#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 9.18 #RMU: Dem donor Ed Buck arrested; Young Voters vs Boomers; Sandy Hook teens' new shocking ad

Episode Date: September 19, 2019

9.18.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Alleged sex predator and Dem donor Ed Buck arrested; Young Voters vs Boomers; Sandy Hook Promise launch a new campaign with a shocking ad; New report shows that DC schools dress code punishes Black girls; Dallas judge has decided that Amber Guyger's murder trial will remain in Dallas; Texas teacher who asked Trump to deport her illegal students has been fired. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Life Luxe Jazz Life Luxe Jazz is the experience of a lifetime, delivering top-notch music in an upscale destination. The weekend-long event is held at the Omnia Dayclub Los Cabos, which is nestled on the Sea of Cortez in the celebrity playground of Los Cabos, Mexico. For more information visit the website at lifeluxejazz.com. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Hey folks, today is Wednesday, September 18, 2019. I'm broadcasting Roller Martin Unfiltered from Stanford, Connecticut on today's show, Democratic donor Ed Buck has been arrested for basically running a drug den. Remember, two black gay men have died in his apartment. We talked with Jazz Mechanic yesterday. We'll give you the details on his arrest. Also on today's show, young voters and baby boomers have entirely different views about who they want to be the next president on the Democratic side. We'll break down

this whole deal. But Sandy Hook promised teens have launched a new campaign with a shocking video that details what students have to do to prepare for potential school shootings. It is causing lots of debate all across this country. Also, a new report shows that D.C. schools dress code punish black girls. And a Dallas judge has decided that Amber Geiger's trial will take place in the city of Dallas. She is the former Dallas cop accused of killing Botham Jean. And the Texas teacher who asked Donald Trump to deport her illegal students has been fired. Good.

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That is according to the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office. Buck, of course, was arrested. This follows two black gay men dying in his apartment, but it was the overdose of another man, we don't know his race, that caused the cops to finally arrest Ed Buck. We, of course, have been one of the few media sources who really is focused on this. Jasmine Koenig, of course, an activist out in Los Angeles and journalist. She really has been raising the awareness, trying to get media and other outlets to pay attention to the case of Ed Buck. Now that a third person has OD'd, now all of a sudden they decided to actually arrest him. He's charged with three counts of battery, causing serious injury,

administering methamphetamine, and maintaining a drug house. Prosecutors said Buck injected the victim with methamphetamine at his apartment in West Hollywood on September 11th. The victim suffered an overdose, but he has survived. In fact, last night when the news broke, Jasmine sent me a tweet, and she's posted a video. She immediately went down to West Hollywood, has posted a series of photos as well from the crime scene. Again, all of a sudden, you've got people out here, media, who all of a sudden want to pay attention to this story when Jasmine Koenig had been begging for attention for so long.

And so whether it was the Tom Jordan morning show, whether it was my TV One News One Now show and Roland Martin Unfiltered, we really were the first outlet, the national outlet, to really shine the light on this case in demanding that Ed Buck be brought to justice. I want to bring in my panel today, Monique Presley. She's a legal analyst and crisis manager. Eugene Craig, CEO, Eugene Craig Organization. Dr. Julianne Malveaux, she is economist, president, emerita, Bennett College. And Dr. Cleo Monago, political and behavioral analyst. I want to go to you, Monique, first.

The fact that the district attorney's office finally decided to charge Ed Buck, two black men already dead. Now you have a third person ODing. People have been saying finally, and that's really what this is about, justice with this guy. Well, there's justice when justice is done. An arrest is not a trial or a sentencing or a conviction or any of those things that would mean that someone is actually going to pay for crimes if crimes have been committed, so I am glad that this has happened because there have been too many things terrible things to go on surrounding this one man's actions for there not to be some action taken But in these United States, I'm sorry.

I'm reserving all possible signs of optimism. Of course. Of course, Cleo Monago. I frankly don't know why people are so excited. Well, the excitement, Monique, is the arrest. The question of the excited. One second, one second, one second. One second.

Here's what the issue is. And this is what it boils down to, Cleo Monago, and that is Jamel Moore, African-American, injected by Ed Buck, dies in his apartment. Leave a second man who dies in his apartment. And again, folks like Jasmine Cannon were begging for there to be a real investigation. Ed Buck, prominent Democratic donor, has given lots of money to individual candidates as well. And frankly, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office were not doing their job in conducting a real investigation. And so the reason folks like Jasmine Koenig and the family of Jamel Moore are thankful is they find this guy is in handcuffs and there's a real opportunity

for him to, again, to meet justice because he frankly has been running Scott Freed. And in fact, Jasmine posted a photo of another young black man who Ed Buck had invited into his apartment and then decided to throw him out and then call the cops on the guy. So this guy is a predator. He absolutely is a predator.

And I agree with what Monique said, though. And also another element to this is that so far the talk about him possibly getting charged with something like a five-year sentence. That's nothing. Well, no, no, no, no, no. Let's be clear. He's been charged with three counts. Right. Now, in terms of what the sentence carries, that's different.

And so, again, there are three charges. Go ahead. Okay, well, what's in the press, what's in all the press, is that they're talking about potentially five years. So that's really, if indeed that occurs, two people die. And so that's really kind of the almost sentence, considering what he's done. But the other issue I think is important for us to look at is that Los Angeles has a relatively large community,

and this happened, a homosexual community, and this happened right in West Hollywood under the watch of that community And that community knows how to create a commotion when it's upset about something that it doesn't like and they've never created a commotion about This death factory that this man had right in West Hollywood. Yeah, they never said anything about it So I'm glad that he finally was arrested as well But again, we need to look at the fact that the negligence from the local community and the charges are really small compared to what he's actually been accused of. And Julian Malveaux, that is absolutely right. Jazz McCann and others had to essentially embarrass white gay folks in Los Angeles to stand up and fight against Ed Buck.

And there were Democratic candidates who were resisting giving back money that he had given to their campaigns. That's a role. And that's the disgrace of the whole thing. I mean, Monique is right when she says we're not optimistic, but the arrest is progress. But when you look at the list of donors, you talk about Ted Lieu, who's been out there talking about impeachment, talking about all this stuff, he's been out there talking about impeachment, talking about all this stuff. He has gotten major money from Ed Burke. You look at the rest of the names, you see prominent Democrats who've gotten money from this man.

Meanwhile, this man is killing black people, killing black men, and luring them into his honeypot and then killing them. This is just absurd, but it really does speak to... When we talk about Black Lives Matter, Cleo, it's not only the GBLTQI community in L.A., what about the black community in L.A.?

Why aren't we mad that this white man brings these young black men into his home, injects them with all kind of stuff, kills them, and is still walking around hobnobbing at receptions? Well, I went to Ed Buck's home with Kat. Hold on one second. Hold on one second. Hold on one second.

I want to bring in Jasmine Koenig right now, who joins us by phone. Jasmine, Julianne made that point in terms of, look, you have been on this from day one. You've been reaching out to me. I've been retweeting and posting and having you on these shows. And so give us a sense, give us a sense of the reaction, again, when this whole thing started. What was the black community's reaction? What was the white gay community reaction to when you were sitting there saying, hey, Ed Buck needs to be held accountable?

Yeah, so I first, let me just make this clear. The black community was very supportive and has been, look, from the black media to the African-American caucus of the Democratic Club. It was the African-American caucus and rest in peace, Darren Parker, who was our chair, who recently died. But it was him who took me into the caucus to push the entire party. It took the African-American caucus to push the entire California Democratic Party on this issue, because at the time, the chair of the party was Ed Buck's best friend, okay? So I just want to be clear that Black people in L.A LA have been very supportive. As a matter of fact, I was at a Democratic club meeting for new frontier Democrats last night when I got the message and I announced

it in the club, which is our oldest black Dem club here in California. And the whole room erupted and everyone was ecstatic and happy. The white gay community, that's another story. Okay. Now, yeah, the white gay community, yeah, you know, there's a lot of work that needs to be done there. I don't, I'm not going to say there was no one in the white gay community that was supportive. But overall, did I get the sense that the white gay community thought that this was an issue and wanted to do something about it? Absolutely not. Were there people in the white gay community who separated themselves?

Yes. And they did help. And one of the things that, again, Jamel Moore's family, and what was the second gentleman who died in Airbus? Timothy Dean. His name is Timothy Dean. And he was a 55-year-old black man who died on January 7th of this year. He should not have died because Ed Buck should have been behind bars from the first death with Jamel Moore.

And let's be clear, people. This is the beginning and not the end. Ed Buck is only charged in this overdose of the 37-year-old that happened last week, okay? So he has not been charged in the death of Jamel Moore or Timothy Dean at this time, and we're going to continue to push for those, for the charges to be amended and upgraded and to include charges around those two deaths. Jasmine, I got to ask you this here because it was very interesting seeing folks like Ben Shapiro, this black comedian who loves Trump, Terrence Williams, and all these conservatives going, oh, if this was a Republican, the media would be all over it.

And I've been blasting all of them saying, hey, hey, where the hell y'all been? Don't try to jump on this thing now. Y'all didn't say a damn thing when you were out there, Jasmine, and others were knocking on doors, trying to get national media to pay attention. Now, all of a sudden, you have these conservatives who now want to make this thing a Democrat-Republican thing. When I'm going, they were silent about this as well. So don't be a Johnny-come-lately, Ben Shapiro, Terrence Williams, and the rest of you conservatives out there. Yeah, well, you know, we always tend to get that. And my concern has always been with the Democratic Party and their silence

because far too many of black people vote Democratic. And I cannot belong to a party that looks the other way when we're dying. You know, we holler Black Lives Matter, but as what's been stated earlier, all black lives have to matter, including black lesbians like myself, black same-gender loving men, black gay men. You know, we all have to matter. And so the Democratic Party has a lot of work that they need to do, particularly around race issues, issues around the LGBT community, because the silence is astounding. I will say that the local party, the L.A. County Democratic Party, did put out a statement this afternoon. I'm really happy about that. Still waiting to see what the state party is going to say.

But, you know, every story, as you know, Roland, is Democratic donor, Democratic activist. And rightfully so. The man has given over a million dollars to candidates and elected officials in the Democratic Party. And so it would make sense that the Democrats, the party for all, the party who gets nearly all of black people's votes, would take this seriously and have something to say. Well, Jasmine Koenig, you have been, of course, on top of this from day one. And we appreciate your activism. Always reaching out. We appreciate you, Roland.

We appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me on your show, for having this Nixon on your show, for keeping this whole issue of these two men's lives out there on your platform. You know I love you. You know we've been around. We've been friends for a long time. But I just got to say I really appreciate what you do and how you do it. Well, I appreciate it.

You keep us up to date, and we'll be following this case to the conclusion. Thanks a lot, Jasmine Koenig, live from Los Angeles, discussing the Ed Buck arrest in L.A. I want to go to Eugene Craig. Eugene, get your thoughts on this. I'm going to go back to Cleo. Eugene, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, look, it's a tragedy. You know, this is just the start of justice. Hopefully the other gentlemen' lives are avenged

that were lost dealing with Ed Buck. But, look, the candidates that accept the money from him should give the money back. And the L.A. prosecutor, the overzealous prosecutor when it comes to other things, needs to be extremely zealous when it comes to this. Cleo. There have been black people in L.A.

I go to L.A. a lot because I'm from L.A. and my mother is in L.A. and I go to see her. I've been to Ed Buck's home a few times. The last time I was there, Jasmine and I were both there and I wrote a few pieces about that experience. One of the things that concerned me was the dearth of people who were in front of his house protesting. I know there's people who care about the issue from a distance

and probably were at the event that Jasmine was at where they clapped to hear about the arrest. But when it comes to community presence, grounds on the ground at this dude's house, in front of his murder den, we were not there. And not only was the black community at large not there, but same-gender loving people and organizations in Los Angeles were not there. And not only was the black community at large not there, but same-gender loving people and organizations in Los Angeles were not there either.

So there's paralysis all over the black community regarding stepping up for this issue. And one of the things that Jasmine said that I want to reiterate is that the black community has to start having conversations about the existence of same-gender loving people because the lack of conversation creates a lot of trauma and invisibility among this population, which puts them at risk for the likes of people like Ed Buck

because they feel like they have no support, and because of that trauma, they do any kind of thing to survive how they experience life, including putting themselves at risk. So we need to stop ignoring this population because they're also victims of human trafficking, they're victims of prostitution, all kinds of things because of the lack of community, explicit and blatant community acknowledgement of this population. So we have work to do. And Monique, from a legal perspective,

obviously he's been charged in this with this overdose, this third overdose, and we're still waiting to see if they're actually going to pursue any sort of legal case as related to the two men who died in his apartment in the last year. Right. And these are specific intent crimes and these are grown adults. And that's why these cases are hard. And that's why what Cleo is saying is important. We have to support our community so that they're not in these positions because it's as hard as when we're dealing with sex trafficking cases of adult women and the women are put in the posture by public media and ultimately a district attorney's office if you're in the wrong area where they are blamed because they were adult decision makers and we don't understand what predatory behavior really looks like and how it influences

people when they are poor when they are hungry when they are not educated so these are the things these are the conversations that we have to have the reason why predators are called predators is because they get you when you're isolated you know they take you away from the pack and pounce. So, Roland, these matters have to be looked at, yes, from the position of law enforcement and legal issues, but that's where the hard work is. The better work should be done keeping our folks out of these positions and getting the education and the message out there. Roland, I'm glad that Monique raised the economic piece of this because we're really talking about people who don't have.

And the population that I think has been extremely vulnerable that's not talked about a lot are transgender women. There have been a rise in the deaths, the killings of transgender women. And many of them have, of course, been prost um, prostitutes. Uh, but that does... Being a prostitute doesn't mean that you get a murder sentence. And we have people... You can't make money if you have discrimination in the workplace.

So you're gonna try to make money however you can. You can't eat with gender discrimination, so you're gonna try to make money however you can. And our community has been deficient in surrounding these folks with our love and support. We've had too many, especially pastors, but not only pastors, look askance at these folks'

lives and judge their circumstances based on their lives. Why were these men... I've heard people talk about these... In the case here, these were... In the case here, these were two men. One of the issues you talked about is, again, individuals who were also homeless. And so, yeah, people who there in L.A. say Ed Buck was preying on these young black gay men

who did not have the resources and then offering them drugs as well. And so, yes, the economic piece certainly is what has been talked about in this particular case. But, Roland, I have to say that, and I've got to really emphasize this and underscore this, trauma and isolation is not something that only is owned by poor people. There are people with money

and people who have means who feel a sense of cultural or sexuality dismissiveness. They go in isolation based on these things who put themselves at risk. I mean, I can tell you some stories about clients I've had who were very wealthy, who had self-esteem issues, who put themselves at risk in parks and did all kinds of things because they were struggling with self-concept. So we do ourselves a misjustice. Even with people with HIV, Magic Johnson wasn't broke.

You know what I'm saying? Eazy-E, Max Robinson. I can go on a long list of wealthy people who put themselves at risk because they live in a society across class that doesn't invite them into the conversation in ways that are neutral and not abusive. But Cleo, the ones who are poorer

are much more vulnerable. 30 seconds. Go ahead. Go. Economics makes a difference. the ones who are poorer are much more vulnerable. Actually, folks, 30 seconds. 30 seconds. Go ahead, go. Economics makes a difference. The ones who are poorer are much more vulnerable. I'm acknowledging not diminishing anybody's pain, but if you are homeless and someone offers you some place to sleep,

you go sleep there no matter what happens. If you're hungry and someone offers you a meal, you go eat. But poor people aren't acknowledged. You and Monique both, and I agree with what you said, have acknowledged poor and working class people. What I'm trying to illuminate based on my experience and my profession is people with all kinds of money who are at risk as well because they might be financially wealthy,

but they're culturally broke. Yeah. And self-conceptually broke. I'm not arguing your point. I'm just undermining. Okay, folks. I fully understand that. We got tons of stuff we got to get to. I got to go to understand that. We've got tons of stuff we've got to get to.

I've got to go to a break. We come back. Some Sandy Hook teens have put out a controversial video that has lots of folks talking. It's even had some Sandy Hook parents angry with this particular video as well. We're going to show it for you. I can't wait for that conversation. That's next, Roland Martin Unfiltered.

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we are in the midst of another discussion about gun control and a group called Sandy Hook Promise, they had put out a video and it's really gotten folks talking all across the country because they really hit folks square in their mouth when it comes to this issue.

And so watch this video and we're going to come back and talk about it. This year, my mom got me the perfect bag for back to school. These colorful binders help me stay organized. These headphones are just what I need for studying. These new sneakers are just what I need for the new year. This jacket is a real must-have.

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It's a reality that we're living in right now because of inaction when it comes to gun control, reasonable gun control. You know, Sandy Hook and the kids lives that were lost there, this should have been a moment of action. Parkland should have been a moment of action. You know, the Vegas shooting should be a moment of action. These are all moment of actions that, you know, should have resulted in actual action. But no, here we are having the same conversation around, you know, what our children are now living in the reality of being fair

for their lives of a mass shooter. This video, Monique, I believe is one of those things where it's amazing as I watch people's responses. This is a nation that I keep saying loves guns, but hates it when you're in your face. Hates it when you put something like this out. And it's very interesting when we're watching all these different people respond and react to this video because some say, oh, this is just too much. This is just too much. Did we have to see the blood and the sock being tied?

Did we have to see all of that? Hell yeah. Yes. And for that same reason, when I first started at the Public Defender Service, one of the things we had to do was a rotation going to the medical examiner's office. So I've seen autopsies and seen them pull back a young man's skull and have to remove bullets these are things that need to be in people's faces so they understand what kind of trauma and impact there is it's not until you've been with families

it's not until you talk to children who have lived through the trauma of being out of school where they've had to shelter in place it's not until you've seen as I said the injuries of young men and women who are killed at the hands of people with these weapons that they should not have, that belong in an army base somewhere, that are not for hunting or any of the other excuses that we use in this country. So to me, the United States on this issue is like the United States is about every other issue we don't want to deal with. You don't want to look at it head on. Racism, sex trafficking, gun violence, it's all the same. Let us keep what we have and stay with our heads in the sand about the reality of the pain that's being caused. Roland, I was very...

Cleo, go ahead, go ahead. I was very moved by the commercial, but I had a parallel thought at the same time. Sandy Hook is predominantly not black in terms of its population. There's been gun violence in places like Baltimore and Chicago for decades, and I haven't seen a similar commercial about the fact that people are dying from gun violence in these situations.

And a humanizing, heart-wrenching commercial to make those lives valuable as well that can compel us to look at this gun violence issue. It's because of white kids being killed, which shouldn't happen. Please don't think I'm saying that's a good thing. I'm not saying I think it's horrible and I think a commercial is needed. I'm just talking about equity here and human equity across the spectrum. No, but what I wanted to say to people, though, that Sandy Hook Promise,

which is an organization founded by members of the Newtown, Connecticut community, look, they put this video together. The reality is they put this public service announcement together, have distributed, and that's what they did. And so, I mean, you're absolutely right. But I'm sure, though, that if we look, I'm sure there's probably some African American out there who's done something similar. But the question is, did it get the same level of national attention? You know what, Roland, though?

One of the things I would say about the Parkland young people, and remember that they, when they came last year, they brought African-American young people to the stage. They had the King granddaughter on the stage. They were making the connection, and we're counting on younger people, because obviously our generation is just bankrupt around this stuff, but counting on them to make the connection. The video that we just saw

obviously didn't deal with diversity as much as it might have, but the issue of gun violence cuts across race and ethics, cuts across all kind of lines. Who in the you-know-what needs an AK-47 with I don't know how many rounds in it? We've seen the stories, and Cleo is right. One of the things that frustrates me is the number of young black kids,

especially here in Washington. We see the stories every day. There was a story in the Post over the weekend, a young girl whose twin was killed. And so she's dealing with that. And it is trauma, and it is isolation. It's all of those things. But we have to, this is

one of the cases where I think we can build coalition. I think we can really build coalition on racial lines between rural and urban, because basically, fools got guns, and fools support fools with guns. And somebody needs to do something around the National Rifle Association, because they have too much power, so that, you know, the president kowtows to them, Mitch McConnell kowtows to them. He says he won't do anything unless 45 says it's okay. That's not how legislation is supposed to work. Monique, it was very interesting.

I remember... Sorry. Monique, it's real interesting, real interesting. I remember when Sandy Hook took place, and there were a number of people who said that the parents should do what Mamie Mobley did, open caskets or publish the photos themselves. And again, there were people who were saying,

oh, my God, that's just too much. But the reality is this. Mamie Mobley's decision to have that open casket is what Rosa Parks remembered when she sat on that bus. I remember talking to people like Tim Reed. Muhammad Ali talked about that. who said it was the publication of that photo on the cover of Jet, on the cover of Chicago Defender, that caused black folks to say, we're taking this thing to a whole other level. And it was interesting when people were saying the same thing should have happened with Sandy Hook.

And so this video, I think, is another one of those, not as graphic, but in your face, to say this is exactly what's happening with our kids in school, the kind of thing that they're having to deal with. Right. And, you know, I mean, that's a parent by parent type decision. There were many parents who were involved with the things that went on in Newtown who did not want to remember their own children that way. And so so those are very intimate, personal decisions. And I think the decision that Mamie made was one that aided and furthered the cause of our nation. But I would not, as a parent myself, require or expect or lean upon any parent to make that kind of decision for the sake of the nation when what they really are doing is is dealing with an individual loss. I am thankful that they came together and that they made this

and I pray that those faces reach the hearts and conscience of this nation the way everyone else in the world is dealing with gun violence, except for us. I disagree with, well, I don't disagree with Cleo. Obviously, black lives matter. But my issue is when something like this happens and they took it upon themselves to do it, like, I can name 10 black people with means right now to do the same or an even better film and use all black faces if that's what they want to. So I don't have any criticism of the people who did this. It's on us to do the same in our community. And we have the means and we have the resources.

We have the opportunity. We have the market. We have the opportunity. We have the market. We have the clicks. Seriously, we have. No, but seriously, Monique, I mean, I hear your passion and I feel it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Monique, finish your point. Then Julianne. Okay. My point is we right now, in terms of the people who have eyeballs on TV screens and digital markets and movies, we're way up there in the numbers. We spend the money on this. So we control that market. said that if we put our resources together to get behind something that Ava is doing,

like with the Central Park Five, or get behind another film that's being done like Fruitville, those are things that black directors, producers, black money put together, and we supported it, and they received critical acclaim. So I don't think that there are any excuses here for why we can't prioritize our own children's lives. We don't need to wait for white folks to think that we matter. We know we matter. At the same time, Monique, what I'm saying,

I mean, I like to say I applaud your passion. I think we all share it. I think that we are all very disturbed about what's happening in our inner cities. But I'm saying that all your 15 people who you say could put something together, I think we all share it. I think that we are all very disturbed about what's happening in our inner cities. But I'm saying that all your 15 people who you say could put something together wouldn't get the same kind of eyeballs. I mean, Roland would show it.

He'd get his million folks, and we love Roland for the work he does. But, I mean, this thing has gone viral. Wait, wait, wait. Oh, hey, hey. Hey, hey, wait, wait. Hell no. I got 2.4 million.

Okay, excuse me. Excuse me, Roland. I apologize. 2.4. Let's just call it 2.4. Don't be short me. Don't million. Okay, excuse me. Excuse me, Roland. I apologize. $2.4 million. Don't be short me. Don't be... Okay, I'm going to round it up and call it three. How's that? Round it up and call it three. But here's the point. But here's the point. The point is

this stuff is going on mainstream media. Mainstream... With anti-black racism, our lives do not matter in the same way. And we would be delusional if we don't acknowledge that. And what's happening in our inner cities, what's happening with these drive-by shootings with these little kids is that police don't even spend that much energy trying to solve these crimes. Yes, we have to take this thing by the throat, and yes, we have to be passionate and focused, but we also have to confront

the anti-black racism that makes a white child's life more important than a black child's life. We have to be clear about that. And we have to struggle with that. We have to ensure that these police forces who don't investigate our children's death, that they are held accountable.

And that means when the President of the United States is saying something about Chicago, even though it pisses us off, because we know that black-on-black crime is rooted in poverty, and it's rooted in socioeconomic structure, it's rooted in over-incarceration, it's rooted in a drug battle

that was kind of imposed upon us by a prior president's decision-making. We get all of those things. But we know that there's war on the streets. And when people who are not black want to talk about that, then black people get offended. Well, why don't we talk about white-on-white crime? White-on-white crime.

Most crime is intraracial. Crime-on-crime and death-through-gun violence is death-through-gun violence. Most crime is intraracial. And it's death-through-gun violence. And what I am saying is death through gun violence. Both crimes are intraracial. And it's death through gun violence. And what I am saying is we have to show that we care by willing to acknowledge the problems no matter what. We can't try to excuse it away to say that one is more important than the other.

So, yes, school shootings matter. Movie theater shootings matter. Shootings on a street in Chicago matter. Shootings in D.C. and Southeast matter. All of it is gun violence. Domestic violence shootings matter. Suicide matters. So these are all issues that compound upon each other. And it's no time to be in silos about them. So when anybody brings it up, even if you know they're trying to bring up the stuff that is predominantly happening with people of color in urban areas,

we have to say, yep, so what you going to do about it? You're right, it's a problem. We want to fix it. How are we going to fix it? We're fine talking about it. We hate these numbers ourselves. We don't want to see this happening. I mean, we have to lean into it. We can't be like, oh, no, that's not fair. I don't think that's what anybody's doing.

I hear black people all the time, what about the young white men who are killing scores and scores of people through mass shootings? It's true. There's a problem with white men with these shootings. They need to figure out what that's about. But there's also a problem in the inner

city. And we know what that's about. So we have to figure out a way to solve what was done to our communities. And I'm intentionally saying not what we did, but what was done to us. Cleo. I'm not sure what aspect of what I said that Monique was disagreeing with,

but I want to be clear. I'm not mad at Sandy Hook for making this video at all. I'm jealous, if anything. I think that people should defend themselves, make videos, movies, campaigns, legislation. They should do that. I'm not mad one bit. I'm jealous because I've seen and know about black violence by gun for decades now,

and I have never seen a campaign like that on a macro scale, let alone a micro scale, that humanizes black lives. That humanizes the people who are the victims at the other end of these guns who keep being black. And frankly, unlike the people in Sandy Hook, and that's where Obama went, as opposed to Chicago

back in the day, there's a paralysis that black people suffer in this country because of the trauma of white supremacy across the class spectrum. I want to make that clear, that it's not just poor people dealing with these issues, but across the class spectrum, we are self-conscious about stepping up like these people

and defending ourselves, because it doesn't matter, to your point, Julianne, about what white people will allow or not allow. We can demand stuff as a collective. He is kind of putting his whole library in the hood, though, so that's our challenge. We have 55 members of Congress who can make some demands. Eugene, excuse me, excuse me.

Eugene, the reality is this here, and that is even with this PSA, Mitch McConnell will do nothing. Yep. Yep, 100% correct. You know, he's made the pledge that he's only going to move when Trump says he's going to sign something, which means nothing, which means never, because the NRA is not going to allow Trump to put his signature on anything.

You know, but what the PSA does do, it does, you know, create awareness, although I think we probably at this point all are 100 percent aware. You know, but I mean, I would liken it to the equivalent of some of the anti-terrorism PSA you see overseas. I mean, that's essentially what we're looking at right now. It's essentially what we're dealing with. And it's that that is what the children are dealing with. All right, folks, hold tight one second. I'm going to go to a break again.

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Thanks, Roland. Tell us about this report. Why are black girls saying the dress code in D.C. is unfair to them? Sure. So right now in D.C. and across the country, black girls are missing out on an education because of what they are wearing and because of what they look like. And they're sick of it. That is why we wrote the report. So right now, black girls are being suspended because of dress code violations. In Washington, D.C., my home, black girls are more than 20 times more likely to be suspended than white girls are.

And it's not because they're misbehaving more. It's because they get targeted and punished for really minor and subjective offenses. Things like looking mad and dress code violations. Black girls are tired of being stopped in the halls, of having their bodies over-scrutinized. They're tired of being told that they're a distraction, that they need to change to avoid tempting boys. They're tired of this and they're taking action. And so how are they taking action? Sure. So last year, we co-authored a report with 21 Black girls in D.C. We found all of these problems, similar to the ones that I just outlined, and they took action.

They organized protests. They organized campaigns. They talked to their parents. Parents started to lobby schools. Administrators and educators had to come together and respond to this really amazing groundswell of activism that was led by Black girls. They wrote this report in April of 2018. And a year later, the report that we just released outlines all of the work that they have done in Washington, D.C. to fight this. So they have been working with their school principals. They've been working with their parents to really convene conversations about how dress codes target Black girls and about the policies that they want to see instead. What has been the response from the school district?

So largely, we've seen Black girls be leaders, really take a leadership role on this. And in some cases, they've been successful. So we outlined in the report a few girls who organized a lunchtime protest, who got their school to walk out of lunch in protest of the dress code. They were tired of there being more rules for girls. They were tired of there being rules that were really rooted in racial stereotypes. They were tired of missing class because of the dress code, and they succeeded. The principal had to come to the table and have a conversation, and he started a community dress code task force that ended up with students being able to rewrite their school dress code. So there are some examples like that where we've seen students take action and school leaders really respond. But more often than not, we've seen students bring this issue to their administration.

We've seen them organize protests. We saw in one school, black girls organized a head wrap clapback because girls were getting in trouble for wearing head wraps in school. And so a group of girls said, you know what? This is who we are. This is authentic to us. This is not a distraction. We're going to wear our head wraps in school. And they lobbied

their administration to change that rule. And the administration wasn't receptive. They didn't change the rule. So we've seen some examples of students really taking this issue. And we've seen adults respond to them in good ways. But we've also seen many schools not respond. And the district, Washington, D.C., as a whole, is not responding in the way they need to. Even though black girls, again, as I said, are more than 20 times more likely to be suspended for minor and very subjective offenses in school, DCPS, public schools, they've barely treated this like an issue. Nia Evans, National Women's Law Center. We certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks.

Monique, I want to go to you. I mean, I think about the story we did last week of the biracial sister in Alaska who was disqualified because one of the judges said that her butt cheeks were touching. And so therefore, the swimwear was inappropriate and we find out that she's biracial she has curves and it was a it was a school issued swimsuit we see other examples of this all across the country where black girls are being sexualized at early ages and And again, things are being said about them, which are different from white girls the same age. Right, and then those very same things,

those, the white girls that aren't getting it said about them, the white mamas are trying to be like that. Listen, it's cultural appropriation in the adults, right? But then with the young girls, we are not just over-sexualized, but we are just prevailed upon every place that we turn. So young black girls aren't safe in the streets. Young black girls aren't safe in the supermarket, aren't safe at the movie theater, and are not safe at school.

So we can put the same uniform on two girls of the same age. You have different body types. And not that it's inappropriate or that it's overly suggestive in the way that it's worn, but just because it actually fits. And they have no idea how this affects a young woman's image growing up. I have a young

black girl who is 13 and fierce and gorgeous and got way more mouth even than her mama, if that's ever possible. But she was rocking a curly fro to school today. And she is powerful.

And all I am trying to do is save her from the madness of this world that would make her feel bad about things that as soon as she gets a little bit further down the road, she's gonna go, oh, wait, but y'all wanna be like me. So my message to the black girls is stay in the race, sister girl, because the thing that they hate about you

is the thing that they're trying to cover up and suppress in you. And mamas, let's stick together and stand up for our girls the way they did in this instance. You know, Roland... A daughter got more mouth than you? Oh, my God.

Go ahead, Julianne. I named her Grace just to make it safe. Oh, Lord. Well, that was her cover. That was clearly her cover. Roland, you know, the history of the over-sexualization of black women is as early as our coming to this country as enslavement, as a notion that no one was even ever charged with raping a black woman

until after the 1950s. And even then, when we were raped, we wanted it. And so while I support Monique a thousand percent, I want to meet little Miss Grace because I want to see who got more mouth than her. But the other piece of this that's really important is that while we support our girls, we must hold the school administrators accountable. I mean, I was looking at something that was online about this particular story, and you have these stupid white people writing,

well, you shouldn't wear a halter top to school. Well, nobody said that anybody has worn a halter top to school. These girls are wearing their clothes. They're minding their business. But the subjectivity is such that whatever a black woman does is going to be over-sexualized. Sometimes these girls as young as 10 or 9 years old, sex is not on their mind. But these schools, because of their anti-black, not anti-racist, anti-black bias, choose to see black women through a lens that's dismissive. And so you can look at black women and kick them aside and say,

and they're not women, they're little girls. I remember Roland, the police officer in Florida who grabbed a young girl by her braids. She had a baby and grabbed her by her braids. I was thinking, if that was a blonde, would that have actually happened? And so we know where we are on the totem pole, black women, and that's why we should never have another Mary Turner. Mary Turner being the woman who was lynched

because she made noise about her husband being lynched. And so we have to, in the name of Mary Turner, never again be silent. Yes, Miss Grace needs to run her mouth, and so do we all, and we need to continue. And I'm just grateful to Nia Evans for lifting this up because it's been happening for a long time. Cleo.

Roland, I have to preface my comments with saying that I support any type of activity that resists the oppression of black girls and controlling them. But what puzzles me, particularly when I heard the sister talk about women being looked at sideways

for, quote, looking mad, black males are going through something very similar and often are accosted for looking mad killed for looking mad there's also dress codes and sexualization of black males and i wonder why we're not working together i think that it's important to focus on particular issues because they need particular focus to resolve them when they are peculiar. But when they're similar as black people, I am just puzzled by that,

males and females, black people, who are both targeted because of how they look, their hair. Like we talked about the sister or the biracial person who had the quote-unquote body issues that she had to be confronted by. Now we know about the guy who had the hair cut off, who had the locks, the wrestler. So we're going through similar things,

and I'm concerned about us shadowing each other instead of shining light on each other so we can collectively resolve these issues. It's concerning me. And also, I know that... Well, Cleo, who says we're not working together? Oh, we're not. One second, one second.

Eugene, Eugene. So the thing is this. In this particular situation, like many others, in predominantly black cities with predominantly black elected officials, predominantly black school boards, with predominantly black school officials, you got to take control.

The parents got to take control. You know, you cannot... You know, we cannot continue to allow our children with a lot of black school officials. You gotta take control. The parents gotta take control. We cannot continue to allow our children to be weaponized and harmed, right? We cannot continue to allow our children to be assaulted by oppressive figures and oppressive structures. And so, it's at the point where if the city of DC wants to misapply or misappropriately apply a dress code,

then I think it's about time the parents of D.C. children need to take back control of their school system. That's a good idea. All right, folks. All right, folks. So let's talk about this story here. A Dallas judge has ruled that the trial of Amber Geiger, the former Dallas police officer who has been charged with the murder of both of them. John, her trial will take place in Dallas. Her attorneys were trying to get it moved to Collin County, predominantly White County, near Dallas, saying that there was too much publicity, but the judge disagreed with that. It will take place there in Dallas. The trial will begin next

week, September 23rd. We'll certainly be keeping you abreast of what happens in that case. All right, y'all know what time it is. It's a crazy-ass white folks time. illegally selling water without a permit on my property. Whoa! Hey! I remember. You don't remember? I'm uncomfortable. All of you black English teachers out there, there's a job opening in Fort Worth, Texas. Georgia Clark, an English teacher

in the Fort Worth Independent School District. She was the one who actually posted some social media comments telling Donald Trump, that's right, get rid of these illegals, including the ones in her classroom. Well, when the Washington Post publicized those particular tweets, let's just say it didn't sit well with the officials there in Fort Worth. Poor little Georgia. She out of a job today. I feel so sad, Eugene.

I don't. Not. I don't. You know, what makes it so much more egregious is that she's targeting kids, right? Kids that, you know, have no control over their lives. You know, but, you know, look, you want to expel your racism, at least do it with somebody that can provide a fair fight to you. Don't do it to somebody that can't fight back.

And so I think the school district did the right thing, fired her. I think her teacher's license should be permanently revoked. Same thing I feel about police officers that, you know, do similar things. You know, you commit a... I think there should be a federal law, and I think every presidential candidate should take it up.

Somebody commits a racist crime, they should have their professional license suspended or revoked permanently. I couldn't agree with you more. This woman is amusing. I-I... I keep saying, Julianne, every time one of these white folks lose their mind, black folks should line up and apply for their jobs.

I agree with you, Roland. Even more than... This woman does not know. She knows what these young people's ethnicity is. She doesn't know whether they're legal or not. So this whole notion of threatening, um... Latinos with, um... Deportation. Deportation. It's bullying, it's ridiculous,

and she does not belong in the school system. But, you know, this is the tip of the iceberg. I was, um, at a community college very recently in the Southwest, and, um... Actually, a student told me that when she complained about the teacher's... uneven application of a rule, the woman came back and said,

-"I can have you deported." -"Huh." This was a kid. She was 19 years old. And because she said, you know, this isn't fair, I will have you deported. So this is like the, the, uh, should I say Trump card? For... for a lot of people, when there are disputes with undocumented people, we really have to do something about that.

We really have to do something about that. We really have to tell folks, as Eugene says, if you do this nonsense, not only are you out of a job, but we will shun you, we will mess with you, we will take you viral, and all of that. But Roland, this is where advocacy groups fail as far as I'm concerned. And this is where, like, plaintiffs, attorneys that bring cases often fail. They get what looks like a remedy in that something happens to one person who we know did something so blatant that it required action. But what should be going on right now is that advocacy groups and PTAs and just mama and daddy on the street in that community

need to be requiring from that entire school system that they go through sensitivity training, that they go through a reboot on their anti-discrimination training, that they be required to go through the kind of non-disclosure, that they be required to go through the kind of non-disclosure agreements that are already supposed to be in place regarding information that they may or may not get about the students. And the reason advocates are important is because

there may be parents who are afraid to speak because they are not here what we so-call illegal. There may be children who are here and they don't know what the status of their visa is, and that is not supposed to matter in the way you were treated. If this woman felt so comfortable that she was willing to tweet about that, that is a culture code for that system

at that school. It is not about that one woman. So it may be a one bad apple, but I'm telling you, that's a rotten vine. Roland, my comments were going to be about the system as well. So Monique pretty much broke that down in terms of, oh, it's fine.

Who could have done it better? But I always wonder what will happen to these people who get fired because, like, for example, the murderer of Tamir Rice got another gig. And the dude who said, back in the day, who called black basketball players nappy-headed something, who was fired from that show, got another show. Now, about the time they get their new gig, the spotlight is off, and they go on with their life,

and they do what they do, because white people, particularly bad white people, have each other's back. And these bad white people are from the White House to the outhouse. So we don't know what's going to happen with these people. Mostly the outhouse. But I agree with Monique regarding that as a systemic issue.

But I also have to say, at the risk of sounding peculiar, is that I like when white people are straight up. Because some of them are very repressed, and they behaviorally act out on our people and do damage that's more clandestine that we can't shine a spotlight on, and they continue where they are doing their damage,

and we don't know about it because there's no quote-unquote proof. When this woman put this stuff on Instagram, there was proof that people reacted. So, and also, I just want to close with, I don't think that cultural sensitivity training works. Hmm. So, and I might be a whole other conversation. It is a whole other conversation.

I don't think... I don't think, because I used to be a police, and I remember cultural sensitivity... You used to be a police. Yeah. I used to be a police. You were a po-. You used to be a police? Yeah. A police? I used to be a police. You were a po-po?

I was a po-po. I was a sheriff. I was a deputy sheriff in East Los Angeles. You used to be a police. And you were a police. Okay. So it did not work. The cultural sensitivity stuff was superficial.

It was playing into white people's issues, and I don't have to see the curriculum. And they do it holding their noses. I mean, you say you have to do, you know, anti-bias training. They don't want to do it. They do it. They, you know, they do it with their...

Dragging their feet, and they mad, and their mouths are poked out, and then they say, okay, I did racial bias training, so I'm not racist anymore. And they learn to call switch. But you do it, and then you have monitors shadowing in the classroom,

and it has to be from a neighboring jurisdiction. There is a way to get this done that works. That's the same thing as with the police force. You have to cross-pollinate. You have to use federal resources. But it can get done. It can get cleaned up. We can't just lift our hands and say, well, throw this whole...

Not all of this. Teacher system. No, but we can't just lift our hands and say, well, throw this whole... Not all of it, half of it. Teacher system. We can't do this add water and stir. We can't do this add water and stir. This is going to happen, but it needs to be more conversation about this because we don't have time to get into 7-10. We don't have time to get to

the facts of me knowing that it don't work. But you can't do this the Edward and stir stuff about, let's have cultural training without looking at what the roots of it are, who's doing it, what kind of work is being done. Not this kumbaya stuff of, you know, the blue-eyed, brown-eyed thing.

You know, some of that stuff is so superficial, it's almost amusing. We've officially had a show now that Julianne has said kumbaya because it's going to work its way into the show. Are y'all done? Are y'all done? No.

No, but the show has to end. We're not done, but we're probably finished, right? Well, guess what? I'm here for a 50-can education reform group board meeting. Damn it, I'm late. So y'all can sit here in that studio and talk all y'all want to.

And, of course, it's not lost on me. We're discussing an English teacher getting fired in Cleo City. I was a police. So don't think I just totally missed that. And so that's how it goes. All right, folks. Well, whatever. I was a police.

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