#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Atty for Arbery killers attacks Black pastors; Killer cop still on the job; Build Back Better plan

Episode Date: November 12, 2021

11.11.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Attorney for Arbery killers attack Black pastors; Killer Chicago cop still on the job; Rep. Horsford talks Build Back Better billWe have our eye on two trials. The o...ne in Georgia of the three white men who chased and gunned down Ahmaud Arbery. The focus was on who was in the courtroom and not who was testifying. We'll have Barbara Arnwine, and Daryl Jones from Transformative Justice Coalition will tell us what happened in Brunswick, Georgia.The defense has concluded its case in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial.Congressman Steven Horsford, the 1st Vice-Chair of The Congressional Black Caucus, will be on our show today to discuss the Build Back Better Plan.An Alabama county is the first environmental justice investigation to be conducted by the Justice Department. Lowndes County residents allege Alabama's health department is aware of low-income black residents' burden in accessing safe wastewater-management systems.The family of a black man killed by a Chicago police officer is wondering why he was still on the force with a history of violence and a recommendation to be fired in 2016.In South Carolina, a principal is accused of forcing a 9-year-old to clean a school bathroom with a toothbrush as punishment.  #RolandMartinUnfiltered partners:Nissan | Check out the ALL NEW 2022 Nissan Frontier! As Efficient As It Is Powerful! 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3FqR7bPAmazon | Get 2-hour grocery delivery, set up you Amazon Day deliveries, watch Amazon Originals with Prime Video and save up to 80% on meds with Amazon Prime 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3ArwxEh+ Don’t miss Epic Daily Deals that rival Black Friday blockbuster sales 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3iP9zkv👀 Manage your calendar, follow along with recipes, catch up on news and more with Alexa smart displays + Stream music, order a pizza, control your smart home and more with Alexa smart speakers 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3ked4liBuick | It's ALL about you! The 2022 Envision has more than enough style, power and technology to make every day an occasion. 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3iJ6ouPSupport #RolandMartinUnfiltered and #BlackStarNetwork via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfilteredDownload the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox 👉🏾 http://www.blackstarnetwork.com#RolandMartinUnfiltered and the #BlackStarNetwork are news reporting platforms covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:17 Also on today's show, we'll focus on two national trials, one involving the three white men who killed Ahmaud Arbery. We'll talk to Barbara Arnwine, who's been on the ground fighting for justice, fighting for that family, and also the defense arrest in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse, the young white man on trial for killing two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Also on today's show, Alabama County is the first environmental justice investigation being conducted by the Department of Justice. We'll tell you about that. Also in South Carolina, a principal is accused of forcing a nine-year-old child to, I'm sorry,
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Starting point is 00:03:29 Whatever the piss, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine. And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling. Best belief he's knowing. Putting it down from sports to news to politics. With entertainment just for kicks, he's rolling. He's The trial of the three white men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery continues in Brunswick, Georgia. And folks, this strange trial continues. The homeowner who owned the home where Ahmaud Arbery had entered that was still being constructed said that no property, to his knowledge, had been stolen. Now, these three white men, they concluded that Amaral
Starting point is 00:04:45 Arbery was robbing houses, but even they admitted that nothing that was actually taken. They had no idea. Not only that, the defense team for these white men are upset, and they actually asked the judge to keep black pastors who have been attending the trial from being able to sit in the courtroom. Here's a photo here of Reverend Dr. William J. Barber, who was actually in the courtroom today. This is a photo here. He posted this on his Twitter feed of him sitting in the courtroom. Listen to these white attorneys try to keep black pastors out of the courtroom. My understanding while I was across the damn investigator Lowry yesterday is that the right
Starting point is 00:05:37 Reverend Al Sharpton managed to find his way into the back of the courtroom i'm guessing he was somehow there at the invitation of the victim's family in this case and i have nothing personally against mr sharpton my concern is that it's one thing for the family to be present it's another thing to ask for the lawyers to be present but if we're going to start a precedent starting yesterday we're going to bring high profile members of the african--American community into the courtroom to sit with the family during the trial in the presence of the jury. I believe that's intimidating, and it's an attempt to pressure, could be consciously or unconsciously, an attempt to pressure or influence the jury. To my knowledge, Reverend Al Sharpton has no church in Glynn County. He never has.
Starting point is 00:06:23 He hasn't been here since Elaine Brown ran for mayor, to my knowledge. But we have all kinds of people. We have school board members. We have county commissioners. We have all kinds of pastors in this town, over 100. And the idea that we're going to be serially bringing these people in to sit with the victim's family one after another, obviously there's only so many pastors they can have. And if their pastor's Al Sharpton right now, that's fine, but then that's it. We don't want any more black pastors coming in here or other, Jesse Jackson, whoever was in here earlier this week, sitting with the victim's family trying to influence a jury in this case.
Starting point is 00:07:02 And I'm not saying the state is even aware that Mr. Sharptonpton was in the courtroom i certainly wasn't aware of it until last night but i think the court can understand my concern about bringing people in who really don't have any ties to this case other than political interests and we want to keep politics out of this case so So I'm asking the court to take appropriate steps to make sure that the gallery, which is already limited in this case, isn't being utilized for a purpose that could be viewed as improper. From the state? It's a public courtroom, and I have no idea how the Reverend Al Sharpton appeared to be here. Um, so the state had no part in that whatsoever. So the state is unaware of how that occurred or how he came to be seated with the
Starting point is 00:07:56 family. If a bunch of folks came in here dressed like Colonel Sanders with white masks sitting in the back, I mean that would be, so let me tell you what I had heard at lunchtime today. What I had heard yesterday before lunch is that there was going to be... that the Reverend Al Sharpton was going to be appearing on the courthouse and appearing with the family. I was asked at lunch whether the court had any objection to Reverend Al Sharpton coming into the courtroom. And I said, as a member of the public, there are certain limitations on what we can do here. What is going on?
Starting point is 00:08:37 And what I was told was instead of having someone from the family sitting in the courtroom, that he was going to be sitting there instead of somebody else from the family and my comment to that was simply as long as things are not disruptive and it's not a distraction to the jury or anything else going on in the courtroom so be it well I will tell you that I noticed him once and that was it and the fact that nobody else even noticed that he was in here means that everybody complied with this court's rulings on sitting in this courtroom and listening to the evidence. I don't hear a motion, and I will tell you this, I'm not going to blanketly exclude members of the public from this courtroom. If individuals based on the limitations that we have in the courtroom end up sitting in the courtroom and they can do so respectful of the court's process and in compliance with
Starting point is 00:09:33 this court's orders with regard to the conduct of the trial and they're not a distraction, then I'm not going to do anything about it. And I did not hear from anyone that there was any distraction whatsoever. Mr. Eamon, do we see some of the same items in this house or in this construction site in the daytime as in the nighttime? Yes. Okay. And to your knowledge, at this point, has anything ever been taken or disturbed no no and do you remember if you called the police this day during this daytime clip
Starting point is 00:10:19 i don't think i did okay do you remember the date that this was taken? I'm not going to be correct, but I think it's the day that Mr. Aubrey got shot. As I said, one of those passengers today sitting in the court was Reverend Dr. William J. Barber. He appeared with others on the courthouse steps calling the murder of Ahmaud Arbery a lynching. We're all to scatter it out. The Four Peoples Campaign, we understand the intersection between the acts of racial violence, like the lynching of Arbery and the police violence that leads to all these unnecessary deaths.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Ahmaud said unnecessary. Unnecessary. But we got to understand, what we have seen here with the mod is not just murder, it's an act of terrorism. Yes. And America, the only way we're gonna stop this is America, you're gonna have to come to understand that this kind of terrorism and murder is not just dangerous to black people, it's dangerous to the entire country.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Joining us right now from Brunswick, Georgia, Barbara Arnwein. She is president of the Transformative Justice Coalition. Daryl Jones, he is the chair of the Transformative Justice Coalition. Glad to have both of you. Y'all have been on the ground there from day one. Focus on this. It's rather insulting, Barbara, to listen to this white attorney specifically say to the court,
Starting point is 00:11:51 deny black pastors from attending. Everybody out there, y'all have been there. This is an open, as the judge said, this is a public courtroom. This is not a closed case, a closed trial. So for this white attorney to specifically ask for black pastors not to be allowed to attend is utterly shameful. It is disgraceful. And I want you to know, Roland, that this is, I would say, the fifth motion, I believe, that he has made. He's made four motions that banned the Transformative Justice Coalition by name, and me and some
Starting point is 00:12:32 others from the presence in the courthouse. And let me be very clear, any presence at all on the courthouse grounds, each time the judge has denied it, he said that's grounds for mistrial, the attorney has. He even in his motion, in one of his motions, wrote that the black press, the black media is how he put it, the black media was intimidating jurors by being, potential jurors by being as part of the press pool. So this man's got problems. He's got serious problems. And I'm not shocked that he said this. I sat right in that courtroom next to Reverend Al Sharpton yesterday.
Starting point is 00:13:15 There was nothing, not a stir, not a look, nothing. The jury, if you're in that courtroom, you will see that the jury is intensely watching the witnesses, the judge, and all the evidence. They're reading the transcripts. They're doing all the work that they should be doing as jurors. So I just think that this man is desperate. He knows that they are in trouble. I mean, one of the pieces of evidence that was introduced today was the evidence that the homeowner believed that there was this white couple that was actually doing all this thieving, and that he actually called the police on them twice, and he actually called the police on them a third time when he thought he had
Starting point is 00:13:54 found out where they lived. You don't hear anything about anybody going to, quote, investigate these white people, to identify these white people. but he believed they were the thieves who had taken items from his home. And he said Ahmaud never took a thing, not one thing. Daryl, this is pure racism by this attorney to be targeting black people. How in the world is somebody black intimidating the jury by sitting in the courtroom listening to the proceedings? And, you know, Roland, you know, thanks for having us on. And that's an excellent question. And one of the things that's been consistent from the defense team has been this, the issue of rates, right? They wanted to ban the transformative justice coalition
Starting point is 00:14:43 because they said, we were going to bring 20,000 people into Glynn County and put them under courthouse steps and intimidate the jury. They wanted to ban, they wanted to ban the black pastors. They wanted to ban the black media. Now they even wanted to go as far and they succeeded in banning black jurors. So there has been a consistency to what they've done. And that is they wanted to ban anything black because, you know, it's not a question of intimidation because there's been no intimidation that has gone on here. The only thing that's been intimidating is that, you know, their presence in the courtroom is intimidating themselves. We were there, right? When Pastor Barber, when William Barber came in,
Starting point is 00:15:27 he wasn't in the main courtroom. Right. He was in an overflow courtroom. So they never even saw him. He was out of the vision of the attorneys as well as the jury. So, you know, it's just a horrible argument. So, but they know, they know that it ain't stopping.
Starting point is 00:15:42 You know, they know that we've been out marching. They know we've been out in the community. They know that Reverend Jesse that it ain't stopping. You know, they know that we've been out marching. They know we've been out in the community. They know that Reverend Jesse Jackson is on the way. You know, they called him out saying that he was there. They ain't seen anything yet, everyone. You know, Reverend Jackson is coming, and it's not going to stop because this family, the Arbery family, it's not about trying to intimidate a community. It's about trying to support the family. And that's why Reverend Sharpton came.
Starting point is 00:16:06 That's why Reverend Barber came. That's why Reverend Jackson is coming. All of them have been invited by the family to come and provide their support. That's what this is about. It's bad lawyering on their side to try to do what they're doing and banning blacks. Really, it's what they want to do is just ban blacks from the courtroom. And, you know, interesting, Roland, one of the things that Barbara and I always discuss, right, is that this is what they do when the nation is watching.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Yes. Can we imagine what they've done in the cases when no one has been watching? That's the scary thought. And I want to point out also, Ro, when you are saying it's racist, be clear that every morning there are pastors out in front of the courthouse praying with the family. And you know why they haven't complained about them? Because most of them are white. And they, you know, so this is very racist and very racially targeted. They're only focusing on the black pastors, when indeed there have been rabbis out there, there have been Methodists, there have been Unitarians, there have been, you name every
Starting point is 00:17:15 Christian and non-Christian denomination, and they've been out there praying with the family. So this is really facial targeting. But they might as well just sit themselves down, because we aren't going anywhere, and we're bringing in more, as Daryl said so brilliantly, we're bringing in more black pastors. We're bringing in more pastors from throughout the Glynn County area, because ultimately the lesson here is that this racist, vicious, vigilante killing has to be addressed. They have to be held accountable, but there needs to be a new Glynn County, because the
Starting point is 00:17:55 fact that you got this kind of racial segregation, this kind of inopportunity that exists in Glynn County, that has to be addressed. And there's no racial justice until you address it. And they're scared because they see a new order coming. There's a new political order. He's correct. It is political in the sense that the white people in the county are thinking very differently about their politics. And that's scaring them. They see a change happening in Glynn County. And, you know, Roland, if I may, that's what I found to be most laughable.
Starting point is 00:18:36 The fact that he specifically said black pastors. He didn't say pastors. He specifically said black pastors. Darrell, go ahead. Yeah. No. And, you know, Roland, one of the interesting things that the barber was laying out is this, is that Glynn County is changing. And it's changing because, you know, one of the things that we noted in this trial during the beginning stages of questioning were the number of white jurors here in Glynn County that were saying that they thought that the actions of these defendants were despicable. Right. And just against them and that they formulated prejudiced opinions about them already. So in terms of the changing dynamics, it's there. You've got to remember that Goff is the same one
Starting point is 00:19:12 who made this motion about banning the black pastors, is the same one who made a motion that said that his client can't get a fair trial because there are not enough uneducated white males on the jury. No, no, no. He says there's not enough Bubbas and six-p males on the jury. No, no, no. He says it's not enough bubbles and six-packs on the jury. It is, look, I understand the whole point of being able to defend your client,
Starting point is 00:19:37 but what we're seeing here is pure racism coming from these lawyers. And thankfully, this judge rejected their pleas. Y'all have been doing some great work there. We live streamed the rally that you had earlier. And we certainly thank for the hard work that y'all are doing there on the ground, standing with that family. Daryl Jones and Barbara Arnweiler, appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Thank you so much, Yarelin. All right, I want to bring in my panel right now. Recy Colbert, founder of Black Women Views. Dr. Greg Carr with the Department of African-American Studies at Howard University. Mario Solomon Simmons, civil rights attorney, founder of Justice for Greenwood. Glad to have all three of you here. You know, Recy, I was sitting here listening to that attorney, and all I could hear in my head, you were unleashing Piers Morgan-level F-bombs at the white supremacy that was just dripping out of his mouth. Yeah, and I have some F-bombs coming right now. Because what I have to say is, if y'all are so motherfucking intimidated by the presence of black people, why don't y'all leave us the fuck alone? We wouldn't even
Starting point is 00:20:50 be in a trial for these motherfuckers if they had just left Ahmaud Arbery alone. He was minding his black-ass business, jogging, committing no crimes, when these white men happened upon him and decided to be slave patrol vigilantes and lynch him.
Starting point is 00:21:07 So there is this whole notion of intimidation is bullshit. Look at Trayvon Martin, walking home, minding his business, and somebody decides to be intimidated by him, George Zimmerman, and murders him. You had Botham John, who was in his apartment, his own apartment, who gets murdered because the woman is scared. You were in his apartment. Breonna Taylor, she's in her bed.
Starting point is 00:21:33 She's in her apartment. And this is just the common theme of people claiming to be so damn intimidated by black people while seeking us out for violence. And they're the ones that are intimidating. So I'm sick of hearing about intimidation. It's about the fact that these people believe that Black people moving freely is an affront to their white supremacist need to oversee our every move. It's legal. It's perfectly legal. It's actually allowed by the rules for the public to come. It doesn't matter who you are. There's no restriction on it. They're not being disruptive. They had to be told that Reverend Al Sharpton was there. So this is really a further just white violence. The rhetoric and the antics and the motions are flat out white supremacist violence.
Starting point is 00:22:28 It's disgusting to even be subjected to it. And I just can't even imagine what Ahmaud Arbery's family is going through. Yeah, you damn right they need all of the Holy Ghost, the Lord Jesus, every Black pastor descending on them just to keep them going because I'm disgusted sitting here listening to the shit. And these people say this and they have no sense of humanity, of decency and shame. None of it. It's disgusting. I am sick of it. I want everybody, Black, white, Latino, Asian, every person of faith that can descend on that courtroom and show them that a human being was lynched in 2020. And it took the outcry of the public to even get to that damn trial. That's what I want to see. And if you're intimidated, good. Maybe you'll do the right damn thing for a change.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Mario, I have, over the years, I've covered trials. I've witnessed trials. I remember when Michael Irvin was on trial and Troy Aikman came to the courtroom to stand with his wide receiver. The judge, Manny Alvarez, called him into the chambers and said, look, long as you're not a disruption, long as you don't do anything in particular, if you just simply sit there like anyone else,
Starting point is 00:23:54 did not want signing of autographs and taking pictures in the courtroom. And Troy Aikman said, absolutely. Trials are public. This is one of the most racist things that I have ever, I've seen a lot before. This is probably one of the most overt, blatant, racist requests I have ever heard from an attorney to specifically bar black pastors. When you heard Barbara and Darrell say that there are white preachers who are standing with the family of Ahmaud Arbery?
Starting point is 00:24:30 Yeah, Roland, thanks for having me on once again. Good to see all the panelists. You know, this is something that should have been struck down more forcefully by that judge. I'm very disappointed that the judge did not admonish him, sanction him, and he should be sanctioned by the bar. I'm hoping that a black attorney down in Georgia, maybe my good friend Chris Stewart in Atlanta, will file a bar complaint because that is ridiculous. And we already know this judge is sympathetic to this type of racism because he allowed this trial to move forward knowing that they were striking black jurors illegally against what's called Batson. So this is something that's, I'm right like Reesey, it's sickening. It reminds
Starting point is 00:25:05 me of a case I had here in Oklahoma where my client was impacted or encountered a white security guard. The security guard had no reason to encounter my client. My client was driving off, driving away from the security guard, and he shoots him in the back, through the neck,
Starting point is 00:25:21 paralyzes him and kills him. And then the security guard said he feared for his life, because the reality is that our bodies is considered a dangerous weapon. And Recy had it just correct. They don't like to see us be able to move around freely. So this is just ridiculous. But that judge had a duty, and he failed the duty to admonish for that lawyer to say black pastors. That is overt intentional discrimination.
Starting point is 00:25:50 It is the type of intentional discrimination that we did not see often until Trump came back on the scene. We know as black people that's always there. But in the courtroom, I've never seen that. I've been practicing law for 17 years. I've never seen anything like that. The judge should have admonished him. And I hope there is a bar complaint against that racist, overt racist attorney. You know, Greg, we saw the judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse case just go off repeatedly
Starting point is 00:26:21 against the prosecution. This was an example where this judge should have shut that down and absolutely admonished his lawyer for his racism. Yes, of course, or not. I mean, you know, unlike turn-them-loose Bruce Schroeder up there in Wisconsin, turn-Kyle-loose seems like the grand wizard of the keep Kyle from being convicted, the KKK, up there in Wisconsin, Schroeder, who we'll talk about. This judge, Timothy Walmsley, by comparison, is a flaming progressive. And that really is the first mark that we see of the abusive relationship called black America with America,
Starting point is 00:27:04 the idea that this man spoke what he did, and I agree with you, Brother DeMario, it's good to see you, brother, that he should have been much more forceful, but the fact that he even was as, relatively speaking, forceful as he was is something that Black people would be grateful for. But let's take a minute to talk about this hillbilly, Kevin Robert Goff, the defense attorney. Mr. Goff, I'd like to congratulate him, as I do all white nationalists and racists, for saying it with their chest. I don't think he was talking to any black people or anybody really in the courtroom, maybe not even the jurors. You know, he's talking, he's playing to his crowd. His crowd
Starting point is 00:27:40 is the court of public opinion. And we know that Brunswick, Georgia is 55 percent black. We know that the surrounding Glenn County is 70 percent white. And his statement wasn't just an all shucks kind of rambling of a hillbilly lawyer. It was a carefully crafted piece of hate speech. Notice what he said. The first thing he said was the right Reverend Al Sharpton. Now, unless I miss my unless my memory is faulty, I don't think Al Sharpton is either Lutheran, Anglican, or Catholic. And those are the areas that most of them,
Starting point is 00:28:11 when you call somebody right Reverend, that was the first insult, the right Reverend Al Sharpton. Then he said, manage to find his way. This is the language of apartheid. This is the language of Jim Crow. They're gonna put F.W. the clerk in the ground and South Africa get ridden shortly. He just died today. But in America, when you say managed to find their way, it's
Starting point is 00:28:29 language you learn, you use for vermin. You use for insects. You use for rats and mice. And then later when he said Jesse Jackson is going to be in here, like, that's like a rat got in my house or a mouse is in here. And he said, I haven't seen, he hasn't been here since Elaine Brown ran for mayor. Elaine Brown, former leader of the Black Panther Party, ran for mayor of Brunwick, Georgia, in a write-in campaign in 2005. Up until then, this majority black city
Starting point is 00:28:56 had never had a black mayor, didn't have one now, although it has a black mayor now. And then finally, he didn't just say black ministers. The last thing he said was, we're going to let high-profile members of the black community. Oh, man, I just want to embrace that man and give him a hug that's so tight that it breaks his spine because I want to congratulate him
Starting point is 00:29:16 for expanding that to basically any N-words come in here that ain't part of the family. He didn't just say ministers. He said high-profile part of the family. He didn't just say ministers. He said high profile members of the black community. It was an exquisitely crafted piece of hate speech by this white nationalist. Good job. Good job. Folks, that is what we are seeing and dealing with. Real quick, the defense, they have rested in the case of Kyle Rittenhouse, who was on trial for killing two people in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:29:46 And so very soon, the jury is going to actually get this, and we'll see what happens in that case as well. Got to go to break. We come back on Roland Martin Unfiltered. We'll talk with Congressman Stephen Horsford of Nevada, who was the first vice chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. Build back, better build. How will this benefit African Americans? He'll explain next right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Broadcasting live from Los Angeles on the Black Star Network. ТРЕВОЖНАЯ МУЗЫКА Betty is saving big holiday shopping at Amazon.
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Starting point is 00:32:09 All right, folks. Welcome back to Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. On Monday, President Joe Biden is going to sign the Build Back Better bill in a ceremony at the White House. The $1.2 trillion bill has a whole lot in it. Too many people in national media have been focusing on just the number, not who it is going to help. Joining us right now is Congressman Stephen Horsford of Nevada, who, of course, the first vice chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. Glad to have you back on the show, my fellow Alfred brother. First and foremost, sorry to Mario, you know, I know ain't that many Omegas in Congress, so that's how it works uh we have the most uh yes yes yes say it again alphas have uh the most representation of brothers on on the hill
Starting point is 00:32:54 yeah so i know trust me demario right now he's struggling it's all good so let's talk about let's talk about the bill how How does this benefit Black America? I get that question from a lot of people, people who have not actually taken the time to actually read the bill, to study up things along those lines. How does that benefit us? Well, first, since today is Veterans Day, I want to start by thanking all of our men and women who have served and continue to serve in the armed services and to their family members. Every single day we need to give them thanks and especially today.
Starting point is 00:33:32 And thank you, Roland, for having me on. You look good out there in L.A. Make your way out to Vegas when you get a chance. As you indicated. Don't worry about it. We certainly will bring Roland Martin Unfiltered to Las Vegas. No problem. We'll make it happen. We've got a lot of your fans out here in Las Vegas, so I'm sure we'd love to see you. As you indicated, President Biden will be signing
Starting point is 00:33:57 the bipartisan infrastructure bill this Monday. And I want to give a special recognition to my chairwoman, Joyce Beatty, and the Congressional Black Caucus, who played a really instrumental role last Friday in order to break the logjam and to get the vote on both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and to be able to move the bill back better forward and for this opportunity to talk about what both of these bills together do for Black America. The bipartisan infrastructure bill is a historic investment in not only roads and bridges and highways, which historically have divided our Black communities. This bill provides a historic amount of money to go in and to remediate the divisions that have occurred in some of those highway projects over time. It has a historic amount of money for public transit, for broadband, so that every American has access to the internet. And we are finally going to address the lead in pipes issue, which disproportionately affects the black community. So these are just a few of the
Starting point is 00:35:12 things that the bipartisan infrastructure bill will do, in addition to the millions of jobs that it will create, particularly in the black community. But how do we ensure that black folks will get those jobs? How do we ensure that it will be African-American contractors, African-Americans with businesses who are going to get those jobs as well? So you must have been in our last congressional black caucus meeting because we talked about this very subject and chairwoman Maxine Waters of the financial services committee and other leaders in the congressional black caucus also have talked about how we will working with each of our governors our state departments of transportation localors, require that a certain percentage of these investments touch the communities.
Starting point is 00:36:09 There is language in the legislation that requires the allocation based on an equity-based formula, and it also ensures that the jobs and the contracting opportunities are provided to all communities, including the Black communities. In the Build Back Better, there's more than $20 billion for workforce development training. And Chairman Bobby Scott has worked to make sure that those dollars flow to the communities that have been disproportionately impacted during the pandemic and this recession, and that will include the black community. So monitoring is a huge part of that. And so if the money is going to the states, how is the monitoring aspect built in? Are you, again, you know, what must be the reporting requirements
Starting point is 00:37:07 to ensure that the resources are going to communities who are unrepresented? Because, look, we've talked about this beforehand. You know, one of the issues, you know, that we have, even when we dealt with census money, when we dealt with COVID money, what Black-owned media wasn't getting, what Black vendors were not getting. And so, you know, what's the monitoring process, the reporting process? Well, we are continuing to work with Secretary Buttigieg of the Transportation Department, as well as the heads of civil rights and the equity division within transportation on the oversight provisions and the accountability so that we don't leave any community and any person behind,
Starting point is 00:37:54 particularly the black community. And as we work on the Build Back Better Act, which is the second portion, not just the physical infrastructure, but the human infrastructure, it's also putting in place a number of the key equity provisions that I've worked on as a member of the Ways and Means Committee to make sure that those dollars flow to Black contractors, to the Black community, to nonprofit organizations, as well as to individuals seeking employment. The Build Back Better plan, for just
Starting point is 00:38:26 a moment, is also a historic investment. It's about $1.75 trillion that will help lift about 50 percent of Black children out of poverty with the child tax credit, which is actually a tax cut for the majority of Americans. In my district, it's about 92 percent of children who are benefiting from that child tax credit. And that is something that the Black Caucus worked to make sure got extended. It also includes a bill, Roland, that I sponsored, along with several of my colleagues, the Break the Cycle of Violence Bill. It's $5 billion to disrupt community gun violence by investing in proven community-based interventions that work. Black men, we're about 6 percent of the U.S. population, but sadly account for about 50 percent of the gun homicides. And so that portion of the break the cycle of violence is included in the Build Back Better Act. And I'm really excited that we're going to be able to make a historic investment into Black communities to disrupt
Starting point is 00:39:39 gun violence. And lastly, we have historic investments in lowering prescription drugs and health care costs and investment in clean energy, everything from clean water to clean energy that's going to create millions of jobs that our community will be able to participate in while we reduce energy costs for consumers. One of the things that would happen is when these bills get passed down into law, people don't know. They don't know what's in them. They don't know how to access it. And so what are y'all telling, frankly, the White House? What are you telling this federal government if they're going to have to do to let people know? Because unfortunately, we know insiders, they are already lining up.
Starting point is 00:40:29 We know the construction companies and others are lining up to try to get these billions of dollars. And so what about that as well, the outreach to get the information to the people so they know that the money is there and how they can access it? So the Congressional Black Caucus is already organizing a number of what we call town hall events in each of our districts. As you know, Roland, we have now 58 members now with Chantel Brown being sworn into office. It's our 50th anniversary. And we represent more than 17 million black constituents across the country, in addition to everyone else that we represent. And so we are literally taking the provisions of these bills to our constituents, to our districts, to our community,
Starting point is 00:41:18 and promoting how people will be able to access the jobs, the contracts, and the investments. Again, you know, we've got a long way to go to make sure that we get the second portion of that Build Back Better passed. And I want everyone who's watching to continue to reach out, to talk to your senators in particular, so that they support that measure as it moves out of the House and into the Senate, because we need their help and their votes to get it across the finish line. We're also continuing to push on voting rights, on the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, because we know that those are important priorities for the Black community and for the Congressional Black Caucus as well.
Starting point is 00:42:08 All right. Congressman Stephen Horsford of Nevada, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Thank you, Roland. All right. Let me start with the alpha amongst us, Greg Carr. Greg, the point making there, when we talk about this $1.2 trillion, sorry to Mario, membership has its privileges. When you talk about that $1.2 trillion, again, what often happens is we don't know about it until it's too late. And all of a sudden, the money's all gone. This White House, this Congress, they are going to have to make a concerted effort so people know to ensure that those unrepresented are getting access to the
Starting point is 00:42:51 dollars. And sure, President Biden, he's signing the bill into law, this infrastructure bill, on Monday. Okay? When Vice President Kamala Harris comes back from France, guess what? Biden and Harris need to be on the road. Every captain member. And here's the deal. Don't go to just blue suburbs. Go to the brokest, reddest, whitest, MAGA-loving places and say, yeah, y'all broke. Your bridges are jacked up. Your health care is jacked up. Your water is jacked up. We pass this stuff for you. That was the I kept saying that was the biggest. And I told Obama to his face. I told Valerie Jarrett that I said, y'all got to go to the belly of the beast and let them know we made this possible.
Starting point is 00:43:39 And the folk y'all keep voting for voted against it. And this actually can help you. I wish they would have listened to you, Roland. We saw the former president of the United States, who often finds his most courageous moments when he is completely powerless to act, in Scotland, wagging his finger at the leaders of the world on climate change, and President Obama, again, a day late and a mint short, in a fantasy world, sure, they would fly right to Richmond or take the train, Amtrak, right to Richmond, Virginia, and start there. Now that they've inducted a white nationalist governor
Starting point is 00:44:16 and say, we dare you, Mr. Governor-elect, to block this money that's coming to the citizens of Virginia and all you toothless hillbillies that ran out there screaming CR Tay and voted for this white nationalist. You're about to receive an infusion of funding for everything from the child tax credit
Starting point is 00:44:34 to improved access to health care. That is if he doesn't block it. Not only would they not go to the blue areas, I'd go to the blood red areas and wage a complete and utter political war. But they're not going to do that. Hell, they won't even go mess with that cosplay coal mining coal baron sitting in West Virginia trying to become the state's first billionaire. They scared of Joe Manchin. So,
Starting point is 00:44:55 no, they're not going to do it. But, you know, when we think of the fact, in fact, the South should be their targeted place. Three out of every four students that goes to an HBCU is Pell Grant eligible. There are billions of dollars in this bill for Pell Grant students. And 40% of the students who were enrolled in undergraduate school in the country are Pell Grant eligible.
Starting point is 00:45:19 I'd go to Georgia. I'd go to Mississippi. Be like Sherman. March a blazing path through the South. And then finally, and Steve Horford knows this, our frat brother, as we know. Steve knows this, Brother Horford, Representative Horford. His fourth congressional district in Nevada is this 40-some percent white. But there's a plurality of black and Spanish-speaking voters.
Starting point is 00:45:41 And all the Spanish-speaking voters aren't so-called Hispanic. There are others as well. And you have got Native Americans out there. Look at the expansion of health care benefits. Look at the expansion of everything from rural partnership programs for these indigenous communities, where they're finally going to get electrified and get service out there and broadband service. I would go in the most I would go to West Texas, I would go to El Paso. I would blaze a trail through Nevada, Iowa, Idaho, not to neglect all these places where people did vote for the people who passed this,
Starting point is 00:46:12 but go to those other places, too, and dare them, posterize them, because, as they say in Game of Thrones, winter is coming, 2022 is coming. They're going to eat the Democrats' lunch, the white nationalist party. So they better be doing something now. You know, Reesey, you've already got Senator Mitch McConnell
Starting point is 00:46:33 calling it a godsend, this bill. Guess what? Send Harris to his hometown and stand there and say, Kentucky, thank the Democrats for making this thing possible. See, I believe in hand-to-hand combat, Recy. We know you believe in it as well.
Starting point is 00:46:52 I believe in being in somebody's face. I'm talking about go to the hometown of, go to Florida and sit here and say to Scott and say to Marco Rubio, this is what we're bringing. And then go to their precinct where they vote and hold an event. Do the same thing in South Carolina to Tim Scott. I would sit here and target all these fools. And I would sit here and look them in the eye and say, and I would sit here and target all these fools, and I would sit here and look them in the eye and say, and I would stand, in fact, I would be so brazen, Reesey, I would go to something that's tore and run down in Alabama and Mississippi and Tennessee and Arkansas,
Starting point is 00:47:38 and I would say, the money we pass is going to rebuild this bridge. It's going to rebuild this bridge. It's going to rebuild this here. And then I would then sweep on over to Texas and Oklahoma and Nebraska and do the same thing. This is how Democrats have got to respond and then say, I dare y'all call this communism. That's right. I agree. And, you know, I think that we will see a bigger blanketing of the country from Democrats. But to your point, are they going to go in these super red areas? I think perhaps Secretary Pete would. But I haven't seen as much of that from, you know, the other star players, obviously, Vice President Kamala Harris. She did travel quite extensively.
Starting point is 00:48:24 She traveled to Las Vegas. She traveled to the Bronx, New Jersey, several places. These are blue, heavily blue areas. But you cannot also neglect your base. You had Secretary Fudge and EPA Administrator Reagan, who were also touring Flint and Michigan and areas like that, Detroit. And so I think that they could always do more in terms of really selling the package. And I think that, you know, even when Vice President Kamala Harris is out there, people say you want to see her and then people don't really cover it. But I still think that she will definitely be out there really selling this bill. But the one point I wanted to make, though, was I think that the administration and the Democrats have to be very careful to make sure that they are being consistent and relentless in messaging what this bill is about.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Congressman Hosford mentioned his $5 billion gun violence plan, which I think sounds amazing. But I saw immediately on social media people, you know, picking that up and saying, oh, you're telling me that money for the police is for black people. And that's not what the bill is suggesting at all. It's for community based violence prevention programs. So there are certain ways where Democrats do stuff that's positive that gets spinned or spun into something that's negative. So I hope that if I would have been able to ask him a question, I would have said, can you clarify that point? I didn't see police mentioned at all in the bipartisan infrastructure bill, except for to define, you know, climate change type of things, but certainly not for additional funding. So I want them to be very disciplined with their messaging, very consistent, blanketing it, people being on the same accord and getting out there.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Congress people need to be in their districts. The cabinet officials need to be out. Everybody needs to be out selling it. And they still got to finish the job with the Build Back Better plan. I'm trying to tell you, DeMario, you got to get in that face. And you have to use real life examples. You're talking about the electric grid. You're talking about bridges. You're talking about the electric grid. You're talking about bridges.
Starting point is 00:50:27 You're talking about ports. You're talking about all types of infrastructure. And again, what you do is you go to something that's broken down and they've been trying to get funded in Oklahoma. And you stand there and you say, I dare any Republican to convince me that fixing this bridge is communism. See, that's
Starting point is 00:50:50 what you have to do. And then you sit here and you tell the people in the community and they likely voted red. And you say, we passed this bill to ensure that y'all are able to be able to cross this path. Joe Madison says all the time, you got to put it where the goats can get it.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Stop calling it the $1.2 trillion plan. No, no, no, no. You got to say, we're going to fix this for $5 million and this for $10 million and this for $20 million, and this is going to help you all get to school on time, and this is going to help you cut your commuting time to time. And this is going to help you cut your commuting time to work. And this is going to help you improve your water. That's how you got to sell this thing. You can't be all
Starting point is 00:51:31 cute and shit. You got to get down there and get into the mud and say, this is what we're doing. So in other words, they need to do like the bros Omegas are known to do and get right in the face of people. So, you know, Roland, you know you talking my language and that's what we you know that ain't the truth i want to say i want to be real clear that who is the highest ranking black person in congress what fraternity is he in
Starting point is 00:51:54 oh okay he's an omega jim cliburn okay no no hold up hold up i'm gonna let you finish no i'm gonna let you finish your story i'm gonna let you finish your story. I'm going to let you finish your story. But actually, the highest ranking black person in Congress is the one who oversees the United States Senate, and that's Vice President Kamala Harris, who's an AKM. She's not in Congress. See, what you should have defined. She's not in Congress. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:52:19 She's elected. DeMario, I want you to read the Constitution. Who is leader of the United States Senate? Who breaks ties? She is the leader of the United States Senate. DeMario, you did not do well in government class. I'll wipe the floor with you. It's your show, so I'm going to let you do that.
Starting point is 00:52:42 I also want to give a lot of props to Representative Horsford and the CBC, because they actually came to Tulsa, and Representative Beatty and the CBC came to Tulsa, want to give big props to the CBC for what they're doing. And this bill is something we've been monitoring because we've talked to the secretary of HUD, Representative Fudge. We've listened to Pete Buttigieg talk about this money that's in this bill to get rid of these type of highways like we have in Tulsa with I-244. And there's billions of dollars in there, and there's some earmarked money for black organizations. And the monitoring, Roland, that you talked about is so important, because we know that in the counties like Tulsa County and the city of Tulsa, down there where the Arbery trial is happening, these counties are still controlled by racist, conservative white people who do not want those funds, those dollars going into black contractors, black businesses, black organizations.
Starting point is 00:53:50 You talked about the COVID funding that has black businesses and black organizations been shut out. So, in this particular bill, we're looking forward to this opportunity to access this money to get rid of these boundaries and these barriers, like these highways that were put through black communities, that destroyed black black communities that continue to keep us segregated from other parts of town. So that is something that is important in this particular bill. And Roland, this is why your show is so important, because you're calling people on the carpet to make sure we understand what we need to do. And what we need to do is be at these city hall meetings,
Starting point is 00:54:22 be at these county meetings, make sure we access professionals within the city to say, hey, let me retain you to make sure we understand what's happening, to make sure we're getting our percentage of this big pie. This is a once-in-a-lifetime generational deal, and we want to make sure that Black organizations and Black people benefit from this completely. And as far as your hand-to-hand combat discussion, I totally agree. The problem is, I don't think the Democrats are going to be strong enough that we need them to do.
Starting point is 00:54:52 And in places where I am in Oklahoma, these people love their guns, they love their Bibles, they hate black people, and they hate abortion. If you talk about those things, they almost don't care about health, they almost don't care about bridges, they almost don't care about education. But you still got to bring the fight to them, like you talk about those things, they almost don't care about health, they almost don't care about bridges, they almost don't care about education, but you still got to bring the fight to them like you said.
Starting point is 00:55:11 It has to happen. It has to happen. And I'm telling you. And for all, and let me just be real clear right now, and I'm sure Recy wants to have a final word after I say this. All you punk asses out there who keep tweeting and posting,
Starting point is 00:55:31 this ain't going to do nothing specific for black people, did y'all just hear what DeMario said? You've got to demand the request to say, fix this. Repair this, fix this. Nobody is going to walk up to your house and hand your ass a check. You've got to mobilize and organize. And the reason I understand that, because my mama and daddy worked with the Clinton Park Civic Club when I was in Houston, the neighborhood where I grew up in, one of the first master plan communities for black people by HUD in the 1940s. My grandparents migrated from
Starting point is 00:56:12 Louisiana and to that particular neighborhood. And when I grew up there, my parents sat there and said, we need new streets. We need new sewer system. We need to park improve. Let's convert the old fire station to a senior citizen center They petition the government to do it City Hall County government state legislature So this is one point two trillion dollars is about to be spent all across of America So if all you punk asses sitting at home right now watching and whining, what you should be doing is aligning with organizations and going to request the money. And so if you running around hollering you B1 or ADOS or FBA and y'all whining about the boule, and guess what? The boule should be mobilizing and organizing the alphas, the omegas, the kappas, the deltas, the iotas, the sigma gamma rose,
Starting point is 00:57:09 the AKAs, Zetas, the Lynx, the Eastern Star, the Prince Hall Masons, men's groups, women's groups, all of these groups should be doing that. That is taxpayer money that is about to be spent, and it would be stupid for us to be sitting at home, bitching on Twitter and YouTube chat room and Facebook and Instagram and not getting the money. In the words, Recy, of Frank Lucas and American Gangsta, I'm going to get that money.
Starting point is 00:57:40 Get that money. Absolutely. And the only thing I can add to that is, did you fill out your damn census? Because this is exactly what the census does. It allocates money based on populations and different things like that. So if you ain't filled out your census, then you can shut the entire hell up. Roland, if I could just say one other thing. There are several legal opportunities here.
Starting point is 00:58:08 Several legal opportunities here. So people in your whatever city, contact these big law firms who all sign these pledges to work on racial justice issues and say, we need your help here. This is what we need help with. Organize with your community block clubs and go to those law firms. Yes. All right, folks. Got to go to a break. We come back. We're going to talk about a bill that Congressman Jim Clyburn is pushing to get, frankly, dealing with the issue of GIs who do not benefit from the GI Bill due to Jim Crow.
Starting point is 00:58:39 We'll tell you about that bill. Today, of course, is Veterans Day. And we'll talk about this story from the insider that says that DNC chair Jamie Harrison is in a battle with white folks in the White House for control of the Democratic National Committee. We'll unpack that next on Roland Martin Unfiltered, broadcasting live from Los Angeles, right here on the Black Star Network. Don't forget, download the app, folks. Download that app. We we want to hit 50 000 downloads by the end of december every platform apple phone android phone apple tv android tv roku amazon fire stick xbox as well as samsung tv and everybody who gives during the show to support our brina funk fan club where
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Starting point is 01:01:56 Hi, I'm Eric Nolan. I'm Shantae Moore. Hi, my name is Latoya Luckett, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Today's Black and Missing is Sydney Palmer, who vanished from Dallas, Texas on September 8th, 2021. Sydney is 26 years old. She's five feet tall, weighs about 100 pounds. She has short, multicolored pink hair, brown eyes, and some facial piercings. She has multiple tattoos, beautiful on the left side of her breast, a pink bow on her forearm, a heart on her neck, a cheetah print on her right shoulder. Anyone with information
Starting point is 01:02:52 regarding Sidney Palmer's whereabouts should call the Dallas Police Department at 214-671-4268, 214-671-4268. Folks, McDonald's CEO Chris Kempzinski is on the file for a text message that was sent to Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot that critics are calling racist. The text referred to two children, Adam Toledo and Jocelyn Adams, who were shot and killed in the Windy City. He wrote this to the mayor. P.S. Tragic shootings last week, both at our restaurant yesterday and with Adam Toledo. With both, the parents failed those kids, which I know is something you can't say even harder to fix.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Critics have jumped on him, some demanding that he actually resign as president and CEO. Congressman Bobby Rush of Chicago issued this statement, I'm utterly horrified by Chris Kaczynski's text blaming the tragic shooting deaths of Chicago children, Jocelyn Adams and Adam Toledo on their parents. This is a deplorable message and one that is completely unacceptable for the CEO of a powerful multinational corporation, let alone a corporation that markets aggressively to communities of color
Starting point is 01:03:58 and publicly proclaims that Black Lives Matter to espouse. Sadly, McDonald's has a long history of racist behavior and discrimination, which ongoing legal action continues to reveal. McDonald's would not be the multinational corporation it is today if not for the black customer base that has long provided and continues to provide enormous profits. The black community deserves and demands far better responses and far better treatment from McDonald's and its top leaders.
Starting point is 01:04:22 As a member of Congress and a black man who has long fought against racism and discrimination, I joined with others in demanding that Chris Kaczynski be fired or stepped down immediately. Now, the CEO, he offered an apology after meeting at the company headquarters with a variety of internal groups. This is what he wrote to the McDonald's team. I recently learned that a text message exchange between me and the mayor of Chicago was made public. The text exchange took place after I had welcomed Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot to MHQ in April. That's McDonald headquarters. The preceding day, a shooting at a McDonald's drive-thru in Holman Square took the life of a 70-year-old Jocelyn Adams.
Starting point is 01:04:58 This tragedy came soon after 13-year-old Adam Toledo was finally shot by a police officer in Little Village. His horrible deaths were painful for Chicago and our McFamily, made more so by the fact that they were both just kids. In the text exchange, I thanked Mayor Lightfoot for the visit and reflected on our conversation about the recent tragedies, commenting that the parents failed those kids. When I wrote this, I was thinking through my lens as a parent and reacted viscerally, but I have not walked in the shoes of Adams or Jocelyn's family and so many others who are facing a very different reality. Not taking
Starting point is 01:05:36 the time to think about this from their viewpoint was wrong and lacked the empathy and compassion I feel for these families. This is a lesson that I will carry with me. As we think about the challenges facing our communities and the senseless surge in gun violence that is affecting so many children, it is also clear to me that everyone has a role to play. We're a Chicago company, born and raised. There is so much about our city to make us proud. That doesn't negate that there is also much that needs to be addressed to ensure our best days are ahead of us.
Starting point is 01:06:05 And I can't think of a more urgent priority than ensuring these tragedies come to an end. Quite simply, it is on all of us to do better for the children of our communities. I am committed to working with civic leaders and elected officials to understand what that means for McDonald's. And I'll be asking all of you to join me in this pursuit. Now, Byron Allen, of course, media owner, has taken out several full-page ads condemning the text from Kim Zemsky, demanding that he also apologize. It took him out in the Chicago newspaper. This, of course, follows a $10 billion lawsuit, and he has filed against McDonald's for lack of advertising.
Starting point is 01:06:41 Folks, let's talk about politics. Earlier, we were talking about what Democrats should be doing when it comes to their messaging and driving it to the public. Well, now there's some potential drama. The Insider reported that DNC Chair Jamie Harrison is battling many of his own aides who were placed in the Democratic National Committee by President Joe Biden. In this particular story, it lays out in detail the kind of battle that's been going on when it comes to spending of money, when it comes to messaging, when it comes to all sorts of different things. I want to go to our panel now. This right here
Starting point is 01:07:19 speaks volumes because Democrats, of course, are very upset recently by what took place in Virginia. Of course, Harrison, it was big news when he was named DNC chair. And so you always have this battle because whoever controls the White House, they run the party. Trump, when he was there, he controlled and ran the Republican National Committee. Biden is president. He controls the DNC. But the reality is this here. The party apparatus is made up of 50 states. And so if you want to win, it can't everything can't be run out of D.C. Reading this story that lays out any number of things.
Starting point is 01:07:56 This is what they say, according to folks who were interviewed off the record. Go to my iPad, please. It says that Jamie Harrison is being locked out of staffing and operational decisions. Also, the conflict between Harrison is with Sam Cornell and Mary Beth Cahill, who is deputy White House chief of staff, who used to be CEO of the DNC. And then they say Harrison loyalists say he needs more latitude so the party can get back on track. A pretty damning story. Yes, it's inside baseball. But it also reminds me of the battles that Michael Steele had with the Republican National Committee when he was the chair. Yeah, I mean, you know, did they put Jamie Harrison in place so that he can win? Or did they put him in place so that he can dunk on people on Twitter with these very, you know, clever tweets that he does and dragging people, like, hey, I'd do that,
Starting point is 01:08:49 but I'm not going to be the DNC chair. So, you know, it's interesting how they put Black people in these places and they don't really set them up to succeed. We know that the Democratic Party, I say this all the time, still has a white is right problem. And that's why you have the people who are actually making staffing and financial decisions are the white folks still running the ship. Mary Beth Cahill was John Kerry's campaign manager for his presidential campaign. He lost.
Starting point is 01:09:16 So why the hell you have her running shit? I don't understand the concept of having losers running stuff, even though Jamie Harrison lost his race. So, you know, you could say the same thing about him. But that was in South Carolina. John Kerry should have won that race against a deeply unpopular president. And so it just goes to show
Starting point is 01:09:33 how they set up Black people to fail, but to still be the figurehead so that they can say, look, we tried it with a Black person, didn't work out, now let's go back to our white, you know, way of doing things. They need to give Jamie Harrison
Starting point is 01:09:44 the opportunity to make his own staffing decisions like Tom Perez did. I'm sure I didn't hear any about this stuff when Tom Perez was in charge and let him sink or swim. And if you do, then you might actually get somewhere. I think that Jamie Harrison ran a pretty campaign aside from losing. And I think that he probably will bring a really fresh perspective to the party that's deeply needed. They need to get away from this white default mentality in terms of the candidates that they back, this white is right mentality, this chasing after the mythical Trump, you know, Obama Trump voter that's long gone. They need to really start focusing on the future of the party, which is the multiracial coalition across the country.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Demario, this is what this story says. Go to my iPad. They've taken this African-American candidate and tokenized him. One of the people familiar with Harrison's frustrations with the DNC told Insider, they put him out as the figurehead of the party, but haven't actually given any ability to shape its future. At a point where we are coming off this election now, and they've gone to try to pivot towards 2022, instead of empowering him, they've completely disempowered him. Now, in this article, he did give an interview. He disagreed with these various assessments.
Starting point is 01:11:00 I know how these stories go. I understand why Jamie has to say that publicly, but stories like this don't get written, frankly, if it's not true. You know, Roland, I've seen this so many times. It really reminds me of a lesson I learned when I was playing football at the University of Oklahoma. My head coach, John Blake, rest in peace, was the first African-American head coach at the University of Oklahoma. A young assistant coming from the Dallas Cowboys, coming off two Super Bowl wins, an OU alumni. When they brought him in, and I'm his in-law, he's an in-law of mine, so I know the back story. When they brought him in, they said, you know, we're going to hire you to be the head coach and let you be the face of this,
Starting point is 01:11:39 but we're going to reserve the right to hire your offensive and defensive coordinator. Anybody know anything about football or sports in general, the offense, you need to bring in your own people because you need to have people that's on your team that feel the same way you do, believe in your philosophy, what defense offense you want to run. Obviously, that didn't work out. Within three years, Coach Blake
Starting point is 01:11:57 was fired, and everybody knows the rest of the story with Coach Stoops. My point is it sounds like that Mr. Harrison's in the very same scenario. And the only thing you can do in that situation is resign. Have respect for yourself, integrity for yourself, and say, look, this is not the job I signed up for. I'm not going to be the face of this when things go bad. You can point at me, but I have no power. My grandmother told me a long time ago, don't worry about status, get the power. Having the power without
Starting point is 01:12:25 the status is okay. You can last a lifetime. Having a status without the power is a recipe to be set up and be flushed down the toilet soon as things go wrong. On that particular point there, Greg, I'm going back to the insider story. This is what it says. Another friction point came weeks ago when the DNC approved a slate of new party delegates who will have a critical role in all manner of democratic decision making. Harrison had submitted a list of names to the White House to fill 75 at-large appointments, but the White House rejected nearly every name he wanted, according to two people familiar with the interaction. The point that DeMario said makes there is very clear. Status means nothing if you do not have the power to create change. And we
Starting point is 01:13:12 also know when it comes to things like the DNC, having power also means controlling the money. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And I hope, I know you're on a tight ship producing. I hope you might spend another second scrolling down. I caught that first two lines on Virginia and find it of great interest, considering that. Yeah, there's a recent episode that played out when they claimed that. Here's what it says right here. When Harrison hit the trail in Virginia, he needed a driver and staffers. He has spent months marshalling party support for what was supposed to be Terry McCullough's victory against the GOP candidate, but when he arrived in the Old Dominion for the final week of the crucial off-year gubernatorial race, he had to borrow a low-level staffer from an outside Democratic group, three people familiar
Starting point is 01:13:57 with the incident told Insider. The DNC declined to book the driver a hotel room, a room in Harrison's Hotel, forcing the staffer to drive some two hours each way to pick him up. Wow. Yeah, DeMar, I have to agree with you, brother. I mean, at some point, you have to have some self-respect. But one of the reasons I think that Jamie Harrison was picked was that he was thoroughly vetted. They know Jamie Harrison ain't going to bite that hand. Jamie Harrison is a faithful party soldier, just like those Democrats in Virginia that didn't stand up when Justin Fairfax was screaming, please, I want this
Starting point is 01:14:36 investigation to go on, and asked two black women prosecutors in Boston and Durham to pursue this, and effectively cut the throat of somebody and stood with that soft white, blackface-wearing nationalist Ralph Northern and that Attorney General Herron, and basically gave the state to the white nationalist party two-and-a-half years ago. Jamie Harrison has been vetted. He ain't going to bite the hand. He's going to salute the soft white nationalist and the Democratic Party and that machine in the White House, and they're going to go down, and we're all going to suffer. The Democratic Party seems hell-bent on destroying whatever even nominal resistance there is in this country to white nationalists.
Starting point is 01:15:14 Now, the simple fact of the matter is that when we look at the history of the Democratic Party, we understand that, wasn't it Ron Brown? Ron Brown was the first DNC chair, black DNC chair, wasn't he? I'm trying to remember. Yep, yep, he was first. Right, and if we remember how he got to be the chair, it wasn't because they wanted to do it. Jesse Jackson in 84 and 88 had basically blown up the party and they were going to have a brokered convention
Starting point is 01:15:39 in 88 in Atlanta. I remember because we were in law school. We was going to go down there. We was like, we're just going to tear this motherfucker up. Let's go. And in the week before the convention, when they nominated that stooge Dukakis, Jesse released his delegates
Starting point is 01:15:53 to support Dukakis in exchange for getting all those seats. Joe Louis' son got one. His son got one. But Ron Brown was made the chair of the party. And that was the person who basically was the architect of the victory of Bill Clinton in the next election cycle, even though he only won with a plurality of votes. Why am I bringing up? That was probably the last successful DNC chair.
Starting point is 01:16:16 No shade on Donna Brazile running Al Gore's campaign, who basically lowered the flag and conceded in Florida when they decided not to fight like they should fight. These white boys are not built for war. And the only time that any political party in this country has served the interests of black people is when we have turned our backs on them and waged a war. Now, I'll say that to say this. Jamie Harrison was a safe pick. He knew what it was when he's in there.
Starting point is 01:16:43 And he's a little frustrated now because as they fail, as they will likely fail in 2022 and 2024, and then we got to go to some kind of damn guerrilla warfare as this thing disintegrates, they're going to stick his cherub face on the failure and say, see, you Negroes did it again. But if they had just let him do everything he
Starting point is 01:16:59 wanted to do, he's not going to come outside the lines as Justin Fairfax. Bottom line here, folks, this is real simple. That is, when we talk about power, we talk about control, we talk about you have to actually put your foot
Starting point is 01:17:17 down and take a stand. I'm quite sure that one of the areas where Jamie Harrison is ruffling some feathers just like Michael Steele did, is who are the vendors. He probably wants more black vendors doing things in there. And so this is also where, and let me say this. Yeah, go ahead. I just want to say the Democratic Party, the DNC, has raised over $100 million to date.
Starting point is 01:17:42 And y'all can't even give Jamie Harrison a driver and put his person up in a hotel room, that's why I said quit begging us for some damn money, because y'all ain't even spending it right. But it just goes to show the level of contempt that they have for him, that he's not even afforded the basic necessities or benefits that any other Democratic National Convention chair would be afforded. That's actually really disgraceful and insulting. And it really shows. I'll tell you right now, point blank. I publicly said to Jamie, fire the entire DNC media team because they damn sure don't know how to create viral videos or know how to drive messaging.
Starting point is 01:18:23 I mean, so there's a fundamental problem there. And so, again, if you read the story, Jamie has denied a lot of those different things. He gave an on-the-record interview. Yeah, we know he had to do that, but the bottom line is this here. This article was a shot across the bow. And so I dare say, and here's the other deal. Who is Jamie Harris' greatest benefactor? Congressman Jim Clyburn of South Carolina. who is jamie harris's greatest benefactor congressman jim cliburn of south carolina
Starting point is 01:18:45 uh i but so congressman cliburn that's what one of those things where remember joe biden ain't in there without you that's why you make a phone call and say joe get this shit straight or we're gonna have a problem see to me this is not a long conversation. And I know, and again, I said earlier, hand-to-hand combat. See, hand-to-hand combat, y'all, ain't always with your enemy. Sometimes it's with your allies. Come on. That's right. I mean, this is politics, and politics is about who gets what, when, where, and how.
Starting point is 01:19:22 It's about the allocation of resources. It's not about showing up at the Sunday school and saying we love you. How are you going to slice the pie? And you're right. Representative Clyburn, my frat brother, he said that Joe Biden would remember us, right? That's what he said. Well, he's not remembering Jamie Harrison, and Jamie Harrison is analogous to us as a people. The lack of disrespect that Reesey was talking about, they wouldn't even give him a driver because that's how they see us as a dispendable.
Starting point is 01:19:50 We don't need to do those things for black people. Bottom line is this here. If you're going to swing, swing, and you might have to hit folk who you like. And so I did reach out to Jim Clyburn. He's traveling today. And so I want to have him on to talk about the story we're going to discuss next after this break, and that is trying to restore some of the racial inequities with the GI Bill. I did reach out to Jamie Harrison as well.
Starting point is 01:20:16 They tried to get him on the show. Anyway, the talk about what's next for the Democrats, so hopefully we'll make that happen as well. Got to go to break, pay some bills. First of all, let me thank Amazon, Nissan, and Buick for being partners with us here at Roland Martin Unfiltered. We appreciate those who spend money with black-owned media because, as black folks, we buy their products as well. And so got to go to break. We come back on the flip side. We'll talk about on this Veterans Day, this bill from Congressman Clyburn dealing with the GI Bill and Jim Crow.
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Starting point is 01:22:46 I'm Coco. And I'm Lili. And we're SWB. What's up, y'all? It's Ryan Destiny. And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. A recent fatal shooting involving a Chicago cop had with a history of violence has a black family asking, why is this man still on the job?
Starting point is 01:23:10 Alberto Covarrubias shot and killed Michael Craig after he called 911 for assistance last month. Craig called and said his wife had a knife to his neck. When the officer entered the scene, he pulled out his taser and gun, instantly shooting. Now, folks, this is the video you're seeing, and so it is very graphic as well. This is the body cam footage. The officer has a history of domestic violence and alcoholism. In 2016, Kovarubias was arrested for a domestic violence incident and accused of tampering with official paperwork. He appeared to be drunk and refused a breathalyzer. He was later charged with assaulting an officer. Now, the superintendent of Chicago police at the time recommended he get fired.
Starting point is 01:23:50 He was suspended for three months in underwent treatment for alcoholism. A psychologist cleared him to return to work. Now, same city. Remember the black social worker, Anjanette Young, whose house was wrongfully raided while she laid in the bed naked? Well, here's an update. The sergeant who oversaw the 2019 botched raid is now facing termination. So Sergeant Alex Walensky violated eight different police department rules from discrediting the department to disrespecting a person and failing to intervene.
Starting point is 01:24:22 Young is now suing the Chicago Police Department. All right, let's go to Iowa, where a federal grand jury indicted former Iowa State Patrol officer Robert James Smith for violating motorcyclist Bryce Yakish's civil rights during a 2017 traffic stop. Charges against Yakish were dropped. Smith retired and went on to work for a different police agency where he was accused of excessive force there. If convicted, Smith faces 10 years in prison. Earlier, Iowa agreed to pay Yakish $225,000 to settle his case. When we come back on Roland Martin Unfiltered, GI Bill, racial inequity. How is it that we have not done right by those black soldiers who fought for this country during World War II? A new bill from members of Congress, Jim Clyburn and Seth Mouton, could fix that.
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Starting point is 01:26:39 I want some hood girls looking back at it and a good girl in my text break. Now, her hairdressing empire is killing it. And the prince, well, who cares? Crime changes everything. Hey, I'm Donnie Simpson. What's up? I'm Lance Gross, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. All right, folks. So today is Veterans Day here in the United States. And we think about how America treated its veterans.
Starting point is 01:27:14 It has not always been good, especially its black veterans. Congressman Jim Clyburn, as well as Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, they want to fix a particular issue. This is the Philadelphia Inquirer, and they're reviving, this is what the lead says, reviving an effort to pay the families of black service members who fought on behalf of the nation during World War II for benefits they were denied or prevented from taking full advantage of when they returned home from the war. They would give benefits to surviving spouses
Starting point is 01:27:46 and all living descendants of black World War II veterans whose families were denied the opportunity to build wealth with housing and educational benefits through the GI Bill. Now, people don't understand this here. I want to go to Greg first on this, because there was a book that was done, Greg, called When Affirmative Action Was White. I think it was Ira Katzenbach. I think it was. And that was.
Starting point is 01:28:13 That's right. Huh? That's right. Ira Katzenbach. Yes. What he laid out, and I think that was even a documentary. It was on PBS. What he laid out in and I think that was even a documentary on PBS, what he laid out in this book is that the GI Bill was the greatest affirmative action plan in the history of America, probably second to the Homestead Act, where millions of land was given out to white folks, and how white America, they benefited as a result from that, being able to go to college, being able to buy houses, being able to get low-interest lines of credit and loans as well. Explain to people who don't understand what the GI Bill after World War II
Starting point is 01:28:57 meant to white America and how black folks were frozen out of that economic opportunity. Yes, sir, and we're all in our heads vociferously. So we all I think we all understand, in fact, we may have all benefited directly or indirectly from the GI Bill. I mean, it's very important to understand. And you're absolutely right. In fact, that's an excellent that should be probably a selection for Roland's book club, Ira Katznelson's How Affirming of Action Was White, and his follow-up book, Fear Itself, which talks about those New Deal programs and how racism didn't completely shut black folk out, but certainly so severely crippled black folk who should have benefited that it really set the stage for the economy and the structure we have today.
Starting point is 01:29:43 And it's very simple. When you have access to capital, like all those veterans were supposed to have in theory, and you exclude black people, white soldiers got low mortgage guaranteed loans to go and purchase their first homes where you build wealth. They also got to go to school on the GI Bill, university education, and it basically built the middle class in the United States of America in the 1950s and 60s. It built and expanded the middle class. Now, those same soldiers, many of them, used those guaranteed mortgages to purchase homes in racist neighborhoods, including newly built places like in Pennsylvania, where they had completely segregated new houses that you
Starting point is 01:30:26 could use your GI loan to build. Now, that's important when we look at what's going on now with this bill proposed by Clyburn and Moulton. And I think today, maybe it wasn't today, but Senator Warnock is supposed to be introducing companion legislation in the Senate. So let me just bring it home directly. Senator Warnock is supposed to be introducing companion legislation in the Senate. So, let me just bring it home directly. My father, Haywood Carr,
Starting point is 01:30:50 was a World War II veteran. He and three of his brothers were drafted out of East Tennessee. Footnote, all y'all think that's saving private Ryan bullshit where you can't have all the boys in the family come, you better go check World War II. But at any rate, they were all World War II veterans. Now, he's an
Starting point is 01:31:06 ancestor, but my mother, who's down there in Houston, will be 95 her next birthday, and I, my brother and sister, are direct descendants. This bill passes. That loan guarantee applies to me, too. And you can use the GI Bill to get that
Starting point is 01:31:22 guaranteed federal loan to purchase a home as many times as you want. Do you understand what that would do for people? If you had a relative, if your father or mother, well, the women's area, I guess you got the waves and the wax, but if you've got
Starting point is 01:31:38 a father who was in World War II, an active veteran, and you're a daughter or a son of a World War II veteran, you better be asking people to pass this bill. You better be calling Congress. Why? This could change your life in 2021. And of course, finally,
Starting point is 01:31:52 the GI Bill wasn't just about mortgages for homes. It wasn't just about education, which is extremely important. It extends to a number of other benefits, including car loans. I mean, it literally put the floor under the middle class in this country. And by shutting black people out, and I read the bill that was proposed last year and then died from non-action, went to committee and died. In that bill, they literally have to put the word black in to remedy the original legislation that was passed in 1944.
Starting point is 01:32:22 I mean, it's a very important bill. This isn't a minor thing. Again, Recy, you often get a lot of people who yell, holler, and scream at Congress, what's the CBC doing, when are they going to get reparations. Well, the reality is this is about affecting the people who were directly impacted. That's what this bill is. And so I wonder if, again, what did I say earlier, mobilize and organize. If you're out there and you've been yelling and howling and screaming about reparations, are you waiting on H.R. 40, what you should be doing is also saying pass this bill
Starting point is 01:33:11 because when you talk, this is not just the spouses. It's the spouses and the children. Right. That's a whole bunch of black mamas and daddies out there, which then means their children are going to be benefiting. You know, Roland, I'm looking down because there's been a commenter in your
Starting point is 01:33:32 Facebook feed that's been talking about ADOS 101 and reparations, and I haven't seen him pop up during this discussion. What happened? Where you at? Because this sounds a whole lot like reparations if you ask me. Oh, there he is. Okay. Well, you know, I think it's interesting to see how little people mobilize, people who are supposedly, you know, single-issue voters around the issue of reparations, around things like, but even in that case they're seeking reparations from the state of Oklahoma and other parties. You don't see the same energy behind that. This is an incredibly important bill that needs to see a lot of mobilization behind it.
Starting point is 01:34:14 We can't constantly say, what's the CBC doing? What's the Democratic Party doing? And then you don't put your energy behind something like this, that's very transformative. When you couple the way that Black people were systemically excluded and purposely excluded from the GI Bill with redlining, as Dr. Carr pointed out, how people were able to, white people were able to move into these racist neighborhoods, they were able to accumulate so much wealth, so much of the wealth gap actually comes from, um, from, um, from, from housing, from home ownership. And so there are so many layers of discrimination baked in. Not every single Black person is going to benefit,
Starting point is 01:34:53 obviously, from it, but as a whole, as a community, if we care about our community, then this is something that we should all be able to get behind unequivocally. And here's the deal. Here's the deal, DeMario. This is where you challenge Republicans. Oh, I thought y'all loved the military.
Starting point is 01:35:12 I thought you loved our veterans. Will you support it? Yes or no? Yeah, Roland, this is something that's very personal for me coming from a military family, going back to my four-time great-grandfather who served in the U.S. Seminole Wars in the 1800s, to my great-grandfather who was a World War I military veteran, to my father who was a Vietnam combat veteran. The reality, Roland, to what you're saying about telling people that you need to support this, listen, acknowledgement is not enough. We know what happened. We know that Brother Carr, Dr. Carr's family was shut out, and so many of my
Starting point is 01:35:49 great uncles and so many people were shut out. To acknowledge a wrong but not rectify it is the epitome of white supremacy. It is worse to not acknowledge if you're going to acknowledge and not rectify. So yes, this is something we should mobilize. But, Roland, I like what you said, more than mobilize, organize. Mobilization is great, but that's just a flare-up mentality. We have to be organized with sustained action. And this is a bill that's going to take sustained action to get, as Dr. Carr said, get to committee and then get out of committee, then get out of the House, then get passed through the Senate, and then actually get to the president's desk. That takes a lot of work. But in my personal experience with the CBC, they are accessible. In my personal experience with the people like Representative Sheila Jaxley and Congressman Horsford and Congresswoman Maxine Waters and
Starting point is 01:36:38 so many more, they will work with you. And this is an area that will benefit substantially hundreds of thousands of black people to have these type of tools and assets to create wealth. So I think it's an outstanding bill. It's something we're certainly going to help mobilize. It's also important to me because my client, Hughes Van Ellis, one of the three living survivors of the Tulsa Race Massacre, 100-plus years old, he is a World War II combat veteran, and he's dealing with this issue right to this day. And he and his children can definitely benefit. This is a bill that must pass, and we must put all our efforts behind it as an entire community. That's right.
Starting point is 01:37:15 Roland, can I just say- Folks, can I go to the break real quick? Yeah, go ahead, real quick. Can I just say real quick, of course, the person who's for reparations is against this bill. I just have to say that in your comments. So they don't keep the same energy when it comes to reparations, unless it's this this mythical reparations package that is nowhere near passing. Just wanted to point that out. And I didn't want to roll. I know you got to go to break. By the way, it's great to see these ads that only I only have eyes for you to flamingos. That's a hit, brother. I can listen
Starting point is 01:37:45 to that 15 times. But real quick, for the folks who don't know, the bill is named for Isaac Woodward and Joseph Maddox. It's the Isaac Woodward, Joseph Maddox GI Bill Restoration Act. Isaac Woodward was 26 years old when a bus driver on a Greyhound bus blinded him, beat his eyes blind in Batesburg, South Carolina. He was a veteran. It's one of the triggers that led Harry Truman to desegregate the Army. And Joseph Maddox got into Harvard. He was a veteran of World War II as well. Harvard wouldn't admit him because they said they didn't want to set a precedent. And he didn't get to use his GI Bill to go to school.
Starting point is 01:38:18 Now, anybody who's a CP and others raised money for him. But that's who the bill is named for. I just wanted to mention that in passing. All right, folks. Real quick break. We come back. Two disturbing stories dealing with black children. One out of Utah, one out of South Carolina.
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Starting point is 01:40:44 welcome back. In South Carolina, a 90-year-old was forced to clean a school bathroom with a toothbrush. Andrea Garrison, the principal of Jefferson Elementary School, allegedly handed out the punishment days after the student put too much toilet paper in a commode. The child's grandfather voiced his disdain at the Chesterfield County School District Board meeting. My blood, my granddaughter, nine year old child who cannot stand here before you like I have and have done before. Like the previous speakers. I agree with them wholeheartedly. But what has been done to my granddaughter, I am a broken man.
Starting point is 01:41:32 You didn't break her because I will not let her fall. But you have broken me. You have hurt me to my heart. what this administration or what your board have decided to do as far as this principle does not mean a thing to me if it's not the just thing. That's all that matters, the just thing. Now I will read my statement. I'm here before this panel and others to say something
Starting point is 01:42:02 that I never thought I would ever say. I surrender. I surrender. I surrender. To see how there are those that have no consideration other than their own and their own selfishness. A good friend of mine for years told me to make concern today just about my granddaughter and not about the wrong that has happened to or will happen to others. But I cannot do that. I cannot just stand here and speak for my granddaughter and not speak for other children or other people.
Starting point is 01:42:42 I cannot do that. I have to speak for us. I don't care where you come from or where you're going. I don't care if you're black, blue, green, yellow. I don't care. We all... Folks, it is not clear. It's not clear if any punishment is going to be meted out by the school district. Let's go to Utah, where a grieving mother blames a school district for failing to protect her black daughter from bullying, which led the 10-year-old to commit suicide. Brittany Titian or Cox says she had reached out to Davis School District several times to discuss how both classmates and her teacher were treating her daughter, Isabella.
Starting point is 01:43:19 She said her daughter was being taunted for being black and autistic. The family wants to know why the Utah School District repeatedly ignored her concerns about the bullying. Now check this out. Isabella's suicide comes weeks after the U.S. Department of Justice released a damning report of the Davis School District regarding discrimination in its schools. Investigators found that the district administrator intentionally ignored serious and widespread racial harassment in the school for years, failing to respond to hundreds of reports from black students after being called a slave, the N-word, and hearing threats about them
Starting point is 01:43:54 being lynched. DeMario, all these white folks were running around talking about how education is important in New Jersey and Virginia and other parts of the country. They're protesting at school board meetings over the fictitious critical race theory being taught. They're yelling and screaming about different school books or text in libraries. Not saying a damn thing about these two stories. Well, they're not going to say anything because, again, they don't consider us to be fully human. And it's about power. That's all that CRT stuff is about them being able to control the narrative. You know, with the young lady,
Starting point is 01:44:29 the young girl, nine years old, that was used a toothbrush at a public restroom. I mean, that is ridiculous. It reminds me of a case I had in Seattle, Washington, where my 11-year-old autistic black kid was sat outside in the cold weather for 45 minutes to an hour without his mother ever knowing about it, because they just thought, well, that's the best place for him right now. My point is, Roland, these folks don't fully recognize our humanity. They don't respect us. I definitely can empathize with that grandfather, but I hope he has an aggressive, competent lawyer that has already filed a lawsuit against that school district and that individual teacher,
Starting point is 01:45:06 because that's what we did in Seattle successfully, because that just doesn't make any sense. That child could have got all type of diseases. Anything could have happened having her touch a public stool. I don't understand that at all outside of just racism. As far as the young lady in Utah, that is a Title VI violation, and I hate that that happened to that child, but I'm glad to hear that the Department of Education has come in with their report. But again, that needs to go to court.
Starting point is 01:45:34 There needs to be real accountability. These people have to feel pain. And the only pain you can make them feel through the justice system or the legal system is through money. And that's just the limitations. Looks like we froze Demario. Greg, your comment. Yeah, I looked up this woman, the principal there and the school, Jefferson Elementary. It's only about 375 students. They're 100 percent Title I. They qualify for freelance, so, you know, they're under the line in terms of class.
Starting point is 01:46:09 About a little over half white, 55% white, 30% black, and the rest, you know, various combinations. And, you know, that county, actually, Chesapeake County is on the border with North Carolina. In fact, Chirau is a city in there. That's where Dizzy Gillespie is from, actually, John Burks Gillespie. They racist as hell. So, you know, to hear this elder say that it broke him, no, brother, I tell you what, and I'm just saying this,
Starting point is 01:46:36 you know, I'm not advocating for violence, but having worked in the Philadelphia public schools and continue to do work in Philadelphia with education. You know, if a child had come home and told their parents or grandparents in Philly that the school teacher had given them a brush and said clean, they would have went at the school, beat up the principal, whoever saw it, whoever heard about it. So what we basically see is that in this country, and again, you know, that other case, I agree with Mario, I mean, it's Title VI case, what we see is they in this country, and again, that other case, I agree with Mario, I mean, it's the Title VI case, what we see is they don't care about education. They care about control.
Starting point is 01:47:11 They're going to break black people. My students, I'll say this very quick, my students at Howard, I was having this conversation with them earlier this week, my Education in Black America class. It struck me how many of them say that they felt like they didn't have childhoods when they were in elementary school, junior high school, now middle school, separate proms and two separate homecoming queens. The parents of the school when they were in middle school had a meeting because the white girl was dating the black boy. Her parents
Starting point is 01:47:53 from Australia didn't care. But the white parents of the other students in the town had a meeting to discuss what must be done. And they tried to hide it by saying, oh, well, we don't want them dating. They're too young to date. But other children were dating. It was the interracial dating that they had.
Starting point is 01:48:09 And they literally had a meeting, man. Had a meeting. And wanted this girl to transfer from the school. This is not going away, y'all. You can't pray it away. You can't convince it away. All this is going to take a fist. Organizing and struggle on all levels.
Starting point is 01:48:26 Reesey. I'm just going to take off fist organizing and struggle on all levels. Rishi. It's demonic for starters. It's just demonic. It's sickening to hear once again, the way that black kids are being terrorized and their spirits are broken in the case of young Izzy, the young girl in Utah, you know, this whole farce about education being an issue and, well, when it's too early to teach white kids about racism, they're, I won't say all, some of them,
Starting point is 01:48:56 are already being indoctrinated at home with racism. The problem isn't about them learning about racism. They're executing racism. They are acting out racism in their classrooms. The problem is with them being forced to face how despicable it is because the people that they are inflicting harm upon are also human beings. That's what the real threat is because white kids are not ignorant about racism. They know full damn well what it is. So there's not a threat of teaching them about racism at all. But in terms of what Dr. Carr said,
Starting point is 01:49:32 I mean, I'd tell you what, my mom would have been at that school and it would have been some furniture moving, you know, but what they're banking on is black people. And I'm not saying this in any way to insult the grandfather there, but they're banking on us being docile. They're banking on us being compliant. They're banking on us appealing to them see our humanity, and they won't. They're doing exactly what they want to do, how they want to do it, and the only question is, how do we react and how do we protect ourselves? Yep. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:50:08 All right, folks. I got to go to a quick break. And when you come back, the Kappas, they're out of $3 million. One of their own stole it. I'll tell you about that next on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network. Oh, that spin class was brutal. Well, you can try using the Buick's massaging seat. Oh, yeah, that's nice.
Starting point is 01:50:32 Can I use Apple CarPlay to put some music on? Sure. It's wireless. Pick something we all like. OK, hold on. What's your Buick's Wi-Fi password? Buick Envision 2021. Oh, you should pick something stronger.
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Starting point is 01:51:10 Hi, I'm Vivian Green. Hey, everybody. This is your man, Fred Hammond, and you're watching Roland Martin, my man, unfiltered. All right, folks. Welcome back. The finance director, the former finance director for Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Incorporated,
Starting point is 01:51:28 has pled guilty in federal court to stealing $3 million from the fraternity. Curtis D. Anderson appeared before U.S. District Judge Timothy Savage in Philadelphia. Anderson told investigators he stole the money to fund a gambling habit while struggling with alcohol addiction. He was fired in December 2018 after the fraternity discovered the missing money. The judge is allowing Anderson to remain free until his sentencing in February. The maximum sentence he could be as high as 82 years in prison and a fine of more than $1 million. Let's go to New Orleans. The New Orleans Library Foundation is suing prominent jazz trumpet player Irvin Mayfield. He's actually headed to prison for improperly using monies meant for the New Orleans Public Library. Him
Starting point is 01:52:19 and his business partner, Ronald Markham, were sentenced to 18 months in prison for using more than $1.3 million from the New Orleans Public Library for personal use. U.S. District Judge Jay Zaney ordered Mayfield and Markham to pay $500 a month each for restitution, but the foundation believes it may have found a quicker way to clause money back by suing Mayfield, Markham, and the musical group they once controlled. Man, we did this story just the other day, DeMario, of the sister who took $300,000 in PPP funds for personal use out of Florida. Her dad's running for Congress to replace Congressman Elsie Hastings. Now she's facing over 20 years in prison.
Starting point is 01:53:05 Look, man, I ain't trying to do nothing that's going to put me in prison. I don't care even if it's federal prison. Y'all go ahead and play around with that money, see what happens. No, man, I think the issue, too, is where have your checks and balances in place as a business owner, someone that's running an organization. Make sure you're understanding who's dealing with the money, but you cannot trust any one person to have that much control over the finances. I mean, that's just the reality here.
Starting point is 01:53:28 Obviously, our brothers with the Capas, their system broke down. Obviously, that happened at the public library. So I counsel my clients, particularly when I was representing a lot of NFL guys. I don't do as much of that as I do now. You've got to make sure you understand the checks and balances and making sure you're keeping your money tight. And on the other side of the thing, you know, federal, any prison, I don't want to do one minute, one second in prison. I hate to even go over to the prisons to visit clients or actually have programs in prisons, but it's not a place I want to be at any time. Well, Recy, I probably now see why Scott
Starting point is 01:54:07 Bolden can't give more money to Roland Martin Unfiltered because he's trying to help the Capitals out with that $3 million that's missing. Roland, you are so messy. Oh my God. You just did not let me know. Okay, I'll be a little petty.
Starting point is 01:54:25 I'll be a little petty. I'll be a little petty. You are king of petty. You know, but this goes to the show, like, black people, you can't get away with the shit that the white folks do. You just can't. You gotta have your T's crossed, your I's dotted
Starting point is 01:54:40 because that's how they get the black folks, is through the finance. They can't get you on some physical violent shit. They're going to get you on the financial side. So like DeMario said, have your money, right? Pay your taxes. Get the bookkeeping right. Don't steal.
Starting point is 01:54:56 Don't allegedly steal. You know, do everything you can. If you are entrusted with the fiduciary responsibility, then carry that out with integrity, and you won't find yourself in jail. I wouldn't play with nobody's money. I don't want nobody playing with my money. But it is interesting when you look at somebody, you know, the way that Black people are sentenced in these kind of crimes, as opposed to somebody like Paul Manafort, who was
Starting point is 01:55:19 doing all kinds of wire fraud and things like that, and he's walking free, you know, and he got a pardon. And so, you know, the justice system is not equal. We know that white-collar criminals get treated differently than, you know, regular criminals or other criminals, but even then, the black folks still get the black folk treatment when it comes to white-collar crime. That's great.
Starting point is 01:55:41 I, look, Greg, I ain't trying to be petty, but I can't see a man walking into the federal prison shimmying. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I couldn't help you.
Starting point is 01:56:01 But the story is that your brother had a gambling addiction, which is a very serious deal. Hey, I get that. But you got to have somebody checking the finance director. You got to have checks and balances. That's really, to me, that is the most important aspect.
Starting point is 01:56:22 Hey, hey, hey. That went over a six-year period. Hey, hey. Hey, again, that's when you're doing too much shimmying. You weren't paying attention to the check. Look, hey, I got a CFO and a bookkeeper. I can pull up my account right now. What's that, $1,500?
Starting point is 01:56:42 That's right. I'm just saying. Greg, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm jarring. You got to do that. And again, I just want to emphasize to everybody, we definitely need the support for Roland Martin and Filter.
Starting point is 01:56:52 Understand what hard work and sacrifice looks like. Now, I got an Alexa sitting over there on my desk, my working desk over there. And, you know, I'm definitely not a Jeff Bezos fan, but it ain't nothing but hard work and sacrifice that has allowed the Black Star Network to emerge and force,
Starting point is 01:57:12 organize force, turn Byron Allen into a champion of the race. You know what I'm saying? To force some of these companies to begin to spend some of these dollars. That's hard work and sacrifice, and you gotta dot every I across every T, as you said, and keep them books clean so that you can pull up your phone and say,
Starting point is 01:57:28 no, here it is. But I'm saying all that in this context. As you say, Reese, as Paul Rothman said in the Emperor Jones, there's big stealing like you does and little stealing, big stealing like I does and little stealing like you does. Joe Manchin, who is the chair of the committee that writes
Starting point is 01:57:43 the energy policy in the House of Representatives, owns this stock in Energy Systems Incorporated. He made almost half a million dollars last year in his stock and dividends, and his wife made just about as much, and he turned over control of the firm to his son Joseph. They stealing in a country, in a state that's 50th or 49th or 48th in damn near every category that matters in politics. Now, when you look at what happened in New Orleans, that ain't no money compared to the big legal stealing they're doing.
Starting point is 01:58:12 However, they had to cancel a literacy program in that New Orleans thing with the public library. This cat bought a solid gold trumpet. Bought a solid gold trumpet. Come on, man. And in Philly, youilly, I say Philly because I can't count as many times in 20 years I've passed by the Kappa headquarters
Starting point is 01:58:30 there in North Philly on Broad Street. Now, all fun and games aside, and I'm sure Scott is weeping real tears tonight, along with every other new. Ain't no Greek that organization of African descent got $3 million to lose.
Starting point is 01:58:45 That is literacy programs. That's voter registration. That's everything you've been talking about, Roland. Get out to vote campaigns. Get scholarships to children. And you're right, Demario. Gambling is a hell of an addiction. And we know Philly is just a hop, skip, and a jump
Starting point is 01:58:59 from Atlantic City. So when I saw the name of the casino, I said, I know what this brother was doing. But dude, 78 checks? Who's the cop trolling for Kappa Alpha Psi? How did you know? I'm going to pause with that. It's mind-blowing. Six years.
Starting point is 01:59:13 It did over a six-year period. In fact, I got a cap on YouTube who are mad. I'm like, dude, come on. First of all, you know, doggone well. Dale Morrow, he goes, that last comment by
Starting point is 01:59:30 Roland Martin has stopped me from sending any money, and I repeat, any money to his program, no matter how valuable it is to the community, yeah, I can be petty too. It's all good, Dale, because let me shout out those who sent us money during the show. Camera top buyers, Vincent Kemp, Tommy Williams, Stephanie Avent,
Starting point is 01:59:48 Rodney, Camille Yeverton. I want to thank all y'all for sending in support for the Roland Martin Bring the Funk fan club during the show. Let me also, matter of fact, let me just go ahead and type in here. Let's see. Charles Richardson, I appreciate it as well. Thank you so very much. Again, we've got our folks who support the show.
Starting point is 02:00:10 Let me give some more. Timothy Parks, thank you so very much. Let's see here. Frederick Wright, Willard Rose, Krishana Johnson, Kenneth Antoinette Noel, Jasmine Green, Frederick Jones, Constance Converse. Let's see. Tommy Long, Ernestine Lawrence,
Starting point is 02:00:27 Letitia Kreit, Adora Caldwell, Dee Davidson, Mary Spicer, Robert, Verdale Lee, Donald, Justin Collins, Vincent Brown, Charmaine Wallace. Yeah, I want to thank y'all. And let me see, that's the folks who just gave via Cash App. Let me shout out here. Let's see here. Talicia Burnett on PayPal. Let me thank Ralph Austin on PayPal as well.
Starting point is 02:00:56 Let's see here. I got a couple more. Pamela Jones, thank you so much. Damon Ligon, thanks a bunch as well. We also have Eric Deering as well. So, folks, if y'all give to us on YouTube, I appreciate that. But remember, we only get 55% of all you give on YouTube because they keep 45%. So if you give to us direct, we get the whole 100%.
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Starting point is 02:01:52 Tomorrow, yo, Greg, Reesey, I certainly appreciate y'all. Thanks a bunch. Erica Savage-Wilson, normally on Thursday. We're still praying for you to get better. She posted a photo on social media a couple of weeks ago. And so we still want to give you a shout out, Erica. Hey, I'll be here tomorrow. My nephew Christopher's birthday is tomorrow.
Starting point is 02:02:07 My brother's birthday is on. He'll be 54 years old on Saturday. I'm 53 on Sunday. So we back to back to back. And so that's how we do it in Fish University. I'll see you guys on Saturday for your homecoming in Nashville as well. Folks, I got to go. I got to interview Bresha Webb in just a second for our new show,
Starting point is 02:02:23 Rolling with Roland on the Black Star Network. We busy here working, folks. We appreciate all of y'all joining us. I'll see you tomorrow. Ho! Norske kvinner Kjell? I am to be smart. Roland Martin's doing this every day. Oh, no punches! Thank you, Roland Martin, for always giving voice to the issues.
Starting point is 02:03:45 Look for Roland Martin in the whirlwind, to quote Marcus Garvey again. The video looks phenomenal, so I'm really excited to see it on my big screen. I support this man, Black Media. He makes sure that our stories are told. See, there's a difference between Black Star Network and Black-owned media and something like CNN.
Starting point is 02:04:03 I gotta defer to the brilliance of Dr. Carr and to the brilliance of the Black Star Network. I am rolling with Roland all the way. I'm gonna be on a show that you own. A Black man owns the show. Folks, Black Star Network is here. I'm real revolutionary right now. Roland was amazing on that.
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