting arrested? Why am I being arrested?

You're being arrested for speeding. Now you're getting resisting arrest. How? When you didn't tell me that? That ain't what you told me. Give me. Ram, please. Ram, please. Please don't do that. Don't do that.

Get on the ground. Don't do that. Get on the ground. Don't do it. Just wait till somebody come, Ram. I'm waiting on the ground. Just wait till somebody come. Just wait till somebody come.

Ram. Get on the ground. Just wait till somebody come. Just wait till somebody come. Graham. He ain't on the ground. Okay. Graham, please just don't move, because he's trying to mess with you anyways. I ain't about to fight with you, sir. You need to give me your license. Okay, so now you want the license. Now you want the license.

Now you want the license. You want him to get on the ground. What do you want the license. Now you want the license. Now you want the license. You want him to get on the ground. What do you want him to do? What do you want him to do? You want the license? Get on the ground. I can't make it. Get on the ground.

I'm not doing anything. Get on the ground. For what? For what? Get on the ground. Why? Stop moving. Stop moving, Ram. Get on the ground. Why? Ram stop moving, stop moving Ram. Get on the ground.

Okay, now he got his bag up, just stay right there. Just stay right there. Can you put your hands out of your pockets? He want the license, he want everything. Help me get a hand close. Put your fucking head behind you. My goodness. Oh my goodness. Y'all gotta do all that.

Do y'all gotta do all that? Do y'all gotta do all that? Y'all ain't gotta do all that. You ain't gotta do all that, sir. You ain't gotta do all that. All this shit what God's for. Y'all supposed to be out here protecting us. Y'all set up this church.

Y'all goddamn ass. That's so fucking stupid. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all got no fucking way to protect us. Y'all supposed to be out here protecting us. Y'all set up this church.

Y'all goddamn it. That's so fucking stupid. Folks, we're joined now by Robert Morton, along with his attorney, Carlos Moore. Robert, first of all, I listened to that video. And here's what I'm trying to understand. He tells you you're being detained. But detained and arrested are two separate things then and listen to the video he then asked for your driver's license okay normally when i've been

stopped normally what happens is even if you're speeding normally you get pulled over the officer approaches your car ask for your driver's license as well as title and insurance to your car. Then they go back and you run it or whatever. What happened there? How did it go from... What happened before we saw the video where you're out of the car?

All right. Let's go with what you said. All right. When he approached the vehicle, he demanded license and registration I'll leave over to pull my wallet I'm a pocket grandma wanted I open it up and I ate my girl and grab the insurance card I don't read well I was handing in my ID out my wallet I ain't why we being pulled on he said step out the car I opened the door and get out or while he was in the car outside the car he says we stepped on the back of the car

stepped on the back of the car put my hands on the car immediately he walks from the car grabs me off the car and that's when the video really started I pulled away from him and he said I'm right here on the car and that's what a. Okay, so he says you were speeding. How fast were you going? I was going, my cruiser, I always say when I'm traveling on the road, it's always between 70 and 75. Yeah, I'm going to speed up

if I'm passing the vehicle or whatever, but I'm on the right lane, so there's no car to pass. I can't pass anybody if I'm in the right lane. But if you're speeding, that's a speeding ticket. How is it, how does it go from speeding? I mean, Carlos, you can jump in here. How do you go from speeding to you're under arrest for speeding?

It happens because he's a black man in Mississippi, and this was a white trooper. And so, unfortunately, Mississippi is still burning, and they saw a black man they could pick on. That's what they did. Robert, you were not obeying his orders. And I saw this video. I'm going, this dude is going to shoot you.

And look, understanding being angry and upset, but you, your pregnant fiance is there. Another child is there. Why did you react the way that you did? Because I wasn't in the wrong. I haven't did anything wrong. And it doesn't matter if he would arrest me, detain me or whatever, ram my license, gave me a ticket. I went down to jail. And whatever would still

would have happened it still been charged on my end regardless of the fact if i resisted arrest on camera or not if i would have did everything he did like i did to be in that position in the first place it's still a bit so when when do a person or individual stand up for themselves when you know you ain't getting along i. I understand that. Anytime. He could have killed me right there for standing up for myself, but that's what I believe in. I ain't going to get on the ground when I need everything you ask me. That's any man. I respect a man.

I respect that officer until he told me he pulled me off the car when he didn't have to, when I was presenting all my information inside the car. So he could have killed me. All right. Carlos, what are you pursuing? We're going to pursue federal charges against the officer for excessive force.

James Scott, the second officer that came up and choked him, he made the situation a lot worse. He escalated the situation instead of de-escalated. And we're going to pursue him and the first officer for violating this man's civil rights. I mean, we believe he was improperly seized and searched, and they used excessive force greater than the need called for. Robert Morton, Carlos Moore, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks for joining us. Thank you.

All right. We'll go to Cleo first. Cleo, you have worked with law enforcement in the past there in Los Angeles County. We have discussed these numerous videos beforehand. So just your thoughts on what transpired there. Well, I wanted to hear, and I'm sure I will from my co-panelists, because I hear some critiques of the brother. And I couldn't be hearing wrong. They'll speak for themselves. What I think we should consider is that black men,

particularly working class black men, but all kinds of black men, because I've been accosted by the police, including when I was in a police uniform, are tired of this. There's an offensiveness that's based on actual experience, the witnessing of experiences, and experiences of the murder of black people at the hands of cops that have become part of the public sphere here.

So they're not trusted. Of course, there could be an overreaction. Some of us might interpret his behavior as overreaction. But when a cop comes, we're not looking at it, a lot of black men, from a linear perspective, meaning what happened that day. We're looking at the cumulative effect of having seen and heard and been accosted so many times for just being a black man. And sometimes even if it puts their life at risk, I'm not saying I agree with that because

I don't. I'm talking about behavior, cause and effect now, not logic. But not as black men. Remember Sandra Bland? Absolutely. What? I mean, Sandra Bland, what happened to that case? She fits in this conversation. Go ahead. She absolutely fits this conversation. Exactly.

And I think from my own analysis, Trayvon Martin does, too. I think he was mad about being tracked and followed by some strange man who's like, what the hell? Who wasn't a cop. Right. Exactly. Was questioned by a non-cop. But even non-cops, when black people are in the store, follow them around the store. Merchants follow people around. So the security guard, who's considered a fake cop sometimes by certain people, they follow you. And you get tired of it. So it looks like to me when this brother was being accosted, yes,

he was going 70 miles per hour. He was speeding. In what zone? But he was not doing something that's illegal and that you get arrested for. Not true. Not true. Let me just say this. Those three comparatives. Don't forget what I say, though, about until you get to the legal issues of speeding,

I don't want people to forget the fact that people are living in body with frustration, anger, and fear and terror, which makes them act irrational when the police shows up. Yeah, well, a lot don't allow for all those years of being terrorized. I'm sorry. Until you can get that in the law, you're going to have to live with it. Those three comparatives to those other cases, this case is completely different. As a former prosecutor, let me just say this, right? He was resisting arrest.

You can be arrested for speeding at a certain level in a number of states. Right, right. In Virginia, if you're 30 miles over the speed limit, you can be arrested for speeding at a certain level in a number of states right in virginia if you're 30 miles over the over the speed limit you're gonna be arrested hold on for reckless driving now here he admits that he was speeding right the cop in my opinion said he was under arrest whether whether he's right the cop is right or not no he said he was under arrest when he was at the back one it. It doesn't matter. Excuse me. It doesn't matter. Once he's at the back.

One second. I'm going to follow what I heard. First, the cop said he was detained. Then the cop later asked for his driver's license. Then the cop saying, you're being arrested. That's right. Go ahead. Because it begins.

Because there's nothing bothersome about that. I'm saying that because detained and arrested are two separate things. The intention comes before or at the same time of being arrested. Of course, he wasn't free to leave when he's at the back of that car. Then he's asked for his ID because the officer wants to know who I'm arresting. And thirdly, then he tells him, I'm arresting you for speeding, which you can be arrested for speeding if you're so much over the speed limit. Now, at that point, when the cop decides that he's going to take him,

when he goes to take him, when they decide to take you on the street, you have no choice but to obey those police orders rightfully or wrongfully, unless your life is at risk. In most jurisdictions, if you believe your life is at risk, then you can defend yourself. Now, look at the video. The video is the best evidence for the police and against him, right? He refuses to cooperate with putting his hands behind his back, and then he breaks away from the officer and swings on the officer. It's right there. Then the officer backs up. Hold on, Henry. I want you to play the video.

Scott's going to continue. Then I'm going to have Monique. I want you to pull the audio down. Scott, go. Then he swings on the officer and the officer backs up and puts his gun out. Then the defendant is narrating what, when, where and how he's not cooperating. He even says, I'm waiting on backup. So when backup gets there, because the cop keeps his gun on him, but the cop doesn't shoot him, doesn't try to fight him or anything, then this backup gets there, right, approaches him, he's told to do the same thing. And then he resists again, and that's when the two of them put him on the ground. Monique. This is not a good case for the defendant.

Monique. Right. So I spent 11 years defending a municipality, including police misconduct cases for. But look at the video. That's why the police officers showed restraint. And then he's standing there on second monique is resisting shot monique make your point um he has the freedom to use his mouth any way he wants to use his mouth keep the video up please um he does not have the freedom to use his hands or any other part of his body what he is doing is not just unwise, it's criminal. It does not matter why he was stopped, why he was pulled out of the car, why he was being searched, at the point that you put any part of yourself in offense on a police officer. You just changed what you could have walked out of as a regular stop into a felony, which is assault on a police officer. I credit

what you're saying, Cleo. I understand the history. Scott was in this very chair. I was over there two and a half, maybe three weeks ago, we had a heated debate and I was in the position of when a black man has enough and enough is enough and et cetera. He swung again. It wasn't this though. It wasn't a case like this where you've got one like, see what really happened is bra is given off that I'm driving and I'm high effect from the minute he gets out of the vehicle. And all of the officers antenna go up and he's trying to pat for safety. And you can see he's doing the right technical pat for safety. And Bruh won't withstand it.

I don't know why. But at the point that you got your breakaway arms and your spin, I was thankful watching it three times that bro wasn't dead. Exactly. But as to the anxiousness and the frustration and et cetera, with no offense to our men who should be offended, that's the defense those senators use about why it's justified for Trump to break every law under God and man. Because he's frustrated. Because he's wrongfully accused time after time. Because he's an innocent person. There's no such justification in the law for breaking the law.

It is a reason why you think you are breaking the law. No, wait, wait, wait. And Cleo, Cleo, Cleo. And this is, and this is, I think this is the conundrum and you're absolutely right. There, there are moments when, when again, I'm going to use Sandra Bland. Sandra Bland knew the law. And she knew that cop was full of it. But the problem is the cops know. They know at the moment they give you a command. It doesn't

matter if they're wrong. The problem is the law says if the cop gives you a lawful command you must obey and you're absolutely right we've seen other videos where black folks frustrated she was frustrated cop tried to snatch out of the car she's like no for what because he said put your cigarette out and when he ordered and again he ordered her out of the car yeah and she said i'm smoking it's legal he oh you disobeyed the command now you got to get out

then that's when she should pull him out no then he shut the general door open but the reality is this that brother said fine if he killed me if he killed me but the reality is and it's painful and it's hard as hell it's hard to shut your mouth. It's hard to suck that up. It's hard to do. But the reality is the law is not meant for citizens. The law is all most of the law is on the side of these cops. Cleo. One thing I want to respond to is what she said about Trump and somebody else using excuses of being frustrated. I think it's important to understand that it's the difference between being strategically manipulative, which is what Trump and them are doing, to make excuses to keep doing the

monstrous crap that they want to do and get away with it, and a brother who looks just like the kind of person that's constantly being murdered by the cops, who's constantly being harassed by the cops, who's constantly being harassed by the cops, who's constantly being put in a position where they've got to be controlled. I mean, the brother said something that I heard when he said, brought up man, being treated like a man. Right. And there's a lot of brothers in society who feel castrated by this culture.

Right. Based on direct and indirect information and experience. And we need to create space to heal that acknowledge that and and know that is real because there's a lot of shutdown of black male experience in this country and the lack of even when it comes to voting and all types of activity that we need to do to advance ourselves a lot of brothers feeling feeling shut out and that may be true but this is but you can't get that out of that but this is but and this is where you hear and even if you play the video where even his fiancee robert stopped robert stopped because

basically what she's saying is live to see another day exactly and but here's so but to your point he was a brother who was who was pissed who was who felt so disrespected, who felt so angry. Scott, it don't matter when it comes to the law because the reality is... It does matter. No, Scott, it doesn't because what he's saying is... We've got to figure out what to do with his rage.

What he's saying is when someone reaches a boiling point and emotions take over, that is the reaction. But what you heard from the fiancé is what a lot of sisters say now we a lot of mothers say a lot of fathers come home alive it's no different when i showed the billings montana video where the sister was cussing the cops out and her husband was trying to calm the situation down and she when she cussed him out, but. But she was right about it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Let me finish. But when we interviewed them and the husband came. I was here. What did the husband say? I was trying to calm it down because then I didn't want to have to get involved. Because what he was saying was, if it got to that point and that cop put his hands on my wife, it was about to be a problem. And so for black people, we're caught in this conundrum

where we have to sit there and suck it up, and we know it's BS, and we know it's foul, and we know these cops are playing games. But the point is, you've to live to see another day. And some of us, I'm not talking about me. When I say us, I'm talking about as a black man, don't want to live to see another day. There's something called quasi-suicide. And there's something called where people unconsciously put themselves at risk to be killed because where they live and their environment is not attending to them.

So they're like, F it. And so they go off. And you heard him say it. and we did and we got to look this ain't the time probably and we don't have enough time to get into the nuances of this but what's happening with our people male and female particularly male is putting a lot of us to the brink right and there's no conversations about it and it's leaving us at the brink and that brother was on the brink. And you're right. And why we got to talk that down? Because had that cop pulled that trigger,

the cop would have been lawful to do it. And that sister would have been like Blenda Castile's girlfriend, left without a man. And she would have a baby who would never seen a father. And that's the conundrum that we're in but it's about living to see another day go into a break we'll be back and roll the mark unfiltered defining myself as opposed to being defined by others is one of the most difficult challenges I face.

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We knew Ronald Reagan was a damn racist. But now all of a sudden, an audio recording has been released of a phone conversation between Ronald Reagan, who's the governor of California, and Richard Nixon when he was president. Y'all remember, Richard Nixon taped everything. And Lord, praise the Lord for his taping, because we have had some insights into the bigotry and racism at the highest level in America. Now, the tapes, folks, were private because he resigned. So what happened was they were moved to the Nixon Presidential Library. Now, when the National Archives originally released the tapes of the conversation in 2000, let's be real clear, they punk asses redacted,

and I'm saying that's right, they redacted the racist part to protect Reagan's privacy. So why weren't these tapes released when he was running? Listen to what happened. Those African countries, they're still uncomfortable wearing shoes. And then the tail rags the dog there, doesn't it? Yeah. The tail rags the dog. Okay, it was 1971, and they were talking about something that took place between African diplomats at the United Nations, Reagan refers to these African diplomats as monkeys and says they haven't even gotten used to wearing shoes.

One of the Reagan biographers, Monique, comes out and says in all of his research, he had never uncovered anything of Ronald Reagan being racist. He launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, which is only known for one thing in American history. The murder of three civil rights workers, Cheney, Schwerner, and Goodman. I mean, we don't know about Philadelphia, Mississippi

for nothing else. That's one. Who was the originator of the welfare queen? Ronald Reagan. Who was the man who absolutely opposed MLK's birthday as a federal holiday? Ronald Reagan. Who was the man who said, no way in hell will I sign a bill putting sanctions on the leadership in South Africa,

the white racist leadership in South Africa, Ronald Reagan. Black folks, we always knew. Now, white folks are like, oh my God, Reagan called them monkeys. Not our Ronnie. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. What do you have to say about Ronnie? Oh, I'm sorry. I left out one. Y'all do also remember when the Black Panthers came to Sacramento, the state capital, with the long rifles? They immediately banned that shit.

When black folks, yeah, when black folks, yeah, when black folks roll up with long rifles, they like, oh, we got to change this damn law. We ain't having that. It was legal. It was legal. It was legal for them to be there with the rifles. D.P. Newton started the law and says,

the law says if we carry long rifles and point them in the air, it's legal. So they went to the state capitol with them guns. When them white folks saw Negroes with long white with it, oh, hell no. We got to change that law. Ronald Reagan signed into law. Yes. So the thing is, the GOP is indeed still the party of Reagan, just like they've been saying they were.

And we were trying to disagree with them. But, of course, it's accurate. And I was in second grade. I think it was Carter versus Reagan. I was representing Carter in the debate. I brought peanuts. And my opponent brought jelly beans.

The jelly beans won. Reagan was that kind that kept it, you know, the slip wasn't showing. And he was a consummate entertainer and a consummate politician before, you know, his frontal lobe started disappearing on him. And so contrasting to Trump, of course, Trump just puts his out there. So it's easy for people to look back now, not just at Reagan, but at so many of our leaders during that time who we all know by their policies and actions were indeed racist but because

they didn't wear their racism on front street and would still give you a hello and how do you do that means they're not racist and scott that's what's hilarious to me people like my god we didn't know okay because after jim crow it was keep that stuff private. You know, the other thing that white Democrats and Republicans did in the 60s and 70s, and even now, right, they let George Wallace be the racist boogeyman that he would say segregation now, segregation in the past, segregation forever. Now, they sympathize with him and empathize with him, but they let him be the boogeyman, if you will. But they're racist blood and bones and their policies. But what they said behind closed doors, I wish we had iPhones then or Androids then in the 60s and 70s, because I think we would be we white America would be far more sensitive. I mean, but it's sooner than later.

But Cleo, again, at the end of the day, it's like, look, and this is the problem when people go to Trump tweeted, there's not a racist bone in my body. Your own lawyer, Michael Cohen, has revealed what you talked about. We know the deal. And the problem is, I'm going to play a video in a second of a conversation that happened today on Fox, where a white woman was calling Trump a racist and a black woman, Harris Faulkner, was like, you shouldn't use those words. Cleo, go ahead.

Go ahead. Well, as I've talked about before on this show, no matter how racist some white people are, except for Trump, to some extent Trump as well, people don't like to be publicly shamed. People don't like to be publicly put on front street for what they really are,

because how people are performing public is important. If they're two-faced, I mean, what's the name of Americans who said somebody forked on? So two-facedness is a part of the culture. None of us, well, I'm not surprised at all that Reagan is a racist. But what bothers me is that the society as such, and this is something that Trump ironically complained about, is so PC. And even what's his name, the attorney general under Obama, Eric Holder. Eric Holder. Remember what happened to him? We call it a nation of cowards.

And guess what? Exactly. It was Rahm Emanuel who said put him on ice. Exactly. And let me be real clear with y'all. See, this is why y'all don't really want me to write the black book on the Obama administration. What really happened, what had happened that speech was given in February of 2009. And what then happened was they put Holder on ice. That's right.

For he would they would not allow him to do a national television appearance. That's right. More than a year. How do I know that? Because when i saw eric holder in 2009 and congressional black caucus foundation dinner he said man i would love to have your show be my first sunday appearance he's aging in february and after that david axelrod went at eric holder and that was almost a fight axelrod almost got his ass whooped in the oval office but going after holder and they had to hold hold it back and val Jarrett had to go calm him down. Just want to let y'all know that. And so then the only first, the only, when was his first appearance? When the guy in the New York Times Square got busted with the bomb. That's when Holder was allowed to go on national television because Rahm Emanuel,

the chief of staff to Obama, was so angry that he said America was a nation of cowards. And this occurred under the Democratic rubric, Democratic Party rubric. Am I correct? Yeah. Just so folks know, a little history. Yes. I'm just kind of just raising and synthesizing the fact that when people talk about racism in this country and put it on front sheet and reel as Holder did, people lose their

minds and they can get in a lot of trouble, even if they're black speaking losing their mind okay y'all let me put this this was so funny i literally y'all i'm telling you this is y'all gonna laugh at this so on the fox show outnumber the show so harris falcon is the only african-american woman who has it who has an hour of a daily show and she's okay and so she's on Fox News. This conversation happened today. Y'all got to see this. I mean, I saw and I was like, really? I know Harris. Nice sister. But Harris. Really? Really? She got issues. The white woman had to break it down. And then you like, you were clutching pearls. We will use that language. Here we go to my iPad. He stops it in front. He can make those arguments, but it We're going to use that language? Here we go to my iPad. He can make those arguments, but it's not going to change the fact that he is a racist, that he does racist things.

Okay, those are two different things. No, you're talking about voting. Listen, a birther means that you are a racist. Telling women of color who are congressional representatives to go back to where they came from when three of them were Americans from birth. One, a refugee who is now a citizen is racist. Thinking that the Central Park five is still guilty, though they have been exonerated, is racist. OK, and Elijah Cummings. Hold on. Elijah Cummings, his district contains parts of Baltimore. It is also part of the suburbs. It is in the 61st percentile for median income in this country, above McMulvaney's, South Carolina's fifth, which is 22 percent. It is also 70th percentile in poverty, whereas Kentucky's fifth, a district that President Trump, I'm sure, loves because his voters are there.

I want to step in for just a couple of seconds because, Steve, I want you to comment on Jessica calling the president racist based on things that he has racist things or yeah but I mean you would agree that people can say something and not actually have the name calling we've been talking about and you didn't like it when AOC and the staff member did it for Speaker Pelosi I mean it's a loaded word you think that Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump are in the same conversation when it comes to race? No, that's why I... I have sat on this couch and been badgered and pushed...

That's why I don't like the name calling at all. ...to say that Ilhan Omar is an anti-Semite... It doesn't get us anywhere. ...or that she said anti-Semitic things, or AOC, or Rashida Tlaib. People need to be honest about what he is doing. Do you think the name calling helps? I think that calling people, this is the solution.

Call them out on what they say. Okay, PC culture is BS, right? But right now we are seeing something that only after the riots did we see under past administrations in Baltimore. That's not fair, though. You want to talk about policy? Well, it may not be fair, but it's a fact. I want to get Steve back in the conversation. But I gave you a bunch of facts.

I can give you facts too. Poverty level has huddled above 26% for many, many years in Baltimore. It has come down recently, but it's still unacceptable that it's at 22 or plus percent. I mean, Baltimore has real issues. But why talk about Baltimore as a place that no human would want to live? He doesn't talk about white districts like that. That's what Bernie Sanders said as well. He doesn't care that it's a third world country. This is insane. No, but you're playing a semantics game with that.

Oh, my God, guys. I will remember this the next time that we see. It's all about the Benjamins. And you want me to sit here and talk about Louis Farrakhan? You work for a party that calls President Trump a racist. I don't work for a party, by the way. You are in a party. You are part of a party as a Democrat who calls President Trump a racist and then kisses the ring of

people like Al Sharpton who is there during the race riots and crowns no justice no peace where the head of the ring is a racist you're in a party where Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez points at Nancy Pelosi and says you're racist the Congressional Black Caucus points at the Justice Democrats and say they're targeting African-Americans. Rat infested. No human would want to live there. Look, I appreciate the passion and I know that we will go back and forth, but it's a conversation. OK, and when you put your hands in the air and you roll your eyes and we kind of go back and forth, it feels less like a conversation, but that's where we need to be.

Stephen. Well, I see that I've missed a lot. You have. Welcome back. Look, I mean, I would just say, I think Lisa's right when she points out that Democrats have used the charge of racism against Republicans going back years, including to people who didn't deserve to be called a racist at all. I think Jessica's right when she lists the number of things that Donald Trump had said that are at the very least racist comments. I mean, I think the attack on Judge Curiel, the judge from Indiana, where the implication was that he couldn't decide fairly because

he was born of Mexican Hispanic descent. That's a racist thing to say. And if you string those things together, I think that's why you have 51 percent of Americans saying that they think he is racist. The problem here is this is what our political debates have. Fox News. No, that's not Fox News, not Fox News. I know. But here's the thing. I don't know that Fox News I'm ashamed to say that that sister just spoke to that woman a way

that Laura Ingraham has never spoken to me when I have said everything that woman said and worse and same thing for Crazy Tucker never been disrespected in that manner never been spoken to like the fact that my passion or my hand raised or my whatever eye rolling meant right i mean she

well dressed her she dressed her down for her conviction and then offered up as a defense we're less poor? Ooh. Can they have me on? Here's my open invitation. Can we take a response? They can have you on, but you're not a white woman. Oh my God.

But that's even worse. I mean, that's even more off. Well, it's real bad. And I haven't witnessed what you're saying but based on what you're saying yeah they don't call roll no wonder why go ahead anyway it's easy to if from my perspective to write you off regardless of how brilliant you are it's just a black woman doing what black people do complain but when a white woman like you said about marianne williams a moment ago when a white woman does it they can't do nothing but shut it down because they're not willing willing to in their mind be it's disrespectful

to you as they are they they will they will they have a hard time dismissing to the level and they expect you to do what you're doing. But the they was us this time, though. Well, but see, the they are black disassociative Republicans who are there to be eyewaxed. They ain't always us. Well, they are. They, hold up, all your English teachers, they ain't always us. Exactly. But what gets me is when Tarloff said I'm sorry uh y'all sat on this show and said Omar anti-semitic. See it's amazing you want to call other folk names then when you hit the white guy in over office with the name no no no no let's

talk about what he said not what he is right and it you know the other thing that's really really interesting to me and i've been on tucker's show and i've been on laura england's show they stay here with me i i i don't you know they're not disrespectful they just argue you know silly facts yes and they try to defend themselves and they try to change the narrative the one thing that gets me about America is that it is the GOP that unless you're using the N-word, it's safe ground. No.

Unless you're burning a cross and using the N-word. You can actually use the N-word. You can burn a cross. I disagree. They don't believe that you can say racist things or be racially offensive and be labeled a racist so long as you don't use the N-word and you're not blatant or you don't believe that you can say racist things or be racially offensive and be labeled a racist. So long as you don't use the N-word and you're not blatant or you don't burn a cross.

I guarantee you, I will be shocked if Fox News tonight touches Ronald Reagan calling African monkeys and saying they used to wear shoes. Because that's not their following. That's not their following. And if they do say it on exactly. I've said that too. It's coming. He's so over the top, he's working up to the N-word. And what are we going to do? What are we going to say

when Ronald Reagan... That white woman was not being white? What do we do? There's nothing we can do. Well, she can do that because she's a white woman. No, but I'm just, and again, look, I know Harris. Look, but Harris, come on. You don't make me send you a text.

She wouldn't have heard of that. Harris, you don't make me send you a text. But it's nuts. It's nuts to sit here on a show and you want to call Ilhan Omar anti-Semitic. You want to call names. But then when Tarloff says r says trump is a racist the r word and it's like no no no no no yeah painful and see and this and this is the thing words matter but see this is but see this is the thing and i know people will say well man why you oh like so

let me link the two when i interviewed richard Spencer, you got some Negroes who ain't never learned how, who ain't never debated on television before. Richard Spencer asked you, who are you? You should have said you're a black man. Well, when you're a simpleton and don't know how to debate and you don't know how to disarm your opponent, that's what you would say. Of course, I'm a black man. When Spencer hit me with that, I said, I'm a man. That threw his ass. Same as you.

He was like, he was thrown. Because, see, I used that. First of all, I was a black man. But, see, he didn't see me as a man. He saw me as a black man. So when I hit him with that, that was like a sucker punch. I'm a man. And then when I kept going, and see, that's why y'all don't know how to debate, don't know what I'm talking about.

When you're in a debate, you have to disarm your opponent. Okay? So here's the deal. So y'all want to know why I rarely call Trump a racist or rarely call anybody racist? Because of this kind of stuff here. So what happens is the conversation ain't never about what they say and do. It's the racist, not racist. That's the debate.

So what did Trump tweet? Ain't a racist bone in my body. That's why when the other white woman, earlier she talked about, oh man, Trump is done there, unemployment is low, and the first step at, let me help y'all out when you debate. This is how you do it. Are you

done? And then when they say, this is why folks don't call me. And then when they get done with them three things, because y'all, it's only three things. Unemployment is low. First step at opportunity zones. That's it. And then your response is, so please tell me about reinstituting private federal prisons.

On Jeff Sessions, please tell me about pulling consent decrees in Baltimore and Chicago. Please tell me about telling your prosecutors to prosecute people at the highest form of the law. Please tell me about repealing civil rights protections all across the country in HUD, in commerce, in your various departments. Please tell me about you signing into law of Obama provision that was targeting auto companies that was discriminating against African-Americans in car lending.

You signed that into law as the Republicans passed it in the House and the Senate. I just gave you more than three things. The problem is when you have the racist discussion, it becomes just this sort of broad. Yes, I'm not a racist. Yes, you are not racist. Yes, you are.

No, no, no. I am going to talk about what you do. Tyler Harris Falkner got mad because Tarloff slapped him with a label that was 100 percent correct. And Harris couldn't even acknowledge that being a birther and a racist. She used facts to suppress. She didn't just slap it on. I know that. She dropped it.

One, two, three, four, five. No, no, no, no. Can we not use the title? Because that's a Fox policy talking point. Right. Just night before last, Laura was saying, when you cry racism, it just ruins the conversation. That's what I said. And when there is racism.

Yes, precisely. That ruins lives. But Laura's job is to protect whiteness. But that's the network's job. Right, but that's her job. She took the job. Right, I know that. And she's sitting there...

The whole network. Yes. That's how it goes. We need to look at how the impact of white supremacy on some black folks and how we become black white supremacists. We just watched it. How we become guard dogs for white supremacists. That's what I'm saying.

All right, y'all. Here's the deal, okay? First of all, I know Scott got to go. All right, so, Cap, I'll see you later. I don't know why you're not in Philadelphia with your boys. I'm on my way. All right, folks. Are you on your way?

On your way. Are you speaking? I don't think so. For what? I don't speak to less-than groups. No, you should do it. Less-than groups. No, I don't.

But you speak to high-class houses. I don't speak to less-than groups. Please, y'all, real quick. President Trump is going to be ineligible for the California primary ballot next year unless he discloses his tax returns under a state law that took effect on Tuesday. Signed a law by Governor Gavin Newsom and passed a strict party-line vote in the legislature earlier this year, earlier this month, and requires all presidential candidates submit five years of income tax filings. The mandate will almost surely end up in court.

Ooh, I love this one. Secretary Ben Carson, y'all, went to Baltimore today to hold a news conference defending Donald Trump's racist comments. He was the problem. He did it on the property of Morningstar Baptist Church. You know they black. I ain't never been to a white Morningstar Baptist Church. And y'all guess what? Morningstar Baptist Church? Wasn't having it. Was not having it. Rotate. You were set up on this property right here. It's a church. They said, get off of our property. You know, a church, when we're talking about helping the people, I mean, this is the level

to which we have sunken as a society. If you're going to have a press conference, why not let us know that you're going to use our property to have all of these people standing around? They were actually cleaning up some of the things on the property. Why were they doing that? To make it look good for him. They weren't doing it for us. He knew absolutely nothing about this church when he made that comment. What I'm saying is, you know, we have a society in which people, instead of trying to be helpful, you know, think only about themselves.

What a pawn. That's what you were doing. Can I get a witness? Yeah, but Laura and the doctor have some things in common. Okay, first of all, but I love the church saying you ain't tell us. Yeah. To get the hell off our property. Well, but if a Democrat would have came, they probably wouldn't have said nothing. That's not true. A Democrat probably would have called ahead of time, though. Probably. I mean, you just don't roll up on somebody's property, hold a news conference,

using a black church as your backdrop. I mean, it's common courtesy at least to call say can we drop by yeah i'm just saying well he might have done it before right now no he didn't but no i'm saying they might have allowed something to occur before i don't know my point is that and we all know this that baltimore is very self-conscious and defensive right now and mad right now because the president said what he said and they're not taking any stuff from anybody who looks like they represent that president what he was trying to do what he was trying to do he was trying to pimp the church yeah he was trying to see the signal i'm a black man standing from a black church talking about

baltimore we're trying to help y'all when the fact of the matter is ben carson when was the last news conference you held in baltimore prior to trump's conference trump's comments you didn't have one so all of a sudden try to act like you give a damn about Baltimore when you've been in that office for two years and you have not held a public press conference in Baltimore. Man, I ain't trying to hear it. I got a couple other stories I was supposed to get to, but I'm going to end this show on a much better note

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You gotta give it up for Smokey Robinson. 80-year-old Smokey Robinson. Always a pleasure. I better be glad that Jeffrey was on the side because he was the best singer on that stage. He's a pleasure. They better be glad that Jeffrey was on the side, because he was the best singer on that stage. He's a singer. Jeffrey Osbourne. Wow. It's just the truth.

Negroes just can't leave the show in right. Okay, all right, y'all. I'm trying to get Smokey the Oldest on the stage, okay? Anyway. Anyway. You only get that on this show here, because, frankly, we do black excellence on this show, and we don't sit here and cape for other people. And so I had a great time there.

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