#RolandMartinUnfiltered - 9.23 #RMU: DHS admits white supremacy is a threat; Amber Guyger's trial; Can racism making you ill?

Episode Date: September 27, 2019

9.23.19 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Department of Homeland Security has recognized white supremacy as a domestic terror threat.t; Amber Guyger's trial begins; Pittsburgh police investigate the attack on two Black women by the owners of a gas station; The psychological effects of violence on Black women; Can dealing with racism be making us physically sick? Walmart singers go national and some of the notable Emmy winners from last night. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Life Luxe Jazz Life Luxe Jazz is the experience of a lifetime, delivering top-notch music in an upscale destination. The weekend-long event is held at the Omnia Dayclub Los Cabos, which is nestled on the Sea of Cortez in the celebrity playground of Los Cabos, Mexico. For more information visit the website at lifeluxejazz.com. - #RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: 420 Real Estate, LLC To invest in 420 Real Estate’s legal Hemp-CBD Crowdfunding Campaign go to http://marijuanastock.org Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Să facem o pătrunjelă. Să facem o pătrunjelă. Să facem o pătrunjelă. Să facem o pătrunjelă. Să facem o pătrunjelă. Să facem o pătrunjelă. Thank you. Martin! Thank you. Să facem o pătrunjelă. Thank you. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered for Monday, September 23rd, 2019. Roland Martin is off today. And I Doctor Avis Jones de Weaver. The Department of Homeland Security has finally recognized white

supremacy as a terrorist threat. The trial for Amber Geiger, accused of killing Botham John, started today. Pittsburgh police are investigating the attack on two black women by the owners of a gas station will also talk about the psychological effects of violence two black women by the owners of a gas station. We'll also talk about the psychological effects

of violence on black women. Plus, could dealing with racism be making us physically sick? We'll talk about that. And the Walmart singers go national, and some of the notable Emmy winners from last night will be going through all of that today on today's show. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's go.

He's got it. Whatever the mess, he's on it Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. With entertainment just for kicks He's rollin' With Uncle Roro, y'all It's Rollin' Martin Rollin' with Rollin' now He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rollin' Martin Now He's fresh, he's real, the best, you know he's rolling, Martin. Martin. Acting Department of Homeland Secretary Kevin McLean announced on Friday that for the first time they are focused on addressing the threat of white nationalism coming from within the borders of the United States. This is good news for national security and extremist experts who for years and with increasing urgency have sounded the

alarm about the threat of white nationalist terror. Last week the House Oversight Joint Subcommittee held a hearing on confronting white supremacy. The panel included of all people conservative pundit Candace Owens who said it's not an issue. But here are a few comments from some of the more credible panelists. Ms. Mulligan, what concerns do you have about white supremacist extremism in the ranks of law enforcement and intelligent communities? And I will add that I come from a law enforcement family, so nothing against law enforcement. So it's clear that the threat of violent white supremacy is not limited to those who are outside of our law enforcement

and national security communities. You mentioned law enforcement and police departments. I think another place where we see signs of radicalization that are troubling is actually in our active duty and returning members of the military and I think one of the things that makes it you know that makes it quite difficult to address is that those are the people who are supposed to be making, you know, keeping us safe. And we should have absolutely no tolerance for those types of ideologies in law enforcement, in

the intelligence community, in any part of the federal government, to include the military. And I do believe that most of those types of employment situations have rules and regulations that prohibit it. The question is whether they're being adequately enforced, and I think that more should be done in that arena. We look at existing counterterrorism strategies and have to wonder whether they take into account the rise of white supremacy. And as we see white supremacy further penetrating the American consciousness of some in our country. Doctor, I guess it is really Dr. Geltzer who I should direct this question to. How does the fact that white supremacy is so much more mainstream, if I can use that word, I don't want to, I don't want the American

public to think we think that they're bought into this but I'll use that more mainstream at least than Islamic logic your jihadism how does that change the way we think about it in national security terms thank you for the the question congresswoman i i think the emergence of white supremacism as you say not at all as a mainstream view but instead as something of increasing significance as a threat and a national security threat i think uh i think that needs to get reflected in the strategies that ultimately guide resources and priorities for the counterterrorism pieces of the U.S. government. Do you see it reflected yet?

Probably insufficiently, but my hope is that we're moving and that we will accelerate moving in a better direction. So going back to last year's National Strategy for Counterterrorism, there was at least explicit reference to it. And I give the administration strategy credit for including that acknowledge last year's what I'm sorry last year's national strategy for counterterrorism now today as I believe the chairman mentioned earlier today the Department of Homeland Security is anticipated to release its own strategy

implementing showing how that department in particular will implement that broader whole of government-government strategy. And my understanding is that the Department of Homeland Security will be explicit about this nature of the threat, and I think that's an important step forward to do so because 9-11 drove home, it was obvious after 9-11, the importance of acting against jihadism. Here, we need something that drives that home, not just to the American people, but also to the parts of government that answer to those strategy documents.

Well, it's certainly about time that we start to consider white supremacy as the terroristic entity that it is. And to join me on the panel today to talk about this is Erika Savage-Wilson, host of Savage Politics podcast, Derek Holley, president of Reaching America, and Joanna LeBlanc of National Security and Foreign Affairs Legal Analyst. I just so, I'm ready for this discussion,

but it took so long to get here. I mean, what are your thoughts about this hearing that they've had and that they're starting to have? Do you think this is enough and where do we need to go from here? Oh, absolutely not. And I think centuries, and I do mean centuries of lynchings,

of torture, the killings of black bodies and indigenous bodies definitely can prove that. You know, listen, white nationalism has always been a terroristic threat to this United States, these United States of America, especially to black communities. And so kind of the slow dragging that we're doing around strategies and things of this nature, we're at a place right now where the executive branch of government has completely submitted and laid out a plan around white supremacy. And so black bodies, brown bodies,

we're at an even more heightened sense of awareness. And so to be very honest with you, this is a conversation that's almost kind of like a late entry, and especially the way it's been categorized, that since 9-11, and then kind of like bringing it into conversations around jihadis and things of that nature, where this has always been a threat to the very citizenry of this country. Absolutely. It's almost as if they don't want to talk about white terrorism unless they somehow glean it onto what they perceive as the real terrorism, Muslim terroristic action.

Absolutely. And if I could add just very briefly that also, you know, just this weekend, we had a member of the military who was on a phone call with the undercover FBI agent talking about bombing and when specifically asked about action that they could take within Texas, this U.S. military member responded he wasn't very sure, but that he did have, you know, an idea of a candidate that could be taken out, a presidential candidate, that could actually cause a little bit of controversy,

so to speak, and I'm very much so paraphrasing it. This happened September 20th. The arrest was made on September 21st. So we're talking about things that are active, they might not be above the fold, but we are talking about people who are aligning themselves with far-right movements and using the military and other departments as a vehicle to make those things happen. Absolutely. So, Jonna, when you look at what we've done as a nation in terms of being very specific and very aggressive when it comes to rooting out terroristic activity that we believe comes from outside of the United States, you know, what do you think, why do you think we fall so short when it comes at looking at what's happening and what's really been birthed and grown and comes into fruition right on these shores? Sure. I'd like to give this conversation a little bit of context. So from 2002, I believe, up until 2017, the United States government spent roughly $2.8 trillion

in counterterrorism efforts, in particular the Iraq War, and ensuring organizations like al-Shabaab and Hamas don't have access to our shores and can't commit any crimes over here in the United States, which is all great to know that we have a country where we spend so much money in our military to ensure that we are protected

to prevent external threats from happening in the United States. But however, Kama, there is this white nationalism, which is a threat to American democracy. We look at what happened in Charlottesville where people died, and I always say this, one die is one too many. But as much as

I would like to criticize the administration, not only this administration, but previous administrations, for not having made white nationalism a threat, a homegrown terrorism issue. But we have to give credit to the Department of Homeland Security for even initiating the conversation around white nationalism. Now, the question to me is,

how much money is going to be put aside to ensure that we properly fight white nationalism? We can have all the conversation we want, but unless funds are allocated properly to properly fight this problem that we have in society, to me, it's just conversation. Well, that's a very good point. I mean, right at the beginning of this administration, there actually was money allocated to address the threat of white nationalism in America.

And the very first thing that this administration did was to gut that program out. I mean, these were this what they made a very concerted effort with this particular administration to say we are going to look the other way. I would argue largely because they know those are some of their political supporters. What do you think is... Yes. Another thing to look at is for America to actually, as a whole, say, you know what, white nationalism is an issue, will be, to a certain extent, indict the system. Because we know we have some of those, quote-unquote, white nationalists who are wearing robes, who are judges, who are police officers, who are teachers, who are police officers, who are teachers,

who are our principals and such. So as a society, we have to be careful how we frame things, especially when it comes to white nationalism, because you don't want to indict the entire system. So something that you kind of think about, but most people may not, but nonetheless, I think that's a way to look at it. I think that's why we're so reluctant to do it,

but what do you think, are we just giving too much deference to white fragility? That's how I would term this. I would say that I agree with most everything y'all said, that it's been an issue for a long time, and it's been overlooked. But I would say that the one thing is, I don't think it's a Democrat or Republican issue.

Mm-hmm. Um, it's a, it's a national issue. Like I said, it's been existing for a long time. And you go back, you know, a lot of what we experience right now comes from as a result of the Civil War. Yes. And so, um, and after the Civil War, during the Civil War,

there was only a certain amount of white people who owned slaves or the rich white people the most of the people in the south didn't own slaves so but in order to them buy into the myth to fight it was actually the great myth which still exists today that white people are superior to blacks and again that I think it's more covert right now because we see it in the workplace we see it in the workplace. We see it in the court system. We see it in the media. And so I think it's an issue that needs to be dealt with. I applaud this administration or the Homeland Security

for bringing this to the light right now because it should have been done a long time ago. But I think we need to shine the light on a whole. And we just can't call it a one-sided because you look at organizations like Antifa. Okay, so they're bringing damage. Who have they killed? Right here in Washington, D.C., they came here to wreck this city.

Who have they killed? I can't point to anyone. They haven't killed anybody. They have beat up a lot of people, though. They have zero murders. I really think that. Do you know what Antifa is short for? I don't, but I know that they go around wrecking stuff.

Antifa is short for anti-fascist. Right. That's what that organization stands for. So do we want to be pro-fascist? Well, I don't think we want to be anti-fascist either. Oh, really? Not when you go around beating up people in the streets just because they're reporting to media. And that just happened out in California.

I think that's a slight mischaracterization of what happened there. What you had there was you had Proud Boys individuals, which is a right-wing, racist, violent organization that specifically goes... I'm not twisting. I'm telling you what happened. What happened was you had an organization called the Proud Boys.

Are you familiar with that organization? Yes, ma'am. Are you familiar with that organization? And are you familiar with that is a white right-wing racist and violent organization that specifically goes to cities to start? Violent interaction do you realize that that organization they pay these people to show up at these the protests to do that Which ones are you talking about now all these all these protests these people are paid Protesters are you talking about the proud boys the proud boys and a lot of these? All these protests, these people are paid protesters. Are you talking about the Proud Boys? The Proud Boys and a lot of these people at these protests are paid because I know that I participate.

I have to participate by going to different hearings and such, and the people that show up at these hearings have been paid to be there. I've even written op-eds about this. There's an organization out in California that you go to their website right now, and they will tell you that they run ads on Craigslist to get people to come out and protest. They've even taken this model over to Europe to do the same thing,

to pay people to protest. Well, they also pay people to fill Trump rallies. I mean, let's just say that this is a common thing on the right, but it's... Go ahead. No, I mean, like, this is not... That's a playbook that's used by all, to get back to to the anti The Antifa piece I think that's kind of a lot of one of those talking points So to speak that gets thrown into conversations or to really thwart the larger narrative the larger narrative being that

To be a black body is to always be in a state of being policed Yeah, and that with that comes other pieces that really do impact our community. And so for a department that's less than 20 years old that was born out of us giving up some certain level of rights in order for this department to be founded and to produce this level of report, you say that that's applaudable. That's good. But this is a conversation that has much larger implications to what

absolutely is the bread and the heartbeat of our country. And so in that, I'm just saying that we have to be very, very mindful because this is being broadcast to other minds and ears, that at the heart of this is right wing white

supremacy and nationalism. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that part. And that has a huge impact on when we're talking about how Trump has to date now installed 152 judges, 99 of those in the district courts. And you're talking about 40 plus that are in the appeals court. That has an impact on those very same groups of people. Absolutely. I agree with you. appeals court, that has an impact on those very same groups of people. So to keep a group that

doesn't cause the level of violence, that doesn't cause people to be shot, killed, and continuing to abuse a community, let's put it in the right context. That is at the right, at the hand of people who have submitted to a right-wing manifesto. So Joanna, I want to bring Joanna into this, because exactly, when we think about, for example, the murderer in El Paso, um, in the manifesto that he wrote, which sounded like talking points from any Trump speech that I can imagine. But he was a Democrat, though, Doc.

But we're talking about, we're not throwing parties into this. We're talking about a system that is seeking supreme reign, period. That doesn't have a party affiliation. I said that at the beginning. And it doesn't have a religious affiliation either. I said that at the beginning. It has nothing to do

with a party. But you brought a group into this conversation. No, y'all brought the group into it. No, no, no, no. You said Antifa first. None of us brought out Antifa, that piece. What I'm saying is redirecting the conversation and the basis of this report, which is is long overdue to those people who are actively behind and pushing this which are right winged um organization folks that have submitted to that people that have submitted

to white supremacy and they are at all the reports that is why they talk and there's a reason why it didn't say right wing absolutely let's let's talked about military. And there's a reason why it didn't say right wing. Absolutely. Let's just get real about it. That's what this is, though. Absolutely. And let's also acknowledge that there is a false equivalency. Let's just be very real. There is a false equivalency to say that Antifa is equal to the Proud Boys, is equal to the Klan,

is equal to these white supremacist organizations that have murdered people in this country for centuries. And I agree, obviously. Um, if-if you have, uh, white supremacist organizations that go back decades and decades and decades, it's beyond any political party. But as we see where we are today, where we are today in terms of the sort of white supremacist ilk and where they typically stand in terms of who they support politically,

it is no accident that you have proud boys organizing trips to Trump rallies. I don't see them lining up to vote for people, for Democrats. So, I mean, Joanna, what do you think about where we stand with this particular sort of equivalence

between Antifa, who has murdered zero people? Let's just put that out there. I mean, it's really insulting. That we know of. Oh, really? Really? Okay, that we know of.

But how many do we know of that whites and premises have murdered? How many do we know of? That's right. Probably it's more than we can count. I don't know. So that's like an excuse to say that we know. Because if we know of hundreds of people throughout the history of this nature, if not thousands, thousands, thousands of people, what I can tell you, what I can tell you every

day that you are ignoring is the fact that white supremacists throughout the founding of this nation has murdered thousands upon thousands upon thousands of black and Indian people and others as well. And we just saw what happened. And we just saw what happened. But we have not seen the equivalent. And this is what happens all the time when people want to make excuses for white violence. But people want to make excuses for white violence by trying to put and trying to sort of lay blame with another organization that they see as counter to that, that is seeking to defend people who are under assault. That is the entire point of that organization. Yes. I don't think we can necessarily compare the two. I don't even know how Antifa got caught up in this conversation. Because it's a false equivalency. That's what it is. Because it's just, you can't connect the nexus. Just can't. not in this context, at least. But you said something earlier that we should not applaud the administration for doing this.

And I will respectfully disagree, and this is the reason why. This is an administration that has been plagued with the narrative of being racist, of being anti-immigrant, anti-blackness, anti-minorities, right? Anti-those of groups that are considered to be disadvantaged, quote-unquote, right? The Secretary of Homeland Security is appointed by the President of the United States, as we know. So for the Secretary to have taken this position, I think it has to be the same sort of belief with the president of the United States. The secretary would not have announced that white nationalism is an issue without the support of his boss. Now, some could argue that.

Let's see how long it is before he's fired. Some could argue that. Let's see how long he keeps that job. I will start the clock right now. Some could argue that the reason why this decision was made is because elections right around the corner. An effort to get support from minorities and those who have been impacted by white nationalists and white supremacy in America. But nonetheless, I think that we should applaud the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security for taking this bold step to call white nationalism what it is and to

address it as homegrown terrorism in the United States. And I'll stand flat-footed to say and I hear you, I disagree. And so then let me forward that and then title it a regime. And so I do not applaud them because in this current place that we're at, this, again, is an overdue conversation. And the assaults are steadily coming.

And so, you know, kind of like giving somewhat of a semblance of normalcy connection to this happening doesn't work for me. Well, I will just say that when you bring in Candace Owens to say, essentially, in blackface, that white supremacy does not exist, I have a hard time believing that there is any sincerity around really wanting to root out white nationalism in this nation. We have to go to a break right now. We'll be right back. You want to check out Roland Martin Unfil break right now. We forward slash Roland S. Martin. And don't forget to turn on your notifications

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To invest, go to marijuana stock.org. That's marijuana stock.org. Get in the game and get in the game now. Testimony began today in the murder of the trial of Amber Geiger, who shot and killed Botham Jean last year in his apartment. Geiger was an off-duty Dallas police officer still in uniform when she killed John. She told police that she mistook John's apartment for her own that night and thought he was a burglar. Here are some of today's opening statements. Just like she fails to recognize that she's parked on the fourth floor, she then enters, well, she goes past a skylight that is also open right to her left and right where she could look if

she chose to either side and see this isn't right she either doesn't do that or it doesn't register either she has a key fob that will allow her access to anywhere in the apartment complex she uses that to walk into the fourth floor hallway she has to go down two very long hallways now in order to get to what she thinks is her apartment. But in fact, she's walking towards both. It's a long walk. For someone as young and fit as her, maybe a minute or two. But a minute or two is actually a long time for you to keep on missing repeatedly obvious signs that something is not right.

She walks past 16 different apartments and fails to register the number 4 on any single one of them. Next to the door of this apartment complex, there's a lighted sign. And on the lighted sign is the apartment number. It's a little bit different than most apartments. Everyone that I've lived in growing up, they always have the numbers on the lighted sign is the apartment number it's a little bit different than most departments everyone that I've lived in growing up they always have the numbers on the door but she lived there for two months she knew where the apartment numbers were located and she walked past 16 of those without recognizing well maybe the explanation for that is she doesn't look straight

ahead when she's walking maybe she she looks down. All right? There are floor mat differences. Not major, but enough that you would notice that something isn't right. She then goes down the rest of the hallway because then she turns left. And she's walking up on Bo's apartment, 1478. And this is the one I really want you all to hear. Amber Geiger has no floor mat in front of her door. Amber Geiger has nothing but the concrete floor. Gray, concrete floor that looks like the rest of the floor. Botham Jean wanted his apartment to be very noticeable. And he took steps to make sure that happened.

In front of Botham's apartment is this Geiger had no floor mat. She walked right up and stepped on top of this as she entered and placed her key fob into the deadbolt lock of both of John's homes. To say that she was aware there was a red doormat and knowingly ignored it because she wanted to go into 1478 and shoot this man is preposterous. Amber Geiger was an autopilot. She got to the door and she put her key fob in

and in one motion, the door is opening. And it doesn't make sense, because normally you have to turn the handle. And she's trying to process this as she's stepping into her apartment. And at the same time, I'm sure Mr. John is thinking, what is this person doing? Who is coming to my apartment? But she's thinking, oh my God, there's an intruder in my apartment. And she's face to face with him. She's within 10 yards of him and he starts approaching her. And she reacts like any police officer would, who has a gun, with confronting a burglary suspect.

She's got tunnel vision. She's not looking around to see if her little table is there. She's not looking around to see any landmarks. She's not ascertaining any of this because she has tunnel vision. She's in her apartment. My God, there's a man in my apartment and he's big. Come on. Come on.

I call BS, okay? It is, that's just, it's insulting to the intelligence to think that that story holds water. I mean, what are your thoughts about this? Well, I think we could all probably agree on this one. Yes! Let's see. We can agree on this.

I just think, Azisha, I think it was all BS. One of the things it didn't mention on there as you read the article is she was on the phone with her lover, who was another officer. She had texted him an inappropriate photo while all this was happening, while she was walking up to this thing.

All this is in the article. It also talked about how when she first got into the apartment and when she did it, she said, I effed up. So she knew all this was... She knew she had screwed up. So now this is just a defense right now. And I think it is, as you said,

insulting to throw all this out at us right now. Absolutely. I think that, you know, what's happening here is a form of defense, which is called the mistake of fact, right? That as the defense attorney here, he has the right to defend her to his best ability, right? And when you have, when you raise a defense such as defense, a misfact, it kind of takes a weight on the liability. It can reduce your liability.

So that's what's happening here. But I think that anybody who can hear, can read, even if you don't have access to all of the evidence, you can say to yourself, like, you went into an apartment that wasn't yours, and you were on the phone with someone at the time, which means you weren't completely not there, right? Right.

You were having a conversation with someone else while you were walking towards that person's apartment, and then you ended up shooting him. But there's also another element to the black body, how it's always seen as a threat. Yes. Right? And then you end up shooting him. But there's also another element to the black body, how it's always seen as a threat. Yes. Right?

The dehumanization of the black body in America. Because some could argue that if there were a white man in that apartment, would he have died? That's right. If there were a white woman, would she have died? Good question. But nonetheless, I think that as a defense attorney to this officer,

the attorney is doing his best as raising a defense of missed fact. You raise a good point there about the perceived threat of the black body. And flipping that on his head, Erica, what do you think about the perceived innocent of the white female form? I mean, here we have this white woman who murdered this man. I mean, I don't care what sort of charges you want to bring out. He's dead. He's not coming back.

But they want to sort of paint her, I understand, as a defense attorney, that's his job to do it, as this poor sort of defenseless white woman who thought that a burglar, this big, burly, black burglar was in her apartment. And therefore, she did the only thing that she was trained to do as a policeman and murder him. Sure.

So on that innocence piece, so let's answer that question. Absolutely. We were talking about this earlier, that the grave testifies to those Ambers, those other folks that look like that, that have made black dangerous. Right. And so we're at a place where we can almost, or we can pretty much answer how this is going to turn out.

Right. Which is sad because you're talking about a young man whose life was cut down. He was a college graduate. He was a worship leader. He was beloved by his siblings and by his parents and by his family and by his much larger community. And so that's what we have to continue to lift up

and personify, that though black people and our bodies are always adulted, even as children, that we are always, unmistakably, no matter where we are on the diaspora, seen as a threat and as something that has to be taken down, that we continue to say his name, both on John and all of those brothers and sisters

who, again, the graves are testifying to the types of abuses that black bodies face and also hold these people accountable and stand with these families because unfortunately these patterns that we've seen are baked on the conditioning of who black folks are and who white people are. When it comes to this issue of sort of exposure to violence, that kind of leads right into our next story, unfortunately.

Protesters in Pittsburgh right now are demanding that a local gas station be shut down after the video of the owners of that gas station is shown attacking two black women. And that video went viral. Look at this disturbing video. Right. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. You can give my plate number. Shit! Fuck! Shit!

You don't fuck my boss! You don't fuck my boss! You don't fuck my boss! You don't fuck my boss! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh fuck my balls! Oh shit! Oh shit! God damn it! Shit! Oh shit!

Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! Get him out of here! That is a girl! That is a girl! Fucking bitch! You bitch! Get out. Get the fuck out.

Get on that back end. Uh-uh. Let her go. No. Wait, she in there wrecking shit down. Okay, mister. Separation. Get her.

Get her. What the fuck? Get her. Get her. Get her. Get out of here. Get out. Get out of here. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all going down. Y'all going down. I got this shit on camera. I got y'all. Y'all cool. Y'all cool. Y'all going down. I got my shirt.

Go ahead, because I ain't got shit to do with it. Go ahead.! Silk I don't! Protesters who camped out for a third day outside the Exxon gas station are concerned that the owners and an employee who assaulted the customer will only be charged with a misdemeanor. The sisters said that the dispute stemmed from a pump malfunctioning that resulted in their gas spilling.

According to Pittsburgh police, the woman's demand for a refund quickly escalated into a violent confrontation, which a bystander caught on video. Police have launched an investigation and as a result have determined that assault charges should be filed against the station's owner and an employee.

I almost kind of wish that the audience could have heard our reactions to that video as it was being showed because I'm hearing especially my brother saying oh my god oh my god the I had seen it it's just wow well I mean and as black women back to what you were saying earlier, just how we're perceived as people. And they felt like it was okay to do that. And at some point, they had to think that, you know what, I'm going to get off. And let me, and let's break down why.

Because black women are the most disrespected and less protected in this nation. Malcolm X said that almost 50 years ago, and it still rings true today. When you talk about why people believe that they could get away with things like this, you would have never seen a white woman handled like this. Oh, my God.

Absolutely not. Nobody is coming to our rescue. That is right. They absolutely know that. And I will say, and then to our community as well, stop spending your money in these places. Thank you. Stop giving your money to these individuals.

And I don't care where collectively. Stop giving money to folks that don't respect you, that don't respect you. They don't respect your life. They don't respect your body. They don't respect anything around you. They respect money. Withhold it.

Go somewhere else. If it's two, three blocks, a mile, great. Exercise. Get to spend more time with family or something else. But stop giving your money to folks that don't respect you. Because Ja'Kezia Clemons, who two years ago in Alabama was taken down by two law enforcement officers because she dared to ask for to-go cutlery out of a Waffle House, and folks are still giving them money to a Waffle House? Yes.

Stop doing it. Absolutely. So after the investigation is complete and arrests have been made, there will still be some healing that these two women obviously will have to go through. Joining me now to talk about that is licensed therapist and author C. Anderson. Thanks for joining us, C. Thank you for having me. I'm sure you heard the truth that Erica just spilled here

about the lack of protection for black women. Could you give us some more insight on that? Absolutely. I think that she was so spot on when she mentioned that black women in this country are the least protected and the most despised. I think that that is symptomatic of the fact that we are not only women, so there's sexism, but it intersects with the fact that we are a minority of black women. So racism

intersects to create a very explosive environment for us. And so what can we do as a community to better protect ourselves? I almost feel like as Black women, we're caught between a rock and a hard place. Because on the one hand, it's as if we're often attacked for being too strong, for being too independent, for having to hold it down for ourselves. Because you saw, that sister was going in there trying to protect the other woman. There's no men coming to their defense. But on the other hand, so...

Right, and you see third woman coming. Yeah, absolutely. So we're chastised for being too masculine in that way. We're not feminine enough. But at the same time, if we don't protect ourselves, who will? Oh, my God. Precisely.

So, historically, black women are seen as either a vixen, a sexualized, overly sexualized character. Uh, we're also seen as a strong black woman who will, to her own sacrifice, she will, um, take on the world's problems, her family's issues, suffering some mental health issues as a result, or

you see the angry black woman. Anytime that we are attempting to protect ourselves, we're attempting to assert who we are just as a human being, we are seen and categorized as angry. I see this all the time in my practice

when I work with young Black professional women and they are either fired, reprimanded, or very benign offenses. And you're seen as angry when they're being assertive. And they're coming in with chronic anxiety, vicarious trauma from watching videos, such as the one with the two women in Pittsburgh. And what really happens is it starts to bring in weight on our psyche, which of course is going to affect us in our everyday life.

So we have a couple of questions from the panel. Thank you so much. First, Derek. I was going to ask Ms. Anderson, just, I mean, that was a brutal beatdown. I mean, and it was hard to even watch. So as a therapist, what would you say, what kind of long-term effect is that going to have on those young ladies? And how would they go about even trying to heal themselves from something like that? I can see that just happening. The first thing I want to make clear is that racism is trauma. So even if you are not physically injured,

your person is still safe or you don't have any physical injury, racism is a mental and psychological trauma. And unfortunately, as African Americans, that is something that we're exposed to very, very early, even as early as I will show you. So on top of that, the physical violation of the person exacerbates the racial trauma. So my recommendation immediately to lessen the occurrence of PTSD would be to get them in with a licensed therapist.

The sooner that there can be an intervention, the less likely they are to suffer the long-term effects of a violent crime. There will absolutely be some effects, but the sooner that there's an intervention, the less likely there will be one that is going to be severe. I had a question as well. Yes, so this is Erica Savage, and thank you so much. My question for you is, I read in your video, you talked about meditation as a way to create some level of balance. Could you talk a little bit more about the meditation piece? Sure.

What I found is that we as African American women are taught to care for our whole selves. We are taught that you grind, you get it the best way that you can. You don't stop, right? And so our psyche, our spiritual selves are going to suffer. So even if you're not religious or spiritual or you don't have a God that you worship, just being still, just being able to connect with the present moment is so powerful. So when we look at women that experience chronic anxiety, where they're either very concerned about what's happened in the past or they're worried about what's happening in the future, you are missing the present moment. Meditation quiets the mind and the body

and allows you to connect with the present, which will overall improve one's mental health. And quickly, Joanne, I wanted to have one quick question. Sure. So I have younger sisters and a younger brother. How would I train them to understand how to cope with racism in the workplace or even in the academic setting? It's very, very important that we choose, number one, the academic settings that we're

putting our children of color, particularly African American and Latino children in because studies show us that our children are criminalized. There was just a six-year-old girl in a six-year-old that were arrested in Florida last week as a result of typical adolescent behavior. So it's important that you put your children in a place, first and foremost, that understands the cultural implications and nuances of the African-American child. The other part of that is people are fearful that if we talk about this, it will somehow cause it. But it's so important to talk to your children about the differences that they may be perceiving in society, in class. Are they more apt to be called upon for disruptions?

Are they told that they are loud and disruptive, while other kids of another race are doing the very same thing, but not getting the same type of reprimand. So those kinds of things, them being self-aware and emotionally intelligent to be able to convey to their parents and caregivers that I feel a little odd, I feel different, I feel left out at school. See, Anderson, thank you so much for joining us. Your perspectives have really been so important. Thank you so much. A Florida police officer was suspended

after he arrested two young children in school last week, including a six-year-old who was acting out because of an apparent medical condition. The girl's grandmother, Marilyn Kirkland, attributed her behavior problems to sleep apnea. The girl was taken to a juvenile detention center Thursday, where she was set to be processed at six years old, y'all. The arrest was stopped after a supervisor learned of it, and she was returned to school. Police Chief Orlando Rolan said in a statement that the Reserve School Resource Center resource officer Dennis Turner did not obtain the approval of a commanding officer before making the arrest on Thursday as department policy requires Turner has been suspended while

the department conducts an internal investigation well you know the therapist just told us about this right it seems like all the events really kind of like tied together yes and so when we look at, again, we're talking about children. But we're talking about black children, one of which was misaged. He was aged at eight years old. It was a six-year-old young black boy that was, in fact, processed and had a mug shot.

And handcuffed. Absolutely. Absolutely. Talk about traumatized. Absolutely. So that was his interface with law enforcement, who we pay to protect and serve its citizensry, which

hello, everybody, black people are citizens. And we pay taxes. And we absolutely do pay taxes, and we over tip. To break up the monopoly a little bit. You know, Georgetown did this girl-interrupted erasure of, um, our childhood study and found that black girls at the age of five

are less nurtured than their white counterparts. And then when you start looking at them being in the school system, are twice as likely than their white counterparts to be... have multiple suspensions. So all of this ties back to the criminality of black bodies. And mental health issues in the black community. Super quickly, Joanna.

The unfortunate reality is that this is what's happening in our schools in inner cities throughout America. I mean, I'll share something very quick with you guys. When I was in law school, I worked as a teacher at a school in a rural area. In a rural area, rather. One of the reasons I quit was because I saw kids getting put in handcuffs

for merely raising their voice, for merely fighting. Kids fight. Because what I saw was, when I was in the affluent neighborhoods, when the kids will fight, they'll call Mommy and Daddy to pick them up. But in the school setting which I was placed at,

those kids were arrested and sent to juvie. So what happens to those children is they become desensitized to the notion of being arrested. You would see the kids, right? They would argue and make noise in the hallway. And then they would walk towards the officer with their hands like this, arrest me. And that is very troubling to know that you have kids. First, before they even graduate from high school, they have a record, right? And we know as a person of color,

even when you're educated, it's extremely challenging to find employment, right? And to get paid the money that you deserve, the salary that you deserve. Now let's look at, you have a record and you're going to college. How are you supposed to traverse and maneuver life with that kind of record?

And second, those kids become desensitized to the notion of being arrested. And second, those kids become desensitized to the notion of being arrested. And I know as someone from the Republic of Haiti, one of the most embarrassing thing that could happen to you is being placed in handcuffs. So those kids, I saw that I was a part of the system where I was their teacher, the kids would get in trouble,

and they'll get handcuffed and sent down to juvie. So I ultimately quit because I could not live with myself knowing that I was part of a system that was setting those kids up for failure. The kids did not understand what was happening. They didn't understand what would happen in the future because they could only think in the moment, obviously, their children.

But for me, I understood what that meant for them to have a record before they even graduate from high school. So what is happening with this 8-year-old and 6-year-old is not an isolated incident. This is happening all across our country. Before our kids even graduate from high school, they have records, long records.

Absolutely. I would say that some of the similarities that exist in urban areas are the same in rural communities. Absolutely, too. A lot of the same things. Racism, unfortunately, is everywhere. All right? And this is an example of institutionalized racism, plain and simple.

Almost every black person in America. Oh, I'm sorry. We have a break. I don't want to skip that. We'll be right back. You want to support Rollerball Unfiltered? Be sure to join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar that you give to us supports our daily digital show.

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Cassandra, Donnie, it just touched my heart, man. When I saw that video, it was like my soul was rattling. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you.

I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm glad you're coming. Congratulations. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Oh, my God! Oh, my God!

Oh, my! So, we're gonna be giving you guys an all-expense paid trip back to NYC to show him your amazing talents and enjoy the show And I learned about this from you know common put it out there my buddy Roland Martin sent it to me and say said You have to get them on your show. And so I'm so happy here because I saw this video. It was mind blowing to me. Oh, wow.

Thank you. So much talent. And love. And you sent it off right away. Yes, you don't have. All of us going, if you haven't seen this, you have to watch it right now. He was so inspired.

Thank you. So Roland, I know that was no accident that your boy gave you a shout out. And this just happens to be the clip that you gave him. Hey, hey, go ahead, man. Do your thing. All right, Roland, I'll see you, bro. I'll see you. Do your thing.

Do your thing. Oh, my God. So we'll keep following this story, because it is a wonderful story, and I'm sure they'll have a lot more to come in the future, right? So in case you missed the Emmy Awards last night, there were two wins that we're very happy about. Jharrel Jerome, who gave an amazing performance

on When They See Us as Corey Wise, one of the five men who was... He was one of the five men whose 1999 rape convictions were overturned in 2002. Jerome was clearly overwhelmed when he took the stage to receive his award for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Limited Series, but was able to thank his mom, Ava DuVernay, and the exonerated five, Raymond Santana, Kevin Richardson,

Yusef Salaam, Antron McCray, and Wise, who were there and rose to give the actor a much-deserved standing ovation. And Billy Porter never fails to make a statement, right? Last night, he made history by becoming the first openly gay black man to win the lead actor role in a drama category. He won for his role as the flamboyant ballroom emcee Pray Tell in FX's series Pose. Congratulations to both of them and to all of the Emmy winners. Well, that's it for today's edition of Roland Martin Unfiltered.

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