#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 9.19 #RMU: Ed Buck faces federal charges; Robert Smith opens NYSE; Racist MAGA judge ousted

Episode Date: September 23, 2019

9.19.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Alleged sex predator and Dem donor Ed Buck charged for the death of Gemmel Moore; The federal reserve has lowered interest rates for the second time since July; Billionaire Robert Smith opens NYSE; Young voters vs Baby Boomers; New Jersey ref who ordered a wrestler to cut his dreads has been suspended; Black school principal stopped by cops when he accidentally walked past a crime scene: A racist MAGA judge ousted for offensive social media post. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Life Luxe Jazz Life Luxe Jazz is the experience of a lifetime, delivering top-notch music in an upscale destination. The weekend-long event is held at the Omnia Dayclub Los Cabos, which is nestled on the Sea of Cortez in the celebrity playground of Los Cabos, Mexico. For more information visit the website at lifeluxejazz.com. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered for Thursday, September 19th, 2019. Roland's off today. I'm Dr. Julianne Malveaux. Democratic donor Ed Buck has finally got... stuff got caught up with him. He's been charged with the death of Jamel Moore, and we'll give you the latest. The Federal Reserve has lowered interest rates for the second time since July.

We'll tell you why that's important. Young voters and baby boomers have very different opinions about who should be the Democratic presidential nominee. We'll break it down. The New York Jersey ref who ordered arrest to cut his dreads has been suspended. And a black school principal was stopped by the police

when he accidentally walked past a crime scene. Plus, a New York judge is forced off the bench for racist Trump-supporting posts on social media. So it's time to ring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's get it on. He's got it. Whatever the piss, he's on it on. Just for kicks he's rolling Yeah, yeah It's Uncle Roro, yo

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Martel. We've been talking about the case of Democratic donor and sexual predator Ed Buck this week, and today we have some good news. He faces one felony count each of battery causing serious injury, administering methamphetamines, and maintaining a drug house, the district attorney's office said in a statement. Joining me now, well, no, she's not going to join us,

but she's been on top of this story. That's Jasmine Kanick. She's been on top of this story, and we're hoping she'll get her later. But my panel is going to talk a little bit about this. This was like a cray-cray case. Well But this guy is luring black men, basically, to his drug house and basically messing them up. So we're going to talk about it with Greg Carr.

He's the chair of the Department of African American Studies at Howard University. Erica Savage-Wilson, host of Savage Politics podcast. And Henny Gabiari, policy advisor and human rights activist. Greg, let's start with you on this one. What up? This man, I mean, you know, the thing that bothered me the most about this when I read about this,

this guy has major, made major contributions to people like Ted Lew, major Democrats, and we have not heard their voices saying anything about how unacceptable this is. So do black gay lives matter? Well, apparently not to Ed Buck.

Well, they do matter while he's, uh, exercising his sexual perversions. When he's shooting them up with meth. And when they OD, I don't think they matter much. He can just basically dispose of them. But kudos to all the folks who have been out in front of his house. All the people who would not let this down.

Social media, who are celebrating. Jasmine deserves high props. I hope we can get her. She did not let this story go. No, she didn't. No, she didn't. The only other thing I would say initially is that, I guess they gave him a blue protective vest. They claim he's not suicidal,

but I hope we've learned in the case of Jeffrey Epstein, when a white man gets treated like the rest of us, there ain't no guarantee he can take it. So they better watch him real close in prison. Real close. Yeah, absolutely. Annie? I completely agree with Dr. Carr.

I just, also what really bothers me about this situation is that when it comes to you know, like, the gay community, I feel like the white community really doesn't really

pay attention to when it comes to black lives, you know, that are. So it's like a lot of people weren't talking about it. So I was just wondering what, why is that? How come that's not, it's not prevalent for them? But when it comes to other issues, like everybody's really silent about it. Like the white gay community, no one's really talking about it. And they should be talking about it. But it's like how many lives had to have died?

If it wasn't for the black community, the black gay community, this would have not been talked about at all. Absolutely. And I agree. And something that Jasmine said that really stuck with me on yesterday in the morning, she said all this time,

and it's a part of what she tweeted out, all this time Ed Buck has been operating with the impunity that he knows he has as a white man. And so when you think about all of the intersections and as, you know, Dr. Carr and Hani have said and you have expressed that, you know, he's had his day. He has he's having his day in court now. But understanding that the weight of the judiciary has commonly been on the backs of people of color, especially black people. Hopefully, we'll see him go through this process and that these families, our community,

will get the justice that's deserved. Had people moved more quickly, there were three men involved. One... At least one life might have been saved had people moved more quickly, but there seemed to have been an indifference. I mean, we really have to give a serious shout-out to Jasmine. Let's just take a minute, Greg, to talk

about her. What must we say to this sister to encourage her to continue her activism? Well, that's difficult. You know, we just heard Erica mention intersectionality. I mean, when do we decide that we're going to stand up, all of us, for every African that's in harm's way?

I think we have to tell her that as remarkable as this consistency has been, we've got to work to make it unnecessary. In other words, why can't, as you said, honey, why can't any of us, why shouldn't, in fact, any of us stand in her stead? Our sexual orientation is irrelevant. It should be irrelevant.

But the fact that it's not irrelevant is not only a testament to how far we have to go. You know, in celebrating her, we should also reassure her that next time this happens, well, we're going to try to prevent it next time, but all of us are going to have to... Well, we're going to be there. We're going to have her back.

Hannah? That's right. Yeah, I completely agree with Dr. Carr as well. I want to commend her because it's a difficult position to be in because sometimes not all black lives matter. Sometimes I think we're in a community sometimes where the only issue is like, okay, well, it's like only heterosexual lives matter.

And then when it comes to gay lives, it's really no one really cares. And they're the most vulnerable of us. You know, we have had an epidemic of the murders of transgender black women, and that's something that our community really has not embraced or dealt with. And as I listen and look at what Jasmine has done, you're just a terrific job in keeping this out in the public eye.

I wonder who's doing that for these transgender sisters, Erica. Right, because I believe that 18 of those women, I believe, up to date have been killed violently. And that's just too many. And back to what Dr. Carr said, I mean, this is really a time that we just have to take stock and make some decisions, because at the beginning and end of the day, it is all black skin. I still hold true that we are the bellwethers

of this nation, and when one hurts, it is the entire community hurts. So Jasmine, I believe, is a political consultant, and she stood for families alongside activists, and we just have to continue to pave and be involved in this work as well. I'm just excited that she's done such good work, and that finally the DA's office in LA has charged this predator,

this nasty you-know-what. Just you-know-what. I ain't rolling, so I ain't going all the way there. But with his stuff. But you know what? Let's move on and talk about Robert Smith opened up the stock market this morning. I just love that man. He's the one who wiped out the student loan debts

of the entire 2019 graduating class at Morehouse College. There he goes, ringing that stock bell. Go, brother. Go, brother. Wow. We don't often get the opportunity to do that. He's not playing. He will not let that button go, will he? Yeah.

Look. Dab him up. Dab him up. Hey, hey. What in the world? No, we don't often get the opportunity. I had the privilege of being at the exchange with Reverend Jackson.

Had the opportunity to open, I think, a couple years ago with the Wall Street Project. But you very rarely see a person of color, certainly not an African-American, opening up the stock exchange. And in money news, the Federal Reserve's decision to cut the interest rate by a quarter point for the second time in just about a six month period since July is a double edged sword for many Americans. On one hand, there's a concern about a slowing economy. And that's one of the reasons why they cut the interest rate. Slowing economy, ongoing trade war, which could raise the prices of some of the things you buy. But on the other hand, when you cut the interest rate, that means that retirees,

people who live off their savings account, interest on their savings, they have less money, and in some cases they lose buying power. this is extremely significant especially since 45 has been fighting with the chairman Jerome Powell the chairman of the Fed sending all these signals about he wants him to lower the interest rate lower the interest rate lower the interest rate what's the significance to you and to us well I think you know the central bank is worried about the economy. I mean, the president of the United States has in many ways shrunk the federal government down

to fit him, an unhinged, failed businessman. And he wants Jerome Powell to act like he does, play like his money is going to never run out. Now, of course, the Fed can print money, and I guess there was a dollar shortage earlier in the week. But, and you're best equipped, of course, Dr. Malveaux, to lead us through all of this as an economist. I mean, in reading this, I'm thinking to myself,

they're worried about China and trade. They said that. Trump cannot be trusted. Don't say, don't listen to him at all. And then apparently there was a split in the vote. Some people wanted, and I'm like, what is going on at the Fed? Yeah, yeah.

There was a dissension Yeah, there was a dissension vote, which was kind of surprising as well, but I think that these are things that we need to pay attention to, to really the bullying of the Fed chair and those members as well, because they're not accountable to the president. They answer to Congress. Independent body. Absolutely. The chairman of the Fed has a 14-year term deliberately outlasting any president. It's not tied to the president. So Powell was Trump's appointee.

So he picked this man, but this man is a banker. You know, he's steeped in monetary principles. Prior to this, I would not have agreed with him on very much, frankly. But the fact is that he has been a stalwart for the independence of the Fed. And this is what 45 can't stand, is independence. He wants everybody to bow down to him and say it's his world.

Honey? Yeah, I completely agree. That's what Donald Trump wants to do, just about him and what benefits him as well in terms of this issue as well. I sure hope these New York people can get to the bottom of some of his tax returns. Because some of these... Oh, Letitia James is going to get them tax returns. That's just going to get them tax returns.

Because some of the decisions that he's made seem to directly monetarily affect him. I mean, he has turned the Oval Office into a grifter's paradise. The nation. Yeah, he's used the weight of the office for the nation. And just talking about, like, Tisha James, I believe that, of course, Trump's attorneys are, you know, trying to ensure that they don't get a hold of those tax returns. And I do agree that they will. And going back to this piece with what's happening with the economy,

I mean, Germany's economy is starting to slow down. So we're starting to see the hallmarks of a recession, particularly because President Barack Obama's economy and the low unemployment rate, that definitely has its timestamp. It's not something that can go on forever. And so I love that you said, you know, you can't believe anything that comes out of Donald Trump's mouth. You can't.

I believe that being the interest of American people just to turn a deaf ear to that, do a lot more reading, listening to sensible people like you who are, you know, well-versed in the economy, but also just watching the signs. You can see and feel the slowing down of the economy. So people need to start preparing as though we are already in a recession.

You know, the issue, we've seen a low unemployment rate. People keep talking about how low the unemployment rate is. But one of the challenges to me with the lower unemployment rate, it's 3-point-something overall, 5.5 for black folks, 4.4 for black women. But we're normalizing the fact that black unemployment is supposed to be higher than overall unemployment. So when you hear him crowing about,

oh, the unemployment rate is so low for black people, well, then close the gap. Do something to close the gap. And there's... What do those numbers really mean? When I hear you talk, when I hear Bill Spriggs talk, when I hear black economists talk, and then when we,

as you said, when we look at our people, you know, we were just talking about it before we came on air. We got people in college working 30, 40 hours a week. Unemployment doesn't mean

that you are financially in good shape. I mean, people are busting their tails. Well, if wages are stagnant, when wages are stagnant, so one of the things that has been a byproduct of this

economy has been stagnant wages. Wages have only gone up a little bit less than 3%, just barely keeping up with inflation. So, you know, you see lower unemployment, but also stagnant wages. And usually in a tight low unemployment, wages should be

going up. Employers should be bidding against each other to raise wages. So if you a tight low unemployment, wages should be going up. Employers should be bidding against each other to raise wages. So if you're a good employee and you say, gee, I'm going to leave here and go there, your boss will say, oh, no, no, Erica, let me give you a little more money to stay here. But right now they're like, okay, go on with your bad self. Because

they know that the next job isn't necessarily going to pay a lot more. So the conditions, people are gaining, but those are people at the top who are gaining and people at the bottom simply are not. And so the whole issue about recession, and I'm on the board of the Economic Policy Institute. So today we had our board meeting and one of our economists who does a great job, Josh Bivens, was talking about whether or not when we were going... He says, not if, it's when we go into a recession.

Now, the question is whether it's going to come in the next year to affect the election or whether it's going to come in, let's say, 2021. We know it's coming, and the question is when it's coming. And one of the challenges is that if it goes down in the next year, it will affect 45 because the only thing he had going for himself was the economy. But if it takes a little bit longer,

he may be re-elected. Well, I think it may have already hit him in an irrevocable way. I mean, we see, of course, one of the biggest stories in the country right now is this GM strike. I mean, GM is sitting on so much money as a result of this grand theft that the GOP pulled off year four last

with this tax cut. And these women and men are like, you're not hiring. You're laying us off. And so they've gone on strike. It may be too late. It may be too late. It may be that he's already has tipped over

because you're talking about now. You're talking about Michigan. You're talking about Pennsylvania. You're talking about Wisconsin. These are the states that he barely stole. So, you know, GM, we're talking about coal, we're talking about coal miners who are angry with him because he claimed that he was going to save coal and he

didn't. You're talking about teachers striking. In red states. Yes. Teachers who, some of whom voted for him. So, you know, we're looking at something of a tsunami in terms of what's happening with the economy. But, you know, he still is doing his thing. He's doing his thing. Erica?

He's going to do that. Regardless, right? It's amazing. Well, my line is, look, if you elect a clown, expect a circus. That's it. And let the sideshow begin. Let the universe soul, sir. And, you know, what we've seen is

the Department of Labor, every department doing things to undergird, undermine the progressive nature, which isn't really that progressive, but what we have had on the books is progressive economic policies. Not to mention, and we're not even going to

go there, Betsy DeVoy of good sense, the Secretary of Education, Ms. Education, who is giving tax breaks to for-profit colleges, doing everything she can, again, to undermine. Offering to use

some of the student loan funds for the wall. But, Greg, you are, you know, at Howard University where so many of our brilliant young people are. What are you seeing in terms of students in the economy? I'm seeing students working too many hours. We were just talking about it. I mean, Erica, you know, you were sharing with us about your son.

I mean, you got, at Morehouse, you got students not eating. I mean, you know, I teach a class at Howard Law School. You have students who are working entirely too many hours to be in law school and succeeding in spite of it. The economy is in a, we're precariously perched. And when you mention people on fixed incomes, for that matter, most people are not in the stock market.

We know our people are not in the stock market. More than half of us are not there. Well, first of all, half of all Americans are not in the stock market. Exactly. And if you look at our people, that's what I was going to say. At HBCUs, you know, and you know this having run one and been a faculty member, faculty members at HBCUs aren't making money like faculty members at HWCUs. Oh, no. And our money's in TIA craft.

So you look at my mother at 91 years old, fixed income. We pinched off sitting there. The stock market affects her in a negative way, like you said. These are the conversations we need to be having. We're sending money, but our money's in TIA craft, and it ain't a whole lot of money to begin with. So they're playing, you're literally playing with the futures, faculty, staff, and students. And the staff isn't making

much money to begin with. Anti-unionism isn't just a white university thing. So as you talk about unionizing on these campuses, you've got people who are now either don't have a union or who are being fought against. This is the time when we need to reexamine everything. We really do. We've got to take a quick break.

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Okay, folks, take a look at this graphic. When it comes to who should lead the country, you can see that young people and baby boomers are sharply divided. Only 10% of people between 18 and 34 support Joe Biden, while 39% of voters between 50 and 64 think he's the best choice.

That number rises to 46% for voters over 65. A little bit, Warren's numbers are constant pretty much across age groups, about 25%. Regardless of age, Bernie Sanders gets 33% of the youth vote, but only 3% of the boomer vote. So this is fascinating. We are looking at intergenerational tension around these choices.

Greg, you know, I'm puzzled by us, black folks, that is, in terms of our support for Biden. Is it just because of the Obama loyalty? Of course it is. I mean, I think we're as naive about Joe Biden as we were about Barack Obama. We're brand loyal. We're not

paying much attention to anything. And God bless the folks who are going to pull a lever for Joe Biden because they remind him of Obama. That's the wrong thing to pull. I think really the story in that poll is what you said. It's the consistency of Elizabeth Warren. She has momentum. She is building a campaign.

And any time you see her have a quarter vote across all demographics, that means that as people begin to hear her, they are warming to her. And that means that message is resonating all the way through. I just really don't see a scenario where she doesn't catch Joe Biden at some point. I mean, I don't know. We don't know. It's still far out. Well, she seems to be on her way, though.

And I'll tell you, I saw her on Saturday night at Congressional Black Caucus. She was sitting with Reverend Jackson and Maxine Waters. I mean, you can't do any better than that. I mean, Reverend has not endorsed anybody. But she's sitting right there with Rev and Maxine. Camel left early. Just saying.

No shade, just saying. Honey, what do you think? You're the youngin' on the panel. Tell me what young people are thinking. I don't know any young person who's excited about Joe Biden. I just don't know. I haven't seen it. To me, I don't think he resonates. And if you're you're you know he talks about a record player what's that and the thing that i who has a record player he just

is not and he's not actually going and wanting to get the young vote as well because he's relying on you know the boomer but younger people don't tend to vote, are less likely to vote than boomers are. Yeah, in, like, the primaries, like, of course. But I feel like if you... But we're the future. So you have to try to get our votes. So I'm just not sure what is driving people to want to vote for Joe Biden. And I think the best thing that he could have done

is just sailed off into the sunset with Barack Obama. Because then he was like America's favorite uncle. You know, that was Joe, Joe, Uncle Joe. Now it's like now we know his history. Like we're looking more into his life. And he says really incredible. regards to going into African American homes and teaching how to be parents

and stuff like that. That was tone deaf. It was very tone deaf. I don't know who his advisors are and I'm sure he has Simone Sanders works for him. She's probably pulling her short natural, pulling pieces out of her head as he was talking

because it revealed who he is. He's revealing himself a lot. And I think that's good for us as black voters because we need to know. It's very good. It's very good for us. So then we figure out, you know, who should we vote for? Are you for us?

Are you not for us? Because people want our votes. They really want our votes. Well, we're the backbone of the Democratic Party. Can we see the graphic again, please? I'd like to see the graphic again, because we ought to look down at folks like, you know, I can't see y'all, but Kamala,

not doing so well, and doing much less well with the older people, but still not doing very well. Buttigieg, doing better than she is, which I find interesting. But, Erica, so you're looking at the graphic, which tells an interesting story, not only about Biden, but about some of the others. What would you say about what's up with Bernie? So Bernie has a strong constituency and following, so to speak.

So I don't see that that number is going to change much, even going into the primary. I would like to fall back on what Hani said when she said we are the future, that age 18 to 34 category. Dr. Avis Jones-DeWeaver and Melanie Campbell of the Black Women's Roundtable were on AM Joy a couple of weeks ago, breaking out and talking about this essence poll

that had just been released. And so when we look at the 18 to 34-year-old bracket, 26.9% of that body of voters were undecided. 26.9%. That was the most significant finding in that Essence poll. And so many people had not made up their minds. They're waiting to see what happens. They're waiting for the fallout.

Sure. And so it's still very early. So, you know, name ID, recognition, but I do believe that Joe Biden just does not have the same power. I don't believe that we'll continue to see the numbers that we continue to see, but for everyone else that we're looking at, the Elizabeth Warrens, the Kamala Harris's,

for those people to still continue to look at them, but also for the 18- to 34-year-olds that the Democratic Party needs to aggressively begin to court those voters. Because you don't only want them to turn out, you want them to turn out and bring folk along with them. And that's the real dilemma with the 18- to 34s in particular.

You first of all got to get them motivated enough to register. And then once they've registered, you've got to get them out. And what we saw in 2016 is that the 18 to 34s were like, eh. They weren't... I had a young lady who told me she didn't like Hillary. I said, well, she ain't coming to your house.

So you really don't have to like her. You don't have to serve her tea. But, you know, and then the little girl had the nerve to call me months later, a couple years later, when Kavanaugh was appointed to the Supreme Court. She said, Doc, what are we going to do about our abortion rights? I said, I'm over 60. I don't have abortion rights. I said, see, you should have thought about that when you said you didn't like Hillary.

But, you know, the 18 to 34s, they're very picky. And because we had Obama, who many people were in love with, but you don't get to be in love with everybody who's on a ballot. I mean, most of us have made pragmatic decisions around voting. But, honey, you're our young'un, so we're going to come back to you. What must we do to get the 18 to 34s out? I think it has to be the policies, what gravitates towards the young people, like student debt,

all of those. And I think that's why people are engaged more with Elizabeth Warren, because she speaks to the people. She understands there's a lot of debt that people my age have, and how can the debt be relieved? So she's really pointing to those kinds of issues. Um, and-and I think that also, you know, I think... People don't think she's electable, but I think she has a lot of charisma, and I think people are interested in that. Absolutely.

And they're all... People want to hear the truth. They don't want to hear, like, oh, or maybe we'll figure it out, or we can do it. But they want to know, no, these are the things. And she says, I have a plan for this, this, and this, and this. And I think that's what is really important. What plans do you have, and how could it help us?

You know, a lot of people think she's unelectable because people don't think that a woman is ready. But I think that after Hillary, there was significant disappointment on the part of especially white women that... But although they didn't vote, you know, her natural base should have been college-educated white women, and they only voted for her at 53%, which should have been 60% or even 65%.

But I think because there's this notion of women feeling done wrong, not only because of Hillary, but also because of that thing which is in the White House, that they may well come out for Elizabeth Warren. She also is much more likable, if you will, than Hillary is. Are we ready for a woman, Erica? Oh, absolutely. Because, I mean, you know, we can all think about just our experiences having had mothers growing up.

And I'm saying this to kind of like break it out. When you think about the importance of what women do globally, why would not a woman in the United States be ready to lead? And so for me, when we talk about things like electability and likability, you know, when I was going through kind of like different boot camps

and different type of political trainings, that was always something that was very much so highlighted, especially for women. But to me, that playbook has been thrown out of the window. It is all about what are we going to do to save our democracy? And so the person that is best qualified is the person that needs to have that job. But, Greg, white men.

You know, white men are steeped in patriarchy, steeped in superiority. Absolutely. What does Elizabeth Warren or another woman like Kamala or even Amy Klobuchar, what does a woman have to do to get Bubba, the white boy... I think ignore them. White men are dying.

The white birth rate is declining in this country. I think if Joe Biden is nominated, the Democrats are playing with fire. They haven't insured a Trump second term, but he will have to put somebody on the bottom of that ticket, and to your point, to excite those young people and to excite everybody else.

So that looks like, I think, if Biden is nominated, I think Biden-Harris would probably be the centrist right element of the DNC. They would wanna see Kamala Harris at the bottom, because what you're signaling is, she's gonna be the president after me. Maybe I'll do one turn. That might be enough to do turnout.

I think that Hillary Clinton, we never forget, we know, of course, she won the popular vote. And the three states that turned the election were stolen by less than 200,000 votes. And we're talking about voters fresh in Milwaukee. Less than 100,000 votes. Less than 100,000 in Milwaukee, in Detroit, and in places like Philadelphia and other places. That's how they stole Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. So it's not like she didn't win. I think that it was close enough for them to steal, not because she was a woman, but to your point, she was Clinton.

She's a non-quantum. I think Elizabeth Warren and Democrats, what they have to do to win is nominate somebody that excites. If Joe Biden is nominated, for example, and puts Stacey Abrams, and she accepts, on the bottom of that ticket, I think he might have a chance. But if Elizabeth Warren is the nominee, I think she picks Cory Booker. I think that

a Warren-Booker ticket will destroy Donald Trump. And it won't be because people won't vote for a black or won't vote for a woman. It's because, as you say, Erica, people are tired of this BS. And that woman is an academic. She is an administrator. And she has been a BS. And that woman is an academic. She is an administrator. And she has been a senator.

And I think Warren Booker destroys Trump and whoever he puts in. That's a really interesting... I haven't thought about that combination. You know, one of the other things we talk about, Hillary and the suppressed vote, Tim Kaine was a very uninspiring choice for VP. No question. I mean, he's a nice guy and he's good on policy, but no redeeming

social value as a vice president whatsoever. There were so many other options she had. She could have picked a Latino. She could have picked Julian Castro. Yes, and I think she was just like, okay, I need a vice president candidate. And it's like, okay, well,

he speaks Spanish, So I'll just... That's what it seemed like to me. You could have had someone who really speaks Spanish. But I don't even think Castro actually speaks Spanish. He doesn't. No, he actually doesn't. So that's probably also an issue.

I just think it's interesting because that war in the Democratic Party is still there. They're still chasing those phantom voters. Those guys are not coming back. If only white men had been voting the last 30 years, we wouldn't have had a Democratic president. We know that. It's time now to let them go into that good night that they are fighting to stay in this country.

You saw today that clown was going after Al Sharpton on Capitol Hill, and they were talking about police brutality. And I look at somebody like Val Demings out of Florida. The future of this country is non-white and it's female. So stop chasing those coal miners. They will come around, or they won't, but they don't turn the election. Well, the coal miners

are getting theirs. Hillary said that, I mean, she said it indelicately, but she did say that this industry is failing. And we will train you to get another job! And-and... And 45 said,

-"Oh, no, I got your back." -"They didn't want me." Well, what kind of back does he have? The coal miners have not gotten their jobs back. In fact, they're worse off than they were. Um, so many people who he made promises to are worse off than they were. Yeah. But let's go back to this generational thing,

because it intrigues me. I guess as a baby boomer, I'm very intrigued by just our differences in terms of this ticket. The younger people on the ticket, Buttigieg, Kamala, Booker, do not seem to be getting traction with the younger people either.

When you look at the chart, we're not going to pull it back up again. They're going to be tired of me in the control room. But when you look at the chart, we're not going to pull it back up again. They're going to be tired of me in the control room. But when you look at the chart, we don't see them. We would expect, I would expect, for example, Buttigieg to do better than Bernie. But he's not.

Thank you. But look at that. So Bernie is doing very well among younger people. Buttigieg, not as well. And he's, you know, people keep talking about him as the possible future. I've actually, I initially said that, and he ain't ready for prime time,

but he's a good guy, and some of his stuff has been good. His stuff about race is actually quite decent. Henny, why are young people not gravitating toward these, but now they like Andrew Yang, who I find fascinating. I think, you know, Bernie speaks to the people I think Bernie speaks to the people, and he speaks to young people, and he speaks to the hearts and minds of young people.

And I don't think other ones are interested in that. I think they're just about... Pete is just more about he has these policies, and he talks about them, and he's very eloquent, but there's not a lot of spark that comes with him. When I hear him, I'm not like, oh, okay, I'm gonna vote for him.

It's like, yeah, he has a lot of accomplishments, but I don't think his point of view is just like, I just wanna get the young voters and I'm trying to engage them as well. I think he's just trying to engage anyone that he possibly can to get votes. But I think Bernie is like, I understand you. I, even though he's much older, but he's like,

I've been there, I understand what's really important to you. So he's speaking to the hearts and minds of young people. And that is why his numbers are so high. He's doing so well with young people. Yeah. Well, we're going to move on. We're going to take a break and come back with this panel. But we're going to take a quick break.

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going to take us on this trip? No, man. I think he would at least have fun with us if we pay our money and go on the trip. Every time you run that, I'm like, man, I want to get on that boat. It sounds like from my panel, Dr. Greg Carr, chair of the African American Studies Department

at Howard University, Erica Savage-Wilson, who hosts a podcast, Savage Politics Podcast, Savage Politics Podcast, and Hani Garabayari, who is a policy advisor and human rights activist and advocate, both. And we're happy to have him here. We want to... Remember this video, y'all. A young man allowing a New Jersey wrestling coach

to cut his hair so he wouldn't have to forfeit his match. Andrew Johnson was on the mat and in uniform before a match in December when he was ordered by a white referee, Alan Maloney, to have his dreadlocks cut off or be barred from competing in a wrestling tournament, which meant his team would have basically forfeited. That referee, Alan Maloney, was given a two-year suspension.

Should have been like life, but whatever. Y'all remember that particular story. It really did speak to a lot of the whole issue around hair discrimination. Um, and of course, now there's legislation that's run in California, the Crown Act, talking about looking at diversity in hair. Erica, you rocking those dreads?

What did you think about that? Oh, it pissed me off. And so every time to have to watch that over and over again. And so here's, here And so here's why. Because to be black is to really be in the state of being policed constantly. And so that's something that we should have autonomy over as a human being, that the way that our hair grows from out of our head,

that it has to be legislated in order for other people to have a basic understanding that this is the way that our hair grows infuriates me. Um, and so what I... And the other part of the video that really did, um, drive me was that when this young man was being, um... And I'm saying this, was being castrated. Mm. Mm. Mm. You had a white man behind him.

You have a white woman doing the cutting. He's also flanked by two other white men. And then you have white boys coming up and giving him some level of support, encouragement, what we call in our community, dad for showing love. To hell with that. That's right. Well, you know, the people who have...

One of my sisters rocks dreads, and it's been taking her years to get her hair to where she wants it to be. So I can't... His were relatively... I can't imagine someone just coming and cutting your hair like that. I just can't imagine it. It's so dehumanizing. Greg, in the context of our history,

as a professor of African American studies, from a context of our history, as a professor of African American studies, from a context of our history, how does this resonate? To me, it's almost like Kunta Kinty becoming Toby. Erica has said it all. The way you characterized that is exactly what it was. That boy was surrounded by whiteness, and he was attempting to maintain his humanity in the face of an impossible decision.

At that moment, he said, if I'm part of this community, then they don't want me to forfeit. Clearly, he didn't want to wrestle. So he let them cut his hair as a short demonstration of his humanity. Now, those people surrounding him, they showed no humanity.

They showed their lack of humanity by allowing him, this is your teammate, y'all supposed to walk off the thing. Come on. You know what I'm saying? Oh, where's the solidarity? Oh, forward.

And that's why we're looking at it. And first of all, you put your hand, man, don't be giving me no doubt. Why are we still here? And that demonstrates that we will never be human beings in this no good country. Never. And so I'm with you.

I'm with you, Erica. At that moment, and historically, we have seen this confrontation over and over again. Every time a black girl gets written up in elementary or middle school because she won't let a teacher mispronounce her name or give her a nickname, every time we send a little black boy be told to take something off and he says, it's part of my outfit, I'm not going to take this, and then he gets sent to the principal's office,

that is just one more example of the impossible way that we have to live in this country. It's absurd being black in America. Absolutely. Henny, jump in here. Tell me what you thought when you saw this. I think what they wanted to do is to demean him and to make him feel less good.

He was humiliated. Even you could just see his whole body language changed. And he felt very defeated. And I think that's the purpose. I think young black boys, I think this country really wants, society actually just wants to make them feel they're defeated. And cutting someone's hair, and as black people,

regardless of, I'm from Somalia, and hair is very important in Africa. It's important, the whole diaspora. Hair is just very much our crown. So when you do something, they also, you know, you know that's going to be dehumanizing to us. Because it's a part of who we are in our essence and how we show who we are as people. Because, you know, we can, you know, the way that we dress, the way that our hair is, it makes up of who we are as people. And if you take that away from us, you're taking

a part of us. Yeah. It was a horrible situation and I find that the two-year suspension was extremely modest. That guy should never be able to referee again. Well, that was his team. He made the thing and then white people surrounded him and basically

backed him on that. I'm so glad you mentioned the Crown Act because those sisters, as my sister, I've known her for about 30 years since she was an undergrad at Temple University. She's been one of the main people behind this Crown Act getting this thing passed. As she says about the Crown Act, those sisters are kicking ass and they taking names.

It's going to be against the law to mess with our hair in this country very shortly, and those black women should be applauded every day. Absolutely. And it started in California, but it's gone all over the country. And it really is important because, you know, in some corporate settings,

dreads are discouraged. You're natural. I have an executive from a major network tell me once, he said, does your hair grow? I said, hair growth is a human function. He said, it would be so much more attractive if you grew your hair out.

I said, I'm kind of cool where I am. I did not get that job. And I want to say, I mean, like, I've had, I've worked in federal government for nearly a decade. I've had people say to me, well, what is it that you do? I can't believe that you do that. And so my response to anybody, it's hair. It's hair.

Wherever I go, whatever room I step in, I'm stepping in fully as Erica with my hair. Now there are people that mimic this hairstyle because you can do that. You should be able to wear your hair, whatever makes you feel good. But I'm not limited or limiting myself into the places or spaces that I occupy because of my hair

because you're getting Erica Savage. That's right. Whew! You're getting Erica Savage, and we like that. This week, the Baltimore County Police released some very disturbing body camera footage of a white police officer badgering a black high school principal in front of his child, his 15-year-old son,

and demanding to know whether he was responsible for a crime scene he had just witnessed. Because he just happened to be walking past. Let's take a look. You guys weren't involved in that at all, were you? You guys weren't involved at all. Why would you ask me that? Because you're standing here.

I can stand because I'm a citizen. I pay taxes here. So what's the issue when you're standing here? I just told you I'm a citizen. I pay taxes here. So what's the issue with me standing here? I just told you I'm educating my son on how to deal with police. Well, let me educate you, sir. Educate me on what? When we do a thorough investigation, we start and talk to witnesses. Okay.

Are you a witness? You didn't ask me that first. I asked you if you're involved at all. Why would you ask me if I'm involved? Ask me if I'm a witness. If I'm a witness, I'm not involved. Sir, people get away with crime because of people like you. My man. People like me?

Yeah. People like you. Do not fuck up to me. People like you. Okay? Step back. Okay? He came to me for this conversation, right?

Yeah. I'm talking to you, right? Sir, hopefully you find a good role model, okay? I wouldn't listen to this dude. You understand that? No. No. You understand that?

All right. Well, I'll be seeing you more then. Okay, sir. Okay. All right, well, let me just get, let me get a good video of your face real quick. All right. All right. Let me get a good video of you,

and let me get your badge number. 525, sir. 5253? Yes, sir. Let me see it, please. That's not my badge number. My hands are here. Oh, you're fine. I can't see. Can you read? It's price. Can I read?3. 5253? Yes, sir. Let me see it, please. That's not my badge number. My hands are here. I can't see it.

Oh, you're fine. I can't see it. Can you read? It's Price. Can I read? Yeah. Can you spell it for me? P-R-I-C-E.

All right. Any period with that? No, sir. You sure? Did I say it? It's 5253. Now, right now, you're hindering my investigation, so you need to step behind that police car. So what we're going to do is we're going to leave the area and go back to our home.

Because this is why I don't say nothing to the police. He's absolutely wrong. He don't know he's talking to a doctor right now. But he's acting an ass. He may not be one, but he's acting. So you need to step out of my crime scene now. Please. All right, thank you, sir. Hey, you have a good night.

Don't thank me. And listen, I'm being cooperative. Uh-huh. Don't follow me. Okay. Well, sir, like you said, it's a free ride, so I'm allowed to walk where I want, sir. Don't talk to me. Sir.

Don't talk to me, sir. Just keep walking, sir. No, you stop walking. Sir, you have a good night. Keep walking. You have a good night. You're in my crime scene right now. You need to keep walking.

I'm walking. Sir, you don't want to be involved. You're walking on me. Sir, you don't want to be involved. Sir, you don't want to be involved. You need to leave. Sir, sir, once again, you don't want to be involved again. Five, two, five, three. Did you get it that time or do I need to write it down? I'll make sure that I talk to your sergeant. Absolutely. It's all on camera. So can I read? Okay, yeah. Have a great night, sir. Woo. That was hard to watch. Vance Benton is a principal at Patterson High School in Baltimore.

He and his son left after further argument, at which point the officer followed them. Benton filed a complaint with the police department and they have apologized for the incident, saying they will take administrative action against the officer involved. Nah, they just need to fire the fool. What did, I mean, we all watched that.

The officer's tone was rude, bullying, out of order, condescending. Honey, what did you think? It was absolutely unnecessary to talk to him like that. And I think when, you know, authority, they, or, you know, police officers, when it comes to black men, I think the way that they talk to them is, you know, authority, or, you know, police officers, when it comes to black men, I think the way that they talk to them is, you know, there's not, he couldn't have done that any other place, right?

But because he has a badge, he could do that at that particular time to make him feel less than. But, so that's the issue. I just didn't like it. And the way he was just like saying, you know, when he was spelling his name, like, are you not, you can't comprehend this?

Can you read? Can you read? This is a high school principal. And the thing that bothered me the most is that he was with his son. Yeah. And so just as you talked about the castration of the young brother with his dreads,

to humiliate a man in front of his child, you know, is a really, it's a form of front of his child. Sure. You know, really, it's a form of emasculation. Greg, what did you think when you saw that? I mean, you know, it's funny. A colleague, Jules Harrell, teaches at Howard, master teacher. He's in psychology.

And Jules talks about the fact that we experience trauma on a moment-to-moment basis. Watching that, I could feel, I'm sure we all did, our pulses quicken, our heart rate quickens. I felt my home, yeah. You know, and what Jules says is that's taking seconds off the ends of our life.

We shortened our lives watching that. And so when you think about, like you said, a man or a woman in front of their child, and I think Malcolm Gladwell just published his latest book, Talking to Strangers, and he said, I was moved to write this book by watching the Sandra Bland video. At any moment, I'm watching this thinking, at any moment, this could escalate to something because of perception. This white punk cop, 5'2", 5'3", Price, make him famous, everybody watching this, is looking.

And he's got an assumption that he knows something about black people and black men. And I'm going to control this N-word, and it's in front of his son. But that brother is sitting there, and he's got a decision to make every time he doesn't walk away. Because what he's caught between is, my son is here, as you said. And if my son wasn't here,

maybe I would have said something to him and kept walking. But every time he doesn't walk away, I'm saying that's more for his son. Because I can't be no punk in front of my son. But as Malcolm Gladwell is writing, any moment of perception could have ended his life. And we could have been watching a double murder because he

turned his back. I'm saying, man, don't turn your back, brother. We all watching that. He said, keep on walking. Keep on walking. You know, you're sitting there thinking what, I want to know, and I hope that the Roland Martin team will follow up. What was the administrative action

taken? This dude does not need to be a police officer. This is how you talk to citizens. You don't need to be a police officer. Erica? Absolutely. The first thing I thought about was Freddie Gray. We're Baltimore. And so just moving forward from that,

and I'm glad that you brought in the trauma piece because that's something that we should be taking in as a community as we think about decisions that we need to make around our blackness, our safety, our protection, our children, our future. Because see, fools like this, it's price 5253, you said? Okay, they've only become even more emboldened because of Donald John.

So we have to make a decision as a community taking care of one another, ensuring that we're good, that we're safe, and trainings and things of that nature, whatever it takes, because these punks, as you call them, they're not stopping. They're only going to increase in number and behavior. We need to make sure.

I mean, we really do need to make sure. When I go home, well, I got a bunch of other stuff to do, but sometime over there, I'm going to write a letter to somebody in Baltimore and say, fire this you-know-who-what. Right. Because someone who has that attitude, a man just happens to be walking by,

and you just decide you get to harass him because he's black, because he's a black man? No, no, no. You don't need to be a law enforcement officer. Law enforcement officer. What you are is a pat-a-roller, as in the... Right.

As in, you know, in the enslavement days. That's exactly right. Attempting to impose order. Okay, so we got another one. Lord, white people just crazy, y'all. They cray-cray, cray-cray. The New York State Commission on Judicial Conduct announced that a state judge

has been permanently barred from the bench after the commission filed a complaint over a threatening Facebook post that conveyed, quote, racial and or political bias, unquote. The official complaint shows that Alona Town Court Judge Kyle Canning had posted in February an image of a noose with text that read,

if we want to make America great again, we will have to make evil people fear punishment again. A noose! According to the commission, Canning resigned in June after they served him the complaint regarding the post and has agreed never to seek or accept judicial office at any time in the future.

All right. I mean, we just got cray-cray today. Cray-cray to the cray-cray. Uh, Dr. Craig Carr, this was a ju... Help us understand the significance of noose in the context of our history. Well, I think if you, uh, play it right, you can get elected to the United States Senate. This was a... Help us understand the significance of noose in the context of our history. Well, I think if you play it right, you can get elected to the United States Senate.

Remember Cindy Hyde in Mississippi saying that, you know, if you invite me to a lynching, I'll come? And Mike Epps still lost the election. I mean, so that noose is a symbol of... White power. It's a symbol of white power and order. And this guy doesn't even have a J.D. He was in the end up in law school. They made him a judge in that little place. And he, doesn't even have a J.D. He was never been to law school.

They made him a judge in that little place. And he, I mean, the idea... Is he 29 years old or something like that? Yeah, yeah. I mean, but like you said, in this case, it's crazy white folk international because Justin Trudeau was 29 when he blacked his face up at that party in Canada.

But, I mean, as a teacher... But to your point, I mean... As a teacher. Yes. The noose symbolizes justice by any means necessary, and it's lynch law. Ida B. Wells told us about that 100-something years ago. Lynch law in all its phases.

When you see a noose, everybody knows what that means. We coming for you. And it doesn't mean the judge. It means the victim of the judge. That's right. Erica, again, to what Jasmine tweeted out the other day, it is white men knowing that they can operate without impunity. And then he issued a statement, and in that statement,

he was not remorseful at all. He was apologetic to, I believe, his colleagues, who he felt like his absence would create, I guess, more of a workload. So, again, y'all, look at what we're dealing with. This is not a drill. This is what it is. And I'm glad that in that story it did mention his age because I believe that within our nation that there's this belief that,

you know, people who are anti-black and who are racist are this, you know, this group of people that are, you know, they're falling. No, no, no, no, no, ma'am. They are being born every day and they're here. See, no, no, no, no, ma'am. They are being born every day in their hair. See, and that's why I don't mind old racists. Because they finna die. I mean, I truly don't. Old racists don't really get on my nerves.

It's young racists, you know. It's like, where did you get that from? I mean, but they got it from their mamas and daddies. They got it at their dinner table. But, you know, like I said, you run into an old racist, and you're just like, oh, well, just, you know, you got about 15 more minutes, and you up out of here. Hany, what do you think?

Yeah, I also believe, also what Erica said as well about age. When I found out that he was only 29 years old, I was like, that's very interesting. But Dylann Roof was 21? Yeah. You know, I mean, so, you know, how, I mean, That's very interesting. But Dylann Roof was 21. Yeah. You know, I mean, so, you know, I mean, where do these people get this racism from? I was on the link to the article,

was the WashingtonPost.com, and I went on to the link. And the comments, I enjoy the comments. So one guy says, Anous doesn't have to be racist. I'm like, read some history, fool. Come on. You know?

So there's a level of ignorance and history denial. And the beautiful thing about this moment, to me, is that it's bubbling up. It's bubbling up. And people, you know, we, we, you know, black people with sins, are not going to let them tamp it down again. It's bubbling up.

Yeah. That's right. You can't put the lid on this pot. you know, black people with sins, are not gonna let them tamper down again. It's bubbling up. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. You can't put the lid on this pot. So, it's pretty much bubbling over. It's really unfortunate. Yeah. So, we've got these...

We've got these connected stories of policemen, the, um... dreadlocks, the ignorant Baltimore policeman. What was his name? Mr. Price, number 5253. Don't forget it, y'all.

Right. And then this judge. When we connect these things, what are we left with, Greg? I think we're left with the importance of black news media, the importance of conversations like this, the fact that we live not just in the United States,

but in the world. I'm so glad you said what you said, honey, about being Somali and being here in the United States, I'm world. I'm so glad you said what you said, honey, about, you know, being Somali and being here in the United States, I'm saying that you understand uniquely in a way that we need to begin to understand that the United States isn't the only country in the world and everything is... I mean, even

the Fed story. The Chinese are sitting back laughing. You start a trade war with the future of the world. Well, there's 300 and some million of us and how many trillion of them? I mean, they outpopulate us three to one. There are 1.2 billion Africans right now, 40% of whom are under 15 years old.

So let's be very clear. We're living in the past, except our people are part of a larger world. And if China decides to start a real trade war with America, that's when these hillbillies that are going to vote for somebody else are going to get real messed up, because the draws in Walmart are gonna go skyrocket

and the iPhones and the MacBooks. The draws in Walmart. We live in the world. Walmart gonna be empty. These people don't understand. We live in the world. White America needs to wake up and understand that in a minute when this thing falls apart,

if we act right, we got an option. But they're trapped over here. Yes, sir. You know, you mentioned Trudeau and the brown face thing. That was shocking to me because he seems to be relatively progressive. But, you know, that just shows when you scratch a white person, here come the racism. Hannah, you got something to say?

Yes, I do about Trudeau. I was thinking about that a lot, actually. Because, you know, when people think of Canadians, they think of maple syrup and they think of hockey. But I think there is an obvious racism in there. And people do not understand the First Nations, the people, the indigenous people in Canada are treated incredibly terribly.

There's only 3% of the population, but are 26 percent of the prison population so so yes canada may not be like america but they all also have issues and for him to talk about he didn't understand what you know the implications of a brown face or black face and it's it's uncommon to him and unheard, but you are yet, you are the prime minister of a country that is systematically racist to people. The child of a prime minister as well.

This boy is not stupid. It's just people seem to feel like making fun of people of color is a joke, like Northam and Herring and all those. We're almost out of time, Erica. I'm going to let you have the last word. Just really quick. I mean, that's because they've been able to get away

with it for so long, but what an exciting time to be alive, and I hope everybody does what they need to do in support of our democracy. Well, this has been fantastic. I mean, I've had such a great panel. Greg, Honey, Erica, you guys are great. Roland was going to be back tomorrow. He'll be back in the driver's seat, but I hope you enjoyed

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