#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Bayou redistricting battle; GOP attacks Fani Willis; Fox News boasts Trump's popularity with Blacks
Episode Date: August 30, 20238.30.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Bayou redistricting battle; GOP attacks Fani Willis; Fox News boasts Trump's popularity with Blacks Legal battle in the Bayou. A Louisiana federal court rejects ...the state's motion to cancel a hearing in the congressional redistricting case to create a second Black Opportunity district. A Louisiana representative will join us to explain what this means and what's happening with redrawing the maps. An all-out GOP attack is underway in Georgia against District Attorney Fani Willis. State and federal lawmakers are actively pursuing new efforts to reprimand Willis for bringing charges against former President Donald Trump and his 18 co-defendants. We will explain the details of this growing controversy and explore the accusations claiming that Willis is abusing her power. Fox News is at it again. This time, they are using stereotypes to explain why former President Donald Trump's recent arrests are boosting his popularity among Black Americans. Wait until I show you the videos. Artificial intelligence is becoming more prevalent, and concerns about its potential dangers and impact on our identities are arising. We sit down with an intellectual property attorney, who will explain potential risks we may face and how our identities might be compromised in this AI-powered era. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Martell. I have told y'all repeatedly the Republican Party does not give a damn about black people. In Louisiana, they are fighting hard to prevent the creation of a second congressional district for African Americans.
Yep. Supreme Court, remember, sent a case back to the state court where the state is trying its best not to follow previous rulings. Secretary of State Kyle Ardon tried to have an upcoming hearing canceled,
but on Tuesday, the Middle District Court in Louisiana denied that motion,
and the October 3rd hearing will go ahead as planned. Joining me now, Baton Rouge State
Representative Denise Marcel. Denise, glad to have you on the show. Representative Marcel,
again, for people out there who don't understand, Louisiana has a sizable black population. A federal court ruled
that black voters, again, when they looked at how the districts were drawn, there should be a black,
a second black district. The exact same thing happened in Alabama. Well, the white Republicans
in Louisiana are not happy about that. You're absolutely correct, and thank you for having me on.
Actually, I filed a bill on the House side, HB4, to say that we should have the second
congressional black district. The courts ruled that we were in violation of the Voters' Rights
Act in Louisiana by not passing those districts. And of course, as you
have said, they don't want to listen to the law. They don't care about the law. They just want
power. And again, for folks who don't know, what is the percentage of blacks in Louisiana?
So we should actually have two, a minimum of two, but at least it could go up to as much as three.
There should be two black districts and then there should be an opportunity district as well.
So it's a third. And we have six congressional seats and they only want to give us one congressional district. And they have defied everything that the law has said,
everything that the judge has said, in an attempt to keep power over all of the districts except
for the one that they've given us. Can you explain a black district and an opportunity district?
Yes, I can. So in Louisiana, the most populated areas for African Americans is obviously New Orleans, where the district is grown.
And certainly Baton Rouge is another area where we definitely have to have representation.
And we have more blacks in those areas.
I think it's like 52 percent in Baton Rouge.
So we can elect two black people to represent us in Congress.
The Opportunity District is maybe a little bit shy of that. And so that means that we have at
least an opportunity to elect someone. We may not win it, but at least we could get somebody that's
maybe not so far on the other side of what we believe in
and have them to go ahead.
But the Opportunity District, what it does, though, it shows that African-Americans could
play a major role in determining who wins.
So you have six.
Correct.
So you have six total.
So what they're fearing, not only are they fearing black power, they also know that black people are likely to vote Democrat.
And so they now have five Republicans, one Democrat, Congressman Troy Carter.
What they're afraid of is having literally three Republicans and three Democrats.
Correct. That is absolutely correct. You're correct.
Go ahead. Go ahead. No, and I was just going to say,
you know, we fought very hard in the House, and we couldn't even get those bills out of the
committees. Particularly, they had set what they were going to do. We did a road show.
We talked to people to see what people wanted. And it did not matter. It was
just they just went through, you know, the steps. But knowing all the time that they were not going
to allow us to come out of there with the district, although the judge has said that
they are in violation of Section 2 of the Voter Rights Act. And really what we're seeing here, I mean, look, Republicans in Alabama have made it clear that they are freaking out by this because, again, Republicans hold a slim lead in the House of Representatives.
And the pathway to Democrats regaining power shockingly could come through the South.
That's correct.
If they were going to do what the law requires them to do,
and it appears that they're not
on that page at all.
Well, we're going to be watching this.
Keep up the fight there. It really
is an important issue, and this is just
one of the reasons why I keep saying to our
people why we have to vote,
why we must use that power, because
they're doing everything to keep us
from actually having power. Absolutely. I just left the Southern University and I was registering
all of the band members a few minutes ago, and that's exactly what I said to them. This is all
about power. This is about your voting rights and using those rights to put people in places that represent what you want to see happen
And they are absolutely afraid of that the Republicans are and they don't mind doing what the law says not to do in order
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Rebecca, I want to start with you.
Look, run the numbers, it's very clear.
The Congressional Black Caucus right now
has the largest delegation
of Democrats on the caucus, about 58 members. Governor of Florida, Governor Ron DeSantis
used his power. He basically blew off the legislature and destroyed two black districts
there. Alabama fought the creation of a second black district. Louisiana fought the
creation of a second black district. Right now, there literally could be 62 members of the Black
Caucus. What they are afraid of, they do not want to see the expansion of black power,
and they're doing everything they can to stop it from moving forward.
Roland, there's been a clarion call with Black folks in this country.
There's been a call for reverse migration, for folks to return back to the South and
back to their Southern roots.
And we have seen that happen over the last decade.
And as a result, there's an increase in the population of Black folks in the South.
You know, I'm thinking about Louisiana.
Louisiana is over 34 percent Black. When I think thinking about Louisiana. Louisiana is over 34 percent Black.
When I think about North Carolina, it's over 22 percent Black. And so based upon proportional
representation, we know that there should be more than just one Black protected seat in Louisiana,
just like we know there should be more than one Black protected seat in Alabama,
especially when you consider the Black belt and when you even see
how the black congressional seat in Alabama is so gerrymandered and drawn, it's not even an amoeba
or a spider. It's just this really weird shape that doesn't even follow the rules of where
congressional districts are supposed to be contiguous, meaning that the lines have to
connect with each other, and it also has to be compact. And it also has to have people, you know, similar types of people or a compact community of
interest that's placed within that congressional district. So what we see is we do see that there
are Republicans who are trying to draw districts in a way to disenfranchise black voters. And I don't think I think we reached the tipping point where that that just can't happen anymore because the population shift has been too great.
The thing here, Scott, and this is what I keep I keep saying this and I know it's like a broken record to our audience, there is a reason why we have to have aggressive civil rights
lawyers, because what these Republicans are doing, they thought with a six to three hard
right Supreme Court majority, oh, we can just do a cakewalk.
John Roberts led the destruction of the Voting Rights Act.
They were all shocked and stunned with this Supreme Court decision.
And what they're hoping,
they're hoping to defy the federal courts
and they hope they can pick up that fifth vote
by saying, well, you know,
we put a few more black people
in the district in Alabama
and they're going to try the exact same thing
in Louisiana and hope that passes muster
with the white Supreme Court justices.
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The Supreme Court has said that doesn't get it.
That doesn't get you to the end zone.
And I got to tell you, when a 6-3 majority tells you that you're gerrymandering and the way you're drawing these maps is not acceptable,
my first reaction was it wasn't even acceptable to the 6-3 majority.
It had to be pretty bad.
Now, they can defy them and try to go back, but I got to
tell you, precedent is still the law of the land, and it's not going to be a welcome sight. I was
surprised the Supreme Court sent it back to Alabama and sent it back to another state. They
were sending them a message that you can do as much as you can, but you've got to make it politically
and legally acceptable, and it was not that.
I often wonder, though, whether it's racism at the state level or simple politics. The Republicans
know that their policies aren't popular. They cannot win fair and square, and as a result,
black people are the easiest to target because of that 6 to three majority. I haven't figured out it may be
both, if you will. But one thing's for sure. One answer to this is that black people have got to
figure out that voting up and down the ballot is important, both at the federal level and the state
level. And until they do that, until the bell goes off, then you're not, you're going to have these
challenges.
You know, Rowan, 20 years ago, the Voting Rights Act was off the table regarding partisanship.
Republicans and Democrats, as a formality, passed the reinstatement of the Voting Rights
Act, especially Section 5 and Section 2.
And now we're still partisanship.
And because 2043 is coming, right?
2043 is coming, we're going to be a country of color.
The Republicans know that
and so they've got to do voter suppression
in order to maintain power as long as they can.
We're letting them do it by feeding into the fact
that we just won't vote up and down the line.
Or as you say, we won't vote more
in the areas we need to be voting. That's why,
that's why, look, you said I'm not quite sure
if it's politics or race.
Mustafa, it's both.
It's politics and race. This is
no different than the period
after Reconstruction.
What we're seeing right now is
a repeat of the
period after Reconstruction. It is
a repeat of the 1890 Mississippi Constitutional Convention
where they said, we are tired of seeing black folks elected.
We're going to change the rules.
The Republican Party, let me be perfectly clear,
the Republican Party made a decision as a party,
as their national policy, we are going to target black people. They have been pissed off with the
turnout of black people with the election of President Barack Obama, North Carolina, Georgia,
Texas, Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana. And we've seen this in Iowa.
We've seen this in Maine.
These people are diabolical in what they're doing.
So it is absolutely race.
It is absolutely political.
Yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, this is Jim Crow 2.0, if we want to frame it that way.
I've worked in Louisiana,
so I know both the state politics and I also understand the impacts that continue to happen.
You got 1.5 million black folks who are there, and they continue to sacrifice our rights. They
continue to also ignore the law. So I think that that sends a very clear message. If the Supreme
Court has told you that you have to do something, then you continue to drag your feet and you continue to sort of thumb
your nose also at them, then it's pretty clear that they don't care what happens to black folks.
So I think that we also just got to be very, very clear with folks that you've got power in this
situation. The power, of course, is being able to properly
mobilize individuals. And that means that we have to get the resources on the ground today.
Actually, it should have been there yesterday to better prepare folks, to educate folks
about the power that exists inside of your vote, but also what's at stake,
because it is about your life. It is about the resources that also are tied to political power. And it is
also about what the future will look like, not only for yourself, but for your children.
So we have a responsibility in this moment, not just from our community, but others who say they
are allies, to do what's necessary to address the egregious actions that are happening, but also to get people prepared to vote. And what they're also, again, doing, again, they are diluting.
Check this out.
This is what Louisiana claimed, Rebecca, when they were going before the Supreme Court.
This is a piece from NBC News.
It said, the broader implication of the legal argument it's based on are even more alarming.
Louisiana is claiming that only black
Americans who choose black or black and white on census forms should be considered black for the
purposes of drawing racially inclusive congressional districts. They claim that those who identify as
multiracial, say black and Latino or black and Asian,
were wrongly used to bolster
the calculations for black
minority opportunity zones.
They want to
redefine black
to actually push
out certain black people
and that's why I keep telling these dumb ass ADOS people and these dumb ass FBA people who attack black immigrants.
You're stupid because 10 percent of the black population today in the United States are black immigrants.
And so if you're making,
you're helping Republicans with that argument by saying it.
So like, first of all, Roland,
for Louisiana to even try to define and say what black is,
this is the same Louisiana that had the one eighth rule,
the one drop rule, the octaroon rule, the quadroon rule, but now they're going to determine on who's Black and who's not. And then I will also say understanding the history of Louisiana, especially its connection to those
Afro-Caribbeans who went back and forth between Louisiana and within the Caribbean across a
variety of islands.
So even like the history of Louisiana, I don't think Louisiana gets to tell black folks
who gets to determine who's black.
I mean, I couldn't even get past that,
and I can't believe they even submitted
that type of argument knowing Louisiana's history.
Well, again, what people have to understand, Scott,
these are the legal maneuverings of Republicans.
This is what they are doing.
They're perfectly clear in doing it.
And so folks have to understand they're trying every possible way to limit black power.
Well, I just want you to know
that the white racist Republicans
in Louisiana, their ancestors
are turning over in their grave
because they are
now
no more one-drop rule.
Next thing you're going to do,
you're going to be able to marry their daughters
and granddaughters because one drop
of blackness does not make you black anymore. Hallelujah, I guess. I don't know. But my
goodness gracious, white people are so arrogant and so privileged, they want to now define what's
black or not black. They hate black people and brown people. But for voting rights purposes
and redistricting, they want to tell you what's black and what's not black. You can't be African. You can't be Caribbean. You can't be French.
You got to be 100 percent American Negro in order to count for your census and for your
redistricting. I've heard everything. Well, Mustafa, keep in mind that, again, this is nothing new here.
This same story shows this here.
And I go to my iPad.
In 1970, Louisiana passed the Black Blood Law, which was an effort to mathematically determine race.
The law determined a Louisianan to be white if he or she possessed one thirty second or less of Negro blood.
Now, the law, the law was overturned in 19 was banned in 1983.
And again, it was very similar to the one drop rule.
This is what you're dealing with. And again, for everybody to understand something,
that law was passed in 1970.
I'll be 55 in November,
which means that somebody who was in legislature then,
they could still be there,
and they got sons and daughters.
Let's just be real clear what's going on here.
This is an outright attempt to absolutely limit black power, black political power.
And everybody who's watching, Mustafa, when I keep saying limit black power, that now means resources to black people.
That means federal dollars.
That means dollars for schools, for roads, for construction, jobs, health care. So I need black folks to understand
that what we're talking about here has a direct impact on the financial and the economic and
the educational condition of our community. Without a doubt. I mean, you know, folks have
continued to try and manipulate the law. They've tried to continue to manipulate also policy, which is tied to the law.
And we've seen that this has been going on now for hundreds of years, but in all of our lifetimes, as you pointed out, since the 70s, if you only want to go back to that period in time.
And it is about power. It's about resources. And we have to understand that this is a part of a strategic set of actions. These folks
are not just pulling stuff out of the sky. This is a part of a strategy to remove power from the
Black community, but to also make sure that they are building a foundation so that as America
continues to get browner and browner, that they will continue to be able to hold on to the resources
and to make the decisions. So understand the game,
game, recognize game, get prepared, and let's make sure that we are doing what's necessary
to build the partnerships and to address what's happening in this moment.
The last point I'll make is this here, and this is what I need everybody to understand,
and this is the problem that I have. Y'all keep hearing me talk
about why we must use our power. Go to my iPad. This is November, 2022. This is this, this was the
early voting in Louisiana. And you'll see here that 24% of the early vote was black voters.
Now, you see this story, pollster John Kavillian.
The article says blacks make up just over 30% of all Louisiana voters,
and most are Democrat.
When Democrats have gotten out the vote in early voting,
it led to victories for their party.
In 2008, when Mary Landrieu and Barack Obama won Louisiana by big margins,
and in 2015-2019, when John Bel Edwards won both his terms in office. Kavillion says when the black early vote slips below 25 percent, Republicans generally win substantially. Y'all see that?
So let me say this here to black folks in Louisiana.
Gary Chambers told us the exact same thing. The numbers are abysmal.
And so here we are fighting for a second black congressional district.
But part of the problem here is that black folks are not turning out in proper numbers in Louisiana. Y'all repeatedly have heard me say that we have to be voting at 65,
70, and 75 percent of our numbers. If we do that, we literally are controlling elections.
And so we can't complain about what we're not getting when we are not showing up. Now, I know people then say, well, Roland, people are dissatisfied and people have to be motivated to vote.
Okay, here's the vote motivation.
You ain't going to get shit if you don't vote.
So when you say I want something, and if you're in Louisiana, and there are six members of Congress, and five Republican, and one Democrat, and five hard right, right wing Republicans like Clay Higgins, what you think you're going to have to understand that literally our power is sitting at home on the couch.
In front of a television.
Playing on social media.
And standing on a street corner.
I'm telling y'all.
If we maximize our vote and white voters stay right here, we can dominate elections nationwide,
especially in the South.
And speaking of the South,
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and Georgia,
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white Republicans,
are attacking two black women.
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You see this black woman right here?
Her name is Anita Earle.
She sits on the North Carolina Supreme Court.
The Republicans on the North Carolina Judicial Commission,
they're going after her.
Why?
Does she take any money?
Nope.
Bribes?
Nope.
Does she take lavish vacations
with billionaire donors like Clarence Thomas? Nope. Does she take lavish vacations with billionaire donors like Clarence Thomas?
Nope. She changed her position like Clarence Thomas? Nope.
Guess what? They literally are coming after her and want her removed from the Supreme Court because she says she supports diversity.
She spoke. Now, this is an article by Slate.com. Watch this right here. It says, Earls, the only black woman on the North Carolina's high court, spoke out about racial bias in her courtroom.
She spoke about the few clerks of color the court employed and how her colleagues treated certain attorneys, including a black woman, who argued before them.
Now they are targeting her.
Hmm.
She was like, you know what?
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Come after me, so I'm going to fight back.
So Earls has been doing that.
And so what does she do?
She said, I'm hitting y'all ass with a federal lawsuit.
Go to my iPad.
She filed a complaint in the district court requesting a declaratory judgment and injunction
to stop the Judicial standards commission from continuing to
investigate and potentially punishing her for exercising her first amendment
rights and speaking about the lack of diversity in the state judiciary.
The commission,
which oversees compliance with the code of judicial conduct conduct reviews and
investigates complaints of misconduct made against judges and justices.
Now, most recently, August 15, 2023, the commission indicated its intent to investigate
Earls for an interview in a legal news publication in which she discussed the
North Carolina Supreme Court's recent record on issues relating to diversity.
In a letter to Earls and her counsel, the commission said her comments potentially violate a provision of the code
which requires judges to conduct themselves, quote,
in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality
of the judiciary.
This is what she said.
The first, now go back, please, thank you.
The First Amendment provides me and every American the right to free speech and to bring
to light imperfections and unfairness in our political
and judicial systems. I believe that public confidence in the judiciary is best promoted
by honestly looking at the facts, not by sweeping the truth under the rug or silencing dissenters.
Scott, seriously, they are saying you have the audacity to say
you support diversity, you gotta go
and she said it
in a very constructive manner
the numbers are what the
numbers are, the truth is
that diversity
is powerful, it helps
and better decision making
come from people having
confidence in the judicial system. And many of them, at least on civil as well as criminal sides
of these cases, are people of color and black people in North Carolina.
So to say that the court needs to do better, to say that we need diversity, and diversity would be a positive if we had more of it.
How is that violating judicial canons of ethics because it's reducing confidence in the courts?
It's actually ensuring or advocating for greater confidence in the courts when people who come
before lower courts and the Supreme Court
see people that look like them at the clerk level,
at the law level, lawyer level,
as well as people who work in the courthouses.
That's constructive advocacy.
Call it constructive criticism,
but nobody's reducing the importance of the courts
or confidence in the courts.
That just borders on the nonsensical.
And yet she got to hire a lawyer and try to get a TRO on this thing
because if there are a bunch of Republicans on that judicial piece,
they could care less.
They will have her removed, the only African-American woman
that is advocating for more diversity.
But probably, I don't know this judge, but probably an outstanding
jurist to get to the Supreme Court, any state Supreme Court, when you're the only black
person there.
So this borders on the nonsensical.
Hopefully the court will give her some judicial relief.
The challenge there is that she hasn't been harmed.
She may not have standing to succeed in that lawsuit because they haven't removed her yet.
And very oftentimes you have to have an injury as opposed to anticipating the injury.
And the courts may tell her it's not ripe for review, which would be unfortunate.
I know why they're doing it.
It's an aggressive move, but she may not have standing to get the release she wants just yet.
These people are literally out of their minds.
But Mustafa, I have been telling folk,
this is what they are targeting black people.
They're crazy like a fox, as my grandmother would say.
You know, there are a couple of different dynamics
that are going on here.
One, they understand the power that exists inside of judgeships
and they only feel
that certain people with certain views should be allowed to be at that highest level of the
judiciary, if you will. So they are also, the second point is that they are trying to make an
example of her so that others who are in the judicial system will not embrace diversity or not at least have diversity
as one of the criterias that are used in decision making. And as Scott has shared, to help a process
to be more fuller and inclusive and also help to strengthen it. So that's the game that's going on.
And this is once again why we have to make sure that we are engaging in our vote and understanding people who we can elect into certain judgeships.
Of course, some of them are appointed, but also our vote is tied to those who will appoint these individuals.
So, again, we have power that's in this moment. The question becomes if we are going to utilize it and to also help others to understand through education the sets of opportunities that are available.
Here's why this is absolutely hilarious to me, Rebecca.
In 2020, Governor Roy Cooper, Democrat, co-chaired a task force.
It was called a task force for Racial Equity in Criminal Justice.
Who was the co-chair of that? Justice Anita Earls. Go to my iPad.
You today and to be tasked with co-leading this important group with Justice Anita Earls, whom I deeply respect.
The inequities that African Americans experience, whether it's in the economy, health care, our schools,
or the criminal justice system, are pervasive, just as they are wrong.
Even today, African Americans are suffering death at greatly disproportionate rates from
COVID-19. My heart aches for the families of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and so many other people
who have been killed or mistreated by their own government. Any senseless act of violence is
tragic, but especially so when perpetrated by those sworn to protect and defend us.
It represents such a fundamental violation of the authority we grant law enforcement and the trust we place in them.
It also undermines the important and hard work of the many peace officers serving our communities
with dedication and compassion.
Our United States Supreme Court building has the following words chiseled on its face,
equal justice under law.
Sadly, we remain in pursuit of this ideal. Last week, Chief Justice Sherry Beasley powerfully described some of the many shortcomings in our criminal justice system.
She observed, in our courts, African Americans are more harshly treated, more severely punished, and more likely to be presumed guilty. I will add, in our communities, African Americans are more likely to be pulled over by police
and more likely to die at their hands.
None of this is acceptable.
We have to make North Carolina a safe place for every person, no matter who you are.
The Task Force for Racial Equity and Criminal Justice will consider
and implement measures that can bring about meaningful change to the criminal justice system.
We will review law enforcement recruitment, training, and accountability, as well as court
issues, including pretrial release and the use of fines and fees. We will identify ways to build genuine trust
between law enforcement and the communities they serve and protect. This is absolutely necessary
today, just as it was in 1829 when Sir Robert Peel, the founder of modern Policing wrote, the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties
is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions, and behavior, and on their ability to
secure and maintain public respect. North Carolina has a tragic legacy of slavery,
segregation and racist violence
that still affects our state to
this day.
But we have another inspiring
legacy.
The 1960 sit-ins in Greensboro
and the hundreds of protests
since.
A state NAACP that filed more
integration lawsuits than any
other, a demonstrated willingness to adopt criminal
justice reforms, and so much more. I truly believe our state can be a leader in identifying and
overcoming systemic racism in our criminal justice system. And I am genuinely hopeful that this time
is different. The protests have been more widespread, more persistent, and more diverse.
Allies of all races are joining with black people to say, no more.
This movement is generating energy that you can feel, and this task force must ensure
that this energy is harnessed into meaningful and lasting change to help us heal, because
black lives matter.
Thank you.
Now, why did I play all of that?
I played all of that, Rebecca, because it was 2020.
You heard the mentioning of Sherry Beasley.
At the time, she was the chief justice of the state Supreme Court.
Democrats had a majority in the Supreme Court. He's a Democratic governor. What has changed in
North Carolina? One, after November 2022, guess what? Republicans then flipped the state Supreme
Court. They now control it four to three. They now have a super majority in the legislature.
And so now they're using that power to target Democrats and definitely black people.
They recently passed their voter suppression bill.
You see this effort here.
It is an all out assault on black folks and democracy in North Carolina by white conservative Republicans.
You know, Roland, there's 401 votes would have made the difference in 2020.
So I had an opportunity to meet Anita Earls in 2018 when she was actually running for the
North Carolina Supreme Court. At the time, Cherie Beasley was in justice on the court. In 2019,
Governor Cooper appointed her as the chief justice of that court to fill out a term because I think someone either passed the chief justice either passed away or resigned.
I don't remember which right now. But in 2020, Cherie Beasley was on the ballot.
She only lost by 401 votes. She was on the ballot to actually get elected for a full term as chief justice.
And then folks might, your audience might remember then in 2022, Cherie Beasley decided to run for
U.S. Senate instead after losing by 401 votes in 2020. So had Cherie Beasley won in 2020,
then we would definitely see a different court, a court with both Anita Earls and Cherie Beasley won in 2020, then we would definitely see a different court, a court with both Anita Earls and Cherie Beasley.
And I would even argue that having Cherie Beasley on the court with Anita Earls would have provided some of the support that Anita needs during this moment as she's having to sue North Carolina.
And last one here.
This is an interview that Anita Earls did with California Forward.
So you're complaining that she speaks about diversity, but she has a long history in civil rights law.
Duh.
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And in 2016, it began to be clear to me that for the short term, our federal courts might be a challenging environment and that we ought to also pay attention to state courts when it comes to protection of our basic rights.
That our state constitutions are a rich source of understanding about how the legal system should protect people's rights.
And so that's what
kind of turned my sights to state court and in 2018 it was just an opportunity
to put myself forward to say I would like to have a different role just to
step away from the role of advocate representing parties and step into the
role of being on the court and
wrestling with the legal issues.
So I'm actually really grateful to the voters of North Carolina for giving me this chance
to serve.
Sorry, Scott.
So you heard her clearly say there, my focus on state courts.
And I have been saying this to our followers.
You heard Rebecca lay out there, Beasley lost by 401 votes.
There were a lot of black people in North Carolina who did not vote in that election.
And the thing that we have to understand is that if we exercise the state power and we maximize our vote on the state level,
it's not just for president, for congressional races,
for U.S. Senate.
When you also control the state Supreme Court,
then you can also stop a lot of these
far right-wing Republican efforts to attack black people.
And you have a brilliant jurist just in that video.
Brilliant. Well-spoken.
Civil rights lawyer.
Who wouldn't want her on the Supreme Court?
Black, white, yellow, or brown.
And they don't.
They want to remove her.
With Sheree, who spoke out again
for diversity,
they didn't go after her. Now, you
explained that the Dems controlled it,
right? But nevertheless,
it doesn't really matter
because they're going after her now
as opposed to Cherie.
And despite the politics,
there's some history here
of not attacking Supreme Court justices
in North Carolina
who speak about not just diversity,
but the racism in the state court
system. And so you've got to vote up and down ballot. And you've got to vote early and often.
I grew up in Chicago. I've been voting since I was 13, but that's another story.
But I wish we could vote more often in these states and these jurisdictions,
because that's why this judicial commission
can remove her. They have the power to remove her if she doesn't win this lawsuit. Then they're
going to appoint somebody else, maybe white. You can see how the ramifications continue
to just knock down these blocks. And then it's black women, ma'am. You notice black female prosecutors, black female judges have the just get the ire of white conservatives at the state level, even federal level.
I mean, it just the unmitigated attacks on black women, lawyers and judges is just unbelievable and just naked aggression towards them. And the process has to run its course. And there's nobody to stop it.
Why? Because Republicans are in control of many of these investigations and prosecutions
going on. Another reason why black people need to be voting more often at the state level.
And there you go. Hold tight one second, folks. We come back. We will talk about how Republicans are now trying to go after.
Yep.
Another black woman, this time in Georgia.
Fulton County DA Fannie Willis.
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Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a white nationalist rally that descended into
deadly violence.
On that soil, you will not regret that.
White people are losing their damn lives.
There's an angry pro-Trump mob storm to the U.S. Capitol.
We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance.
We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting.
I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial.
This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress,
whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white
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there's going to be more of this. There's all the Proud Boys, guys.
This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because
of the fear of white people.
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This is white fear.
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Well, you got some Republicans in Georgia.
They're pissed off at finding Willis, the Fulton County DA,
because she dared indict Donald Trump and 18 others on RICO charges.
Georgia State Senate Majority Leader Steve Gooch said in a recent interview that Republican leaders could hold hearings into whether Willis is using her position in a political manner
for accusing Trump and his 18 co-defendants of trying to overturn the 2020 election.
He says he sees Senate Bill 92, a new law empowering a state panel
to investigate and oust wayward prosecutors
as a powerful quote tool in the toolbox
that unquote that Trump's allies can deploy
to delve into will assist use of public resources.
Now, Congressman Andrew Clyde
wants to use an upcoming appropriations bill
to slash federal funding for attorneys who dare to charge Trump.
Defund the cops.
And also that nutcase Marjorie Taylor Greene.
She's pushing for a House Judiciary Committee investigation into how much Willis's office received in federal dollars,
whether it is interacting with White House officials during the state's election probe.
This is real simple, Mustafa.
And again, what you see here, now here's what I love.
Was Fannie, was this a political process?
Fannie Willis has an elected position.
That's one.
She indicted them for interfering with the election.
That's political.
Yeah, dumbasses, it's politics!
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I'm Greg Lott.
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
Yes, sir. We are back.
In a big way.
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And to be able to use their minds and understand this process
Attorney Willis has been very clear
This is about the facts and the law
And if Donald Trump hadn't done what he did, allegedly
Then he would no longer be in this
situation that he finds himself in. And these folks would not need to try and manipulate the
system to gain some power over what's actually going on. So anytime you talk about appropriations
and being able to utilize those and take those away from those who you feel are not in alignment
with what you believe in, then we have a problem. We have a problem because that takes us back in
history when folks used to control the company store. And if you are a black person who wasn't
doing or saying what they wanted, then they could cut you off or a local bank. So we see these types
of dynamics that
have played out decade upon decade, century upon century, and now they are bringing it
forward again in 2023 and trying to use it as a tool of manipulation.
The Georgia Speaker of the House, Rebecca, John Burns, got, give him credit.
This is what he actually said.
A select few, go to my iPad,
a select few are calling to defund a duly elected district attorney
of this state in her office
in an attempt to interfere with the criminal justice system.
Regardless of your views of this case,
removing this funding would also have
the unintended consequence of causing a delay or complete lack of prosecution of other serious offenses like murder, rape, armed robbery, gang prosecution, battery, etc.
If we are concerned about the levels of serious crime in Atlanta, this move would obviously be harmful to the public safety. It is unfortunate some would knowingly suggest
such a reckless course of action despite the devastating effects it would have. Now,
this is what, and then he says, while we as the General Assembly do have appropriating power over
any agency or branch of state government, to reduce the pay of an individual DA is wrong.
Thank God you've got a sensible Republican in Georgia, Rebecca.
So, you know, I have a few friends from law school who are prosecutors in Georgia,
and I had this conversation with them last month once that bill was passed,
which actually allows for the task force to review at what level are certain things prosecuted,
what are prosecutions that are ignored or passed on, you know, really undermining
prosecutorial discretion in Georgia. And one of my questions to them was,
what are the large firms saying about this? I would think any large or even national firm in
Georgia will have a dedicated interest in making sure that the judiciary in Georgia is protected.
Or even what is the Georgia Bar Association saying about this? Because regardless of your politics,
you do not want Georgia lawmakers
deciding that they want to undermine and determine how prosecutors choose to charge in some cases
and decline to charge in other cases. Here's what Speaker Burns, go back to my iPad,
Speaker Burns said, he said, by doing this, we require reducing the pay of all DAs and ADAs across the state, your circuit included, through the adoption of legislation.
Targeting one specific DA in this manner certainly flops the idea of separation of powers if not outright violates it.
We as members of the General Assembly have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the state of Georgia, these United States, and the laws thereof.
We trust that our criminal justice system will deal with this matter impartially and fairly, and we will not improperly intercede in this matter in direct contradiction to the oaths we
took. Well, praise the Lord. We've seen in Texas how Republicans have targeted Harris County specifically.
This is what Republicans have done.
They have been so malicious that they have said, oh, yeah, we're pissed off at you.
We're going to target you directly.
Hey, we're going to talk about racism and the law now.
And I know it's hard for you to listen to me sometimes, Roland, but you should listen.
It's hard to listen to you a lot of times, but go ahead.
Yeah, I know.
But let me tell you something.
Now, a prosecutor's stock in trade is their discretion.
The voters of Fulton County elected her for her discretion and to keep them safe.
They elected Marilyn Mosby in Maryland, Kim Fox in Chicago.
Now you have these new laws being passed when black people are being elected prosecutors. You didn't have it when there were white men and white women because power and the discretion, this legislature wants to substitute their judgment for that of Fannie Willis and every other black prosecutor. appropriate because the legislature has nothing to do with the executive. The prosecutor is in
the executive branch. The legislature is in the legislative branch. But you have these conservative
Republicans who don't trust, their privilege doesn't trust the judgment of a black woman in
this case. Oh, and by the way, did you read the indictment against Donald Trump and those other
18 people? It was a speaking indictment.
It's okay to believe that the election was stolen from you or that you won.
But the affirmative acts, the factual predicate, the underlying crimes that were committed based on bad conduct of white conservatives that bring integrity to our election system, the Republicans have just completely abandoned that. And now they
want to take money from black prosecutors who would dare to prosecute Donald Trump.
Although he's been prosecuted four times, going to be prosecuted four times,
91 felony counts. For him to get out of that, he got to run the table. No one in the history of
America has beaten 91 felony counts. And if you don't plead out and you get convicted of one of those, one, maybe two or more, you're going to jail.
I don't care who you are.
Donald Trump is going to jail if he gets convicted.
So you juxtapose that with this discretion or this legislation that wants to cut funding.
Even the feds want to cut funding from Alvin Bragg and these other folks for the audacity.
Their white privilege that they did not earn is driving these legislative decisions
to undermine the discretion of these very talented and brilliant black people
who would dare to serve as prosecutors.
That's what's going on.
That's the racism, and that's the undermining of the law
and the legal minds of black people who are prosecuted at the state level.
It's got to stop.
Well, speaking of that, Scott.
Thank you for listening to me.
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right.
Got you, Steve.
The attorney general out of New York State, this breaking news, she wants a judge to make it clear that Donald Trump, go to my iPad, Donald Trump overvalued his properties by up to $2.2 billion. trial in New York in October. And she's saying point blank. They constantly lied about the assets,
lied in trying to get loans and things of that nature. And oh boy, talk about going after his
next guy. Now, granted, this is civil, but this hits his ego. because remember, everything is about I'm a rich man, I'm a billionaire.
And she's like, nah, you're a fraud.
Yeah. And what she's going to do is she's going to use this is what real estate developers do.
They undervalue their property for assessment purposes and to save taxes.
They overvalue it when they want to get loans against those properties. And so
they're two inconsistent positions. And what Tish James, my law school classmate, is going to do,
she's going to look at the tax information they submitted. She's going to look at the loan
information that he got from several banks, right, to borrow against these properties and say
they're completely
inconsistent. One of them was a lie. The court's going to figure out or the jury's going to figure
out who's lying about what. But you can't have these two inconsistent pieces. Real estate
developers do it all the time. That's how he's going to be found liable and have to pay back
$2 billion or more. And it's going to be an easy case to try. A lot of documents, but in the end,
you got a lie here on the left,
a lie here on the right,
somebody lying, and somebody's liable.
And that's going to be the Trump organization
and Donald Trump, who is CEO and founder.
Rebecca, this is from the New York Times.
Go to my iPad.
Before any of those criminal trials will take place,
Mr. Trump is scheduled for a civil trial
in New York in October.
During the trial, the Attorney General, Letitia James, will seek to bar him and three of his
children from leading their family business, the Trump Organization, and to require him
to pay a fine of around $250 million.
She said the fraud was so pervasive, she said in the court filing, that Mr. Trump had falsely boosted his
net worth by between $812 million and $2.2 billion each year over the course of a decade.
Quote, based on the undisputed evidence, no trial is required for the court to determine
that defendants presented grossly and materially
inflated asset values. You know, they need to go after him like they did those who
did this type of puffery with getting PPP loans. Like this still sounds like it's some level of
security fraud. And like I hear what Scott was saying that, yes, Tish James is doing this through, you know, through the civil side.
But I'm really trying to understand maybe Scott can enlighten us. Why can't we go after him for security fraud?
Because if we're able to prove that he did puffery up applying for a loan. Like, that is a financial instrument,
and then that's how we get into the realm of securities fraud.
Mustafa, again, this is with the New York Times reporting on this filing,
which was unsealed moments ago. Go to my iPad. In her new filing, she wrote that given the way
that the worth of Trump Tower was calculated in 2018,
it was overvalued by nearly $175 million.
The following year, she said,
the value of the building was falsely boosted
by nearly $323 million.
To Scott's point, Mustafa, this is what they said.
Quote, at the end of the day, this is a documents case.
The filing unsealed on Wednesday said, adding that the documents left not a shred of doubt.
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do not even remotely reflect the estimated current value of his assets.
Those letters and numbers on those pieces of paper tell the truth.
And they also highlight the lies that were told and the over-evaluations,
and he will be held accountable.
As Scott said, it's going to be hard to get around that one.
Well, and they also are claiming that Trump people are saying that, well, a recent decision,
saying that, well, a lot of this stuff happened too long ago and should not be a part of this
whole decision here.
But Scott, one of the things that I want people to understand, and a lot of people don't understand this,
is that when you fill out that loan document, that's a federal document, and you misstate your
income, you misstate your assets, guess what? You can go to jail. Now, a former Texas attorney general,
Democrat, guess what? He went to prison. And so this was somebody who many people talked about
could be a future governor one day. But the reality is he filled out loan applications, misstated income.
That's how they got his ass. He went to prison. And that's how they get a lot of people. So on
every loan document, mortgage application, bank document, because banks are federally regulated,
right? And so at the end, the statement at the end of that application that you sign
is that you swear on the penalty of perjury that the answers to these questions and the
information contained herein is fully accurate and truthful. Sometimes it may qualify to the
best of your knowledge, but very often these bank loan documents don't put that qualifier in there.
And so you're swearing to it. If you lie, right, you can be criminally prosecuted at the federal level for false statements, loan fraud, mortgage fraud, making not just a false statement,
but also conspiracy. If you do it on an ongoing basis,
conspiracy to defraud, conspiracy to make false statements. And if you're inflating
it up to $2.2 billion and they can show it, statute of limitations is five years, right?
But if you add a conspiracy charge that waives that five years, someone, whether it's the feds
or the state prosecutors, ought to be looking at that.
They may have just passed on it because of their discretion.
But here again, you're right, Rebecca, a $2.2 billion overestimation over 10 years on several properties, right?
That's organized crime.
That's a purposeful effort conspiracy to defraud banks. And you know,
this is what he does. He overvalues. Then he fails to pay the money back. And then he negotiates
because the bank has too much exposure. And then they give him a deal and he writes off the rest
and hides it in his taxes and his accountants and what have you. So the criminal piece of this is real.
It may not be prosecuted, but it's real.
So, folks, go to my iPad here.
Again, the person I'm speaking of, former Texas Attorney General Dan Morales.
This is from the Texas Tribune.
It says right here, in one set of charters, Morales is accused of moving $400,000
from his campaign accounts to his personal accounts,
then using the money to buy a $775,000 home.
He's charged with lying on the application for a $600,000 mortgage loan and with signing a federal income tax return that year that said he and his wife
earned less than $40,000 in joint taxable income.
The point here is that these were criminal.
Dan Morales went to prison, y'all.
The reality is this is a civil trial in New York. To Scott's point, they could go after him were criminal. Dan Morales went to prison, y'all. The reality is, this is a civil trial in New York.
To Scott's point, they could go after him for criminal.
They're choosing not to, but his actions are indeed criminal.
Hold tight one second. Guess who's about to have some money problems?
Messing around with Donald Trump. Rudy Giuliani.
Remember them two sisters he lied about in Georgia?
Oh, his punk ass
got hit today.
Oh, yeah.
His broke ass will have to make it rain.
Rebecca's over there talking about,
he got to do this here.
We are talking about Georgia.
And we ain't talking about Magic City, Rudy.
I'll explain when we come back on
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Rudy Giuliani got to pay up, y'all.
That's right.
He may also got to pay millions after a Georgia judge issued a default judgment against him in a defamation suit. Judge Beryl Howell, in a 57-page ruling, ordered Donald Trump's attorney to pay nearly
$133,000 in sanctions to these black women who he kept lying about voter fraud. She admonished
Giuliani's failure to turn over the documents as, quote, willful discovery misconduct.
Fulton County election workers Ruby Freeman and Shea Moss sued Giuliani in December 2021
for saying the pair helped commit supposed election fraud during the 2020 presidential election.
Now, earlier this year at a court filing, he conceded that he knowingly made false statements
against the two women
but argued his comments
were constitutionally protected.
What the hell is that?
The judge said Giuliani has
to pay the fines by September 20th
which will cover Freeman's and
Moss' legal fees incurred
while attempting to obtain financial
documents and information related to Giuliani's Common Sense podcast.
A trial will determine any damages in the case.
And Scott, his was crazy.
In her ruling, she laid out that the jury will get to hear him refusing to turn over documents.
That that could impact, again, the judgment.
Rudy may have to pay these sisters a whole lot of money.
See what happened?
And remember, Donald Trump still owes his ass
three million in legal fees and won't even pay it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, we haven't gotten to the damages phase
yet, but he's paying their legal
fees already, and he's really
handled this case in a very...
Every day, he's
paying the interest.
Right.
Right. You know,
but what I don't like about this case,
and it really
undergirds this whole race, conservative, Republican approach to undermining our democracy in this election,
they did these two sisters because they thought they were expendable.
That white supremacy and white privilege, he saw them as targets.
They were poor, not poor, but they're working class black people just doing their jobs.
They chose those two black women because they thought they were expendable and no one would care about them.
The justice would never they would never get justice in Georgia because they were white men elected of Trump, Republican, MAGA, all of that. And this decision by the court
that is going to continue to be bad for Rudolph Giuliani
is showing us and telling him and Trump and others
that these two black hardworking women
who were part of making democracy real at the state level,
they were not expendable.
You cannot just say these things and do these things.
These people were threatened with violence.
People drove through several states to go to their homes.
They had to leave their homes.
And so this is what real justice looks like for them,
even if it's on the civil side.
They're gonna get justice on the criminal side, too,
because a lot of people are gonna go to jail, I predict.
But this is the real justice for
these two black women and it's appropriate
and it's just good.
It's a good decision and good
results for her and it's going to keep on
giving them good results because
of how they were victimized by
Rudolph Giuliani and the Republicans.
Mustafa, I love Rudy Giuliani's attorney.
This ain't right. Her ruling
was too long.
They literally said, these are normally two to three pages.
This was 57 pages.
This was too long.
Oh, shit.
Mustafa, they literally complained that her ruling was too long.
Oh, no.
I mean, I read it.
So I heard what was going on there.
You know, God don't like ugly.
And, you know, these types of things always end up getting addressed.
You know, those sisters were walking in their purpose and their truth, even though when they were attacked, you know, they were able to stay steadfast. And now folks are going to have to write some big checks
because of all the things that those sisters had to go through and will continue to go through.
So if folks are worrying about a three or four page, you know, set of words that has been shared,
that is nothing in comparison to what these sisters had to go through. So, you know,
if you want to act up, you're going to write a big check to pay for your acting.
The Lincoln Project put out this video here,
which features some of the testimony from these sisters.
Rebecca, I want to play this and get you to comment again.
I mean, Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani
attacked these sisters vehemently.
I mean, they trashed them.
They put their names out there they had to
move they were scared for their life i mean the hell that they went through
for just working in the election was shameful watch this video
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Could have never imagined the events that followed the presidential election 2020.
I've lost my name and I've lost my reputation. I've lost my sense of security,
all because a group of people starting with number 45
and his ally, Rudy Giuliani,
decided to scapegoat me and my daughter Shay,
to push their own lies
about how the presidential election was stolen.
We had at least 18,000 that's on tape.
We had them counted very mistakenly.
18,000 voters having to do with Ruby Freeman.
She's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler.
Around the week of January 6th, the FBI informed me that I needed to leave my home for safety.
I can't believe this person has caused this much damage to me and my family to have to leave my home that I've lived there for 21 years.
The president of the United States is supposed to represent every American.
Not to target one.
But he targeted me, Lady Ruby.
A small business owner, a mother, a proud America citizen who stand up to help Fulton County
run an election in the middle of the pandemic.
Yo, Rebecca, take his ass, take everything.
Look, I don't know what Rudy's going to do. He's either going to go down to Magic City, jump on the stage, shake his moneymaker, get an OnlyFans, cut a deal, and sell a tell-all book.
He's going to have to do something.
Because one thing that we do know, it appears that maybe Mr. Giuliani's money is a little bit tight.
Because didn't we see him go to a bail bondsman to actually post his bail the other week in Fulton County?
So I don't know what that money is looking like for him.
But bottom line, I'm so happy for Ruby.
I'm so happy for Shea.
My understanding is that there's other folks that could go after, including Donald Trump.
I want them to get a million dollars for each tear they shed, because what they went through
just by doing their civic duty was unconscionable.
And to even hear Trump call them professional vote stealers and hustlers,
well, it turns out the professional vote stealer and hustler,
it turns out it was probably Donald Trump in this situation.
Oh, absolutely.
So I want to take everything.
Now, y'all, he already lost a whole bunch of money when his wife divorced his ass.
And so snatch all of it.
All of it.
I hope they hit him with
two, three, four, five, ten million
dollar judgment because what
they did to these black women was
beyond egregious.
Alright, y'all, gotta go to a break. We come back.
Lord, the white folks
at Fox News
are truly out of their damn minds.
These, and not even just them, these white Republicans who are kissing Donald,
who kiss Donald Trump's ass so much that literally their noses are brown.
They are actually saying, oh, Donald Trump gonna get the black vote
because he got a mug shot.
And if you black and you ride with that shit,
you didn't even realize that they are insulting black people.
Man, wait till I play for y'all a couple of videos
when we come back.
Y'all think I'm lying.
These people are crazy.
And if y'all need any reason to vote extra hard,
if Trump was a nominee,
I'm going to show you next on Roland Martin Unfiltered
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You go into a barbershop in a 700 credit score neighborhood,
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You go to a barbershop at a 500 credit score, equal brilliance, but bad culture, they're talking about other people.
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Hi, my name is Brady Ricks.
I'm from Houston, Texas.
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I'm from Dallas, Texas.
Right now I'm rolling with Roland Martin,
unfiltered, uncut. Unplugged.
And undamn believable.
You hear me?
Now I done told y'all
these white Republicans
really believe that black people are going to be voting for Donald Trump.
And let's be clear, it's some black folks out there, black women, more black men, who actually voted for Donald Trump.
So since Fannie Willis walked his ass through that court, excuse me, through the jail, had to turn himself in,
these fools have been out here just, oh, this is going
to guarantee black support. Black people, since he
got a mug shot, black people are going to just be
down with Donald Trump. Okay, so I'm going to play you a series of videos.
So the first video is these
foolish ass people on the 5 on Fox News.
And everyone's talking about it.
Black Americans online, some of them are saying, I'm voting for Trump now.
That's 35.
Because they, too, have sometimes felt they've been unfairly targeted by the criminal justice system.
And you know, in this country, nationally, one or two percent of the black votes swing to the
Republicans. That's the election right there. So the Democrats have overplayed their hand.
They've done something that no one else has ever been able to do. And that's make Trump
a sympathetic character. They've made him a martyr. And I now I want to get arrested because
I definitely need some sympathy. No, you don't, Jesse.
Okay.
Now you got this total idiot Grant Stitchfield.
Remember, that fool was on NRA TV, and then, of course, that got canceled.
I think now he on Newsmax or some other show that nobody watches.
Listen to this absolute asshole.
Blur out his shirt just in the essence of good taste, but listen to this gentleman.
Support President Trump. You want to know why I'm here to support President Trump?
Because it's been black men like this for decades.
Black men have been experiencing these kinds of fake arrests and false arrests over decades.
And whether that's true or not,
it certainly is how many in the black community feel.
And I think this is endearing,
especially many black men, to President Trump.
Okay.
All right.
So there's this group, this Republican Accountability Project,
and they put this video out,
and my man just went hard on these idiots.
Watch this.
White supremacy, that's the problem.
This is a hoax.
I know a lot of cops.
And they get asked all the time.
Have you ever had to shoot your gun?
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I'm Greg Glod.
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
We are back.
In a big way.
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Real people, real perspectives.
This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.
We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
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Maybe gone, but Fox hasn't missed a beat.
And as one black lady I spoke with earlier today here in New Orleans said, Trump's a
gangster.
That's so fucking racist.
Nazi Germany.
But there's more.
The mugshot has breathed new life into the Trump campaign and broadened his appeal to
black Americans.
That's Jesse Waters saying black people have an affinity for criminals.
That's like saying white cops have an affinity for shooting unarmed young black men.
Well, actually, that's true.
Today, my garbage man told me he's buying mugshot T-shirts for everyone he knows this Christmas. That's like saying white cops have an affinity for shooting unarmed young black men. Well, actually, that's true.
Today, my garbage man told me he's buying mugshot T-shirts for everyone he knows this Christmas.
When was the last time you think this motherfucker talked to a garbage man?
You're a moron!
And like most Republicans, he's a whore and a hypocrite.
Single motherhood benefits them, the Democrats.
That's Jesse lecturing us about marriage and single parents.
For the record, this fucking cliche ditched his first wife and the mother of his children for a younger woman at Fox News.
We live in a country of dark contrast,
where one guy speaks for justice,
and one guy will sell us down the road for a porn star and a handful of rubles.
And guess which one is on Fox tonight?
Put down the mic.
Shut the fuck up, Donnie.
Go fuck yourself.
Sexy time.
Yeah!
Yeah, uh, okay, that was really American, I'm sorry, not Republican accountability project.
All right, so here is the extended version of the idiotic comments from an absolute white supremacist, Jesse B. Waters, on Fox News, who is their new golden child.
...puddened his appeal to black Americans.
Over the weekend, with the help of mugshot merchandise, the Trump campaign raked in over
$7 million.
Today, my garbage man told me he's buying mugshot t-shirts for everyone he knows this
Christmas.
The mugshot's up on the side of buildings in the inner city.
The 2016 phenomenon's happening all over again.
Trump won that election because of a laser-like focus
on the forgotten man.
A bond was formed back then that can never be broken.
And there's a new forgotten man, the black man.
Democrats have forgotten about him.
The media and the professional class are so fixated
with smearing and disqualifying one man
that they've forgotten that the Democratic Party should be fixated on fixing problems.
Better wages, better jobs, better schools, better health care.
Democrats have overpromised and underdelivered for black Americans for decades.
All right, enough of his bullshit.
Okay, this is how stupid these people are.
Go to my iPad.
So this idiot Charlie Kirk, and this is what Jesse Waters was talking about.
I told you how they dumb.
He goes, Trump mugshot mural in Atlanta.
The backfire continues.
And so this is the video right here, y'all, because they're claiming, oh, yeah, black folks are riding hard with Donald Trump.
Here's the problem, y'all.
That mural actually says MAGA, my ass got arrested.
That's how stupid they are.
They literally are trying to play this whole game of all black people.
They are cheering Donald Trump.
In fact, this other idiot, Benny Johnson, this fool actually posted a video by saying when the Trump, when his motorcade was taken through black neighborhoods, and I found out when I spent some time in Atlanta,
that wasn't his choice.
The sheriff's office drove his ass through those parts of Atlanta.
This fool, Benny Johnson, put out a video by saying,
see, see, look at this.
They're cheering for Trump.
Black people, after he got arrested, they say it's been unfair to us and so it's unfair to him.
I'm trying to actually find the tweet.
It really was one of the dumbest things I ever seen in my life.
I'm going to find it in a second, but this shows you this shows you
how stupid
they think black men
are, Mustafa.
Now all of a sudden
they care about wrongful
prosecution. Now they care
about the criminal justice system.
Now they care
about black men.
Get your punk asses out of here.
I mean, their whole thing has always been around manipulating and creating false narratives.
And if we don't check them and that's, again, why this network is so important, because somebody else might have just let it slide.
And then it allowed, you know, the lies that they were sharing to continue to grow and take root.
So that's why you got to address it and you know the lies that they were sharing to continue to grow and take root so that's why you gotta address it and you gotta pull it out and you know and the pimping of our
communities is something that they have been doing for for such a long time um and trying to
whisper in our ears you know that this crazy stuff that a few folks will fall for. So you can't pimp our communities anymore. You
can't you can't get over on us and you can't have these false narratives that, you know,
we see right through it. You know, most folks understand what's really going on and we call
it out and we check it. So, you know, Fox is going to be Fox. It is just laughable.
And they're sitting here, Scott,
trying to circulate these different videos of one or two black men saying,
that's right, we're standing here,
we're voting for Trump.
Then they show that fool who had the N-word
for Trump shirt out there.
And I'm sitting there going,
did he even have teeth?
I mean, that's literally what these fools are doing.
And if you are a black man who's even thinking about voting for Trump, you stupid as hell.
Who is the most unqualified group of people in the country to talk about black people?
What's the group?
White America.
White conservatives. They could give a damn less about black people. The Democrats have the black vote. Republicans are such hypocrites. The
Republicans don't have anything to offer black people, let alone black men. And their hypocrisy or their failure is they really do believe that all black people are poor and disenfranchised.
The least, the lost, the left out.
We've all got records because that's what they've been told.
That's what they observe in the media.
And so they don't see black people like you and me and your other guests.
I don't have a criminal record. I'm not
moved by a mugshot. I'm a super voter. I've been voting since I was 18 years old. And yet this
rhetoric. And by the way, since when did the Republicans and conservatives care about the
criminal justice system? Now they care about it because they think the criminal,
their own criminal,
now can identify with black people?
I think not.
It reminds me, Marjorie,
Marjorie, what's the woman's name?
Conservative from Georgia.
Marjorie Taylor.
Taylor Greene.
She and some of her conservative members
went and protested outside the D.C. jail to protest
the conditions of the January 6th insurrectionists and how they've been treated and jail conditions.
And my first reaction to that publicly was, welcome to the struggle, Marjorie.
Now you care about prison conditions because white people are in prison.
But black people have been oppressed in prisons for decades,
for hundreds of years.
So welcome to the struggle.
It is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever
seen in my life. And it
lacks reality or
basis for it. It just
does. And so I don't think we should
even be talking about this so easily.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But I think we need to move on from this. No, no, no. I know it's a show and everything, but I think we need to move on from this.
No, no, no.
Why not?
Why not?
This is bullshit.
No, Scott.
No, Scott.
I'm trying to explain to you.
That's the mistake.
See, Rebecca, again,
it's understanding the game.
It's understanding what they're doing.
And the mistake that some black folks have made and Democrats have made is that if you don't call out the hypocrisy, if you don't call out the BS, what happens is then mainstream media picks these things up and all of a sudden it becomes a thing. Look how the story, look what happened when black people did not address black men not
voting for Stacey Abrams. That thing metastasized and you begin to see stories all over the place.
And when the data came out, it was an absolute lie. It is a, I have, as somebody who's been in the media since I was 14 years old, I have never said,
let a lie stand.
You must attack it.
You must obliterate it.
And you must show the people who they are.
Here's a perfect example.
This white conservative, Benny Johnson, has 1.8 Twitter followers.
This is what happened.
He put this out and all people ran with it.
And again, they all run with it that mural
They've been running that Oh
This the mural in Atlanta see they down with Trump they cut off my MAGA at MAGA my ass got arrested
So this is Benny Johnson Donald Trump driving through the urban poor neighborhoods of Atlanta after his arrest in mugshot
What happens next will shock you.
Trump gives people hope.
Lives want this video deleted.
The media want it censored.
You know what to do.
Okay, so watch this here.
So I want you to play.
Okay, turn the audio up.
So I want y'all to listen.
Now, first of all, anybody who wants to listen to it,
I'm going to break it down for you,
but I'm going to show you the game they're doing.
Watch.
Y'all see it, man.
Which one are you in, though? I'm talking about they got everybody
Look at that
All right, so all of these Republicans who look at that they cheering for Trump first of all
They also cheering his ass got a diet
Okay, that's what they doing Rebecca. But. But the thing here is, this is how they spin it.
So what they do, this is the game.
They run this video on social.
All the conservative folk begin to recirculate it.
It then goes on the radio shows, the digital sites, Fox News.
And now they create this whole thing.
Ooh, look at the black folks supporting Donald Trump.
When?
We know that's a lie.
And again, I was told point blank, Trump didn't drive through the hood when he was going back to the airport.
They drove his ass through the hood.
I was told that point blank.
Okay. I was told that point blank. OK, but again, you have to call this out because if you allow it to even gain a small foothold, it can actually take off from there.
Rebecca. So, first of all, only black men can talk about the experience of what it means to be a black man in this country.
Full stop. Only black men can talk about issues that impact black men
with full authenticity. Full stop. No one else. Even as a black woman, I can't speak on behalf
of black men. I can't tell black men what their experience as black men is in this country or
even in this world. So for white people to have the audacity and for these particular white people
to have the audacity to think that they could talk for and behalf and authentically about black men is purely ridiculous.
I can't even do that as a black woman and I am black. So, you know, that's the first part.
The second thing, just like what you're mentioning, Roland, it is very important to stump out these
false narratives because what we're seeing in advance of 2024 is once again for a division between black men and black women around the election with who's supporting Trump, who's not supporting Trump.
And what I do understand from talking to different people, that division and that divide that was promoted during Stacey Abrams, the first time she ran for governor and the second time she ran for governor, simply is not the case.
There is, you know, overall percentage of black people, both men and women who have voted for Trump.
And yes, there have been some black men who've outpaced black women with voting or supporting Trump.
But at the same time, it is not this large mass of black folks who are supporting
Trump or the MAGA ideology.
I'm telling y'all, the mistake is to ignore when these things happen, because again, I
know the game, the propaganda game they play.
And guess what?
And I'm going to say this, Scott, and this is why I'm telling you you're wrong.
Senator Kamala Harris made a huge mistake
when she ignored the tax on her record as DA and Attorney General.
She allowed them to metastasize for six months.
So from the time that she announced to July, guess what? It became baked in.
I can show you numerous other examples of what happens when people let things run amok and never address it.
No, the response has to be you crush it and you call it out the moment it rears its head so it doesn't gain a foothold.
That's what you have to do.
I got to play this here, y'all. Peter Navarro, who was a Republican, of course, worked for Trump, another
one of these lying fools. Of course, he's facing contempt charges. He had a news conference outside
and this white woman was holding a poster and it was just too great because he tried to snatch it
from her. And she's like, nah, that ain't going to happen. I just got to play the video because I just frankly find it to be hilarious as hell.
Watch.
Yes, okay.
So here's the problem here.
Where's the CNN?
CNN here?
Is CNN here?
Anybody want to own up to that?
Here's the problem.
Hero.
Who's this?
Come on.
Bro, you're already facing charges.
Yeah, I get it.
Go ahead and commit a crime.
So.
I've been sitting here this whole time.
Situational.
Yes, okay.
Why?
Right.
Situational.
Yes, okay.
Why?
I'm sorry.
I just think that's awesome.
I just think.
Mustafa, I just think that's. She's like think, Mustafa, I just think that's,
she like, oh hell no, you're the face of charges.
It's like, you gonna talk, I'm gonna talk
right behind your ass.
She's like, you done caught a charge, you wanna get
another one.
That was something else. I'm just saying,
I like it. Alright, y'all.
I gotta go to the break.
We gonna come back, quick conversation.
We gonna talk about AI
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And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. A lot of conversations about artificial intelligence, its impact, and how it's changing the world,
but it does have some significant problems.
Joining us right now is intellectual property attorney Sean Pullum.
He joins us from Dallas. Sean, glad to have you here. Great shirt. Scott won't like it, but he'll get over it. But
I'm sure Mustafa does. Alpha's always ruining everything. So here's the whole deal right here
that we're seeing this now with music and Hollywood, the SAG-AFTRA strike that's going on. And everyone is talking about, again, how these
studios, how they want to use AI and control the image and likeness of people in perpetuity.
That's correct. I mean, AI in and of itself is a good tool. It can be used, however, for good or bad, just based on how people
are aware of what it's capable of or not. And so the studios, they're using generative AIs to to bypass the writer's strike. You can do deep fakes and be able to modify images,
replicate voices,
so that you could definitely use
an actor's image and likeness
well beyond their death.
And possibly, yes, in perpetuity.
And that raises a lot of legal concerns in the copyright, trademark, and legal space,
especially not just in intellectual property, but also even in the criminal law space.
There's aspects of it there.
So when you talk about dangers, what do you see as the top of the top
two dangers of AI? So the top two dangers of AI, one is bias. Bias happens either in the programming
or the training data that is used to create artificial intelligence systems. And when we say bias, it's a slant. So the data that the AI is trained on
could be historically slanted against a race, a culture.
For example, people of color being subject
to more traffic stops and more police interactions.
When that AI is fed that type of data and it's trying to
determine who should it release on bail or not, it's going to look at people of color differently
than it will others. The other one would be job displacement. We're going to have some economic
impacts that we've got to be ready for. And that's part of what you opened the question with,
of just being aware in the entertainment spaces,
but not just in entertainment.
As AIs take over some of the more,
how would we say,
the more task-related jobs that can be repeated very quickly and can be automated, you'll find then who's going to do that work?
Where are those jobs going to go?
In fact, the World Economic Forum said that by 2025, there's going to be a displacement of nearly 85 million jobs worldwide. And however, now there could be close to 97 million jobs
also created, but they're gonna be in a different space.
And those are the things that we have to be aware of
and be prepared for.
Questions from the panel, Mustafa, you first.
Fred, I appreciate all the work
that you're doing in this space.
You had mentioned about the data and that playing a significant role in the evolution and growth of AI, and it could go either direction.
The question becomes, how do we better prepare our folks with the education that's going to be necessary to be able to navigate this new world
that AI will play a significant role in? That is a great question, and it amounts to making people
aware of what's going on, getting them involved in the conversations, making them involved in
not just the technical conversations that are going to go on, but the political ones,
because we're going to have to elect the next sets of leaders that are going to decide
the policy, the regulations, the rules that will follow all around this. And so making sure that
our people are aware and educated and on top of this and at the forefront of it, because as I'm sure you all
know, technology tends to lead lawmaking by years, if not decades. And so we need to try and get in
front of this and we need to be at the table as we try and get in front of it. Rebecca. Thanks for joining us tonight. Last
month, President Biden signed an executive order directing the executive agencies to root out
bias in the design and use of new technologies, including AI. Do you think that move by the White
House is enough to help either start
the conversation or actually do something meaningful in rooting out biases in AI?
I think it's enough to start the conversation. I don't know if it's going to be enough to do
something meaningful. We can start task forces. We can start all sorts of things. And we may or may not create change if we're not fully aware of what's going on.
It depends on how much information you can really get to those task forces.
It depends on how much of the underlying data that the developers of these artificial intelligence models is willing
to share. It depends on how much they might be, you know, by rules or regulations, ultimately
forced to share as to how the data is being used and how, where the historical data came from,
how the model is being trained, because you're going to get into a fight between those trying to understand and
regulate and those who created it and said, that's a trade secret. That's, you know, if I tell you
everything about my data, now I've lost my secret sauce. Scott? Really appreciate the discussion,
but you said there were some good things about AI.
Can you discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly with AI, and when and how should we regulate it as a country?
Well, the good, it creates efficiencies.
It allows us to do things more efficiently, more effectively, more quickly.
And that's where jobs can become impacted to be eliminated.
But the jobs that are created, data scientists, people who create these models, people who train these models, that's going to be a whole new industry.
And it's going to be a much higher paying industry than the jobs that are
lost. But we have to be aware and be on top of it to be educated in those fields so that as these
jobs become available, we're stepping into those roles. The bad, it can be used, as I said, for
good, but it can be used for bad. There are criminal elements that can exploit these
same tools and they can exploit them to copy parts of, literally in three seconds, I could
capture enough of your voice that I could then duplicate it and create a recording to say whatever I wanted to say. So what if I
then call, you know, your spouse and say, hey, I was applying for something. Can you pull my
social security number out of the drawer and then hand me, you know, give me that number?
Or having an AI capture the voice of a child and have that call that child's parents and say,
I'm being kidnapped. If you send a ransom to this location, they'll let me go.
And there's no way in the real-time moment without that parent going and actually doing a verification on that child's whereabouts location outside of that phone call to know is that real or not.
So that's the good, that's the bad.
The ugly is that the technology is still already, this is stuff that's already out here.
It's already available. It's going to get ahead of us
more so if we don't step in near immediately and start the regulation process and start the review
process and start getting people involved in the conversation. All right. Well, we're going to keep
certainly doing that. Sean Pullum, we certainly appreciate you joining us. And it is here. People keep saying it's the future. No, it's actually now.
It is right now. Thank you all for having me. I appreciate it.
Thanks a bunch. Folks, that is it for us. Let me thank Scott. Let me thank Rebecca.
Let me thank Mustafa as well. You know, I was we were sitting here talking about somebody
we were talking about before we went to the break
and we were
showing that wonderful video
of that fool Pia Navarro
trying to snatch the sign.
You know what? I just thought it was just too lovely.
I got to see it again. Roll it.
So,
here's the problem here.
Where's the CNN?
CNN here?
Is CNN here?
Anybody want to own up to that?
Here's the problem.
Hero.
Who's this?
Come on.
Bro, you're already facing charges.
Yeah, I get it.
Go ahead and commit a crime.
So.
I've been sitting here this whole time.
Situational.
Yes, okay.
Why?
I'm sorry. Scott, you're Yes, okay. I'm sorry.
Scott, you're already facing charges.
You didn't leave him alone, man.
You ran that video twice.
Get out of here, man.
Bring us home.
You know what? You're absolutely right.
Run that shit.
Oh, damn it!
So, here's the problem here.
Where's the CNN? CNN here?
Is CNN here?
Anybody want to own up to that?
Here's the problem.
Hero!
Who's this?
Come on.
Bro, you're already facing charges.
Yeah, I get it.
Go ahead and commit a crime.
So, um...
I've been sitting here this whole time.
Situational. Yes, okay've been here this whole time. Situational awareness.
Yes, okay.
She got the shades on.
It's like,
you're already facing charges.
I've been here the whole time.
You should have situational awareness.
I'm sorry.
I just had to play it again.
Why?
Because Scott complained.
All right.
Mustafa, Rebecca, Scott,
I appreciate it. Thanks for
joining us on today's show.
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Hey, Black, I love y'all.
All momentum we have now, we have to keep this going.
The video looks phenomenal.
See, there's a difference between Black Star Network and Black-owned media and something like CNN.
You can't be Black-owned media and be scared.
It's time to be smart.
Bring your eyeballs home.
You dig? I know a lot of cops.
They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?
Sometimes the answer is yes.
But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
This is Absolute Season 1.
Taser Incorporated.
I get right back there and it's bad.
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Taser Incorporated.
On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Clayton English.
I'm Greg Glott. And this is season
two of the War on Drugs podcast.
Last year, a lot of the problems of the
drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest
names in music and
sports. This kind of star-studded
a little bit, man. We met them at their
homes. We met them at their recording studios.
Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.
It makes it real.
It really does.
It makes it real.
Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
We asked parents who adopted teens to share their journey.
We just kind of knew from the beginning that we were family.
They showcased a sense of love that I never had before.
I mean, he's not only my parent, like, he's like my best friend.
At the end of the day, it's all been worth it.
I wouldn't change a thing about our lives.
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the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council.
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